what a great service to the 3D printing community! Thanks Thomas!
@LegoJamTrain567
7 жыл бұрын
This is a prime example of a testing series. Repetitive testing and analysis of each filament at a time. This summary is how it should be a comparison at the end. Well done on a great series of videos. Looking forward to season 2
@alexandrevaliquette1941
6 жыл бұрын
Just WOW! I'm a scientist and I'm very impress with your results and especially your methodology!!! It's true that 'ideally' you would have repeat each tests multiple times to get the error value, etc. You chose to invest your ressources on a broader range of fillaments and that was very smart. Thank you very much for sharing, it will help me making decisions as a newbe in this 3D adventure!
@moots27
7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate all the hard work you put into this experiment to provide all this information for the community. Keep up the great videos!
@YOURMOMxo69xo
7 жыл бұрын
Thomas, I can't tell you what finding this channel has done for my 3d printing game, and the filaween series is just a demonstration of the resource you've created for professionals and enthusiasts. Thanks a bunch, keep it up! Also you should try Made solid's PET+ material. Im curious to see how it stands up to PETG and nylon.
@thebeststooge
7 жыл бұрын
PETG the turd of the printing world if you have any overhangs. Like Mr. Rhythm's advice from D.C. Cab...That which makes you may also break you...meaning the same thing that makes strong parts for PETG is the same thing that makes bridges and overhangs a bitch to print. I never pulled it off to my satisfaction.
@YOURMOMxo69xo
7 жыл бұрын
Thats why your slicer is capable of printing support material. Also PET+ prints overhags much better than PETG. It's also much less brittle.
@craptacularflea
7 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, I caught the reference.
@tomsmith3045
4 жыл бұрын
This is *great*. You've saved myself and I'm sure lots of others quite a bit of time in choosing appropriate materials for 3d printing. Thank you.
@cica322
7 жыл бұрын
Given that the composite PLAs weren't as strong, you should probably include a strength to weight ration on these filaments. It might be a good trade-off if a given material is significantly lighter.
@KungFuClimber
7 жыл бұрын
A standard procedure along with a set of test calibration prints would make an awesome series. How to find the optimal print temp, Print speed, fan setting, etc for your filament. We all have our own way of doing this but if you came up with standard procedure that would make an awesome resource. For example (and this is just an example) always calibrate the nozzle temp first. Print Test print #1 and compare it to the reference image. Increase / decrease temp until Feature X of the print is exactly as in the image, ignore all other features of the print. Next calibrate extrusion rate, and so on. Such a standard procedure might also help guide the info manufacturers put on their filament. As always, great stuff Tom.
@markustube
7 жыл бұрын
Your overall impressions after all that detailed testing are really helpful. Thanks for this and all the other great content you provide!
@chrisjericho7123
7 жыл бұрын
props ( propers) to Tom for this testing. The man hours involved alone boggle the mind.
@clintfisher
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great videos Thomas! You've saved me lots of grief and given me lots of inspiration. A business idea for you: Charge a reasonable fee to filament manufacturers to empirically dial-in their filaments - for the benefit of their customers, and any product review results that folks might conduct on their materials. ...And then add videos of the calibration process and highlights to your filaween video library! Also, I'd love to hear talk of various deterministic calibration prints, such as temperature towers, that indicate, by reading the print, the ideal print parameter value. Perhaps you could inspire more people to create such models. In any case, keep up the great work!
@bilalakyuz9866
7 жыл бұрын
Clint Fisher nice idea
@atomicfilament5825
7 жыл бұрын
Dialing in filament is much more complex than just a few settings and a sticker on the spool, think about all the hardware variance with different printers on the market. Some settings that work well for a chunk of printers will be awful on another group of hardware.
@woopdeedoodaa
7 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see the difference a properly tuned printing profile would make to the results, maybe even just for the top 1 or 2 strong materials that printed badly and for the ones that printed well but weren't strong. Having a standard process for finding the best settings for each new filament would be great.
@MakeKasprzak
7 жыл бұрын
This series was great. Extremely helpful for learning about plastics.
@Greg-J
6 жыл бұрын
Tom, you really are the 3d printer guru. It's frustrating that you have to respond to my inquiries, but I appreciate your work nonetheless. Keep it up!
@Psysium
7 жыл бұрын
You do KZitem right. Thanks for the rigorous testing and professional opinion. I always look forward to your uploads, even though I've never even used a 3D printer. I'm sure the next season of Filaween will be fantastic. :)
@JandCanO
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for conducting and recording these tests, they are an extremely valuable resource for all of us trying to get started with 3D printing. I still wish you tested Hatchbox PETG. It is my favorite material to print with. It is stronger than ABS, and as easy to print as PLA. In fact, I exclusively use Hatchbox filament, and have had little to no troubles. They make ABS, PLA, and others.
@valhar2000
6 жыл бұрын
Did you have problems with "stringing" when you used PETG? I made a few prints and, while the parts came out well and strong, they made a huge mess; there were flecks and strands of plastic everywhere!
@drewpickard554
7 жыл бұрын
Super happy your going to do a second season.While filaween wasn't the most scientific testing of these filaments, It did give me a really good guide for the various materials. I think the only gripe I had(and its understandable) was some of those filaments were not available here in the us. I would really like to see some of these super dirt cheap filaments that are popping up everywhere. I've been pretty impressed by some of them.
@etiennekestelyn582
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Thomas. Your experience is greatly apreciated :)
@tcurdt
7 жыл бұрын
Stiffness/flex of materials is what I found missing most from Filaween.
@tcurdt
7 жыл бұрын
It's available in the details - but not in the search that is.
@Ktmfly3r
7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Sanladerer Wow, love the website, did just happen to notice the mobile version has some half on, half off screen text when browsing filament
@MadeWithLayers
7 жыл бұрын
It's not my site, so I have only limited influence on design and functionality.
@tcurdt
7 жыл бұрын
Ooooh, I thought it was! I guess I better stick to your Google Doc then. Seems the site is out of date anyway. Urgh!
@Liberty4Ever
7 жыл бұрын
I've greatly enjoyed many of your videos but this one finally pushed me over the edge and sent me to Patreon. We need more of this sort of testing and public data to push the bounds of 3D printing. Thank you very much for all you do.
@georgecorsautiii1744
7 жыл бұрын
You rock tom, keep it up. Thanks to you I have found a new hobby that I enjoy and find really rewarding.
@MrAmrasElensar
7 жыл бұрын
can't wait for season 2, I've bought a few filaments based on you finding. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
@halcyonmje
7 жыл бұрын
the data is great, and even though it's not exhaustive, it's certainly indicative.
@ManWithBeard1990
7 жыл бұрын
As for colours the guys at a FabLab close to where I live (they have ten FDM printers running almost non-stop; they go through a lot of filament) have told me they noticed that white filament tends to clog more often than the other colours. It may just be a coincidence but it may also be that the stuff that they add to make it white, rather than transparent, can bunch up inside the nozzles.
@OleksandrDiedov
7 жыл бұрын
Love you content - 100% quality, 100% fun, 147% professional (lold)! Wish you more subs!
@C3DPropShop
7 жыл бұрын
Great work Tom. You have been one of my 3D Printing Gods since I got into this hobby.!
@Mannedavid
7 жыл бұрын
I loved the #Filaween series! I'm already hyped for #Filaween 2.0
@pr0xZen
3 жыл бұрын
With woodfill filament, I always think of it as if it was super thin layer plywood, but "done wrong" with every ply's grain aligned in parallel. And think of any kind of load, regardless of orientation, as perpendicular to the grain.
@CharlesReiche
7 жыл бұрын
This was a GREAT series. Thank you so much for doing it. A TON of work!
@Tomas-ir8xl
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing how good RigidInk regular PLA is. The most beautiful prints I've ever done were made with it :)
@kzinty
7 жыл бұрын
This is very useful information Thomas thank-you. In 2.0 how about a creep test. Make a double eye sample like your square moment testing sample and hang a weight on it for an X period of time in hours and measure it for stretch and visual deformation let it relax for X hours and measure again for elasticity. Hopefully your lab is reasonably temperature controlled.
@jonastaras2970
5 жыл бұрын
This, has been the most informative filament youtube yet. Thanks!!
@zagmongor
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, another aspect of materials I am looking into are the frictional characteristics. Say if you were to print a bushing out of every material, how well would this slide along a steel rod or against other printed materials. What are the wear characteristics etc. This may be a bit more focused than you are doing but would provide people with more information on the type of material to use for various parts. Also you may do a flexibility test, say printing a spring or something similar and seeing how much a material can deform or how much energy it can absorb. Along with this would be position return ability. Does a material return to its original position after being deformed or does the non elastic behavior cause it to return to various states. I have only ever printed in abs and pla and would love to try out other materials but cannot go and spend a couple hundred dollars and a few weeks printing and testing them all. Love what you are doing though.
@ojtechml
7 жыл бұрын
Could you do hardness tests? Maybe try annealing some filaments too?
@crossthreadaeroindustries8554
7 жыл бұрын
Really excellent job - that was a lot of organization and work. Very helpful. The only printer I have access to is a Makerbot, that is under a maintenance contract with the educational institution I work for, right now. Under the contract, you can only use MBot PLA material. I haven't been able to experiment with other materials, but sometimes not having a choice is a good thing, limits your decision time and costs. But, it was interesting to hear that PLA's are consistent and pretty good, at that.
@VolksTrieb
7 жыл бұрын
way better than all the other fileweenvids. thank you tom ;)
@TheEvilVargon
7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see impact testing in the next series of filaween
@PurchenZuPoden
7 жыл бұрын
I am using the spoolworks silver PLA with shiny metal glitter. It is very easy to print, not brittle, extremly tough and the layers melt together really well. I can only recommend you to test this PLA. I was using esun PLA before and was quite disappointed about the mechanical properties. The spoolworks feels like a completely different Material. I also have a spoolworks Edge spool but I do not use it because the mechanical strength of their PLA is more than enough and it is way easier to print.
@nilskrumnack8699
7 жыл бұрын
One suggestion if you are redesigning the strength/bend tests: Hang a bucket on it and add weight to the bucket until the part breaks, recording the elongation at defined weights. That should be consistent and reproducible. Can be done either vertically or horizontally (with rope and pulley). If done horizontally you could maybe even combine it with the hot water test (in one form or another).
@smokeydops
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing these tests. I am excited to see more.
@mversantvoort
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video (as well as the other separate filament videos), hoping to see more filament tests soon!
@grizfyrfyter
7 жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest Atomic but I see it's there. This is one I'm interested in a lot. It's a US based company (as am i) and uses virgin materials. Thank KS again for all your work and I always look forward to your videos.
@1604max1979
7 жыл бұрын
It was a great series!! You are doing a phenomenal job! Keep doing it! THANKyou!
@kevin_delaney
7 жыл бұрын
You should add a Compression test. Especially regarding filaments that contain fiber, carbon fiber for example. Carbon Fiber has good overall strength by weight, I would be curious about the force required to compress until failure (or unusable shape deformation) specifically for Engineering materials. Hopefully that is general enough to test simply.
@ErosNicolau
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Thomas, for all this!
@helicrashpro
7 жыл бұрын
I agree that PETG is tough but tends to shatter. I think the impact resistance is very poor with PETG. If you just grab a part and slowly try to break it you will find that it will flex and stretch quite a bit and is really hard to break but if you take a part and quickly try to bend it, it will often just snap without bending much at all. I tried using it for some quadcopter parts but found really quick that on impact, it's not any better than PLA.
@Zeis
6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a review on Graphene-infused filaments, like from BlackMagic 3D. When it comes to filament reviews, I fully understand why you did them the way you did in this season, but for the next season I'd really like to see the best possible side and techniques for each filament - that would be a lot more helpful to me than seeing what the supplier recommends. Stuff like how it performs in an enclosure, best heat settings, speeds and so on. Anything to get the most out of the filament, because that's ultimately what makes me decide on a filament.
@Defeshh
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this series, you are a top lad.
@LazerLord10
7 жыл бұрын
Wow, I always thought that ABS was stringer than PLA. Seems strange.
@123bookra
7 жыл бұрын
yea me too . thats was all says......
@PAXthe4Th
7 жыл бұрын
LazerLord10 Its not the whole story Pla shatters if you bend it and Its not as heat resistant
@thebeststooge
7 жыл бұрын
My PLA parts on my i3 actually smoothed themselves over time so suddenly my Z LM8UU bearings can easily fall out whereas ABS never did that. You would think I had taken 800 grit sandpaper to the inside of the parts. I will never print PLA parts again due this and those parts never ever get above ambient temps.
@andljoy
7 жыл бұрын
It is , if its printed properly in at least a enclosed chamber. Its all about layer strength, abs layer streanth is pathetic if not in at least a chamber.
@hughsgarbagetrucks
3 жыл бұрын
ABS = lego
@gaellafond6367
7 жыл бұрын
The price of yellow filaments will increase :D
@mindsofgreatness
4 жыл бұрын
Great content Thomas, appreciate you giving us the breakdown. Tested some filament that came w/ my new printer and it broke and clogged the extruder, tubing and nozzle. Whoopieee, now I need to wait to get a spanner and cleaning tools to fix this.
@321tennisplayer
7 жыл бұрын
Great videos. Would like to see test between PLA filaments that do not warp in higher temps.
@MostlyInteresting
7 жыл бұрын
You are dam funny. That tongue in cheek sense of humor. :)
@alanberickson
6 жыл бұрын
The clear (potentially) being stronger is interesting. Kind of makes sense since you don't have the pigment in the matrix. Would be interesting to do a little more investigation into to whether clear is actually stronger or not.
@steveallen8987
7 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to a video about tuning print settings to optimise a material Steve
@ETphonehomek
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve
@aaronmit6584
5 жыл бұрын
PLA-PHA are my go to. They print great and are super strong.
@JAMESKNOWSGAMES
7 жыл бұрын
awesome recap. These comparisons are so valuable:)
@TheTrueOSSS
4 жыл бұрын
Selling yourself short with the "not scientific" While your margin for error is quite large with one sample set, the data you generated is still valuable for testing and formulating new hypotheses.
@akshayd211
4 жыл бұрын
Some of the metrics he uses are completely vague. What is the metric for overall quality? Completely non-scientific.
@baselsalam
7 жыл бұрын
HobbyKing Copper composite (PLA). It prints very nicely at 200F, and oozes out more easily than their regular PLA, so I wonder if it has real copper or something metallic in it. It looks eeringly like copper.
@KungFuClimber
7 жыл бұрын
Very nice wrap up on this series!
@neilw2O
4 жыл бұрын
Thomas! You being the filament expert, I am trying to find a filament 1: that is clear and can be used as a light pipe, and 2: that can be cut by a hot blade at about 140°C. Thanks. Neil
@neilw2O
4 жыл бұрын
@@VertexDigitalArts Thanks for the reply Thomas. Polycarbonate needs way more than 140°C to melt. Meets need #1 but not #2.
@NathanielFenris
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the series. I have found it both entertaining and a workable guide for materials. I just found out that you were possibly adding test to the next series and wanted to ask if it would be too difficult to include a compression test. I am not sure I know the exact parameters but I work in theatre and have parts that will be stood or rolled on and having an idea when the average pla will shatter under load will eliminate a lot of trial and error. also exploding plastic might make for exciting videos.
@Chris7uk00
4 жыл бұрын
The cheaper filaments I've had good results from have been AMZ3D and eSun pla+, The later having really good tolerance arcoss the whole reel and giving really strong uniformed prints, I've just about finished the whole reel of black and it's been great....Have I been lucky?, Don't touch Anycubic filaments they are worst I've tried the tolerance arcoss the whole reel is all over the place and this was on three different reels black, red and blue also kept getting nozzle blockages, It's just not worth the time and effort to keep getting failed prints. Nice to see some decent info about filaments Thomas keep up the great video's. :-)
@Dramaican88
7 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you call out the bullsht heat resistance Voltivo claims for their EVO filament (modified PLA) on the next season of Filaween. Anyway filaween 1.0 was great and I think 2.0 will be even better. Keep it up.
@bmhs90100
6 жыл бұрын
Great video.. Nice to be learning this before my ordered Prusa arrives.
@annashvachich8735
5 жыл бұрын
Could you test a few different colors of a given filament. It would be nice to see how color actually effects given material. PLA, ABS, PC, Nylon
@bikesair
6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the PushPlastic PC+PBT filament tested!
@spikekent
7 жыл бұрын
#Filaween 1.0 was a great series, full of essential info. Looking forward to #Filaween 2.0
@jullit31
7 жыл бұрын
You might want to try the Material4Print PLA. I've tried the black, white and silver variants, which are rather ductile (for PLA).
@David-uk3nv
7 жыл бұрын
I love Filaween. Thank you Tom!
@aaronmit6584
6 жыл бұрын
I have found PLA/PHA to be very strong (meltink's brand), but print quality suffers a bit compared to standard PLA. PHA blends tend to be less brittle than standard PLA.
@jmisc
4 жыл бұрын
The color does impact the chemistry.
@Leviani
7 жыл бұрын
For the next test, maybe take a look at the CF20 XT Copolyester from Colorfabb, I really like the finish and the strength of this Carbon fibre Copolyester :)
@garylab7934
7 жыл бұрын
Love your channel Tom. I would love to see a test on POM filament. I'm currently trying out HobbyKing POM filament and it looks promising, apart from getting it to stick to the bed.
@winstonsmith478
7 жыл бұрын
What was the sample size (how many different brands) of CLEAR filaments were used in the strength test. Unlike the one brand yellow skew of the test, if there were a reasonable number of samples, it looks like clear is the... clear... winner for strength.
@cdl1701
7 жыл бұрын
For season 2 you should add in some metal fill material.
@madhunugg
7 жыл бұрын
hey Tom, can you make a video on Marlin's linear advance feature?
@howjwattan3146
4 жыл бұрын
Good information, thanks for sharing.Suggest to make a table for easy reference.
@zzing
7 жыл бұрын
PMMA and PEI are both available in filaments
@michaelo2l
7 жыл бұрын
PETG "Real Filament" from Holland, it's my daily driver, I would love to see how it compares... Love this series, keep it up ;)
@ivanstroganov5458
7 жыл бұрын
please test the various hobbyking filaments. these are often the cheapest to get internationally. I'd like to know how bad or good they perform.
@martinkemp3832
7 жыл бұрын
There was a great explanation of the limitations of PET and reasoning for PETG which I think was from you, but any idea which of your videos it is in?
@roxx0rz
4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see how REAL filament performs. I had some horrible experiences with their matte stuff, and their normal filament seems mediocre.. eSUN is my go-to filament, but I'm sure there are people with different experiences.
@ostrichbean
7 жыл бұрын
I have been very unimpressed with PETG. I have tried TechnologyOutlet PETG and E3D Edge and although they may be strong, in my extremely scientific 'throwing a part at the floor test' both cracked and shattered more than even PLA. ABS fared much better.
@RJMaker
7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Job, Loved this series!!
@us3rnam3144
7 жыл бұрын
would really like a sanding test, pla is a pain to sand but abs is a breeze
@MadeWithLayers
7 жыл бұрын
+Thyshallsmite try wet sanding, helps a ton with PLA!
@joeynuggetz
7 жыл бұрын
Manufacturers should include speed suggestions too.
@DanielStinebaugh
7 жыл бұрын
Would love to see your opinion's on 3dfuel's composites (PLA based) as I'm loving the quality of the end results, even if I have had some clogging issues at 0.4mm with the entwined, I've yet to try any of their others. As always, great video, and thanks for sharing!
@android4cg
7 жыл бұрын
great! would like to see more of this tests with commonly available filament brands like colorfabb, formfutura, protopasta, verbatim, esun. Tests of exotic brands is not much useful.
@asmi06
7 жыл бұрын
Please include testing temperature resistance of filaments you will be testing. Just pour some hot water on them to see if they withstand that (maybe even several different temperatures like 50°, 75° and boiling 100°). This property may be very important for many different use cases.
@MadeWithLayers
7 жыл бұрын
+asmi06 I've already been doing the boiling water thing with each filament.
@asmi06
7 жыл бұрын
Yea, sorry, I've confused your tests with somebody else's.
@briandoesathing3478
7 жыл бұрын
I really like this! but I'm disappointed with the spreadsheet. All of the filaments im interested in have broken Weighted Strength Rating columns. Nor can we sort by column, or copy the spreadsheet to make it column sortable. Thanks for all your hard work though!
@j4nch
4 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to have PETG on this too. :)
@extremewirehead
7 жыл бұрын
The start of that video had music that reminded me of the X files, hahaha cheers!
@cybershell8934
7 жыл бұрын
Thomas can you test some support materials or make a guide what support can used for wich Filament (PLA, PETG, ABS...)? Do you know a support for Das Filament PETG?
@robinevans4402
7 жыл бұрын
E3D Edge Please, Would love to know how different it is to standard PETG's :)
@mhelvens
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent series! Keep it up! PS: Yes, attempting to rise to the standards of scientific rigor may sound daunting. But don't sell yourself short. You have the right attitude. Nothing you put out there will be unscientific as long as you are clear about your setup and protocol, and honest about your uncertainty. Most important will be to make it possible for others to replicate your results. And I recommend you aim for that next season. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Not using the proper SI units is not a deal-breaker. The fact that every printer (hotend) is different is not a deal-breaker. Just be clear about what you used.
@AcrimoniousMirth
7 жыл бұрын
Michiel Helvensteijn hell, totally agree! He should make it possible to print off the exact same models and upload results. So you can "crowd source" info and get a lot more data points. So if someone happens to have a bit of the same material (or possibly even new ones) they could just do that. Bit of an undertaking but may be very much worth it.
@mhelvens
7 жыл бұрын
Acrimonious Mirth: I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to scare him off too soon. ;-)
@mhelvens
7 жыл бұрын
+Acrimonious Mirth: By the way, your comment is one of those that doesn't show up for me on the KZitem page itself, but does show up in my Chrome notifications plugin (which I think is based on Google+). I'm trying to figure out what's up with that. Could you tell me where / how you composed your comment?
@MadeWithLayers
7 жыл бұрын
I laid out my setup before Filaween S01E01 aired, all files and settings are available for download. The problem with crowdsourcing results is that a) results from different printers won't be comparable and b) it's prone to manipulation.
@mhelvens
7 жыл бұрын
+Thomas Sanladerer: What I'm referring to is your seeming hesitation to even try to use and encourage scientific principles because there are roadblocks. Acknowledging the limits of your own setup is admirable, but there's no need to then assign zero confidence to your own results. If you find a way to _quantify_ that confidence, you're doing science. For example, you say that results from different printers won't be comparable. Are you sure? I understand your point, but maybe differences between printers are minor compared to differences between filaments. Seems like it would be worth testing. (I would do it myself, but I only have one printer.) Long story short, I think results from different printers probably _are_ comparable. We just don't know how to compare them, i.e., how to compensate for their differences. All the more reason to try a scientific approach, I'd say, in an effort to figure out the basic principles. Crowdsourcing could be very useful at some point, but I agree we're not quite there yet. Also, if this is simply something that doesn't interest you, fair enough. :-)
@DaHaiZhu
7 жыл бұрын
awesome series. I look forward to 2.0 :)
@shannongreenhalgh
6 жыл бұрын
Hay that, Filaween: Wall of Data, Is handy to know
@4.0.4
7 жыл бұрын
I wish you tested even the off-brand filaments. Also test more yellow and brown filaments just to be sure.
@Bobbyofna
7 жыл бұрын
please test out some more unique types of filament like some of colorfabbs other materials, and the properties of various dissolvable materials. Some brand comparisons would be great too like comparing polymaker max pla vs some cheap pla from amazon
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