Did Japan and Europe know of each other's existence? It's kinda fascinating that Samurai and Teutonic knights were fighting off Mongol Invaders without knowing of each other's existence
@whatifalthist2316
6 жыл бұрын
The Japanese didn't know about Europe, the Europeans did through Marco Polo
@lolzmcfree6996
6 жыл бұрын
Whatifalthist 2 wait are you a copier or the real second channel
@edrickhuge4637
6 жыл бұрын
They did. The old persian Empires Traded extensifly with China which Traded with Japan. It was known as nippon (Korea and japan combined as trade region). Basicly the Silk foad throught persia was "the global trade"
@WhatifAltHist
6 жыл бұрын
No, I'm the second channel
@lolzmcfree6996
6 жыл бұрын
Whatifalthist wait then who’s the main channel
@Fixundfertig1
6 жыл бұрын
Alcohol saved western civilization XD
@Pandzikizlasu80
5 жыл бұрын
Recreation of events: Some conquered dutchy in Poland. - Hey Kubilay, lets drink for your victory! Later same evening - Is he dead? - Yes - Lets drink for our victory and clean all that mess in the morning...
@gabingston3430
4 жыл бұрын
Long necked ice cold beer never broke my heart.
@todd7383
4 жыл бұрын
King Ugudei (im genghis descendant) drank with an islamic trader and died of over dose
@BeyondBlazed420
4 жыл бұрын
Surely didn’t deserve the save
@codafett
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy
@austintheamerican3784
6 жыл бұрын
What if World War 1 never happened (or at least the way we knew it) The man who killed Franz Fernidad simply goes to another sandwich shop and never gets the chance to shoot at him
@whatifalthist2316
6 жыл бұрын
Working on that, it's a very tough timeline
@leoreyes707
6 жыл бұрын
It'd happen through some other catalyst. The fundamental issues of an unstable Balkans, a declining Britain in the face of Germany and France's vendetta would still be around
@WhatifAltHist
6 жыл бұрын
That's the issue, in my opinion, World War 1 was going to happen the day the Roman Empire fell, but that's a very different story
@austintheamerican3784
6 жыл бұрын
Dan M well avoiding it would be tough, Otto Von Bismarck predicted world war 1 so we’ll that he got where it started right. France wanted Elsaß-lörthingen back, Russia wanted a military victory after the humiliating loss from Japan, Germany wanted too Nuder the Russian and French empires and Austria and Turkey didn’t want to fall apart so it’s really hard to avoid World War One but I think it’s doable.
@Ozymandias1
6 жыл бұрын
You mean the Holy Roman Empire? Or the ancient Roman Empire?
@alcatrazz.627
3 жыл бұрын
Frederick Nietzsche: "Alcohol is one of the worst enemies of Western Civilization" Me who watches Whatifalthist: "Yeah right sure"
@Anonymous-nd3kw
3 жыл бұрын
I'm dying, Ogedei has an intervention for this alternate history to happen
@godozo
3 жыл бұрын
Or, as likely, was more moderate in his drinking.
@matthewbarabas3052
6 жыл бұрын
i like how they just completely bypassed the Byzantine Empire. maybe Constantinople wasn't worth sacking.
@Bram06
6 жыл бұрын
Genghis Khan looked at the great Byzantine walls and he just said "Nope." And he got the fuck out of there
@nekotamo5154
6 жыл бұрын
I think at that time Constantinople was under Crusader occupation.
@nekotamo5154
6 жыл бұрын
The Byzantine remnants in the west fell to the Mongols and the Byzantine remnants in the east (which reformed the country in our timeline) seem to have fallen to the Turks in this timeline which is not unreasonable given that they would be cutoff from every possible help by the Mongols.
@matthewbarabas3052
6 жыл бұрын
there's also that. i just think that if byzantium were stronger by the time the mongols arrived, they would have struck up a better alliance, trashing all of byzantium's enemies with their help.
@aarohalme1020
6 жыл бұрын
They clearly just decided to keep it and russia would try to help liberate neoghbouring region's from the heathen turk's.
@chantlerweatherspoon5273
3 жыл бұрын
France: *sighs* I'm finally finished uniting my duchies, now nothing can go wr- *Sees Mongol horde coming* GOD DAM- *Gets invaded*
@leojanuszewski1019
3 жыл бұрын
....and then they promptly surrendered.
@neoarmstrongcyclonejetarms9326
2 жыл бұрын
@@leojanuszewski1019 lolololololololol funny joke bro made me laugh very hard
@leojanuszewski1019
2 жыл бұрын
@@neoarmstrongcyclonejetarms9326 😁
@neoarmstrongcyclonejetarms9326
2 жыл бұрын
@@leojanuszewski1019 😁
@barbiquearea
2 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is in 1305 Philip IV of France received letters from Olijaitu from the Ilkhanate offering an alliance between France and the Mongol Empire. Its possible that in this timeline a Franco-Mongolian alliance could have been in the cards assuming the French were at war with their neighbors. Whether the Mongols would maintain their alliance with France after conquering its eastern neighbors is another matter.
@iapetusmccool
4 жыл бұрын
Various thoughts: 1) I'm a bit sceptical about the claim that Mongol conquest prevents democracy. The places the Mongols didn't conquer didn't become democracies either until hundreds of years later. And the existence or not of democracy is certain countries (e.g Japan and Iran) is the result of recent intervention by other powers. (And if the correlation is more than coincidence, maybe there is some other common factor (eg geography) that makes Mongol conquest easier and also democracy less likely to develop). 2) the Mongols generally only destroyed cities if the resisted (or if, as in khwarezmia, the king commuted a sufficiently bad offence that the Mongols decided the whole kingdom had to be destroyed). So I would expect that there would be less destruction in Italy, as the various small states would capitulate rapidly once they saw what they were facing. 3) the Mongols were generally supportive of international trade. 4) the kill- count at the beginning is I think seriously underestimating Hitler. The figures for Ghengus Khan are for the whole of the Mongol conquests, so the figures for Hitler should be the total casualties for WWII in the West, not just the holocaust.
@lukec2004
3 жыл бұрын
For point 4, WW2 would have probably happened with or without Hitler, while there's no way mongols became what they did without Genghis Khan
@greyscaleb1537
3 жыл бұрын
Japan was on the development of democracy in the 30s lmao
@EchoVortex713
2 ай бұрын
@@lukec2004😂 Hitler literally started WWII by attacking Poland and you say he didn’t start WWII ?You’re just defending him , wtf is wrong with you ? But no one will argue with Hitler being more evil .
@nathanielfalen8042
6 жыл бұрын
Achualy the Mongols were nomadic so they took their cows with them wherever they went so they didn't over stretch that part of their supply lines and their soldiers were able to travel very quickly
@williamcasey4049
6 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Falen cos you only herd the ones ewe love. sorry bout that. sorry, sorry didn't mean to yurt anyone.
@Enchie
6 жыл бұрын
What about equipment? And other foods?
@williamcasey4049
6 жыл бұрын
the siege equipment traveled with the chinese. not that they needed no equipment, but they could go very light. a steppe winter could go as bad as the Arctic tundra. these guys could sleep outdoors in that mess with a good blanket. I'd say arrows and bows might get rare, since they used shorter arrows for their horsebows. but in terms of wearing them out? well, a lot of tough people tried and failed at that. but, like he said, they also could get decadent, and late period Mongols had fewer horse bow, and seemed more mortal. more crossbow, less horsepower.
@nathanielfalen8042
6 жыл бұрын
jthedog Along the line of other foods the Mongols had a heavily protein based diet. And for equipment they recruit engineers from the countries they conquered th build siege equipment and they knew how to make their own bows and other weapons
@RemoveChink
6 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Falen They didnt herd cows.
@meneither3834
3 жыл бұрын
There is a huge mistake in this video. Using Kublai's conquest of southern China as a base to look at a Mongol conquest of Europe is problematic. For one, the conquest of Song China was not the typical Mongol conquest with horse archers, farmlands turned to pasture, piles of skulls and horrible raids. It was effectively a Chinese dynasty conquering another. With armies mainly composed of Chinese footmen and Chinese boatmen to take the Yangtze. And even then it took 50 years. So equating the situation to Europe, the Mongols would have to take a foothold somewhere in Eastern Europe in either the Pannonian bassin or around Kiev (much further away from Mongolia where steppe politics happened.) And then spend a generation slowly conquering Germany, France and Italy using European warfare (and there is still the possibility of a Vietnam happening.) Not taking this element into account makes the whole scenario extremely flawed.
@highnoon9228
2 жыл бұрын
F
@cudanmang_theog
2 жыл бұрын
Not Vietnam. The Northern part of Vietnam (used to be kingdom of Dai Viet back then) have some very good flatlands along the Red River until it reaches the Gulf of Tonkin, the Red River Delta, basically the heart of Viet civilization and center of the kingdom population. Uriyangqadai (son of Subeedei) from Yunnan in winter 1257-1258 in within one month they drove straight ultimately to Hanoi (400km along the Red River Yunnan to Hanoi is flat stretch of Tibetan-Annamites semi-grassland, which is suitable enough for deployment of cavalry (1 Mongol and two Dali tumens) super quick and thus able to force the king to resign without much resistance.
@derptrolling4740
Жыл бұрын
If Mongols conquered Europe: Anti Semitism will be more powerful in Europe because Mongols will use the Jews as Tax Collectors. Racism against the Roma / Gypsies will be more deadly because the Mongols will use Roma to spy, oppress, abuse, harass and extort White Europeans. Europeans will become more racist and hostile towards non-whites, lgbt and far left groups. Europe will be filled with anti-semitism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, russophobia and sinophobia. Hate crimes will be more frequent in Europe. Pogroms and Holocaust toward Jews, Gypsies, non-whites and Muslims will be normal in Europe. Hungary will be view as a Puppet of Russia Fascism and Nazism will be created in Europe earlier. The Catholic Church will be more powerful and intolerant to non-Christians and Protestants The English, Portuguese and Spanish will be the only ones to colonize the World. Canada will be part of USA. Luther will ally with the Vatican instead becoming rivals. Europeans will hate Communism even more because it's a Judeo-Mongol Tool used by Russia and China against Europe. Europe will be ruled by Hitler.
@darius9329
Жыл бұрын
even the comparison between chinese and european siege warfare is utterly insane. european warfare was completely focused on sieges, and european fortifications were technologically far ahead of anyone elses, aswell as much more numerous. it would have taken them not one but several generations just to conquer germany and even then only if everything goes their way, which it wouldnt because compared to the rest of the world western european peasants were crack troops. The only people the mongols conquered werent really strong to begin with. Chinas entire history is being conquered by foreigners and the rus were disunited, outnumbered, and forced to fight on the mongols terms with their fortifications being utterly subpar. Hungary already proved quite troublesome for them and hungary was hardly anything more than europes little toe.
@meneither3834
Жыл бұрын
@@darius9329 "China's entire history is being conquered by foreigners." Foreigners only fully conquered China twice, the Mongols and the Manchus. That said Europe did have a relatively very high density of fortifications, something the centralised Chinese power would not stand for because it would make it easier for local rulers to revolts.
@timothycook8334
4 жыл бұрын
Now I'm just picturing all of Ogedai's Mongol companions cornering him in a room in the palace with a huge sign on the wall that says "Intervention" in Mongol script lol.
@dinoman6123
6 жыл бұрын
what if the Turkish migrations into Anatolia never happened?
@whatifalthist2316
6 жыл бұрын
Already did that, it's called what if the Byzantine Empire Never Fell
@dinoman6123
6 жыл бұрын
doesn't it have a a different premise and what about the Timurid's and mughuls? then again i should do it in stead of moan about it.
@WhatifAltHist
6 жыл бұрын
No, the Turks win at Manzikert
@WhatifAltHist
6 жыл бұрын
Why not? Stalin and Mao did. I think Emperor Tigerstar did a pretty good job, thus rendering my job irrelevent
@theotheagendashill818
6 жыл бұрын
pac bell Lol why?
@barbatvs8959
6 жыл бұрын
Ogedei died? So Ogedied?
@dashckand
6 жыл бұрын
lmao
@TheStarcoMarco
6 жыл бұрын
That's weird. But what's even more weird is Alexander the Great of Macedonia. When Alexander dies it becames Alexander the Dead.
@barbatvs8959
6 жыл бұрын
His glory has yet to fade. For example, my name is Alejandro.
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
6 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@kisaragiayami
6 жыл бұрын
TheSovietComrade alexandie
@Destroyer11204
6 жыл бұрын
The Mongols created a gigantic navy to invade Japan, the only reason Japan didn't fall was that the Mongols got unlucky and died in a Tsunami(twice), in the channel there is no chance that there would be a tornado, so an invasion wouldn't really be a problem for them
@WhatifAltHist
6 жыл бұрын
Are you a troll, the first Roman fleet-destroyed by storm, multiple Spanish Armadas-destroyed by storms, French invasions in 1798 and 1746-destroyed by storms
@Ozymandias1
6 жыл бұрын
I have never ever heard of tornado's happening in the North Sea and English Channel. There have been big storms (like in 1953 when thousands of people died in the Netherlands and hundreds in Britain) but they are not yearly occurances (we don't have a "tornado season" in Europe like you have in the America's).
@Destroyer11204
6 жыл бұрын
Whatifalthist I'm not a troll, I actually love your content(keep it up), I'm just saying that if the Mongols got ready to invade England(as in build up a navy) and nothing went wrong during the crossing of the channel (like it did during their attempted invasion of Japan) the Mongols could easily invade them. About the failed invasions(disclaimer for this part, I only know about the Roman invasion so not everything might be right): Rome wasn't really busy with a navy and mostly neglected it plus bad luck, the Spanish Armada also had bad luck, while France, just like Rome, wasn't really that busy with creating a strong navy and thus could have easily been stopped by the English navy
@phaenon4217
6 жыл бұрын
Destroyer 11204 That's a myth, almost as dubious as claiming the russian winter was solely responsible for stopping the Germans in 1941, for example :p The Mongols actually landed in both attacks and dozens of battles occured. The problem is, they wanted to regroup since the coastal walls were difficult to breach, so they went back to their ships and tied their boats together to help fend off Japanese boarding parties. This is how the mongol fleet essentially pulled itself to water when the typhoon came. Not good... It also bad strategy to launch huge fleets of cheaply made ships for a long ocean going mission... in the middle of _typhoon season_ -_- , lol. Just goes to show how inexperienced the mongols really were at this type of operation.
@NorthernXY
6 жыл бұрын
Destroyer 11204 Facepalm. Where would they get the ships?
@sciencemore4604
6 жыл бұрын
56 was actually quite old in 1242.
@pbrower2a1
5 жыл бұрын
But people did live to advanced ages even in antiquity (Socrates, Archimedes) if everything went well -- not being a peasant, not dying of starvation, plague, or war, and not overindulging. Few people made it to 56, but some did.
@binozia-old-2031
5 жыл бұрын
Well for nobility its not extremely out of the ordinary
@TheBarser
4 жыл бұрын
No it wasn't. The high degree of infants dying, and warfare made the avarage population low. But if you could just sit back and relax (like the rich) then if you passed 30 you would probably get very old. Lots of nobles got into there 80s
@BuRsTiNxMLB
3 жыл бұрын
pbrower2a1 yeah but I’d imagine the warrior lifestyle of the Khans shaved off years of their lives
@DevinDTV
3 жыл бұрын
56 was not old in 1242. the Senate of sparta from over 1000 years earlier had a minimum age of 60. the idea that people didn't live long is a myth. life expectancy at birth was very low because of very high infant and child mortality. make it to age 12 and you'd live into your 60s easily
@andrewgranger3370
4 жыл бұрын
The Mongols crushed merchant bases? The Kwarazim were destroyed because they abused a Mongol trade mission. The Pax Mongolia made trade easier.
@chucklynch6523
3 жыл бұрын
Very true...great comment!!
@abhiprakash74999
3 жыл бұрын
Which was eventually wiped out by the black death and by timur
@lucyadam9128
Жыл бұрын
@@abhiprakash74999 ya people really love to defend the mongols They make them look very naive
@IrishMappermapsmore
3 жыл бұрын
One part that I think is very important to note. The reason the Mongols lost at Ayn Jalut was the fact the Mamluks attacked the Mongols in Syria knowing the majority of their army went to Mongolia to vote after Ogedai's death. If Ogedai lives then Ayn Jalut doesnt exist in the first place, the battle being likely elsewhere and a Mongol victory.
@johnclay5499
8 ай бұрын
Nearly 3/4th of the army went back to mongolia with Hulegu khan
@GeoPol01
4 жыл бұрын
10:00 Even in the Mongol empire, the Mongols are still the exception
@kbrink21
6 жыл бұрын
"Persia was taken over by religious fanatics." Is he talking about the Safavid Dynasty or something else?
@chucklynch6523
3 жыл бұрын
@King Wiwuz IV the Safavids came on after the Timurids!! Maybe a century later!
@meneither3834
3 жыл бұрын
@@chucklynch6523 but the Timurids were essentially an extension of the Mongols.
@FilAnd01
6 жыл бұрын
But Spain didn’t exist back then...
@FilAnd01
6 жыл бұрын
Txtspeak I hate being this pedantic, but Castile doesn’t make sense either. Aragon had nearly all of the modern day Spanish - French border in the Pyrenees, not Castile.
@vinifalleroliveira
5 жыл бұрын
@@FilAnd01 It was also Aragon who took most of the Mediterranean to the Spanish when the Ibearian Wedding happened. Castille was aiming much more on Iberia and the Atlantic than Aragon, which was focusing on mediterranean trade.
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
4 жыл бұрын
Filip Andersson It would unite.
@TheBarser
4 жыл бұрын
That is one of many errors in this video.
@miguelpereira9859
3 жыл бұрын
@Tom's Ghost Spain didn't exist as a unified state
@GaysianAmerican
6 жыл бұрын
Nope if Ogedei lived they would’ve won the battle of An Jalut and North Africa would’ve been conquered. This is because the Khan and his army would not have been recalled for the Kurutai. Also the Mongols used gunpowder. Also if the cities surrendered peacefully no one would’ve been killed
@ljlkhagvajargaltumurbaatar9865
5 жыл бұрын
True!
@andrewgranger3370
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, wasn't Hulagu (spelling is probably wrong) pretty much having his way until he had to go back to vote on the new khan and the enemy used the lack of leadership to attack and halt their momentum.
@robertabrahamsen9076
4 жыл бұрын
Why would there necessarily even have been a battle of Ain Jalut in this timeline? Everything would be different.
@2chin4u
3 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but no. There is no evidence the Mongols used gunpowder on a regular basis outside of China. Secondly do you understand the logistical nightmare it would have been to conquer North Africa? It took 60 years for the Ummayads to do it and they had the advantage of coming from Arabia. How are the Mongols going to do it when they’re based 4000 miles further away?
@dismantledhenry5006
3 жыл бұрын
Gaysian_american so trueeeee
@hmm7783
3 жыл бұрын
"As much as Indians don't like this-" Oh this should be interesting.
@winterroadspokenword4681
2 жыл бұрын
I think all parts of South Asia recognise that despite being exploited heavily by Britain, Britain lifted these nations into the modern era and unified their states. Then British exploited them for sure, but ordinary people are always exploited by someone or another. Before the British they people were being exploited by their own rulers.
@lol2309
2 ай бұрын
@@winterroadspokenword4681 nazis also gave u guys tech so by that logic europe should achknowledge nazis u euro soyboys are insane
@brianplum1825
5 жыл бұрын
If you think the Ming dynasty was isolationist, you've never heard of Zheng He's voyages.
@getass3290
3 жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean they weren't isolationist being isolated and being isolationist is completely different. Zheng He did his voyages to project the might of the Ming dynasty which to be honest sounds sort've isolationist.
@kingharlaus1758
6 жыл бұрын
austro-mongol empire when
@concept5631
3 жыл бұрын
*_oh no_*
@cleftlannights2881
6 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Thank you very interesting and I'm glad you brought it clear up to Modern Times
@christopherthrawn1333
2 жыл бұрын
But you do raise a challenging question for us to think about. Great breakdown of what ifs. Excellent work there.
@mnm8818
3 жыл бұрын
If I had a time machine I would be doing these alternative history's as experiments to see the outcome...
@benjamincederberg818
6 жыл бұрын
Sweden would not be able to control Germany, we dont have the population. I dont understand why you wouldnt even mention any rebellions. I think they are more likely, but with support from the independent nations
@apotato6278
5 жыл бұрын
At this time there was no such thing as a German or Swedish people, hell we had just managed to get those fuckers in Götaland to admit their puns are shit and they have no right trying to be a nation. A small ruling class could hold on to much bigger populations and seeing as they shared religions it's entirely possible. That's without even mentioning Sweden has always been very close to the German states.
@tuxedosteve1904
5 жыл бұрын
@@apotato6278 yes there was a german identity. German Identity already existed since the early Middle ages. No Sweden has never been close to the german states. Sweden even tried to weaken the hansatic league.
@uzrdutiutfiztdf3545
5 жыл бұрын
i think that is the wrong question here. in this fictional timeline the mongols had the power over the German lands for quite a time an they were cruel overlords. the swedes, fellow christians and culturally very close to germans, would have been seen as the great liberators. no real need to keep control for quite a time
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
4 жыл бұрын
uzrdut iutfiztdf But the Germans would opt to govern themselves.
@taptiotrevizo9415
3 жыл бұрын
Probably since the mongols would nuke Germany's population
@johnvonshepard9373
6 жыл бұрын
"Wood Khanate" really bruh? :(
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
4 жыл бұрын
John von Shepard *Roman :)
@collinleecrawford
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why I just find the whole drinking intervention thing funny like I can just imagine how it would go. just all his friends ridding up on horse’s like “hey man we need to talk and don’t ride away this time you’ll just fall off again.”
@537monster
3 жыл бұрын
10:02 I love the irony here. Literally the most prominent democracy in this picture is Mongolia itself.
@SaudiHaramco
6 жыл бұрын
Didn't the mongols only fail in Syria because they had already sent most of their forces back with Hülegü Khan?
@theman9048
4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@peterongan9655
3 жыл бұрын
Even in ayn jalut, the mongol were outnumbered 2:1 so yeah
@chucklynch6523
3 жыл бұрын
It was in Palestine where the Mongols led by the incompetant (but brave) Nestorian Christian General Kitbuka met their match. The Mongols used no scouts and no advanced knowledge of the enemy and literally were destroyed by an enemy using the same tactics the Mongols had used hundreds of times!! Ironically, even though they were greatly outnumbered by Kutuz and Baibars, and poorly lead by Kitbuka the Mongols still almost won the battle. If they had had another couple of thousand soldiers it would have been lights out for Kutuz and Baibars!! That is how good even a small undersized Mongolian army was back then!! And to accentuate my point even more, most of the troopers in that Mongolian army weren't even Mongols from Mongolia!! They were troopers from Eurasia and the Middle East that had been integrated into the Mongolian war machine and taught the Mongol way of war!! Once Baibars established an alliance with the Mongols of the Golden Horde soon after Ain Jalut it was light out for any further attempts by Hulagu to take Egypt/North Africa....although Syria would continue to be invaded for another generation or so!!
@user-kt1st4uu9x
3 жыл бұрын
@@chucklynch6523 the mongols actually did invade the area all the way to gaza, but 40 years later, and only for 2 years. A rabbi that lived in jerusalem at the time wrote that they used to do feasts and party on the temple mount.
@MouseDestruction
5 жыл бұрын
"conquered" Mongols hardly stuck around to hold most lands. Mainly wanting an oath of fealty and a bit of tribute occasionally, hardly getting involved in many places they conquered. China got most of the attention I think and the silk road was to be kept safe.
@alexeyvankevich7096
5 ай бұрын
Well, I am from Russia. Urban life was almost destroyed here. Literacy rate fell dramatically. Status of women changed. Western Europe was very lucky to avoid our fate.
@SkinnerNoah
4 жыл бұрын
We're really lucky the Mongols didn't have guns. Imagine the Mongols spreading across the old world with primitive cannons and bombs
@maxjohnson1950
4 жыл бұрын
Wi-Fi TV we’d all be speaking Mongolian right now if they did.
@murphyjack90
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not no sure that the Mongol conquest of Germany would be as easy as that. When they invaded Poland and Hungary again in the late 1200s, the Europeans had built even more castles and fielded even more knights than they had in 1241, and managed to defeat the Mongols quite soundly. I can see the Mongol advance into Germany slowing to a crawl with the Germans striking from their forts to attack Mongol supply trains and kill their foragers, like they usually did in Western Medieval Warfare. Eventually, the Mongols would make Germany their frontier zone and it would become a battleground between the Mongol Empire and the United German States for the next two hundred years or so.
@pyotrcapaldi451
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Laddie A Tatar Army A SINGLE army Wrecked everything in its path to Vienna They wrecked everything from Poland to Hungary and invaded as far as Northern Italy and coming very close to Vienna until ogedie died And it's a SINGLE ARMY
@adamnesico
2 жыл бұрын
@@pyotrcapaldi451 Yes, in open field mogols were superior to europeans. But west Europe had too many castles. Poland and Hungarywere plains, good battleground from mogols. But in Austria and Germany begin the hills, mountains and castles.
@pyotrcapaldi451
2 жыл бұрын
@@adamnesico the Mongols crossed the altai, Caucasus and zagros mountains Not a big deal in Austria
@adamnesico
2 жыл бұрын
@@pyotrcapaldi451 Mongols would undoutly take Vienna. No need to cross the alps, through Istria they can easily enter. The Po valle would be an easy target. Rome would be ended if they like. But to submit the entire castles on hills and moiuntains of Italia, Germany, France andIberia.... The Khan would die be4 that.
@pyotrcapaldi451
2 жыл бұрын
@@adamnesico the Mongols in their homeland have more obstacles than Europe It wouldn't be a big problem to invade Germany through the Flat plains that reach francs
@Psyxic_Crimes
3 жыл бұрын
What a great video to explain such a Facinating topic. Love this channel to death 👍👍👍
@santiagorestrepo2000
4 жыл бұрын
Wait.. the mongols did have chinese engineers and siege weapons.. they knew siege tactics, just look at the mughal superforts they created in northern India, or the assault on heavy fortified cities like Kiev, Samarkand and Baghdad.
@centralasia6827
3 жыл бұрын
Not only them,they also had persian engineers and arab engineers.
@morfeusaquino4695
6 жыл бұрын
"Intolerant Inquisition"
@albertocruzado2899
6 жыл бұрын
Morfeus Salazar He is so traumatized by the inquisition that he dont event know that we had science and innovation.
@rzeczpospolita5948
6 жыл бұрын
Well it actually was.
@albertocruzado2899
6 жыл бұрын
K-Tech ___ Re I find interesting that he cant concive a modern spanish without inquisition, o an inquisition which wasnt a problem from modernity. The french religion war, the italian inquisition or the prosecution of catholics in england wasnt a problem to this youtuber. But he, who can make dying empires live, cant understand Spain without repression or an opressive inquisition. I find it interesting. Its obvious his pro english an american tendencies
@miguelhernandezbadillo2543
6 жыл бұрын
unexpected inquisition*
@barbatvs8959
6 жыл бұрын
As a Spaniard, I inquire of him to divulge his inclinations.
@byzantinemapper6145
5 жыл бұрын
Also, with more land and resources, and with nowhere to expand to, the Swedes would be better colonial powers. They could expand the Delaware colony to the Potomac and to New England, and their African colony could grow to the size of French West Africa. They could colonize New Zealand and the Guyana Shield as well if they wanted to.
@widowmaker4976
5 жыл бұрын
@Whatifalthist This is based on a faulty premise. As someone who read about the Mongols and studied their invasions? People often bring up the idea of the Mongols retreating because of the Khan dying, but especially in the case of Ogedei, which is the one brought up most often, the Mongols had no way of knowing he was dead at the time Subutai and co. decided to retreat from Europe. News had not reached them yet, thus the retreat was owed to other reasons. Especially when the Mongols returned. The deciding factor against the Mongols in their second invasion of Hungary was the absolutely legendary work King Béla did in rebuilding his kingdom after he watched the Mongols ransack and rape their way through it, which left his successors with a nation both strong enough to resist them, and which had learned from what worked in the previous invasion. Part of what they found out was that the Mongols were not very successful when besieging stone castles, even those that were well within their capability to attack. Likewise, if we look at their battles against the Polish, we can see that they faced up against mounted knights with very mixed results, and the knightly contingents in those armies suffered the lightest losses when fighting the Mongols. They were by no means invincible.
@anmolpatel793
4 жыл бұрын
Polish king was beheaded and the Austrian duke ran away from the battle yes Mongols were doing pretty bad in Europe, China had to build a Great Wall to protect against Mongols and a few castles would stop these Mongols
@IronClover15
6 жыл бұрын
I always feel like your videos are strongest when you stick to the main topic and don’t ramble on about the hundreds of years after an event.
@blauwbeer556
2 жыл бұрын
that seems more like an inevitable side effect of alt history, the further you go in to the timeline, the harder it gets to properly predict what will happen and people will disagree.
@harrylongdick1303
Жыл бұрын
It is objectively way more interesting to hear a whole storyline of events rather than just stating what actually happened. If he stopped at wood khanate this video would be trash
@oremfrien
3 жыл бұрын
In your alternate timeline, there is no way that the Mamluks would win at Ain Jalut. The entire reason for the victory was that Hulegu Khan withdrew the bulk of his forces, leaving only his lieutenant Kitbuqa behind with a few tumens that the Mamluks were able to fight on a 1:1. The reason Hulegu Khan withdrew was Möngke's death (just like how Ögedei's death prevented Batu from continuing his expansion into Europe). However, if Ögedei does not die, then Möngke would not succeed him and cause Hulegu to abandon the Middle East. If Hulegu had his full strength to march upon Egypt, he would have taken it and then likely spread across North Africa. Anatolia at that time was a number of Seljuk principalities that the Mongols would have loved to overrun (see Timur two centuries later).
@Bluesonofman
6 жыл бұрын
Do a continuation on how America an Canada being united in this time line would change things
@lasorsgopewpew2869
5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos.
@Player-st4hn
4 жыл бұрын
1:02 That is actually incorrect, the Mongols came back for a second Invasion of Hungary and possibly Poland too but it was a smaller invasion force that was defeated.
@elbentos7803
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed you're right. The Golden Horde tried to invade both Hungary and Poland a second time and was defeated in both campaigns. The quasi-invicibility of the mongol army is globally a myth (cf. also Jain Alut against mamluks).
@georgethompson1460
3 жыл бұрын
actually the exact numbers are unknown, it's currently believed to have been around 30,000 with troops from russia and other tributaries taking part.
@liamjm9278
2 жыл бұрын
They almost lost the first time at Mohi. They failed to siege the stone fortifications as well and the heavy cavalry performed well against them. Hungary built more stone forts and they worked brilliantly in the second invasion, and it was only a couple dozen. Germany alone had tens of thousands of castles.
@CJ-fs1zr
Жыл бұрын
Second invasion was not even mongol empire it was a rump state of Golden Horde which was when mongols were broken apart and disunited lol. If the first invasion continued all of europe save England (and that’s a maybe for England not a sure thing) will be conquered by mongols lol
@CJ-fs1zr
Жыл бұрын
@@elbentos7803Golden Horde was not the mongol empire
@Barwasser
6 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention: No Austria - no world wars! XD jk they would have found another to kill each other reason eventually
@oilybat3269
5 ай бұрын
Ghost of Guernsey: a game where you play as an English knight protecting your island from the Mongol invasion
@Szycha8412
5 жыл бұрын
Good work:)
@jonathanvilario5402
4 жыл бұрын
"Odedei had an intervention to drink less" LIT
@alexmartinez3719
6 жыл бұрын
I really liked the first part of the video and the comparations with other conquered zones for the building of the scenario. Then saying something like the Renaisance would happen in Britain and Scandinavia with completely different circumstances and background to Italy might be a little of a stretch, but I don't really know that much about the specifics to assert it. I can understand the democracy part, maybe not that directly correlated to Mongol conquest but more as a domino effect. However, I think considering a similar line of colonialism in this timeline is quite an overstretch, and more having a "United States" ( which was barely mentioned so I suppose ks just talking about the place, but still), which although I respect the ambition I think would be better to leave the video with the more detailed and """evidence"""" based parts you can get to.
@williamcasey4049
6 жыл бұрын
Alex Martinez I've heard that the Mongols might have burnt out all the cities which cradled the Renaissance. but then again, they might have forestalled the Reformation, by scaring the hell out of the Calvinists. btw, they were hugely tolerant religiously, ....just.do.not.ever.threaten.the Khan, and that.includes.hellfire.
@WhatifAltHist
6 жыл бұрын
When I say the Renaissance I'm not directly referring to Italy, I'm referring to the general Scientific and Thought Revolution of Europe that took place from 1500 to 1650. It didn't start, because of Italy, but from a combination of forces coming out of the combined Middle Ages.
@williamcasey4049
6 жыл бұрын
if cities were de emphasized by the Mongols, science that required stable areas and cultural interactions might be stifled. alchemy and chemistry might have been slowed,tho maybe Taoist replacements would factor in? science minus Labs would slow things. alchemical fires in a tent city ...very bad.
@EstbXCIII
Ай бұрын
Imagine the Pope uniting all of Europe in a Crusade to defend Europe. Not only that but forming an alliance with the Muslim world who would also unite and declare their own Holy war against the Mongols. God.. this alternate timeline would make an EPIC TV series
@kotahitt9563
5 жыл бұрын
"A man's alcoholism saved 15 million lives and several nation's." In a continent that would go on to pillage and colonize billions. Is there really such a distinction between who takes what lives and nations?
@ljlkhagvajargaltumurbaatar9865
5 жыл бұрын
Not a man!! He was our great khaan thank you ))
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
4 жыл бұрын
Kota Hitt That same continent developed western civilization and likely gave us a better outcome in the long run so.
@robertabrahamsen9076
4 жыл бұрын
There are many, many times more people alive now than at any time in history because of technologies and medicine developed exclusively by Europeans.
@MrAlepedroza
4 жыл бұрын
That's a big oversimplification of what happened...
@samwolfenstein5239
6 жыл бұрын
The political dis-unification of Europe actually serves as a great advantage; unlike southern China, in which all the Mongol army had to do was knock out a few major centers, facilitating civil and political collapse. Meanwhile, in Europe, the Mongols would have to effectively defeat each kingdom, duchy and county one by one in lengthy sieges against stone castles, which they always had trouble against. This would be thousands of miles away from Mongolia, in thick, thorny woods, against zealous fanatics. The Mongols didn't even do that well against the Poles on the open steppe, losing entirely, and were crushed by Hungary once they had to siege down Hungarian stone fortresses. Just look at the sieges of Esztergom, or Klis. Further, European heavy cavalry proved decisively superior to Mongol light cavalry. In the battles of Mohi and Legnica, the Knights Templar performed quite well against the invaders, sustaining very low battlefield casualties. The moment Mongol forces entered Bohemia or Austria, they were easily repelled, and they never tried again. Attempting to get through the literal tens of thousands of stone castles and forts across western Europe, far away from supply lines, in heavy woods, would have been incredibly arduous at best, and more than likely completely impossible. Even if Ogadei was immortal, it would have failed horribly.
@andrewlentner
6 жыл бұрын
He addressed a lot of those points. 1) The Mongols had already dealt with woods in China. They had no problems. 2) The Mongols sieged walled cities several times and won. 3) Yes the multiple kingdoms would be an advantage .
@diegonatan6301
6 жыл бұрын
I think that he didn't address that, he glossed over those points saying, well the mongols would just win. But I invite you to take a look at the discussions in the Alternate History Forum about this topic, there were pretty good arguments there for both Mongols and Europeans.
@FinnishDragon
6 жыл бұрын
I would add each Mongol warrior had from five to ten horses available for him to be used in combat or to carry his equipment. Each of these horses ate fodder from five to ten kilos per day. If you have an army of 100k Mongol warriors then they would have at least 500k horses with them. Those horses would eat at least 2500 tons of fodder per day. On the steppes it would be easy to acquire that amount of fodder but it would have been much more difficult to do it the European forests. If Mongols lose too many horses then they will lose their best advantage, the mobility.
@samwolfenstein5239
6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Lentner Walled cities are a different story than stone fortresses and castles. Just look at Mongol performances against European fortifications across eastern Europe, where there was plenty of grazing land and no major supply issues. Now take away all their advantages, supplies, and grazing land. They couldn't really siege an area in the woods in Germany for very long before they'd have to leave for the steppe for fodder. As for the woods, south asia was considerably closer to Mongolia, and much easier to knock out in one blow due to centralization. It also took them many decades to complete even with that. Also, the Chinese engineers they forced to make their seige engines knew how to deal with Chinese "castles" and fortresses(of which there were far less, and the ones that existed were of considerably lesser quality due to sieges being significantly more important in European warfare), and not how to deal with European ones. Even if the Mongols captured European engineers and used them to make seiges only last a week each, they'd still have to go through the aformentioned tens of thousands of stone fortifications, with no grazeland, while fighting vast Christian coalitions and imperial armies, and being harassed by constant ambushes and raids. Ottonian German armies had already dealt with central asian nomadic invasions, and learned how to beat them time and time again; force them into lengthy sieges in deep woods, far away from their power base, and harass them. The Mongols would have essentially nothing going for them in an invasion of Europem
@barbatvs8959
6 жыл бұрын
I love Europe, but it's wishful thinking that the Mongols would not succeed just because the obstacle course in Europe was more complicated than elsewhere if that's even true.
@ahoraya1047
5 жыл бұрын
Right, England, same as Japan, would be outside the Empire, and also Spain, same way as Vietnam or the Philippines.
@christopherthrawn1333
2 жыл бұрын
No. Further the Mongols venture into Europe the less they had cavalry. Back bone of Mongol strength. They had substandard infantryman
@varangianguard7102
2 жыл бұрын
They didn't have supply trains but were still nomadic as they always have been. Each man brought 2 horses I believe. And they can always take horses from the countryside.
@mohammedshwayyat4748
6 жыл бұрын
You forgot the king of Belgium, and what he did to the Congo’s.
@rohanr.9714
4 жыл бұрын
Still not top 5 though
@ooooo934
5 жыл бұрын
What if the Mongols Conquered Europe? Jesus would have been drawn like an asian man
@georgethompson1460
3 жыл бұрын
Just think the second and third invasions of hungary but on a bigger scale.
@bluemoonbeach293
3 жыл бұрын
Video starts at 0:00
@Quetsalcoatvl
3 жыл бұрын
Its a very flawed view to compare casualties inflicted on a foreign nation you are invading and conquering to the killing of, or actions that lead to the starvation of, your own people or a people considered part of your nation. also the practice of wiping out the whole city if they fought back, likely led to numerous cities submitting that would not have, which led to less deaths from combat & the side-effects of sieges and likely less deaths or a similar amount overall. the major difference would be the years it would have took to siege every city on the silk road without using terrorism.
@wlemonte
4 жыл бұрын
Really interesting link you make between the development of western style liberal democracy and mongol invasion. It makes me completely rethink why Russian culture is so forcefully insular, and for that matter Persia, et al. On the question of why south Korea is so different I would say it took another huge frickin war and a resulting massive American footprint to make the difference. Well done!
@lithostheory
4 жыл бұрын
Love the Brazil bashing in littelary every video :^)
@yerdasellsavon9232
4 жыл бұрын
I guess Ireland might have part of the Renaissance
@Evadooker
3 жыл бұрын
the way you said emporer at 0:59 lmfao
@TheArtistTreee
4 жыл бұрын
3:03 Yes but that is mainly because of 2 unlucky typhoons.
@scorpionfiresome3834
6 жыл бұрын
What if the Teutonic Order won at the battle of Grunwald?
@Uberkatze-
6 жыл бұрын
Scorpion Firesome Then rip onionland
@fil-tiliusvaliunas8532
5 жыл бұрын
ONLY IF GOD INTERFERED.
@lewisbean4250
6 жыл бұрын
I know this is also a Mongol scenario, but what if the king of Khwarezmia hadn’t killed Chinghis’ ambassadors, and so there is no Mongol invasion of the Turkic nations (and in the long run, Europe, the Caucasus and the Middle East), with the Mongols focussing on east Asia? So basically, an intact Europe, Central Asia and Middle East while the Mongols do better in East Asia?
@Kuthsman
5 жыл бұрын
'Twas not the Khakhan of the Khazars (whose power was, in any event, in retreat since the attacks of Sviatoslaw I, in the 10th Century) whose murder of the Mongol ambassadors led to the invasion of Western Turkestan, and the destruction of Khwarizm, but the governor of Otrar.
@eledelapido
5 жыл бұрын
2:37 Unexpected Compostela reference, thanks!
@tycho2919
6 жыл бұрын
9:13 perfect use of a word that we, in school, are not allowed to say. We call it “the ‘R’ word”
@64UPAllGOD
5 жыл бұрын
Cool vid, but Canada doesn't join the US in the absence of a French Quebec. English Canada was consistently a more conservative and loyalist society than the 13 colonies during Colonial times, which sociologically can be traced back to the fact that the demographics were much more rural, and climate much more cruel. Combine this with a greater economic reliance on the indigenous tribes until the late 1800s (there's an element of French contribution, but it was also that local knowledge was necessary to survive in Canada's geography), and you have a society that would still very much need and desire the protection of the British. It actually becomes likely conflict arises between the two nations in the 20th century in such a timeline, as without the language division it becomes increasingly unlikely that Canada signs onto the Auto Pact, for example, and would pose an obstacle to the continental economy the US wanted to set up.
@LaSpataCaroli
4 жыл бұрын
"YOU WANT A CRUSADE INFIDEL" -pope
@ls200076
4 жыл бұрын
"Ah shit" -pope in Spain
@epiceducation867
Ай бұрын
You have the gigantic Yuans, Golden horde, the solid chagatai, the mighty ilkhanate and then you have...the wood khanate💀☠️💀☠️
@buddermonger2000
2 жыл бұрын
The difference between Mongol invasion of Europe and the current timeline seems largely to be "What would happen if the central European powers were weakened when the powers of the peripheries decided to invade this time?" and that is this version of Europe.
@Grant_Scarboro
6 жыл бұрын
What if the Russians never expanded eastward?
@aleksandartrifunov5754
6 жыл бұрын
Grant Scarboro What if Western World remained Orthodox as it was before the Great Shisma in 1054?
@aleksandartrifunov5754
6 жыл бұрын
Dejan/Дејан Kojić/Којић No. The first seeds of Schism were in 589. in Toledo council. When Roman Patriarchate decided to change Holy Trinity understanding and introduce filioque.
@alexanderiii4697
4 жыл бұрын
Well it would still be a useless land bro but rich in diamonds
@user-vh1ys5qr1o
2 жыл бұрын
China would have
@danie2le
5 жыл бұрын
Daniellw:It is also exciting to ask the lenguage question: what would be the Languages of Europe. Presumably, words from the Mongolian would be jused in all European languages. Especially for those relatet to horses and cavalry. Moreover, without the reformation it would not have had the German Language as we know it today, it would probably have been Scandinavian influenced by North German and Dutch became the most important language of the Germanic family. The language of the British Isles and Frenkreich would be very different. France had four times as many inhabitants than England in the middle age. In Great Britain, the Great Influence of the French and Norman languages would not make it possible for a more germanic Englisch language to evolve, but rather a kind of Norman-French.Probably also the language of Spain would be another. The south of France did not speak French in the Middle Ages, but Occitan, a language very similar to Catalan. Catalan and Occitan together would have been more spoken than Castlilan (today's Spanish) and thus more influence on language development. In aditin, Italian would have originated from the Venetian dialect, because Veneidig, as a city on an island in a lagoon, would not have been conquered by the Mongols, but Milano wuld have been destroyed.
@evandp5249
Жыл бұрын
If the colonial map of North America would coincide with the rest of this alternate history, then something tells me that A) the Spanish would still claim the southwest and B) the British would take the Virginia Grants of 1609, at least until the latter empire starts expanding it's North American holdings further south and further Northwest, but C) the Northeast and Quebec would go to the Swedes.
@mackycabangon8945
5 жыл бұрын
10:21 I think that some democracies in Europe will survive for the same reason as South Korea
@ElBandito
5 жыл бұрын
My like changed it from 2.9K to 3K. I feel special. :D
@stephenmackeysantos3771
6 жыл бұрын
they would've collapsed anyways
@emersonbouillon
Жыл бұрын
So Europe was saved by bottles of beer
@xxbillmegaxxpokemonsanchez6671
6 жыл бұрын
Hey 👋 althist can you do a remade and better version of the what if nazi weren’t psycho And also war of the world timeline that you did.thank you 😊
@shinebassist
4 жыл бұрын
Love the channel. One slight issue with your timeline though. If the Mongols conquer the Balkans, how do the Ottomans rise. In the early stages of their empire, the Ottoman's powerbase was almost entirely in Europe
@matthewsmith1779
4 жыл бұрын
Ain Jalut wouldn't have happened even in THIS timeline had Mongkë not died prompting Hugalu to take 90% of his army back to Mongolia to select a new great Khan. Mongkë's death saved North Africa just as much, if not more than Ogedai's death saved Europe. Hugalu already had an army of 250k men and was planning to do just that(invade North Africa). His army was over twice the size of the one that invaded Europe. They would have steamrolled the Mamluks in Egypt. Once he returned, the Mongol Empire was irrecoverably fractured. The Ilkanate and Golden Horde started a civil war and Kublai ascended to the throne of the Great Khan through a civil war in the East. Mongkë was the last true great Khan of the entire unified Mongol Empire. I often wonder how the world would have turned out if he lived to 70s like his brother Kublai. That would be a neat new project for you to do. What if Mongkë lived to his 70s.
@kotahitt9563
5 жыл бұрын
This is the good content
@jojo-gy9pp
2 жыл бұрын
Getting to keep the value of your labor is not the only reason people work.
@thatonetarren6311
3 жыл бұрын
10:22 On the map Mongolia is considered a healthy democracy how ironic.
@derptrolling4740
Жыл бұрын
Mongolia is authoritarian
@DudeOnYutube
5 жыл бұрын
The 100 years war was more a french civil war than an english invasion of France, England can't just remake those conditions. Also, how would the US gain independence if not for the seven years war and french support? How would Sweden manage to take over Germany and the baltic, their population wasn't even a million in 1500. Meanwile, Germany alone had more than 10 millions. So many inacurracy in this video.
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
4 жыл бұрын
DudeOnYutube His point is though: France would be liberated with help from England. US would gain independence as its population would far surpass that of England’s, mixing with their common attitude, and it still would’ve won without French support.
@filipzietek5146
6 жыл бұрын
Mongol heavy cavalry was also extremly proeffcient
@AlkalineAjay
5 жыл бұрын
Wood Khanate.. I’m weak :D
@kiaikarate5387
4 жыл бұрын
I think castle warfare may have held them off- they struggled in tight places: we have to agree to disagree- I LOVE YOUR STUFF::; I ultimately disagree with you on this though... I remember they called inner Europe the place of “EVIL”, because it was so hard for them. I do think they are less barbaric then perceived.
@NewHorizonsBeats
6 жыл бұрын
10:25 Ironically Mongolia itself is democratic today
@bayanbatu6848
6 жыл бұрын
Problem ?
@NewHorizonsBeats
6 жыл бұрын
Victor not at all. Did you here what he was saying?
@tuxedosteve1904
5 жыл бұрын
Didnt you read the subtitle?
@derptrolling4740
Жыл бұрын
Now Authoritarian
@Enzo012
6 жыл бұрын
The detail!
@yamamotohiromori419
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think maybe Indonesia and Malaysia will become one nation, and New Guinea will becoming one country as there is no dutch that controling the west part of the island?
@oitubeman1019
3 жыл бұрын
more likely it becomes part of Australia.
@TheCreator901
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, been waiting for a renovation for years.
@matthewmann8969
6 жыл бұрын
Then there would be way more Asiatic features
@octodaddy4494
5 жыл бұрын
I like this timeline 👍
@rynaldikline4250
3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about Indonesia
@francesconesi7666
6 жыл бұрын
I think you forgot some very small details: • Venice (It would have survived.) • Switzerland (It would have proclaimed its independence as in our TL and kept it.). • Savoy (Amadeus IV would have escaped on the western Alps and survived as a guerrilla war leader.). • Süd Tirol (The Habsburgs would have done the same.). • Croatia (It would have slown down the Mongols for a while.). • Genoa (It would have been sacked, but its fleet would have saved the population sailing to Corsica.). • Bulgaria (It would have bacame a Mongol vassal as in our TL.). Are they just small details? •Savoy: the successor of Amadeus IV's son, Peter II lived in England before the Mongol invasion and became there a very rich and influential member of English aristocracy. • Genoa: had fantastic a relationship with: Hansa (Destroyed by Mongols.), Scandinavia and England (Both fighting against Mongols.). You should redraw the map of the reconquered lands: Provence and Northern Italy would have been conquered by English. • Bulgaria: would have done what Muskovy did with Golden Horde, paied tributes and so kept its autonomy 'till Mongols would have become enough week to crush them. You should also include a Bulgarian Empire. Then "Pope escapes to Santiago of Compostela, but no Reformation": WRONG! • Removing Rome is allowing Waldism to spred through Northern Italy and Southern Germany. Both Zwingli and Cauvin studied and were inspired by Luther and Waldism. • Waldism would have been only the top of the iceberg: Italian Church crushed all the XIII century reformation movements. Pope leaving Rome to Santiago would have meant lot of them surviving and spreading. • England would have broken with Santiago's Pope and followed Wycliffe, who (With the King's support.) would have helped the King to peacefully stop the Peasant Riot.
@user-mj8it5vj5r
5 жыл бұрын
Bulgaria wasnt vassal
@derptrolling4740
Жыл бұрын
If Mongols conquered Europe: Anti Semitism will be more powerful in Europe because Mongols will use the Jews as Tax Collectors. Racism against the Roma / Gypsies will be more deadly because the Mongols will use Roma to spy, oppress, abuse, harass and extort White Europeans. Europeans will become more racist and hostile towards non-whites, lgbt and far left groups. Europe will be filled with anti-semitism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, russophobia and sinophobia. Hate crimes will be more frequent in Europe. Pogroms and Holocaust toward Jews, Gypsies, non-whites and Muslims will be normal in Europe. Hungary will be view as a Puppet of Russia Fascism and Nazism will be created in Europe earlier. The Catholic Church will be more powerful and intolerant to non-Christians and Protestants The English, Portuguese and Spanish will be the only ones to colonize the World. Canada will be part of USA. Luther will ally with the Vatican instead becoming rivals. Europeans will hate Communism even more because it's a Judeo-Mongol Tool used by Russia and China against Europe. Europe will be ruled by Hitler.
@ridikulusridikulus6454
6 жыл бұрын
What if cats were the dominant species on earth. The cats enslave dogs. The cats and dogs can talk but they speak different languages. Like if you think he should do this.
@patriottic7315
6 жыл бұрын
Basically Warrior Cats but not really.
@aleksandartrifunov5754
6 жыл бұрын
Ridikulus Guy That could bd happened only with God allowance.
@pbrower2a1
5 жыл бұрын
Cats and terrier dogs are very similar in their ecological roles. But -- it is Man that breeds the toy breeds of dog.
@Bluecheese1400
4 жыл бұрын
A dog rebellion would easily win
@ZaltnD
Ай бұрын
1:19 so basically if this guy have an intervention I would be speaking Mongol right now 😅
@M-J-qn8td
Ай бұрын
For Spain, you forgot that it was under Moorish yoke.
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