Haha can you imagine the Brits getting off their boats in Newfoundland only to be ambushed by Vikings
@arrocoda3590
7 жыл бұрын
Spartan3940 XD like "WERE BACK BITCHES!"
@arthas640
7 жыл бұрын
oh god, that made me laugh so hard my ribs hurt XD
@Andrenor
7 жыл бұрын
Spartan3940 Whats that Samuel, it fucking looks like Vikings!? -Samuel: Not again......
@appaloosahill4499
7 жыл бұрын
Spartan3940 " HEGENGURGEN DURGEN"
@ShadowWolfRising
7 жыл бұрын
Native American Vikings. That's Even more Terrifying/Awesome.
@weirdshibainu
8 жыл бұрын
if they had stayed, 600 years later it would have been a mini series
@JP-rf8rr
7 жыл бұрын
is there a show where this happens? I'll watch it
@Hightied
7 жыл бұрын
The closest I know of is a made for TV movie starring Lee Majors and Jack Elam. It's about a Viking rescue mission that returns to the new world for those that were left behind. Lots of fighting with the Indians.
@weirdshibainu
7 жыл бұрын
Joshua Plyman I'll start writing it...opening scene...viking ships on the horizon. 2 native Americans are on a cliff watching the arrival. one turns to the other..." I hope they don't discover we have oil, or we'll really be screwed"
@Kunumbah1
7 жыл бұрын
+weirdshibainu Have you finished it?
@giannipinotto4193
7 жыл бұрын
good one
@matthewprice8362
7 жыл бұрын
so basically they just eventually assimilated into the natives but with immunity to European diseases and with European technology
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Yup! Thanks for watching! :-)
@offgridmanpolktn
7 жыл бұрын
Phrenomythic Two contradictions to your alternative spread of Norse genetics and technology for me. First off the America's were as densely populated or more so than Europe at the time of the arrival of the Europeans. But this population was made up of hundreds of individual tribe's and thousands of sub groups that were in constant conflict over territory and resources. So integration could not spread as far and fast before arrival of Columbus. Next it wasn't just smallpox that decimated the indigenous population. At the start it was primarily venereal diseases, and what we consider common colds and flu's along with the introduction of rat's and fleas, after a century or two smallpox just finished off the mass die off. So these would have still been brought by the Norse with the same affect, just spread from the north more so than the south. This was the helping cause for the survival of the Plymouth colonies, because illness decimated local tribes 2-3 decades earlier. So what you picture could have spread maybe as much as eastern Canada, but the insularity of the Iroquois tribes in the NE US would have slowed it down. So yes the map's of North America and spheres of influence by different European countries would have been different, but not enough to totally stop the Spanish /Portuguese (with some French) influence from the South.
@clearz3600
7 жыл бұрын
Richard phillips n
@driesroelvink6982
7 жыл бұрын
Matthew Price They wouldn't have european technology, during the time of the vikings Europe wasnt as technologicly advanced as they were in 1492
@TheOneBadAssGamer
7 жыл бұрын
and they became mongols
@thewoollyviking5928
7 жыл бұрын
despite the christianization of the Norse, I would imagine that many Pagans would flock to North America to worship the Gods in peace, what that would have been if Europeans came and found thriving Norse colonies still practicing Paganism.
@ShadowWolfRising
7 жыл бұрын
Just like the Protestants of England. .........God just imagine it, a Mostly Native American United States who worship the Germanic Gods. .............Someone needs to make a game about that.
@thewoollyviking5928
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, some Norse-American people to play as in an elder-scrolls esque open world, can you imagine a quest line where these people still retain the secrets to build Drakkar ship and forging crucible steel, going off and raiding Spain as it reaps off the wealth of the Aztecs, or to go off and raid the aztecs along the coast and cut out the middleman, I would love to see how traditional native american culture would mix in with Norse Paganism, I better write this down...
@1503nemanja
7 жыл бұрын
Leif Erikson and his group were Christian. Neat idea though.
@giannipinotto4193
7 жыл бұрын
who knows what kind of new religions could have been born ...
@thewoollyviking5928
7 жыл бұрын
I wish I had a group of trained developers whenever people have a good idea for a game and an alternate history rpg would be an interesting change of pace since it would stand out from games following similar ideas like Fallout.
@JP-rf8rr
8 жыл бұрын
also the Vikings could introduce a writing system to north America using runes helping them maintain knowledge that otherwise could have been lost
@Phrenotopia
8 жыл бұрын
Well, I did cover this in the video. But instead of runes, that were largely used ceremonially, I opted for the Latin script, as many Vikings were converting to Christianity and with that came the Bible.
@bartdebot1589
7 жыл бұрын
Joshua Plyman the runic script is not very usefull for writing the Native languages, and they would likely adopt the latin script instead
@ByetuNel
7 жыл бұрын
But they were forced into Christianity, much like the natives in America. So unless it was Harald Bluetooth, I wouldn't assume that they'd bring Christianity with them. But this video totally touched on the idea of native americans not being killed off by European colonization and vikings not being chased to the ends of the earth just to be killed or converted.
@JP-rf8rr
7 жыл бұрын
+Byetu Nel its a mixed bag, some converted out of convenience, some from force, some were genuine. whether or not Vikings would teach Christianity would be a roll of the dice.
@MrChickennugget360
7 жыл бұрын
actually lots of Norse converted to Christianity freely. but it mainly appealed to the very lower class or the very high levels of society. Christianity is a more peaceful in general and is a popular option for the poor and slave classes, while the very wealthy get better contacts with the Rest of Europe and can better reign in on their subjects using the power of the organized Church. Christianity at this time is highly centralized and is good for maintaining rule.
@nowhereman6019
7 жыл бұрын
I want this to have happened SO much more than what really happened.
@isakmagnusson07
5 жыл бұрын
We all do
@docducttape9270
5 жыл бұрын
@@isakmagnusson07 No we don't
@ninurtathricemajestic7179
5 жыл бұрын
100% NOT WHITE he’s not talking about outsiders like you.
@jonathanmillner
5 жыл бұрын
Would be a more colorful world in some ways, no? America/Canada are basically cultural cousins to most Europeans for the last 200 years. In this scenario, you would have on the east coast, some clear white/native mix and on the interior, nomadic horse peoples that would actually get up to decent population with the introduction of the horse. At the same time in Mexico and South America, where they were probably previously more developed, the horse, would probably only slowly be brought southward. You'd see probably a couple great civilizations kind of arise in north america I bet that could culturally rival anything of the Incas, Mayas, Aztecs etc...
@jmbarts6790
5 жыл бұрын
Does not matter humans will always kill others opinions and way of life. Pretty fucked up if you ask me. But who cares .
@GAZAMAN93X
7 жыл бұрын
huh? I thought I was on Alternate History Hub......
@RaeMachiavelli
7 жыл бұрын
I thought I was on Porn Hub...
@Kolroling
7 жыл бұрын
Poke'a'hon'th'ass
@GAZAMAN93X
7 жыл бұрын
Kolroling *Strokahontus... it's the name of a Pornstar. Lol
@GAZAMAN93X
7 жыл бұрын
Abe Lincoln LMAO
@nismojutsu
7 жыл бұрын
Cody rules!
@tabinekoman
5 жыл бұрын
You hear the crying from the ocean, the drum, and then with slow native chant become lauder.. "For Odin!" Berserker jump with warband on his head.
@adrian7856
4 жыл бұрын
these vikings were Christian but ok
@vinfacts11
8 жыл бұрын
Well, Greenland is part of North America and it had a Norse colony, and later Danish claim. so Technically Vikings stayed in North America.
@Phrenotopia
8 жыл бұрын
Or rather: They came back, though no longer as Vikings. :-)
@mopoerapesminecraft
7 жыл бұрын
wasn't the Aztecs in decline before Europeans arrived?
@vinfacts11
7 жыл бұрын
anon anon Unrelated but yea
@BloodofPatriots
7 жыл бұрын
The Aztecs were absolutely in decline before the Europeans arrived.
@julpenni834
7 жыл бұрын
Except this is wrong, the first Europeans who discovered north america (leifur heppni) lived in iceland, the only stopped in greenland
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
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@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
+warrick tran: Thanks, though I never claimed that he did.
@timcuencaaarum2690
7 жыл бұрын
Hands down, that pronouncation of such names like Eriksson was almost perfect, very impressive for a non-native
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Knowing Dutch and Danish fluently probably helps a little. :-)
@tomviktorsson5052
6 жыл бұрын
I remember reading or watching some documentary about some native American tribes actually carried viking DNAs, and or looking very mixed with European at the time of European discovered America . But they were in very small numbers.
@joshuahickman2682
5 жыл бұрын
This acually makes me wish that it actually happened.
@DISTurbedwaffle918
7 жыл бұрын
"Look at me in steel armor and sword!!" *gets shot*
@msmith120
7 жыл бұрын
Columbus met by Native American Vikings. Glorious.
@MrGrimm-eo5lc
4 жыл бұрын
Heh
@Goldrunner1169
4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@og1ie
6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this fantasy. I have thought along these lines, many many times. Thanks for letting me , not be alone on this one.
@upandatom
7 жыл бұрын
This was awesome! I love your channel :) you've got such a high view count for a new channel! Keep up the great work :)
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I have been at it for some time now and had a slow start, but this particular video is breaking all the records! I hope some of my other videos get more views too... I like your channel too, which I think has got a lot of potential. It has got a very clear concept with consistency and you're a great presenter! :-)
@upandatom
7 жыл бұрын
aww thank you so are you! I love your accent :) adds personality. I think alternate ending theories are so fascinating and you need a lot of imagination and logic to come up with them :)
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, my imagination is running wild most of the time. Fortunately, there is just enough logic and rationality to reign it in a bit. Glad to hear my accent is a plus. It can be a bit of a struggle sometimes. :-)
@feynstein1004
7 жыл бұрын
Fancy seeing you here :)
@MechanicWolf85
7 жыл бұрын
american viking? that sounds cool
@loke2860
7 жыл бұрын
Kael 93 it sounds awful.
@erikthomsen4768
3 жыл бұрын
I can just imagine Christopher Columbus setting foot in the Americas, only to be chased off by Indian Vikings on horseback.
@mal_3157
3 жыл бұрын
Canadian Vikings
@alasuinubouge8481
2 жыл бұрын
Bottom line / First Nations would have never gotten along with Scandinavians
@CienCarasWC3
5 жыл бұрын
Hmm.. Aztecs with steel macuahuitls and chainmail + Ichcahuipilli armor. Yes please!
@joeyjamison5772
6 жыл бұрын
Vikings vs. Indians: At first, I thought it was an inter MLB/NFL event!
@findernightrose
7 жыл бұрын
1. Greenland would not have faded if they had colonized Vinelande. Even if it couldn't be used all the time it would still have been used as a way station. Also Norse hearing about good land which isn't over populated and if they could find land away from the native population would have came over in increased numbers as they did inIceland. This would not have stop either. Isolation would not have happened. Also with prolonged contact you would have other European nations coming sooner most likely. I think the only thing you might get to change is that just perhaps with slower Norse migration you might be able to introduce small pox earlier and thus giving the natives more time to come back. Also again with the spread of Norse tech to the natives earlier and again assuming only a couple hundred years of an advanced "age of discovery" both a better immunity and a slightly better tech may have changed things. All depending on how the Norse decided to colonize or dominate local. I think if you look at the history of the Norse in Ireland and how they dominated Ireland during the Viking age you may have them doing things simular in North America. Of course the Norse were being Christianized during this period which again put a lot of questions to their changing society and how they may act.
@wach9191
7 жыл бұрын
Immunity to disease and technology, have not protected Africans and Asians from colonisation.
@jokester3076
7 жыл бұрын
The Norse could have settled large uninhabitated islands and avoided the natives.
@MrChickennugget360
7 жыл бұрын
Yes it did, while Africa and Asia often were turned into Coloneys they were not "replaced" Remember Africa only became colonized in the 1800s after Europe was becoming industrialized. Asia was only partly colonized, with China, Japan and Siam remaining independent. the Conquest of the Amerias helped Europe advance, and was a "blue print" for later conquests and world domination.
@1503nemanja
7 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I think that if Vikins stuck around longer and realized just how vast and more importantly, how far into warmer climes the land spread there would be a huge drive to colonize it. There would be a huge incentive to maintain a link to the old country. Likewise the other Europeans would soon catch on to what was happening and send expeditions too. Maybe even the Muslims would join in, at this time they were in a more liberal and prosperous phase. He was a bit too biased in favour of the natives. Which makes sense, it makes for a better alternate scenario. And they would be hardier due to the the slower influx of Europeans and the less radical tech differences but they would likely be the losers in the end. The end result would probably be colonization but the populations in most of the Americas would remain native, kinda like Africa of our timeline.
@Lupostehgreat
7 жыл бұрын
1503nemanja Yup, and when those more advanced kingdoms began to show up in North America, who knows what happens. The Irish were eventually able to push The Nords back under Brian Boru, but when Strongbow showed up with a couple of thousand English Knights hoistong heavy cavalry, the poor Irish natives carrying around iron age tech and tactics were quickly routed. Most native civs used tactics not that dissimilar from the Irish. It likely would not have been as dramatic as the gunpowder age due to the sheer numbers Europeans could field in battle at that time, but it could be exacerbated by the possibility of the Turkish Empire seeing an opportunity to gain land in the new world. Imagine the chaos which could occur if converted Christian natives and converted Muslim nations began to come into conflict with one another? History would certainly play out far different. I don't know if we're ever going to see the Iroquis Confederation form in this new era of increased conflict.
@malohn2068
6 жыл бұрын
Had the vikings stayed the world would've been better. Lel free education with what, 10% more taxes. I say its a tradeoff worth it
@Phrenotopia
6 жыл бұрын
Uhm... I am not sure it works that way, but I appreciate the sentiment.
@chaisebird2483
3 жыл бұрын
No
@alasuinubouge8481
2 жыл бұрын
you grew up and we’re taught the wrong way.
@Thomas_Oklahoma
7 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but I doubt that a Viking colony could colonize deep into the Americas. Around 1,000 years ago, the farther one travels south, the more sophisticated the Indigenous Nations become. Along the Eastern Coast of what is now the USA and along the Great Lakes region was the home of many well organized democratic confederacies such as the Powhatan and Iroquois confederacies. The Mississippian Culture was a huge civilization with interconnected kingdoms and chiefdoms that had a trade network that spanned from the Great Lakes region to the Gulf of Mexico. This was a Civilization that had standing armies, powerful monarchies, advanced farming, astronomy, mathematics and city planning. The Mississippian Weaponry consisted of bows and arrows, battle axes and spears made of copper, obsidian and flint. Go into the Gulf area, those Tribal Nations were seafaring people with boats as large as the Vikings, and could initial a huge attack on the Vikings by showering them with thousands of super sharp and flaming arrows raining down on them constantly. Than we have the MesoAmerican Civilizations such as the Aztecs who basically rivaled the Roman Empire, and some Mayan Kingdoms still standing. Once any of these Nations viewed the Vikings as a threat, the Vikings would have been easily wiped out. These Indigenous Nations wouldn't have tolerated a Viking colonization attempt. But if the Vikings wanted to trade with the Natives while respecting them, than the Vikings would have just been included with in their trade networks.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your interesting feedback! You bring up a lot of interesting points that I will try to use in the follow up video that I am working on. If you watch my entire video, you will see that I do not actually expect the Vikings to colonize deep into the Americas. Rather, I imagine an amalgamated culture that combines the best of both worlds. I reckon Eurasian innovations as well as genes would spread like rings in the water, as well as resistance to diseases. This would especially strengthen the already existing civilizations in the Americas, giving the Indigenous peoples a better chance against the later European colonization attempts. #commentsuggestion
@boycotgugle3040
7 жыл бұрын
Flaming arrows are not used, except for by Hollywood. Sorry, dude. But apart from that, why picture only a conflict-laden colonisation by Scandinavians? There was plenty of land, why should they not have been cooperating, like the Mayflower folks later allegedly have?
@Thomas_Oklahoma
7 жыл бұрын
Mostly arrows with some flame arrows was used by the Natchez and other Mississippians to defeat and expel the De Sota Expedition off the Mississippi River, which belong to the Mississippian Nations. Flame Arrows were certainly used by Native People.
@Thomas_Oklahoma
7 жыл бұрын
Cortez used "disease" and 100,000 Native allies against the Aztecs after he held the Aztec Emperor captive for some time. Cian thinks he deserves a metal for having white skin, lol,
@ohdangitsbbq
7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Oklahoma wrong, first of all, here we go, "white skin" not all Europeans were white. The Spanish and Portuguese for example, had a much darker skin, and a big part of them were originally colonized by Arabics. Being European doesn't automatically mean you're white. Second of all, the Spanish didn't just bring diseases, they brought tons and tons of cavalry, the Spanish Empire, alongside the British Empire, completely overwhelmed the Mayans, Aztecs, and other Aboriginal Tribes. Not only that, but they were tactically superior, and were much more advanced. The Aboriginals did stand a chance, but it was very low, not just because of the Europeans, but also, one of the key reasons why the Natives were taken out, was because, they were all spread out thin. Much like the Jedi Order in Star Wars, the Aboriginals were too far apart, and were spread completely thin, with communication being down, and the tribes and tribal camps distanced from each other, something like this was bound to happen, and was almost inevitable, with even some knowledge of the topic, the Natives were going to be overrun, and like I said, tactically, they were unadvanced, due to communicational efforts lacking of success, and, they weren't really strong together, why? Because the Natives weren't used to armies, and militants, and empires, they were only used to survival, which did get them a good start, but by the end, were completely overrun. Not only that, but each tribe were different. The Native tribes were rivals, and actually fought and killed each other for land, food, shelter, clothing, and even beliefs. So, an attack wouldn't be too difficult, especially in a case like this. Overall, demoting Europeans for having white skin, is technically racist, however I'm not just calling you out, I disagree with Cian too. The Europeans were powerful, and were a highly advanced race, but personally, advanced or not, I don't believe any race is superior, I believe we are all equal, and it should stand that way, Cian kind of sounded like a white supremacist when he said that lol.
@silvertheelf
5 жыл бұрын
The European colonists were also much less nature friendly, but the Vikings would learn to respect the environment instead of harming it.
@fritzsalzmann
7 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, "The Art of the Deal" had not been written yet, when they tried to befriend the Indians.
@FromNothing
7 жыл бұрын
Great video man. I subscribed. You have a pretty good channel going here. Well deserved 233k views. I'm thinking of delving deeper into the alternate history spectrum myself.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, buddy! And the same to you! Part 2 of this particular video is on its way soon, so look out for that one. Also look forward to that other video idea I mentioned to you on your own channel. BTW I was hoping I could ask you for some advice on that one, because you seem to know a lot about the subject. :-)
@Motofanable
6 жыл бұрын
Fuck yea, you are the best :) Still i have to criticize about the video, you have forgot that norse were good sailors and merchant, and would have probably traded with mesoamerica. Still the best prediction,
@Phrenotopia
6 жыл бұрын
@David Pusnik Just wait for my part 2 coming up very soon, then! :-)
@bearofthunder
7 жыл бұрын
It is fun to speculate, but some people believe that some of the vikings that settled there actually joined native american tribes and assimilated. I guess this theory can now be checked with genetic testing, but also if some vikings assimilated into tribes, these tribes may habe been wiped out completely by now.... so I guess we may never know.
@TokyoBalletReprise
6 жыл бұрын
btfication No
@thesovietvorona1007
2 жыл бұрын
Four years late but the Finnish Vikings did assimilate with a tribe.
@davidking6242
7 жыл бұрын
this is based on the assumption that the viking culture is the one that dominates the natives. who's to say the vikings assimilate into the native cultures and largely abandon their own?
@kakibackup2koujo612
7 жыл бұрын
kwadwo baidoo why would they
@Triumph263
7 жыл бұрын
Because the Vikings had iron, horses, farming, writing, and armor among other technologies that the native Americans could not compete with (how often does the conqueror assimilate?). Not to mention that with a constant influx of Vikings any Viking->native American assimilation would be much lower than native American -> Viking. Don't get me wrong, there would be cultural exchanged both ways (e.g. the local Norse language would probably take on a lot of native American loan words, and they would probably add to their mythology with native American beliefs) it would be mostly one way.
@foxymetroid
7 жыл бұрын
Could not compete with? The Norse tech of the time wasn't so much more advanced that the natives couldn't adapt to it. Heck, later European arrivals found the natives to be a nightmare to get rid of and that was after the Spanish almost accidentally wiped them all out with measles, small pox, and other fun diseases. And by all, I mean ALL. And on both continents.
@anonb4632
7 жыл бұрын
The Spanish had guns but the Norse didn't. The Norse also had a smaller population base than Spain to colonise with.
@chimucapac8683
7 жыл бұрын
THE AZTEC , MAYAS HAD WRITING , TECHNOLOGIES, CULTURE , AND INCAS HAD FARMING , GOLD , ETC
@maccrazy9961
5 жыл бұрын
Well, his name was actually Leif Erikson
@2victorr
7 жыл бұрын
Do more vids with Alternate time lines! Love it!
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
They will be coming! I have plenty of ideas in queue in any case. :-)
@Rokkoasas
7 жыл бұрын
Loved the video, nice pass time and its well made, subbed!
@RickyBobby20413
6 жыл бұрын
Would be very difficult transporting horses in Viking boats to North America and if possible it'd be more likely small ponies like the Shetland rather that full sized horses.
@simonetiberi75
3 жыл бұрын
A great idea for an alternate history tv show.
@MrChristianDT
7 жыл бұрын
As you got further in, I think a general misunderstanding of native culture may have thrown you off a bit. I doubt, even with horses, vikings ever could have successfully colonized that far into the country- despite the fact that natives, honestly, would normally welcome in any group that followed their rules. Plus, there were two other massive civilizations in between the east coast & the Mesoamericans at that time. They would have ushered in a golden age for the entire continent if they even made it as far as the Mississippi River. And you're missing the fact that the Aztecs (or, possibly, their predecessors) did accidentally invent bulletproof armor at some point, so their technology was actually better than the Europeans in that respect.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
I am a bit confused by what you're trying to say. It was not so much the Vikings themselves, as parts of their culture and technology that migrated in this scenario. I do agree with the oversight of the Mississippian and other cultures. I am also intrigued by the bullet proof armour of the Aztecs that you mention, which may become in handy when Europeans arrived later with guns. I will try to incorporate these and other things in a follow-up video I am conceiving of at the moment.
@MrChristianDT
7 жыл бұрын
Oh. I did not get that. But, on the bulletproof armor-- I don't know exactly when it came into play, but when Cortez went to war with them, the Spanish found out, much to their horror, that gunfire didn't really do much of any damage. They later found out it was because of the armor vests they were wearing into battle which were literally just rough-spun cotton sheets papermachaed together with salt water & sun dried. They started to implement it themselves afterward & it's the ancestor to all bulletproof armor we use today.
@Phrenotopia
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris! I am putting your suggestion in my upcoming video, but have a hard time finding good sources on the bulletproof-capabilities of the Aztec armour. Have you got anything you can refer or link to? #commentsuggestion
@nathanspencer1238
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for including links of your resources. I loved the picture selection.
@grindstone4910
7 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the first interactions between the Norse and Natives involving trade? The Norse chieftain forbade his men to trade their weapons with the Natives, and when the Natives tried to get "grabby", they cut them down. At least, that's what I had read.
@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken
7 жыл бұрын
I read they didn't want to trade the weapons in general and one or more (can't remember if it was one or a few as it's been awhile) Indians decided to try and run off with the weapons, which lead to the conflict and cutting down.
@Daylon91
7 жыл бұрын
Ajix except the skraelings (native ppl) were able to defend their land against viking colonization. Unlike Europe who were raided all the time by the vikings
@Daylon91
7 жыл бұрын
Ajix well the natives were savage fighters as well...and the vikings weren't very peaceable and bit off more then they could chew
@Daylon91
7 жыл бұрын
Ajix if that were true they would have colonized America but they said it would be constant fighting with the skraelings. Since first impressions are important the vikings screwed the pooch on that one
@Daylon91
7 жыл бұрын
Ajix we didn't colonize no that was what an invader does...we simply spread out to different tribes. The tribes were always at war with each other so it's not like war was new and natives were fierce as well...the Europeans and vikings both called the natives savages...we fought brutally as well...the vikings were quite quickly christianized and thus became the Normans adopting a new life in Christ while still fighting bit the natives fought off white incursion for hundreds of years
@bernielordofcynder182
7 жыл бұрын
"these American Vikings" *Shows football emblem* that got me 😂
@FlamingAtheist
7 жыл бұрын
In other words a more badass timeline
@friendpelle
7 жыл бұрын
This was a really cool video. Props for that my man.
@gustavovillegas6701
8 жыл бұрын
Great vid!
@Phrenotopia
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, buddy! :-D
@PhilosoShysGameChannel
4 жыл бұрын
we think you're being remarkably too generous in this and, as of writing this comment, there are some definite discoveries we've made in the last half decade that change the state of things in this vid but it's very entertaining! We're writing a setting around this concept in the background and love getting other opinions on things! Thanks a bunch for the sub! Always good to have a fellow intellectual join the group! ^^
@Phrenotopia
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Not sure what you're referring to, though. Generous to whom precisely? The norse, the natives or humans in general?
@PhilosoShysGameChannel
4 жыл бұрын
@@Phrenotopia Certainly in general but we can't actually fault THAT, as history is a woobly subject! We think the idea of peace between the natives and the norse right away and the hybrid culture idea is too generous, though. The norse, in what writings we have, were scathingly contemptuous of the "Screaming wretches" and one can imagine that they might hoard things like horses and metal to themselves once they had the advantage. The Natives themselves also were recorded to have attacked after perfectly reasonable trade had gone by. The norse gave them cheese and they came back angry. There are, simply put, certain factors between the norse and natives that would have made for.... VERY rough establishment. Of course the entire subject is MUCH broader than could be summed up in a couple vids so it's not a big thing and why we mentioned that it was really fun watching all the same!
@Phrenotopia
4 жыл бұрын
@@PhilosoShysGameChannel - Well, my approach to alternate history is to find and follow better case scenarios like I also do in my South Africa video. However, apart from the fact that I don't subscribe to the kind of historical determinism and generalizations that you're implying, my scenario is not really that far-fetched nor implausible, actually. There are plenty of examples that show that, overall, people want to get along and merge into new and (initially) diverse communities. I guess what I'm really wondering is whether you, in contrast, perhaps rather want to believe that history is a zero-sum game.
@PhilosoShysGameChannel
4 жыл бұрын
@@Phrenotopia we certainly don't think that it's impossible to think that this sorta thing could happen. We're writing a story scenario about such a timeline, after all. Just think it'd certainly be rough at first and that societies that find they have certain overwhelming advantages aren't immediately want to let them get out. The Dutch glassmakers under the supervision of Joseph Fraunhofer and those before him, for example, were able to squirrel away the secrets of high quality optical glass for a couple centuries before it got out. It would be easy for the norse in their stone houses, steel armor, with their strong animals and superior seacraft to lord over the natives for a while and their generally norse centric law structures might breed xenophobia at first. We don't think that any of these things are deal breakers especially if news back home were positive enough but we felt it needed saying. We don't believe that history is a Zero sum gain, for the record. It's just an extremely complex equation that isn't always apparent from the lay perspective. Do try to trust that we still like your work regardless of any criticism we may throw at it! We wouldn't have bothered with a comment at all if we didn't like it xP
@PhilosoShysGameChannel
4 жыл бұрын
@@Phrenotopia haven't seen your other vids yet.... YET! Just discovered y ou u when yeu subbed to our channel! Thanks again for that!
@infinitetundra
7 жыл бұрын
3:11 Vikings Vs Redskins
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Glad someone noticed! :-)
@kd1306
4 жыл бұрын
Smart redskins
@keineahnungundso...3589
8 жыл бұрын
Good Video! Keep it up!
@Phrenotopia
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I will try my very best. Many interesting video's are in the pipeline. Please do also check out some of my other vids! :-)
@juanperez-jk9vu
7 жыл бұрын
There's a theory that says the vikings traveled all the way to Argentina because there were tribes of white people before the spanish colonists arrived.
@vulturearmy3780
7 жыл бұрын
juan perez LOL
@noamias4897
7 жыл бұрын
OlaD Dorle I choose to believe you because of how cool it'd be
@jacobgarcia6760
7 жыл бұрын
Apache have a legend a white giant warrior that they took into the tribe long before colombus. Explains the random blue eyes
@ANJROTmania
7 жыл бұрын
>Argentina is WHITE! Lol this meme always cracks me up
@juanperez-jk9vu
6 жыл бұрын
ANJROTmania I didn't make that comment with that intention but whatever.
@Kenzofeis
7 жыл бұрын
There are some old stories about this over there, how the coastal people (eskimo/inuit) was not unfriendly, but the inland "indians" was - and they would sometimes attack the eskimo/inuit, too. One story is about an expedition of foreigners with a big canoe went up a river, was attacked constantly and got sick, so they had to give up.
@tmapaman7080
7 жыл бұрын
The Vikings were vastly more advanced than the native americans, the only reason they left was because of the sheer numbers of native americans that were attacking
@kakibackup2koujo612
7 жыл бұрын
TheNorskViking exactly hail Scandinavia
@FriendlierFetus
7 жыл бұрын
Også fordi det ikke var noe poeng med å forbli i Vinland. Den eneste resursen de fikk nytte av der; var tre.
@1NFERN0HD
7 жыл бұрын
Even if hundreds of Vikings returned they would still be outnumbered and beaten. The Norse men found the Natives barbaric and intimidating. The natives would also be adept at utilizing the forest and rivers for ambushes.
@loke2860
7 жыл бұрын
nativo Americano a JARL easy kill 4 or 5 natives solo
@VALDIGNE
6 жыл бұрын
Scandinavia should have kept sending waves of settlers, just like the Greeks did in South of Italy and colonize the whole coastline.
@KarlMarkyMarxx
4 жыл бұрын
Needs more views. Very cool video.
@Phrenotopia
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@TheCutePyro
7 жыл бұрын
I think indigenous tribes in the Americas assimilated by the Norse who could actually compete with the Europeans would make a more interesting story than Europeans just dominating the Americas.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
I agree and am currently working on that story! :-)
@libertymadness9812
4 жыл бұрын
I read that Viking settled here for a short while and traded with Native Americans until an angry cow going on a rampage “bellowed” and the native Americans believed it was a threat so they came to the Vikings with a bunch of warriors and fought. Vikings decided to leave after that
@realism51
7 жыл бұрын
Firstly, Vikings did stay in the Americas. Dna testing has found Scandinavian ancestry in some native Americans. Secondly, distance makes it very difficult to maintain a base.
@realism51
7 жыл бұрын
Amen. Historically, "civilized nations" have often refused to accept the truth and instead seek to impose their own truth. Sad fact - history is written and promoted by the powerful and 'victorious'. Makes one wonder what the real facts of history truly are.
@jamesgeary4294
8 жыл бұрын
great video man. An interesting alternate scenario.
@Phrenotopia
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you and thanks for subscribing and commenting! :-D
@jamesgeary4294
8 жыл бұрын
+Phrenomythic No problem. you should keep making videos like this.
@Phrenotopia
8 жыл бұрын
I most certainly will! :-) Note that I will also make video's on some of my other topics like movie symbolism and extraterrestrial life, if that's your cup of tea.
@dutchministryofdefence604
7 жыл бұрын
the Vikings would never be Christian HAHA!!!! we could protect the natives against the infidel hordes
@user-ft3jq5vi2l
5 жыл бұрын
Some christian dude: let's evangelise this land! Viking-Indian coalition: *DIE!* Christian dude: excuse me WTF
@user-ft3jq5vi2l
5 жыл бұрын
Some christian dude: let's evangelise this land! Viking-Indian coalition: *DIE!* Christian dude: excuse me WTF
@wessew8610
4 жыл бұрын
no they would be used as slaves like it should be
@adrian7856
4 жыл бұрын
Vikings of this period were Christian, including the vikings in America, leif erikson was himself a very religious Christian. Go back to school kid
@wessew8610
4 жыл бұрын
@@adrian7856 there were no vikings in America
@AlltNorrOmAleArNorrland
7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! Thank U!
@mwsoupy
7 жыл бұрын
I really like that you didn't say that the viking would have ransacked all the indigenous people just like the christians did. I think the vikings if they had stayed would have gotten along better with the indians because of their more similar lifestyle and religion. Plus the viking never believed that a magic sky fairy gives them the right to take the whole world. They raided for greedy reason not altruistic reasons, which would have made co operating with the natives sound more appealing than kill them off.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes, some commenters here seem to assume that the Vikings would never cooperate, but Norse society was actually quite complex. Most people were actually not raiders, i.e. Vikings in the true sense of the word, but farmers and traders.
@mwsoupy
7 жыл бұрын
Yes of course, I understand why you used vikings as the expression for nordic people, because people aren't smart enough to discern norse people from vikings. There culture had a huge clash with the christians because of the way christians acted, christians thought they were more benevolent than them, they considered the norse peoples way of life punishable by painful death. its no wonder the vikings savagely fucked up the christians, and it's no wonder that christians wrote only bad things about them. If per say the early Romans had interacted with vikings, they would have been painted in a much better light.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
It is true that there is a distinction between "norse" and "vikings", where the latter is rather an occupation of the former being the people, but in modern day usage these two have become conflated. I saw an interesting lecture on KZitem where it was pointed out that Norse society was actually highly moral in their own way. Theft was considered an outrage and a dishonour, but raiding was a normal thing to do for a young lad before settling down. Raiding was considered honourable, because raider and raidee would fight it out fair and square. This focus on fighting probably made the Norse such renowned warriors. Of course, Christianization brought a different moral and is arguably what led to the decline of the Viking age.
@mwsoupy
7 жыл бұрын
first, i can believe you replied twice in one comment...subbed now fur sure, thats dope. Second, yes the vikings where moral and i would argue leaps more moral. Norse people had a the standard golden rule laws just like everyone else, but the difference between the norse and the christians is how they treat each other. Christians have a history of brutally killing each other for no real reason, forcing themselves and other people to live a certain way. Norse people only killed each other over things that were actually bad, and it's seems that there life was live and let live. Wouldn't you agree that is more moral than medieval fascism?
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Well, that''s what you get for coming with interesting feedback! Thanks! :-D I am no fan of the staunch Christianity that took over Europe in the aptly named Dark Ages and I agree that the intolerance it brought along was in many ways a turn for the worse. On the other hand, when reflecting on history, I sometimes wonder if it was not a necessary stage somehow. Viking society, though noble in some ways and brutal in others, was a last remnant of the Late Iron age. Christian morality was multi-faceted and did also bring along a more universal sense of "love thy neighbour" and "thou shalt not kill", though its application was highly hypocritical. It took a bloody Thirty-Years' War for people to realise that maybe it is not a good idea to kill off each other in the name of religion. Still, I wonder how far we would have gotten instead if the library of Alexandria had not been burnt down a final time by Christian fanatics. A scenario I will surely make a video on at some stage. :-)
@theodorewurz8424
7 жыл бұрын
They wouldn't have Iron just because the Viking culture established itself. All the Iron brought from Scandinavia would have rusted and been useless, and the ore to produce more iron wouldn't have been readily available to the North Americans because it is tough to get iron without modern equipment in North America. Even if they did, the Spanish were using steel weapons by the 15th century which were much superior to iron. REGARDLESS of that though, disease was by far the major killer of the indigenous peoples and even if they were exposed to 8th and 9th century Scandinavia, I doubt the immunities would have developed to protect them. So while things may have been a little different, I doubt they would have been very different.
@G博远
7 жыл бұрын
Theodore Wurz disease was the major efect to European win this land. Without disease, America are suppose, in the worst scenarios, iguacu Africa. Where the people was colonized, but still of the same millennium heritage of before of europeans
@cymraegpunk1420
7 жыл бұрын
Theodore Wurz the understanding of European cultures and ideas of ownership might also have stopped the natives being duped out of land in the sane way however
@faarsight
7 жыл бұрын
LOL. One of the major archeological finds that have been found from Vikings in north America was a Norse mining operation. The Norse were already making iron during the short time they were there. Making iron isn't hard, especially when all the easily accessible iron ore (such as bog iron) hasn't already been utilized by earlier societies. Also the Norse had steel, not as high quality as 15th century Europeans, but still. In fact some of the best pre industrial steel ever found was in some Viking swords though that steel was probably imported.
@Tarantio1983
7 жыл бұрын
Theodore Wurz Steel is simply an alloy (blend/mixture) of IRON and carbon, the Vikings knew how to manufacture steel as early as the 700's (so did the Spanish) - the knowledge of metallurgy to the degree of producing steel was well known long before the rise of the Viking era (just ask Rome or ancient Greece)! And as to producing steel, the Vikings were pretty damned skilled ... just look at the Ulfburht blades and the Viking practice of pattern welding steel edges to iron cores (thus producing some of the finest swords seen in early medieval Europe)!
@anikii5814
7 жыл бұрын
Having a cavalry can greatly changed the course of the battle.
@GoldWingTV
7 жыл бұрын
Lol bro the natives weren't advanced at all. Even by the time we came, they hadn't gotten past the Stone Age.
@diegos5316
6 жыл бұрын
Gold WingTV they were pretty advance they new how grow crops, hunt, and make medicines the only thing they didn't have was gun powder and a strong enough imune system.
@mr.poopybutthole8761
6 жыл бұрын
Gopnik n did they even have metal
@hizkias2679
6 жыл бұрын
Mr. Poopybutthole actually, some native americans did have access to metal. there are quite a few copper artifacts from pre-colombian north america.
@rickj895
6 жыл бұрын
geat,great, video please make a part 2 and 3 . that rocked
@Phrenotopia
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Believe it or not, I have started editing part 2 as we write!
@rickj895
6 жыл бұрын
cant wait...
@imslackingrightnow9765
7 жыл бұрын
Subbed :) Also what program do you use to edit?
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I use Camtasia 9.
@Sebastian-un7sd
7 жыл бұрын
Great video, subbed!
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, buddy! :-)
@EternalEmperorofZakuul
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, they'd probably expand to the southwest, eventually encountering the Comanche and Aztec tribes
@ankelaostheweird905
7 жыл бұрын
Earned a sub.
@andythrust1
6 жыл бұрын
Fascinating theoretical scenario. Well considered. Subscribed.
@21mozzie
6 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@rolexbrabander9691
7 жыл бұрын
What timeline map of North American collnization did you use at 0:07?
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
The one on wikipedia.
@ILL1983
4 жыл бұрын
I was expecting this to go the usual way, but I was pleasantly surprised! An interesting thought I’d say.
@Skjalden
7 жыл бұрын
good video, keep it up.
@austintribble1674
7 жыл бұрын
there have been many things mentioned why the Newfoundland colony didnt suceed but, I never heard the one about Leif Erikson killing 2 people. ive heard there was a bull that got loose and ravaged a a nearby village, so they attacked the colony. I firmly believe it was just a misunderstanding. Small groups of vikings traded, not raided.
@treygonzalez5252
5 жыл бұрын
what image did you use for 1:13. So beautiful!
@RiveryJerald
7 жыл бұрын
Collumbus would be like "What the fuck? This is fuking bullshit"
@mathewmaheo4806
7 жыл бұрын
Would result in a group of finest and fiercest warrior people
@aquaviirousysgramiir3795
7 жыл бұрын
impressive video.
@paulee4927
4 жыл бұрын
Good video. One thing you did not mention: It could have happened with the Vikings like it had already happened in the 10th century with the Rus. The Vikings were responsible for establishing the so-called Novgorod/ (and later) Kievan Rus. Whereas they stayed the ruling house (see Rurikids) they were Slavised at least in the third generation. The same thing could have happened to the natives in North America.
@TheGreatestCommenter
7 жыл бұрын
If I heard about this video, I would of expected TheAlternateHistoryhub. I came from the knowledge hub by the way
@lookman-2844
6 жыл бұрын
You missed out Cabot's arrival in America from England. It is said English ships fished off the Canadian coast in the medieval era. Cabot heard of that and set sail before Columbus. One should also remember that King Edward the Confessor of England (1042-1066) was also overlord of Denmark.
@Phrenotopia
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information! That may be of use in a followup video. #commentsuggestion
@lookman-2844
6 жыл бұрын
N.P. There is also an Irish story about Saint Brendan using a coracle. irelandofthewelcomes.com/was-brendan-first-to-america/ The Vikings also founded Russia and ran the slave trade with Byzantium. .
@charmingmanny9004
7 жыл бұрын
Damn that ending was dope
@jeanethperez3369
6 жыл бұрын
The video is beautiful
@johnfox901
5 жыл бұрын
Most people in Latin America have a mixture of European and Indigenous origins. Over 90% of people in Mexico, Central America and Spanish speaking South America are Mestizos. There are also large numbers of Brazilians who are mixed, though many also have West African origins too. The big difference in English speaking North America is that many of the early waves of English speaking colonists arrived as religious communities including men, women and children. The Spanish, French and Portuguese were largely males who travelled to the Americas and had children with indigenous women. Later on, large numbers of European immigrants settled in Latin America as well but there was always a very large mixed race population. In Anglo North America the races were always separate in part because the first settlers brought women with them and there was no need to seek women among the original peoples.
@feynstein1004
7 жыл бұрын
I like this new timeline more than the one we're currently in. Any Historia Civilis subscribers here? I wonder what would have happened if the Romans had managed to get to Newfoundland.
@DogFoxHybrid
3 ай бұрын
It would probably be somewhat similar to conquest and conversion of the Baltic pagans that happened over a century prior to the start of the age of exploration.
@sumredpillgaysian2090
7 жыл бұрын
This should be a historical-fiction series and a tv series.
@koriharpoon2476
7 жыл бұрын
Finally a alternate history that is not bias towards American or Christian favoritism. I know Cody on Alternate History Hub does a great job, but his bias does show sometimes. But I your idea of Vikings converting to Christianity is off. This is suppose to take place in 1000 C.E. right? Also just because Pagans were forced to convert in Europe doesn't mean they would in North America. Anyway good video, much better than others I have seen. By the way I am a American of Swedish ancestry and my Great Grandmother was full blooded Native American.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! By the year 1000, Christianity was already well on its way in Scandinavia. But it is not certain that it would have prevailed in isolation on the North American continent. :-)
@patrickcummins79
7 жыл бұрын
This is Amazing! Metis Norse plains tribes horsemen taking on the Mexica armies of hundreds of thousands; macahuetls vs viking axes and migration era sword.. Most epic battle in history, you would have to imagine some Norse religion would have been incorporated too, not all Norse converted by the 1000s. The cultural exchange following the fall of Tenochtitlan would have been epic!
@Ilyas-ty6cy
7 жыл бұрын
Good video, its must be cool if this alternative concept becomes a video game. Like mix culture Indian Viking vs European settler...
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! Well, I am actually pondering on developing an online game myself that can accomplish things like that! So stay tuned! :-D
@notquam8672
7 жыл бұрын
(please don't sue me, history channel!) 🤣
@henrykkeszenowicz4664
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see an artwork of those alternate Norse American Cherokee knights someday.
@Ciabattaonions
5 жыл бұрын
In this scenario, Viking settlement in America (if they ever went to the mainland) would have been easy for the Vikings. Even on Newfoundland (known by the Vikings as Vinland, or Wineland) the Native population would be in decline due to disease, even from a few Vikings. If Vikings spread to the mainland to the east or south in Queben or New Brunswick, the Natives in those areas as well would be heavily affected by illness. However, the Vikings really didn't have the resources to do much more than small town around Newfoundland, hugging the coast. But, even the smallest exposure to European diseases would spread at least as far south as New England. The Native population would also start to rebound, and it wouldn't decline again when the French and English landed in North America (South America would have been roughly the same, sadly, as the diseases from Vinland wouldn't have spread that far south). So, Natives in the Northeast at least would have stood a chance against the colonies.
@Phrenotopia
5 жыл бұрын
It is actually not certain that Vikings would have carried over the diseases that were flourishing in the crowded cities of Europe and Asia five centuries later. See my next video on this topic.
@johnwattdotca
5 жыл бұрын
Vikings have stayed in northern Ontario. There is a community up there, seeing members during a trade show. There is a tribe of half-native, half Gaelic speaking natives, and other mixes with early European travelers. The English-French domination of Canada works hard to marginalize these communities, and that's so easy to do when these people want to remain apart from a disease causing urban "civilization". Bay-an-uck let, that's Gaelic for blessings on you. We still walk this earth.
@OblivionImperialGuard
7 жыл бұрын
I had a feeling he was going to say something about South Africa. When he said it i was shocked. 😂😂
@alasuinubouge8481
2 жыл бұрын
There’s has been words spoken and written by many elders that our people used to have trades, we were all pretty cool for a little while( do not know for how long) but it did not last long
@Karpaneen
7 жыл бұрын
I think the settlement in Greenland would have survived if the American settlements had. The problem in Greenland was mainly the lack of wood. Up till the 14th century Greendland got it's wood as shippings from Bergen. Around the 14th century when Norway started getting it's furs cheaper from Russia the trading between Greenland and Norway stopped. And that also killed the settelement. Had the American settlement, Vinland, existed they could have transported wood to Greenland in exchange for furs and walrus teeth.
@K9TheFirst1
7 жыл бұрын
Given the Vikings' culture of raiding and pillaging, I doubt that a Viking colony would expand quite as fast as speculated before getting pushed back by the natives, especially when they get cut off from getting more immigrants from Europe. That said, I can easily see them forming a Viking state in modern day New England and the Canadian Maritimes, with periodic periods of settlement down the eastern seaboard. Smallpox, as you said, would have a 50/50 shot at being a thing before 1492. And even if ironworking, cavalry, and swordsmanship became things across the continents, do recall the Iberian and Western European colonistshad something even the Vikings didn't have: Guns, which played a big role in making plate armor obsolete. Actually, in 1000AD, the most complicated form of armor around was chainmail, plate armor wouldn't be around until the 12th century. Either way, still quite interesting stuff.
@redwolf6407
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm going to meditate on this and maybe in some freakish awsome timeline this really have become realities, and the possibilities.
@grainassault4844
7 жыл бұрын
But how would that scenario change if some early settlers who returned to Greenland spread word of the New World all the way back to Iceland and Norway? What if Norwegian sailors established a sea route across the North Atlantic allowing them to constantly transfer information, things, and people between Norway and North America? Would other European countries join in and be able to truly colonize the Americas much earlier?
@DARKthenoble
7 жыл бұрын
here's one scenario do to the hostilities the viking decided to declare full on war on them annihilating the locals because this video scenario isn't something the Vikings typically did
@HojozVideos
7 жыл бұрын
Quite noticable accenr there. Are you Dutch?
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Yep! And if you're Dutch too, you might like this other video of mine: kzitem.info/news/bejne/sW6AzYmfp3Sjnn4
@user-yf9ku1tl6b
7 жыл бұрын
Imagine if History did take this path. It would've been a lot different from today.
@scoopersketchy
6 жыл бұрын
I think not if you've ever heard the saying "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" you know they don't stand a chance
@seanmccready9564
2 ай бұрын
The settlement of the centre of North America would have relied less on horses and more on canoes. The Vikings were a maritime people and would have been comfortable traveling on the Great Lakes to get into the continent.
@dervakommtvonhinten517
7 жыл бұрын
you missed one of the most important points. the europeans were worshipped as gods at first because some had blonde hair. thats why they werent slaughtered right at the start. but with vikings (who are much more likely to have several blonde people among their ranks) the natives would have already learned that they are no gods.
@loke2860
7 жыл бұрын
Derva Kommt von hinten vikings are gods ...
@myohmy9000
7 жыл бұрын
The Comanches would definitely be the Native American version of the Huns. By being shown to be aggressive with through historical incidents, having access to a faster way of travel through horses the probably migrated south from the migrating Viking/Native American mixed race, and being geographically close to the Aztec empire, I think the Comanches to the Aztecs would probably play the same role as to the Huns with the Romans. Just imagine what part they would play in they're culture as well...
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Comanches sure are a cool people, but they came into existence much later, in 1700, from cultures that appeared after the collapse of the Mississipian cultures, which again is related to European contact. So it would have to be some people that is similar, but with a different name.
@boycotgugle3040
7 жыл бұрын
Also, no horses until the Spanish brought some. Old school native Americans were all on foot.
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Well, yeah, but then I wonder if you've actually watched the entire video, as one of its points was the early introduction of horses by the Vikings.
@myohmy9000
7 жыл бұрын
Phrenomythic Thanks for responding and your other comments on this alternate timeline! To me it makes this more constructive. I guess I should do more research on Native American history... Also since the Native Americans are already introduced to European diseases, wouldn't the coming Europeans take the Native American/Scandinavians as slaves? They tried to do it in our timeline before they knew how vulnerable they were to European diseases, but since they are immune, they would be good in the European eyes for free labor. Also it's easier to just sack or do business with a smaller nation near your colony then to go through the process of importing African slaves. But at the same time it would be harder since they are better equipped and immune, so they're population won't go down either. It's probably not as good as other suggestions I heard in the comments, but it's just thought. You're awesome man
@Phrenotopia
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, buddy! I hadn't thought about slavery, but it is an interesting point that I will consider for the followup video I am working on. :-) #commentsuggestion
@truthspeaks1265
7 жыл бұрын
I like this, thanks.
@davidrubow8784
7 жыл бұрын
I like your vids I'll sub if you make more content like this
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