@MonsieurDean What countries you’ve ever been? and What country you’d like to visit?
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
@@doomi4055 I've been around most of North America, but I'd love to see the UK, Austria, Italy, and some of the Balkan states some day.
@nenenindonu
Жыл бұрын
Why did you make a 100% one-sided video ? Atrocities weren't only commited by Turks but also Greeks, no mention of any of that ofc
@msmith1890
Жыл бұрын
What are your views on Monarchies and why do you like Tsar Nicholas II so much?
@NathanAurelianus
Жыл бұрын
How have you been since the fall of the site?
@cloaker_1707
Жыл бұрын
5:44 minor error, Constantinople fell in 1453, not 1452.
@jeffthebovine4158
Жыл бұрын
Immersion ruined, now I have to neutralize my friends and family and go on the run as an international fugitive. I’m sorry man, I just gotta
@StalkerX426
Жыл бұрын
Ye
@JustAToeBee
Жыл бұрын
Wwhatifalthist's heart broke just because this video exists
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@xwc1322
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean I hope you rot in hell. Did you get 10000 USD from Greeks or something? Even If I was a Greek I couldn't be this biased when making a video.
@fatheadgaming3584
Жыл бұрын
Why?
@JustAToeBee
Жыл бұрын
@@fatheadgaming3584 because he is a hardcore Turkey fan
@fatheadgaming3584
Жыл бұрын
@@JustAToeBee lol
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
11:00 this is often forgotten, but after November 1920, virtually all of the allies of Greece betrayed it AND even stole its money that was stored in American and British banks for the duration of the war. If they had an issue with Constantine, they could have deposed him yet again. The real reason they changed sides was because, after satisfying their own needs by making gains in the Levant, they didn't care at all about the Greeks and Armenians.
@eidoneverchoosen1171
Жыл бұрын
Which was a mistake.
@youravaragetoxicmasculinem9508
Жыл бұрын
@@eidoneverchoosen1171 It is not because they didn't cared but they didn't had the money and the power to figth against Turks in their homeland which is very mountainus.
@eidoneverchoosen1171
Жыл бұрын
@@youravaragetoxicmasculinem9508 their also the fact the British primary didn't want any other European power to threaten their global hegemon,, co steering many European empires care only about getting more resource rich lands for themselves. This is why Europe great empires fell.
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
You don't "betray" a puppet (Greeks, Armenians, Arabs) You let it go. (British)
@OstasHs
Жыл бұрын
Turks did not have a chance had it not been for the bolsheviks, the Italians and the French. Yet even under those circumstances the Greeks could have handled Asia Minor but they were divided. Hence the salvation.
@RedXlV
Жыл бұрын
The situation in Greece shows that Venizelos made two key mistakes: 1. Never allow your figurehead king to be near monkeys. 2. When you depose a king, kill him. Otherwise he'll come back for his throne.
@DCCrisisclips
Жыл бұрын
Biggest thing is that you should never allow elections during war time
@JoshSullivanHistory
Жыл бұрын
I'M FINALLY FREE. But in all seriousness, thanks for having me on this month, this was awesome to do.
@hallelbimpong1901
Жыл бұрын
Your channel is amazing Josh
@muhammedtugra5943
Жыл бұрын
good stuff josh!
@bobbobb4804
Жыл бұрын
I’ve always loved your channel
@danielsantiagourtado3430
Жыл бұрын
Yes! More collaborations! Love you guys for the amazing work!
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
Monsieur 🤝 Josh
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
14:05 if Greece had taken over Ankara all by itself, it is very unlikely that the Treaty of Sevres would actually be enacted as had been initially signed. The treaty would be renegotiated, in a way that Greece would take more territory in Western Anatolia (most likely the regions of Mysia and Bithynia, which had large Greek populations) as well as North Eastern Anatolia, were the large Pontic Greek populations resided. Italy would also lose all of its possessions in Anatolia, as it had already made a separate agreement with Turkey, which allowed it to pass troops through the Italian zone, and Greece vowed to eliminate the Italian zone, even if it meant that Turkey would be given the land. And, after all that, it is more likely than not that Greece would attempt to take over Constantinople, to complete the Megali Idea
@1212Diablo
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that made me go "WHAT!?" Why would Greece ever go along with handing territory over to Italy? Massive L there.
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
@@1212Diablo Yeah Italy wasn't going to get that land in the first place, especially since they only controlled a small part in the coast. But after allowing the Turks to enter, the zone was essentially lost for them. But also, regardless of that, Greece and Italy had a large rivalry over the naval dominance in the Eastern Mediterranean, with Britain generally supporting Greece. This naval "cold war" was especially evidenced in Albania (where Italy demanded that Greece should retreat from Northern Epirus, and leave it to its Albanian protectorate) and in the Dodecanese (an island chain in the southeastern Aegean, inhabited by Greeks, but colonized by Italy). Also, Italy contested the Greek control of Smyrna. Greece wouldn't just hand over massive amounts of lands to their rivals, especially if Greece was in a position of strength.
@ylmazirdenyazc8393
Жыл бұрын
Even though those Regions Greece could take had large Greek Populations, Muslims were still a Majority in many places, even though Aegean Coast would be easier to hold due to its closeness and being more Urbanized, Black Sea regions, with their still Larger Muslim majority, composed of Warlike Chepnis and Lazs especialy in Eastern Black Sea İnhabiting extremely thickly forested Mountanious areas will be the Equivelant of Carthage conquering Gaul from North Africa. Most likely Greece wouldnt wanted to Overextend itself and just remain in the Far wealthier Aegean possesions and maybe Resettling Greeks from Black sea towards these regions to better establish themselves.
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
@@ylmazirdenyazc8393 in the 6 regions of Pontus that Greeks claimed, there was a 80% Pontic Greek population (1.2 million). However, it is a fact that Greece would be overextended this way. Venizelos recognized this, and after a briefing with Germanos Karavangelis, the Archbishop of Trebizond, he said that Pontus should make a confederation with Armenia. However after Armenia was defeated by the soviets and Karabekir's forces, the Pontic Greeks declared the Union with Greece. This was only disbanded with the treaty of Lausanne
@ylmazirdenyazc8393
Жыл бұрын
@@georgios_5342 dude there was no 80% greek majority in Black Sea region, most Ottoman sources as well as British maps and the Wikipedia wich once put the pictures of Coachroaches on the page "Turkish People" agrees that the Majority in the Eastern and Western Black Sea were Laz (a south Caucasian muslim people) and Chepnis (An Oghuz tribe that was originaly adhered to Alewite İslam but was later Sunnified) with significant Pontic Greek communities in Oph valley as well as Trebizond, Amisos and mostly smaller certain valleys, and the Number 1.200.000 isnt just the Pontic Greeks, its the total number of Pontic, Cappadocian and Aegean greeks as well as somewhere between 100.000 to 400.000 Karamanlides (Descendants of Turcopols who are basically Orthodox Central Anatolian Turks) it doesnt help that Ottoman Sources used Religion as distinction not Ethnic, meaning these Minorities within Pontus Region is Pontic Greeks and Armenians combines, for example there was a Catholic Armenian Community within city of Artvin whilst Borçka was inhabited by Muslim Georgians, whilst upwards were Čxala and Xopa Lazs, thats basicaly what the metrics you can Apply to rest of the Black sea.
@chickenusgoddus464
Жыл бұрын
What if the carlists managed to escape to the colonies (or took over Peru which had a lot of royalist support) Or maybe what if the Spanish governor general of the Philippines's plan to conquer china using japanese mercenaries went through Also really enjoyed the vid can't wait for more your definitely the most active alt history channel I know of so this is really scratching that itch
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
We're glad to have you! Hope to you in the comments again next week!
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
12:11 Archbishop Chrysostomos of Smyrna was brutally beaten to death and dismembered, his body parts were then paraded throughout the city to terrorize the Greeks. Numerous women were abducted, raped, or murdered inside their houses, and by the end of it, all Greeks had either died or fled to Greece, months before the "population exchange", which was in reality only a normalization of relations after the genocide had already happened
@ammarhaziq919
Жыл бұрын
greek army burn smyrna and many greek populated cities when they retreat from central Anatolia, leaving almost half of anatolia in ruins, accusing turk for Smyrna burning doesnt make sense because advancing armies dont burn their own supply line and cities, houses and buildings of the conquered towns/cities can be used as supply depot, but retreating armies do burn everything when they retreating, its called scorch earth policy, so blame Greece and armenian thugs who work for them for setting Smyrna on fire.
@ylmazirdenyazc8393
Жыл бұрын
The Genocide wasnt one sided by only Turks though, less then a decade before Balkan wars saw Millions of Muslim Refugees a good chunk being Balkan Muslims like Muslim Greeks, Pomaks, Albanians, alongside Balkan Turks, around 3-5 million fled between Greek war of İndependence and population exchange whilst 2-2.5 million lost their lives, this was also less than 30 years after 800.000 to 1.5 million Circassians forcibly exciled to Ottoman Empire fleeing the Genocide of their Homelands at the hands of the Russians (before you call me a liar, actual biased report is made by Justin McArthy wich i believe you are familiar for his renowned Denial stand (im not a denier thank god) he gives +5 million refugees and 5 million deaths so you can be sure that im not moving off some weird Agenda) Population exchange was merely the end point of Centuries of Ethnic conflict wich didnt Discriminated between neither Muslim or Christian or Civilian and Military. Unlike what international census would want you to believe.
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
Interesting Georgios. Now tell everyone what the Greeks did.
@Woah9394
25 күн бұрын
Most normal turkic activity
@AW27007
Жыл бұрын
We love Josh don't we folks
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
We certainly do! He's not sussy Josh anymore. He's beautiful Josh.
@NoshaMarble
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean 😢
@aliceguevarra727
7 ай бұрын
Aged like milk
@morsecode980
Жыл бұрын
What if Germany was Balkanized after WW2? Say the British occupation zone restored the Kingdom of Hanover, the American zone became an independent democratic Bavaria, the French zone a series of protectorates like Saarland, Baden-Württemberg and Hesse, and the Soviet zone became communist Brandenburg and Saxony?
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
That's a clever idea.
@morsecode980
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean Thanks! Heck, you could go even further with this timeline and have the Soviets keep the Germans in Kaliningrad and call it the Prussian SSR, and have Austria remain divided between East and West. The more German states you can create, the better 😂
@masonhandforth1369
Жыл бұрын
@@morsecode980 we can probably go off of the former german states that joined (feel free to debate that) the habsburg in place like a northern tyrol, austria itself and more
@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja
Жыл бұрын
Before I even watch this, *BASED*
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
Correct.
@maximusdecimusmeridious3784
Жыл бұрын
The good ending
@Leonard97137
8 ай бұрын
🇹🇷
@adalfyre7937
Ай бұрын
@@Leonard97137 cockroach
@TheHenrique8791
Жыл бұрын
Blessed timeline!
@AduckButSpain
Жыл бұрын
10:20 "It was a monkey bite that cost the lives of 250,000 people" ~ Winston Churchill
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
15:17 not only Constantinople, but also Cyprus, which was another important part of the Megali Idea
@voidwalker9746
Жыл бұрын
Any timeline without Turkey is a good timeline
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
What a disgusting and racist thing to say. This why the crimes AGAINST Turks aren't mentioned and even accepted. Because of terrible disgusting people like you. Make the same comment about black people or Jewish people. I dare you.
@ahmebrolab502
Жыл бұрын
explain why
@voidwalker9746
Жыл бұрын
@@ahmebrolab502 because Turkey is a blight on the world and a genocidal menace.
@islammehmeov2334
3 ай бұрын
@@ahmebrolab502because TURKS have no friends but only TURKS
@OscarT-wb5ck
2 ай бұрын
they killed christians
@vorynrosethorn903
Жыл бұрын
The Russians supported a Greek state in Constantinople if you count renaming Constantinople to Tsargrad and settling it with Russians as well a possibly making it the Russian capital due to dynastic/religious aims counts as being Greek, the Russians would probably say it was because 'we are the Romans now' but I have a feeling many Greeks would contend that point, especially once the Russians start moving to annex the lost orthodox territories of Rome, like say Greece. And yeah it is a mostly western idea of the Greeks having connection to antiquity, the Byzantine link was much more relevant until ancient Greek fanboys started intervening in national diplomacy, with most of them being liberals and thus massively prejudiced against the byzantines in general and Christians in particular.
@Trapligo
Жыл бұрын
Megali idea basically means big idea
@trainanade6138
Жыл бұрын
My family was in the massacre of Smyrna and one escaped by pretending to be a girl and the others were starved to death
@talzzz1546
Жыл бұрын
And my great great fathers village was burned by the greek army
@Juan-qu4oj
Жыл бұрын
@@talzzz1546should have stayed in Central Asia
@talzzz1546
Жыл бұрын
@@Juan-qu4oj no
@Juan-qu4oj
Жыл бұрын
@@talzzz1546 yeah Turks got a taste of their own medicine
@Engifarting456
Жыл бұрын
troonjak-ACK!
@mappingshaman5280
Жыл бұрын
Everyone who isn't turkish or Azerbaijani: *CELLLLLLLEBRATIONS TIME NOW COME ON*
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@bullmoosevelt4495
Жыл бұрын
Hell yes! 🇦🇲
@GaemingStudios
Жыл бұрын
Turks and Azerbaijanis: mad noises
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
So this is what happens when you get crushed and humiliated on the battlefield.... You resort to making silly videos and silly comments.
@mappingshaman5280
Жыл бұрын
@@James-rf1wn lmao when did turks "crush and humiliate" Britain in war? I've checked my maps. Nope, the turks don't control Syria, they don't control Iraq, they don't control Jordan, they don't control hejaz.
@Yasinburak1992
Жыл бұрын
Welp as Turkic this is gonna be a interesting video Let’s go to the comment section surely it’s gonna be kind and wholesome..
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
"The Descent of the Turk into the Den of Crusaders" A novel by Monsieur Z, coming soon.
@cursedwanderer1753
Жыл бұрын
I hope Monsieur Z makes a video in favor of Turkey. Like what if the Turks converted to christianity?
@Engifarting456
Жыл бұрын
@@cursedwanderer1753 or what if turkey abandons west (it won't be degen and dragqueens wont exist)
@islammehmeov2334
3 ай бұрын
In you dreams you infidels convert to ISLAM @@cursedwanderer1753
@nicolascharlier3183
Жыл бұрын
Hello from France, I like your channel very much . Just a few things. The Ottomans took Constantinople in 1453, not 1452. During the first world war, the Russians had beaten the Turks in Caucasus, before collapsing in 1917. Sèvres, little city in France near Paris, is pronounced something like ”Seavr” (with ”ea” like in ”bear ”).
@islammehmeov2334
3 ай бұрын
Russia did beaten SHITI in caucasus the russian fell to occupied estarn anatolian I'ven with the help of the British 😂
@Belks1453
Жыл бұрын
13:38 is when the scenario starts.
@MikhailMyers
Жыл бұрын
WHERE ALL THE ANGRY TURKS AT? 😂😂😂😂😂🤑🤑🤑
@papazataklaattiranimam
Жыл бұрын
👽👽👽
@AnqeLo99
Жыл бұрын
why should we be sad? u have to be 12 or something
@MikhailMyers
Жыл бұрын
@@AnqeLo99 cuz usually when there’s a video relating to let’s say this one. There are usually a few Turks exploding in the comments.
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
I think the Turks are used to the biased and hypocrisy.
@januarysson5633
Жыл бұрын
What if Franz Ferdinand of Austria had become first German emperor? EDIT: Franz Josef of Austria
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
How?
@theinterestingcompany3191
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean Maybe the Prussian-led German Empire grows unpopular to dismantle before the 20th century? Leaving maaaaybe enough time for the German states to get together again and form an Austrian-led German Empire
@januarysson5633
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean Oops! My bad! I meant to write Franz Josef of Austria who was offered by the German Confederation to be first German emperor but on condition of relinquishing the crown of Hungary which he refused to do. I was wondering what might happen if he had accepted that condition.
@theinterestingcompany3191
Жыл бұрын
At least the chances of that happening are better than what the unfortunate typo implied
@januarysson5633
Жыл бұрын
@@theinterestingcompany3191 LOL. I have edited my original comment to correct the name.
@jimtalbott9535
Жыл бұрын
Given the substantial troubles in the Soviet Union in the 20s, I find the idea of an actual Soviet-Allied war somewhat unlikely - more like a “Cold-war Prequel”, with substantial military support for the Turks. BUT, if you did see some sort of actual conflict and occupation of the SU, why not a restoration of the Romanov Dynasty? They WERE allied to Britain and France, were NOT friendly to the Turks, and at this point, Russia had only been under communism for maybe a decade or so.
@ejoji4245
Жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure if the greek army defeated and occupied ancyra, greece would have pushed for far more territory considering it wasn't only the shores of smyrna and constantinople having greek majority and minority populations
@loseyourself5023
Жыл бұрын
as a person who wrote his university thesis about war of Turkish independence this is bullshit even according to foreign sources Greeks and Armenians were huge minority not a minority
@radored7750
Жыл бұрын
Awesome, next part would be great
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
9:41 woooo goooo Venizelos for Megali Idea!!! 🎉🎉🎉
@jossos4876
Жыл бұрын
I really hoped this Video was about what if Turkey was actually a turkey
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
We will capture him again!
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣 This edit...
@jossos4876
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean just a bit of trolling
@theeternalchronicler3072
Жыл бұрын
KZitem has not notified me for a month that you have made a video. Thanks KZitem
@U87-z2w
Жыл бұрын
What aid did the French give to Turks? What aid did the Italians give to Turks? Do we consider captured wepons as aid now? Then we can also say Greece helped Turkish war of Independence. Only soviets sent rifles and thats it.
@gllmll7227
Жыл бұрын
French aid 10.000 rifle 1.500 machine gun 1.500 crate of ammunition 10 aircraft 200 truck 1 gunpowder factory 3 telegraph station 10 hangar Italian aid 20.000 rifle 20 aircraft 4.310.000 bullet 97.000 kg gunpowder
@U87-z2w
Жыл бұрын
@gllmll7227 I know the Soviet help. Where is the source for Italian and French help.
@gllmll7227
Жыл бұрын
@@U87-z2w "Kurtuluş savaşının mali kaynakları" Alptekin Müderrisoğlu
@joshuawells835
Жыл бұрын
The most likely outcome from this would be Greece and Turkey gradually taking the Italian and French held areas of Anatolia, while Armenia keeps its territory and Kurdistan likely starts to incorporate Kurdish areas in French Syria and British Iraq. With the loss in territory, do the Hashemites maintain Syria and Iraq and then merge with Jordan to form a Hashemite Kingdom of Arabia to counter Saudi Arabia? Do the Hashemites try to reclaim Mecca and their lands in the Arabian Peninsula? Is there still an Israel?
@mikedrewson5545
Жыл бұрын
No hate for Josh but I kinda wish Z would do these videos himself.
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
I will return.
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
5:32 true that. To this day, the majority of Greeks have partial or full Anatolian heritage, and were outraged for example when the Turkish government turned the Panagia Soumela Monastery in a night club, or Hagia Sophia into a Mosque
@beetrootsoup3130
Жыл бұрын
When did the night club thing happen
@ylmazirdenyazc8393
Жыл бұрын
İf Soumela you meant is the one in Trebizond then its in a really good shape really, unlike the Hagia Sophia of Trebizond its still both a Museum and a major Tourist attraction, just like Mostar Bridge.
@muhammedtugra5943
Жыл бұрын
wtf? You think erdogan would allow night clubs?? That aside, the hagia sophia being open for religious usage again is being protested by İstanbul's local goverment, (Ekrem İmamoğlu being a major figure) and that night club thing, when??? I think you mean that one very preserved monastry built on a hillside in trabzon which is, VERY preserved and certainly NOT a night club.
@veysels9628
Жыл бұрын
When was the Souméla Monastery turned into a night club..?
@feax21
11 күн бұрын
The Kingdom of Greece was established in 1830. In 1821 it was the beginning of the GREEK REVOLUTION that lead to the establishment of the kingdom of Greece in 1830.
@Michael_the_Drunkard
Жыл бұрын
12:41 You heard it guys. Eastern Thrace was never conquered by the Turks but given up on order of the British. You can thank them for the reason Constantinople is still Muslim.
@loseyourself5023
Жыл бұрын
As a Turkish person who visited Greece many times Istanbul is more secular than any Greek city.
@simulacrumpilot2777
Жыл бұрын
Turkey would've take it either way. They were in a better position than Greece militarily and Eastern Thrace had a majority Turkish population. So not really Brits.
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
Жыл бұрын
Damn anglo-judas,traitors of evropa
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
Жыл бұрын
@@loseyourself5023 only time i agreed to a turk
@bobbobb4804
Жыл бұрын
@@simulacrumpilot2777 The Turkish military wasn’t in a better position for most of the war and they only overcame after all the allies betrayed Greece and even started helping the Turks and the Greek economy collapsed which also happened because of the allies taking all of their money out of Greek banks. Also eastern Thrace had a majority Greek and Bulgarian population.
@Zzz95
8 ай бұрын
Free Cyprus Constantinople and Smyrni
@islammehmeov2334
3 ай бұрын
Way don't you try it
@shafsteryellow
3 ай бұрын
From?
@Zzz95
3 ай бұрын
@@shafsteryellow from turkgay
@winterinvicta
Ай бұрын
Soon…
@sagittariusa7662
Жыл бұрын
So... if Constantine I was never born or was assassinated by some luck, a German, then this whole degredation of Greek Reconquista wouldn't had happened and Greece might had united Turkish lands with its own with the Re-hellenization of Anatolia as the Turks are mostly the same people genetically to what had lived in Anatolia since Eastern Roman Times. Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark seems to be a suitable alternative to Constantine as he abdicated, assassinated, died or was never born. King Andrew of Greece. His heir would had been Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, husband to Elizabeth II. So basically King Philip. When he passed away, their son Charles, yes Charles III would be the King of Greece and the United Kingdom. Basically Greece would be part of the United Kingdom, the Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and Greece. This would be odd since the UK is largely a Protestant Country or Set of Countries while Greece is profoundly Orthodox. A good way around this is that the King is just a ceremonial figurehead who shares responsibilities with the Patriarch of Constantinople who is entirely independent of the Crown, thereby keeping the Country, Orthodox. The Good Part of this is that it would make the UK and Greece allies prior to their unification and it would make Turkey pretty much non-existant. They would probably join the Axis Powers, lose, fall under the control of an Ambitious Soviet General and become part of the Soviet Union. This of course being Eastern Turkey as the West would still be under Helleno-British control. There would be a Turkish Republic, but it would be very weak and easily lose Eastern lands to the Kurds, making it even smaller. Pretty much just Central Anatolia and the Black Sea Coast along with Mersin and Adana as the rest would be either Greek, Armenian or Kurdish and no Hatay taken from Syria. Greece had also annexed Cyprus too and Greece would be one of the consituent countries of the United Kingdom.
@modddy0025
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful Timeline
@StalkerX426
Жыл бұрын
Worst timeline
@notme9816
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@uralcrusader5621
Жыл бұрын
Almost the best timeline.
@simulacrumpilot2777
Жыл бұрын
It's much better that this never happened.
@bobbobb4804
Жыл бұрын
Other great alt histories “if Islam never existed” and “if the Seljuks never took control of Anatolia”
@sidequestenjoyer7037
Жыл бұрын
@@simulacrumpilot2777 no it’s not
@StalkerX426
Жыл бұрын
@@sidequestenjoyer7037No, it's better never to have that happen
@familygash7500
Жыл бұрын
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:* What if The Ottoman Empire had joined The Allies in World War I?
@alexzero3736
Жыл бұрын
Together with Russia? That would shorten the war significantly. Also Bulgaria may stay neutral as they would feel surrounded... I d say in 1916 peace would be signed with defeat of Germany and survival of both Russian and Ottoman empires.
@topmanias5379
Жыл бұрын
what if the "Plan of casamata" never happens, the idea of a mexican empire led by iturbide would be interesting, Iturbide is a very underrated strategist, the mexican independence movement was likely destroyed by de spanish empire but iturbide with the "Ejercito trigarante" manage to do all de work. It will be interesting to see the war of 1846 with a (maybe) stable empire with a leader like iturbide
@MarcusWHunt
Жыл бұрын
King Charles III is the emperor of Byzantium, via his father.
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
1:28 why are there also Greek flags in the back here? And everything written in Greek, Turkish and French?
@helioslegigantosaure6939
Жыл бұрын
Good ending
@이동연-c6d
Жыл бұрын
It will be much better than our timeline. 😊😊😊
@Linkingarlandmusic
9 ай бұрын
tru
@clasicpotato
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I could see the monarchists negotiating control of Constantinople from Britain, who may give it up to prevent a civil war in Grease which would threaten their control of the region, this could prevent a civil war by giving the monarchists a lot more support and once the second world war happens the British would see the surrender of Constantinople to Grease as a justifiable decision since it would have prevented the rise of fascism in one of their allies.
@PaoloCavestro-ey9bb
4 ай бұрын
What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
@realmless4193
Жыл бұрын
The idea that they would make Russia a free government is kinda dumb.
@lukejohnson4975
Жыл бұрын
What if Prohibition never happened? What if the Business Plot had succeeded?
@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617
Жыл бұрын
A dream all of Europe and the Middle East will wish came true!
@Engifarting456
Жыл бұрын
too bad for your lgbt jew brain it never came 🤭🤭🤭 now you have to deal with turkish family in playground
@dominicadrean2160
Жыл бұрын
What if the Phoenicians in Greeks colonized Britain
@poil8351
Жыл бұрын
greece,bulgaria, yugoslavia, italy and possibly rommania and hungry all end up in a new balkan war over the territory. the british and french are busy fighting local uprisings for the next decade which proabbly leads the french to have a much bigger military in 1939 and a more agressive foreign policy.
@metal_pipe9764
Жыл бұрын
What if the young turks were actually young?
@atakanpayman
Жыл бұрын
The "C" in Cemal is pronounced more like a "J". Djemal is the English version of it.
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
5:48 * it's actually May 1453
@lukejohnson4975
Жыл бұрын
What if the Ottoman Empire had remained fully, utterly, and entirely neutral in World War 1?
@bullmoosevelt4495
Жыл бұрын
Even by some miracle they were able to pull that off, it wouldn't have changed much. The various minorities were going to rebel anyway, and Europe was bound to exploit it, Ottomans were doomed.
@AnqeLo99
Жыл бұрын
good ending for ottos
@AnqeLo99
Жыл бұрын
@@charlieread2097 -12 iq
@AnqeLo99
Жыл бұрын
@@charlieread2097 that responce enough for you. you do not deserve more than that
@lukejohnson4975
Жыл бұрын
@@charlieread2097 Who are these "Kemal Johnsons"? I have not the slightest idea of what you are talking about?
@aravindhanil7235
Жыл бұрын
What if poland lost the 1st war against the Soviet Union?
@AmericanCaesarian
Жыл бұрын
The based timeline where the megali idea is finally established
@KoritnyanskyImmary_ch
Жыл бұрын
I like ur videos
@unknownmf2599
Жыл бұрын
damn bro is really obsessed and mad at the turkic folk hahahaha love it
@weremus8639
Жыл бұрын
Bruh, this was 80% History and 20% what if...
@AW27007
Жыл бұрын
Also where is the MrAsianPie collab?
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
Maybe in the near future!
@Leo-uu2up
Жыл бұрын
I love Armenia, Greece and Crusaders
@Engifarting456
Жыл бұрын
you also love 1204
@indianpotatofarmer6508
Жыл бұрын
Day 66 of asking for what if the Zulu beat the British out of South Africa, and what if the Turks helped them out
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
All of South Africa would become rightfully Turkish.
@indianpotatofarmer6508
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean are u saying it isn’t currently??
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
@@indianpotatofarmer6508 I thought it was chinese.
@indianpotatofarmer6508
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean something like that
@andyreginald9272
Жыл бұрын
5:44 it was in the year 1453 my friend
@michelarsenault4088
Жыл бұрын
So now it's time for Scar nicholas part 4? if logic is right?
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
We've been waiting on one more voice actor.
@michelarsenault4088
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean I see, Can't wait and Hope for the Best! It a Good series!
@walorianfederation666
Жыл бұрын
THE BEST ALT HISTORY TIMELINE
@sgauden02
Жыл бұрын
When should the next Scar Nicholas video be ready?
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
We're waiting on one voice actor.
@achistorian6978
Жыл бұрын
What if the first balkan war became a world war ?
@feax21
11 күн бұрын
your google translation is horrible. they weren't YOUNG TURKS they were NEOTURKS and the NEOTURKS MOVEMENT !
@NathanAurelianus
Жыл бұрын
What if the Latin Empire survived to become an actual empire?
@spoonsareoccasionallymadeo5728
Жыл бұрын
Hate to be "that guy" but not much probably changes. Ottomans show up and wreck everybody for a few hundred years like our timeline.
@ylmazirdenyazc8393
Жыл бұрын
@@spoonsareoccasionallymadeo5728 Or either Second Bulgarian Empire or Stefan Dušan canniballizes them.
@NathanAurelianus
Жыл бұрын
@@spoonsareoccasionallymadeo5728 hence why I worded it "Survived to become and actual empire" and not just "survived"
@bobbobb4804
Жыл бұрын
@@spoonsareoccasionallymadeo5728 The Ottoman’s wouldn’t have existed because they were founded on territory owned by the Latin empire
@tomasvrabec1845
8 ай бұрын
This is confusing. Why is it called Turkic Independence? Otomans were Turks... And all Turks in the ottoman empire were Turks.... It's like the British declaring indence from the Beitish empire.... In other words just having revolution..not actually Independence
@davidbofinger
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's accurate to say the Ottomans only won at Gallipoli. They managed to force the British invasion of Mesopotamia to surrender, and they held their line in Palestine against the British for a long time, throwing back a lot of attacks on Gaza, before they lost at Beersheba.
@PineappleMaxwell
Жыл бұрын
Could you make your alternate histroy of the world, episodes and a movie for a final?
@JackDSquat
Жыл бұрын
It’s a shame what the Turks did to the Christian populations, after all of their suffering Armenia and Greece deserved more land
@eatinsomtin9984
Жыл бұрын
it's a shame what the Christians did to the Muslims in yugoslavia. What a shame
@JackDSquat
Жыл бұрын
@@eatinsomtin9984 agreed, that’s why I believe Kosovo and Bosnia have the right to exist as states and deserve reparations from Serbia
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Babylonian genocide done by turkey. 51 million Babylonians all gone because of turkey. Not one Babylonian survived. My grandfather who is Babylonian and survived the Genocide is eye witness. He told me stories. Today no Babylonians are left because of turkey.
@monarchblue4280
Жыл бұрын
@@eatinsomtin9984 To be fair, they were barely Christian's as ethno nationalism was their main motivation (rather than Gospel virtues or principles) at this point due to the pathetic economic conditions they had enough of. This is similar to how it was Turkish nationalism and not Islam that motivated the genocides of Christians in the late Ottoman empire. But yes, it is sad that both Muslims and Christians suffer due to nationalist stupidity
@Engifarting456
Жыл бұрын
@@JackDSquat kosovo is serbia and turks did nothing it was the young turks lol also enver pasha who did armenian genocide was albanian
@sarubet8725
8 ай бұрын
>balkaners invaded ottoman empire and its because the young turks were nationalists Cant get more biased than that lmao
@00martoneniris86
Жыл бұрын
Josh is free
@m.j.vazquez4720
Жыл бұрын
what f the trail of tears never happened
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
Only the Turks commit horrendous atrocious. Don't you know that by now?
@conductingintomfoolery9163
Жыл бұрын
@@James-rf1wn bruh the trail of tears is about native Americans in the us, dumbass😂
@lukejohnson4975
Жыл бұрын
What if the Ottoman Empire joined the Triple Entente (The Allies)?
@GAarcher
Жыл бұрын
men, we need to get josh in to the work again, slavery is historicool ascoolrated and we should force him into creating a expanded cenario of this, with changes on what happens on italy,germany, poland, russia, balkans, west and austria with the changes on turkey leading to this 1920s great war, perfect cenario for a alternative history, get josh to basement
@erendogan5098
Жыл бұрын
Good job about content but there is too many wrong information too, as a Turkish historian, it frankly disappointed me. Most basic one is Fall of Constantinople is not 1452, it's 29 May 1453. And i don't know what is your sources but if you give how many innocent Greek people died during this events put how many innocent Ottoman Turks died during occupation too, so in that way you would "look" unbiased. You didn't even mention how many fronts Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK fought almost simultaneously when this things are happening. My suggestion is put your sources, so people can check it too.
@dragonhowto
Жыл бұрын
Now, I have to sub to Josh . . .
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
If you don't, Josh will turn you into alternate history.
@dragonhowto
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean Binging his entire channel, now!
@ragael1024
Жыл бұрын
the fall of Constantinople was on 29th of May 1453, mate. not 1452. i did like the "international zone(read british)". aaand... the greeks always failed to do what they want because of divisions among themselves. which always lead to civil wars. which is the main reason their empire was destroyed. plenty of divisions here too, making anyone else able to gain some lands from them.
@TMan-o3o
11 ай бұрын
Josh The Ballllllll
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
On Armenian Genocide Memory Day 😅 Very fitting video idea
@zamazingo2819
Жыл бұрын
liarmenian genocrap..
@MonsieurDean
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy 😅😂
@zamazingo2819
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean Add this to your garbage video too.. --> Elzear Guiffray, the elected chief of Izmir’s French community, estimated the number of Turks killed by the Greeks and the Armenians in Western Anatolia starting from May 1919, was in excess of 150,000, and without counting the displaced peoples, as 300,000. ( Archives du Ministere des Affaires Etrangeres / Arnold J. Toynbee, The Times of London, 6 April 1922 / E. Alexander Powell, The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia, 1925 )
@zamazingo2819
Жыл бұрын
@@MonsieurDean And this.. --> America should feed the 500,000 Turks, whose hinterland was wilfully demolished by the retreating Greeks, instead of aiding the Greeks and the Armenians, who are sitting around waiting for America to give them their next meal. The stories of Turkish atrocities circulating among the American churches are a mess of lies. I believe that not the Turks, but the Greeks are the barbarians. ( - Arthur Moss, Florence Gilliam / The Turkish Myth / The Nation Magazine / June 13, 1923 Edition - )
@georgios_5342
Жыл бұрын
@@zamazingo2819 the Greeks killed in Turkey meanwhile were more than 1 million, and that is only counting civilian losses
@ultimategmoneyremaber1821
Жыл бұрын
We need hellenic
@James-rf1wn
Жыл бұрын
Your Greek brethren who felt the same, jumped in the Aegean sea as the cowards they are, when they saw the Turks coming.
@soudino2723
Жыл бұрын
what if the mughal empire never collapsed?
@HS-hx8ti
Жыл бұрын
I think this just reveals a rather juvenile understanding of history and geopolitics. While Turkey falling to communism is believable enough in this scenario, the Soviet Union would never support a guaranteed losing war. I suspect there would be more similarities with the French occupation of Vietnam after WW2, with constant guerilla attacks sapping France, Italy and Britain's willingness to continue the occupation of Turkey. In this case they would probably be even more willing to abandon Turkey, seeing as Vietnam had a lot more useful resources than Turkey. I don't see the Greeks willingly abandoning the Greek-populated parts of Western Anatolia though, so I could see Greece and and a resurgent Turkey fighting on opposites sides during WW2, ending in Turkish victory and a similar situation as today.
@GattsuOfficial
Жыл бұрын
Meh, I don't feel like the Soviets and a Communist Turkey would fare very well - The Soviets had loose ambitions on the Turks (Constantinople and what was to be Wilsonian Armenia), both of which the Turks would want back, I personally find it more likely that the Turks join the Axis Sphere of Influence, while before this, fighting against Italy in Antalya, which the Greeks would realistically support - Being against the Italians. Due to the annexation of Antalya/Attaleia into an Italian Rum. I see it likely that the Turks, for sakes the Kemalists BEAT the Italians, which; Intern makes the Italians more lenient and a Liability to the Nazis, making the Turks the pre-eminent power. Among other things, the British would steamroll a Turkish State inside of the middle east; So I don't see a different outcome from our world.
@achistorian6978
Жыл бұрын
What if the Sino-Soviet split became hot ?
@ИгорьПак-т9б
Жыл бұрын
Constantinople is not incorporated into Greece Greeks: *fuming with rage*
@muberrazeyrek8871
11 ай бұрын
If you don't have the ability to give unbiased and factual information, don't pontificate about things you don't know. Do not mislead people.
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
Жыл бұрын
Britain stopped supplying the Greeks on ammunitions so the Greeks had to retreat/withdrawal. Without this british action the Greeks would just had keep pushing as they had the momentum (in the same time that the soviets were massively supplying the turks, believing they will become communists)
@hansgustavlinnestad6389
10 ай бұрын
italy defiently wouldnt get western anatolia if greece had qounered
@orirotem2298
Жыл бұрын
Will you do what if greece won the war against turky at 1919 ?
@borakaraca9788
Жыл бұрын
2:46 it is cemal pasha if you pronunce it as kemal that would be totalt different name cemal pronunce like "che-mal" not "key" mal
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