Showing Popo’s face when talking about the Saiyan pecking order was a nice touch lol
@jamircooper4976
2 жыл бұрын
Vegeta discovered SS2 before Majin. He was just weaker than Goku. People just love downplaying Vegeta. But I also think Vegeta & Goku were both stronger than Gohan against Cell because he keeps making Gohan vs the Cell the measuring stick even at the beginning of the Buu saga & is talking down to it. Why people choose to debate it is wild
@Black_Knight_-BK-
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like its impossible for Vegeta not to have SSJ2 despite training hard for 7 years straight. I bet he achieved it just 1 or 2 years into his training
@wanilimbe
2 жыл бұрын
vegeta as a ssj2 vs kid buu was stated as an equal with ssj2 goku
@jamircooper4976
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanilimbe yeah after that Majin boost. But base to base he was weaker. So it don’t matter if we reach the same level. A multiplayer on a weaker character is still a weaker character
@joshnacua8998
6 ай бұрын
@Black_Knight_-BK- I don't think he trained for 7 years maybe like 5 or 6, remember he went into depression after the cell games
@nimiesele7539
2 жыл бұрын
it makes no sense that vegeta couldnt use ssj2 before the majin curse because he was going toe to toe with a ssj2 goku who we know got it DURING the 7 year timeskip meaning that vegeta most likely got it before the majin curse
@adaphion
2 жыл бұрын
Plus the fact of knowing how to access the form in the first place. Just getting a magic power boost wouldn't give him the training he'd need to know how to use the form
@ruivilasboas4276
2 жыл бұрын
You know? These what if can be quite motivationals, for example: everytime someone makes a big decision it creates a what if/history. With that we can inspire ourselfs to make the big decisions that will change our live/creates a more better life story for ourselves trying to get the best what if out of our lifes!!
@pentboi4998
2 жыл бұрын
Nigga what
@hairman6535
2 жыл бұрын
I respect that mindset, man.
@ruivilasboas4276
2 жыл бұрын
@@hairman6535 thanks man! 😁
@RespekfulFungus
2 жыл бұрын
There is no way Vegeta wouldn't have SS2. We all know that after the cell games Vegeta would not rest until he too broke through the wall. Seeing what it took for GohanvCell, he would figure it out.
@Frosty98206
2 жыл бұрын
Like Piccolo said in the Early Android Saga shortly after 19 was Destroyed & Brief stare-down with Dr.Gero “Vegeta was a Fighting Genius 🤜🤛🧠” If There’s one character that’s knows the ins & outs of Battle it’s The Saiyan Prince.
@fires2398
2 жыл бұрын
Still would be weaker then goku though as the majin boost was stated to be significant and also provide other benefits like increased pain tolerance and stamina. Without it he would not be a match for goku's ssj2. Even with he was only able to match him. If vegeta is able to go ssj2 without the form he would be on the lower-mid end of the spectrum more then likely. Goku was on upper level...mastered it...and moved on to unlock a form beyond it via ssj3 :3
@JogVodka
2 жыл бұрын
@@Frosty98206 That quote was so funny knowing that Vegeta let himself get drained by 19 to confirm the androids abilities despite witnessing it before the fight. And because of that he bluffed that he was strong enough to take on Gero on his own (which spooked the android before Vegeta took a senzu).
@RespekfulFungus
2 жыл бұрын
@@fires2398 That’s irrelevant, I didn’t say stronger. Goku’s experience from Other World, particularly with Pikkan, there’s no doubt he was stronger.
@joshnacua8998
6 ай бұрын
Vegeta took a while to start training again this was said by vegeta himself. Right after cells death Everyone went back up to the lookout and vegeta said he would no longer be a warrior.
@ivanhunter6492
2 жыл бұрын
“What if Bardock’s team survived?”
@sheldon9496
2 жыл бұрын
Ahh simple, there wouldn't be a show.
@dianne74
2 жыл бұрын
Smugstick did it already it's already taken
@TheAustralianMapper5378
2 жыл бұрын
@@dianne74 just because someone else has done the what of doesn’t mean someone can’t put there own twist on it.
@llmazchild
2 жыл бұрын
I like it
@heatnova
2 жыл бұрын
@@KingSdotdgaf salad did a what if similar to that called what if vegeta went ssj3 I believe
@Vulgun
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, Vegeta killing Dabura makes more of a significant change than you think. Without Majin Buu in the story, Kid Buu will never die and become Uub, and Moro would end up likely killing Goku and Vegeta on New Namek, due to the lack of any intervention from the Grand Supreme Kai. Now, there is a possibility that Merus decides to tell Shin and Kibito about the Grand Supreme Kai in Buu, but that also depends on if the egg containing Buu was destroyed or not. If it was, then that means that Moro wins and everyone dies. And even if Buu wasn't destroyed, there are factors such as time, Buu's compliance or noncompliance and Buu's strength. To me, this timeline's doomed.
@kumiq17
2 жыл бұрын
He was choosing not to cover past the anime but with buy in the ball and on the supreme Kai's world that means the can revive the grand supreme guy from buy at full power from the start and he can handle Moro before he is even a problem They wouldn't destroy the egg out of fear of reviving buy like in the anime
@buggytheclown1533
2 жыл бұрын
Alternatively, Whis could probably defuse the Grand Supreme Kai and the South Supreme Kai from Buu, giving them back their power. I mean now Kid Buu is here, but he gets stomped. Now we good, everything is hunky dory
@moorexsive
2 жыл бұрын
I still think that Vegeta's fight with Dabura would be so one-sided that Vegeta would treat him like a punching bag, abusing him the entire time and laughing at him for being the "king of demons" and being so weak. On top of that he would be yelling at Kakarot the entire time saying that Gohan has gotten weak and he wants to finish this quickly so they can have their fight to see who truly is the strongest. And THAT would be the trigger to make Babadi turn him Majin getting Buu released.
@DeadlyDan
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you acknowledged Vegeta was able to go SSJ2 at that point. My theory that goes back to even the 90s was that a typical SSJ2 would be around cell level Gohan, who was in brilliant condition then, the best of his life really. I don't believe him being a teen affected an upper limit. Vegeta's SSJ2 would have been comparable in my opinion. Goku's SSJ2 is OP because he's mastered SSJ2, he knows the next form, SSJ3. This is comparable to SSJ1 frieza saga vs cell saga mastered SSJ1. Vegeta knew Goku's SSJ2 form was stronger which is why he went for the Majin booster, to bring him on par.
@Qwerty-yp3jq
2 жыл бұрын
What? I thought it was common knowledge that Vegeta got SSJ2 during the 7 year timeskip?
@DeadlyDan
2 жыл бұрын
@@Qwerty-yp3jq So did I but plenty would like to say otherwise
@sh00ta20
2 жыл бұрын
seeing how many subs i can get from this comment current subs-78!
@fatherozai197
2 жыл бұрын
@@sh00ta20 seeing how many people give a shit
@fatherozai197
2 жыл бұрын
@@sh00ta20 seeing how many people who give a fuck
@jplaya2023
2 жыл бұрын
This is easy. Vegeta was SSJ2 during the 7 years time skip. He was confident in beating gohan at the tournament. Plus vegeta knew gpku was ssj2 after yakkon. 3. Maijin powerups dont upgrade ssj forms. Vegeta was confident in beating dabura as a ssj1 before it was revealed he had ssj2. Goku and Vegeta thought dabura was a nobody magic aside. In conclusion ssj1 vegeta rag dolls dabura
@urionlimitbreaker8876
2 жыл бұрын
Eeyup.
@jplaya2023
2 жыл бұрын
@@urionlimitbreaker8876 lmao
@5stargrim
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah goku was very disappointed in gohan's performance and vegeta was extremely frustrated with it, so I'm pretty sure it's also narratively implied that either of these two would easily steamroll dabura at this point. Probably with the same diff as yakkon and pui pui.
@smaragdchaos
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Dabura is overrated by his fans too much.
@BeniWissler
2 жыл бұрын
Well by statements(databook and Scans) Dabura is only as strong as Perfect cell.Vegeta is easily stronger than that so yeah je should whoop him around
@ZAMCRO
2 жыл бұрын
The Majin power up didn’t cause him to immediately be in a SSJ2 state. So I always thought if he’s using SSJ when initially being put under the curse, and transforms to SSJ2 later, I figured that way his own doing. Also without the Majin boost in the fight with Pure Boo to buy time for Goku’s SSJ3, Vegeta uses SSJ2 to fight Boo as best he can.
@TophDaGreat
2 жыл бұрын
I like this way more than the actual buu arc. good stuff.
@Midnight_Master-1
2 жыл бұрын
Alright, What If video's are awesome, oh and a quick question, someone in your Discord wants to make a Manga based off of "What If Goku Was Sent To Beerus's World?", though he wants permission, if you tell me I can tell him.
@prestongarvey2599
2 жыл бұрын
I have a few bits of evidence to prove gohan is in SSJ2 during his fight with dabura 1: dabura was stated by goku to be as strong (or even stronger than) super perfect cell, gohan would have literally no reason to hold back 2: gohan's exhaustion, if gohan WAS struggling against dabura and he was in SSJ1, why didn't he just transform higher? he did it against buu's egg and kibito, so why not against dabura? 3: there is a very small yet conclusive detail that shows up with adult gohan, he has a big piece of hair sticking out, a bang, simple enough right? well it gets deeper. in base, its just the bang and nothing else, in SSJ2 its the same story, but in SSJ1, there is a tiny stand of hair under the bang, helping to differentiate SSJ1 from SSJ2. And mind you this tiny detail is reoccurring in EVERY piece of media adult gohan is in, and in the dabura fight, there is no tiny strand of hair
@TheMissingLink2
2 жыл бұрын
1000% agree with everything you said. I just made my own comment pointing out some of the same things. It's clear that the creator of this video has a bias toward seeing a certain outcome.
@tay14741
27 күн бұрын
This also proves gohan was a ssj2 against broly too.
@tariqhammond1908
2 жыл бұрын
I love how you showed the pecking order with Lord Popos face as a reference to team four star XD
@ttgb2990
5 ай бұрын
It’s amazing how many of these what ifs have Buu’s release stopped dead in its tracks. Hell, even in Future Trunks’ timeline it was foiled. Goes to show how that scenario was on “stop Cell from becoming Perfect” levels of avoidable if some characters weren’t dumb. *coughGokucough*
@trifiremc9913
2 жыл бұрын
i hope Carthu doesn't get taken down like Totally not mark.
@zkwldn7674
2 жыл бұрын
I get why he stopped fighting after cell but he once he got the ultimate boost he technically failed twice to stop majin buu, he then got fucked by beerus and then freiza and got left out of two major arcs. It took him so long to realise he needs to train.
@calvinkopp1735
2 жыл бұрын
At the end of Buu Saga, either Vegeta or Piccolo needs to present Gohan a possibility: A time where his father, Vegeta or Piccolo aren’t around or aren’t enough. A time where Gohan’s family is in danger but due to him getting soft, he can’t protect them. Arrogance and complacency are Gohan’s biggest weaknesses. If he wants a life as a scholar and eventually a husband and father, he’ll have to stay strong enough to protect those goals.
@Rhekon
2 жыл бұрын
Can we acknowledge he wants to finish it for him? Disappointed dad vibes emanate from that translation, and it's kinda heartwarming.
@dungton6066
2 жыл бұрын
3:21 I still find this funny as how Goku training everyday in the after life is still only equal to Cell Saga Gohan… unless he just matching Majin Vegeta SSJ2 to make it a fair fight as we already know he got ssj3.
@sabrinakod
4 ай бұрын
I agree with everything, but you gotta remember angry SSJ2 Gohan gets both the SSJ2 multiplier along with his potential multiplier (whatever multiplier you believe that to be)
@Grimbockus
2 жыл бұрын
I love the pecking order part when he showed mr popos face
@anxofernandez3344
2 жыл бұрын
What if Piccolo trained with Gohan and Goten before the Martial Arts World Tournament? I think the story has potential. Maybe he could even train Videl at first and teach her about ki control better and faster than Gohan, perhaps she could even learn how to produce energy beams. After that, I'm pretty sure he'd get the boys in tip top shape. Gohan would be definitely stronger than he was in the Cell Games, maybe as strong as Goku on the Buu saga (minus the SS3 transformation). He'd beat Darbura much more easily but he'd play around too much, Vegeta would go Majin, Buu would be awaken but I think Goku and Vegeta would join Gohan before he fought Buu and even Goten and Trunks would arrive, as well as Krilin and Piccolo. They'd all charge at Buu but he'd come back and Kaioh Shin would transport everyone to the realm of the Kais, Gohan would pull out the sword sooner and more easily and the whole process would be faster.
@Sybry605
9 ай бұрын
7:21 i think goku could show super Saiyan 3 after the battle with vegeta, just a thought
@GaeaRage0798
2 жыл бұрын
9:41 Oh boy, it's still gonna take a handful of years until Carthu ever features the Moro and Granola arcs in his "What-ifs...", isn't it?
@michaeleverett1376
2 жыл бұрын
Wish Dabura would come back in the actual series.
@titanictnt7476
2 жыл бұрын
I saw a TFS REFERENCE!
@dylanrodriguez2767
2 жыл бұрын
This gonna be so good
@isaacfields7777
2 жыл бұрын
Hey carthu is it ok on ur next video u can do what if Vegito from Dragon ball super meet super saiyan 4 Gogeta from Dragon Ball GT now that's gonna be good battle its like it is Cannon vs non Cannon fusion form if ur not able to its ok have great Thanksgiving
@bishalboro3782
2 жыл бұрын
Plz continue What if Gohan like Goku
@andreavescovini7194
2 жыл бұрын
“What if senzu beans were infinite?”
@CosmicPlays560
2 жыл бұрын
Great work👍
@CarthusDojo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@mr.z3059
2 жыл бұрын
It was really a good search 👏 , you are op
@aru2279
Ай бұрын
Vegeta is SSJ2 Tier without Majin augmentation.His battle with kid Buu is the answer.
@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere
2 жыл бұрын
4:23 of course as you say pecking order popo appears
@hafhth7075
2 жыл бұрын
i miss your long vids
@blankjosuke8602
Жыл бұрын
0:29 I know this video is old, but Carthu-PLEASE. I NEED TO KNOW WHO DREW THIS ART IT’S SO GOOD, I NEED A LINK AHHHH
@TheAwsomeManny
2 жыл бұрын
Video Idea: *What if King Kai taught goku instant transmission*
@Celerott
2 жыл бұрын
Vegeta wouldn't need SSJ2 to fight or defeat Dabra. Yes the Guidebook says Gohan was using SSJ2 against Dabra, but in the Manga itself Gohan is clearly drawn as a regular SSJ2, this is where a Guidebook contradicts the original source material and intent of Toriyama. If Goku as a SSJ2 in the Boo arc is stronger than Cell Games Gohan, then Base Goku is stronger than Cell Games Gohan, this should put Vegeta at the very least equal to Cell Games Gohan, either way this fight is very easy for Vegeta, what form you think Gohan was using just changes how much energy Vegeta is using when killing Dabra. For me I have Gohan only using SSJ against Dabra, because 1. That's how he's drawn in the Manga, and 2. Gohan's lack of conditioning, we don't really know how much it takes to maintain SSJ2, but considering how little Gohan trained over 7 years, it would make sense that Gohan would have a lot of trouble fighting in that form, and there's no telling what effect SSJ2 would have on Gohan mentally considering his actions from the Cell Games. But that's just me.
@abgrj6902
2 жыл бұрын
I love what if stories that make sense. Would love to know if there’ll be a part 2 that covers rof and more
@vegito6107
2 жыл бұрын
That goated fenyo art!!!!!!!!
@TheScarletSlayer
Жыл бұрын
Remember in the anime when dabura said he wanted to fight all three of them at the same time. Boy that would have been a short fight
@obbeymfquentin7732
2 жыл бұрын
Vegeto ND gotanks isn't also a thing ND the hyperbolic time chamber wasn't introduced either
@hairman6535
2 жыл бұрын
Hyperbolic time chamber was introduced in the Cell arc, but you’re right about the fusion thing.
@obbeymfquentin7732
2 жыл бұрын
@@hairman6535 oh yea u right
@CarthusDojo
2 жыл бұрын
Goku would still know metamoran fusion since he learns it in the 7 year timeskip and Potara would just be introduced when Merged Zamasu happens
@jaddindavis8174
2 жыл бұрын
What if Future Gohan time traveled to GT Timeline?
@sh00ta20
2 жыл бұрын
seeing how many subs i can get from this comment current subs-78~
@zekken8227
2 жыл бұрын
Quick and to the point keep it up
@downd.stairs2874
2 жыл бұрын
that changes stuff a lot more than i thought
@gspar116
2 жыл бұрын
Only thing I don’t agree with is Vegeta being weaker than Gohan from the Cell Saga. Vegeta was confident he could beat him if they fought at the tournament and when he sees Gohan at his house he tells him “you look out of shape.” Later on he tells him you were once stronger than me but how about now? So he doesn’t actually know how weak Gohan is but he believes he can beat him he doesn’t actually see how much power Gohan lost until the tournament and when he sees that he’s disappointed. Going by all of that it Vegeta definitely passed Gohan and Goku was even higher than both of them which led to him wanting to get that power up so they could be even.
@arcadius3257
2 жыл бұрын
Last time I checked both Goku and Vegeta were stronger then Gohan was against Cell. Goku just had an edge over Vegeta, one he acknowledged and he sought to close the gap through babadi's magic. I find it very unlikely that after years of non-stop training with a level of power in mind that Vegeta wouldnt be able to just reach that level if Goku himself could do the same and even achieve SSJ3.
@CarthusDojo
2 жыл бұрын
Vegeta only becomes stronger than Gohan vs Cell AFTER Majin. It’s directly stated
@arcadius3257
2 жыл бұрын
@@CarthusDojo Do you show the part where this is supposedly stated in your video? If so then could you timestamp it for me if its not too much to ask, I must have missed it.
@kaysoda3874
2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@pootis9180
2 жыл бұрын
I saw that flash of popo during the pecking order, you can't trick my eyes...
@nanner6335
2 жыл бұрын
You should make what if’s on other anime’s like hxh
@johannclyde9975
2 жыл бұрын
People: Vegeta only got super saiyan through the majin power up Vegeta: I wanna be a super saiyan 2! I wanna! I wanna! I wanna! I wanna! Yup, plenty of juice.
@michaelmccaskey2924
21 күн бұрын
Gohan could of been exhausted because the 7 year time gap of not training he uses ssj here and there we don’t know if the tournament was the first time he went 2 since cell it’s like going to the gym and having a max of 275 on bench or doing circuit training then stop going for year and come back you are not going to be able to do that again until you get used to it again so gohan could be as strong as dabura but cause he hasn’t been training like goku and vegeta his stamina for taking hits and regulating ssj forms is really low gohan might have the trigger to turn ssj2 but he can’t handle the stress on his body with it being out of shape
@mattpennell1231
2 жыл бұрын
What if King Kai , Kami and the other Kais were more involved and aware of things going on? 1a. Goku allies with dr Gero because king Kai or Kami instruct him to save his son "tfs" backstory for Android 16 1b. Android and cyborg teamates introduced early. 2. Piccolo is found younger and train with the team. 3. King Kai trains earth heroes way earlier to be stronger than Vegita, Nappa and Raditz so they can form an alliance to take over Frieza. 4. Alliance with namek, yardrat, earth made way earlier. Instant transmission, fussion, fission.... 5. Use of hyperbolic time chamber and gravity machines. 6. Broly found calmed and trained early. 7. Timeline would be madness but hopefully all the movie villans could be introduced with a few more allies out of it. 8. Humans and namekians playing a huge role because of all the techniques being available, being about to train with more of the Kais, unlocking ultimate or allowing Bulma and Dr Gero to enhance them.
@astolfo2305
2 жыл бұрын
i feel like goku no want it give god ritual to either vegeta or gohan in this what if
@isaacfields7777
2 жыл бұрын
I finally think of another what if what if frieza turn golden frieza and goku turn super saiyan blue early in planet namek instead of super saiyan vs full power I think of another one have great day carthu I'm huge fan
@sarojandongol1482
2 жыл бұрын
4:23 I thought the pecking order went : you, the dirt, the worms inside of the dirt, Popo's stool (his dung), Kami, then Popo.
@deadzone6661
Жыл бұрын
Without Buu, Mr. Satan's association with the Z Fighters would be almost nonexistent. He wouldn't have the chance to prove to them that humanity can help save the planet. There is also the possibility that he doesn't allow Gohan to date/marry Videl. If that happens, there would be no Pan, therefore no SSJG, unless they ask Shenron to find one extra saiyan for them, which would probably be Broly at that point.
@blackspooby24productions
2 жыл бұрын
Your short convinced me
@phenixgoku11
2 жыл бұрын
What if idea: what if gohan killed cell instantly
@memo1043
2 жыл бұрын
Now i wanna know what would've happened had vegeta fought against frieza first in Resurrection F
@monkegod3781
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure its the same thing that happened but Goku's and Vegeta's role is just reverse
@user-et1rr5ts4g
2 жыл бұрын
Pecking order Mr Popo
@maniksojat
2 жыл бұрын
make more part of what if gohan like goku
@danteisbuildinglvl
2 жыл бұрын
*”What if Goku married Bulma?”*
@SleepyGuyInc
2 жыл бұрын
"pecking order" shows mr popo that one was on purpose
@GuillermoV11
2 жыл бұрын
Could’ve been
@mythilysridhar5060
2 жыл бұрын
Tails stop growing when you reach adult hood
@funwithalextv1932
2 жыл бұрын
I loved it but here's an idea what if Buu did not fall asleep before the tournament and how that would happen
@omarigadlinsr
2 жыл бұрын
I think Vegeta only used Babidi’s magic to awaken that evil inside of him he was already SS2
@Sybry605
9 ай бұрын
2:17 why is there a blue aura there?
@ad7215
2 жыл бұрын
Can you continue what if gohan was like goku?
@DavidAnthonyBrill
2 жыл бұрын
What if Gohan became majin
@fernandofortes7436
11 ай бұрын
I think This is the only what if that actually ends well…
@UKLatviaBall
2 жыл бұрын
I thought when I saw the title of the vid "Oh he would unlock Super Vegeta 2 later on"
@eveningswan4491
2 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure vegeta could turn ssj2 before the Majin magic Im positive the majin power up made him a higher level ssj2. Would using future trunks fight against dabura able to determine if vegeta is stronger ? Also I always thought of this the only real difference would be gotanks wouldn’t exist and Mystic gohan wouldn’t exist, no one really got strong in the buu arc but gohan
@YungWar
2 жыл бұрын
I thought this would be crazier but still amazing U #7 still succeds
@ultimateeditor540
2 жыл бұрын
This is my daily life I see carthu I click
@bufluga9427
2 жыл бұрын
He doesn’t upload daily. Lol
@Charduza
2 жыл бұрын
@@bufluga9427 true it’s his weekly life LOL
@D-Wayne_Beat
2 жыл бұрын
Dope
@efisiospiga6540
2 жыл бұрын
What if Earth's dragon balls had the power of the namekian ones?
@yobro-yq3jr
Жыл бұрын
think about it every dbz saga started or climaxed cuz of vegeta, people rate him too much, but if he wasnt badass and cool nobodyd like him the trouble of dbz.Vegeta ordered raditz to earth.came to earth.destroyed dragonballs so evry1 went 2 namek. didnt kill gero and 19 when he didnt have the chance, 3 TIMES, let cell become perfect, and to top it all off, revived majin buu, THE BIGGEST THREAT TO LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE,(until super... anyway..)
@superiorfood-princessselen3339
7 ай бұрын
Don’t You people forget back in cell games Goku achieved the power improve to Super saiyan grade 4 but still far power ups comparing to vegeta and trunks second time came out from spirit timing training room which mean even same level but doesn't mean they power measure are consistently it has to be a gap distance between the fighters for sure
@abaidaladwan678
Жыл бұрын
If bardock's crew survives power levels would be bullshit
@harenpunzalan6459
2 жыл бұрын
What if Cell Absorbed Android 18 first?
@superskullmaster
2 жыл бұрын
I would have been over embarrassingly quick.
@ChanoCYBER9Avila
2 жыл бұрын
What if goku and vegeta were sent to earth at the same time as kids
@Minister79
2 жыл бұрын
I have a cool what if you can make What If Trunks was the legendary super saiyan
@joobit2904
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question tho so does Vegeta retain his Majin power up even after he loses the Majin mark?
@CarthusDojo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@joobit2904
2 жыл бұрын
@@CarthusDojo ok thanks been on my mind for a long time.
@mythilysridhar5060
2 жыл бұрын
He could use evil buuspowerswithoutgetting his personalityandinfluence
@zuko2543
2 жыл бұрын
"What if Mr Satan & Dende wasn't saved in the buu saga"
@kyledea187mdkjr5
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more what ifs go into the GT timeline instead of the Super timeline
@logandoige9945
2 жыл бұрын
Please do what if nappa survived. I wanna see super saiyan nappa
@HotshotABYT
2 жыл бұрын
oh yeah!!!
@TheKirro1988
2 жыл бұрын
A cross between what if frieza always trained and what is goku went to beerus planet
@gangstagummybear3432
Жыл бұрын
Time to shake up this comment section, and the internet on the subject of this theoretical fight. The overwhelming majority of people amongst internet dragonball fans, seem to LARGELY lean towards the notion that Vegeta 'easily" or "is guaranteed" to be able to beat Dabura, so I come to throw in my take, I think before tackling this fight, I think it is important that we remember Vegeta as a character. Our good friend Vegeta has a long, and extensive track record of highly overestimating himself. This guy from the very start just swore that he would easily be able to take on Goku's power, just from seeing his 9000 powerlevel, and his 18000 max powerlevel and his Galik Gun had him so confident he would beat Goku, then Goku turned on that higher level Kaioken, and he got his azz beat, later on he swore he could beat Zarbon, he swore up and down that he knew Zarbon's max power and could beat it, Zarbon unveils his other form and bullies Vegeta to near death, Vegeta even though himself initially when he was talking to Gohan and Krillen that each member of the Ginyu force is "as strong as me" lol we know that was a load of bs as Guldo was virtually the only Ginyu he was stronger than at that time, I dont even have time to dive into all the times Vegeta swore he was a SSJ but wasnt, he overestimated himself again when he thought he would be in range of Frieza's transformation but we see how that turned out, he also said when Frieza first turned into his 4th form that "so that is frieza's new body huh, well from here, he doesnt look that tough" then proceeds to get his strongest attack deflected by an easy kick by 4th form frieza at 1% of his power lol, he at one time in the Android arc tells trunks, "I am a super saiyan now and Im alot stronger that that fool Kakarot could ever dream of becoming" lol, oh how much that guy overestimated himself again, he overestimated himself fully vs the androids no need to even talk about that humiliation, he definitely overestimated himself being so confident to think he would be able to beat Cell even after he absorbed android 18 gets bullied in 4 attacks not even trying and no energy blasts needed even took his strongest kick he could muster to the head and his final flash, he overestimated himself when he thought he was the strongest amongst the Z fighters in the Cell games on like 2 occasions he thought he would scale above Goku and Cell when they were fighting at first he said something like, "if you think that's fast, just wait until you see me" he was totally confident he was stronger than Goku til Goku showed his full power, then he must have overestimated himself again when he thought, "it is painfully obvious that no one amongst this group is stronger than Kakarot, not even MYSELF" which implied that he swore he was stronger than Gohan also so once more he overestimated himself, the guy even overestimated himself shortly after this when he got his Majin powers trash talking Buu like crazy then Buu gets set off and then he gets whooped. I said all of that to say, Vegeta is an overconfident person that seems to overestimate himself, but its ok, that is something that runs in his family, for some reason his dad thought he could defeat frieza, that didnt turn out too well for him, and Trunks always hypes up his dad, in the Android series he was swearing that Vegeta was able to truly fight one on one with 18, the Vegeta gets bullied, then he hypes up Vegeta vs Cell in his Second form but gets bullied by Cell's perfect form, Trunks is later hyping up Vegeta when he looked like he was beating Buu then that changes after he is getting destroyed. So in all, the Vegeta family is full of either hyping each other up, or overestimating themselves, this is important because it will be a big factor in the fight that didnt happen. A quick note you fanboys that are trying to hype Vegeta up for being able to beat Dabura, only because in reality, this is the literal strongest legit Vegeta we get, and if we cant scale him above Dabura, even artificially, the he is beyond a fodder in the Buu arc. We need to see firstly, what exactly does Vegeta mean when talking about "power" when he is talking about it in the Buu series? I know initially, he may have been talking about a powerlevel, BUT during the fight of Gohan vs Dabura, Goku and Vegeta seem to not necessarily "fully" be talking about power levels only, but about power and fighting skill or as Vegeta said, "fighting sense" so I question at all if Vegeta actually meant he could beat Dabura because he thinks he is stronger than him, or because the mix of ALL of his strength, including his fighting skill and power, would allow him to be more effective than that current Gohan was against Buu. Ofcourse alot can be said about Dabura at that point, but what would Vegeta have really said if he was the first to fight Dabura? Anyone can say something after seeing someone from the sidelines, but what happens if you never see that person fight, that was shown in this series the disadvantage of not seeing someone fight. Now onto what proof do we truly have that Vegeta wasnt just running his mouth like he usually does? The only person we have proof of Vegeta fighting, and beating is Pui Pui, outside of that, all you can do is take his word for it, but can you? After initially talking about Dabura, the interesting thing is, Goku says, " What's Gohan thinking? A direct attack wont work on this guy." and Vegeta replies, "that's what you get when you dont train for 7 years, he's completely lost his fighting sense" so from what Goku suggested, Goku and Vegeta might not be outright more powerful than Dabura like yo u want yourself to believe if they are saying "a direct attack wont work on this guy" unless you have some proof that they (Goku and Vegeta) could fight him with direct attacks and it would work against him, of which you have no proof of. Moreover to the Gohan argument, so, I think Gohan wasnt as far away from Goku and Vegeta as some want themselves to believe, MAYBE Goku, but Vegeta, I doubt it, outside of the ship, after Dabura turned Picollo and Krillen to stone then Killed Kabito, there was a scuffle between Goku and Vegeta in base vs Dabura, they couldnt do squat to him, Gohan Dabura post Dabura meditating, and bringing his power up to max, and Gohan landed a big hit on him that caused him to retaliate with enough that Gohan found it necessary to go SSJ2, so the question is, is Goku's and Vegeta's SSJ somehow so much stronger than Gohan's knowing this, also, I dont get why so many people are claiming Goku went SSJ2 against Yakon, when he was SSJ regular. and knowing that, how much stronger could their SSJ2's be vs Gohan's, we saw Gohan's base tested vs Dabura in a stronger meditated state compared against Goku and Vegeta simultaneously attack Dabura outside and didnt do anything. I think Dabura is alot stronger than people want themselves to believe, only because they know, if he isnt ATLEAST weaker than Vegeta, then Vegeta gets no stronger in the Buu series other than his Majin upgrade which isnt his power and fusion which also isnt his power. I think we dont see Dabura fight seriously til he fights Fat Buu, we know he had to be stronger than Gohan by quite alot at that time, because he was able to do alot more damage to Buu than Gohan at that time. I am certain Vegeta and Goku's ssj2 isnt that far outside of the range of Gohan's as a kid, that is confirmed by Picollo's statement about not having felt power like Vegeta's since Gohan fought Cell. I think the biggest factor in determining that Dabura is a heck of alot stronger than you people want to believe is, Vegeta and Goku went from not thinking anything of Buu, to getting their entire fight interrupted because of a hit being inflicted on Dabura, Buu's power had to be very significant for them to stop their fight just from feeling he energy exchange of him getting hit. Besides, Vegeta claims, "if if avoid his spit I know I can beat him" not sure how he would know that, but ok bro. Dabura saw Goku's SSJ power display that Vegata was so impressed by that he at that moment thought to himself that he needed to let Babidi possess him to get up to Goku's level, but Dabura wasnt impressed by it at all, when he first came in the room, he offered to fight all 3 of them at once. The breathing hard means nothing in power vs power one being higher or lower, or 2 powers supposedly being the same, Goku and Frieza were at one point breathing hard, but Goku's powerlevel was 30 million higher than Frieza's so Dabura could have been alot stronger than Gohan, that doesnt have to mean they were "both tired" or that Dabura was "going all out" lol. So one more point, Vegeta was the only one claiming he could beat Buu definitively, but we know he was bluffing, because he claimed also while he was acting out his true purpose of bluffing, which was to clue Babidi and Dabura in to use his power to possess him, that was the reason for his attitude during that time, everything during the time in that ship post Vegeta seeing Goku's SSJ powers.
@beonowak6414
Жыл бұрын
nice essay too bad no one read it
@ethanhoyte5887
2 жыл бұрын
No offence but goku staying dead all that time up till super is a MASSIVE difference. Since time moves differently for the dead, so 4 years alive is like how many thousands of years dead?? So goku being dead all that time training constantly his power would be extraordinary. His base alone would drop anyone previously that was a threat wouldnt breaking a sweat. Then adding ssjgod onto that he might of given berrus a better fight even without the god form wouldnt have gone the same way mean he would of lost without god ki but he wouldnof at least dun better than the first time
@aadilsalam4601
2 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering about a what if for a while now and I'm not sure the people I recommended it to will actually make a video about so please carthu can your next video be what if Gohan became a super saiyan at the start of z you know how like Gohan got kidnapped but escaped and headbut Raditz cause his dad was hurt and he had a burst of energy due to his anger of his dads pain and the whole story of dragon ball would drastically change now please consider this please
@christophermoore4425
2 жыл бұрын
What if majin buu absorbed Goku black and zamasu
@anikabeauty547
10 ай бұрын
I don't get why Shin would feel too sad by Kabito dying. It has been shown in the anime that dead people can go to the Supreme Kai's planet.
@mystic_bladez8215
2 жыл бұрын
What if piccolo produced an offspring instead of training gohan for the battle against the saiyans.
@SolidArc91
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the music used in 2:14?
@SolidArc91
Жыл бұрын
Glad to know no one knows. I think it’s Enigma
@fatfoxclown
2 жыл бұрын
well we did speed up the redemption arc for vegeta and bypass buu thats pretty good also gohan may still keep his piccolo clothes vs the goku gi (which I hated seeing him in)
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