In the 4e rule book I had near by, there are approximately seven pages describing creature abilities. Three of them are dedicated to banding (it has a quiz on it too!).
@simonteesdale9752
4 жыл бұрын
Notably, you missed how banding works differently on blocks. When attacking, you can have any number of creatures with banding and up to one without in a band. When blocking, you must have at least one creature with banding and any number without in a band.
@turbosaxophonic6210
3 жыл бұрын
Technically any creatures with banding that are blocking don't count as a band since you already can multi-block, they just retain their damage redirection ability.
@echoesvayne9790
Жыл бұрын
@turbosaxophonic6210 yeah, but that damage redirect is what makes it the best original mechanic... a 1/1 with banding chumps a million power trample attacker
@TheBlueFoxeh
11 ай бұрын
@@echoesvayne9790can you assign more damage than a creature has toughness? Wouldn't it still trample through?
@CruxOfTheMatter
11 ай бұрын
@@TheBlueFoxeh I was wondering the same thing.
@peakeythebard1454
10 ай бұрын
Also how damage can actually be split up between creatures in a way that doesn't kill them, in accordance with the old rules of damage assignment, as well as being able to overassign damage to a single creature, effectively nullifying the effects of trample.
@anaphysik
4 жыл бұрын
Actually a pretty good and fair explanation of banding (I play with banding in my personal cube). However, a few comments: --the narration says "you still have to follow the normal rules for damage distribution" which is just plain false and misleading. The illustrated example on the other hand correctly shows that damage-assignment-order and assigning-lethal-damage are ignored completely when banding is affecting combat damage. Order must still be chosen by each player (in case no creatures on one side or the other have banding by the time damage assignment occurs), but this order usually ends up being ignored. --video forgets to mention that on defense, only a single blocker needs to have banding in order for a player to gain its benefit (technically, this is true on offense as well, but that's a fringe scenario since it involves creatures losing banding after a band is already declared). Usually when explaining banding, I start with blocking, since multiblocking is already a normal part of Magic (unlike the 'multiattacking' rules-hack that bands are) and it makes the ACTUAL benefit of banding the immediate focus. However, the video did do a good job of pivoting away from band formation towards noting the actual benefit of banding.
@russellee5216
4 жыл бұрын
So you don't have to assign lethal damage to your bandmates. Also, what if one of the creatures in the band can block any number of creatures, that is a no go because special traits aren't shared across creatures of the band? But what if they can all block an additional creature?
@anaphysik
4 жыл бұрын
@@russellee5216 Bands are only a thing while attacking -- they're effectively a "rules hack" to mimic multi-blocking. Bands do not exist for blockers. Also, you don't actually block an attacking band -- technically a creature blocks a creature-that's-in-a-band, and then the rules state that that causes it to block each other creature in the band as well.
@russellee5216
4 жыл бұрын
@@anaphysik Huh cool. Thanks. I just have banding in my Arcades, the Strategist deck because it felt right. In addition to cards like Defensive Formation.
@anaphysik
4 жыл бұрын
@@russellee5216 So for instance, if you have a blocker with banding that can block additional creatures, and you have it block two creatures, each in separate attacking bands (and thus each other creature in those bands becomes blocked by the creature as well) (this is a bizarre situation, btw, but ok), then come damage assignment time you will decide how each creature in both of those bands splits up its damage, to either this creature or any of your other creatures that happen to be blocking the creatures of that particular band (commonly, you either divide up the damage enough so that none of your creatures die, or you dump all of the damage onto your most expendable creature). (And your opponent, presumably still having a banding creature in each of those bands, will decide how your blockers split up their damage.)
@anaphysik
4 жыл бұрын
@@russellee5216 Yeah, Defensive Formation is essentially your-blockers-have-banding.
@piotrsekowski6511
4 жыл бұрын
I expected the video to be 5 seconds and the feller would just say "We don't know. Nobody knows"
@cooperthyne7019
3 жыл бұрын
Underrated video. Very well done!
@thelightwielder
Жыл бұрын
I had a banding deck back in the day, still have the cards
@charlescraft5582
2 ай бұрын
Planning on making a banding pauper deck. Gonna have this video on standby for games lol
@Chrisxantixemox
3 жыл бұрын
Wait so if normal damage rules apply, then how are you distributing damage across your creatures without assigning lethal first?
@warwulf1889
8 ай бұрын
I'm surprised Boros never tried Banding. They could probably make it work.
@DonovanPresents
4 жыл бұрын
If one creature without banding has indestructible? Can you send all the damage to the creature that cannot die?
@anaphysik
4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@JayemelMusicUniverse16
3 жыл бұрын
Yooo, thats bonkers and super handy, especially if a creature attacking you has deathtouch and a creature in a band has indestrucable, assign the damage to the indestructable creature and everyone is safe. So cool!!
@zealcrux
4 жыл бұрын
Y’all wild for this one. Ilysm.
@Nagadosch
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to know now what color banding on KZitem is and how it can be solved, thanks so much!
@lauravturner
2 жыл бұрын
I kind of want to build a banding commander deck and bring it to my LGS, just for shits and giggles. I think my brain glazed over trying to process this though, so maybe at a later date.
@sirwobble265
11 ай бұрын
There's an old enchantment that gives all your walls +1/+0 and banding. It's really good at making people never attack you. Especially since there's a wall that can block any number of creatures. I just built a Pramikon deck so I had to scour all the super old obscure wall tech.
@SomethingWittyIdk
3 ай бұрын
@@sirwobble265gotta love super obscure old card tech. Dad gave me his old MTG collection and there's a ton of weird cards with weird wording
@Bhit_Whyz
Жыл бұрын
"Bands with other" is more complicated than simply banding with restrictions. 702.22c: "They may also declare that one or more attacking [quality] creatures with “bands with other [quality]” and any number of other attacking [quality] creatures are all in a band." This means if I have a Mountain Stronghold and a red legendary on the battlefield, it can band with any number of other legendary creatures, not up to one creature without "bands with other". Bands with other is limited to specifically creatures of that quality, but with the bonus that it can be any number of them. While the actual effect of the band in combat is identical, the construction is different. Additionally, although I don't think this was misstated in the video, 'Bands with others' and 'Banding' don't work together. If I have a Benalish Hero, a Grizzly Bear, a red legend, and Mountain Stronghold, I cannot form a band with all 3 of them. I can band Benalish Hero with either the Grizzly bears or the red legend, but not both (even though the legend has bands with other). Or if I had a band of legendary creatures using their "bands with other legends," I couldn't include a Benalish Hero.
@junoflamini7382
8 ай бұрын
Only came here to do research on a banding Odric, Lunarch marshell EDH deck bc it sounds good
@theetiologist9539
Жыл бұрын
Mutate is far more complicated and less good than banding.
@IzzetNilson
Жыл бұрын
So is banding literally just the player who attacks or blocks with a band gets to decide who gets to assign combat damage? "Bands with other" aside.
@anaphysik
10 ай бұрын
Pretty much yes. The complicated rules for creating bands exist only because 'multi-attacking' doesn't naturally exist in Magic the way that multi-blocking does (bands don't technically exist on blocking because they have no need to; the whole "create a band" aspect is just a rules trick -- the downside hoop that you jump through in order to make the *real* power of banding work on attacks). E.g. the card Defensive Formation essentially gives your blockers banding, and that ability is pretty straightforward to understand (even if the gameplay outcomes of that ability are complex). The rules for banding are wordy, but it's the kind of thing that becomes *vastly* clearer once you play with it a little, and see the actual benefit to it (messing up all of your opponent's combat math). It *does* increase board complexity a *lot* though, since there's a lot more ways that combat could go. That being said, I nonetheless think it's a fun mechanic whenever I've gotten to play with it (in my personal cube; in Old School; in Masters Edition drafts, etc). And that's coming from someone who doesn't have the benefit of playing with banding its heyday, but rather only much later. When I at last got to sit down and understand and play with banding, I was surprised at how overblown the memes about it were. It's actually just good and fun.
@dehydratedculture9126
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much
@mdover2948
3 жыл бұрын
Banding should come back as just a defensive keyword.
@anaphysik
4 жыл бұрын
(Video description is copied from the flash video, btw.)
@CardKingdomMTG
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Here we thought we could just band the descriptions together. :( Thanks for letting us know!
@tinss619
Ай бұрын
I watched this whole ass video and I still don't know how banding works lol
@michaeltrinh4394
Ай бұрын
So, sliver banding...
@AnimeWolf5193
2 жыл бұрын
Was curious cause I heard a lot of jokes about this.
@mattatlas8895
4 жыл бұрын
What is Overload?
@JalebJay
4 жыл бұрын
This isn't April 1st
@jwj63645
3 жыл бұрын
Is anyone else confused???
@jwj63645
3 жыл бұрын
It sounds so complicated I dont want to band, lol
@mechadrake
Жыл бұрын
Literally did not explain banding. Just got a card in a booster with it, so I guess it is possible to use it again..
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