i was a vegetarian for a few years, i have been a plant based vegan for over two months have watched dominion listened to Joey carbstrong and earthling Ed am feeling healthier and could'nt imagine eating our pet sheep, goats, chickens, ducks and geese. My husband is gradually eating more plants and less meat and even fish, im not pushing but he is realising it's better for his health and the health of the animals
@amandaneumann5452
3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I LOOOOVE Joey and Ed SOOOOOOOO MUCH!!! Aren’t they amazing!?!?!? I call them Vegan John the Baptist and Vegan Jesus!!! Hahaha!!!
@prajeshpalaniraj7072
3 жыл бұрын
@@amandaneumann5452 I too!
@pompei1968
3 жыл бұрын
You are right about your health . But at least do it for the Animals
@prajeshpalaniraj7072
3 жыл бұрын
@@pompei1968 Hat's off Mam!🙏
@robinjames7967
2 жыл бұрын
joey has a pretty high conversion rate.. speaking from experience..
@WDWmommy
3 жыл бұрын
wow trolls, doesn't take long for you to show up, which indicates you probably didn't actually listen, so your words hold zero value to any conversation about this as you aren't willing to hear both sides of the argument. Surprise.... there are conservative, educated, proud American people that are vegans as well! Thank you for sharing your story Dr. Joy and PB News for sharing it!
@stevesoutdoorworld4340
3 жыл бұрын
space aliens
@beingsanctified3664
3 жыл бұрын
**raises hand**
@stevesoutdoorworld4340
3 жыл бұрын
@@beingsanctified3664 Thank you!
@vegansaxon3962
3 жыл бұрын
I don't call myself conservative but I do seem to align with them on many things. ..no way did I vote for biden and harris...Vegan for the animals
@PerpetualPreponderer
3 жыл бұрын
These two are absolutely among the increasingly rare breed of saner folks around. Being truly well intentioned vs being an “activist” and using it as an excuse to hate people, eventually shows up. The world is diverse & there are all sorts of cultures, peoples, and belief systems. If you fight for compassion then you have to foremost display it in your every action. Keep it up 👍
@elmoscosocratico8129
3 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how Earthling Ed's idea of using the socratic method covers so many of the points that Dr. Melany Joy talks about here. They are both like guiding stars for me as an activist. Thank you!
@wobblybobengland
3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Joy is then around five years older than I am from that reckoning. Yet another Vegan who looks more than ten years younger than most ladies of her age.
@stevesoutdoorworld4340
3 жыл бұрын
She is an alien from planet Exatexa and not a real earth human!
@fromeveryting29
3 жыл бұрын
My mom has been vegetarian and in periods vegan for 30 years. She is frequently mistaken to be her sisters daughter, and her moms granddoughter. She is 55, but looks 40 now. Maybe there is something to it :)
@lesterlasa3367
3 жыл бұрын
Very very interesting thanks I’ve been vegan for four years now
@michellebud234
3 жыл бұрын
What an impactful and important message. Thank you Dr Joy! Yet another wonderful interview from PBN. 💜
@djash7161
3 жыл бұрын
The Truth Hurts and she put it on you so calmly Truthfully
@dimdesup954
2 жыл бұрын
What a pleasure to listen Dr. Melanie Joy ❤️
@Human_Herbivore
Жыл бұрын
The subject of shame is much more complex because people claim you are shaming them when you aren't. Sometimes it seems that the growth of veganism generates more resistance and the battle is between which grows fastest. People say that using questions is the way to go because it allows people to find their own answers. However, perhaps more important is what questions are asked and how they are delivered. We need to recognise that we can't make people go vegan because, just like us, it is an action and choice for the individual. That's why education and indeed delivery of that education is most important.
@Kaori832
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Ur conversation was very informative. Respected u both.
@Lilylibra
3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. If only every human were gifted with the basic understanding and acceptance that we share the earth with animals and they are no less entitled to be here than we are. Mahatma Gandhi sums it up for me. “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
@AtypicalPaul
2 жыл бұрын
I love that she said non human animals. We are animals too and that doesn't get pointed out enough.
@jessieheartart
Жыл бұрын
Shes my hero❤❤❤
@glennbishopbishthemagish
2 жыл бұрын
A plant based diet that gave me type 2 diabetes in the first place. I now will continue to eat meat, eggs, cheese, fish, and drink milk no matter what the vegan hate trolls say, or the so called peer reviewed studies they link to, or want any vegan propaganda video says.
@RVP1955
2 жыл бұрын
I love it that you said that was your favorite books. Keep up the good work.
@talks2squirrels953
Жыл бұрын
One thing I do think this conversation missed is ( in the US) we are trained as children to build our status by being "better" than others. Capitalism depends on competitors trying to out "status" each other. Being a "better" vegan or better person through shaming is driven also by trying to build up your own status to built up our own ego. We are trained as childern to build ourselves up by being better than others around you. Get the better grades, have the better things, wear the more expensive clothes, be faster, cooler, prettier, more successful...
@dwainsmith448
3 жыл бұрын
No one can make you feel shame unless you allow them to.
@Cat_Woods
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I love her. She simultaneously explains 2 things I find perplexing: 1. why animal products seem like a fanatical religion, and 2. how the moral superiority of some vegans hurts veganism. On top of that, she validates something I've needed to do since long before going vegan: the need to limit exposure to debilitating information, however true. I now know much more of the suffering of animals in, for example, the dairy industry, and I'm willing to tell people if they are willing to hear, but I cannot watch footage of it if I don't want to be debilitated with depression for a long time.
@nathanielg.m.888
3 жыл бұрын
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@greyhnd001
3 жыл бұрын
My dad got prostate cancer form dairy and I researched and found out dairy meat and processed foods where all an issue that feeds or causes cancer heart disease diabetes and all sorts of other issues. I quit pretty quick. I would still eat a pizza at one of my kids birthday party if I was starving. I learned to eat before those parties. I am morman now and found our words of wisdom written around 1830 suggested we eat grains veggies fruits and spices. Not all normans are whole food plant based. I have brought it up to some of the church people. I let them know research backs it even though its stated in the words of wisdom
@justinoo777
2 жыл бұрын
World lives on addictions; if you master how to overcome them, you will have a greater chance of convincing other people. Reviring one's brain is a long process.
@Kiyarose3999
2 жыл бұрын
I think some people carry on eating animals even after the horror they’ve seen etc, cos they think we are Omnivores. Even though no Omnivore would get upset, but get excited and just see a meal.
@vaneshiathompson9478
3 жыл бұрын
Been pescatarian for almost two years. And I've seen the changes dramatically. I had issues with digestive and bowl movements etc. Yet once I became pescatarian, all that changed for the better. I didn't need medication like before and overall improvement to other issues. My skin got more clear, less inflammation, have more energy.
@Sarahizahhsum
3 жыл бұрын
You'll be even happier cutting out fish! Algae oil is great for direct DHA and EPA!
@vaneshiathompson9478
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sarahizahhsum Most of the week, I eat vegetarian however I do splurge a few times a week with fish. However even if I cut out fish completely. I wouldn't be able to go vegan. I love cheese and vegan cheese to me isn't good. I've tried so many different kinds.
@Ad_Inferno
3 жыл бұрын
@@vaneshiathompson9478 This is always so interesting to me when people say this because of the link between saturated fat (the biggest dietary source of which is dairy) and heart disease. With the knowledge that the cheese you love could literally kill you, doesn't that make it analogous to smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol? Just my perspective on it that we would roll our eyes at people who say they love those things too much to quit, but to have an addiction to cheese is societally accepted. And I don't understand why there's that disconnect.
@stevesoutdoorworld4340
3 жыл бұрын
@@vaneshiathompson9478 Just eat carnivore and you will feel great!
@vaneshiathompson9478
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ad_Inferno I have cut put everything aside from cheese. I am attempting to try and cut it out completely and eat it less then I used to. I may never go vegan but I truly have respect for them. I will continue on the path to cutting out things.
@eatplantsloveanimals
3 жыл бұрын
I think Dr Joy's work is incredible and so valuable and helpful. However, I disagree that every vegan must be healthy relational beings in order to spread the movement. The only thing we need to be clear about is WHY we're vegan and focus on the ethical aspect. This is something I recently realized after watching Earthling Ed and Alex O'Connor and reading the volunteer guidelines of Anonymous for the Voiceless. Did the abolitionists tiptoe around slave owners so they wouldn't hurt their feelings? We have to be clear that what we're doing to animals and the planet is WRONG. And if that makes someone feel ashamed, then it means they have a conscience and that's a good thing.
@kurtmill9080
2 жыл бұрын
I do think the point is just to share/spread the message and encourage people to find the resources necessary for transition. We can't force people and it's true that actively shaming people doesn't really work in most cases. However. shame and guilt inherently will come up when talking about veganism In the future I doubt people will care much about how "wrongly" the message was conveyed when we're living in a vegan world connected to the Earth and life thereupon. In the same way we don't so much care whether people did abolishing slavery right, or landing on the moon right, or advocating the Internet right, or shifting away from segregation right. Not to say the ends justify the means, but when the goal is met, value can be extracted from all paths more comprhensively.
@Kaori832
2 жыл бұрын
We don't need everybody to go Vegan.We just need enough people to be Vegan enough.And when enough people are vegan enough,then we will have a tipping point that will help us really move toward a Vegan World. We just started.
@ronaldwong6092
2 жыл бұрын
Meat 160F. Chicken 165F.
@justinoo777
2 жыл бұрын
She is my type of woman. :)
@talks2squirrels953
Жыл бұрын
cell based meat would be so good for feeding cats and dogs..
@thinkinoutloud.1
3 жыл бұрын
I don't agree that eating a lot of meat or different varieties of it goes hand in hand with authoritarianism. No, there are a lot of mild mannered people that eat more meat than vegetables and fruits.
@joelonghany2461
3 жыл бұрын
The study Dr Joy references is a correlation showing results from carnism questionnaire. Thise who are more comfortable eating animals also tend to score higher on social dominance orientation and authoritarianism. It isn’t a claim that eating meat goes hand and hand with authoritarianism. There are a lot of people who eat meat and are quite uncomfortable with their participation in the slaughter of animals. Listen back to what she says at 10:30 - 11:25 in the video.
@thinkinoutloud.1
3 жыл бұрын
@@joelonghany2461 I should have listened more closely, I must've been multi-tasking and not paying close attention.
@jmatthewssmith
3 жыл бұрын
Another problem is the teachings in the religious books. also, And your Mom gave you the first foods. Hard to give up the that past.
@rioourpuprioourpup9535
3 жыл бұрын
This is the same problem, why do people go to a church that continuously rapes murders and sodomizes children!!!! And those people think they get to heaven- but will actually burn in a place called purgatory!! Crazy!! People have lost their brains and reasoning- I believe these people have been given over to vile affections as the Bible speaks of… and I just pray for them and hope they come to the truth as they are prideful and cannot be reached
@rioourpuprioourpup9535
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry- I displayed shaming behavior …. I need to learned how to respect these people- it translates to every area of life- respecting other cultures to animals/birds/fish/etc It had to swallow what people allow and overlook😢
@Appleblade
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what Dr. Joy would say about eating road kill. Scavenging. Would that be okay?
@Appleblade
3 жыл бұрын
@nathan johnson Road kill is often delicious... deer, elk, rabbit... and nutritious. Dr. Joy seems to be against killing, but if you can eat animals without killing them, would she approve then?
@MyLaura33
3 жыл бұрын
@@Appleblade No because the human body is not designed to swallow dead animals from head to toe to oral enzymes to colon length to the inflammatory response that occurs with every meal of flesh. If we were suppose to eat cadaver, we'd be the healthiest society instead of the sickest, fattest.
@Appleblade
3 жыл бұрын
@@MyLaura33 No. That's an old and wrong understanding of our physiology. Amber O'Hearn has a nice video explaining this: kzitem.info/news/bejne/2XeNuJl7pmadY6w
@fromeveryting29
3 жыл бұрын
@@Appleblade Ethically eating from the body of someone who is already dead, or indeed "stealing" from humans who are dead with no family for comparison, isn't neccecarily a moral evil. But it could insetivice people to start to run over animals "on accident" in order to eat them, which IS unethical. It's not a very relevant point to bring up. Vegans aren't against the EATING of meat, but the mistreatment, exploitation and killing of individuals who have an interest to live - which in 2021 typically means not buying animal products.
@Appleblade
3 жыл бұрын
@@fromeveryting29 Okay then, but what about eating animals that are almost dead... say, within a few months of dying... they don't know they're being killed, they have no biological goals to accomplish... they've procreated, raised their young, and now they're just eating and pooping and standing around. Suppose, also, that death from aging or disease is more painful than being killed by a skilled human harvester. Then?
@01mustang05
3 жыл бұрын
An hour and seven minutes? JC! Simple answer to the title: INFLUENCE OF SO-CALLED ADULTHOOD ON CHILDHOOD. Done and Done in less than a minute ffs!
@stevesoutdoorworld4340
3 жыл бұрын
Well said Fred!
@Cliodhna-z1i
3 жыл бұрын
This pessimism kek. The food keeps growing the air is good every day, the sun is raising every morning. People dumb to think that a planet will implode its so funny to watch.
@gaemsae4670
3 жыл бұрын
You had me until she started going on about BLM and #metoo
@ramonmuniz8439
3 жыл бұрын
Plants are so delicious. If anyone had told 20years ago that I will become a vegan, I would have told them, that were crazy. I became a vegetarian 15 years ago, then a vegan and became a strictly whole plant base eater. In my journey, I reversed diabetes, high blood pressure, gastritis, chronic constipation, acid reflux and hemorrhoids among many others nuisances. Also lost 90 pounds, and work out every day. At 65 I could run circles around most people half my age. I took medications for 10years, up to 12 pills a day. Last time I took medications was in February 2007. Also I have learned about what the meat and dairy industry are doing to us as individuals, society as a whole, animals and the planet. I don't waste an opportunity to try to educate people about it, even that it becomes almost impossible when most people don't want to hear it. I appreciate when people like you take this message to the masses, may be humanity still a chance. There's no planet B.
@Kaori832
2 жыл бұрын
Respect!
@RegitzesCatHome
3 жыл бұрын
It's great to get this perspective on veganisme too. I have been wondering about all these questions for years. Why can't other people see that killing animals is wrong in so many ways?
@oliverjudson1834
3 жыл бұрын
i dont care i like meat its good and healthy
@Sergio2006A
3 жыл бұрын
Melanie Joy is the cool aunt I wish I had.
@amindra963
3 жыл бұрын
Spiritually advanced! But sadly the world is far from knowing this Truth.
@Hipoporita
3 жыл бұрын
What an inspiring conversation! It truly hit the spots on many feel the need of guidance. Thank you so much both for sharing!
@lljl5310
3 жыл бұрын
Damn if you do good, damn if you do bad! Continue with your life style and educating people, continue doing good. There still always be negative critics out there. Thank you for the upload!
@toprajesh1
3 жыл бұрын
You guys are inspiring, loved the conversation!
@robertwall2970
3 жыл бұрын
Lucid, Important, Stimulating and INSPIRING! Thanks to both of you.
@DrayseSchneider
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video and so relevant for so many socio-economic advocacy actions. The idea that it's more important to reach the masses rather than maintain ideological purity seems to be a growing concept. Regrettably I come to veganism and a plant based diet later in life. There were times when my wife, back when she and I were married, would attempt to be vegan, but with no help or instruction it ended disastrously yet I supported her attempts fully even defending her decision against family members who felt offended by the idea. Similarly when my oldest went vegan, I spent much of my time fielding attacks from "concerned" family members. Weirdly, I may not have become vegan if it weren't for the influence of my ex and oldest daughter.
@Sarahizahhsum
3 жыл бұрын
Congrats for going vegan! The social ostricizing can take its toll. I'm already feeling it..
@fromeveryting29
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sarahizahhsum It's truly the "hardest" part of being vegan, but so worth it when you think about the animals! And who knows who you will eventually influence? I had no idea I could influence others, but actually me speaking out a little has had massive ripple effects. It even landed me a job at the first ever vegan restaurant in my tiny home town! You never know until you take that uncomfortable step and live and speak your values.
@talks2squirrels953
Жыл бұрын
The post powerful force to diet change is a vegan daughter - Dr Kim Williams 😂 ( he is right!)
@hechss
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the interview, and particularly for dividing it into KZitem chapters.
@maomao180
3 жыл бұрын
Eckhart Tolle? 🤮
@CHUCHOMERCHAN
2 жыл бұрын
brilliant brilliant interview../.love from colombia
@ss6830
3 жыл бұрын
It's addictive, and ingrained. I refused to eat meat as a baby. I don't eat much of it now, but it is hard to figure out yummy vegan foods. This is the problem. People are just on autopilot, doing what they are told, not researching
@chubbatheBOSS
7 ай бұрын
I came across a vegan channel called David Ramms and he shames and demonizes people like crazy. It’s very demoralizing and I commented once about vegans needing to be more compassionate in our communication and treating people with dignity even if they’re meat eaters and his followers wrote all these nasty replies- felt like bullying. It’s odd that some of these vegans who are about compassion can become bullies if we don’t follow exactly as they think. Compassion needs to come from all sides- thought, speech, and action..
@PlantPoweredRadio
3 жыл бұрын
why don't all vegans support "cellular agriculture?" does it really guarantee an end to animal ag, or is it a way of extending the philosophy that suggests it's ok to profit off animals, plants, and this new technological product? if you're interested in understanding why some vegans oppose it, john sanbonmatsu is a good starting point. kzitem.info/news/bejne/14SqnpuVeoydgJg
@robinjames7967
2 жыл бұрын
11:28 I think carnism is sociopathic.. but that's me..
@elnosworld9893
2 жыл бұрын
In addition to everything that was mentioned here not only in the video but in my comment, I think it’s super important that people stop calling at me in a song or a vegan movement because the moment people hear that they are automatically triggered they don’t even really understand it or know what it is they have an idea and it’s completely an opposition of their current belief system and lifestyle. It should really be about the animal movement honestly or the planet movement or less just Collett the earth movement Terra truth Gaia Truth Divine Truth Call it whatever you like but I do think that vegan labels have put mud on her face and that’s because of all the bad press around it all of the emotional triggers and traumas or people have been militant and have been coming after people gilding and shaming pointing fingers and blaming and yet they all walk that path before they got to that point we just need to encourage people to do better because they know better and maybe they don’t want all the facts because they resist them knowing how painful it will be to conceive it knowing that they participated in that and didn’t educate themselves and how about the emotional trauma that they had against the parents who raised them to believe that that was the natural way of living And they Now begin to internalize and attack themselves for all the decisions they made based on lies and false beliefs based on culture to break that down it’s cult you are I went through that process myself I’d beat myself up so hard in the beginning of my journey 15 years ago it makes sense that I would take that out on other people I was trying to offload I was trying to dump I was trying to excavate and get rid of all of this pain and unfortunately I was using it to harm other people because I was hurting I don’t do that much anymore I will be very blunt and honest but I very rarely come after someone because they’re different although the desperation is there to make a difference to wake people up to open their eyes to the truth maybe if they saw they would be traumatized into changing? Kind of like when a person is traumatized into changing their entire lifestyle because they receive a diagnosis that is terminal? I think a lot of wrong thinking goes on and I think most of us are really not qualified to think and we are definitely stick very heavily in our dogmas our beliefs and those are always subject to change as we start to expand as individuals I think we all need to come to the same page and a lovely circle that support one another like the doctor says and try to compassionately lovingly and kindly show people a better way and I think that’s why a lot of these channels who are showing people how to live A better more rewarding life is encouraging more people to take that leap of faith because they have someone here who is supporting them and providing them with information as well as recipes and how to’s They can’t imagine in their mind which is another problem that I had in the beginning I would literally be crying over a bowl of vegetable broth end cooked veg But of course there’s so many options today that there weren’t when I began my journey I literally thought OK I made this commitment and I can’t turn back because like she said I cannot on see what I have already seen and it broke my heart I was literally bleeding from my heart I was having nightmares I was very angry I was very depressed and I was feeling very guilty very ashamed and also hopeless because I really didn’t know how to make this transition I just knew that it had to be made ironically looking back my reaction made things much much worse than they actually were and I kind of chuckled to myself because it really wasn’t that difficult it was just my thinking and my feeling around it that made it much harder than it had to be Once again we are definitely seeing a difference in the world today thankfully so I think taking a moment for gratitude rather than looking at it as a movement to just be grateful for all the people who have become aware conscious and willing to be the change in the world that we all wish to see It’s super important See you’re talking about destroying something and creating something that is reminiscent of the horrors that are actually happening and even though it obtains a goal and you talk about it being your side that is where the problem is you’re causing division there should be no sides I personally do not support those productions of making fake this fake that because it saves animals I don’t I think it’s gross I think it’s on natural I also believe it’s unhealthy and I don’t think that you’re looking at it from that aspect but I do think if you start to take a closer look as to what the ramifications are consuming that that you’re basically selling out the humans for the animals and that’s not OK either this Hass to be a win-win situation for everyone unfortunately there are no shortcuts and are no easy way out you must go through it you must do the right thing and you cannot try to put a Band-Aid on something and that is essentially what you are recommending what you were suggesting here in this video and the price that you pay for the division Igetting people on your side is where people don’t wanna join your bandwagon because now they think you have an agenda and it isn’t in favor of everyone When you talk about flash versus the sentient being it cannot be done flash is not healthy for you I mean you’re looking past all the important information about what flash does to the body and what it represents if it reminds people of the animal it’s triggering their emotional traumas and there is no way around that you cannot except that to be OK knowing that this practice came from thousands of years of animal abuse the animal genocide itself that we know today needless to say it is unnatural I am promise you it is unhealthy and it is completely taking people away from The truth by asking them to take on a practice that was lab created in order to not participate in the horrors that have been going on but you’re eliminating all the other important information and not taking those things into consideration either so yes I am one of those people that is completely against it we are going back to the way things should have always been our ancestors did not consume many animals it was considered a luxury and those people who were able to afford it died early ages and with horrible illnesses and discomfort before they ever left this planet the compromising of their quality of life all of that was Present even then so we don’t want to white wash the situation honestly it isn’t helping anyone cope transition or improve their health and overall that is what we’re supposed to be doing we’re supposed to be improving our well-being with being mindful and conscious of the animals well-being to Honestly there are so many different components to this so-called movement that the central part of revolve around health You cannot exclude that you cannot substitute that and hear you’re saying in a very subtle way that this is not intended for vegans but in fact for non-vegans which is a lack of consideration for that individual‘s well-being also this is a problem because now you’ve made a trade offer compromise that takes one sentient being into consideration and not considering the other so long is the goal or the objective is met this is a problem 🔥🤍🔥
@elnosworld9893
2 жыл бұрын
I understand the context of this message and I understand that this is an important area but I also want to point out that part of the observations I have made is how this is energetically affecting individuals were unaware of the fact that it is possible and that it is happening. People believe that the unseen is not real it’s not tangible therefore it can affect you well we know in the case of 5G that is not true but how do we translate that from eating the emotional body of these animals who are distraught ill diseased suffering with heavy emotional burdens from the maltreatment and the abuse that they are receiving? You are an energetic being and your aura is recording everything your body is depositing everything like it was a bank account. In other words your body records absolutely everything that is happening in your world whether it’s something that you are contributing or someone else is contributing. And mentally you might not have all the data or information. Because you’re not able to see what isn’t visible to you yet you’re not conscious enough you’re not aware enough you’re not concerned enough. Then there’s the other Elements which are extremely difficult to converse about and that is what happens when a human is consuming things like tumors and cancers this isn’t even a main stream conversation not in the vegan community or any other community that I’m aware of to date. And this is also in the byproduct of animal products. Meaning you will be able to most likely test for these things in the lab and find that they are there and they could not be eradicated through pasteurization. Then there’s the conversation about incompatible DNA these are not common conversations as a matter fact are almost nonexistent. Now I am a health psychic and the information that I am given in regards to a persons well-being includes all of the above that I have mentioned here and I would love to hear people talk about this I would like to see more attention focused on these matters and that means a collaboration with people who are ready doing something similar but using that information to collect data in different ways but why not call them why not ask them to help verify if these things are in fact a real issue and if they are affecting us how can we find out how can we work together and how can we share that information with everyone regardless of where they are at this moment in their dietary practices because I think that honestly the truth is the only thing that will set us free but it Hass to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth This is not about guilt, shaming or scaring this is about the raw truth what are the ramifications you are not just a physical being youre mind body and spirit we need to know I really think that this additional information will tip the scales because people want to know they’re fascinated by information particularly information that is not readily available and isn’t actually being looked at but it is having a greater effect on the human physiology more than I can even imagine So then what is the psychology between an individual who is consuming animals an animal byproducts and at the other end of the spectrum what is the psychology of an individual who is not? This is taking the person and their personality out of the equation and actually looking at scientific proof and data that supports what is really happening on a subconscious level that that individual isn’t even aware of these are all areas of interest in my personal opinion and I do feel like we all on some level really want to know we wanna know what we Do not know maybe that’s exactly why humans have a pension for information. Because clearly the truth exists regardless of whether or not a person is aware of it So what people are looking for is consistency in the data collection so when there are these studies they’re looking for a consistent measure of similarity or accuracy meaning X amount of people had this reaction and Exemouth of people had this reaction one was a placebo one was not and by the way wouldn’t happy assassinating study is to have a restaurant that is Temperly set up that serves only vegan fair that does not advertise that it is serving vegan fair and be like a candid camera Series Documenting the reaction of people while they’re in a moment of conception watching their body language their facial expressions to conversation the way that they leave the restaurant almost to change in their energetics selves and how they are physically translating the experience without even being aware that they’re being watched or than anything is even different Yes it is a form of deceiving someone but at the same token how will we ever know honestly what it’s like because everyone feels this obligation to inform everyone of everything and I think some of this comes from our lifestyle with social media we believe that we don’t have the right to try things and yet back when I was growing up there was that candid camera or there was the secret millionaire and people love these shows why because they get to find out the truth so we go back to the truth is being more important than anything else Not because it’s going to decide for someone what they should and shouldn’t do it’s a person has fact over fiction And they get to determine what the outcome will be based on the decisions that they will make with their own free will There are more vegan chefs Who are unknown unrecognizable you could very easily contribute to a program like that and it really wouldn’t take much effort to set it up in the public could funded or the vegan community to find it by contributing small amounts of money to be able to put this project together and see it to fruition I think it’s a phenomenal idea thank you spirit for bringing that to my attention
@talks2squirrels953
Жыл бұрын
Good Conversation 👍
@carolynbrown3379
3 жыл бұрын
The way she explained anger and contempt beginning at 14:00 explained why and how such things are counter productive.
@kurtmill9080
2 жыл бұрын
This is a really profound conversation with some good suggestions for practicing critical thinking, intersectionality and understanding a bit on carnism. Dr. Melanie Joy is a really fascinating person with how she's taken such incongruous human experiences and really dived into researching them and why they happen. Going to add this to my list of "Solution-oriented Articles/Videos". Thank you!
@someguy2135
3 жыл бұрын
Pragmatism for the win.
@jamesbyrne3033
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting. It helps more people to see the video.
@someguy2135
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbyrne3033 I assume you eat a plant based diet. Thank you for being a part of the solution.
@mushypeasplease8872
3 жыл бұрын
I'm vegan. But I don't want to be part of any "movement". Ugh.
@Limemill
3 жыл бұрын
It's ok. You're influencing other people by simply coming into contact with them. You never know who will for the first time figure out being vegan is ok by looking at you and, some time later, become increasingly more at ease with the transition themselves. Just be you.
@fromeveryting29
3 жыл бұрын
Well, do you think humanism or secularism is a good thing that challanged established dogma? Those were/are movements, too. Many people who simultaneously reach similar conclusion and critiques of the established assumptions in their culture. It just becomes a "movement" or "change" in the culture by default as soon as many of those people start to speak to each other. I don't feel comfortable with "organized movement" either, often. But you can be an individualist. Do your thing, speak your mind, don't organize with anything or anyone, that is all fine.
@kurtmill9080
2 жыл бұрын
Ive always found this sort of thought interesting. It's similar to saying "I'm human, but I hate humanity." "I love x show, but I hate the fandom." "I love eating broccoli, but I hate broccoli eating culture." Im gay myself, but I dont vibe much with the gay "community". But it's not really the point to. I will support progress towards lgbt+ rights, and learn what I can to be effective in supporting it, but theres no need for me to relate to the culture. Just by being vegan actually, youre contributing to the movement. How you go about it is up to you, but if you exemplify and talk about veganism, you're a part of the movement. Doesnt mean you resonate with the culture though.
@billbooth1592
3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Joy, the tipping point you mentioned may arrive sooner than we think. I see Veganism proliferating all around me. That said hard core carnivores will remain so (just look at the angry arrogant foolish 70m Trump camp). They are not amenable to reason or feelings, sadly.
@shahyar234
3 жыл бұрын
I have been vegan for 21 years, but unfortunately my health is getting worse. Have been anemic, hypothyroid and diabetic. Now everybody wants me to stop being vegan. I can't be vegan, even thinking about eating another living being impossible. What should I do to improve my health.
@lljl5310
3 жыл бұрын
Research research research....and you shall find.
@mushypeasplease8872
3 жыл бұрын
Iodine and iron. B12. Avoid junk food. Eat the widest variety of plants that you can. Especially green leafy ones. Good luck and I hope you're better soon.
@shahyar234
3 жыл бұрын
@@mushypeasplease8872 ,Thanks, but don't eat any junk foods. Cook my own food, my diet is all just vegetables.
@vitorrios6902
3 жыл бұрын
Why don't you meet a nutritionist ? preferably a vegan friendly one? You seems to not being planning your meals enough well to make sure you cover all the nutrients you need, also pay attention to good/bad food combinations, because they acn improve or reduce nutrients absortion.
@Limemill
3 жыл бұрын
@@shahyar234 go find a plant-based or vegan-friendly registered dietician (rather than just a nutritionist) in your area, have them give you a plan. You will probably have to supplement a bit for some time too. Depending on the type of diabetes, simply losing weight can go a long way. So that you know, with age people tend to accumulate illnesses, no matter what. A close family member of mine is a carnivore and they have gradually developed pretty much every issue you mentioned and some more, so even if you go off of your diet you may discover that the problems persist, if not exacerbate. Diabetes can very well be controlled, if not reversed, and thyroid issues are normally resolvable too. After seeing your dietician, go see an endocrinologist too.
@BgSkyGrl
3 жыл бұрын
I eat whole food plant based, but I don't have the need to spread my belief in my WOE to the world. Just because I believe it is best, it is only best for me. I don't need to change the world. She totally discredited herself by referencing BLM or climate justice.
@vitorrios6902
3 жыл бұрын
I could argue that as a vegan (not a whole plant based) not spreading the word in the many varies ways it can be spread acoording to one preferences and confidence), is like look to the other side when be in front of someone else hurting an animal. There is always something you can do to raise awareness here and there micro forms of activism are always welcomed, specially from the victims perspective. If you were being agressed in the street and I believe we shouldn't agress anyone and I was myself not being agressive...I want to beliene you would be thankfull for me to try to help you instead of just look to the other side and think to myself ("I don't have the need to spread my belief in my WOE to the world. Just because I believe it is best, it is only best for me. I don't need to change the world..." what do you think of this?
@starcatcher3691
3 жыл бұрын
It's a diet for you For is vegans its life or death
@BgSkyGrl
3 жыл бұрын
@@vitorrios6902 I believe people can promote the ethical treatment of animals without veganizing the world. We do need animals in agriculture for healthy soil biom. But we need to do it right.
@vitorrios6902
3 жыл бұрын
@@BgSkyGrl do we really need? Would the human race disappear from the face of the Earth if no animals would be used to fertilise the soil? Really? We're sending space ships to other planets, can make videocalls to the other side of the planet and connect countries with tunnels under the sea.....but we couldn't live without use the shit from the animal? We can use our own shit if we want! Let's leave the animals to be someone and not things to be used by us.
@hechss
3 жыл бұрын
Hello. Since you already eat plant-based, I think it will be very easy for you to make the “click” in your mind and understand that it isn’t a personal choice. I encourage you to watch the documentary ‘Earthlings’ (here on KZitem) whenever you have the time and be open to the world perspective it portrays. Cheers ;’)
@dexterlacroy4132
3 жыл бұрын
Vegan overanalyzing much? Animals eat animals. That being said, there's no need to partake in factory farming cruelty. Yes, meateaters enjoy their food choices mostly because they're used to it, but the same can be said about vegans. It's a preference and a habit just the same, whichever diet you adopt.
@antioxidantfool7362
3 жыл бұрын
Not the same at all
@jamesbyrne3033
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, so if you current habits involve gratuitous violence towards animals. Why not alter them to exclude violence toward animals as much as possible. That seems like it's very little to ask, doesn't it?
@dexterlacroy4132
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbyrne3033 Gratuitous violence is a matter of definition. Some make no distinction between factory farming and hunting wild game, seeing the act of killing and eating animal wrong period. While others don't see avoiding animal killing at all cost as a goal that needs to or should be met. Animals exist in the animal kingdom to be consumed by other living organisms, whether we feel in any particular way about that fact, including you and me who one day will become wormfood. How is there a grand universal law that the taking of an animal life must be justified? One could argue that there is no true "need" other than taste or habit, and while this holds true for many who instead could do well on plants, there are many exceptions where people are genetically and immunologically incompatible with staple vegan foods such as legumes, grains and seeds. This is something hardliners within veganism have a hard time accepting, much in the same way many meat eaters are uncomfortable in acknowledging their part in gratuitous animal cruelty due to mindless consuming and habitual behaviour.
@jamesbyrne3033
3 жыл бұрын
@@dexterlacroy4132 Here's the definition: Gratuitous: done without good reason Violence: behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. What good reason is there to violently exploit and kill another sentient creature, when avoiding it is as simple as choosing different items on a supermarket shelf?
@dexterlacroy4132
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbyrne3033 You're once again emotionally simplifying things by painting a black and white picture. "Without good reason" is still a matter of perspective. There is no grand universal goal that is defined by avoiding, to the greatest possible extent, the killing of other living organisms, unless you make it your goal on a personal level. Hence, "good reason" to you is "no reason" or "some reason" to another person. True story: I just watched a cat take down a gopher in the yard below my balcony and I reflected on our discussion. How can anyone say with such certainty that it's inherently wrong to claim the life of another living organism just because you have a choice and the cat doesn't? There's literally millions of living animals killing and eating others every single moment on earth. And in your emotional tunnel vision, you're lost in the mindset that it's wrong when we do it because of your emotional trigger to your personal perception of "gratuitous violence" which you have chosen because it makes you feel like you're on higher moral ground, also not having to confront the grander image that there is no validity to the argument that it's inherently wrong to consume another species just because our particular species have evolved to a point where we may instead choose to consume lentils instead of animals. You are justifiably angry with cruelty towards animals, but your anger becomes misdirected when your emotions cloud your reason and existential perspective, mistaking anything making you ideologically uncomfortable for acts of evil. You use the words "sentient creature" as if to make it holier somehow, but only when humans eat them. Animals are no more, or less, holier depending whether you or I, or any other predator from the animal kingdom eats them, which happens all the time. Every breath you take, millions of animals are being hunted and killed by others in ways more stressful than if killed swiftly from a hunter's bullet. The reality of all this is that the vegan moral higher ground is an illusion, but it takes some serious objectivity to realize it. And I don't mean any of this as a way of putting you down, I'm merely reaching into the core of philosophy and our co-existence with all other species.
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