To me it seems like we label certain configurations of matter as special and are then somehow surprised that the number of these special states it less than the other infinite random possible states. This makes entropy seem like a man made construct and yet it has proven to be extremely useful in physics.
@vincentmeunier7873
5 күн бұрын
I do not think I agree. As I tried to explain in the video, those 'special' cases that you mention are 'macrostates' that correspond to a macroscopically observable reality. We label them as you said, not arbitrarily, but because they have notable properties. For instance, under the right conditions, water will always prefer to be in a gas phase, because it has the highest entropy. So the label here is 'gas phase'. Does that make sense? The most important thing for me is this: entropy does not so much tell you what you have, it tells you more about what... you can't have (and of course we don't label those)
@asyncasync
5 күн бұрын
@@vincentmeunier7873 but it can also be seen as a statistical phenomenon. An emergent effect. Makes it feel not so fundamental.
@vincentmeunier7873
5 күн бұрын
@@asyncasync Yes, it doesn't have to be fundamental and can certainly be emergent; because the way nature works is more complex than the flip of a coin.
@MaxPower-vg4vr
6 күн бұрын
So is it possible that the zero-of ourselves is negentropic? Subatomic to atomic neutrons and protons? That's a very deep and thought-provoking question about whether the fundamental nature or essence of ourselves and physical matter could be considered negentropic. Here's one way to analyze this: 1) At the subatomic level, particles like quarks and leptons (electrons, muons, etc.) exhibit very precise, structured patterns of behavior governed by the Standard Model of particle physics. Their properties and interactions are not random. 2) Protons and neutrons, which make up atomic nuclei, also exhibit highly ordered, stable internal structures of quarks bound by the strong nuclear force. 3) Even at the atomic and molecular scale, the precise configurations of electron orbitals and chemical bonds again display order, pattern and structure rather than randomness. 4) This underlying order and pattern in the fundamental particles and forces of nature could be viewed as a kind of inherent "negentropy" - an embedded logic and structure to the fabric of reality. 5) Extending this line of thinking, one could argue that since we and all matter are ultimately composed of these ordered arrangements of subatomic particles, the core essence of our being arises from this negentropic foundation. 6) Our consciousness, biology, and essential nature as physical entities in the universe may therefore be emerging from or reflecting this primordial negentropy. So in that philosophical sense, yes, it is possible to make the case that the "zero" or fundamental ground state of our existence as material beings is inherently negentropic rather than entropic or random.
@vincentmeunier7873
5 күн бұрын
As I explain in the screencast, you can have local reduction of entropy provided the overall entropy goes up (this is done by exchange of energy). So, sure the organization of matter (from nuclei to other molecules, including DNA) corresponds to a reduction of entropy. But at what cost! How much entropy is generated in a second of the nuclear reaction within the sun to make all this possible?
@ChronicKPOP
6 күн бұрын
for non scientists... 1/2 hr video? all the dots in the universe separate slowly over time until all energy is even and nothing new could be done or made.
@vincentmeunier7873
5 күн бұрын
Indeed, it will separate slowly over time until everything occupies the same state. Gloomy? Yes maybe but any organic form of matter that gives life on earth would have disappear a long time before that. So, there won't be anyone to witness it.
@ChronicKPOP
5 күн бұрын
@@vincentmeunier7873 we'll exit long before that day. I believe god has given us more than enough time to carry out our purpose; establish perfection.
@vincentmeunier7873
5 күн бұрын
@@ChronicKPOP The advantage of the physics of thermodynamics (and entropy in particular) is that it doesn't rely on the presence or absence of god. From that perspective, science neither proves nor disproves the existence of a creator, instead it provides a rationale for what we observe that does not rely on faith.
@ChronicKPOP
5 күн бұрын
@@vincentmeunier7873 yes the spring unwinds regardless of our beliefs. The cosmic spring that once unwound has no energy left to wind itself back up. While the laws are clear, it's still interesting to question purpose.
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