I do the build you did but with Devo's over claws, claw is bait. I've also tried a version of the Zap build but with demon blade instead of Dom I believe (Devo's/demon blade/exe/qins/db) which gives you 100% crit and one stack on devoted for a bit of extra power at capped ornate. There was another build I ran on Cupid that I think I might start expanding upon. Leaders/Trans/Devo's/Exe/Qins/Titans Bane. 25 flat pen, 20% pen+exe passive, it felt really good the one game I got to play on it. There's also that NotCure manikins build which has potential since it's a pen/shred build that doesn't suck at killing jungle bosses. Haven't had the chance to test it tho
@Inbowned
8 ай бұрын
Claw isn’t bait. I touch on it in the video. Claw/leaders cowl is such an incredible combo. 3k health with the shield, a ton of power and good lifesteal
@connorjensen3084
8 ай бұрын
Tried zaps yesterday and I agree with you, you spike once you get crit. Before that it’s not bad but you’re not doing anything crazy, and once you get DB online you start to cook. I tried demon blade over qins 5th and that felt a little better spike wise imo
@nxrthern4823
8 ай бұрын
Love the video and the opinion, personally I’ve been building guilded devs exe dom asi and deathbringer and it’s felt really good when In a lead however I swap asi for qins when behind to help kill tanks. I think asi is just cheap and feels good and with Devos you can feel the heal on minions a bit more and help get back in the fight. With how well you can snowball esp when climbing it feels insane on my pool of adcs maybe when I get back into diamond masters I’ll feel qins is always better but for pushing the snowball i think asi is just better for the personal gain
@jamieeddolls5605
8 ай бұрын
I think you're completely correct on Zap's build spiking late, but I feel like you can remedy that by going ornate, demon, devo's, envenomed exe, dom, devoted and then selling demon for qins if you want to fight early. Your build may be better for hunters who wish to fight and snowball like Anhur and Hou Yi. I really think Claw is only viable with cowl and devo's is still king because the moment it is stacked, the 15 flat pen is huge for early fights.
@ChevyMurphy
8 ай бұрын
I just don't like crimson claws as an item right now. I think you would win more 1v1s with asi in your build in it's place. Every team fight late game starts with a curse, which basically renders your shield and your 15% lifesteal moot, where as with asi, you will get the passive near the end of the curse effect most of the time. You don't have to prep anything before going into a fight, so you are always ready to go. That being said, my builds have been ornate, devs, exe, deathbringer, Quins/Dom, into wind demon Or hunters cowl, devs, exe, Dom, Quins, crimson claws/silverbranch/ody bow. Ability based hunter builds have been fun for mid too. AMC really takes advantage of the pen on trans.
@Inbowned
8 ай бұрын
Claw isn’t meant to be a 1v1 item. Devs is also a better 1v1 item than asi. Claw is just part of the best late game build
@michaelmorton6052
8 ай бұрын
I’ve been playing around with a couple builds in adc cause I didn’t like the ones people were showing the route I’ve liked the most is Ornate, devs, crimson, exe, demon blade/qins(whichever you need for the match), devoted db. And once you get the double lifesteal going it feels like you can trade with the jungle early and have good survivability when ganked it also helps in the 1v1 then once you get the exe you can 1v1 the solo if he dives you in the back line. Then once the build is complete you survive almost everything and out trade if you’re dove, as long as you’re not being jumped on by 2-3 ppl with no one with you
@TheFortunesArc
8 ай бұрын
I've been messing with Marti and AMC for some ability based builds that work well with ADC and if you go manikins trans with either you get enough sustain from either hives or Marty passive and it helps your clear on shield camp/naga for early pressure and if you go jotuns vigor second you get a lot of sustain, pen, cdr, and spike like crazy. Late game if you go hidden blade or mace it helps make up for objective burn on ability based builds and if you do the hidden blade it makes your burst/poke crazy around fg. Have only tried it so far with Marty and AMC, but definitely something worth trying.
@gamlaman
8 ай бұрын
Yo Bobby, great vid as always! What do you think of this build (usually do this on AS steroid hunters like Cupid): Ornate Arrow, Crimson Claws, Odysseus Bow, Envenomed Executioner (I get this second instead of third if my lane is going well), Qin's Sais, Silverbranch Bow. Basically trying to maximise that Silverbranch passive and that tank shred. Feels good but wonder whether you think it's actually any good?
@Inbowned
8 ай бұрын
Claw is a bad solo life steal item
@W0lf_TG
8 ай бұрын
I build Devos in my games with the cowl crit build. The flat pen does feel nice, maybe a little bit better than a shield. I feel like the shield from Claws is small and can get removed in one shot by any damage dealer. Yes, it's one more shot to kill me, but in my fights, I am usually farther back than most players and don't get touched as much as other hunters. So in turn, that little bit of pen feels better for me rather than having a shield that doesn't get used. I still think Claws is a good item, and it's an item that I could flex over to if I really feel like I am getting dove a lot, but I don't have it in my cookie cutter ADC build right now.
@afscrew123
7 ай бұрын
Ive been running your build mostly, but i almost always default to Gilded > Cowl, if im super late game i might even sell Claw for a silverbranch on stim chars like Rama aswell. like super late game with full build double pots full buffs, screw the lifesteal just 2-3 shot people. its worked pretty well
@azie4779
8 ай бұрын
I've had the same thoughts of building stacking items later on the build.
@cryptochronos4099
8 ай бұрын
I feel like with the matter that lifesteal is bad against minions and worthless against objectives it should get nerfed 30% and not be affected by antiheal it doesn't feel good to build a sustain item that offers no sustain, otherwise I think devos is the best lifesteal item because no other item in the meta allows for adcs to have flat pen and while it's not the most important Stat it does have value in the trade fights against your junglers, mids, and other adcs.
@ajhood760
8 ай бұрын
If you run bladed boomerang instead of demonic and you take advantage of the passive, you will get 100% crit chance while still having pen and movement speed. I personally like the ornate and devos route though
@shaye1444
8 ай бұрын
Crimson claws feels like a bait item. Asi does everything better. You get 5 less power, BUT you get 40%ls. Hunters to asi would be better. Cheaper, better passive, ect...
@bluefiremoon1158
8 ай бұрын
Similar to how everything was with bauble. Everyone saying how broken it is for the first a few days and then dying out immediately.
@RealistRatRace
8 ай бұрын
Asi is great if you’re out of combat if you need a quick heal on creeps but it doesn’t value as great when you’re on combat with a player. If the enemy team is competent they would buy anti heal immediately. At least as for me I would stick with crimson claw since it gives you a nice shield plus you can still heal pretty decently out of combat too.
@RealistRatRace
8 ай бұрын
Bauble is only good on 1v1 duels. Not on conquest. The passive is kinda lack luster too.
@bluefiremoon1158
8 ай бұрын
@@RealistRatRace I said similar, not the same situation but I like how it went over your head.
@RealistRatRace
8 ай бұрын
@@bluefiremoon1158 bauble was never considered a broken item ever. It’s those clickbait KZitemrs. Crimson claw is not broken either but waaay better design than bauble tbh.
@phoenixphinx
8 ай бұрын
I usually go a variation of Zaps build going: Ornate, Devs, Exe, Deathbringer, Dominance, Flex Item (Asi more LS, Fail Not for CD/Crit (depending on god), or more pen) I understand the value behind Claw but I do agree with what some others are saying with Claw being bait. It’s i think okay, but i think theres better items
@matthewcochrane9499
8 ай бұрын
Exe second will be very hard to top, exe second allows early gold fury kills with your assassin, bastions can be killed early and you can help your team kill tanks quicker with the prot shred. Demon blade is better for 1v1 but it makes fights and objective plays harder
@the_uhhh_merica
8 ай бұрын
Not to mention the broken ass glyph, if they build devos first which they will they can’t box you, they won’t heal at all
@Gongall
8 ай бұрын
@@the_uhhh_merica Getting the glyph as soon as u buy it feels like shit though cause you only want to box with it
@Inbowned
8 ай бұрын
Demon Blade is better in all fights. Exe is ONLY better for Objs where your assassin is hitting it consistently with you
@the_uhhh_merica
8 ай бұрын
@@Gongall I’m just saying what’s worked for me, I have only had 3 adc games and am solo/mid main but all 3 I did that and worked the lane and objectives.
@Gongall
8 ай бұрын
@@the_uhhh_merica Maybe I am misunderstanding what Glyph you are referring to. I thought you were talking about the exe glyph that reduces shields and healing (which have literally no relevance to farm or objectives).
@DanJouas
8 ай бұрын
Only a couple games so far but: Ornate asi exe devos demon blade deathbringer has felt good. I like asi early because tbh I suck at the laning phase, and since lots are still going devos start it gives me the leg up with an earlier power spike lol. Plus tier 1 asi feels waaay better than tier 1 from anything in the gauntlet tree.
@bluefiremoon1158
8 ай бұрын
Asi is still bad compared to devo and your build lacks penetration which means that you shouldn't be a problem for a good warrior or support diving you. Lol you prob critted them for like 200
@DanJouas
8 ай бұрын
@@bluefiremoon1158 I was doing sufficient damage to tanks with the %pen from exe passive and demon blade passive. Plus I was running it on Charybdis who shreds up to 40% prots with her 2. Plus the 15 flat pen from devos I was still building, just later.
@jcline87
4 ай бұрын
I'm really missing my early game Ichaival
@kajbaraj2978
8 ай бұрын
I've seen some comments calling claws bad or bait, but it's only meh when it's the only lifesteal item in the build, right? Just looking for some clarification.
@Inbowned
8 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s bad as a solo lifesteal item
@ans-dq9xh
7 ай бұрын
Hi man . I feels like if you want you can go full crit with the glyph. It's still 10 power for 5% overcapped crit ? Coz while testing it's not even close and if they take spectral you can just sell late so ...
@WhenDevilsDuel
7 ай бұрын
My thoughts as well, hell even if they take spectral you're still doing more damage than you would w other builds. Full crit definitely seems like the way
@jecotto03
7 ай бұрын
How would u build a god like Heim that doesn’t get value from crit?
@jasonsavage8494
8 ай бұрын
Solid builds for sure. I like how it seems AA hunters might actually have some variety in builds, which for adc is a pretty uncommon occurrence 😂 As much as Domiance is a very good item, I think Qins is currently slept on big time because of how overtuned crit is. This might be down to the historic frequency of 'either you go crit or qins but not both' but that's no longer the case because you don't really lose out on things like attack speed or pen anymore so I'm struggling to see a reason to not run Qins alongside crit given that tanky solos are definitively back in the meta. I've REALLY been rating this build - gilded (obviously ornate at lvl 20), devos, demon blade, exe, qins, devoted DB. You get 100% crit at fully stacked ornate (technically 106.25 so you do get 1 stack on DB glyph but that's negligible in the grand scheme of things), you get the fairly early Dblade spike, you get plenty of attack speed, you still have the tank shred of Exe Qins + a bit of pen on DBlade so even if they build spectral you're laughing, you're literally guaranteed a demon blade proc on your first auto so it's essentially a permanent '30 power + 25% attack speed + 20% crit + 10% pen' item and if that's not insane stats IDK what is, and although Dom has more pen for crits the pen on Dom - being AA pen only - doesn't affect Qins whereas the pen on DBlade does. Ornate Dom Exe DB is 81% crit 28% shred 20% pen (20% pen on autos but not on qins) whereas Ornate DBlade Exe DB is 100% crit 28% shred 10% pen (the pen affecting autos 'and' qins). Putting Dom and DBlade side by side and looking at comparative DPS for the two full builds, I'm sure Zap has a damn good reason for going Dom but - other than pen against towers / phoenixes - whatever reason he has is clearly based on knowledge that I just don't have 😅 The only thing I don't like about this build is that Cowl is so much better than Gilded for the laning phase. So perhaps Cowl Claw DBlade Exe Qins DB for a more early-midgame focus (definitely agree that Claw is ass unless paired with another item that has some lifesteal)
@TheWavyGravy42
8 ай бұрын
Passive of Crismon Claws is so useless at most times cause you only get the the shield if you are full health.
@FreeWill_is_unintelligible
8 ай бұрын
Please make a video like this for the solo lane😭
@boopsii
8 ай бұрын
ornate, claw, devos, exe, deathbringer, qins with purple buffs has been getting me to around 2.3-2.4
@jamieeddolls5605
8 ай бұрын
you really need dominance to kill tanks
@boopsii
8 ай бұрын
@@jamieeddolls5605 -28% prots is fine. 20% on top of that doesn’t matter, qins will make up for the dps.
@jamieeddolls5605
8 ай бұрын
With all of the auras in the game, no dominance is pretty miserable unless you're a silver branch god
@jamieeddolls5605
8 ай бұрын
@@boopsii Just tested it on the level 20 odin bot at 75 prots with 5 hits each and all crits. With claw, it was 1,641 total damage and with dom it was 1,797. This was best case scenario with claw because it was against a squishy where dom is less potent. I don't value a little more survivability over substantial damage increase personally as carry.
@boopsii
8 ай бұрын
@@jamieeddolls5605 it definitely helps win lane when you get the 15% shield plus shield buff. Snowball is the meta and you can always sell it later. That’s a small different for the security of a lane over an entire game
@JACKWEASEL
8 ай бұрын
I run Ao Kuang support full damage and execute everyone! Death is the best form of CC
@fatjawns3671
8 ай бұрын
Not the one with claw 🙏 Passive is useless and Asi has 5 less power with a much better passive.
@matthewcochrane9499
8 ай бұрын
Glad I’m not the only one who’s noticed, that passive is so pointless early game since you don’t lifesteal enough of minions to get the passive high unless you’re ignored for 3-4 waves. Only good thing about claw is you don’t need to stack it
@Inbowned
8 ай бұрын
Passive is better than asi LMAO
@Inbowned
8 ай бұрын
You make use of it with the extra cowl lifesteal
@fatjawns3671
8 ай бұрын
@@Inbowned Imo no due to how incredibly long it takes to stack it up with the lifesteal nerfs. Then again I did only try it with gilded early in the season but it doesn't feel good imo
@DrJacobsMD
8 ай бұрын
As a gold adc main, I approve this message.
@jbeezy2779
7 ай бұрын
Thank God we had a gold adc main come in to give Bobby's advice a little validity lol
@danielballen9345
8 ай бұрын
Manikin scepter >>>>> gilded arrow
@WhenDevilsDuel
8 ай бұрын
So whats the point of buying devoted instead of malicious, from my understanding you aren't going over crit chance with the build. I understand the upgraded deathbringer is for more crit damage, but the other one has the same effect plus reducing cooldowns, a passive that you can actively benefit from rather than devoted blades passive which is seemingly going to waste. Isn't it smarter to go all in on crit like the old days? Which leaves you with an open spot if you dont get a starter (since most of em suck until level 20). Idk the kinda damage you're puting out w that build, but I know my full crit build can output 300+ on 200 protections from jungle practice, and the health difference isnt crazy either. I have like 2,500 you only have like 600 700 more, thats 2 shots from my build (1 w no protection), I mean you're literally one serquet ult away from death if they go full crit. Who cares about 600 health or lifesteal when your one combo away from dying as any hunter. Your build makes more sense for an assassin, just trade some items for ability damage, get in do massive damage, get out if things go bad, you have the damage and sustainability. But I could be trippin, I've never been into smite meta that much
@WhenDevilsDuel
8 ай бұрын
Also the build can solo a 30 minute fire giant w no life steal, going all crit is pretty good, especially since there's still only 1 counter
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