Would you rather ride a super-lightweight pro bike from 10 years ago, or a current heavier & more aero bike? 🧐
@matjazmlakar9412
Жыл бұрын
You should do the comparison
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
@@matjazmlakar9412 We'll add it to the list! 👀
@KenSmith-bv4si
Жыл бұрын
I ride a super light weight bike from 2022, my S-Works Atheos
@markpeterson8978
Жыл бұрын
I have not even watched this segment yet and I already know I would rather ride a bike from 10 years ago. Not only that but I would rather ride a bike from 30 years ago for that matter. The Soul of bicycles has gone away now'n days. People clamor over statistics and weights. I love the engineering and machining that are worn by a vintage bicycle. Something exotic with a buttery smooth ride that puts carbon to shame. Carbon is wrong. Not because it doesn't work or perform exceptionally but because it has no soul. Just like bicycles today. They have no soul. where is the craftsmanship? The paint jobs is all I envy about modern bicycles. - Grumpy old bastard - M
@markweisgram155
Жыл бұрын
That would be a great comparison, very interesting I’m thinking.
@midwesttreasureandrelicrec7914
Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking of the same comparison for weeks I'm glad Ollie said it out loud, please make this happen GCN!
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Keep your eyes on GCN over Sunday! We think you'll enjoy it... 👀
@donbracci2199
Жыл бұрын
I like Oliver's idea for 2014 vs. modern bike video.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Well.. you might want to check out GCN weekend... shhh you didn't hear it from us 🤫
@CarlBaravelli
Жыл бұрын
Please compare a top pro bike from 2014 to an up-to-date top pro bike from 2023 :)
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Keep your eyes on GCN over the weekend... 🕵
@BreakawayB
Жыл бұрын
Otto and Allan are the best presenter duo!❤
@TheCountrySteve
Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see the weight of the climbing bikes WT teams are using - Bianchi Specialissima, Merida Scultura, Trek Emonda etc - and also how heavy the do-it-all bikes - Dogma, Tarmac, et al - are in their climbing setup. Some of those must still come very close to the UCI weight limit. I can't imagine many of those were shipped to Australia though. One for the Grand Tours, perhaps?
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
We'll see what we can do when the Grans Tours roll around! Expect to see some tasty numbers 🤯
@saracen888
Жыл бұрын
The Dogma and Tarmac is not a heavy bike 😂
@TheCountrySteve
Жыл бұрын
@@saracen888 Exactly. It’d be nice to see if they can get them down near 6.8kg for the climbs
@mattjackson4394
Жыл бұрын
Come on GCN, if Ollie and Allen can’t figure out the rules for the bike vault I’m afraid that the UCI will step in and just ban it.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Sorry Matt but i think you'll find that the UCI has no jurisdiction here 😂
@SpecialeyesRider
Жыл бұрын
As a car enthusist I have been ceramic coating cars for years. When I bought my new bikes the first thing I did was stripped them down and coat them too. It makes a huge difference. Also, if you remove your ears, you won't be able to wear cool glasses. Best part of that segment... "Let's get Hank to try it"
@chawley52
Жыл бұрын
I would think that riding comfort has a significant impact. A true test should probably be 100-150k over mixed terrain. The wider tires and more compliant frames of contemporary bikes might make the ability to sustain power output a significant factor.
@NWakeford
Жыл бұрын
Talking about weight of bikes - I had a 2011 Cervelo S3 (very similar to what Dan would have rode) with 10sp SRAM red and enve 3.4 wheel - size was a 61cm and it weighted 6.9kg with cages and pedals… lovely bike.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Wow! Sounds very nice, do you also have a modern bike or still kicking it old school? 👀
@alexpeuhs2865
Жыл бұрын
You omitted the Factor Ostro Vam ridden by Israel Premier Tech, the Cannondale from EF, the Trek Madone, and the Giant ridden by the home team Jayco, but somehow you managed to weigh two Canyons and two Specialized SL7's.
@GCNuser123
Жыл бұрын
Alex prioritized world tour teams bikes. He did the system six, but couldn’t show the new super six. israel are no longer world tour. Any others he missed were probably because he ran out of time! we try our best!
@nicklewiscycling
Жыл бұрын
@@GCNuser123 Jayco are world tour?
@anunprofessionaltriathlete
Жыл бұрын
@@GCNuser123 what? jayco are definately world tour - israel and lotto went down
@GCNuser123
Жыл бұрын
@@anunprofessionaltriathlete my bad! i had forgotten they had changed name from bike exchange! start of the season and all that! 🤦♂️😂
@GCNuser123
Жыл бұрын
@@nicklewiscycling my bad! forgot they were no longer bike exchange!
@kristinnkristjansson7156
Жыл бұрын
What a great show with Dan and Hank there! They are for sure the best duo!
@twainf
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the jersey sticker shoutout Ollie! Glad they turned out well.
@n22pdf
Жыл бұрын
Great vid guys.. it would be awesome to see the comparison supersix evo rim brake vs 2023 supersix evo 😊👍🤩
@filippocostanzo
Жыл бұрын
Yes please!
@GCNuser123
Жыл бұрын
it would!!!
@anemoicbicyclemessenger9543
Жыл бұрын
v shaped aero rims vs. u shaped aero rims
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Жыл бұрын
That would an interesting comparison. I owned a SuperSix Evo one of the smoothest lightest most produced bikes ever 😊
@n22pdf
Жыл бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Hi George :) yeah I own 3 Cannondale's one is SuperSix EVO0 Hi Mod Team 2021 love it .. looking to pick up a nice older rim brake version to :) great bikes
@SuperTaylor68
Жыл бұрын
Queue the Rim brake brigade.. “oh discs are so much slower blah blah “ 😂😂😂
@302v8
Жыл бұрын
@21:24 Ollie pretends to be busy while Googleing 'Adam Paton's DOB' 🤣
@fede1275
Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy you measured these weights. With my Canyon Ultimate rim with 105 coming at 7.3Kg with pedals, cages and computer mount I can now pretend I can compete with the pros 😂
@michaelpark794
Жыл бұрын
another great show Ollie and Bob 👍😄
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Bob has been smashing it recently 💪
@jasondeanwilleford8597
Жыл бұрын
Isn't it Rob?
@tmreyno
Жыл бұрын
Great show Ollie and Andy!
@montrose252
Жыл бұрын
YES, please do a 2010's versus current super-bike match-up. I have a 2014 BH G6 that is souped-up with aero handlebars and carbon wheels, it's a killer!
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
GCN... THIS SUNDAY! 10:00AM! BE THERE!
@ronbyrne6847
Жыл бұрын
8:52 yes do a comparison
@shanghung4049
Жыл бұрын
Weight reduction does not necessarily reduce performance.. For example, using titanium axles.. Titanium pedals or integrated flywheels.. Aluminum alloy bearings. My bike has changed from 7.6 to 6.7kg through these changes
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
How fun is bike fettling! Have you noticed a big difference in the ride quality? 👀
@shanghung4049
Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech My climbing speed has improved. I didn't feel any discomfort
@larrylem3582
Жыл бұрын
What are "aluminum alloy bearings"?
@LPM84.
Жыл бұрын
Definitely up for a new vs old. First gen CANYON AEROAD SLX rim brake vs the current flagship one.
@cjohnson3836
Жыл бұрын
Peak Torque tested brakes on his channel with more rigor than they can here. There's no difference in drag.
@TheGobykoh
Жыл бұрын
2014-2018 Canyon Aeroad CF SLX mechanical rim brake version vs the latest Aeroad CFR will be a great comparison.
@escamunicha4276
Жыл бұрын
Merida Reacto lives up to its name as the best downhill bike
@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT
Жыл бұрын
Why
@frederickstaana1269
Жыл бұрын
@@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT heaviest weight
@serdiezv
Жыл бұрын
Really useful for Milan San Remo
@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT
Жыл бұрын
@@serdiezvBut Matej was on the scultura which has a round seat post. I think the homie got confused.
@serdiezv
Жыл бұрын
@@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT nah, realised later. Still, I'm more of the mind of having specific aero and specific climbing bikes. The Propel might be the only exception right now in the peloton.
@kaisu622
Жыл бұрын
Would be great to compare peak bikes from the eras but i reckon keep the tyre setting the same - otherwise its hard to really understand where the differences are coming from (too many variables)
@robbertoudendijk4519
Жыл бұрын
Cool jersey for Andrew Feather, did not know he was the Dutch National Champion though.. 😉😎
@obikedog
Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in the results of the retro v current bike speeds. I think one thing that was not considered by the people assuming we're going backwards is carbon fiber and the layups we can't see. Vibration damping, stiffness, compliance -- these may get a bad wrap from over-marketing but they arguably have a significant impact over a tour.
@chrisgilligan4968
Жыл бұрын
Yeah so much has been done since carbon came out to work on the layup of the fibre to create stiffness where it's needed while smoothing out the ride so it wasn't so jarring. That being said, going from 22 cc tubulars at 160 psi to 28 cc at 70 psi probably did a lot more on the comfort side of things than anything they ever did to the frames.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Keep a close eye on out GCN platform this Sunday! You might like what you find 👀
@bikeanddogtripsvirtualcycling
Жыл бұрын
in future years Alex's trip to Australia will enjoy as much legendary status as Dan's stint with the Cervix Test Team
@georgeskinner2474
Жыл бұрын
How about a review of cycling glasses? Including those that can accommodate prescription lens inserts. Cover the full range of prices, not just the high priced ones. Test venting, fogging, time to lighten and darken for the photochromic models.
@JayLato
Жыл бұрын
Alejandro totally looks like that goalkeeper.
@alfredongos
Жыл бұрын
10:00 That is a triple-cool jersey!!!...
@cra_55
Жыл бұрын
200g of paint is worth it because everyone knows a super nice paintjob adds 300W
@sarahschira9105
Жыл бұрын
Was a little distracted and was pretty sure Olie said it would help you go from lavender to turbulent flow and I personally would love to have a lavender air flow when cycling. 🤪
@jennifercash1093
Жыл бұрын
had to do a double take at 1minute in when I thought that Ollie was sitting with his hand on Alex's knee! I mean, whatever floats your boat, just took me by surprise :D
@louis1904
Жыл бұрын
My Sworks SL6 Ultralight edition (the last rim brake bike Specialized has made) is in 5.9 kg with dura ace pedals, cage and Garmin mount. Sram red etap 11v and Campagnolo Bora Ultra 50 tubular, Vittoria Corsa Speed tires.
@FluffyMeowington
Жыл бұрын
GCN Tech is the superior GCN show imo. Glad to have both, but I sure hope this one continues for a loooong time! P.S. Please don't stop judging the bike vault "harshly", the amount of non-drive side photos is too dang high!
@erichennuy5413
Жыл бұрын
Some brands in this video have more light frames : Canyon Ultimate (Aeroad showed) Cervélo R5 (S5 Showed). It's always possible today to approach the 6,8 kg UCI limit for very hilly or mountain stages !!!!
@callumbush1
Жыл бұрын
Yes I would like to see some comparisons from now, 10, 20 and 30 years ago.
@philchevrier
Жыл бұрын
Now that more and more pro teams are using tubeless tires and 28mm, I think it'd be interesting to have another video surveying what kind of pressures the pro riders use. I wonder if they're all using the super low pressures you guys keep pushing in all your videos.
@chrisgilligan4968
Жыл бұрын
They probably ride a wide range of tire pressures based on what the dominant condition of the road surface is going to be on any given day that they're racing - or the type of rider or type of stage. It isn't a set it and forget it situation with them....they have teams to work out the numbers for them on a day by day basis.
@BennyOcean
Жыл бұрын
Interesting that the teams have gone back to clinchers. As someone who has held off converting to tubeless, maybe the old trusty inner tube will win out in the end. Cheers gents.
@trainiax
Жыл бұрын
I think the switch was moving forward from tubular tires - not going backward from tubeless. Clinchers are faster-rolling than tubular but slower than tubeless.
@brooklyncharles4438
Жыл бұрын
Keen to see the comparison between the two bike types.
@wotexpat9367
Жыл бұрын
It's clear Ollie and Adam/Alex/Whatsitsname do not hate each other.. They loathe one another. :)...
@DavidFritzIII
Жыл бұрын
Lol Ollie gaslighting "Aaron" out of a super nice
@hithru
Жыл бұрын
I would love a comparison of what changed in 8-10 years. Best peak of everything 2014 vs 2023. And the pro bike of today will win...
@alexsams4174
Жыл бұрын
Ollie is so hyper for this episode 😂 I can’t work out if he’s tipsy or caffeinated. Dan just goes along with it like it’s SOP
@sspan1
Жыл бұрын
What I’ve noticed is that all pro bikes have zero setback seatposts and saddles slammed forward. This was not the case in the old days, has there been any explanation why?
@jonassinjan3035
Жыл бұрын
DO IT - do the comparison!!
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Keep your eyes over on GCN 👀
@McLovin38FFs
Жыл бұрын
It would be nice to have the weight of the different bikes within teams ie . the Merida Scultura vs the Reacto or the Giant TCR vs the Propel!
@jamesd5241
Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched GCN since it went corporate but I like this show
@andrewmcalister3462
Жыл бұрын
Bike photo at the beach is an automatic super nice, Allan/Dan/the new guy.
@andrewkolb2527
Жыл бұрын
Great show, Ollie and Kevin!!
@bink281
Жыл бұрын
Thing is, even if an aero bike is faster in a road test, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a better race bike. Races have drafting and are won or lost during surges of acceleration, sprints and climbs. If you can make a bike that optimises performance at those key points in a race, it would be worth some kind of trade off in overall efficiently.
@sherlockholmes8735
Жыл бұрын
Outrageous! Alan's bike is a supernice!
@rickmorse3351
Жыл бұрын
I have to comment on proper bell-ringing technique. Alex (Adam/Dan) has it correct. Bell lifted vertically from handle so the ringer is held down by gravity, allowing clean, crisp sound. Manon is FANTASTIC but her bell technique needs some work - Bell held upside down and ringing motion all over the map.
@jonfarmer7914
Жыл бұрын
Oli and Alex are the UCI of the Bike Vault, people.
@lenwilkinson8541
Жыл бұрын
Do it! 2014 vs. 2023.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Keep your eyes peeled over on GCN! 👀
@robbchastain3036
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ollie, for giving Alain a hard time about his bike at the start of the Bike Vault. 😀
@ethangodridge6833
Жыл бұрын
New jersey looks nice. Thanks for the show. Not surprised with the weight of the pro bikes with riders becoming more versatile these days along with part shortages.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Interesting point! Do you think the move towards more versatile bikes is due to multi discipline riders? 🤔
@ethangodridge6833
Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech Yes. I think so and with GC riders doing classics too.
@martinandersson5833
Жыл бұрын
Alex travels 30h to Australia to get a supernice. Bridgewood goes ”no it’s just a nice for me”😂👏
@jasondeanwilleford8597
Жыл бұрын
Just more proof Oli hates Bob
@simonorr594
Жыл бұрын
“Get Hank to do it!” Lmfao
@williamschultz8198
Жыл бұрын
The white Canyon Bike in Bike Vault is in Michigan (St. Charles)
@BennoSattler
Жыл бұрын
25:58 power lines are similar to German ones, fields being so straight and efficient do not disagree. But the sky is the biggest clue!
@FyreChaser
Жыл бұрын
Did I miss something, or did you weigh the Team DSM Scott Foil with the front wheel on the floor?
@nagevslamina6099
Жыл бұрын
How heavy is the Lapierre without the water bottles?
@xBALL3R
Жыл бұрын
prolly like 100gr lighter
@TheUsername1302
Жыл бұрын
Those million spacers add some weight too
@PredatorDK
Жыл бұрын
I agree with Michael Hastrich. The hate between Ollie and Ashton clearly shines through, even on camera.
@howardfan99
Жыл бұрын
Love the new opening graphics. Also still love the old opening music. :-/ :-)
@AgentSmith16
Жыл бұрын
Great idea to compare a top-level bike from before the pre-disc, pre-aero is everything, pre-tubeless phase to a top level bike of today. Do a proper test with the same wheels in rim and disc (suggestion - Campy Bora WTO 45), same groupset that can be had in rim and disc, and same handlebar width. I'd expect the modern one to be faster, but not by much. Then, do a follow-up video asking "how much of the gap we can close". For example, take the same rim brake wheels and run them tubeless with 28c tires (most rim brakes can support 28s), and add an aero handlebar. I bet a classic frame from that era can be made nearly as fast as a modern bike with no need for a new frameset.
@medjura
Жыл бұрын
It seems like Ollie has thought about the aero benefits of removing his ears before...
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
If it makes you more Aero, Ollie has considered it! 😂
@helicart
Жыл бұрын
I prefer light. I ride a 2012 Trek Madone. Love it. I also have 1250g 38mm Chinese carbon wheels. My bike weight Large frame is 7,1kg. Lighter is better for acceleration.....and hills. Aero bike advantage doesn't really kick in until 40kph. 90+% of my riding is sub 40.
@paulworth70
Жыл бұрын
Just want to add my considered view regarding the chemistry between these two - Adam and Orlando, they clearly hate each other..! 🤣🤣🤣
@matthewforster9442
Жыл бұрын
Ollie's secret birthday present: Another year of getting dropped on climbs
@joegamas1194
Жыл бұрын
Connor taking the picture while kneeling down…..hahahaha epic 😂 why would people think you guys don’t like each other??? Don’t get it???…lol…you guys do an awesome job together 👍
@davidthomas9079
Жыл бұрын
Didn`t Doc Brown in "Back to the Future" wear those glasses?😎😀 Old Tech!
@simontabiner1731
Жыл бұрын
How small was the INEOS bike that got weighed??!! Was it a 48cm frame 😂
@ianmoore3785
Жыл бұрын
What I think you guys should provide us with is the "goldilocks" option here: perfect blending of aero and light.
@neilmdon
Жыл бұрын
Bike tech and chem-i-stry cer-am-ic coa-tings ae-ro-dy-nam-ics and good lub-ri-ca-tion low cda and some mar-gin-al gains these are a few of my favorite things
@pascanlon1
Жыл бұрын
Lightweight My Trek Emonda 6.4 Kilos, fraction of the weight and cost of a modern super bike, rim brakes and changed to some light parts, all for not mad money
@peoples733
Жыл бұрын
I bought a new 21 Trek Emonda and putting it in the back of my truck it was noticeably heavier than my 10 Cannondale Super Six. Obviously, I am also 10 years older but everyewhere I went I was setting PR's on my Stava segments. More aero, disc brakes and internal cables vs rim brakes and external cables.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Interesting! Great to have some first hand experience. Why do you think it was faster? More comfortable maybe? 👀
@peoples733
Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech Thought about it many times while I was riding around. Comfortable? Yes but not that much more comfortable. Confidence? Probably and that new Ultegra drive train is so dependable, but the Super 6 was all Ultegra also. Main thing I noticed was in a group the new bike just rolled so much better and less effort because it was more aero making me faster on the uphills maybe because less tired. Maybe I rode harder because with that bike you better look fast haha.
@martynfairclough5013
Жыл бұрын
Ollie looks like doc brown from back to the future 2 with the poc sun glasses on
@MrGarycoww
Жыл бұрын
Ollie looks FIT! In the Poc aero glasses 🤓😘😂
@pablodiaz6130
Жыл бұрын
You were to young to remind but in 2020 the 1st and 2nd GC on tour the france were Tadej and Primoz on their rim brake bikes 😜😜. There are many videos of pro cyclist taking a downhill at 80-100 kph rim brake without problems. What is the purpose to take out something that always work, sheaper, lighter, durable ???
@DC-lu5qs
Жыл бұрын
23:25 more proof that Ollie hates Adam
@hillcountrymax
Жыл бұрын
I think Ollie looks kinda like that presenter that used to be at GCN. You remember, the slow one who got dropped all the time? 😆
@stevewilkins1342
Жыл бұрын
I love watching Abdul (the guy on the left) he’s a great new presenter!
@bikecommuter24
Жыл бұрын
My apologizes to Alex but I still like the way Ollie smiled in my defense I'm 60 so I have my "senior moments" when it comes to names. Cheers.
@davidcashen7219
Жыл бұрын
Right away an unshaven Max Headroom popped in to my head as Ollie’s doppelgänger.
@biketrybe7071
Жыл бұрын
If we're looking for comparisons of the presenters to famous people, look no further than Beavis and Butthead. Love you guys!
@daewoochoi1860
Жыл бұрын
That’s an awesome idea!
@busterbrown2905
Жыл бұрын
Yes Ollie do the comparison but with 25C clinchers not tubeless. 2014 rim brake road vs latest aero disc brake tublar
@Nickellor
Жыл бұрын
When Alex chucked those shades on he suddenly reminded me of Daft Punk,
@davidduran9905
Жыл бұрын
totally make the comparison! that would be interesting to see.
@neopentan1686
Жыл бұрын
The lauf seigla actually needs to have a 5mm chimney by the manufacturers recommendations
@fukawitribe
Жыл бұрын
👍 ..and that's not uncommon with carbon steerers for clamping reasons, although obviously less of an issue with a proper carbon steerer bung.
@neopentan1686
Жыл бұрын
@@fukawitribe if i understand you correctly, it's because of the expansion plug lauf uses?
@fukawitribe
Жыл бұрын
@@neopentan1686 It might be in their case, more generally you just don't want unsupported clamping at the top of the steerer , and bending of the fibre ends at the end of the tube.
@jdslfc
Жыл бұрын
It is very simple, disk brakes add the few extra hundred grams that put it over the limit.
@Stirling1989
Жыл бұрын
Just like Alex chose the jersey for Oli in Girona, you should pick out the tops for each other for each weeks show
@kt9493
Жыл бұрын
Crazy. I always thought that all bikes except the aero models weigh 6.8 kg and that teams even have to add weights to make the limit.
@sambrewster8556
Жыл бұрын
That was before disc brakes came along...
@serdiezv
Жыл бұрын
Not a lookalike but a soundalike. Ollie sounds like Richard Ayoade, but when he gets excited he gets really similar to Maurice Moss!
@richardmcclary5807
Жыл бұрын
My 853-framed Independent Fabrications bike, Campagnolo Record, weighs 7.4 Kg. Before I upgraded from 10-spd Campy Chorus, it was 6.9 Kg. I get a bit tired of hearing about the weight penalty for steel! (However, except for Zonda rims, nothing is aerodynamic...)
@mateuszmateusz9822
Жыл бұрын
Giant Propel 2013 vs Orbea Orca 2023
@cmoriarty388
Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a new Pinarello Dogma F vs a Pinarello Dogma 65.1 Think 2!
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