Best conversation on modesty I’ve ever heard!! “Veil that because it’s so holy”🤯 Whaaaaa!!
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@abigailtodd7114 It should stay veiled.. As far as i'm concerned, sex an occasion for sins like lust.
@ValsVersion
18 күн бұрын
@@abigailtodd7114 that is not in the teaching of the church, it is not what and why it was culturally done in the past, and it is not why the Vatican council removed it from the 1983 code of cannon law. BTW ITS CALLED A MANTILLA. it is not a fashion statement. Does not color coordinate with your outfit. It is either white or black white meant you were a virgin and unmarried and black men. You were a married woman or a widow and yes, I was alive during the transition and during my early life women war doilies on their head they no longer wore the full mantillaand or they were hats, but it was on its way out. It’s not a fashion statement, young woman, and it doesn’t mean God sees you more favorably has nothing to do with your beauty and remember in the old testament cultural tradition. Men wore yarmulkes- to cover their head in the presence of God. So these men are hypocrites and they’re very misogynistic trying to make women into their image not the image. God has women made into. Yes women are beautiful. Yes, women are holy before God if they are living the right way is good, but a mantilla does not modesty make so all the young women prancing around KZitem and TikTok, frowning their shoulders and very seductive come here come look at me look at me, materialistic fashion statementme kind of ways. Oh, I’m so proud of me. No, that’s not what it’s about and you are miss teaching Catholicism please stop if you do not hear to the full teaching of the church and you do not support the second council you are teaching your own faith just like Martin Luther.
@milo_thatch_incarnate
9 күн бұрын
This is how I'm going to be teaching my kids about modesty. My mom was a pretty legalistic, manicheistic Christian when I was young in the 2000s (she's grown a LOT since then), and though she never specifically stated that private parts were dirty, it was in her face and in the way she taught us modesty. Private parts were _inappropriate,_ and sex was taboo and never ever talked about, like it was dirty. Because of that, I sought answers for my curiosity about sex and bodies from the internet -- and that went exactly how you might imagine. I WISH I had been taught that our entire body -- including and _especially_ our sexual organs -- is holy and beautiful, and every _function_ of every part of our body is _good_ and not dirty, when used within its divine parameters. Thank you so much for putting this teaching online for free! It's helping young Christians like me figure out how to raise our future kids right.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
9 күн бұрын
That's awesome @milo_thatch_incarnate ! Thank you for sharing your story of redemption. Keep going deeper into the Theology of the Body.
@OLGrace
Ай бұрын
This makes me reflect that this is also why "the veil" hasn't been lifted for us to see the spiritual, angelic and heavenly world. Because it's is so wonderfully holy and pure that we are not ready to see it.
@JacquelineHinshaw
26 күн бұрын
This also made me reflect on why holy saints are graced with glimpses of the heavenly!
@kindredspiritt
21 күн бұрын
@barbaramoore6111
Ай бұрын
The action of his wife giving the immodest woman her scarf is priceless.
@mvose2085
Ай бұрын
OH MY GOSH HE SAID THE THING!! An “immodest” woman is not to blame for the lust in a man’s heart. To this day, us men are still trying to blame Eve for our sins.
@joechriste7052
Ай бұрын
God, cleanse and heal us from lust and help us to look upon Your daughters with pure and holy intentions, and help us to see the beautiful person that You have created.
@yeshuadvargas5552
Ай бұрын
While it is true that she's not "responsible" for man's lust, she is using her influence for evil. A chaste man can resist lusting for her, but the fact that she's testing him is a sin. Therefore, when a man lusts for an immodestly dressed woman, they both sin.
@ijustwantataco8855
Ай бұрын
What about “never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.” If a women is showing skin (ie. torso, shoulders, or chest) even without the intention of self aggrandizement, is it wrong to ask our Christian sisters to cover up?
@tpb2665
Ай бұрын
Someone once said make your first look count. It’s the second one that gets you in trouble. Nothing wrong with appreciating beautiful creation. Just know it’s not yours. The second look means thinking of the other person’s attractiveness for yourself. I hear it takes time and a lot of hard work to be able to run from this. I have other struggles. I don’t really understand. I’m just saying what Pastor Larry Osborne said twenty years ago that I thought would help you. Ultimately it’s “create in ME a clean heart oh God and Renee a right spirit in ME. In my life my attitude needs to be my own relationship with God. Going over an examination of conscience every week before church helps me give grace to others. I started doing this and other things to develop virtue specifically to grow and help myself change. It might be better to pray the women be convicted by the Holy Spirit, or through another woman. I don’t want your heart to be misunderstood. Telling the truth to people is sometimes too direct. We want to point people to their own growth with trusting God. Take care and realize it takes time to work on anything. His grace is sufficient!
@tpb2665
Ай бұрын
“Renew”, not “Renée”
@rosie0990
Ай бұрын
Modesty in the broad sense concerns much more than how we dress or appear in public. Every aspect of how we carry ourselves is regulated by modesty. Modest persons do not seek to be the center of attention or exalt themselves, but rather they carry themselves with a quiet dignity.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
True. Too many Catholics hyper-fixate the virtue of modesty at women.... while they ignore men's immodest speech and men's immodest lack of custody of their eyes.
@user-ki2vh1uc5k
4 күн бұрын
Yes. Humble people are usually modest as well. They don't want to draw attention to themselves.
@robmate
Ай бұрын
Wow I have never heard modesty and lust discussed with such precison but also so heartfelt. This was eye opening, thankyou brothers
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
We're so glad it was helpful @robmate !
@williamscott3123
Ай бұрын
“A veiling of the glory…” I love that.
@evam2311
Ай бұрын
Fathers are also responsible to teach their daughters what modesty is and explain to them their body is holy, also mothers are our greatest role models for modesty❤
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
Catholics hyper-fixate the virtue of modesty at women...while they silently approve *men's immodest lack of custody of their eyes and men's immodest speech.*
@adk5997
19 күн бұрын
And to sons??? Do they teach them to ‘get girls’ though??????
@kkurova9345
17 күн бұрын
Mothers can teach too...
@megmcguireme
7 күн бұрын
If my father told me how to dress I wouldn't listen. I learned modesty from my mother. And my father is an example of how to treat women.
@starstoryteller
24 күн бұрын
C.S. Lewis talks about how modesty is like charity. When you dress modestly you make people feel comfortable.
@bianca-ic8yw
9 күн бұрын
This conversation was brilliant! I'm a 21 year old woman and i hope to get married and start my own family soon, although i'm scared of what the world will do to my children. I hope this video reaches many young women and helps the next generation grow up with a healthy mindset.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
9 күн бұрын
Thank you for the positive comment @bianca-ic8yw ! We're praying for you. If you'd like to take a deep dive you might want to check the whole playlist of the series here: kzitem.info/door/PLAbqXQaOvkM4UxMiREWkgYmY-PHTEnRtn
@bianca-ic8yw
9 күн бұрын
@@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute thank you!
@creamdelacreme
15 күн бұрын
This was such a beautiful way to explain modesty by two men. I was truly touched
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
14 күн бұрын
We're so glad it was helpful!
@thedarkdane7
13 күн бұрын
Some constructive criticism: it would be good to include discussion of how men can dress immodestly too. Too often this conversation is aimed entirely at women dressing modestly with the idea that women are never tempted to lust after men. Still, I think this is an excellent conversation! I just think it needed to be expanded a little bit.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
13 күн бұрын
Thank you for the feedback! We've received multiple comments about that so we're working on a video about it. God bless!
@francikeen
4 күн бұрын
It was NOT an excellent conversation because it ignored male modesty.... especially common and frequent male immodest speech and male immodest custody of their eyes. This video was just a bitch-fest at women.
@minispiel19
Ай бұрын
Reading Marian prophecies about immodesty had gotten me wondering about true modesty. In this culture, we really don’t know how to dress. This is helpful for discerning!
@mement0_m0ri
8 күн бұрын
As an Orthodox Christian, I have always been told that they reason we cover our hair in church and hide our beauty, is to veil our glory. I was surprised how lost this idea has become in the west. I'm glad to hear that some western Christians still understand this, though.
@InExcelsisDeo24
Ай бұрын
This is a great interview. I was at mass last week and a young lady was reading at the lectern. It was a warm day and she wore an extremely inappropriate outfit for the context (and honestly, I believe any context) - a mid dress with the back revealing completely. I was very surprised that the priest hadn’t said something to her before mass. She was a beautiful and sincere young person but the lack of awareness was very surprising to me. I see so many young ladies who are so beautiful and innocent, out and about with midriffs and most of their legs and rears revealed and it makes me sad. They are giving everything of their private selves to everyone and anyone passing. They deserve better. I am a woman, by the way.
@calebhill9191
Ай бұрын
I really do appreciate this comment, and also the way that these guys talk about it! A naive woman isn’t at fault and won’t be condemned by a man’s personal sin of lust, but maybe she does have a responsibility to veil her glory, would you agree? I once had the amazing opportunity to have a truly open conversation about this with a lady (I’m a man). She invited me to talk about the different practical things that men are often tempted by, and it was just such an amazing blessing for both of us to be in an honest conversation, trying to see through battle from both gender’s perspectives. A woman should never be blamed for a man’s sins, but she can help to preserve her own holiness!
@debrakeogh
Ай бұрын
There is a really good book called 'Dressing with Dignity' by Colleen Hammond. It completely changed my perspective on how I dressed as a woman so much so that I changed all my clothes, out went the trousers and in came the skirts and dresses! Nothing above the knee and chest and shoulders covered. For mass elbows covered as well and wearing a veil.
@Laurelin70
Ай бұрын
@@debrakeoghWhy trousers would be "non dignified"?
@SufferingWell-dtwakr
Ай бұрын
I would like to hear that conversation.@@calebhill9191 Men assume that women know what gets men going. You just can't assume that and I appreciate that it sounds like you didn't. Many of us want to know, and we don't seem to be able to find a person or place that will tell us that. So we just go around being blamed. I try very hard to be modest. But I feel condemned quite often. I grew up in a very strict Protestant environment and when I was married, my ex-husband (divorced him when I was Protestant and I am single now) got angry at me for everything that I wore, including a jumper that was practically a burlap bag. I kept trying to find something that he would consider modest but was never successful. Just going out in public makes me feel guilty. No matter what I wear.. I'm 63, fat, there is nothing attractive about me. But I'm still so afraid to be accused of being immodest. People around here are throwing around the phrase that women are their brother's keeper.... But we often don't understand what we need to do to help them. And often, the things we're told are practically impossible. Short of wearing a burqa.
@fantasticfamily5004
Ай бұрын
The best thing to do I’ve personally found being a woman myself I asked them with their touring jeans midriff showing. Is this an appropriate dress for you to come to a wedding? Their answers usually no I remind them that that’s what the holy mass is a wedding where we remember our Lord in the consecration of the mass. An essence a wedding for us we are joined with our Lord I also asked him is that clothing you would want your friends to show up for your wedding And again their answer is no So I ask him again is this appropriate address for you to come to church? By that time, the point is made. I also asked him if they need help purchasing clothing or helping them Put together an outfit for Sunday, which is more appropriate and fitting for them Again by that time, the messages gotten across. The next Sunday I see them very appropriately dressed. Radiant is beautiful as they are. I told him what you wear, reflects exactly of who you are and represent yourself in public Always treat yourself with respect. No matter what the other person says or thinks
@tesskelly6647
22 күн бұрын
So, if I'm to follow Christopher West's reading of JP II's Theology of the Body, how "veiled" must a woman be in church in order to protect the sacredness of her body? And yet again, the woman is asked to sacrifice her own comfort for men............... Matt Fraad also talks about "correcting" women in what they're wearing. What if I think I'm dressed modestly, but someone seeks to "correct" me on my outfit? A very good friend said to me: "Putting all the burden on women to cover up is the easy route out. How about men be more accountable in safeguarding their own purity, and in striving for greater chastity?"
@slv6682
16 күн бұрын
Christopher West has another amazing video about that very topic! In which he holds men accountable for their own chastity as well...kzitem.info/news/bejne/ypid3Kp7pmODoqA I'll try to see if he has other videos beside this one as well.
@issemayhem
14 күн бұрын
"Putting all the burden on women to cover up is the easy route out. How about men be more accountable in safeguarding their own purity, and in striving for greater chastity?" How about both?
@tesskelly6647
14 күн бұрын
@@issemayhem yes, that's literally what that means
@slv6682
14 күн бұрын
@@issemayhem That is what Christophe West is saying, and what he has said in multiple videos on the Theology of the Body Channel.
@robynbeach3198
5 күн бұрын
Both of them were talking about the accountability of men, and putting women's accountability as secondary as it should be. Both agreed that the man feeling lust is not the appropriate person to correct her. This was a beautiful and respectful talk that honored women greatly. What's your issue with this? If I'm the person carrying the treasure do I have no duty whatsoever to protect it, just because robbers have a duty not to steal?
@oliviamadera2256
26 күн бұрын
I really appreciated this discussion! However, something I am disappointed by time and time again is the lack of acknowledgement for male modesty as well. A woman very well may feel attraction to the man sitting ahead of her in the church. Comparing it to the redhead flipping her hair as she stood, a man could stretch as he stands and unintentionally show his muscles and distract the woman from the mass/prayer. Why is this other perspective rarely addressed?
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
26 күн бұрын
Thank your for your comment @oliviamadera2256 ! We've had a handful of comments like yours so we're already working on a video about the topic.
@oliviamadera2256
26 күн бұрын
@@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute Thank you for your reply! This video just now was the first I saw from your channel. Looking forward to watching more! 😊
@bgbbff
Ай бұрын
I have been praying deeply for an answer / understanding on this topic for a couple of months now. I’m so happy this video came out
@servornon
Ай бұрын
Me too! I'm not sure what to take away from this though. The onus is more on the man, this I can agree with because Jesus only calls out the man in Matthew 5. But what responsibility does the woman have, especially when men can lust after even a modest woman? They say veil what is holy, but what does that equal? The Church and the saints like Padre Pio advocate for loose clothing to the knee and elbow and within 2 inches of the neckline. There is really no other concrete guidance of this. But if you try and argue this to a woman, they reject it with prejudice.
@bgbbff
Ай бұрын
@@servornon I think the key point you took away is consistent with mine. However, The podcast host makes a clear distinction The same person can wear 2 sets of clothing and depending if the heart is modest or in-modesty (entice lust) But the onus is on the man Chaste man / Integrated Man - Can / Will still give her, her dignity - We have an obligation to see her rightly
@bgbbff
Ай бұрын
@@servornon All we can do is share perspective with the opposite sex I took these notes from the video Immodesty in dress is what displaces the value of the person Sexual Values can subtract from the person Because you want to be valued properly Aid the integration with the person You as a person won’t be seen as a person *When talking to ourselves or admiring beauty* Lust is a distortion of what’s good - beauty of the creature, praise god and raise the credit to the creator / heavens
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
We're so glad it was helpful!
@jonahhahr7756
Ай бұрын
Archbishop Fulton Sheen said the first sign of the demonic is a love of nudity. The body is good, but we need to be cautious. It isn’t just the world out there that is fallen. We too, though members of the mystical body of Christ, are fallen. Certain folks seem way too excited about talking about this stuff. IMO
@mvose2085
Ай бұрын
Excited to have conversations about a fruit of the Holy Spirit. This conversation about modesty is much better than the one I heard in Faith Formation classes.
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@@jonahhahr7756 Finally someone with common sense..
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Thank you for the honest comment @jonahhahr7756 ! Christopher has committed his life to understanding and sharing John Paul II's Theology of the Body. The TOB is a theological work that provides answers to the deepest questions of the human heart; ultimately on what it means to be human. We'd say nudity is a minimal part of it but we hope that occasionally addressing the topic would bring people to the Pope's teaching.
@MonasticMom
Ай бұрын
Phenomenal conversation…. I greatly appreciate the scarf story which is an awesome example of charity.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@SufferingWell-dtwakr
Ай бұрын
I'm unclear what he means when he says, "... a point of origin for love." I'm on my fourth time listening to this video. It's so beautiful and in my heart I know that he's right, but I don't really know what it all means. I hope you guys will do more discussing and defining.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Watch the full discussion here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zZejl4alsayfm4Ysi=jBLCQHsSW8UAfpDu
@janetadkins5004
Ай бұрын
Just look at how Our Lady is dressed, to this very day, in her apparitions.
@user-ki2vh1uc5k
4 күн бұрын
Excellent point! Mary exemplifies modesty. All woman should look to Mary as a feminine role model. Humility goes hand in hand with modesty I think.
@milkeywilkie
Ай бұрын
This video is really encouraging, there’s so much discourse about modesty among catholic circles that is both wrong and unhelpful and what y’all are saying is so true and so helpful!
@juanflorenciogonzalezmateo9803
Ай бұрын
This is so beautiful! I almost cry... No, not beautiful, but doubly beautiful!
@mvose2085
Ай бұрын
I totally get it! Buy and read “Theology of the Body Explained: A Commentary on John Paul II's ‘Gospel of the Body"’ by Christopher West. When I read this book I wept for my wife and I how I missed treated her when we dated.
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@juanflorenciogonzalezmateo9803 It was sickening.. How dare they compare the holy eucharist to sex. They are complete opposites. Sex is a doorway to sin a lust.. The eucharist Is a doorway to sanctity and holiness.
@juanflorenciogonzalezmateo9803
Ай бұрын
@@FrankD23 I understand that they see an analogy there. All creatures manifest the glory of God, and some more than others (although not all see it, nor with the same clarity). The Holy Eucharist is absolutely the greatest manifestation of the glory of God in this world (though even fewer people can see it, and among those who can, for some it is clearer than for others). Do you think that "sex", as a biological structure, is a disordered entity and, as such, is necessarily the source of disordered actions? (think about our Lord Jesus: was Him a sexed being?).
@catherinebracy4332
Ай бұрын
@@FrankD23 Sex is also, when used in traditional sense, the ultimate sign of unity between Christ and His Church. Are you calling the very act by which you came to be a sin? Also, even within the Bible can be found praises of natural sexuality. Have you never read the Songs of Solomon?
@belaad
28 күн бұрын
I know, me too ❤
@acn82F
16 күн бұрын
First time in this channel, loved so much the content of this video! I am grateful!
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
15 күн бұрын
That's awesome! Welcome aboard. If you'd like to take a deep dive consider checking out www.tobforfree.com/
@mariekatherine5238
Ай бұрын
I wear a veil or hat plus nice dress or skirt for Mass. For hanging out at home, doing housework, I wear a slightly worn dress or skirt, sneakers, maybe a bandana or hat to keep dirt out of my hair. At the beach or pool I wear a swim dress in the water and a long sleeved and length cover-up. In the shower or bath, I wear my birthday suit. Not a slut, not a prude.
@alieluva1758
28 күн бұрын
Where did you get our swim dress?
@sarahbartholomew3442
14 күн бұрын
This was so healing thank you
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
14 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful! You can watch the whole series here: kzitem.info/door/PLAbqXQaOvkM4UxMiREWkgYmY-PHTEnRtn
@MissSways.
Ай бұрын
“We veil what demands the reverence” (i.e. The Eucharist) 🙏✝️🙏 Anything that is holy, sacred and good deserves to be veiled.
@LisaS45993
Ай бұрын
Fascinating that Mr West can remember a beautiful redhead at the basilica from 25 years ago. I read a book some years ago that really bothered me called For Women Only by Shaunti Feldman. This is where I learned that men are constantly not only looking at, scanning, categorizing, judging women everywhere all the time, they hold these images in their minds forever. And the ones who either don’t know or who aren’t haste, will pull these images up like a photo Rolodex. Makes you think differently about husbands and what they’re thinking of even during conjugal relations. I feel sorry for you all…the constant temptation and struggle, even apparently into old age is awful. I can’t relate to this at all being a woman of grandmotherly age…but we women young or old are also affected by the problems of men also.
@jrozi3872
Ай бұрын
And women tend to be very judgemental and fall into gossip and calumny easily and often. Poor men dealing with us women. We all need to take the plank out of our own eye.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
@@jrozi3872 Christians continually gripe about women.... while they exonerate men. Take the PLANK out of your own eye and stop falsely accusing women you never met of gossip and calumny. YOU committed gossip and calumny. You're projecting!
@MiniLinlin
13 күн бұрын
I've never understood why some people think that if someone chooses modesty it's because they've been shamed into it or something. I've never felt like the body is necessarily shameful. I still love privacy, modesty, etc.
@hippopotamusanonymous1580
Ай бұрын
The way they make clothing today makes modesty hard when u want to wear something nice.
@user-ki2vh1uc5k
4 күн бұрын
What you say is very true! Many clothes are immodest. If you wish to buy a modest swimsuit in a store today, you will have a difficult time finding one.
@millriverfarm
21 күн бұрын
Very interesting conversation
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
21 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching! Please pray for us.
@yvetteestevez8660
Ай бұрын
This video found me at the right time. Just last night I went to bed feeling overwhelmed. I’m in search for my wedding dress and it’s actually very hard for me simply because there’s so many options but ultimately I find myself disappointed to find the modest dresses are more expensive than the immodest dresses. (Mainly the neckline) every bridal shop I step into the necklines are beyond immodest &at one store it was even suggested to me to instead go for a hanging sleeve than to cover up.. (inside I hated that suggestion) I look at other cultures and their brides are fully covered up, but in American culture immodesty is the common look for brides. Sadly all my life I’ve seen and felt lust looks by men, as a young girl, as a teen and as adult. I’ve hear their comments and know why they like to look. (I know the difference between these kind of men than men who love god) I grew up with brothers I never dressed immodest in our home simply because I respect that they are men. In my culture we do the (dollar dance) at the wedding reception & I will dance with so many of the male guest i don’t mind dancing with them I actually think it’ll be fun but I can’t bring myself to be in any way exposed for the sake of a common wedding dress. And I hate that I am beating myself up because I feel this way. I would love nothing more that to enter my Gods church in full modest. I will love nothing more than to feel comfortable while I hug my fiancés father and grandfather. I’m going to adoration later to vent this to God and give it to him. Thank you guys for the video 🙏
@janem3378
Ай бұрын
If you can find a store for orthodox jewish women you may have better success with your dress shopping. Good luck with your search.
@JG-blue
Ай бұрын
I went to a regular secular wedding dress shop - look for 50s style dresses (think Audrey Hepburn) which are usually tea length, and ask them if you can add a skirt from a different dress if you want floor length. This is what I did! It has cap sleeves (I wore a jacket for the ceremony itself), had a full back, and was not low cut at all. Loved it.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Thank you for such an honest and vulnerable comment @yvetteestevez8660 ! We will pray that you find the perfect wedding dress and for your future marriage!
@serena6276
Ай бұрын
I am the same, I struggled so much as so many dresses have full bodice cut outs and sheer parts in them. I didn't feel comfortable in any of the dresses I tried on in the bridal store. I am blessed to be able to sew so my mum and I are making my wedding dress, it has actually been a blessing as it has brought my mum and I closer x I hope you have a lovely wedding!
@ChrisMartin-vl1uy
Ай бұрын
Congratulations, I wish you the best in your future marriage.
@raeannaroylance5401
Ай бұрын
We are not our brother’s keeper. Cain asked that patronizing question mocking his brother, Abel’s, occupation being a keeper of sheep. His impertinent tone implied that he was irreverently asking if he were his brother’s “babysitter”. God never answered Cain’s question either. We are not our brother’s “keeper”, but we are our brother’s brother. We are equal in station to each other, intent on each other’s well-being because we love each other.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
It's too bad that educated Catholics ignore men's obligation to practice the virtue of modesty.... especially regarding modest speech and modest custody of their eyes.
@jenniferflower9265
Ай бұрын
Men will never heal from lust until he takes responsibility for it in his heart. It comes from the thoughts generated in his own head and heart not from outside of the self. Men will keep struggling by putting the responsibility on others. Addicts do this as well. There’s alway a reason from out there that triggers them to take that next drink. Until they deal with the things of life and develops good coping skills, and takes ahold of their thought and desires. They will keep drinking. One can’t and shouldn’t control others. One can only change what happens in theirselves.
@awsambdaman
Ай бұрын
I don’t think men have a problem with understanding that they should not lust. But for anyone to mention that maybe women shouldn’t wear skin tight clothing is like the end of the world..we both have responsibility
@jenniferflower9265
Ай бұрын
@@awsambdaman there are tribes in Africa where women run around topless and breastfed openly in front of the village men, There isn’t a lust problem there. You can blame advertisers here for sexulizing the women’s body to the point where men can’t or believe that feeling is coming from outside of themselves. Breasts are for feeding babies. A lot of the world understands this. Lust and feeling are created in your own head.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
@@awsambdaman Most Christians blame women for men's lust. And men are also called to practice modest speech and modest custody of their eyes... both of which are routinely ignored by Catholics.... to instead hyperfixate on women.
@francikeen
22 күн бұрын
@@awsambdaman False. Most men relish in their lust. They go home from Mass and spend the afternoon watching the Boob Tube.
@jenniferflower9265
18 күн бұрын
@@awsambdaman there are many reasons women shouldn’t wear skin tight clothing. However, there’s a long long history of men blaming women for what’s happening in their own mind and heart and for the actions of men. Blaming is victim mentality. It’s like men acting like a woman dressing that way caused them to say, rape them. As if they are the victims of a tight dressed woman. It weak, it’s sad. There are real victims out there. The raped, the stollen from, the beaten. Men act like they are victims of this when they are the perpetrators. There’s no excuse. And that’s the problem. The problem exists in their own evil heart and mind. God wants us to renew the heart and mind and get the evil out of it. There are many cultures at which dressing in different ways is considered modest. And one culture will condemn another for it. Modest is considered, what is appropriate for the situation. It would be appropriate for me to wear a tight dress and heels at a salsa class, perhaps not going out to dinner with families. Dressing modest has more to do with a culture appropriateness than a man’s lust. To bring people together in a unified way. Like, the army. For a purpose. It is sick men who twisted this and can control their own minds and hearts and the behavior reaches out for control. The Bible says to both men and women, do not lust. It puts the responsibility in the person lusting.
@jdub3999
Ай бұрын
These are important videos and I appreciate the discussion this inspires both in my heart and with other men.
@extravaganza7573
25 күн бұрын
The holy mother church told us specifically how to dress appropriately. ❣
@eszternagy-lukacs878
21 күн бұрын
Beautifully said. Thank you.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
21 күн бұрын
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@RealSeanithan
Ай бұрын
There is very little that I find more frustrating than people taking shorthand phrases that LITERALLY EVERYONE knows what they mean and calling them incorrect when the implied (and well-known) meaning of the phrase is not at all incorrect. There has not been a single person on the planet who, when a person knocked on the door and asked if they were decent, thought, "Oh no! He asked if I was decent! He must think I may not be being decent! Oh, if only he had said, 'Are you covered in such a way that your covering would be decent in my company and/or would it be decent of me to come in given your current state of dress?' No! He thinks that I and my body are of themselves indecent!"
@eco7221
18 күн бұрын
If I get you right you are criticising the critique of the phrase as too literal minded. But imho this wasn't the centre of the criticism. It was a discussion of the literal sense of the phrase that evidently we all understand to point out where language is shaping our relationships in subconscious ways. It matters how he speak with one another, or else we could just make grunting noises! I have always objected to the phrase even though I understand it perfectly well!
@MoonTyphoon-j4u
7 күн бұрын
This was so true, instead of unilaterally blaming the woman for inciting lust, there’s a shared responsibility here. Some men are so lustful a woman could be dressed in a floor long potato sack, and still get blamed for causing lust in a man. Men gotta deal with that if they blame women for their lust. If a women isn’t trying to dress provocatively to cause lustful thoughts, then maybe it’s man’s job to work on himself a bit, rather than try to shame the woman for being beautiful. This does happen. In my younger years I dressed modestly. But was told 2 or 3 times to dress differently because the same guy basically couldn’t control himself and rather than him adjusting himself, I was expected to be the only woman to wear coveralls, even though my clothes were way less tight and thicker than other women who were older or in worse shape that had on tight pants. This wasn’t a “me” problem, this was a “that guy” problem but I was the one requested to go to extreme to wear full coveralls when no other women had to even though their clothes were tighter and more revealing than mine. I had a turtle neck thick fuzzy sweater that was long and fell below my butt with jeans. Others had v necks and tight pants with their bum not covered. But I was told to wear coveralls. That’s a problem. I should not have to wear a grilled burka to exist in public spaces so that every pervert isn’t somehow turned on. I do believe in modesty though because I don’t like being looked at like prey, but within reason, not to the extreme of every potential pervert.
@user-dl4et8tf5c
Ай бұрын
Theology is both speculative and practical. There are moral principles, and there are concrete applications of those principles. There is an objectively right or wrong way to dress. What is that way? We seem to be beating around the bush by just talking about what modesty is and what it is not. The fact is, yes, it is in the heart, but we are not Protestants. We are Catholic. There is a right or wrong way to manifest that modesty externally, including our choice of clothing. The question remains: Is it sufficient to make sure we dress according to common customs acceptable in our culture, avoiding doing what is abnormal, or is modesty so lost that we need to revive older customs from a century ago?
@mvose2085
Ай бұрын
Go deeper.
@dansedevie123
Ай бұрын
Why the dress of a century ago, specifically, over all the other time periods?
@user-dl4et8tf5c
Ай бұрын
@@dansedevie123 I am just emphasizing we need some objective answer. Many Catholics revert to the standards of the early 1900s, so that is why I picked that for an example.
@user-dl4et8tf5c
Ай бұрын
@@mvose2085 What do you mean?
@mvose2085
Ай бұрын
Us Catholics need to take a good look at the scriptures and the catechism. But not stop at the surface of the text. St JPII did this with his TOB work. I would say that God gave us that work right before the chaos we are in now. God wants us to understand His teaching on sexuality in a much deeper way. If the Church continues to ignore the invitation to move deeper than the surface of black and white then we will never win the culture. Also, it’s not Catholic to reduce the interior part of man to something Protestant. The beatitudes and the sermon on the mount are all about the heart of man. Again, my friend dans needs to go deeper.
@jonahhahr7756
Ай бұрын
In truth the Eucharist is always veiled, bc it retains the appearances of bread and wine.
@forehead949
Ай бұрын
Great point.
@jatnarivas8741
Ай бұрын
It shall be unveiled in the next life. But also the veil of the body of Jesus was torn in the cross.
@jonahhahr7756
Ай бұрын
@@jatnarivas8741 yes in the next life. That’s what I think isn’t always appreciated here. We have to treat ourselves and each other as fallen in this life. One mortal sin isn’t worth all the “meaningful appreciation” of some esoteric reality about our bodies. IMO
@SufferingWell-dtwakr
Ай бұрын
Matt, You kept pointing out that the woman in the example where the man couldn't receive communion, needed to be corrected. Do you think that someone needed to correct the man?
@vanessamtp
10 күн бұрын
Yes men for the sake of their own salvation do need to deal with their perception of women, look away, see them with dignity etc; however, women for the sake of their own salvation as well need to be educated on how to dress appropriately. Pope Pius XI provided a very clear description of how women should dress. The closer I get to that description the more feminine I feel. My closet consists of beautiful long skirts and nice blouses that are not tight fitting. I feel respected and have no longer gotten stared at or talked to in a disrespectful manner. The way Matt’s wife approached that lady is a very loving a neighborly thing to do and I wish more people could do that. Although I have a hard time doing that I do pray for all these young ladies since I too have been in that situation unknowingly. Many saints do address this in a rather stern way however, showing us how severe this is for our salvation. Here are a couple of examples from the great Don Bosco: Don Bosco talking to a young girl in front of her mother and sisters: Don Bosco: why do you despise your arm so? Girl: I don’t despise them Don Bosco: yet it seems to me that you do Girl’s mother: far from it, often I have to scold her for being so vain. She’s always washing her arms and perfuming it with fragrant water Don Bosco: Yet I tell you that you despise your arms Girl: why? How? Don Bosco: because when you die, I pray that you go to heaven, but certainly these arms of yours will be thrown to burn in the fire. Is this not despising them? Girl: but I did nothing wrong, I don’t want to go to Hell. Don Bosco: it will be at least purgatory, and who knows for how long. Older sister: but this goes for me also? Because my neck is uncovered ?(referring to a low cut blouse) Don Bosco: well the flames of the arms will go up the neck and circle it all Mother: alright I get it. It’s my duty to correct all of this. And she thanked Don Bosco for the warning Don Boscos mother would also approach women that were scantly dressed and tell them: don’t you know your guardian angel walks at your side? Dressed as you are, you make him ashamed to have you in his care. They would reply that they are poor and did not have anyone to provide them clothing. So she would take them to her home and mend and patch their dresses and send them out again presentable. Gabriel Castillo also talks about modesty in men and women with examples of what to wear and what to avoid if anyone is interested in diving further into this topic. All in a very respectful and loving way and it aligns with what Pope Pius XI said. Thanks for talking about a subject that needs much awareness.
@Thumpa30
Ай бұрын
Thank you for this clip very much needed especially that last quote from Saint Augustine🙏🏾😮💨
@elisewelge2134
Күн бұрын
“The way you might look at my very decent nakedness might be indecent!” 😂😂😂😂😂
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
13 сағат бұрын
😂
@ekatrinya
Ай бұрын
This brings an even deeper insight to the evils of mutilation through gender surgeries.
@ValsVersion
Ай бұрын
Two men discussing modesty as if it’s a one way street. Men are called to modesty. Women have agency. Include women in your discussion.
@isabellfox2915
Ай бұрын
This is so interesting because we have had many discussions about modesty especially in the way so many young women dress these days, but the point is appropriateness also - for example on a beach or at a pool a swimsuit or shorts and perhaps a slightly revealing top might not raise many eyebrows, but, in a school room or church no not appropriate nor are some of the dresses I have seen in the summer low or even with almost nothing covering their shoulders at all, slits up to the tops of their legs and then they are struggling to keep them closed when they sit (which of course draws people's eyes to the legs etc etc. People seem to have just lost any sense of modesty and it is an easy trap to fall into especially for women given you can sometimes stuggle to find appropriate clothing in shops!!
@brianmurphy9570
Ай бұрын
~3:50 JPIIs point is spot on, but the example used here is not. He is splitting hairs over a literalistic interpretation of a common saying. Most people who say they are indecent aren't literally talking about their body, but the context in which they could be subjected. "I am indecent" is a colloquial way of saying "I don't want to, or I should not, unveil myself to you." The problem isn't with the saying, it is with the person's conception of why they are saying it; you can't tell what that is one way or another from the saying itself.
@newcreationbiblechurchftw
17 күн бұрын
In 2 Timothy they also talk about modest clothing not being excessive and lavish: 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
@PMacKing
Ай бұрын
Beautiful discussion.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@DavidTheHust
19 күн бұрын
This is a great addition since they didn’t deal with the issue of fraternal correction.
@ChristRisenLord
Ай бұрын
SO GOOD!! JESUS IS KING
@madeleinearancibia
Ай бұрын
I love everything about this
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
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@luciamckenna7545
Ай бұрын
This helped me so much thank you.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
We're so glad it blessed you! Please pray for us.
@DavidTheHust
19 күн бұрын
People still need to hear about fraternal correction and how to correct the immodest. Parents need this but also priests too so as to properly discipline/disciple people.
@DavidTheHust
19 күн бұрын
This is a great addition since they didn’t use address fraternal correction: kzitem.info/news/bejne/y6-X2WimjndhfKAsi=FtQwAnVLnaIFEK9A
@travisschmitt5315
27 күн бұрын
Fantastic video
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
27 күн бұрын
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@SethNoorzad
Ай бұрын
I 100% agree that it is the man's responsibility to learn to guard his eyes and heart. I also think that the pervasive dress standards of women that draw inordinate attention to their physical beauty trains and conditions men to "consume" what is being offered, so to speak. As a man, you must not only train yourself to guard your gaze, but to do so you must go against the implicit message that you are being told every day by what you see on display. The society "teaches" you one set of values and you must teach yourself the opposite. If you do not grow up with parents who value and teach chastity, it will take a man many years and pain to learn. One observation about conservative Muslim societies is that, at least, the messaging and implicit teaching of the society in regards to women's dress is more consistent. It seems to be easier to learn the right values because the cultural norms more closely reflect the values of chastity and modesty, i.e. headscarves, conservative women's dress. I am not saying that there are not other problems with these societies, but I can see the reasons, and also appreciate some of the criticisms of Western non-Islamic societies, that we are permissive and debauched in our cultural norms. In Western societies, our moral standards are low. Even in religious settings, sometimes. Of course it is a man's responsibility to train himself, but men are bombarded from a young age with unclear and conflicting messages. Speaking for myself, I am 30 now, and it took me this long to begin to teach myself these values. This society did not offer me that teaching. I had to go out for myself to get it.
@neromillie
Ай бұрын
You're absolutely right about the conflicting messages. I really feel for men who must try to avert their eyes when a scantily clad woman walks past. Even as a woman myself, I cannot help but look! If someone has their body on display, I think it is natural to notice. I also struggle during the summer when men are out running with their shirts off. Men's fashion has also become more revealing - shirts and pants are much more form fitting. It's incredibly unfair to both sexes to tempt in this way.
@jr9779
Ай бұрын
Excellently said!
@jr9779
Ай бұрын
@@neromillie Yes, I don’t like it either. Satan is all about destroying people through their senses. I regularly dress modestly. Stopped wearing bikinis in my late 20s. Didn’t think it was prudent once I had my sons. They’ve grown up to prefer modest women. When they were younger, if we were at a store or mall, I know they would see teens or women dress immodestly, so I would tell them that wasn’t acceptable in God’s eyes. Not that these people were bad, but that they just didn’t know better.
@awsambdaman
Ай бұрын
neromillie Well said!
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
@@neromillie MEN are also obligated to practice the virtue of modesty... by modest speech... modest custody of their eyes... and modest refrain from displaying their wealth. Christians continually gripe about women while you exonerate immodest men.
@MrsScott-bx8sb
12 күн бұрын
One more topic of conversation: He was speaking about the redhead and her flicking her hair. I'm curious. Was he seeing her sexually or beautifully? I ask because there is a gentleman in my parish who had a conversion of heart and switched from cargo shorts and graphic t shirts at Mass to a well-tailored suit. He groomed his hair and beard and strikes quite a handsome figure. I find his appearance handsome but I don't think or feel sexually towards him. Can a man not admire beauty without getting dirty thoughts? Another is priests in cassocks. I can't keep my eyes off of them! There's just something so stunningly handsome about priests in cassocks, but, again, not sexually. Just beauty and goodness and masculinity worthy of admiration because it is good. But, yes, handsome and attractive to the eye and heart, but not something that arouses sexuality.
@joolz5747
Ай бұрын
So I agree, but what do you do when the beach is filled with bikinis and topless bikinis and teeny bikinis and everybody’s got them what do you do? I don’t know my feeling is that there should be a lot more discussion about “how adorable there are bathing suits that are NOT bikinis” and then it actually looks better on you. I understand what you’re saying, but I’m a grandma and this is a complicated subject.
@roseg1333
6 күн бұрын
I would say adding to like the people’s hearts carry a sort of spirit of immodesty in them by choice not the way he said it
@sorcindy
Ай бұрын
Beautifully presented ❤
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! Please pray for us.
@EduardoGonzalez-cw7jv
Ай бұрын
Woman: *Flips hair* Mans brain: “DREEEEEAAAAAM WEAVERRRR!!!” 😂 Nothing has every described the order of events and the function of the male brain more clearly 😂😂😂
@mvose2085
Ай бұрын
Then watch the whole video. They both sing it together.
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@@EduardoGonzalez-cw7jv Whatever.. Women should be veiled in the church.. I don't know why they changed that after vatican two.. Mass is supposed to be a place where we praise God, not the beautiful women's hair 😡
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@@EduardoGonzalez-cw7jv Whatever.. Women should wear veils during mass.. We're here to praise God, not the beautiful woman's hair 😡
@BlackFeather713
Ай бұрын
Lmao you sound muslim @FrankD23
@funnygaming2672
Ай бұрын
@@FrankD23 we veil for God not for men's that has control problem over beautiful hair ,it even encourage to make ourselves beautiful for God he made us feminine. so i wear makeup and wear beautiful covering clothes since God is the TRUE KING and we should dress nice Infront of our lord but if a someone has less $$ basic hygiene and a scarf for a veil should be enough ...I personally wear a full opaque veil/hijab style i like colorful one with embroidery flowers. the lace transparent one is ridiculous! it doesn't cover the hair at all we still see the hair under neat it ... I wear it has much has i can in everyday live out of church too .I got bad experience with mens demanding that i show more or threaten my live thinking im muslim even when i wear an obvious cross .I can only go out with my husband if i wear it i dont feel safe i live in canada quebec apparently a pink flower scarf is scary and im wearing a costume for covering myself pfff 🙄💅🏼🧕🏼✝
@terraroeber7587
Ай бұрын
This is so good! I’m 35 and I still struggle with the concept of modesty, and as a mother of 9 I don’t want my children, especially my girls, to have this struggle
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
We're so glad it was helpful @terraroeber7587 ! Praying for your family.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
Males are also obligated to practice the virtue of modesty.... especially modest speech and modest custody of their eyes. Modest custody of the eyes includes turning off the boob tube.... not griping about the immodestly dressed women on tv and movies.
@karinayrodriguez
Ай бұрын
Beautiful ❤
@EmanuelMartinez-1571
27 күн бұрын
Yes, men can be aroused by anything, even a modesty-dressed woman. But obvious articles of clothing like leggings, short shorts, tank tops and bikinis reveal that which should be concealed and unnecessarily cause a greater struggle for people to be chaste. Again, lust can be caused by anything, but there are some things which are more directed towards causing lust than other things. Yes, men have a prior obligation to guard the purity of their own hearts; but women have the obligation to be their brother's keeper and avoid things which are obviously revealing. As was said in the video, this is not because the body is bad. I suppose the main issue I have with this video is that after a man works to protect his chastity, now what? What is the charitable way to go about guiding our sisters to dressing in a way that's fitting for a daughter of God? Our Lady of Fatima was explicit about foretelling that fashions would arise that would offend her Immaculate Heart; so this is something that is a particular concern to her.
@user-ki2vh1uc5k
4 күн бұрын
I think most bridal gowns today are too revealing. I am shocked by them! Modern brides seem to show off their breasts and bottoms. Sexy wedding gowns are very inappropriate in a church wedding. Beautiful brides don't dress like a porn star. Modesty is classy and elegant.
@user-yb6jd6cg1t
Ай бұрын
My favorite Sophia Loren quote: A woman's dress should be like a barbed-wire fence: serving its purpose without obstructing the view.
@jonahhahr7756
Ай бұрын
lol I don’t think Sophia Loren is somebody to explain modesty.
@pearlescobar9449
Ай бұрын
To tell you the truth that quote sounds like it’s promoting immodest clothing
@mvose2085
Ай бұрын
How is it promoting immodest clothing? You don’t think she actually means wearing barbed-wire, right?
@krdiaz8026
Ай бұрын
@@pearlescobar9449 depends on what she meant by "the view."
@user-yb6jd6cg1t
Ай бұрын
First of all, I shared the quote because I was reminded of it when Christopher West was explaining the difference between being modest and a prude. Clothing is meant to veil the sacred. It serves a purpose just as a barbed wire fence serves as a line of demarcation. It is not however a solid brick wall that is meant to prevent everyone from seeing gentle beauty. Christians do not promote the hedonism of nudist colonies nor the harsh judgment of the body exhibited by the burka. It is the modest, moderate space between. "Serving its purpose without blocking the view". Another favorite of mine is Myrna Loy's: "a women's dress should be fitted enough to show she is a woman, but loose enough to prove she is a lady." I dress modestly to respect myself and the men around me. I dress stylishly and in a feminine way to still allow, as Christopher recalls JP2 describing, my beauty and soul to be seen by those who might want to fall in love with me. 😊
@KristinaLuvsBooks
Ай бұрын
Thanks for this.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
You're so welcome!
@bearbait7405
Ай бұрын
Thank you.
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Ай бұрын
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@KathyStrickland-nh9vx
Ай бұрын
I may be off here but this brings to my mind how Islam teaches that it is up to women to wear all their garb because men will look at them with lust.
@kaylashryock2743
29 күн бұрын
I’m back again, because this didn’t sit well with me I went back and forth testing this in my spirit. Part of me was like yeah this is good and other parts of me were furious with it as if it was the most deceitful evil false teaching that could only be meant to draw one to themselves and not to God, one to them, one to the individual, one to their own mind to say I do whatever please me. Ear tickling it is, it seems like divine revelation. YET HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS “Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites this: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold. “ ‘Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you. If you make an altar of stones for me, do not build it with dressed stones, for you will defile it if you use a tool on it. And do not go up to my altar on steps, or your private parts may be exposed.’” Exodus 20:22-26 “Nor shall you go up by steps to My altar, that your nakedness may not be exposed on it.’” Exodus 20:26 NKJV Don’t you know that when the inside of the cup becomes clean the outside becomes clean also so with that there inherently is grace for those who aren’t yet clean appearance wise that remain in modest for now yet once their heart is thoroughly cleaned in these areas by God on the outside, they will appear much more modest. Even in heaven, we will be dressed in white robes. We will not be naked in heaven. Why does everyone think this I have thought this? This teaching is so dangerous to those who were and are in the process of being cleaned internally. It is corrupted. It puts a halt to the renewing of the mind to the convictions that were ushering them towards modesty now tickled, they revert backwards in heart.
@daniellenm395
Ай бұрын
Most of the time, i feel i dress modestly, but at work its harder. If i don’t want to accentuate anything, i basically have to drown in my clothes. I don’t think ive ever had a pair a pants that looked modest unless its extremely oversized and baggy.
@gertrudesantos5550
Күн бұрын
I appreciate this topic.. However, why not say, " I need to get dressed" or "I'm veiling myself" ? As opposed to all that was said concerning the need to dressing oneself before a door is opened that was stated in this video.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
13 сағат бұрын
Hello @gertrudesantos5550 ! Thank you for your honest comment! Christopher says that in order to make a point. He's does not intend for people to say those specific words when somebody knocks at the door. 😄
@gertrudesantos5550
6 сағат бұрын
@@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute That's good to hear 😂
@mariekatherine5238
Ай бұрын
Not someone who walks around other than waterside or poolside in a bikini or a Speedo. Not someone who wears a Taliban outfit or full camouflage with eye shields and face mask. Modesty is in between two to three steps more towards Taliban than Speedo.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
Modesty includes more than clothing. The Virtue of modesty includes modes speech and modest custody of the eyes and modest refrain from displays of wealth.
@ileanamuntean7338
Ай бұрын
That's why covering your face and all of your body is not "modesty", in fact it's a type of exhibitionism in a European Christian context.
@trottingfox7944
18 күн бұрын
Is this channel not available as podcast format?
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
15 күн бұрын
Not yet! But Christopher does have a podcast called The Ask Christopher West Podcast. You can find it on any streaming platform.
@trottingfox7944
13 күн бұрын
@@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute thank you! Will look it up. God bless
@veronicarowe3960
Ай бұрын
What about male modesty.. .men wearing tight tights
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
Men are also obligated to practice modesty.... especially modest speech and modest custody of their eyes. Modesty is more than clothing. I wish Catholics would stop boxing in the virtue of modesty to make it smaller!
@joolz5747
Ай бұрын
So I agree, but what do you do when the beach is filled with bikinis and topless bikinis and teeny bikinis and everybody’s got them what do you do? I don’t know my feeling is that there should be a lot more discussion about how adorable they are bathing suits that are bikinis and then it actually looks better on you. I understand what you’re saying, but I’m a grandma and this is a complicated subject.
@camelia12
Ай бұрын
My dear brethren, when mine eyes behold the spectacle of immodesty, I discern a manifestation of dominance, wherein the flesh is employed as a weapon to assert supremacy. In the instance of a father accompanying his daughter, attired in garments that reveal more than they conceal, I perceive a dereliction of paternal duty, a failure to provide the necessary protection and guidance. The daughter, thus exposed, is left vulnerable, bereft of the support and counsel that ought to be her birthright. In such cases, the natural order is inverted, and women assume the dominant role, leveraging their sexuality as a means of competition and self-assertion. Their attire, far from being merely a matter of personal preference, becomes a weapon in the struggle for dominance. Yet, we must not be deceived into reducing this issue to a simplistic binary. Nay, we must consider the deeper symbolic meaning, the cultural and societal context, that underlies this phenomenon. For the question of modesty is intimately tied to the concept of dignity, as witnessed in the scriptural account of our first parents, who, upon their fall from grace, recognized their nakedness as shameful. Let us not be fooled into thinking that nudity, in and of itself, is inherently virtuous. Rather, let us acknowledge that our choices regarding dress and modesty have far-reaching implications, both spiritual and cultural. In this, we must seek wisdom, that we may navigate the complexities of this issue with prudence and discernment.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
Let us not be fooled into thinking that the Virtue of Modesty is only for women. Men are also obligated to practice modesty.... especially modest speech.... modest custody of their eyes.... and modest refrain from showing off expensive cars and other goods.
@camelia12
29 күн бұрын
@@francikeen and you are right in realizing this because immodesty in women is a masculine nature.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
@@camelia12 You are #GenderConfused. Women's immodesty is not "masculine." Men's immodest speech or immodest lack of custody of their eyes or immodest display of wealth are not "feminine" either. Online Standard English Dictionaries are free. You would benefit from looking up the definition of "masculine." You are still hyperfixated on women and modesty... while you exonerate men's immodesty.
@camelia12
Ай бұрын
Modesty becomes a virtue insofar as it acknowledges the divinely ordained hierarchy of creation, wherein men are entrusted with paternal guidance. When a woman fails to exhibit modesty, whether through ignorance or intention, she unwittingly undermines the masculine role of headship, thereby inverting the natural order. By unveiling her bodily form, she inadvertently severs the symbolic bond of submission, reducing her power to the mere exploitation of her physical allure. This, in turn, engenders a perverse dynamic wherein women, now compelled to compete amongst themselves, seek dominion through the very aspect of their being that ought to be most protected and revered.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
*Men are also obligated to practice the Virtue of Modesty.* Especially modest speech and modest custody of men's eyes. Catholics hyper-fixate modesty at women.... while they exonerate immodest male speech... and men's immodest custody of their eyes....and men's immodest display of expensive cars and other goods.
@Blockishbookhead
25 күн бұрын
Well put!
@francikeen
22 күн бұрын
Both men and women are obligated to practice the virtue of modesty. Men, in particular are obligated to practice modest speech and modesty custody of their eyes. Men deliberately fail at both, then gripe at women. Paternal guidance, when it is effective, is the virtue of prudence.
@mycharmed12
29 күн бұрын
17:11 Women should dress modestly for mass ...for they need to protect the men in their lives..Father, son,brother and husband.Remember the mass is the sacrifice offered to God ..how would you dress if you were at Calvary.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
MEN should protect the women in their lives.... but they don't #DoubleStandards. Men should practice modest speech and modest custody of their eyes. But they don't. They go home from Mass, complain about the women's clothing, then turn on the boob tube to watch more women.
@matthewashman1406
Ай бұрын
this is very idealistic
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Thank you for the honest comment Matthew! “For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible.” Mt 19:26 We truly believe in the power of the Resurrection for us and for you, brother.
@matthewmascarenas6307
Ай бұрын
Some of this I think, is a little bit far fetched. I can only speak for myself, but yes, seeing sexually provocative women usually does exactly what the sexual provocatively dress was probably and intended to do which is incite sexual arousal in a man. Also, no, this is not simply a matter of a man trying to put the blame on a woman. Let's face it regardless of whether or not a woman intended to or not elicit sexual arousal in a man with her dress the fact of the matter is that certain types of dress will objectively accomplish sexual aurosal regardless of what their intentions were. Yes, that would put diminishing culpability on the woman but the objective effects of the dress is still there. Most old school thought seemsed to be that of flee the temptation of sin and try to remove the temptations to sin as much as possible. What is the deal with this new school of thought within the church where if there is some sort of temptation to sin instead of trying to flee the temptation to sin, we actually have this mindset of oh, if there is a temptation to sin then Well, I just simply need to look at myself rather than maybe looking at myself and understand Im a lust filled pervert instead of understanding your weaknesses. using that knowledge of yourself to try and limit the occasions that might lead to your downfall? What happened to our society where we used to also recognize as a whole where most people's weaknesses are and attempted to establish a society with the knowledge of people's weaknesses in mind to try to limit occasions for people's downfall? Was St. Thomas Aquinas, a pervert, because he had to drive a prostitute from his room? Why didn't he just have the ability to entertain the lady, have a cup of tea with her etc.. must have been an indicator that he was an impure pervert, huh? It must have been a you problem with St. Thomas Aquinas, that he wasn't able to just sit there with a prostitute in his room, entertain her, have tea with het etc.. Why didn't saint thomas aquinas show that prostitute her true value as a woman? Why didn't saint thomas aquinas show that woman and us men by example How to show that prostitute her true dignity, and her true worth? Why did saint thomas aquinas instead show how much impurity was inside of him by chasing out the prostitute?If he wasn't so impure, he would have had no problem with having a prostitute in his room right? Why didn't St. Thomas Aquinas do the proper thing and instead of chasing that woman out with a torch, spend a day or two with the prostitute and bring her to see her dignity and her beauty as a child of God? Was Saint Thomas Aquinas's chasing out the prostitute a sign of his impurity, or is it rather a sign that he valued purity that he noticed the danger such a situation posed to his purity and chased it away? What is the deal with this new school of thought which seems to basically oppose what Saint Thomas Aquanis did?
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
MEN are also obligated to practice the Virtue of Modesty.... especially modest speech and modest custody of their eyes. But men don't. You just blame women instead. MEN deliberately watch provocatively dressed women on TV and movies. All they have to do is turn of the Boob Tube. You are #GenderConfused to blame women for men's lust. Men can and should look away. You want free entertainment.... then you whine and gripe about it.
@Blockishbookhead
25 күн бұрын
Great question!
@debrakeogh
Ай бұрын
The reason why women were asked to veil in Church because it is a sign that the woman is holy, that womanhood and motherhood is holy! It is an interesting fact that here in the UK women discarded wearing the veil at Mass at the same time that divorce, contraception and abortion became legalised! And this has marked the beginning of the decline of congregations and people lapsing from the faith.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
And at the same time when men began staring at the Boob Tube whenever they are not at work. American men watch an average of 3 hours TV per day. It would be absurd for women to veil... when men go home and watch strange women on TV and movies for hours every day.
@karene8820
Ай бұрын
This is good. Thank you.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
Ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! Please pray for us.
@strawberrysmile2212
Ай бұрын
But what is wrong with a back? There are for sure women like me want to be stylish and modest and sometimes an open back looks really good.
@chelsead8142
Ай бұрын
It's not about there being anything wrong with the back. To recap, the body is not covered because it's wrong. It's veiled because it is good and others might not give it proper honor. It sounds like from the story, it was more about how exposed the back was. It sounded like the back was so exposed such that if viewed from behind, she would look naked from the waist up. A low back or sheer back could be fine in most cases, though a near completely backless top could give the illusion of nudity, which might incite lust.
@elizabethnegri9663
Ай бұрын
That’s kind of the point of the video. Bodies are good and beautiful, but revealing too much (like an open back) doesn’t invite “Look at me as a person”, it invites “look at my back.” Modesty in dress will veil until an appropriate time. Immodesty in dress will show off parts, but not the whole. It might look good, but it a) doesn’t do justice to your whole person (body and soul) and it b) can be a stumbling block for your fellow man. Christians should be aware of both.
@elizabethnegri9663
Ай бұрын
I feel like a low or sheer back would still be a lot of exposed skin in a more intimate area, though?
@chelsead8142
Ай бұрын
@elizabethnegri9663 I agree, I don't like wearing low or sheer backs myself, but am not sure about discouraging it for everyone. I think it might depend on the occasion or the garment. The back isn't sexual in nature or holding any particular function of honor (like the womb does), so it could be more of a gray area.
@elizabethnegri9663
Ай бұрын
Yeah, I feel like it’s not strictly sexual but also if you’ve got a big ol’ patch of skin there I feel like it would be hard for people to not naturally want to/imagine putting their hand there or something.
@Roni78z
Ай бұрын
I don’t remember the name of the Priest, he gave a great talk about how women, when they put it out there - they allow a man use his lust to - in his memory- imbed her “stuff” whereas it should be meant for her husband only. Totally agree. As a women, I make it a point to be respectful in my dress. People - both men and women should exercise their visual communication of their bodies. It’s common sense, but the devil uses it to pervert and tempt. There, done boys.
@francikeen
29 күн бұрын
That priest needs and class in anatomy. Every man has eyes that can stare at women or look at something else. Modesty includes men's modest custody of their eyes... which that priest totally ignored. Christians love to bitch about women while exonerating men.
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
Comparing the eucharist to sex is just blasphemous.. Come on guys
@NJWEBER18
Ай бұрын
The closest comparison between Jesus and us is Matrimony. This can be seen in the Bible with the best Biblical descriptions of our relationship as marriage. There are so many comparisons one can make between marriage and our relationship with God. It is not blasphemous. An example of how important it is: Mary is the mother of Jesus, the daughter of the Father, and the spouse of the Holy Spirit.
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@NJWEBER18 Yes but let's not forget It's a "Chase" Relationship. There is absolutely ZERO 0 Sexual component Between us the blessed (virgin) Mary and God. All through catholic tradition chastity and celibacy was praised.. By saint paul himself actually.. And I don't know why randomly after vatican two sex is something People are praising.. In my opinion, it's just an occasion of sin that should be avoided except for married couples who are procreating Obviously.
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@NJWEBER18 Yes.. But the relationship between us the blessed VIRGIN Mary And God is completely "chase".. Which means there is ZERO Sexual component. You're missing the point. Sex, in my opinion, is an occasion of sin and should only be practiced by married couples who are procreating. Chastity and celibacy should be celebrated.. souls can get closer to God by avoiding the sin of lust that more often than not shows up during marital sex.
@FrankD23
Ай бұрын
@NJWEBER18 Also many saints have said that the number one I thing That leads souls to hell is lust. We should not be praising the doorway to lust which is sex.. We have to accept that we are falling Creatures and we have to avoid things like sex unless absolutely necessary, like in marriage when we are procreating.
@NJWEBER18
Ай бұрын
@@FrankD23 you are getting awfully close to the doctrine on marriage by the Manichaeist Heresy. Sex is absolutely beautiful and not sinful by Catholic teaching. I do not know where you are getting this view of sex, but it is not the Catholic Magesterium. Sex is not a "necessary evil", it is one of the most beautiful gifts to man, hence why it is part of procreation, which is a participation with God's action of creation.
@jenniferflower9265
Ай бұрын
Men will never heal from lust until he takes responsibility for it in his heart. It comes from the thoughts generated in his own head and heart not from outside of the self. Men will keep struggling by putting the responsibility on others. Addicts do this as well. There’s alway a reason from out there that triggers them to take that next drink. Until they deal with the things of life and develops good coping skills, and takes ahold of their thought and desires. They will keep drinking. One can’t and shouldn’t control others. One can only change what happens in theirselves.
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