I’m surprised you didn’t way up the size of the fuel tanks, pretty important and n an adventure bike I think.
@randykawasaki
5 жыл бұрын
Particularly enjoyed the extensive off road element of the test.....
@scldma114
5 жыл бұрын
randykawasaki couldn't agree more. 👍🏻Moreover if one is looking into the 790adv r to keep in on the road only, is either a poser that is planning to keep the bike parked in front of starbucks or someone about to buy the wrong bike for himself. The review is misleading in this sense.
@enrique60033
4 жыл бұрын
It shoud have called the review,"whats the best adv bike to go get starbucks on sunday"
@percussion44
2 жыл бұрын
@@scldma114 Lol, not misleading at all. Posing in front of starbucks wearing all the appropriately badged gear is EXACTLY where both of these moto's and their riders will be found.
@percussion44
2 жыл бұрын
If these bikes are loaners, crashing them on single track and getting handed a bill for 20,000 pounds is probably low on this dudes list. Where would it be on yours?
@MrEtnorb
5 жыл бұрын
You have to remember that many times TMF has stated that he isn’t an experienced dirt rider. There is no doubt that the hard core dirt riders would not consider the GS is in the same ballpark as the 790. Look at the roads travelled in this report-purely a road rest where the KTM’s dirt qualities are not obvious. Forgetting about the overwhelming superiority of the KTM in the dirt, the KTM’s weight advantage alone would be enough to make it a winner. My motto is 2 cylinders = too much weight for a dirt bike so I could never go backwards to a GS/790/T700 Yam.
@barryolaith
5 жыл бұрын
Hello DKW. Fair point. In this whole section of the market there is a (Cagiva) elephant in the room and some honest discussion would be interesting. In tarmac, private land Britain there are very very few places you can travel off-road for any distance. This current trend for 'adventure' bikes is akin to the 4X4 SUV boom of recent years in my view. It's more fashion and Walter Mitty than reality. I also believe that only a small percentage of motorcycle owners actually go touring in the real sense. So, comparing these 2 bikes in the way TMF has done is in my view more relevant and realistic than some of the comments suggest, if we are to be honest with ourselves.
@MrEtnorb
5 жыл бұрын
I definitely think you are correct re these "adventure bikes" being the SUV's of the bike world. For most riders its a case of the fabled image of being in the outdoors and I "could do this" but in reality it hardly happens. Here in Australia, the 790 will be an overwhelming sales success as we are incredibly lucky to have many thousands of kilometres of geniune dirt roads/tracks. On my rides it is typical to not see a vehicle for 2 hours at a time and that is at a distance of only 400km from the Sydney CBD. I have owned "ADV" bikes from the 1200GSA's, progressing down through the unimpressive F800GS and now own a DR650 and KTM 500EXC, both converted to true ADV bikes. Any dirt bike more than 150kg dry weight is a liability in the dirt-hard to do U turns, fall over easily and impossible to pick up without help. Also these new bike are getting far too electrically complex in my book, always need the seat rebuilt and need a decent screen.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
A winner just because weight less? And by the way,this are not "off road bikes", this are "adventure bikes. They are suitable for off road,but is noth the principal intended purpose. There is not perfect bike out there, they all have limitations. That the ktm is better off road? Off course! The same way the BMW is better off road! . I do own a BMW f850 adventure, and took a test ride yesterday in a ktm,and honestly, tje ktm will be 100 times better off road,bit that is it. Here in the states that you cover long distances all the time,the BMW is way way way better on the road,better wind protection, better electronics, better ergonomics, better lighting, and I'm not BMW biased, Mather of fact I will also buy a 790 for shorter trips.
@Jamby7
5 жыл бұрын
you should have titled your video, "what's the best for riding on the street?" The GS is much more of a Street bike. The 790R is much more of a Dirt bike. So to isolate a comparison of these bikes to either surface is a statement of the obvious. the real question is how would these bikes compare on a course of 50% Dirt & 50% street. That's what we need to understand.
@davidball8983
5 жыл бұрын
Why add looks, and if you must then why not ask for the views from a selection of bikers?
@dirtbikesandsimracing5421
5 жыл бұрын
Put the KTM in Rally mode as it provides the most direct throttle response. Also, aftermarket screens can be bought for touring so would never base a decision of whether to buy a bike or not based on wind protection.
@DaemonViews
5 жыл бұрын
So you let the BMW win on price? I'm sorry, but what? That is a BMW base price, meaning you get wheels and an engine. The TFT screen you liked? 650 euro. The ESA you liked? 1000 euro. Lean sensitive ABS on the BMW, also an extra. Can't recall the price for that but remember that you need to have the rider modes as well as an option. You really need to look at the options you get standard and spec them out similarly, otherwise it is incorrect. Just take the standard KTM stuff and add it in on the BMW. KTM doesn't have endless option lists.
@damirglavas7940
5 жыл бұрын
You 're right Peter I was just starting to saying that ..KTM have TFT, lean ABS, Suspension front fork fully adjustable, the rear also fully adjustable, ABS front and rear and driving modes Road, Street, off-road and rally with the base price.BMW has as you said wheels and engine at a base price. Quick shifters both have also as an extra in video.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
The ktm is exactly the same thing,to add more you have to pay, on the BMW you pay more because has more options.
@josecalvete8187
5 жыл бұрын
12masterr not the truth. The R comes with all the modes, besides quick shifter.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
@@josecalvete8187 riding modes? All new bikes have that. The BMW comes with center stand,fog lights, heated grips, gps mount and control, stainless rear and side racks and quickshifter .add all that to the ktm (that you can't because some are not even options on the ktm) and let's see.
@funn104
5 жыл бұрын
@@josecalvete8187 the adventure R in australia comes with quickshifter up and down as standard at $21,500AUD ride away. $600 more for cruise control is pretty much the only option you would need. and maybe the akropovic if you're that way inclined.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
Well,I do have a 2019 BMW f850 adventure, un exactly the same configuration as the one in the video,and with respect to the transmission, is noticeable smoother now with 3000 miles on it.on the other hand,even when most people will compare this two bikes as in the same category, Me thinks they are not. The ktm was made as a big dirt bike that occasionally you can take on the road,and the BMW is a big touring bike that you can occasionally take off road.
@tennyis28
5 жыл бұрын
the KTM was not made as a big dirt bike, they have the 530 and 690 for that.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
@@tennyis28 well,that is what it is,I just took a ride on one of the first ones here,and that thing is small, I'm 6 ft tall,and my knees were complaining, it is too off road focused, in my opinion, maybe perfect for someone that wants loads of off road,but here in the states, with the long distances, it will not work for me,and the seat was made of rock!
@jimenagulla9081
5 жыл бұрын
@@12masterr says someone who doesn't own one, I ride mine on the road all the time and it carves the twisties and does 75-80mph no problem on the road, plus it will rip it up off road. I'm 5'11" and the bike is not "tiny" it's just not a wallowing road bike that pretends to be off road capable.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
@@jimenagulla9081 did you read what I posted? I didn't say the ktm is a bad bike,I just said the ktm will be better offroad,and tje bmw will be better on the road,and I don't need to own one,I test ride it and is too cramped for me.
@jimenagulla9081
5 жыл бұрын
Yep, read your post and it's not accurate, you say it's a big dirt bike that can occasionally take on the road, this is false, you can't possibly know this from one test ride, your 1 inch taller than me and I'm not close to feeling cramped. These are things that a person can't know from one little test ride, do I really care what you like or think? He'll no, but your opinion is not based on an actual saddle time, and is misleading.
@ajveeden8595
5 жыл бұрын
The GS is for touring and folks that like to go sight seeing hanging out at the pub after a cozy ride. The KTM is for taking on true off-road adventures were there are no pubs . No comparison.
@anxiousappliance
5 жыл бұрын
No pubs?!! Holy moly!!
@rdrg7362
5 жыл бұрын
Ahr, forgot : 7/10 for electronics for the 790! which has the most advanced electronics package of the entire ADV production!
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
It’s just my opinion, I personally preferred the BMW electronics package...
@raymondavalon
5 жыл бұрын
Hmm, so no real world testing here, just one man's opinion from some road riding... Other real world features I would love to have seen reviewed: Highway travelling - loaded and unloaded (with / without luggage) Wet weather behaviour Off road handling - loaded and unloaded (with / without luggage) Urban travelling - engine heat etc.. Recovery - how easy are these bikes to get upright when you're riding solo? Weight - yes, weight is everything in this class... Service intervals This review is probably more focussed at the BMW F850GS types who like many GS owners never, ever touch dirt with their bikes, whereas almost every KTM790 Adv R owner has purchased an off road capable adventure bike that can handle the black top too.. If you look at the KTM 790 Adv R videos here and the videos/photos on other social media platforms, the 790 Adv R's are always featured doing their thing off road, which is where this model will absolutely thrive and thrash the BMW F850GS No mention of the massive F750/850 recalls for replacement engines in 2018? This was due to the 100% Chinese made engines being like almost anything made in China: Substandard and cobbled together by US$10/day sweatshop drone type workers opposed to European craftsmen. BMW remedied this production/QC faux par and replaced the engines on affected units No mention of the KTM 790 Adventure issues like the [social media] reports of oil leaks, coolant leaks, blocked fuel filters and questionable fuel gauge accuracy, sure these have been resolved by the dealers, but they're worth a mention There are also reports of broken sumps and cracked casings from "normal off road riding" - two reports, one of each since the release, the majority of owners haven't had any of the two serious issues mentioned above, but thanks to social media, many do believe it was owner/rider issues and some believe they are "design flaws" - still well worth a mention Lastly, I would have never put the 790 Adv R up against the F850GS, the KTM 790 Adv "S" or standard model is the more realistic competitor to the mainly road orientated F850GS models, the 790 Adv R that you tested has Metzler Karroo 3 tyres, they are crap on the tarmac and very mediocre off road too The 790 S has Avon Trailrider tyres which are much more road orientated, crap off road and are more comparative to the tyres fitted to the F850GS So, a nice entertaining review , but I wouldn't say it was a realistic review as this was all done on asphalt which will certainly favour the F850GS, but in off road conditions you would have seen the 790 Adv R excel with it's fully tweakable suspension, albeit manually configured. This would also have clearly demonstrated the limitations of semi active [say: electronic] suspension (which I must add , I have on my big adventure bike, it works well for road use but has me wishing for much better/precise settings when riding off road) Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it.. and I will be following you..
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to write that lot down and share your opinion too - this is only my opinion on the bikes, I’m not saying it’s any more valid than anyone else’s! Thanks for watching - TMF
@praveennigam6202
5 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if you compare KTM 790Adventure( standard) and Triumph Tiger!
@banzai385
5 жыл бұрын
2. Cylinder better off road , 3 cylinder better for the road. Both Great bikes .
@alantrek100
5 жыл бұрын
I think you missed the whole point of these bikes, off road capability? That’s the point of them, also the weight difference is far from marginal as you stated. I know a lot of people will not take the BMW off road but KTM will probably spend most of its life off road, also off road the KTMs 48mm front forks are on a different level, so is the travel and the ground clearance..
@jimenagulla9081
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, kind of comparing Apple's to oranges, just because both bikes are in same segment (adventure )and similar engine size doesn't mean they are the same, the KTM is a beast off road, but i don't think there's much of that in England.oh well I'm not surprised he picked the BMW.
@rog1342
5 жыл бұрын
@@jimenagulla9081 exactly, , and curiously coz everybody who did a review of this bike said the suspension is a next level, like, so fck top, and he scored as 6/7 and worse than bmw? lolol
@garrycoates2147
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this comment. Really disappointing to review adventure bikes with an off-road pedigree and not actually take them on to dirt!? Pointless review. I kept thinking I was missing some video footage.
@funn104
5 жыл бұрын
I must agree. Very biased review. I think that KTM nailed the looks of the 790R. Very aggressive styling. The BMW however.. looks a little retarded tbh. Looks will always be subjective and in my opinion the scores he gave them should have been left off the total tally. Making the ktm the winner...
@joshuacormican6656
5 жыл бұрын
I take my F800GS off-road A LOT.
@DifferentSpokesTV
5 жыл бұрын
That 'mid-size' Beemer is huge. Looks close in size to the 1250. Off road it would be no contest.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
Having a new bmw 850 gsa,I agreed with you, on the other hand,the bmw is a way better road bike. You can not really have everything in one bike!
@DifferentSpokesTV
5 жыл бұрын
Good point. Just depends on what you use it for.
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
@@DifferentSpokesTV yes,I tried tje ktm,and feels like a big dirt bike,I'm 6ft,and my knees were bent like a banana, at 53 yo is uncomfortable for long rides, may be perhaps the perfect bike for around the world adventure, but here in the states, with the long distances to get anywhere, tje bmw is just perfect. Is heavier,bit also comes factory with center stand,fog light, stainless rack,stainless side racks and big adjustable windshield
@DifferentSpokesTV
5 жыл бұрын
I get ya. I ride a Moto Guzzi Stelvio which is neither the fastest or the most off-road worthy adventure bike, but it's the most comfortable and that's why I love it. Wouldn't hesitate to ride from Toronto to Alaska on it.
@barryweaver8833
5 жыл бұрын
Yes I already kinda figured all the stuff you mentioned like handling, suspension, brakes, YAWN..... yeah both are great. Why wouldn't they be. What I want to know is how does it feel?? You really must sit on them and test ride them to know, after riding the 850 GS and the 850 GSA (one has a larger tank) I decided that there is absolutely no difference from those bikes and the 1250 GS nor the 1250 GSA. The BMW 850 is totally useless with the 1250 GSA being for sale. Is the 850 really that much more versatile than the 1250? Nah, just has a bigger front wheel and so what. With that said, the KTM should be compared to the older BMW 800 or something. Price: who cares if you're buying one of these bikes, money is virtually no object and you should be paying cash with no hesitation. I really wish I knew what BMW is trying to do here with this 850?? I already have a 1200 GSA water boxer, so for my 6th bike, I will be going with this KTM 800, they have made some radical changes which I appreciate and off road worthy. And sorry don't mean to be rude, I speak my mind.
@johnward3490
5 жыл бұрын
For all those saying TMF should have tested bikes off road. Go and tell dealers your going off road for a test ride see how you get on 👍
@taylordixson2971
5 жыл бұрын
My BMW dealer has demos and regularly takes them down to his cabin in the woods for test rides.
@jamiecox2506
5 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, did you get a spray tan? Maybe in the UK these bikes won't see much off-road action and that's a crying shame for this type of motorcycle. It breaks my heart to continually see very serious motorcycles with the wrong tyres fitted. Here in Australia, the bulk of punters that buy this type of motorcycle want to get it out into the bush. What we know about these two bikes, is that the BM is a decent road bike (if a little over-priced) with decent enough off-road performance. The KTM on the other hand, is an outstanding off-road motorcycle (if a little over-priced), that has decent enough on-road manners. MPG is also a massive factor in choosing your next ADV. Luggage options etc. All the best.
@TheDavidGoldmanphoto
5 жыл бұрын
I was surprised the BMW was less expensive (purchase price). Thanks as always.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Well the usual rules apply - BMW quote base prices without the extras...
@TheDavidGoldmanphoto
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer Of course! after a few additions you start thinking that maybe you should buy a 1250... base model :)
@maz2496
5 жыл бұрын
after owning , gs 1200, v v stroms, Versys 1000 the triumph 800 is the best I’ve ever had
@maz2496
5 жыл бұрын
david waddington xrt
@christopherdevries1969
5 жыл бұрын
Not a shocking outcome 😂. 👍
@TheDesertsweeper
5 жыл бұрын
And being "adventure" bikes is good to see you threw some gravel sections in there, with the odd river crossing and a mud - bath, to give the viewer a true sense of their multi-terrain capabilities...
@nelsonluisfreire8969
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's true....
@milolabrett6549
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned an F 800 GS and preferred the Petrol Tank in the centre with Petrol cap at the back right side. This position gave the bike-amazing centre of gravity and easy fill when using tank bag. Both bikes have the two-cylinder Rotax engine, which is just absolutely Bullet proof. I found F 800 GS very easy to work on for general maintenace. The London Anti - Terror Police use the F series GS and I can understand why, since they are absolutely nimble in city traffic. The Israeli Yasam / Special Police Force also use the standard versions nothing modified F series GS.
@wesgilbert3030
5 жыл бұрын
Great review/comparison my friend! I actually just purchased the 790 Adventure standard version (not the R) and I must say that I love it! I was looking at the Beemer as well but my nearest BMW dealer is in Missoula, Montana which is about 4 hours from me. (I’m in Bozeman, MT). I did find your opinions on the aspects that you reviewed on the KTM to be spot on. Either way that’s 2 amazing bikes there!
@bradleyalexander5821
5 жыл бұрын
I can’t possibly think of a more enjoyable job than yours. As for those bikes.......? My pick would be the Tiger 800 xCA, due to the “wow” factor for me. All these machines these days are superb. I like this format of head to head comparison.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Well you may not be so keen on th “pay”!!!!
@palantir135
5 жыл бұрын
Adventure riding, not in my comfort zone. I rode very bad asphalt roads, a few light gravel roads and that's it. I did that on the Suzuki V-Strom 650. I try to avoid very bad roads on my sport touring Honda cbf1000. For me, comfort, weather protection are most important. Therefore I automatically choose the bmw.
@larryvanputten4048
Жыл бұрын
Good comparison indeed of two gorgeous machines! I ride the standard F850GS Rallye and I would rather compare that to the lighter and faster KTM. Outside the petrol tank and the suspension there is not that much difference. I can ride 300 to 360 kms on one tank full of gas and that never gives me any trouble. Besides that I like the weight and the looks of the F850GS better than the GSA.
@juddadam2
5 жыл бұрын
I'm 5'7" and after sitting on them, the Triumph Tiger 800 is well suited to shorter riders. BMW and KTM are taller than I would like, but Tiger, I can touch the floor easier. I also have longer legs than torso, so my inseam is longer than some other shorter riders if that helps
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree...
@nelsonluisfreire8969
5 жыл бұрын
This comparo is so weird!! No off-road topics? What kind of bikes are these? That alone would place KTM well ahead. Otherwise you are shopping for a road bike, then you have other non trail options. There is the price issue, where you have compared an equipped BMW with a standard KTM, and when it came to prices you did compare only basic versions! Really? But off road abilities is what sets these 2 bikes aside. There's no comparison here. KTM is orders of magnitude better then the BMW off-roading. So, my conclusion is: KTM is the winner because on-road they are equal, with KTM granting the user extra superb ability off road
@human1513
4 жыл бұрын
Cruise Control, heated Grips, and many other electronics are add on options from KTM.
@maxleopoldmun
5 жыл бұрын
If I want to know anything about how I might like a bike, this is where I come!
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Good man!
@RobertWoolford
5 жыл бұрын
Without riding both of these bikes off road, the comparison is somewhat flawed, especially as the pitch by KTM is very much off-road focused and would destroy the BMW GS in this areana. If you only ride on Sundays or a Starbucks jokey, then it's a good comparison.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
That’s me!! Plus I didn’t want to drop bikes that aren’t mine....
@GetBushwise
5 жыл бұрын
These are both Adventure bikes when I last looked not asphalt tourers! Spend a 1000 miles adventuring on varied outback terrain on each and you’ll know on day one already who the clear winner is. The beemer is not even close.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that....
@Lawman-196
5 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done! B'mer a better bike for the road, both are heavy for the dirt.....thank God for my Husky450fe....and of course my GS 1200 Ralle
@technomaniac1992
5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, between KTM 790 Adv R and BMW F850GS Adv, the best bike is Triumph tiger 800 XCA
@debenhamdave4314
5 жыл бұрын
View from the cockpit the BMW looks a proper bike nice wide tank, screen and mirrors, KTM I'm sorry dosent look great mirrors awful small screen and orange yuk, thanks TMF.
@liamdaly2286
5 жыл бұрын
're. The price comparison, doesn't the base price for the bmw include.... nothing? If you want the esa etc,you need to upgrade. So not sure how they won on price
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
And what the ktm have? Same thing,nothing. Here in the states they don't even sell the basic bmw,nobody will buy it.
@liamdaly2286
5 жыл бұрын
@@12masterr that's kinda my point about the bmw.... If you can't buy it cos they don't sell it, why use the price for a comparison? You buy a ktm, you get the bike.... don't have to go through a secondary design process to ensure you get all the parts you want like you do with a new. The price comparison is this: Go to ktm with the listed price and ride away on a bike. Go to bmw and you are told you can't buy the bike
@CanadianTexaninLiguria
5 жыл бұрын
@@liamdaly2286 Yup - well said. Why I will never own another F series.
@chrischristofis8501
Жыл бұрын
Another excellent review 👏 if i may suggest both of these bikes are great! having riden the KTM it is its ease of moving around in a garage etc that would be the huge points winner over the BMW, its one of the easiest bikes to move there is, that matters, i actually purchased a KTM over a BMW for this reason alone as i have very limited space. I fancy a change maybe to the BMW now though, as a long term KTM user wind buffet at speed is an issue, as the KTM is so light, on motorway journeys it does bother me when passing a lorry or in high winds, that is where the BMW is a big points winner in my view and one of the reasons i am considering a change all other things you mentioned were fair
@larryvenezia1542
5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree that in purchasing either bike, it comes down to personal preference. Over the long term for me, the extra wind protection of the BMW which makes it more suitable for touring and highway riding would be the difference maker
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
And that's why I bought mine,not only that,but the ktm driving position is too compact for my 6 ft tall body, the BMW is way way more relaxed.
@kapilrana6220
5 жыл бұрын
Great job on the comparison however, you didn’t tackle the issue about reliability. I’ve heard the KTM suffer from lots of issues. Can’t wait until you do a review of the Yamaha Tenere 700.
@OTWW
5 жыл бұрын
I heard the World is flat, many people say it all over the internet? Seriously, how can he cover realiability of two bikes just intruduced in the market?
@eoghanhennessy15
5 жыл бұрын
These shootout style videos are awesome! Love this class of bike - keep up the great work
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eoghan - quite difficult for me to do because I don’t really have much say over exactly what bike I can have when alas....occasionally it sort of works!
@jimbothejetset
5 жыл бұрын
Had the old F800GS A. Hated it. Only reason for these bikes for me is if you actually use them off road. For road riding or touring there are many better options. Both of these hit every branch on the ugly tree falling to earth too. Surely they can both do better in how they look? Horses for courses I suppose, just not mine.
@wandering_armadillo
5 жыл бұрын
Yes it was of some interest Mr Flyer! And that was before I glanced to the wall and saw that electro-acoustic which looks similar to my trusty dark blue Yamaha! We have the best hobbies friend! Thumbs up!
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Yes that is my only Yamaha!
@wandering_armadillo
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer Same .... it's a trusty guitar with a bright tone :)
@MrG61-u9k
5 жыл бұрын
Nice review sir, surely these are 3/4 weight machines rather mid weight, anyway would like to know price as tested, I bet there's a few more ££'s in the BMW.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@MrG61-u9k
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer Sad person with too much time on my hands, on the configurator that bikes £15,505!
@volt7cooltangs701
5 жыл бұрын
Man, that specced up 850GS is a quality bike with its gorgeous hi res display, great handling & suspension. But so it should be ‘cos jeezus it’s expensive. I own a Duke 790 and I like it but it terms of comfort and finish the specced up 850GS is a level up. In terms of speed I found the GS surprisingly quick, even sporty, with its 95hp & 67lbs torque. 2nd gear maxed out at 70mph. Loads of power to weight with a lot of torque. Quick enough for me. The 853cc engine seems a huge improvement over the previous 800 and certainly sounds better. Haven’t ridden the KTM 790 Ad so can’t comment on how the 2 compare although I can say the 790 engine is superb with loads of character. I’d love to own a fully specced F850GS one day but can’t afford a new one.
@outsidersrepublic5190
4 жыл бұрын
Good video. Reasonable comparison of the features and characteristics of each bike and how they feel during regular around-town riding.
@Macca260
5 жыл бұрын
The BMW costs about 2.5k more than the KTM in Australia, and almost 5k more than a twin. Very odd
@lucsergerie1835
3 жыл бұрын
Good Video like always i own a KTM 790 adventure and have a KTM 890 Adventure in order for december i don't like the front i order a Baja type light :) other then that it rock! Orange is the new Black ..lol
@bandogbone3265
5 жыл бұрын
Though I'm 100% on-road, I'm looking at ADV bikes because I ride year-round in all weather (in NJ, USA). For me, the Triumph Tiger 800 XRx beats both of these as a "bad weather bike" (my "good weather bike" is a Triumph Speed Triple, so I admit I'm biased towards Triumphs and the triple engine). Your comparison is unfair because the KTM targets a different niche than the BMW, and you didn't take either bike off-road in this review. No worries though, people in this market know what they want and will collect info from many other reviews before making a well-informed decision, so your particular perspectives add to this mix -- much appreciated! My current "bad weather bike" is a 2008 1203 cc Buell XB12X Ulysses (my first bike), which suits me perfectly, but it is beginning to wear out, replacement parts are getting difficult to find, and I think a lighter "bad weather bike" would be better for my purposes. When the time comes to pull the trigger on a Tiger 800, I'll survey the marketplace again, including all the Japanese offerings, just to make sure I'm not missing something good. One important factor to consider that is difficult to evaluate in these generic reviews for the whole world is serviceability over the lifetime of the bike. This will vary a great deal depending on your particular location. As the years go by, I'm less inclined towards tinkering, I want to have dealerships with authorized service shops nearby, and the model of bike should be well-established in order for parts to be available for many years to come. My Speed Triple has worked out very well in this regard -- I bought it new in 2009 from a nearby dealership, they still treated it like I just got it yesterday when I recently brought it in for scheduled maintenance, and all parts are still readily available. I've been less fortunate with the Buell, which I must tinker with myself since H-D killed the brand, and it takes work and luck just to find needed parts, as in the used marketplace on eBay.
@Matt43
5 жыл бұрын
I've always been torn between these two but I lean towards the KTM since I am off road a lot and it's considerably lighter.
@larryvanputten4048
Жыл бұрын
Sensible! In case of more offroading you should choose the KTM. In case of more onroad use the BMW (GS, not GSA)
@hectorgonzalez68
5 жыл бұрын
The worst Is to compare the price of the KTM with the base BMW, the BMW you try with dynamic esa and TFT easy go UP tu 13,500£
@Enonymouse_
4 жыл бұрын
The base BMW 850GS actually sold for less than KTM ADV R in the US, it included some things people say are extras, sans ESA of course. Your experiences may vary. KTM 790 ADVR is not in stock at the locations i've frequented by comparison.
@guypritchard2451
4 жыл бұрын
hector you are right, i just bought an ex-demo ktm, the same spec GS was £0000's more
@ajinkyakhanzode890
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Love all the comparison videos. Absolutely love those point score sound effects 👍👍👍
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you - I was quite pleased with them too!!
@peterroman2
Жыл бұрын
Hello Mr Flyer! Long time viewer, first time commenter. I really enjoy your tests of new motorcycles, especially ones I find myself drawn to. I want to comment on something that is really critical to me. Very few testers share their observations about a bike’s suspension feel and adjustability, if available. For example, I recently rewatched your long term review of the KTM 790 Duke. Some KTMs are interesting to me and I wanted to know what your thoughts were about the non-adjustable front suspension. Not a word. I owned a KTM 990 SMT some years ago and loved it. However, it had a fully (manually) adjustable front and rear suspension. Adjustments made a huge difference. I have low confidence in non-adjustable suspension. Would you endevour to comment on this topic in the future please? Thank you and keep up the good work. Peter
@TheMissendenFlyer
Жыл бұрын
Yes I do try and mention adjustability Peter - but will focus on it in future!
@janra8653
5 жыл бұрын
good honest review. well done. please do another on totally offroad orientated.
@danielthompson803
5 жыл бұрын
The two bikes have different purposes ktm R is the off road specialist and the bmw is all round, should have used the other KTM 790 road version.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Ideally - but I can only use what is available to me....it’s difficult for me to get hold of bikes, let alone two comparable...
@markturner4395
5 жыл бұрын
very true, stupid comparison.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thankyou Mark!
@wallywad64
5 жыл бұрын
How can you test these bikes without going offroad?
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Like in the video...
@cmuz0013
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer is it something to do with the MF not being off road capable?
@jimenagulla9081
5 жыл бұрын
There's no real off roadng in England, just dirt roads and the like,the 790R is made to tear it up,the Beemer is so much more civil, two different animals.
@russellnapier3884
5 жыл бұрын
Jimena Gulla There is a thing called the TET (Trans Euro Trail) that runs around Britain which has an extensive range of off-road trails (Not suitable for BWM riders, far too dirty) 😂
@The333
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison. The normal, great content from TMF. Great stuff, love both of these bikes.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@The333
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer TMF - I am the same height as you - BMW 850 a comfortable fit for me?
@whiterabbitt2002
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry not sorry. But the KTM 790 S is probably the best Adventure Motorcycle on the market at the moment. I do not own one, yet. But I did test ride one. Excellent. Won't go into all its attributes here for there are many YT videos that do such. As with all mid weight Adventure bikes it is not inexpensive to purchase. But, IMO, it is worth the cost compared to others in its class. The R model is basically engineered to be an Off Road Motorcycle whereas the S model is primarily engineered as a perfect comprimise between "Off Road and " On Road". I will be purchasing the S model as soon as I am able. just saying
@Mantisen87
5 жыл бұрын
Nice review, and comparison! Only point I found off was the base price comparison - since you kind of 'have' to add so much options to the BMWs
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
True...
@Mantisen87
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer really like the format though, always think you have good reasoning around the bikes. You holding the XSR900 in such a high esteem tipped the scales for that one for me last year 😎
@737adventure
5 жыл бұрын
TMF, get that youtube email Info fixed, please! I missed that vlog now for HOURS! Thanks for that, I was so looking forwards to it - and there is no disappointment, as ever! Cheers, Tim
@ktm690endurorally
5 жыл бұрын
Would still be interested to know the price of the BMW as tested vs the base price as when you compared the price to the KTM as tested. I am aware bmw asks a lot to spec a bike out like that but don’t know the price difference of the 850 adventure
@erwinballings9155
5 жыл бұрын
The BMW has my preference because it offers more possibilities to go on longer trips
@larenvanderwesthuizen966
5 жыл бұрын
The KTM 790 ADVENTURE was built for longer trips and has the range and comfort to back it up. The KTM 790 ADVENTURE R in the video was built for more extreme type adventure.
@davidfishbough6170
5 жыл бұрын
Hello TMF, I loved this comparison with your point system! Please keep the like bike comparison videos if possible. Thanks for the great videos!
@timayla123
5 жыл бұрын
For me, the new Yamaha 700 Tenere does all of this for a lot less money so long as not having all the electronic aids doesn't make you suck your thumb while rocking in the corner. The Yamaha sounds like it has mastered the compromise at being very good on and off road and very attractively priced. Watch out BMW, KTM & Triumph.
@dencrane7322
5 жыл бұрын
All the metrosexual office boys like the electronics though so that's how these lot get away with it.
@cassin11
5 жыл бұрын
These are off road biased bikes. You should test them accordingly. If you were looking for street comfort, I shall say you got the wrong bikes.
@Enonymouse_
4 жыл бұрын
I've been riding the 850 in freezing temps, the heated grips are a life saver.
@suezix8689
4 жыл бұрын
he just told you they do provide street comfort, haven't you noticed?
@cassin11
4 жыл бұрын
@@suezix8689 Tell what? I used to own the 790. I got rid of it. Try riding a bike if you have one 500 miles a day for 1 week. You'll know what street comfort means. Don't try to be a smart ass. Nobody likes it.
@suezix8689
4 жыл бұрын
@@cassin11 And you think street comfort only applies to 500 miles per day in the saddle for one or 67 weeks? 'Street' means asphalt, nothing in it about distance. I'd much rather do 30 miles on the 790R than the R6, even though the latter is a road bike with no offroading credentials whatever. And of course, the very same applies if I have to do 500 miles per days for a week. So yeah, the 790R or the T7 or any 'offroad-biased' bike provide street comfort. Funny enough, I know it for a fact.
@suezix8689
4 жыл бұрын
@@cassin11 But let's go to the end of your logic. Because they are offroad biased he should test them offroad. Only he's never done offroad. So he's going to ride them on terrain that even an R1 can tackle, at any rate any naked bike. So you and a lot more up-in-armers will laugh at his effort (to appease you) for not being a born Dakar rider. In this light, what good does it do to ask him what he can't do well enough? Are you saying he should not ride these bikes full stop? He's not allowed? He mustn't be allowed to ride them only on road and give his opinion? He's one of the very few to have tested these bikes (est the KTM) solely on road. Everybody else tested them just the way you want, just look around on KZitem and allow a man to use a bike the way he wants. That'd be smart.
@jamessuttie1261
5 жыл бұрын
Good review overall, although I don’t understand your scoring on gearbox. Both have quick shifter, and you said both BMW and KTM worked well, so it doesn’t make sense to score KTM at 9 and BMW at 7. Keep up the good work.
@johnfitzgerald4274
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@kiwiandyt123
5 жыл бұрын
Were all those electronic doo-dads included in that base price on the BMW? That might swing your score in favour of the KTM. (Although the BM would always win because any bike with gold wheels is clearly the best!)
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Yes there should have been a “does it have gold wheels category?”.....and your implication is correct, the electronic doodads are extras on the BMW....
@Spectolux
5 жыл бұрын
Did I miss any mention of warranty or dependability? That would definitely be a consideration for me on every bike. Thanks again for your comprehensive and informative videos, Flyer. Cheers!
@12masterr
5 жыл бұрын
Here I the states,ktm o ly has 1 year warranty, and will not cover electronic devices, me has a 3 year warranty unlimited miles
@GalambaPortugal
5 жыл бұрын
Ladies and gentlemans... And the winner is... Bum, bum, bum... Triumph Tiger 800!!! 🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯 Congrats!!!
@alexmorgan3435
5 жыл бұрын
Too heavy.
@GalambaPortugal
5 жыл бұрын
@@alexmorgan3435😂😂😂
@GalambaPortugal
5 жыл бұрын
@@alexmorgan3435 go to the gym! 😂
@dencrane7322
5 жыл бұрын
Too boring. Old mans bike with all that weight.
@Da.Onus.Burger.618
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe I’m too old school, but I’m not a fan of quick shifters. I rode a Ducati Supersport a few weeks back, and I can see the application on sport bikes, but not ADV’s. (But again, that’s just me!). From all of the reviews I’ve seen on KTMs lately, it seems like they are really starting to gain popularity with folks over there in the UK and they are increasing their presence here in the States as well. I think they are trying to make up for dissing Charlie and Ewan from a few years ago when they made those little movies, LOL! 😉 Anyways, great video as always TMF! Looking forward to any trips you take/record this summer! Going anywhere special this year? Safe travels, sir! #whiteVANSeverywhere 🤣😂🤣👍🏾
@christianmouraux7269
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you! Pretty good comparison...on road. Overall those bike should be tested as well on off-road
@Braselton21
4 жыл бұрын
I'll have the *Triumph Tiger* thank you very much 😏
@justbanter8727
5 жыл бұрын
Spot on - excellent synopsis; I think if you're doing more off-road stuff? the KTM pips it, but I prefer the BMW - all down to personal choice on this one.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah of course - it’s just a bit of fun as I had both bikes close to each other...
@milosone
5 жыл бұрын
Loving the scores, thank you
@yonniboy1
5 жыл бұрын
I don't know how KTM can justify the Adventure costing almost three grand more than the 790 Duke.
@dafebeme2
5 жыл бұрын
WP Suspensions are expensive.
@StevenBroom
5 жыл бұрын
I really like the look of the BMW, much nicer looking than the r1200gs. The KTM is horrific. Who designed those mirrors? Walt Disney?
@anxiousappliance
5 жыл бұрын
He's dead - so no.
@FuzzyScaredyCat
5 жыл бұрын
I know you said what the base price was but what were the prices of the bikes you had, with all the extras on? (btw audio sync goes a bit off in the summary at the end)
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Sadly I don’t know - both these bikes were loaned direct from the manufacturers and (oddly) they seldom tell you the full spec of the bike they lend you...or give you a manual...bit of an adventure finding out what you have on your hands!!
@rockafella1690
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would like to see more of these.
@LeytonC
5 жыл бұрын
I have same problem with Vans, Lorries and people doing 40 in a 60.... I am surprised / disappointed there was not a how easy is it to clean category :D
@fasteddie737
5 жыл бұрын
I can't give a thumbs up, or even say good job, though I appreciate the comparison. KTM designed the 790 to be the best Adventure bike and that means off road. And, this is BMW's best off road Adv bike. With no off road comparison, this test means almost nothing to most of us.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Well it meant quite a lot to me...but then I'm just a road rider. Thanks for watching none the less - TMF
@ritfloyd
4 жыл бұрын
Surely a comparison should include at least a little bit of very mild off road riding. I understand that these bikes belong to the dealer but what is the point in just going around town, some quiet country lane and some A road?
@heisnotlongbutthin
4 жыл бұрын
So bassically the KTM 790 Adventure R is built for Offroad use and still nearly dethrones the mighty BMW on the road.
@davidlazenby5442
5 жыл бұрын
Very good comparison but you didn't really say which one you prefer.
@davidlazenby5442
5 жыл бұрын
@Last name First name 🤣🤣
@kishorshivakumar4277
5 жыл бұрын
Good comparison great work by TMF
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kishor!
@saddle8bag
5 жыл бұрын
NIce comparo. I actually have been pondering a 790 Adventure (not the R). Fixes the wind blast/seat height problems. One thing I'm not crazy about the KTM iis they lock all the gizmos and force you to pay the dealer to unlock. I could care less about the quick shifter, but I would like cruise control (which requires hardware too) and heated grips. BMW charges too, but at least it's done at the factory and priced out on the sticker. As to the lightness, I appreciate that getting it on the paddock stand and moving it around. I actually prefer a little meat on bikes when riding in wind. I also feel that light steering bikes often feel unstable. It's probably just because I over do it being used to heavier steering bikes. What I love about the KTM is my wife loves the passenger area and the rider triangle is about perfect. It wears my favorite shoes outta the box (Avon Trailriders). The fact I could ride it on adventure rides with the boys and not be left in the dust would be a nice change of pace too!
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for stopping by!
@nitroxsniffers
5 жыл бұрын
TMF, great channel!. Can You do a review of photochromic face shields? Do they adjust fast enough when going from sunlight and when you enter a dark tunnel??? One of the absolutely MUSTS for me when getting a helmet is dropdown sun visor, as we have a lot of tunnels in Norway(dark tunnels...), and riding with sunglasses is not a good option for me, but that excludes a lot of helmet options.
@Basalderalder
5 жыл бұрын
Recently, I got annoyed by a white van. Surprisingly I started smiling a bit, because I knew that the van obviously missed its target. Keep your eyes open, it might get summoned behind every corner. xD
@eubikedude
5 жыл бұрын
KTM really need to ditch the stock seats and fit their Ergo ones as standard. Maybe even give the buyer the option of which one (they come in different heights) to get with the bike. That would really add to the buying and riding experience. Likewise the windscreen, offer the off-road (R) screen or the road one so you don't end up (like me) with a collection of seats, screens and exhaust pipes sitting around. ;) Tip: When doing roll-ons, work out the speed they do in a given gear so you match the gearing as e.g. 2nd on different bikes could be different. I see people doing roll on tests in e.g. 5th comparing GS 1200 vs KTM 1290 and it's not right as the KTM has a higher top speed and more power so the gears are spread more and in that case 5th (BMW) to 4th (KTM) is the more correct choice. So pick a speed, e.g. 50mph and use the gear on each bike that gives that speed at a similar RPM and then test the roll-on in that gear.
@PhilC184
5 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the comparison, must have taken hours of work. Bit of fisheye on the garage cam, but otherwise well up to standard.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Phil - that's GoPro's for you!
@pascalolli2189
4 жыл бұрын
Why not having two riding test and review, One road and Off road ? Are they not dual ?
@Joric78
5 жыл бұрын
Not my type of bike, although some "adventure bikes" are starting to encroach on the sports-tourers (with a heavy bias towards sports) and naked bikes which are my cup of tea. I just don't have any need for the off-road pretensions (and I've ridden dirt roads on an FJ1100, RZ250R and TL1000S ). For that matter, from what I've seen, neither do most of the riders. ADV bikes seem to be the 4WD/SUVs of motorcycles in more ways than one. Always interested in hearing about bike trends and technology though, and the ADV models tend to get the works as well as being on a shared platform with other models. It's a pity these back to back comparisons are hard to organise, because hearing about the differences between similar models can be more informative than talking about the bikes in isolation. Good job!
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@dencrane7322
5 жыл бұрын
The office boys have to show how 'macho' they are somehow...
@Greggspies
4 жыл бұрын
Like reading about remainers and Brexiters which is better bike ha! One thing i reckon though is fuel tanks will move to sides it brings weight lower it makes perfect sense
@MeanGreenList
5 жыл бұрын
Usually impressed with the reviews ... this one didn’t do it for me. You really can’t compare the BMW on one topic and complain that it doesn’t have a cruise control and then turn a round and compare both as base models. Especially, when the KTM base model is far superior to the BMW base model. Fuller loaded there is a significant price difference. So again, couldn’t disagree more on some of your marks. Also, giving the KTM with a fully adjustable suspension a lesser mark than the BMW is also flawed. Unless you explain that it may seem that way for a road use only rider. The Adv R suspension is far superior for anyone who knows how to adjust a suspension, especially when it comes to off road riding. Not sure why the R model was picked for this comparison with no off road riding. Having said all that, thanks for doing this review as many people surely are considering both and will appreciate your time and effort.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
I’m no expert - I primarily make these videos for my fun and your entertainment. I wouldn’t take them too seriously...just thought this format made a change as I was able to get the bikes close together...
@MeanGreenList
5 жыл бұрын
TheMissendenFlyer Don’t get me wrong ... I really enjoy and appreciate all the work you put into your posts. They are great. Just slightly disagree with this one :). If it wasn’t for people like yourself, my gear research and ultimate decision making would not be possible.
@nureczek44
5 жыл бұрын
The very big con for bmw is that engine is manufactured in China , for this price tag it should be done in some reputable place not in the crap hole ! .......very good review, thanks !
@markjohnson8635
5 жыл бұрын
Another TMF quality review.....accompanied with a bacon sarnie and a brew.
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Nice one! What Saturday mornings are for!!
@bigsby6bender
5 жыл бұрын
Weight, and the center of gravity, are important factors as well for me.
@iwanevans100
5 жыл бұрын
Hi TMF yet again a good review and I thought quite fair under the circumstances, having ridden both bikes I feel that the build quality on the BMW much higher than the KTM plus if touring long distances the BMW wins hands down!
@russellnapier3884
5 жыл бұрын
Bike Writter Lets see you tour long distances off road on the BWM, you will spend 80% of your time picking it up and cleaning it as we all know BMW riders like clean bikes as they never go off road..
@VerdeBiancoRosso
5 жыл бұрын
790 adv just the perfect bike in the category.26kg lighter than the bmw,same horsepower although the GS is 54cc bigger.And it's very important that the original spare parts by KTM are cheaper than BMW's.
@12masterr
4 жыл бұрын
And you will need lot of parts for the ktm!
@gs032009
5 жыл бұрын
TMF, good comparative. Though ...you claimed the suspension in the KTM was very good and adaptive - not electronic means free of electronic malfunction, an extra point there, and not any worse than the BMW. In that case you should have given the KTM the same points as the BMW, which would make the KTM a winner. Even one point more, 8 instead of 7, would have made the KTM match the BMW. Just food for thought...
@pshreekumar
5 жыл бұрын
Very useful comparo! Thank you!
@TheMissendenFlyer
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@SLFYSH
5 жыл бұрын
Pretty goofy to ride a KTM adv R and BMW Adv, and judge handling and comfort, and NEVER leave the pavement. Not everyone does go off road, but those would obviously better served by other models.
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