Enoch is to 1st century Jews what Left Behind is to modern evangelicals.
@BradyPostma
3 ай бұрын
Hahaha, I like that metaphor!
@stevenbatke2475
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, but does Enoch have the powerhouse acting of a Kirk Cameron? I think not!
@ChrisBGramz4u
3 ай бұрын
I've been reading my Bible regularly for many decades and there had always been verses I couldn't quite understand. Until I read 1st Enock, It really did fill in so many blanks, in both the Old and New Testament. My understanding has grown thanks to it.
@archivist17
3 ай бұрын
Fascinating. I've never heard a more concise explanation of the significance of 1 Enoch, as it's often been espoused by more fringe elements, some with quite fanciful ideas
@timothymalone7067
3 ай бұрын
Thanks. Really enjoy your ability to provide concise information. I feel like I learn as much from your videos in few minutes as several hours of my trying to do research on my own.
@Boxerr54
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, Dan! I only recently read 1 Enoch. It is a very important book. I have been shocked at how many verses in the NT book of Revelation are almost direct quotes of 1 Enoch.
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
Not only revelation, there are many allusions to the book of Enoch in the Nt.
@thescoobymike
3 ай бұрын
Did you read the Hermeneia translation?
@randybaker6042
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian 🤣😂🤣
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian "scholars"😂😂 well the Nt authors used that book as they used the book of Moses. 😂😂
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian you mean the church and again which of the many canons? Church fathers also used that book 😂 the Nt authors had a different opinion, otherwise they wouldn't have used that book😂😂
@Chomper750
3 ай бұрын
I have to rewatch this video since I started contemplating how many shirts you must have and the logistics of storing them.
@wendyleeconnelly2939
Ай бұрын
He once showed a video of the cupboard he uses as a t shirt closet
@ChristianCarrizales
3 ай бұрын
Was waiting for Dan’s classic “fan fiction” comment about the book of Watchers 😂
@Bright_Sol
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the explanation as I was interested in why it was not included in canon despite it being so influential on other texts that are considered canon.
@ThinkitThrough-kd4fn
3 ай бұрын
It seems to me (I could be wrong) that the most popular books within the Qumran community were the ones that most influenced the early Christian authors. Isaiah, Daniel, Enoch, etc. I wonder if they had a shared membership or was it that their ideas just permeated Jewish thought at the time?
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
It was definitely not mainstream Jewish, the orthodox Jews regarded the Jesus story as a "stumbling block" as admitted by Paul
@rantonerik
3 ай бұрын
Check out Beyond the Essene Hypothesis (Gabriele Boccaccini) for a good discussion of this very topic!
@bristolrovers27
3 ай бұрын
Thanks on two fronts Firstly on a concise explanation of Enoch and its importance Secondly not aiding and abbetting someone making themselves look clueless about a subject they'd barely studied.
@randybaker6042
3 ай бұрын
Great, concise explanation. Thanks Dan!
@randybaker6042
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian I don't idolize anyone or anything. That includes the Bible. And I certainly don't consider you or anyone else an authority on what is from or not from God.
@randybaker6042
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian good! I do not claim any authority over anything.
@welcometonebalia
3 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@adamkotter6174
3 ай бұрын
I loved this video! While I appreciate countering the spread of mis- and disinformation, I feel like I get the most personally out of videos like these where you're expounding on a topic without directly commenting on another creator's video. I find these videos more professional.
@bristolrovers27
3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@HandofOmega
3 ай бұрын
Nice, was just reading this and hoping for some clarification! I think the most contradictory part is in the first part, with all the names of the rebel angels...WHO exactly is their leader? It seems to change every time the subject comes up. I was never sure if "Nephilim" literally meant "giant" the way we think of it, but according to this, YES, it very well does! Wasn't expecting the pathos of the rebel angels to desperately beg Enoch to write a petition to heaven for their forgiveness, nice touch... I think the Luminaries part is my favorite, including such "facts" as how the sun and moon are really both the same size, but the sun is just seven times brighter than the moon, and the different Winds that blow from the portals in the skydome and blow the celestial bodies along the tracks set for them in/on the dome...The "Animal Apocalypse" section is a bit rough tho, it just goes on and on with this labored analogy, till you're just thinking, "Yes, we GET it, move ON, already!" (like I said before, it's like two guys accidentally smashed their pages of The Bible with that of Animal Farm, and just went with it!). Funniest part: Enoch pulling a Maury to tell Lamech that "you ARE the father" of the terrifying glowing and speaking "alien baby" Noah! One can't blame him for wondering if his wife was sneakin' behind his back with one of those rebel angels...
@xarchist
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the translation recommendation!
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3 ай бұрын
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3 ай бұрын
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3 ай бұрын
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3 ай бұрын
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3 ай бұрын
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@MrVeryfrost
3 ай бұрын
@Dan McClellan Do Matthew 22:23-34, Mark 12:18-27, Luke 20:27-40 refer to the book of Enoch? If so, can you please educationally elaborate more?
@dantallman5345
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, it would be helpful to hear Dan’s take. (A non-academic book I read says Jesus is alluding to Enoch 15 where Enoch hears the Watcher’s petition, explains their sin and punishment.)
@funkatron101
3 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this one!
@user-pm3mw8xw8d
3 ай бұрын
Yes, fan fiction. Finally someone said it. Know what else is fan fiction? The Book of Mormon. You should do a piece on that too.
@timothywilliams8530
3 ай бұрын
Considering he is one I doubt he would. You know they excommunicate people for heresy right? You’re asking him to break every tie he has in an area that will have repercussions for him if he tries to leave. I don’t know if he has kids but the Mormon jury and judge will not side with him. You do understand that right ?
@user-pm3mw8xw8d
3 ай бұрын
@@timothywilliams8530 Yes, I know how cults operate. But an honest scholar in his position would go where the data leads, don't you think?
@scienceexplains302
3 ай бұрын
*Enoch Enoch* 🚪 Who’s there? Azazel and friends
@danielgibson8799
3 ай бұрын
hellenistic era according to 1 maccabees - 311 BCE Letter of “Jeremiah” - 310 BCE proverbs - 300 BCE job - 295 BCE Genesis 37-50 - 290 BCE 1 “Enoch” 72-82 - 275 BCE “Isaiah” 24-27 - 270 BCE Book of Giants - 250 BCE 1 “Enoch” 1-36 - 225 BCE ecclesiastes - 220 BCE sirach - 180 BCE 1 “Enoch” 91-105 - 175 BCE “Daniel” - 164 BCE 1 “Enoch” 83-90 - 162 BCE (maybe a tad later) 2 Maccabees - 150 BCE Psalms of Solomon - 45 BCE Greek Apocalypse of Moses - 25 CE Wisdom of Solomon - 40 CE Paul - 50-57 CE 1 “Enoch” 37-71 - 66 CE “Mark” - 69 CE
@danielgibson8799
3 ай бұрын
4 Maccabees should also probably be mentioned. It’s from around 25 CE.
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
The Nt authors quoted and used the book. It was even influental on painting their view of the Messiah.😂
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian its new for many who not get told the truth by their pastors or bishops. the book is now also "the word of God" and it even more confirms, that most of the Jesus story is a fable 😂
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian in which of the many canons? the Nt authors quoted and used that book like they quoted the "books of Moses". So they are all "Gods word"😂 this shows how they just cherry picked what fit in their story about Jesus and what not and how Xtians today do the same.
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
@Bible-Christian which of the many canons? And you mean what the church did and the Nt authors used that book like they used the book of Moses and Church fathers used that book too and there was no fixed canon until the 4th century or even much later until Luther 😂
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
The Book of Enoch was considered as scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas (16:4)[28] and by many of the early Church Fathers, such as Athenagoras,[29] Clement of Alexandria,[30] Irenaeus[31] and Tertullian
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
They too: Justin Martyr, Minucius Felix, Irenaeus, Origen, Cyprian, Hippolytus, Commodianus, Lactantius and Cassian
@Isovapor
3 ай бұрын
Please do a review of Cinderella and King Arthur next since you are reviewing fictional writings. Both Cinderella and King Arthur have magical stories you should cover with all of your Iron Age fictional knowledge. Can’t wait! Cheers!
@johnrichardson7629
3 ай бұрын
The Book of Enough is Enough
@michaelbell2492
3 ай бұрын
The Hermeneia and Yale commentaries are so stinking expensive. I did recently get the Yale commentary on Daniel for $7, brand new. *The Apocalyptic Imagination* by Collins is thankfully affordable. I just picked that up.
@KenDay
3 ай бұрын
Thank you Dan.
@roberthunter6927
3 ай бұрын
Love the explanations. How do you get people to accept Canon? With cannon! :-)
@BradyPostma
3 ай бұрын
There's a video game called _El Shaddai_ that is an anime retelling of 1 Enoch. Read that sentence again and tell me that doesn't sound fascinating!
@anathamon
2 ай бұрын
cool video
@angelonzuji2457
3 ай бұрын
I like the book of Enoch, it actually helped me to understand better the New Testament. And it is a fascinating book. However, it is not really sure that the book of Enoch is an elaboration of Genesis 6. According to Thomas Romer, it is possible that this story is a fruit of a common tradition that has been taken up bc that story of angels going after females in Genesis 6 when you read carefuly looks like a fragment. It it interrupts the story of the flood. I don’t Dan, if you are aware of that hypothesis. Thank you anyway for these precious informations 🙂
@14Sciteach
3 ай бұрын
So...one of the reasons Enoch was excluded from the canon was because of conflicting details in retelling of the same supposedly historical events. Conflicting details...in the same story...Hmm...where have I seen that before? Oh yes! The 4 gospels.
@Elix10
3 ай бұрын
It also gave us a kick ass video game (el shaddai ascension of metatron)
@dethspud
3 ай бұрын
An early answer to the problem of evil? Not a great answer. No wonder most apologists don't use it much anymore.
@pmaitrasm
2 ай бұрын
Many scholars place Genesis between 10th and 5th Centuries BC, and if Enoch is 3rd or 4th Century BC, then one wonders why Genesis references Enoch.
@i.d.8347
3 ай бұрын
How do we know the dates these would have been written?
@johnbenya9558
2 ай бұрын
How about a video on the Gospel of Judas?
@jamescampbell8482
3 ай бұрын
Hello Mr. McClellan, what do you make of the claim by some scholars that there is a missing copy that is complete of Enoch from the dead sea scrolls in Aramac? To me it seems we don't actually need a copy of the parables to confirm a pre-existing son of man tradition, because we have the book of Daniel itself, combined with the later Metatron tradition that basically contains all the embryology of translation of human to angelic figure, and we have that in rabbinic literature. Not that it wouldn't be cool to find a copy that is pre-first century that has the parables in it, it absolutely would be amazing .
@Shugamri
3 ай бұрын
Regarding Metatron, I've been of the personal opinion that, since Enoch-as-Metatron appeared roughly somewhere between the 2nd and 6th centuries CE, it was an attempted Rabbinical Jewish answer to the bitheism/developing trinitarianism of Early Christianity. Like, trying to give post Second Temple Jews who were open to a bitheistic conception of God and Heaven a "kosher", rabbinically approved ersatz Jesus to sit at the right hand of God?
@kenhilker2507
2 ай бұрын
Can you similarly cover 1-2 Esdras?
@komlat253
2 ай бұрын
was alwasy under the impression that 1st enock was mostly ok since it would have been before the more the mixing of ideas from the Hellenistic and Talmudic period but my only criticism i ever had of this was how would they know ? it mekes sense how the early catholic church would be skeptical of the gospal of thoams or 3rd peter . even it be doubtful of jude as these would have already been in there time to watch them being circulated but like Genuses and Job are also both standing at the start of civilization but these are not qustion in the same way . sure u can say Moses wrote it but that's still far before his time Job is literally after the flood .idk i dont think the universal chuch was really working with the kinda of tools to really be asking questions like that
@AaronWilkerson
3 ай бұрын
They suspected Enoch couldn't have survived the Flood, but the Torah could? I suppose they could claim Hilkiah found it later, but that doesn't really answer the question of surviving the Deluge, and Josiah was presented with Deuteronomy, not the entire Torah, right?
@jessebumann
3 ай бұрын
I dont think he accurately portrays how early Christians and mainstream Judaism thought of 1 Enoch. It seems like the early apologists consistently thought of 1 Enoch as pseudographical. And while the Dead Sea Scrolls are immensely valuable to our understanding of the translation and canon of the OT, at the end of the day the Essenes were more of a cult, so it’s not likely that mainstream Judaism accepted 1 Enoch as canon. I’m not sure what the early applogist stance is on the Torah’s composition, I know the tradition is that Moses wrote the whole thing. But I’ve heard a more likely explanation that Moses facilitated the passing along of oral tradition regarding Genesis, and Joshua likely acted as scribe. Again, I’m not sure if, say, Eusibius held that view, but it explains how the Torah survived the deluge. Plus, as Inspiring Philosophy pointed out, 1 Enoch bears some tells of Greek influence, which could further explain how the early church fathers came to the conclusion that 1 Enoch is not Scripture.
@tsemayekekema2918
3 ай бұрын
@@jessebumannmost early church fathers did in fact endorse Enoch
@tsemayekekema2918
3 ай бұрын
The Torah was understood as an incarnation of YHWH's essence that was in heaven before being given to Moses-how is the Flood in any way relevant?
@bradleyadams9430
3 ай бұрын
"She makes everyone shoes"! Did I spiol the ending? NOT SORRY!
@rimmersbryggeri
Ай бұрын
Interesting. I actually had an ethiopian bible for a couple of years but I passed it on to somebody who can actually read it. My amharic is not up to much.
@GamingDrummer89
3 ай бұрын
What's your take on the Hermeneia series as a whole?
@Spark_Horizion
3 ай бұрын
I have a question did the early Christian church do temple worship?
@andrewsuryali8540
3 ай бұрын
Huh? Yes. It's literally in the Bible. Acts 21:18-30 makes it clear that early Jerusalem Church led by James were worshipping in the Temple. Even Paul joined in despite his own opinions on Temple worship.
@SavvySavant
2 ай бұрын
0:54 Why is the book of Enoch considered to be "fan fiction" while the Genesis account itself isn't. Which is about a literal talking snake manipulating a human being into eating a literal fruit that caused her death and cursed all her progeny? All of it sounds fantastical. Who decided this?...
@jpyoung5137
2 ай бұрын
Being "fan fiction" of a work doesn't imply in any way that the original work was factual. There is plenty of "fan fiction" for Harry Potter. It's just saying that it is a derivative work, by a different author, based on the characters and settings from an earlier work.
@SavvySavant
2 ай бұрын
@@jpyoung5137 Got it 👍🏼.
@BaneClandestine
3 ай бұрын
Sirach is a much more interesting book for its socio-political implications.
@ShunM-vr6mt
3 ай бұрын
Hey Dan, quick question. Modern science and archeology has long established the fact that Noah did not exist and was a rip-off of Utnapishtim. It has also disproven an exodus at all and clearly indicates that the Israelites were Canaanites. Now let us say that God allowed such stories to exist within the bible to convey a deeper meaning. Then why did Jesus consider Noah to be a historical figure? He talks of him that way. The same thing with Moses, who is understood to be a literary creation for a founding myth. The same thing with Adam and Eve. All of them are spoken in a historical sense. I'm kinda freaking out cuz of this whole identity crisis I'm having and any help would be appreciated
@hardwork8395
3 ай бұрын
What’s your crisis about? Dan doesn’t answer questions unless it’s livestreams, so attend those. The answers you seek depend on what you accept as evidence. I’ll tell you though, that the anonymous Greeks who wrote those Jesus stories in the gospel were educated in literary traditions that flourished by rewriting familiar stories and giving new twists in them; think of what Ovid wove versus Homer versus Virgil, etc. The gospels fit the writing style and mostly fit into the genres of the Greco-Roman elites, who were educated enough to write such prose. Most people couldn’t write, and of those few who could, fewer still could write as well as to compose and recompose the stories that you find in the gospels. It was commonplace to put words into the mouths of the people they wrote stories about-and Jesus was no exception. I could give a few well-known examples, if you’d like. But that’s what we are dealing with here. The stories of Jesus were like any other fables of the period. No need to freak out. No need to think you actually know what Jesus thought or said about Adam or Noah-we don’t know he said those things. We know a character said those things. That’s it.
@ShunM-vr6mt
3 ай бұрын
@@hardwork8395 Can you give me some examples. Thanks!
@hardwork8395
3 ай бұрын
@@ShunM-vr6mt Mark 16:9-20 long/short ending of Mark John 7:53-8:11 Woman taken in adultery These are two well-known examples, textually attested in manuscript evidence, and accepted by most scholars-including many evangelical ones. So we turn to my statement that common practice amongst those versed in literary techniques of the day, did as they were taught in their writing education-they reworked material and put well-crafted words into the mouths of their protagonists: Socrates, Alexander the Great, Jesus, ahistorical characters, too. Oxford reference says that (Herodotus and Thucydides) “By including (i.e. inventing) speeches at all, both historians were copying Homer, and Thucydides' very difficult speeches resemble Homer's in that their style is different from the narrative.” There are other sayings of Jesus that are clearly riffing off popular cultural and philosophical themes and characters from Greco-Roman culture; and it makes sense, as the writers (like we are now) are largely a product of their times, so the writing reflects those themes, which is partly why some of the material is dated; it doesn’t age well-sorry to all you Christians that think it’s timeless! They did this to Paul, too, by the way. There are clear places we know from the manuscript evidence that he never says certain things. So, even though Paul was a real person and we have his actual , personal thoughts and writings-unlike Jesus…the editors of the Canonical New Testament still changed and added sayings because that was the rule-not the exception.
@hardwork8395
3 ай бұрын
@@ShunM-vr6mt I will note that most people accept that Matthew, Luke, and John are reworking certain stories told in Mark. These people are flat out plagiarizing ( in our terms), word-for-word lines and SECTIONS from Mark-which seems to contradict that the other 3 are merely an eyewitness recounting-they are COPYING TEXT they have in front of them. And when they vary, it’s very clear they are making editorial decisions to add or leave stuff out from Mark. So this brings us back to my point, that this is yet another witness to the point I’ve been making: the people involved in the copying and editing process of the Markan material they plagiarized in the other gospel accounts, are rehashing and reworking the material as they were taught, and sometimes that means, for example, on making their characters say more pro-Roman stuff because they have some agenda. The book of revelation loved to rework Daniel and other texts. This rabbit hole is deep. But these guys were predictable writers. And even more so because there were even fewer still qualified back then to teach the skill, let alone having the opportunity to-or having been forced to; and having such a fraction of the pool of available writers being qualified and able to teach, leads to a tiny in-group of people who taught extremely similarly, having been trained by many of the same people themselves.
@hardwork8395
3 ай бұрын
So, there’s much more, and more complicated arguments and this isn’t the forum for it. My personal take is that the gospels are just the window dressing; they are just the stage to dress up what they likely only had from Jesus: precious few legitimate, unsophisticated and un philosophical (to the elite greco-romans) sayings. They situated certain things to point to him as being certain important cultural archetypes that these people would respect and recognize, and that also made him more approachable; they left exotic details in the stories to give it the feel and necessary foreignness to keep it fresh and interesting to certain classes of people bored of classics and contemporary thought. They were also pushing some boundaries of writing genre.
@gawagai
3 ай бұрын
Who’s here because of Kendrick Lamar? 😂
@saturnhex9855
3 ай бұрын
When did Kendrick mention Enoch? or do you mean when he mentions Metatron?
@gawagai
3 ай бұрын
@@saturnhex9855 because he called one of his sons Enoch. He’s also referenced in Mr Morale.
@2023betterresearch
3 ай бұрын
You say Ee-nuck but I say Ee-knock
@bubbles581
3 ай бұрын
He says it both ways in different videos I think. E-nik is the typical Mormon pronunciation but most others say E-nok
@2023betterresearch
3 ай бұрын
@@bubbles581 Ok thanks!
@chumpchangechamp3643
3 ай бұрын
The character ENOCH is the representation of the concept of "enough". In human psychology this concept is of utmost importance because "enough" is when things change. There are two kinds of enough, as presented in Genesis, there is enough from pain, (Cain), And there is enough from abundance. Understanding that "enough is a feast" is probably the more important teachings of the Bible. But hey, I'm crazy because the Bible is really a historical account, or is it?..... It''s a shame that people have made a complete mockery of the narrative. To see it as a historical account is to misunderstand it. One day people will have the courage to realize what this book is talking about. So far I have seen absolutely no indication that Dan has come to understand even a single line from the book. Yes he knows what the words are, but he hasn't caught on to the meaning yet. He is stuck in the academic consensus.
@joeaustin2919
3 ай бұрын
What is the book of Thomas about please?
@jamesarnette1394
3 ай бұрын
As I understand it, the Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic Gospel that was found to be heretical and therefore not included in the new testament. As I have been told, the contents of the Gospel of Thomas are nothing but quotations of Jesus's words.
@JopJio
3 ай бұрын
@@jamesarnette1394 the gospel of Thomas is not gnostic. And the church found it to be heretical. Well, the book of Thomas was used by many Christians too and others rejected the books of our NT. So it doesn't mean anything.
@patrickwilliams3108
3 ай бұрын
Are you asking about the Gospel According to Thomas, or the Infancy Gospel of Thomas? Two very different books.
@user-ml5zu6ph9q
3 ай бұрын
Yea I have those, but it still could be historical bro. Gotta have faith. Maybe some dude found out what really happened to Enoch back in the early days haha
@JACE_75
3 ай бұрын
Interesting, what religions pre dated Christianity & Judaism?
@funkatron101
3 ай бұрын
The Canaanite pantheon, Yahwism (both of which become infused with Judaism), Zoroastrianism, Hinduism off the top of my head.
@olddoggeleventy2718
3 ай бұрын
Enoch Enoch?... Enoch Enoch who? You're not tithing Enoch for me to pay for my BMW and Lear Jet.
@eliashash7644
3 ай бұрын
2:10 is Noah albino ?
@HandofOmega
3 ай бұрын
I doubt he really existed, but the condition of albinism would have been noticed by that point, and maybe even made out to be some sort of augury of good/bad fortune (depending on the culture). People telling stories most likely saw or just heard about such conditions, and thought they'd be a good element to add in, similar to Jesus sweating blood-like sweat in the garden, which is also a real, if rare, condition.
@victortitimas6904
3 ай бұрын
So... no blood drinking giants?
@GoemonLovesFujiko
3 ай бұрын
Yes. Very much blood drinking giants.
@treystevenson9872
3 ай бұрын
One can fully understand the teachings of the New Testament without anything added to the Holy Bible because: 2nd Timothy 3.16-17, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” Revelation 22:18-19, “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
@panaceasolutions5031
Ай бұрын
Here 4:17, the Septuagint never contained the Book of Enoch, it wasn't certainly brought by the Syrian monks in the 4th Century! There is literally not one evidence to suggest the book was even brought to Ethiopia, on the contrary they seem to indicate that they originated there. And also here 4:58, how do you know that Genesis came before Enoch? If anything the book claims to have been written by Enoch who existed before the Torah, is the book lying? If so, why does Jude quote from it, wouldn't that make Jude a lie too? Not to mention the many parelles that exist within the NT. On what grounds did u claim for Genesis to be older?
@Alex_Mitchell
Күн бұрын
"On what grounds did u claim for Genesis to be older?" Let me quote Dan here: "Data".
@panaceasolutions5031
Күн бұрын
@@Alex_Mitchell Which data?
@billcovington5836
2 ай бұрын
Why trust Mormon scholarship. He will only divide those who trust that Jesus is the Eternal, Almighty, Resurrected Creator, from those who need an excuse to swallow and follow the ‘has God said’ cult or clan.
@chumpchangechamp3643
3 ай бұрын
Maybe I'm being too critical of Dan, I suppose he really isn't trying to explain his thoughts or beliefs but he is reporting the consensus and the academic view points. I liked the video I just wish he would stop saying the Bible has no inherent meaning just because he himself hasn't found the meaning yet. With all logic it makes no sense to say because one can't deny that there were authors, so therefore there is a meaning. It's like thinking the words in the Bible belong to everyone, but they only belong to the authors. Just because we can't ask them doesn't mean we just assume it means nothing. It would be interesting if Dan said to Stephen King, "there is no inherent meaning in your stories, it means whatever people wish it to mean" I don' think Stephen would agree.
@tsemayekekema2918
3 ай бұрын
Nothing is too nonsensical to be said once liberal politics is being defended
@ErraticFaith
3 ай бұрын
The Bible is meaningless garbage. Now go away and do something meaningful with what remains of your short, pathetic existence.
@phoenix21studios
3 ай бұрын
People are making response videos to you about other topics and are DEEPLY embarrassing you.
@loomiere-gs1qc
3 ай бұрын
any of them are scholars?
@phoenix21studios
3 ай бұрын
@@loomiere-gs1qc Their scholar status feels irrelevant when they debate better than him. But if ad hominem is your thing, keep on truckin' I guess.
@Fromage4972
3 ай бұрын
@@phoenix21studios "Debate better then him" . That's a very subjective statement. I mean, that's great if you like them and their arguments better than Dan's but to say they are "DEEPLY embarrassing [Dan]", again is a very subjective statement. One would therefore turn to expertise in some manner to see if the "debater" had special knowledge about the subject. So Loomiere's question is quite valid I think.
@loomiere-gs1qc
3 ай бұрын
@@phoenix21studios That's not how the adult world works. And at no moment i intended to 'ad hominem' anyone. I was asking a genuine question. See...? Talking, even parrots can do. I couldn't care less for "who debates better" If you think "who debates better" is the point of what Dan do you're already lost intellectually. Do medical doctors need to answer any yapping of any rando on youtube about the dangers of vaccines?? No.That's not how the world of grown ups work. Academical debate is done between academics. And actual data is what matters. I've seen some of the vids responding to some of Dan's videos but none of them "humiliate" anyone. Some of them where attacking him personally. Some of were genuinely trying to fight for their faith. He even graciously made a few responses to a few of them. He doesn't NEED to make a video for every schmuck with a 2 dollar prayer book and a middle/high school diploma and a cam, who thinks they know better than a scholar on a particular subject tho. Anyway... cheers. 🤷♀
@Dice_roller
3 ай бұрын
@@phoenix21studiosYeah, just zip it. McClellan is simply telling factual information and hypotheses in regard to biblical literature that is amid the scholarly cónsénsus; it does not matter what some random person who has no scholarly knowledge or experience thinks in comparison and specifically in an antagonistic approach toward him. If anything, I boldly avow that I believe that you are only saying this due to a rhetorical goal of yours that is meant to preserve some sort of dogma that is threatened in some manner.
@ErraticFaith
3 ай бұрын
Just have to wait for Shamounian's next video upload insulting Dan's video (as usual) and the great game of religious ping-pong can continue.
@user-pm3mw8xw8d
3 ай бұрын
Yes, fan fiction. Finally someone said it. Know what else is fan fiction? The Book of Mormon. You should do a piece on that too.
@GoemonLovesFujiko
3 ай бұрын
The book of the watchers harmonizes perfectly. The early Christian’s and second temple Jews certainly believed in the sins of the angels in the antediluvian age.
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