It's worth saying that if you are purely interested in playing bass trombone in orchestral music, you can get away with a single valve. I used to play a double trigger Elkart (Chinese made) bass trombone, which was ok but not great. When it was time to upgrade I went for a secondhand single-trigger Bach 50B, which saved a lot of money from not buying a double trigger while being a massive step up in sound quality. I can't say I missed the 2nd trigger because it's almost never required in orchestral repertoire (I think according to Doug Yeo, something like 97% of orchestral music requires the 2nd trigger). Of course, stuff like big band/ wind band music can be a different story, so for those who want to keep their options open the 2nd valve is very useful.
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
I don't disagree about the orchestral rep, but to ONLY play that would be very limiting.
@ckeilah
3 жыл бұрын
I think I paid about 1300 for my brand new Bach B3. The store had been hanging onto it for years, hoping someone would buy it, so I made the owner an offer he couldn’t refuse. 😁
@sammchenry7579
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Aidan! Euphonium player here with my two cents about the matter: 1. I got thrown on bass trombone for jazz band here at my university last year, and was using the school’s Getzen Thayer bass. When covid hit I had to return it because I was sharing it with an actual bass trombone primary. I didn’t want to lose my spot when we returned so I almost bought a MACK bass, but ended up getting a used Getzen 1062FD for like $1000 more. If there’s anyone in my shoes I would highly recommend going for something like the 1062FD or similar instruments. It gets the job done, and since it’s a Getzen I can use any Edwards parts for it. Since I could swap out leadpipes I got an Edwards B1 that instantly improved the response and tone quality. What I’m getting at is everyone who gets a Jinbao horn like that and keeps it for a long time almost always gets a new leadpipe put in, which just increases the cost like you said (and rarely actually does much for the resale value). 2. As for getting a single valve for your first instrument, I would also steer away from it, especially for jazz. Most of the stuff we play in our band always has a low C or B in places where I wouldn’t be able to pull out for E practically. Great video as always!
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree- the price range around $2400 ish is the sweet spot. This video is only about the very bottom of the market.
@connorwaterman9754
3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Chinese bass to dip my toes in with for $850. It played reasonably well and served me fine for almost a year. I managed to resell for $900 bc of some work I had done on it. They're not the WORST option
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
That's surprising! I base my findings off of what I see in the marketplaces... people unable to sell their Chinese horns for long periods. They're definitely an option, just counting resale only they get a big black mark for most people.
@matthewfarquhar6962
Ай бұрын
I got a schiller for $700 on the website, other than some sharp edges causing some rough slide bites and the 2nd valve rubbing on my neck, it seems like a pretty good horn. Its also the first and only bass I've played.
@erniearruda8861
3 жыл бұрын
It all depends of what music genre you are going to study and play,on what type of bass trombone you want to get.For example for me I like to march and play good march repotoire, and for marching purposes, you want a single rotor bass like a Yamaha,conn or Bach.for two reasons ,one weight- trust me that left arm will suffer extreme fatigue and pain from holding and marching without in the playing position on a 90 degree bend while your right arm is swinging back and forth. And second reason written music is mostly in the staff and slightly bellow to a low A, and not to many black notes, playing along with the tubas.For me that’s all I need is just a single trigger bass.Concerts I do tuba( my main horn) and marching I do bass trombone.
@GTN3
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aidan! Is the Jinbao a very thin and light weight horn? I bought my daughter an Eastar tenor trombone just to see how bad it was. Yes, bad. Seemed very thin gauge brass tubing etc. Fortunate for me, the trombone had so much corrosion and scouring slide that I was able to send it back without it costing me. So now I know!
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
They can just be all over the place. Usually, yes, too thin or just not well built.
@Juan_Bone09
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Jinbao and Is like a chinese copy of the old Yamaha YSL 354 Is not to lightweight but is good for begginers But if your student is a bit advanced i Will recommend You a Conn Director, King 606, Yamaha YSL 354, Getzen 351 or a Bach TB300(301) Or if your student need an f attachment horn You can get Conn 50H, Yamaha YSL 446 (448) or a King 607(608) Or You can get a used pro horn Like Yamaha YSL 640, 646 Or Bach 36B
@keithshockley3443
3 жыл бұрын
You can get special custom made Michael Rath models but, they will set you back a lot. I am not trying to cause a disparity or huge debate. Just to acknowledge the fact that you have options. If I were buying a bass trombone for myself and to practice with or double, I would go for the ones under $1000.
@1_2_Many_Projects
3 жыл бұрын
My jupiter xo1240 was 2800 new (floor model) and it’s been a monster
@mondotrombo7167
3 жыл бұрын
i got one for 2300
@bobjacobson858
Жыл бұрын
I have bought 11 different brass instruments, ranging from cornets to tubas, on the used market, with one exception. I have had good luck with the used ones, so I suggest buying a good brand, and it especially helps if it has been serviced by someone having experience with that type of instrument. I don't have a bass trombone, but I have a Conn tenor I bought a couple years ago for $120 off eBay. DON'T buy an instrument from Sai Musicals (located in Meerut, UP, India)--I have a euphonium that's awkward to play with sticky valves, and I met someone who had a Bb (NOT BBb) sousaphone that was grossly out of tune.
@ckeilah
3 жыл бұрын
Life’s too short for cheap trombones or cheap booze...cheap floozies, on the other hand... 😋
@iMav_
8 ай бұрын
Are not the John Packers, ACB Doublers, and Thomann stencils of the world manufactured by Ovis Company in Tianjin, China? It has been my experience that these are a "step above" the thin metal, Jinbao offerings.
@AidanRitchie
8 ай бұрын
Yes, those are a different make. I didn't know the origination of them though
@zhiyaxue5064
6 ай бұрын
Jp rath, thomann: ovis Acb John packer: jinbao Just for bassbones Ridiculously overpriced models like rxxh r9x0,jp rath,Hoyers,cxxrtxxs 5x2 are basically just the same thing with some modification Thomann is the original design of the ovis company (design mainly from ybl-830)
@fluteskrillex78
3 жыл бұрын
I recently switched to bass trombone from tenor, and I bought a new Roy Benson BT-260 for 1,160ish USD, and tbh it's Chinese and it has quite a bit of cosmetic defects not very noticeable at first glance but it plays really well and the slide is too. I took apart the rotors and oiled them and everything to get the shape in playing condition but in the states that's something you can take to a tech to fix. After all of that the instrument plays really well! If you would like I can send you videos and pictures. Btw it might be cheaper in usd since I bought it in Mexico and the conversion might be slightly so it's basically a bass trombone for less than 1k
@jonathangoodwin2568
3 жыл бұрын
I bought a coppergate bass for $350 brand new from gear4music.com. It is a dual independent mechanical rotor copy of a king 7b. I have owned it for over a year and never have had any mechanical issues like rotors sticking or slides sticking.
@jonathangoodwin2568
3 жыл бұрын
I also own an alto from gear4music.com that cost $150 new.
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
They're not bad, sometimes. But the odds of it working for this long are pretty slim overall! If you get an instrument for that price point and it works... then it's probably worth the money. For me, it's probably not up to my standards.
@jonathangoodwin2568
3 жыл бұрын
@@AidanRitchie I mainly just used it for the community band. When I joined I just had my king 606 tenor but we needed a bass player because we had 9 tenors. I used a school bach 50b3 until someone else needed it for concert band. Worked very well for what I paid after I bought a denis wick mouthpiece.
@matthewgeorge8273
3 жыл бұрын
The cheap Wessex bass trombone is $995. They also have a unique design which was done in colaboration with Chris Stearn for $1,780. I've not played either of them though, so I can't comment on sound/quality.
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
I've played the nice Wessex for like... 10 seconds at NAMM. But not the cheaper one!
@matthewgeorge8273
3 жыл бұрын
By the way here's a video of Charlie Vernon playing the Wessex PBF565 (the colaboration with Chris Stearn): kzitem.info/news/bejne/qXhvuJONsGR1l3o&feature=emb_title
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewgeorge8273 I've seen it! Not Charlie's best playing, IMO.
@stevenwhalen5133
3 жыл бұрын
I have owned the cheap one by wessex for over a year and really enjoy it, it has some weird intonation things but paired with a bach 1G has a very good tone
@150drei9
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanx for your helpful video. Could you please - at some occation - explain or demonstrate the differences in design and sound between a single attachment bass bone and a big bore tenor bone with f-attachment?
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@christopherdwane2844
3 жыл бұрын
I guess to summerise, the differences are going to be in size of bell flare and bore diameter. In terms of playable range, they are going to be exactly the same (most orchestral bass trombone repertoire is entirely playable on a single valve tenor, and arguably for some older stuff it is more suitable). The difference will be in the bass trombone sounding louder and wider on the low notes, but less focused in the high register.
@keithshockley3443
3 жыл бұрын
I would say that some good beginner or student level bass trombones are Brand’s such as Suerte (found this brand on Amazon dot com) conn, jp (John Packer) rath, conn (they’ll last you all the way from middle school and high school), etc. The Suerte are inexpensive Chinese trombones that are in the $500 - $700+ range.
@StephenWhimple
3 жыл бұрын
Great Video!!
@aidanlanterman3755
2 жыл бұрын
Hey! Love the video, but I was also wondering what horn that is in the background? It looks extrodinary
@AidanRitchie
2 жыл бұрын
That's my contra!
@aidanlanterman3755
2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanRitchie oh wow! It looks different then most contras I've seen, that's why I asked, pretty horn!
@Bodybuilding_Brian
3 жыл бұрын
I got a used Bach 50AF3G for 2k works pretty well
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
Good price!
@camshaun_05
3 жыл бұрын
mine was 600😬😂
@clevelandantwine8985
3 жыл бұрын
I gotta get a bass trombone i cant play the student horn nor the tennor trombone my amberture done changed i guess i have to get a bass scence the mouth piece is bigger
@trevor3187
2 жыл бұрын
If yours is silver. I think we have the same exact one
@svanman74
3 жыл бұрын
buy a plastic one
@jackburrows5850
3 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention both your undergrad and grad degrees were on full scholarship.
@AidanRitchie
3 жыл бұрын
That did help!
@colinmarrin8236
3 жыл бұрын
First
@Bob94390
Жыл бұрын
Much blah blah
@AidanRitchie
Жыл бұрын
Hmm?
@TbonerMusic
3 жыл бұрын
Question: How do you play double peddle Bb with false tones? Great Video!
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