The Core 4 should have been broken up after the Montreal series. It’s mind boggling that we keep trying to run it back with the same group for 6+ years hoping for a different result.
@vt1340
Ай бұрын
100%
@ginor8416
Ай бұрын
Leafsanity
@DeletedUser015
Ай бұрын
I don't think marner being scared to take a hit is a coaching problem. His style is perimeter, he would have to play an entirely different way... a new coach isn't fixing 26 years of training
@iandavis594
Ай бұрын
Sounds like your solution is an annual coaching change.
@4.0.7.7
Ай бұрын
How is this a debate? People get so caught up in focusing on the player itself. The Leafs need CHANGE. It’s insanity to keep running this back. The fact that I need to explain this at all is utterly alarming.
@user-xg8ig6zx5r
Ай бұрын
Not only running it back atm but even worse as Nylander and Matthews contracts went up a lot more then the cap went up!
@07foxmulder
Ай бұрын
It’s hard to make changes when Dubas handed out NTCs like they were candy.
@4.0.7.7
Ай бұрын
@@07foxmulder yup and that’s exactly why they should have started with his boss. It’s a complete joke Shanahan is still employed in that role by MLSE.
@07foxmulder
Ай бұрын
@@4.0.7.7 Can’t argue that. Unless the Leafs (miraculously) win the Cup this upcoming season, you gotta think this’ll be Shanahan’s last season….or hope.
@Firearcher4
Ай бұрын
I disagree
@weirb2
Ай бұрын
LOL!!Ya... run it back...again and again!!!
@scarbourgeoisie
Ай бұрын
The plan should be to trade him to the Bruins. Might be the only way the Leafs get by the Bruins in the playoffs.
@stevenmorrison5864
Ай бұрын
I argree with you
@Vindobse
Ай бұрын
There's only 3 guarantees in life death, taxes and former leafs players being clutch af in the playoffs
@HandShakeLineRespect
Ай бұрын
Babcock called him soft, Keefe called him sensitive. Trade him.
@Bbbbbvggtttttfcdeeww
Ай бұрын
No one will take him for that money
@stevenmorrison5864
Ай бұрын
@Bbbbbvggtttttfcde Boston
@gh4121-b5n
Ай бұрын
Stats calls him the leading point getter in the playoffs.
@craigharrison5406
Ай бұрын
I'm just hoping they let him walk after next year. All I care about at this point is getting that $11M in cap space back.
@Brydigan94
Ай бұрын
Can’t wait to see what Berube calls him 😂
@ThePalisky
Ай бұрын
The plan should have already been executed. He should have been traded last year when he didn't even have a M-NTC let alone a NMC
@Attix_Niche
Ай бұрын
And they should have traded for Noah Hanifin, who, as it turns out, was drafted immediately after Mitch Marner :D
@ThePalisky
Ай бұрын
@@Attix_Niche could have got him ++
@retired8123
Ай бұрын
Don't waste your energy on his situation...he wont agree to a trade and you can't afford to sign him for what he wants so let the season play out and fill that cap space with a free agent that fills a TEAM NEED ! ...for money that makes sense with the teams available cap space
@i.p.knightly149
Ай бұрын
It's not even about what Berube can do with him, they're not going to resign him for what he's asking, they need to get a return.
@joshuahawrylak6819
Ай бұрын
Banging the same drum every year.....
@cbi-ju5mi
Ай бұрын
Why are so many people saying trade him when Marner has a NMC?
@js09js09
Ай бұрын
Marner controls everything. Maple Leafs fans want him gone and have all of these fantasies about what they could get for him a trade. But Marner doesn't want to leave, so Maple Leafs fans are just going to have to accept that their fantasies won't come true.
@stupidas9466
Ай бұрын
"Maple Leaf fans want him gone…". No, a few loudmouth Maple Leaf fans with a social media platform that know nothing about hockey want him gone. There, fixed it for you.
@WW3_Soon
Ай бұрын
They’re still not set in goal because Woll is injury prone.
@Denimsmith2023
Ай бұрын
Can’t add Tanev, OEL, Domi with term and call them non-core. I’m stoked about what Berube will do
@PatrickWernham-rh3eu
Ай бұрын
I think it's clear they want to sign him but need to wait for Johnnys contract to come off the books first. I think they should trade him but I don't see that happening
@cdb989
Ай бұрын
I agree with everything you said. Give the coach a season to work with Marner, if he flakes out let him sign elsewhere.
@kavo588
Ай бұрын
Bringing in 33 year old OEL who played on the third pairing in Florida for 2.25m (we just paid him 3.5) and 34 year old Tanev is not bolstering and revamping any blue line. It’s a temporary bandaid for the top pairing to help Rielly and that’s about it.
@PatrickWernham-rh3eu
Ай бұрын
You're thinking way to logical for leafs management.
@jimlangdon1947
Ай бұрын
If the playoffs still don’t mean anything in Toronto - just keep Marner and the Core 4 playoff disappointments for another 8 years. If playoff success is a priority - why not trade Marner or only dress him for regular season games? 😀
@glimmo43
Ай бұрын
I could see Marner having a great year with the motivation of a new contract and Berube.
@cbenjamin9220
Ай бұрын
Marner always has good years......in the regular season
@mclovin_tnt5617
Ай бұрын
So run it back and lose him for nothing? Got it lmao
@sharky6128
Ай бұрын
I agree 1000%
@brianburke1152
Ай бұрын
OEL was terrible in Vancouver a few years ago and all were happy when he was somehow traded. But I understand he had a bounce back year with the Panthers... hope this works out, by am skeptical
@discoveryman59
Ай бұрын
The fans need to BOO this gut out of town! Its the fans paying the freight and management and the players seem to think the fans don't matter. As soon as the new GM re-signed Nylander I knew nothing was going to change, 11 mill and a no move! Do you see Nylander playing like a 11 million dollar player in the playoffs? Goal scoring is just a TINY part of what you have to do in the playoffs to win. Diving in front of shots, taking your man physicality, being hard on the man and the puck! Do you see ANY of that in Nylander? look at the way Aleksander Barkov played, the way Carter Verhaeghe, Sam Reinhart. No way do you get that type of play from Nylander!! WHY SIGN HIM????
@kavo588
Ай бұрын
I would HARDLY call that “revamping the blue line”
@duncanmac2195
Ай бұрын
I dont think you can have a specific plan there are too many variables. The Leafs have had crappy offers as teams are hoping they are ready to do another mind boggling stupid trade but what is his market right now? In the end I see Marner walking for nothing.
@profdave2861
Ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more - give Marner a chance under Berube. With a strong defensive group, the forwards can focus more on offence rather than having to constantly shore up last years weak D
@geraldbain9580
Ай бұрын
Heard marner's cap hit this year was 7.5
@waterh2o37
Ай бұрын
Dumbest thing ever, marner isn't worth 11 million, terrible decision to keep him, should of traded him last year without the clause. This team isn't anywhere close to the top teams. Shanny needs to be let go and this core four talk needs to stop
@machaveli4295
Ай бұрын
No changes, no results
@gordonbgraham
Ай бұрын
No changes? None?
@michaelhutz405
Ай бұрын
If the problem is that the Leafs want to move on from Marner and he has refused a trade and plans to ride out the season, then the solution is to bench him into oblivion. Make his life miserable until he drops the NTC. Works for both sides. Since he is gone anyway at the end of the season, he should be wanting to make a mark on a new team to justify a $12+ mil long term deal. Staying here, a hated player, with limited ice time is not in his best interests. From the leafs side they don't need him to make the playoffs, and certainly don't need him in the playoffs. And yes a trade will not be of equal value but how about one good 2nd line center ($5-6mil) and some draft picks which the leafs badly need.
@aaamm4010
Ай бұрын
They can make him a healthy scratch, he still gets paid now matter what, it's like scratching Reaves until the coach decides his time is up
@gh4121-b5n
Ай бұрын
Mathews will whine because he’s not getting any goals without Marner.
@Firearcher4
Ай бұрын
Washington kept running it back with Ovechkin for 11 years and then he won a cup!
@henryjaremek2644
Ай бұрын
Resign Marner , he is a Great Player
@user-xg8ig6zx5r
Ай бұрын
Trade Marner for Necas rights ,re-sign around 6m X7 and Kotkaniemi . Trade Kampf , Liljegren, Robertson, Timmins and get a good 3rd line center and 4th. 1st line Domi- Matthews- Necas , 2nd line Tavares- Kotkaniemi- Nylander. CAR tax is 11% lower then TML so Marner can sign for less and still make more in CAR.
@geoffvella8443
Ай бұрын
All this backtracking from rhe media about keeping Marner is perplexing. "Owe it to Craig Berube" - what does that even mean? You really want to run it back yet again?
@Attix_Niche
Ай бұрын
I hope he goes to free agency, because I'm curious what the real market is out there among the other teams for him, out of the maelstrom of Toronto, where everyone seems to get overpaid more often than not. In a place where all players can get endorsement deals... eyeroll.
@graphika73
Ай бұрын
Are they really gunna run it back AGAIN?!? Definition of insanity.
@robb412
Ай бұрын
For "Gods" sake, the coach can't change the physical nature of a player. Marner will forever be a soft perimeter play maker no matter who the coach is. Its delirious to think otherwise.
@GamerPastHisPrime
Ай бұрын
There are a handful of players in the league better than Marner. You likely aren't getting any of them back in a trade. So next year you have all this space if you trade him, and JT comes off the books, though you have to try and replace Marner's production, his PK and PP contributions... Or... you can keep him, you're getting a lot of space next year anyway, you have young players who should be taking a step and cost very little, and the guys we did bring in this year (while a bit older) at least signed with some term so we shouldn't have to worry about filling as many holes next offseason. A new coach may get Marner to play different, but ideally he gets everyone around him to play different. The Leafs forwards have had to improve defensively a lot over the last few years because our blue line was unreliable. We often to had to outscore our problems. Now with a more reliable blue line, the forwards can put the focus back on offense (although the defensive lessons and skillset doesn't just go away). Two or three years ago we'd win games 7-6, 6-3... perhaps now we can win 7-3, 6-2, etc. Also with perhaps Reilly and OEL (whether you love him or not) being able to stretch their legs a bit more we can finally see some production from our blueline for the first time in 20 years as well. I'm also cautiously optimistic about our goalies. If Woll can stay healthy, great, I've wanted Stolarz on the team for a while, and the idea of a hopefully healthy Matt Murray for league minimum is a nice fall back option.
@chuckwiseman3772
Ай бұрын
Trade Marner to the Florida Panther. We will finally have a chance to beat them in the playoffs.
@JohnHibbert-zz8ww
Ай бұрын
As much as I agree with all these core 4 comments, ovechkin didn’t win a cup all his career until recent so I mean, this team may prove people wrong, a strong lucky run could happen but I don’t see this team winning more than 1 cup if they even do 😆
@jasonmelendez5216
Ай бұрын
Trade him to Edmonton now and let him go far in the playoffs and then bring him back as Captain.
@GOODJMR
Ай бұрын
The Leafs didn't clinch a playoff spot until the end of the season last year. Marner was right. Start treating these guys like they are a team that doesn't know how to win in the playoffs.
@waynemclean1799
Ай бұрын
I hope they keep him. 😂
@metalroach437
Ай бұрын
IMO I would look to move on from Tavares over Marner, I know he has a NMC but if he doesnt waive it you put him on waivers or wait out the year and let him walk.
@johndesousa7379
Ай бұрын
Try to sign him for 6 million and when he says no let him walk.
@kylefricker8509
Ай бұрын
I like this team backend out Mariner should be signed to an extension he is worth 12 million if Scottie Barnes is Toronto basketball is making 60 million a season I like to see mariner get a 1000 points as a leaf and Matthew’s 800 plus goals
@gregkirby9059
Ай бұрын
TRADE MARNER NOW
@biffstrong1079
Ай бұрын
Dump him. Dump the salary. Dump him. Dump the salary. Leaf's still need a #1 defenseman. Oh yeah cause just changing the coach is enough. 10 frickking years. You do not owe it to anyone. This team is worse than last years team. Maybe much worse.
@aaamm4010
Ай бұрын
I don't know what the leafs are waiting for to make a decision in ref to Marner, it's you trade him or you keep him in my opinion he's a drama queen it's always about me i say trade him let's end all this speculation once and for all
@goblue1117
Ай бұрын
Tavares on LTIR, problem solved. There’s your extra cap space
@Dani-sm8jp
Ай бұрын
Ok, sure. Can you find 30 goals 70 points and a guy that goes to the net and takes a beating other than JT, Knies and Domi and those two don’t score barely 20. One more year of JT and then they have 10Mill cap space. JT is a true pro.
@BedwetterCDN
Ай бұрын
See if he can run a line. Give him the 3rd and make him earn that big check with his NEXT team.
@Firearcher4
Ай бұрын
The Marner plan should be resign him at 9 or 10 million and no more. I want Marner on Toronto. He makes the Leafs better. He is also a life time Leaf. He has market value and its high but I have my limit and 10 M would be it
@David-lp4gd
Ай бұрын
Marners got to go, unless the NHL is like the NFL and a player can reconstruct their contract.
@Rain.34.89
Ай бұрын
No Cup winner in the Cap era has had three forwards in the top 10 highest cap hits. The only team to try it has been the Leafs between the 2019-2020 and 2023-2024 seasons, and the results speak for themselves. An extension to Mitch will cripple the franchise, even with JT’s albatross contract off the books.
@deltagolavista1
Ай бұрын
Ahh yes, the +30 injury prone new guys on long term deals. Definitely pieces to build a blue line around. And don’t forget the career back-up and unproven sophomore in net.
@aaamm4010
Ай бұрын
Probably the leafs tried to trade Marner, is it possible that nobody wants him the asking price 12.5 x 8 i was the leafs bring him back for the final year and see what happens, let him prove that he deserves that kind of money
@gh4121-b5n
Ай бұрын
Nobody wants a top 10-15 player in the NHL? Two time First team All Star? Ya, you could be right, nobody would want that, which is why Shanahan gave William Bystander 11.5 for One 40 goal season.🤦♂️
@leebird76
Ай бұрын
Owe it to Berube ? They don't owe him anything, he has Mathews and Nylander and 1 year of Tavares. This team has been one of the worst managed in the cap era. And now it looks like more of the same for the next 4-8years if Marner resigns at his rumoured aav. And why is it a foregone conclusion Tavares is coming back? At this point running it back was not an option. What was Treliving brought in to do again?🤔
@brentschweitzer6626
Ай бұрын
The media pivot commences
@davidh1284
Ай бұрын
I promise you 100%. Marner will ride out his remaining year, then will not take a "hometown discount" despite claiming that he wants to stay in Toronto. He will walk as UFA, and Toronto will get nothing. I promise you all this will be reality.
@gordonbgraham
Ай бұрын
Toronto will get 10.5M in cap space to sign a Rantanev or Shesterkin...who are UFAs next July
@alterego7739
Ай бұрын
I hate the it's not about one player ....it isn't but it's all them together that dosent work. So let's move on
@nadaduo1765
Ай бұрын
6 x 11 but only a modified no movement with 16 teams, no raise because you're already making more then you deserve to begin with lol
@Miroslaw-rs8ip
Ай бұрын
In the corporate world if you perform poorly in 1 year most likely you’re fired and this squad of spoiled Leafs haven’t performed for many years and the dumb brain trust think a new coach will change things 🤦♂️
@cbi-ju5mi
Ай бұрын
Corporations have been known to get rid of a CEO when things aren’t working…just saying…
@pj8624
Ай бұрын
Marner must go!!! Wake up!!! Then bring in more fire power!! Do not go with the definition of insanity!! Core 4 must be broken up!! Marner is highly skilled but way to passive, and ineffective in playoffs!!
@wbj2000
Ай бұрын
Run it back... maybe it will be different this time. BRUTLE. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@sonrichard76
Ай бұрын
Tanev's good but, he's not "that" good, don't expect a whole lot.
@MatthewLavigueur
Ай бұрын
not to mention he's 34
@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556
Ай бұрын
@@MatthewLavigueur He will turn 35 in couple of months, and Leafs gave him a 6yr contract :DD
@vlun1215
Ай бұрын
don't trade through subtraction like the Oilers did with taylor hall ...
@bradleyhenry2411
Ай бұрын
I don't think anyone really won that trade. But the Oilers would rather have Larsson over Hall easily right now.
@ginor8416
Ай бұрын
Marner is a great kid but he’s a boat anchor in the playoffs. We lose guys like Bert, Hyman, Schenn, etc because they gotta pay Mitch to be a playoff ghost. Blame the guy who pays $1000 for nose bleeds in the first round, the owners can do as they please, winning is not an issue
@gordonbgraham
Ай бұрын
Hyman was with the Leafs for 7 years....the Leafs never won a round with him in the lineup. Bert had 1 goal in 7 playoff games with the Leafs. Schenn sat on his hands when his rookie got mugged vs Florida. Facts
@ginor8416
Ай бұрын
Well if you’re going to facts….but Zack did some damage this year
@gordonbgraham
Ай бұрын
@@ginor8416 Yeah, he did. He didn’t get past the 1st round in 7 years with Toronto. He found his niche taking shots off the shin pads from McDavid.
@Mitch-ui8ps
Ай бұрын
13 mill contract
@timespace2050
Ай бұрын
1 for 1 marner for draisaitl
@laboom60
Ай бұрын
Trade him. TML fans must be going insane. I feel for them.
@DeogiBuddy
Ай бұрын
Marner is not the problem He’s only part of the problem You will never win with this group Mathew’s is more the problem than Mitch
@cbenjamin9220
Ай бұрын
Its simple. If you keep baby mitch then you dont go deep in the playoffs. Hes literally an 11 million dollar anchor dragging the team down.
@baohoaily
Ай бұрын
Sign him for all the money! He's worth it!!!
@Petersson-yo7yn
Ай бұрын
He aint
@4.0.7.7
Ай бұрын
Found Paul’s burner account
@ChadNeveu
Ай бұрын
Marner is a really good player he just needs to man up and play in playoffs the way he plays in regular season
@4.0.7.7
Ай бұрын
@@ChadNeveu 8 playoffs isn’t enough evidence for you that he ain’t gonna change 🤨
@ChadNeveu
Ай бұрын
@@4.0.7.7 keefe kissed his ass new coach will definitely not kiss his ass he will ether play properly or get benched which is not in his better interest so I think our new coach will definitely make these guys play better but we will see
@user-tr4jj9pt7x
Ай бұрын
Start the season with him and trade him in January.
@cbi-ju5mi
Ай бұрын
What if he doesn’t want to go? He has the NMC and an agent that wants him to play out the contract 😢
@user-tr4jj9pt7x
Ай бұрын
@@cbi-ju5mi Sign and trade.
@cbi-ju5mi
Ай бұрын
@@user-tr4jj9pt7x again, would you not think he would want the NMC in the extension contract (unless he wants out)? His agent is not stupid. Why do him a favour with a max 8 yr term when he would only get 7 yr as UFA.
@user-tr4jj9pt7x
Ай бұрын
@@cbi-ju5mi YES, I GET IT. He has a NMC because a desperate GM way back when agreed to this clause and now "all the greats" have them. This isn't a new or unique circumstance. YES, it assumes that Marner's camp is in agreement. IF they are, try to get a deal done with a team that wants him, has cap space and that he's in agreement with INORDER to get something back before he becomes a UFA. He's a regular season player, let his stock rise again.
@andynak7672
Ай бұрын
Alright, so the Leafs will never get past the first round. Got it
@jeffwingrowich79
Ай бұрын
Horsepucky! Worst management in North American professional sports. The only way fans will get what they want, the cup, is if they hurt the Leafs in their pocket books. They simply do not care about putting together a winning team. Or if they do, then they simply do not have the brain power to accomplish it. Stick to pizza's and car sales guys!
@discoveryman59
Ай бұрын
BS!!! The Leafs should have NEVER signed Nylander! He should have been traded. Do any Leaf fans watch any hockey after the Leafs go out in the first round every year? I don't thing many do, if they did they would already know Nylander is paid 11 mill a year, do you really thing he could show up in the playoffs for a 16 to 28 game run and dive in front of shots, play hard on his man, hit and play tough man on man and score at over a point per game cuz thats what players like Barkov, Sam Bennett, Matthew Tkachuk, Carter Verhaeghe and the rest of the Panthers did. NO WAY Nylander, Marner, Matthews can do this, and the rest of the Leafs are just a bunch of scrubs. If all these big 4 losers are back the fans should BOO this organization right out of town!
@FKDame
Ай бұрын
none of those florida players were over a point per game you just listed
@discoveryman59
Ай бұрын
@@FKDame Get over yourself they were ALL right there, attack the messenger and ignore the message. What I stated is the absolute truth yet so called fans like you choose to bury your head in the sand and let this garage organization continue to suck.
@discoveryman59
Ай бұрын
@@FKDame They are all very close, funny thats the only thing to choose to answer? How do you defend these lousy players? 7 years of this garbage and you come back with "none of those florida players were over a point per game you just listed" What a JOKE!!!
@timw4369
Ай бұрын
Trade him for some grit. The leafa have none. One of the😊😊 softestt teams in the league by a mile.
@gordonbgraham
Ай бұрын
Nylander missed 3 playoff games.......................with a headache
@wnsbug
Ай бұрын
GET RID OF HIM FFS
@koltvskolt
Ай бұрын
“LeTs TrAdE aWaY OnE oF tHe BeSt PlAyErS iN tHe lEaGuE” the chances of winning a trade by giving away one of Canadas best wingers is very low. With the right team around him they can excel in the playoffs. This team is better off with Mitch Marner than without. If you’re complaining about cap space then wait for the captains contract to expire as that has proven to have hindered the leafs more than Mitch’s contract. Oh and Mitch has more playoff points than any leaf dating back to 2017. Ridiculous we are even talking about this as if it’s his fault solely they lose in the first round. It’s a TEAM game, and it’s not a video game. Throughout history trading away super stars for pieces rarely works out for that team.
@4.0.7.7
Ай бұрын
This is the single worst take I’ve ever seen on this topic. The absolute worst. There’s ZERO chance you are an actual Leafs fan. ITS NOT ABOUT WINNING THE TRADE. ITS ABOUT CHANGE AND ACCOUNTABILITY. It’s not about the PLAYER. Don’t get caught up in that narrative and think. What do we have to lose? Explain what we have to lose? There’s no upside of running it back. You must be mad. Either that or a Bruins fan. The absolute least the team can do is trade a core player away. That’s the BARE MINIMUM. There’s no team that takes advantage of their fans more than the Leafs.
@4.0.7.7
Ай бұрын
Oh and you seem to like to get lost in stats. How about Marner’s game 5,6,7 stats when we need him most. 21 games 1 goal 7 assists. He’s NOT even a big game player anyways.
@koltvskolt
Ай бұрын
@@4.0.7.7 winning the trade as in not getting a good enough return….. I don’t even know what that means of course you want to win the trade when we’re talking about an elite right handed playmaker; and accountability for what? Mitch leads ALL current leafs in playoff points and went into this year’s post season weeks after a high ankle sprain. What are we even talking about here? People think a specific or certain cap hit means “he’s the odd man out” when it reality that Tavares contract will go down as one of the worst in recent leafs history. Not trying to sound like a hypocrite though I also don’t think the lack of playoff success is solely on JT either but if we’re talking about accountability that contract is number 1 on my list and I don’t care who is to blame. Shanahan dubas or the player himself. Just my opinion but I think trading marner is a huge mistake with JT off the books next year
@koltvskolt
Ай бұрын
@@4.0.7.7 until he gets sent to Vegas or whomever and puts up 30 playoff points on the way to a cup? All hypotheticals. You can’t possibly know that. Sometimes maybe you just keep your best players just an idea
@Rain.34.89
Ай бұрын
Won’t win with this cap model. Keep him and lose. It’s that simple.
@user-nw7nu8wy2c
Ай бұрын
They don’t have the cap room to resign him so it’s time to trade him and see what they can get in return
@bikingD
Ай бұрын
Marner is small, heartless and horrible in the playoffs. He isn't worth a bag of pucks. Toronto media is hysterical 😂😂😂. Problem is no one wants him for his price tag.
@RodCalidge
Ай бұрын
Um, you know this guy is useless if you ever want to win a cup, right?
@gordonbgraham
Ай бұрын
Matthews?
@pasikaartinen2105
Ай бұрын
They will winn.. Finns win on february too!! Get finns on the team.
@pasikaartinen2105
Ай бұрын
Get more finns rhere😅
@mattm6580
Ай бұрын
Trade him to Vegas for Pietrangelo. Thatd be my plan. Hopefully Vegas is drunk enough to go along with it.
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