For those that play star rail: Yes, everything in this video applies! Their gacha system is identical to Genshin's (apart from the weapon banner for now, since only one weapon is on rate up instead of 2)
@sanjailic5910
Жыл бұрын
ok
@BugCatLove
Жыл бұрын
No it's not, HSR weapon banner is different than Genshin's 👀
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
@@BugCatLove right, forgot about that! fixed the comment :)
@wasphoney5931
Жыл бұрын
@@Vidmiloo honkai weapon banner also has a guarantee after losing 75/25
@lolsendhelppls1896
Жыл бұрын
@@BugCatLove could say not much, Hsr's wep banner only has one 50/50 while genshin's wep banner has 2 50/50s but true
@atomotron
Жыл бұрын
That's a lot of math, but there is a shorter version. When planning to get your 5-star, always expect to spend around 160 wishes to do it (counting from the last even 5-star). Yes, the video implies you can get it sooner, but you shouldn't be relying on that. IF you get it sooner, then just consider the remainder a deposit for your future pulls. That way you will make it easier for yourself and less frustrating if you miss an early 5-star.
@aooide
Жыл бұрын
True
@unidentifiedperson3532
Жыл бұрын
bro are you telling to not build pity?
@atomotron
Жыл бұрын
@@unidentifiedperson3532what that "build pity" is? If that's "using your primos on some random banner, just because you can't hold it", then yes, I say not to do it.
@tuba1452
Жыл бұрын
@@unidentifiedperson3532 building pity doesnt even bring any benefits, its just a "strategy" created by people who cant hold theirselves from pulling so they have an excuse to pull on a random banner
@sungvin
Жыл бұрын
@@unidentifiedperson3532 “build pity” is just nonsense, it’s not a thing. You ->earn
@privaundxd4745
Жыл бұрын
This guy is making my mind go blank with the probability.. Im ar 56 f2p and this was so much details my mind can't comprehend it in one go
@OrchidAlloy
5 ай бұрын
skill issue
@privaundxd4745
5 ай бұрын
@@OrchidAlloy might be 💀
@caseyimiller
Жыл бұрын
Hitting pity early in HSR, then going on to do it in Genshin, and even furthermore in HI3. ‘I completed the Hoyoly Trinity’
@caseyimiller
Жыл бұрын
Bless Seele, Yae, and HoT. Queens 😂
@baskey3723
Жыл бұрын
Kneel before durandal!!!
@Sahlokniir
Жыл бұрын
well hi3 is different to begin with, there is no 50/50 wich is such a blessing
@kitty-fx
Жыл бұрын
thank you so much for making this video! after losing my 50 50 to dehya, ive just been so disappointed and desparate to hit pity once again.. but since im an f2p.. the fear of not having enough primogems and time is really concerning edit: im at 40th rebuilt pity rn and hoping to get him at least before 60 😢 edit 2: I GOT KAZUHA AT 74TH PITY YAYYY
@gobeyondplusultra7
Жыл бұрын
I'm on the same situation as you! f2p and trying to rebuild my pity. Are you pulling for Kazuha or Alhaitham? Also I wish you all the luck and hopefully you get him soon!
@kitty-fx
Жыл бұрын
@@gobeyondplusultra7 im sorry to hear that. im pulling for kazuha. thank you mate! you too!! all the best ^^
@reethelemon
Жыл бұрын
same here! I pulled for kazuha last week and lost my 50/50 to dehya too! I was at 83 pity... hoping I can clutch this banner! wish the best of luck to you and everyone else who's still pulling!
@kitty-fx
Жыл бұрын
@@reethelemon i got my baby boi :D GOOD LUCK TO YOU TOO! don't lose hope you can do it! ^^
@reethelemon
Жыл бұрын
@@kitty-fx THANKS!!! I'll update if i succeed, or.... fail. HOPEFULLY SUCCEED!!
@tart804
Жыл бұрын
Early pity is a really sore point for me, as someone who constantly hits soft pity I have only gotten 2 earlies and that was a 5050 loss and a skyward blade on standard... meanwhile people around me are getting 5 stars at 4 pity double 5 stars e.t.c, although I do feel grateful for the number of 5050s I win, but a 35% chance of an early is way bigger than I thought!
@nyuuh
Жыл бұрын
IN terms of budget in total, yeah that would make a big difference, and i think (no calc done) is that even if the do lose the 50-50 early on and get to pity for the guaranteed, it's more likely better value since they got around 2 5 stars in 80-100 pulls intead of winning but doing it at 77 pulls. accumulatively, it matters - especially when you also use standard characters like mona, jean, and even more so with diluc (when reaching c4 he has a good powerbump) or Keqing. ah let's not discuss a certain C6 of reviving everyone... :)
@dice2030
Жыл бұрын
least u got an early. I never have gotten any
@tart804
Жыл бұрын
@@dice2030 good luck, hopefully you get one in the future and it's a 5050 win too :)
@ulyana_schen
Жыл бұрын
As someone who has gotten like four earlies two of which were losses (and one was a guaranteed event 5* so it couldn't be a loss), and lost six 50/50s out of eight I can say that... Well. I don't feel very lucky tbh.
@tart804
Жыл бұрын
@@didizeragod I'm so jealous this has never happened to me before... BUT IT KEEPS HAPPENING TO EVERYONE ELSE.... how....
@KratosAurionPlays
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely hit soft pity more than 65% of the time. My first time ever beating soft pity was the 1st raiden banner and I've been playing since xiao's release.
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that averages do not directly lead to results. It's more likely you start off with unlucky streaks of repeatedly hitting soft pity before you get lucky. In Genshin, this feeling is made even worse, since pity leaves you with less wishes, giving less immediate chances to balance out your rates with better luck. Lucky streaks are probabilistically inevitable, but nothing dictates when exactly they'll occur, other than bad luck pushing them further away. Hopefully your lucky streak comes soon :)
@KratosAurionPlays
Жыл бұрын
@Vidmiloo I've had some luck for sure but according to pity tracking sites I'm in the bottom half for overall luckiness despite being in the top 2% of wishing lifetime. I think my pity average is around 66?
@daisiq7741
Жыл бұрын
@@KratosAurionPlaysMy average pity is 81. you are lucky.
@kazuhaplayz
Жыл бұрын
I got eula since her first banner on 32 pity!!!!
@kovaketas8271
Жыл бұрын
@@KratosAurionPlays Mine's 57 but I guess i am really lucky because i've gotten multiple five stars in one ten pull. Also in the top 0.4 % of total pulls
@keno-o1484
Жыл бұрын
I had the first hand experience of a loosing pity from the standard banner. 😂 I thought I had a luck stat when I got Nahida after 20 pulls, so I tried burning my primo with Yoimiya only to get massively disappointed. 😂
@RieMUisthegoaT
Жыл бұрын
4:15 oh so that's why my first 5 stars on genshin and HSR were on 62 pity exactly. Kinda neat to see that the numbers mean something and not just a coincidence
@Zcorcher
Жыл бұрын
For me, I was saving for a character I didn't have yet. But when Kirara was released with Yoimiya, I wanted to pull for her hoping that I don't get a 5 star. but alas, I ended up pulling Yoimiya twice before I got Kirara. Then in the next banner, I missed my chance to pull for Heizou with whatever primos I had left 🙃 I'm skipping the current banner so that I can save up for Kokomi 🤞🤞
@txtp
Жыл бұрын
@@ZcorcherIt’s fate. Become a yoimiya main. /lh ofc
@ajjajajajjajajajaj
Жыл бұрын
my first 5 star was dehya on kazuhas banner and i was so confused bc i didnt know 50/50s were a thing
@Definitely-Not-Suspicious
7 ай бұрын
Damn, same. I got Nahida at 20 pity and then pulled her weapon in 4 pulls... tried to go for cloud retainer only for it to be a Qiqi. I'm scrambling for primos at this point
@Razgriz032
Жыл бұрын
For next video, I recommend damage calculation or artifact probability calculation
@bk-sl8ee
Жыл бұрын
Apparently there is more than probability for artifact rolls
@Drew-vv9ef
9 ай бұрын
I would say its slightly rigged coz def main stat is more common and 2/3 of the time its the set I don’t want
@sombraelerizo
Жыл бұрын
5:09 ''Only 2/3 5* will be those you want* Me, who has gotten 6 5* from the Limited banner, and has lost 5 of those in a row, 4 of them at soft pity. I'm still waiting for a character I like to break the curse.
@ssspike1696
Жыл бұрын
If you have lost 5 50/50s then you still have at least 4 5 stars you actually wanted so.
@sombraelerizo
Жыл бұрын
@ssspike1 Yeah, but it takes a huge toll on your primogems supply, specially as a fully F2P player.
@Sofisasam
Жыл бұрын
atleast you're not alone. Lost every 50/50 since 2.7 which are.. 6? Won my first 50/50 again after ages on baizuhs banner 💀
@ssspike1696
Жыл бұрын
@@sombraelerizo idk I’m not exactly f2p because Ive spent a little bit on the game but I have also lost 2 50/50s so far. My first ever 5 star pull on a limited banner was Ayakas and I lost the 50/50. I also completely quit the game after that but I did come back recently and got her but then I lost ganyus 50/50 😂.
@Vik_the_soulless
Жыл бұрын
speaking of unlucky... 3/14 50/50ies won, only twice i had an early. at that point i just kept on thinking there's something wrong with my account... well it is what it is
@silverboiiii4205
Жыл бұрын
i realised how little i actually knew about wishing. that was really helpful, thanks!
@squidwardart
Жыл бұрын
A really good video, some people know that, but most people seem to be quite confused about it, also idk why but I never even thought about 4* soft pity
@LuckyFlanker13
Жыл бұрын
Good work again Milo. Detailed while still being easily digestible. Out of curiosity, how’d you calc the 35% and 65% probabilities?
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
(1-0.006)^73 = 0.6445
@Sudoxeee
Жыл бұрын
@@Vidmilooi understand the pity system quite well since i have been playing from release but i was just confused at 0:44 on why 2/3 are featured when it's a 50/50?
@whitelisted1699
Жыл бұрын
@@Sudoxeee its because garantees, he doesnt mean for 1 5 star he means in general for example you have 240 wishes enough to get 3 5 stars. your most likely gonna get 2 event 5 stars from those 240 wishes because if you lose a 50 50 your garanteed an event 5 star.
@lagrangewei
Жыл бұрын
I really don't think there is really a flat 35% chance. it more like 30%. like soft pity, the pre pity seem to tilt toward early pull (0-30 yield more gold than 40-70). since the math we care about is the average pull, we ain't evaluating the likelihood of them but their weight in the probablility so 35% might be it probabilty weight than how likely you are to get early... that or i am very unluckly because i really don't believe 1/3 pull are early.
@lagrangewei
Жыл бұрын
@@Sudoxeee because you are gurentee at least 1 feature in 2 gold. that gurentee can be mathethatically expressed as 100%. add that to your 50% chance, the odd is bump up to 2/3 if you pull gold many times. this graph is looking across the probability of many pulls... from my own averages I said this is confirmed. and it deviation is quite small too.
@obeliskt1024
Жыл бұрын
I always reserve around 150 fates for a character, and mostly expect a 5-star between 60-70. There were like 2-3 times I had to go to 80+ to get a 5-star in my roughly 1,700 pulls made(limited banner) since the release of the game.
@butterflyleaf
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your pointing out that characters and weapons can be bought with Starglitter. I think a lot of players don't recognize that by holding onto Starglitter, they can guarantee that they get certain 4 star characters or get Blackcliff weapons which are sometimes the best F2P weapons for dps characters rather than pulling another 7 copies of Thrilling Tales.
@Pingu2010
Жыл бұрын
Regarding weapons, the blackcliff series rarely outperform other F2P options - and if they do (which is "rarely" for better accuracy than "sometimes"), it's by a margin so small spending the starglitter isn't worth it, unless that allows you to free up a weapon for another character you plan to use simultaneously. It mostly has to do with the passive being pretty meh except against horde of weaker enemies against which it's "okay" - but it still doesn't provide much value because the enemies are squishy anyways. In short, there's a reason theorycrafters advise against spending starglitter on weapons. It's not that they're bad, because they can be good - it's just that they're often outclassed by other options as I said previously. If someone wants to purchase them, that's absolutely fine. But I just wanted to mention that for future readers.
@_Nyxus_
Жыл бұрын
I tend to get the four stars I want maxed out from banners before they get in the shop 😆 I collect all the males, and all of mine are maxed now except Freminet cause he's new, but I bet he'll come out in the shop way after I've already gotten him from other banners.
@Pingu2010
Жыл бұрын
@@_Nyxus_ you shouldn't have to worry. They haven't changed the shop characters since release. XD (I wish they added some new ones honestly)
@viviolet7
11 ай бұрын
hey, thrilling tales is pretty good!
@soroushkowsarian3364
2 күн бұрын
@@Pingu2010 the only blackcliff weapon that is good is for the spear who basically only Xiao can use properly
@snow5862
Жыл бұрын
how is this not more popular tf
@beam6109
Жыл бұрын
0:15 "But before I can tell you the hidden mechanics... " let me tell you about our sponsor for today's video, Raid Shadow Legends Nordvpn Honey. I was expecting it. I truly was.
@raweriio3306
Жыл бұрын
Just dicovered this channel. Single best genshin content on youtube. Hope to see more videos
@jazlynferdina9605
8 ай бұрын
as a person who has never won any 50/50 and always has gone till soft pity, i feel a bit disappointed to fit so perfectly in the unlucky 65%
@noahhughes121
Жыл бұрын
I remember when me and my sister were playing Genshin together, and we agreed that we roll 10 times on standard and 10 on limited, and I got Wanderer on the 6th roll.
@gubzs
11 ай бұрын
Statistics: 35% of your 5 stars come before 75 wishes! My wishes: lose *seven* 50/50s in a row, all of them between 70 and 80 pity.
@nurventilatoren
Жыл бұрын
I pretty much always get my 5* on Soft Pity, so I always plan around that. At 74 Pulls I always do Single Rolls.
@Hoodlet
Жыл бұрын
Even if you get a 5* on a ten pull, all of the characters pulled after the 5* will still contribute to your next pity byw
@RimFaxxe
11 ай бұрын
@@Hoodletooh that is actually so good to know! So I am on 47 pity atm, great to know Almost 60 wishes! Fingers crossed I get my beloved Wriothesley in 2 weeks
@cloudchaser21
11 ай бұрын
I used to do that as well, but ever since I got 2 Ayaka in one 10 pull, I never do single pulls again.
@nikyu.106
10 ай бұрын
@@HoodletYeah exactly, I feel like the only time you want to do single pulls is when you are at high pity in weapon banner and you are not planning to pull for weapons again so you don't lose between 1 and 9 wishes
@Elrog3
8 ай бұрын
@@nikyu.106 Weapon pity does carry over after the banner changes. Its just the epitomized path that doesn't.
@swagermaster8573
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing video you’re so underrated hope you get the recognition you deserve, here im gonna sub to you 😁
@chewx.x0
Жыл бұрын
I have a friend that never won a single 50/50 and almost every times reaches soft pity 💀
@exvex5108
Жыл бұрын
Thats my life xD He should calculate probability of this ever happening
@koji5717
Жыл бұрын
Bruh fr? I thought when you lost your 50/50, the next 50/50 is guaranteed featured character in the banner
@exvex5108
Жыл бұрын
@@koji5717 Thats the point ? we lost all of those 50/50 ones, and always hit it on 80/90th pull never early 5*
@William43210
Жыл бұрын
@@koji5717when you lose your 50/50, your guaranteed is not 50/50 because it’s simply 100%
@PentaGon_.
11 ай бұрын
@@koji5717 It's not a 50/50 if you're guaranteed the banner character
@MatchaLatteIsLife
Жыл бұрын
This is such a well-made and interesting video! I still almost couldn't bring myself to finish it when I heard the expected number for when you get a 5* LMAO (While I kinda dropped it this year, I played Genshin almost since launch and I got a total of ONE (1) character before 80-something. I also only ever won two 50/50s so I guess my luck being terrible is now mathematically proven lmaoo)
@AllMightyKingBowser
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, even though I understood almost nothing lol My take away is that you should not aim for a single 4 star character, and that you should only spend primogems for wishing if you actually want the featured 5 star (unless you are swimming in primos lol)
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
mhm, that's a good takeaway. Another important one is that you'll get most 5 stars (65% of them) around wish 77 :)
@SPJ-88
Жыл бұрын
yea I learned the hard way trying to pull for Kirara. Got an early 5 star, wasted a large pity on Miko, and only got one Kirara with a total of 80 pulls. And just last week I pulled a Kirara from off banner lmao.
@leonardomeloni69
Жыл бұрын
@@Vidmiloo hi one question since the probabilities for either banner are the same before soft pity, can we consider the amount of wishes as one big pity system where the probable averages count if you will put in 800+ wishes? Example: I will have 800 wishes. I would like to Pull Elegy, EL, and 5 copies (2 of Raiden, 3 of Nahida). In the best case scenario (winning the 50/50s vs not winning at all) using 75 pity as average and 65 for weapons it would take about 505 pulls, while in the worst case scenario 1140 wishes. Using your probabilistic averages it would be 740 wishes, meaning with 800 wishes I should be able to get everything. Im using the real average for the weapon banner for this calculation, while the 94 wishes for the character one. Can we consider also the weapon banner probabilities as if they were one with the character banner ones? And use the probabilistic average for the weapon banner too? In this case the needed wishes would go down to 658. After all, the basic probability is the same as the character banner until soft pity hits. TLDR lol: do you think 800 wishes can be good enough for a serious attempt?
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
@@leonardomeloni69 The odds of reaching soft pity on either banner are the same (about 35% of the time), but the baseline odds for the weapon banner are higher, as well as it having a higher expected number of 5 stars obtained with respect to the desired 5 star. The banners have to be looked at separately, especially since the weapon banner is even more prone to variance. About 2 in 3 5 star characters (67%) are the desired rate up. 1 in 2 (~50%) 5 star weapons is the specific desired rate up factoring in epitomized path. Overall, the average for the weapon banner comes out to be approximately 106 per desired 5 star, or 132 assuming you go to soft pity twice. I'd stick to the 132 assumption for the weapon banner generally, especially since you're not going to wish on it nearly as much as on the character banner. That's why it's safer to assume worse than the average here. This means for your scenario, the average wishes comes out to be about 733. Since you're above this average threshold, you have a good shot at getting everything. Even better odds if elegy and engulfing lightning end up on the same weapon banner by some miracle. Wish for the characters first before you go for those weapons though. If you end up wishing too much on the weapon banner early on, you might miss out on one of your constellations. TLDR: It's about enough, but don't start with the weapon banner.
@leonardomeloni69
Жыл бұрын
@@Vidmiloo thank you so much! The issue is Venti and Elegy are probably coming in 4.1 according to speculations lol So İ have no choice but to pull elegy there Then Raiden in 4.3 and Nahida in 4.4 Or maybe İ have to choose what to sacrifice between C2 Nahida, C3 Raiden or EL/Elegy The fact is for Raiden Hypercarry İ dont have any 674 atk weapon, Bennett is on Skyward blade and Sara on Sac bow for now. Since the Harp is on the standard banner İ thought about pulling Elegy for her, and a part of me is hoping to get some more 5 star weapons of the standard banner, ideally aquila favonia or harp By chance do you know the damage increase of Elegy vs Sacrificial Bow? İm just trying to make 2 super strong teams to always 36 star the abyss so İ can pull just on characters İ like with all the primogems İ can get
@zarzesratize1654
Жыл бұрын
Have been playing this game for years and this helps me so much
@kanatokazuya1637
Жыл бұрын
35 on average to get a specific four star? Then why has RNGesus forsaken me by having 90+ pulls and still no Kirara?????
@yptrumpet
Ай бұрын
Still an amazing resource. I come here regularly. Thanks for making this :)
@berrylovespice
Жыл бұрын
Wow so detailed I loved it I spend alot and have 4 c6 and I can confirm this to be correct but only you did a lot of pull it average to be this getting early is very unlikely. I did about 3800 character pulls
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
Yes, more or less; the more wishes you do, the closer your rate will be ~94 per limited 5 star character
@bang-naim
Жыл бұрын
Ooooohh it's a Gaussian distribution isn't it? Very clever exposition!! Please expound on the mathematics and include the formulae too next time if you don't mind 😄 loving the format!!
@ProjectLethargic
Жыл бұрын
my biggest brag in genshin is that whenever I want a 4 star and wish for them specifically I get the banner 5 star more often (i.e I had to spend to get Yanfei and I got Zhongli at 0 - 10 pity with a 50/50 twice)
@Lemony-lemongrass-LEMOO
Жыл бұрын
The only math I want to learn
@oakenstake4948
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. Very helpful for newer players like me. You deserve more subscribers. Keep up the good work!
@NoahNXT
Жыл бұрын
Well well well I'm gonna be one of the early subscribers of this about to BOOM channel 🛐 Arigatou for all the info Senpai 🛐
@lyxie_1
6 ай бұрын
I'm speechless. In the video you say that the average of wishes for a 5 star on the temp banner is 62.5. I actually won 26 5stars (1003 days played, F2P) and my mean average is EXACTLY 62.5 (range: 3, 81; median: 74.5;). Also I got 18 50/50 won over 26 (which makes 70%, pretty far from 50%)
@dryashes
Жыл бұрын
420th subscriber, might as well comment to help a bit with the video's visibility.
@Equilest
Жыл бұрын
I actually knew about this stuff, still it's pretty neat for vast majority of players, since small if any creators covered to such detail. It's also nice that you provided the breakdown on 50%,75%,90% confidence of getting x amount of y star. It's great to look up whenever assessing my odds, now done in very quick way.
@ezvain
Жыл бұрын
Fuck you doing watching something you already know about. ☠️
@umric
Жыл бұрын
this is a crazy quality video for the small channel u have, sub!
@gameplayhallucination5198
6 ай бұрын
I got Chiori at 77th pity and 1 pull...im trying to save for Kazuha, actually. Im grateful for getting Chiori even though i dont want her..
@andris404
Жыл бұрын
4 star pity is the worst because there is no true guarantee. I have spent 161 wishes on two different banners to get Layla and I still don't have her
@rottencoerz
Жыл бұрын
Oh lord...
@vito3510
Жыл бұрын
By the way my little sister started genshin and after reaching adventure rank 7 she pulled after 6wishes alhaitam came popping .AR7 .....i got Mona at 78 pulls at kazuha banner and at ar 46....
@jaydenrizki127
Жыл бұрын
9 likes and 38 views, thats very good
@Shuzakix
Жыл бұрын
1055 likes and over 11k views very good
@freemineral1945
Жыл бұрын
1.2k likes and 14225 views very good
@Brandon-pi4hg
Жыл бұрын
1.4k likes and 19k views. Muy bien
@darkfir3.
Жыл бұрын
1.5k likes and 20,807 views very good
@AdityaAK-3
Жыл бұрын
1.5k likes 20k views very good
@Alistant
Жыл бұрын
you deserve a new sub right now. and thats me
@ligglyhart
4 ай бұрын
ty! i remembered watching this video a while back and couldnt remember the real weapon banner pity tyty
@Bixu_Boks
11 ай бұрын
If I’m not wrong this is pretty much explaining the difference between median and mean, the mean for 5* is a lot lower than the median, because the data is skewed to the high side
@blacklight683
Жыл бұрын
note to self:after 80wishes start doing 1wish at a time and i am pretty sure i only got 5stars out of pity so ye...am unlucky af
@sebanox98
Жыл бұрын
thank you. I have been playing genshin a few days after realease and I didn't know this
@histoiredelloyd
Жыл бұрын
On my account, the first 10 wishes, I got a five star. It was the first thing to appear. I was super lucky.
@AnimeGamerBunni
Жыл бұрын
Sadness… I lost EVERY single 50/50 at over 80 pity No idea if it is user problem or system problem 😢😂
@munchaking1896
2 ай бұрын
One you reach 5 star, that probability is halved since its a 50/50 chance to get the one you actually want
@sheberhrbbr2388
9 ай бұрын
I’m at my 86th wish on ayato’s banner, I got diluc in my 50s wishes (I don’t remember exact number) and got 3 shinobus and 1 kirara, when I’m going to get ayato
@alyssert1743
Жыл бұрын
This is cool, I didn’t know about this before. I remember after I came back to genshin I decided to do a wish (because you know, coming back to genshin, right?) I had wished on eulas banner (I picked a banner randomly) and got her at literally 0 pity. it was my first ever 5 star from wishing :)
@raspiankiado
8 ай бұрын
I have been doing a thing, where, after I get a 5 star I want, I pull 30-50 more times. By the time the next banner I want rolls around, there have been 1-2 events, that reward about 20-25 wishes, ontop of playing semi-daily. Around pull 73, I get the featured five star. I have gotten Itto, Raiden, Navia, Wriothesley, Dehya, and Kokomi, all using this method. Ontop of a BUNCH of standard banner characters, and a whole bunch of great 4 stars.
@VashTheAverage
Жыл бұрын
I got kazuha on my 34th pull😊 I saved up enough for 120 pulls. Now I have enough to try again on a different character
@kitty-fx
Жыл бұрын
ive saved and used upto 105 and i really hope i get him by 120 or earlier 😭
@frostfire6347
Жыл бұрын
I have 8 wishes but with a plot twist of being on being 73 pity
@syikoosu
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone who does it RIGHT!
@TheeGayGod
Жыл бұрын
Ugh mihoyo should rlly make the probability of getting a 4 or 5 star character from the event banner higher,bc they keep adding so many unwanted standard banner characters on the event banners,like wtf man🤦🏻
@klonrymeryme5293
Жыл бұрын
It took 6 months to reach pity based of full time finishing daily commission. In some patches let's exclude the amount of chest in overworld, compesation gems and web events you could get between 1.2- 1.5k primogems but if you reach mid or endgame point that can finish abbys 2 weeks rotation all floor 9-11 9 star and floor 12 either 3 - 9 star depends which endgame point and character you have you could basicaly get 1.3k - 1.8k primos every 6 weeks. So in general you can reach soft pity 2 or 3 months faster base on the overall grinds to get pity rate but if we include the former 3 we exclude it can at least make another around 10 - 20+ days faster to reach pity.
@danish2.012
Жыл бұрын
Now do the same with artifacts drops probabilities and rates
@shafayatchowdhury7008
Жыл бұрын
Very detailed, Great guide man, You earned a sub!
@gamemaster4947
Жыл бұрын
I have a question. I know that this probably won't happen, but I'm curious. What would happen if you reached 5* and 4* pity at the same time? What if you get all the way to 89 wishes without getting a 5*, but the 90th wish would also be your 10th wish since your last 4*? That would mean that both reach pity at the same time and both have a 100% chance of happening when only one can happen. Does the 5* take priority?
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
So, I didn't talk about this in the video because it's a very fringe possibility, like you said. Think of genshin's probability as 3 bars layered on top of one another, their height representing probability. The bar representing 3 stars always stays at 100%. The bar for 4 star probability lies on top of the three stars, and 5 stars lie on top of 4 stars. Then, genshin picks a random point on the layered bar, and whatever area it lands in will be what rarity the wish is. Basically, 5 stars always have a chance to "override" a 4 star. You can be at 9 4 star pity and still have your next wish contain a 0.6% chance of a 5 star. By this logic, it's possible to get 4 stars on 11+ pity if it gets overridden by a 5 star.
@gamemaster4947
Жыл бұрын
@@Vidmiloo I see. Thanks. That's a question I've had for a while.
@TheEkscelencja
Жыл бұрын
Almost 2 years into the game it happend to me only once - I hit 10 pity on 4star but got 5star insted on 79 pity, then got 4star on very next wish(11 pity). This proofs 5star lottery takes priority over 4star lottery. What is interesting is this seems to "break the system" - I got got another 5star in the same 10-pull at 7 pity - again for the first since I started playing.
@chaon93
Жыл бұрын
@@TheEkscelencja This didn't break the system, you just got lucky with the 2nd 5 star. ive had 4 stars get pushed back 1 pull by a 5 star and had normal luck afterward on two occasions now.
@cristianb9557
Жыл бұрын
i had this happen to me, 5* are prioritized, i got the 4* on 11 pity
@NLwino
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, now I have something to link to when I get into another discussion that people don't believe that 5 star weapon pity is 100% at wish 77 and not at 80.
@StanTheWoz
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's ever taken me more than 79 wishes to get a five star, and I've gotten more than 20. Earlier than 70 is also extremely rare but it has happened a couple times.
@Altarisu
11 ай бұрын
im at 79 pity rn and im losing sanity
@ImmersiveYT
7 ай бұрын
i just did my 80th wish and i still dont got a five star
@IlikeGames690
4 ай бұрын
thanks for the guide bro. 👌
@jareaus
10 ай бұрын
i'm a relatively old player coming back to genshin but i remember how cracked my luck was in the early days 😭 got ayaka, yoimiya, kokomi back to back and hadn’t lost a 50/50 before the rerun of raiden banner
@akram6404
Жыл бұрын
Another day not using cos & sin
@Briareos-ie5cl
11 ай бұрын
Tbh I can't complain... I won my first 50/50 on the Kazuha banner, even though I lost the next one during Childe's banner and only got Qiqi, still that's very lucky, cuz I got the (imo) best character in the game without it being guaranteed (and without even knowing how good he was lol)... My girlfriend told me he was op and so I just pulled for him, I didn't even know my pity cuz I stopped playing for over a year before that, and then I suddenly got him and he became my second favourite character in like two days :)
@fantasticoproduction
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the information!
@cauancarvalhomarotta5142
Жыл бұрын
Continue doing your videos! theyre amazing
@anilovestao
Жыл бұрын
Randomly stumbled across this video, just hurts even more when I only got C4 (technically as 5 limited 5*s) in 779 pulls. (At 6:16, excluding starglitter refunds)
@raymondcheung3954
Жыл бұрын
I have been playing GI for about a year and also started HSR as of late. With GI, early 5* pulls were rare … so I consider myself quite lucky to have pulled in HSR both Jing Yuan and his signature light cone with around 100 pulls in total (ie c. 50 pulls on both). Very informative video btw 🙂
@chaon93
Жыл бұрын
yeah, this video is 100% applicable to HSR as the rates are the same. sometimes you just be lucky.
@tomasgrimm3086
Жыл бұрын
This is not the whole story, it´s commonly proved among genshin community that the algorithms are tweaked to favor players who play less time and disadvantage those who play a lot, that means, players who play a lot of time have less chances to win "50/50" and they have to pull more times, this is because Hoyovers wants players to keep on wishing and playing the game
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
I researched this and found no empirical evidence for it. The most someone investigated genshin tweaking odds for newer players only used a sample size of 40 players, so the results are not definitive proof of anything. Yes, the longer someone plays, the more likely it is that they lose multiple 50/50s in a row, but it is also more likely they win more 50/50s in a row. Some players will deviate from the average more than others, but this doesn't mean the baseline odds are changing.
@Keeby.
Жыл бұрын
If you want a 4 star youll get a 5 star The 2 4 stars i rolled for is sayu (i got 2 yoimiyas before i got sayu) and tthe new cryo guy (i got c1 zhongli)
@sparsh.12_
7 ай бұрын
thanks for letting me know! :D
@CleverFauxFox
Жыл бұрын
awesome video thank you!
@Aurliues
8 ай бұрын
crazy that I get this but I don't get my math lessons
@moallayoussef5462
Жыл бұрын
awesome video thanks a lot this helped tremendously
@astromarwar4279
Жыл бұрын
its funny how my friend always have early pity like 30-60
@Filolia
Жыл бұрын
I've gotten all my featured 5-stars between 75-84 pity. I currently have 12 5-stars pulled from featured banner, 6 of them were the featured one... I lost my 50/50 6 times in a row, never won a single one.
@tiffanypadilla1169
Жыл бұрын
I have only ever won one 😂 and always get 5 stars after 80 except once and that was 74? Hahaha My sister always has insane luck and has all the five stars she wants and majority have their best in slot weapon. Her artifact rolls are also insanely good. She always yells at me for having weak characters but not even her luck can roll me something good on my account 😂
@acynicalasian
Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for your loss, I thought my life sucked when I lost 5 50/50s in a row. But if it makes things any better (?), I've just now only won my second 50/50 ever.
@epicmusic7918
7 ай бұрын
My friend with his god luck as a free to play player: " I have no such weakness" Seriously he's got 5, 5 star's in 2 month 💀
@alex_rob10x36
10 ай бұрын
I love how i got lucky on the venti banner and got him and his wepon in less then 20 wishes
@wolfgang5359
11 ай бұрын
And here is where HOYO's system feels completely unreasonable considering the majority of characters are unobtainable and even when they do show up, the range at which you get a decent chance at them is far too high. And all for the sake of money.
@deathmetalcakefarts2751
9 ай бұрын
Great point also it’s quite nefarious because through their character stories in game they make you emotionally resonate with a character and so you will likely wallet up if Lady Luck doesn’t shine on ya! It’s emotionality distorts your senses throw in abysmal rates and you’ve got the recipe for people to fork over weeks worth of groceries for pixels! 🎉
@reedwilliams1868
Жыл бұрын
My strategy (as a very late game AR60 player) is simply to never, every pull unless I am absolutely CERTAIN I want the 5 star on the banner. Even if there's a rate-up 4 star I want, I just don't pull unless I know I 100% want the 5 star. And then I can go all out when the character I want finally comes out/gets rerun. I went approx. 6 months without pulling, while waiting for Yelan to get her first rerun. Had almost 500 pulls saved by the time she came back (I routinely by the BP and Welkin, but never buy the crystals). and when she did, I went all out, got her c1r1, and got a Homa for Hu Tao even with losing 2 50/50s (all in a little over 400 pulls) and felt so good from the sudden damage increase. I live to save now. The sudden power spike in your account when that banner you've been waiting for finally comes feels so damn good. It's probably how whales feel when they dump $200 into their account. Probably not a good strategy early game though since you want to make sure you have enough characters and weapons to get 2 good teams for abyss.
@username_69807
Жыл бұрын
I don’t have self control tho 😭
@thegreendragon9628
Жыл бұрын
I think the craziest example of luck I've seen in genshin so far is my sister. She had a rough start losing her 50/50 every time for a while but since then I think she's on a streak of like 8 which is crazy to me. My highest streak is only like 3 I think.
@repashy_
Жыл бұрын
I hope I get blessed too I recently lost 50/50 on Yelan despite farming for her all week 😔 I have been on a 4 streak 50/50 loss on character banner with 0 won
@umiprea
Жыл бұрын
I always get my 5star through hard pity. Only once did i get a 5star within 50 wishes and that is Yoimiya. I didnt even planned to qish for her banner but alas.
@happy_ice_cream
Жыл бұрын
Great video! The infographics and clear explanations were great! I really look forward to seeing more content from you. One question - was the omission of information about the hidden character/weapon balancing system a decision you made? By that I mean the system that ensures you receive a similar number of characters and weapons over time, before rate-ups are considered. I'm guessing it was, since you appear to be quite knowledgeable about the gacha system otherwise. Do you think it was too complex or distracted too much from the important points you wanted to make? I think it's quite an interesting topic, but not terribly relevant to actually giving advice for gacha expectations.
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
At the time, yes, I did choose to leave it out, since it's exclusive to the standard banner. Not exactly a priority in terms of primogem spending, but that itself is an idea that definitely could have been conveyed in this video, which then might have brought the character-weapon "even split" fact into conversation. There's quite a bit of analysis that, in hindsight, I wish I included in this video, rather than mostly state the facts and provide a few words of advice, and overall i'm not too happy with my wish videos anymore, but hopefully their main messages can get across to people as to what's important to remember. Glad you liked the video, more content is (slow but steadily) on the way!
@happy_ice_cream
Жыл бұрын
@@Vidmiloo Correct me if my info is outdated, but I'm pretty sure it's not actually exclusive to the standard banner! It's the reason that ~45% of 4-star pulls that aren't one of the three rate-up characters on the limited character banner are weapons, and only ~5% are characters - the balancing system makes it much much more likely to pull a weapon for off-rate pulls, because the rate-up pity system ensures that the on-rate pulls are characters. I believe it works the same way for the weapon banner - except characters are more likely as off-rate 4-star drops.
@Vidmiloo
Жыл бұрын
@@happy_ice_cream Interesting, you might just be onto something. I haven't found any definitive data to support the evidence, but if you do know of a breakdown of the system, let me know! If it turns out to be something impactful, I'll include it in my follow up on the second channel.
@cread13
11 ай бұрын
Wanted to mention the standard banner does have its own wierd system when it comes to 5*s. If u go to hard pity basicly put 70 plus wishes in to get the 5* drop it will always be the opposite of what u got last time u went to hard pity. Example if you got qiqi last time you wished at 70+ wishes and then next time u wish and it goes to 70+ you will get a weapon like skyward harp for example. Now lets say u get an early drop at like 50 or 30 wishes that wont change your hard pity one it will still flip flop between weapon or character depending on what u last got at that point.
@Elrog3
8 ай бұрын
How did you figure this out? Is there data on this with a significant sample size somewhere or did this come from dataminers looking at how the game is coded or did Mihoyo put this information out somewhere?
@voyagerdecoded
6 ай бұрын
Yupp checks out! I am 128 wishes in and still no Yae Miko. At this point I might just stop and wait for Neuvillette in 4.5
@svtary6365
Жыл бұрын
me when i spend 80 wishes on nahida banner and didnt get a single copy of kuki
@maximoaguilar8780
Жыл бұрын
I always hit either soft or hard pity with banners , and still lose 50/50s , my first 5 star was diluc at 24 pity (When i started genshin) Then my guaranteed character (Ganyu) Appeared at 74 pity , then lost 50/50 again tryign to get ayato at pity 86 , and got xiao after some months , then i won 50/50 with raiden at 66 pity , then lost it again and got cyno accidentaly at 31 pity , then lost 50/50 again , i pulled for nahida and got her , then lost again a 50/50 , and then got scara at pity 83 , i currently lost 50/50 on eula's banner with 74 pity... And now im still pulling for her , but i wanna get lyney , and i think i can get him :D
@raven4449
7 ай бұрын
From the realese of fontain . i am loosing every 50/50 and it's taking me 75-80 pity to get any 5 star . it's so frustrating , and makes me to want quite .
@Cinnamowo
Жыл бұрын
Got Raiden C1 at the start of my account within 40 pulls In Honkai: lost two 50/50, pulled five 5*, each of them only after 75th. My average is literally 77.0 💀💀💀
@akgamerfury2021
Жыл бұрын
most of it just went right across my head except the little that I already knew
@k-BlazeWuthringwaves30
Жыл бұрын
@Vidmiloo your such a nahida's son thanks for teaching this newbies
@walnut7137
Жыл бұрын
For the past 27 5-stars I haven’t hit early pity 😂 the only one I ever hit early pity was my first one lmao (about 0.001% chance of this mathematically happening)
@HermodVR
Жыл бұрын
I am happy my Avarage Pity for 5 star charackter is at 58.46%. I did 1637 WIshes and got 28 5 Star charackters. I am below avarage i am happy ;D. If i plan to get a charackter i always plan to have 140 Wishes. If i plan to get a weapon i plan to have 180 Wishes. I think that is a good starting ground to think for saving up and get sure you get your charackter / Weapon.
@lean9349
7 ай бұрын
Only once in first 10 pulls (Neuvillette) but normally never before 80 wishes, which includes loosing the 50/50 with a lot of wishes wasted 😢.
@Rashicora
Жыл бұрын
TwT my pity system is broken, I get a 5 star that I don’t want within 8 pulls, but it takes me over 60 to get the 4-star I want. (Have never gotten the 5 star I actually wanted lol)
@Soy_boy-by8ez
Жыл бұрын
77? I always get them on 85th.. And lost EVERY SINGLE 5050 too..
@stupidwing7270
Жыл бұрын
Praying that 60 wishes saved will be enough for hu Tao (I also have 20 pity)
@tothemoon992
Жыл бұрын
Same I’m going for her and Homa 💀
@devf8809
Жыл бұрын
when is she coming again? I lost 50/50 on Yelan to Qiqi and I am saving for her
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