I was sure you were joking about the IKEA symbols on the map. But then I looked it up and they are indeed on the map. That's absolutely wild. Wow.
@dustojnikhummer
Жыл бұрын
Why is it on the map? "because they paid"
@oliverstemp9132
Жыл бұрын
They are not on the TfL Go map, yet, so at least I don’t see them
@no_name4796
Жыл бұрын
Capitalism wins once again sadly
@HannahHäggAutisticTransWoman
Жыл бұрын
Maybe london needs to put the locations for kfc on the tube map as well.
@oliverstemp9132
Жыл бұрын
@@HannahHäggAutisticTransWoman or Pret A Manger. You probably couldn’t see anything else then. Haha
@josephbrainard441
Жыл бұрын
Mark's reaction in the end is hysterical
@FoggyD
Жыл бұрын
I'd say it was a remarkably calm reaction in the circumstances, actually.
@josephbrainard441
Жыл бұрын
@Jау Fоrеman 🅥I'm not dumb
@jsut2654
Жыл бұрын
@Jау Fоrеman 🅥 fake jay formen
@sabitasahoo5388
Жыл бұрын
Spoiler
@WardyLion
Жыл бұрын
He’s also not wrong.
@ValueNetwork
Жыл бұрын
Hearing Jagos voice come out of “Harry beck” was extremely unexpected! What a pleasant surprise
@mikebartlett6356
Жыл бұрын
"Jago"! Great cameo. Love it!
@deeznuts3186
Жыл бұрын
just what i was thinking!
@andrewwebb3431
Жыл бұрын
I'm now trying to work out if that's actually Jago or whether it's someone else that Jago has dubbed over. Not knowing what he looks like, it makes it very difficult to say!
@DevonPixie1991
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewwebb3431 maybe that’s the reason for the glasses
@oldvlognewtricks
Жыл бұрын
Stealth face reveal? 🤯
@davidgustavsson4000
Жыл бұрын
As a tourist in London, the tube map was absolutely crucial. An app is great if you know what you're doing, but being able to check station for station that you're on the right line in the right direction is invaluable.
@shockslice7632
Жыл бұрын
also no bloody internet in the tube, good luck with your apps then
@_Zaid
3 ай бұрын
@@shockslice7632 Every trip planner I've used had offline functionality, as long as you remembered to open the app recently when you have signal
@g0d5m15t4k3
Жыл бұрын
"You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of loyal service." hit me in the feels.
@raakone
Жыл бұрын
I agree, nice Jago reference there!
@CzHanz
Жыл бұрын
@@raakone and made by Jago himself. Loved that bit.
@eIucidate
Жыл бұрын
@@raakone It actually is Jago.
@carddamom188
4 ай бұрын
With a pillow in the belly area... It is noticeable since the pillow only fills the area between the suspenders...
@benwherlock9869
2 ай бұрын
I never wanted to know what Jago Hazzard looked like. 😞
@K3end0
Жыл бұрын
Can i just say this style of video is absolutely timeless? For some youtubers, you cant even go back 2 years before you hit a style of video completely different from the reason youre subscribed today. But ive just been on a binge of jay foreman videos that stretch all the way back to 2014 and its like he released them yesterday. You have a superb style of video, great content!
@connorkapooh2002
Жыл бұрын
I don't know how these guys do it, it's like he's predicted his success and knows his style has to be consistent.. or maybe that is *why* he's successful?
@K3end0
Жыл бұрын
@@connorkapooh2002 he definitely knows what works xD. Also a slight correction to my original comment, the vids didn't go back to 2014...they went back to 2009 (the unfinished northern line video) His style is so superb hes been making KZitem content for more than a decade in what is effectively the exact same way, but it always feels totally fresh and timeless. I'm pretty sure this is award worthy or something!
@druegnor1703
Жыл бұрын
~Nah..he made all his videos in 1 year and is scheduled to release all videos sequentially so he can have a nice relaxing rest somewere while composing his next syllable out sync song
@paulsavagecomedian
Жыл бұрын
I'm mates with Jay in real life. When I lived on a narrowboat I offered for him to film any parts of Unfinished London about the canals as there's rich history and lots of weird stuff involved. He said "yeah, when I get round to it". Anyway, that was 3 years ago and I sold the boat a year and a half ago.
@DamienAlexander
Жыл бұрын
I thought this video was made 10 years ago, I didn't realize it was new till I checked the date.
@do7137
5 ай бұрын
8:23 he’ll be happy to know that overground finally has different lines nearly a year on from this vid
@SylviaRustyFae
4 ай бұрын
The true power of a good hashtag
@offical_jamierubberfan
9 күн бұрын
And they're awful names too
@juliafrancesca6054
Жыл бұрын
When I was 12, my parents took me to London for the first time. They showed me how to read the tube map on the way into the centre and on the way back, they had me direct them without any help. Such a fond memory and now the tube map holds a very special place in my heart! This was fantastic, Jay!
@acehighjohn1759
Жыл бұрын
As a Glaswegian i was delighted to see our subway map in all its glory, must have took a team of planners a very long time to create such a clear, detailed and beautiful map. God bless them all.
@SorchaSublime
Жыл бұрын
It honestly is shocking. Youd think theyd add at least one line at some point over the years.
@nachodrd
Жыл бұрын
How do you get around? That looks like mayhem.
@rainbowevil
Жыл бұрын
7:49 for others looking, but you’ll have to start/stop or go frame by frame on a computer to see it!
@lol-uu9fx
Жыл бұрын
@@SorchaSublime we already have a pretty good existing overground railway system which kind of negates the need for underground lines to the suburbs, which kind of sucks because more underground would be cool.
@hApPyErDaZz
Жыл бұрын
Best map
@anarchojazz
Жыл бұрын
Backs Victoria line map is truly gorgeous. The way he keeps the new line straight, showing it as modern and new is genuinely masterful
@Boabywankenobi
Жыл бұрын
Harry Beck voicing Jago Hazzard was a skillful, deft touch. Well played sir.
@JayForeman
Жыл бұрын
Not just voicing. That’s his face too.
@platypusfrenzy
Жыл бұрын
@@JayForeman You're not fooling us. Jago is in fact a disembodied spirit that roams the tube, informing bypassers on interesting matters such as the early corporate structure of the Piccadilly and Brompton Railway, only to occasionally be caught on film.
@THjelm
Жыл бұрын
Also the Tim Traveller starring as the Frenchman - nice!
@franzfanz
Жыл бұрын
@@THjelm Is this the MCU of transport based educational KZitem videos?
@PadisherCreel
Жыл бұрын
Thought I recognised the voice. Thanks
@Phuc_Yhou
Жыл бұрын
How many millions of unwanted conversations and awkward eye contact moments have been avoided just reading the map while travelling on the Tube ?
@markwright3161
Жыл бұрын
I suppose that's one advantage of a more complicated map, you can stare at it for hours and it's perfectly reasonable for anyone walking by, 'Anti-Beck claims another' :) Having said that though, a Beck design deserves to be admired, so you could reasonably stand staring at that for hours too without question, and if anyone dare asks what you're doing, 'It's a masterpiece' is all you would have to say. :)
@notmenotme614
Жыл бұрын
Can’t make eye contact or even smile on the London Underground. It’s the unwritten rules.
@ondank
Жыл бұрын
Truly makes you proud to be a londoner. Now if only Beck could invent a design that keeps the damn tourists out of my god damn way in his underground.
@wanamingo4961
Жыл бұрын
That’s so British lol
@freddy6081
5 ай бұрын
Spoken like a true Londoner
@12345.......
Жыл бұрын
For my own future reference 1:30 settle for suburbia (*ockfosters) 2:00 Sydney and Paris 3:39 Harry's dream and young Hutchinson 4:28 Jay's rant 5:04 summarized letters 6:05 RIP Harry Beck and his glasses 7:07 Harry Beck superfan 8:18 hashtag 10:13 Mark and advert If someone else is reading this, just watch carefully and pause to read all text in the video. #splittheovergroundintodifferentcoloursandnamestomakeiteasiertoreadonthemapandlessconfusingfortouristsandcommutersalikeespeciallywhenitcomestotemporaryclosuresanddelays
@benholroyd5221
Жыл бұрын
*Roosterfosters
@dalriadaskillen
Жыл бұрын
Where’s the time stamp for ISIHAC theme? Disappointed.
@12345.......
Жыл бұрын
@@dalriadaskillen sorry. Can you add it?
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
Why doesn't it show as a hashtag?
@12345.......
Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-df8itBig overground. Spread to word on the conspiracy! 🙃
@itsjustclary4732
Жыл бұрын
The “this could’ve been a map men episode” bit made me almost spit my drink out from laughing. This episode was so good!!! Thanks!!
@Herrscher-of-Autism
Жыл бұрын
@here is the full clip here is the number ov people falling for this shit:
@westarrr
Жыл бұрын
I only realised at that point I wasn't watching Map Men
@RichardDzien
Жыл бұрын
Tube men, tube men, tube-tube-tube men-tube-men men tube.
@scienceevolves4417
Жыл бұрын
Men map men nap men men men map map map... Map
@toddhollen
Жыл бұрын
Map Man, Map Man, Map Map Map, Man Man Man
@nankinink
Жыл бұрын
Tim's acting was incredible, one of his best
@albertnewton8296
Жыл бұрын
Hey look Jay, you're big enough to be impersonated by robots now!
@xanderanderson6673
Жыл бұрын
@Jау Fоrеman 🅥 you are quite obviously not the real jay foreman
@yxx_chris_xxy
Жыл бұрын
That wasn't Tim but some French relative of his.
@RootoFrance
Жыл бұрын
I fear Tim"s lines might have been misunderstood or mistranslated. Never mind, I'm sure it was all in the modern spirit of Pan-european cooperation.
@mb11
Жыл бұрын
As a New Yorker I thoroughly appreciated the Tube map when I first moved to London. I think it still serves an incredible purpose, even if it's just a visual aid you glance at while you're waiting for your train. The fact that it isn't this spaghetti-like mess splayed onto the literal map of the city makes it so much easier to understand where you're going. Also on the accessibility info, I think if the day comes when every station is fully accessible, then the symbol would be a moot point, but until then I will continue to feel betrayed by Marylebone for not having a lift from its tube platform despite being a National Rail station. 🙃
@DaL33T5
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad they're trying to introduce the diagram-style maps again for the subway.
@poisonedkilljoy9304
Жыл бұрын
There is one drawback to the accessibility info tho - sometimes it is USELESS. King’s Cross St Pancras tube station (said in that way because King’s Cross, St Pancras and the tube station are 3 separate things that don’t connect easily) is shit. I want to murder whoever designed it. Yes, it had lifts…BUT YOU NEED A DIAGRAM TO UNDERSTAND THE LIFTS. Every different bit is a long walk away from all the other bits in an overly complicated clusterfuck of floors. It’s all well and good to be step free to the street, but it’s not overly helpful if you put massive horrible walkways in between the various lifts you need to get up to the surface in the right spot. It is nightmarish and not even all that accessible! AND IT SERVES 2 MAJOR TRAIN STATIONS! PEOPLE HAVE SUITCASES! I don’t currently use a wheelchair (they’re expensive, I’m a student), but I do have some pretty bad mobility issues and trying to get up to King’s Cross today to catch a train to get back to uni almost gave me a panic attack, on top of the fact my elbows started subluxing, my knees decided simply to give up on me and my heart tried to take me out and give me a concussion. The symbol gives the false impression that the station is decently accessible for those with mobility issues, but it isn’t! It’s TERRIBLE! There should be a caveat off something. yeah there are lifts but you’ll spend 5 minutes just trying to get to the fucker only to find out it’s the wrong damn lift or it is the right lift but the fucking diagram JUST TELLING YOU WHICH LIFT GOES TO WHICH FLOOR AND WHAT STREET IT CONNECTS TO (and station you’d want) is a lying bastard and if you want King’s cross station lift C is perfectly acceptable you don’t have to go and hunt for lift b, which isn’t even helpfully signposted, and walk (if this is something you can even sort of manage to do) for several more minutes just to find out you’ve gone the wrong way. I doubt it’s accessible for wheelchair uses just based on the arm workout you’d get trying to navigate the bastard.
@jlr108
Жыл бұрын
@@poisonedkilljoy9304 Haven't had the pleasure of trying to find my way around the Kings Cross St Pancras lifts, but even the lift system at Green Park is a nightmare. I had cause to use it recently and there were three separate lifts with significant walks between each one to get from the lowest level (can't remember which line that is) to the street level. While I was mildly incapacitated (hence the need to use the lifts - something I've never needed before) and was at least able to manage the lengthy walk, I can't imagine what it must be like for someone who has more severe physical challenges to get out of there. It doesn't seem like a good enough system.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
Жыл бұрын
Wait, Jago Hazzard's face reveal was on A CHANNEL THAT WASN'T HIS OWN?! AND WAS REVEALED BY HAVING HIM SAY HIS CATCHPHRASE AS HIS ONE AND ONLY LINE?!
@c.t.martin3915
Жыл бұрын
pretty mental
@terrynixon2758
Жыл бұрын
Actually blew my mind.
@DangItshere
Жыл бұрын
literally spewed my drinks out
@archietompkins5065
Жыл бұрын
I think that has to be the most Jago way it could have happened haha
@thehoveringcheese
Жыл бұрын
I was shooketh when I heard it...
@misterfox3303
Жыл бұрын
Seeing jago hazard in this episode is awesome!
@johnavery15
Жыл бұрын
It is him is it? The voice is so distinctive.
@yorkiegrit
Жыл бұрын
Yes!!! Knew it was him immediately 😁👏👏👏👏
@johnavery15
Жыл бұрын
@@yorkiegrit and the phrase he used too.
@TanyaTsukrova
Жыл бұрын
For a second I was like "Hey, I heard this voice before" and then it hit me xD
@NigelGentry
Жыл бұрын
I didn't realise it was him until the phrase "You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of service"... and then it clicked. :) Also great to see Tim Traveller, but with a different voice!
@jgodden8022
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for catering to the much underserved demographic of people who are both regular Radio 4 listeners and geeky YT content consumers. I'd like to think I'm one of about a dozen people who knew what you were leading up to as soon as the trombones were audible.
@animatechap5176
Жыл бұрын
Me me me!!! Only 21 too
@hq4287
Жыл бұрын
I'm 25 and me also!
@Cousjava
Жыл бұрын
I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue what you are on about.
@pietje32
Жыл бұрын
Yup, same here. And I'm not even a Brit...
@peterburgess5974
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I designed a 'tube' for the Lakeland Fells 12 years ago, which I named '"Tubular Fells". I lived and worked as a geography teacher in London at the time (living there for 23 years) and wanted to map the fells in honour of Harry Beck and that beacon of the English Lake District , Alfred Wainwright. I was a founder member of the Wainwright Society and I now live and work in Cumbria. The time and effort I took in order to emulate Harry Beck's work stretched my geeky approach, but I think I did alright and the resulting map has become quite iconic. It's a pleasing creation which adopted the basic rules of topology and I honoured both men by including their names. Ironically, Beck is a great name and addition for the map, meaning a mountain stream. I guess he was Harry Mountain Stream! Thanks for giving this explanation to us all. I will be directing people this way. Ad altiora!
@therealcaldini
Жыл бұрын
I have a print on my hallway wall. As a fan of maps, the Lake District and Mike Oldfield it is one of my most treasured possessions. I’m very pleased I now get the chance to say thank you to you for producing it: Thank you. I’m also a Charlatans fan so to have the name Burgess on there is also a major plus!
@peterburgess5974
Жыл бұрын
@@therealcaldini And thanks to you for supporting me! Tubular Fells has brought me great pleasure and helped me to contribute to the protection of the place I love, in some small part. I never advertised, but through my enthusism it seemed to appear in every outdoor's publication, including The Guardian and even The Sun! I initially produced the map without any notion it would become so popular but it certainly resonated throughout the fellwalking world. I am so touched it has become a treasured possession; nay I am humbled. I am sure I could sort it, but if you would likle me to inscribe a map for you it would be my pleasure to get one to you. Reply and I am sure we can sort it. Peter Burgess
@paulsavagecomedian
Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely brilliant. Do you have a website I can buy one from so you make as much money as possible?
@jimbobtheA1
Ай бұрын
Bro speaks yapanese 💀💀💀💀💀
@MegaKlak
Жыл бұрын
Having Jago Hazzard revealed as Harry Beck was truly a moment.
@brockbayley5279
Жыл бұрын
I'd personally argue that replacing the map with an app would be a poor decision I was a tourist in London (among other cities) earlier this year and I found the map to be vital to trying to find my way around and honestly didn't even know that there was an app, and even then with no reception in the deep tube stations it would be considerably more difficult to use the app, especially as a first time visitor
@ultraL2
Жыл бұрын
he never suggested it be replaced, rather you use an app to figure out which lines/stations to take rather than look at the map itself
@leisti
Жыл бұрын
@@ultraL2 Well Brock Bayley is still allowed to argue against replacing the map!
@AndrewMcColl
Жыл бұрын
What about a hybrid approach? A digital version of the map where you can hide the details you don't want would allow people to get the info they need at a glance.
@mennoltvanalten7260
Жыл бұрын
@@AndrewMcColl And perhaps places where the map needs to be tiny could have a "simplified" version, which has only your current transport type + what services it will connect to (eg. just a tube map with symbols indicating "main line rail", "tram", "ferry" and so on at stations where the tube connects to those, and for trams a similar map but with only trams and symbols for the tube)
@AndrewMcColl
Жыл бұрын
@@mennoltvanalten7260 that's the beauty with a digital version, you can make it work for you. Especially useful if you're only able to use stations with disabled access.
@aeilers1
Жыл бұрын
Jago Hazzard! Nice to finally get to see the man whose videos I quite enjoy. And more from Jay and MapMen, please!
@JasperJanssen
Жыл бұрын
Never mind Jago, that looked an awful lot like the Tim Traveller being French. And at the line massive tube nerds… why no cut to Geoff? It’s kind of conspicuously missing.
@greycats99
Жыл бұрын
Yes! I also immediately recognised his voice! :D
@mikemetaled
Жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen Because he played Frank Pick in Part One.
@alloallie
Жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen Because he was already in part 1
@TheLordZoka
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you got Harry Beck to be played by Jago Hazzard. I love his videos!
@thelavaman
Жыл бұрын
2:13 this just shows the dedication in these videos. he had to hire an extra and find a bunch of French clothes for them to wear. then they had to learn a whole conversation in French completely fluently just for a 5 second gag. What a guy!
@JdeBP
Жыл бұрын
They did not, however, employ said extra to record his own rendition of the ISIHAC theme. That was a bit of a missed opportunity, given what Tim did with the BBC News theme.
@JayForeman
Жыл бұрын
@@JdeBP Tim does perform a rendition of a well known tune with a twist in this video. See if you can spot where.
@JdeBP
Жыл бұрын
@@JayForeman Again, though, giving Tim a twist instead of a hornpipe is somewhat of a missed opportunity. (-: By the way, they were still sometimes giving the 'phone number as Abbey 1234 at the start of the 1970s.
@mattbosley3531
Жыл бұрын
Is lavaman not aware that Tim speaks fluent French already? Perhaps he doesn't watch Tim's videos.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
Жыл бұрын
The actor is such a method actor that he moved to France and spent two years living there just to prepare for the role!
@Allardje10ifly
Жыл бұрын
Mark saying this could have been a map men episode was like taking sweets from a child and saying "wouldn't these sweets be nice?"
@tomwatts703
Жыл бұрын
Getting excited over a Jago Hazzard cameo in a Jay Foreman video feels like the pinnacle of London transport youtuber nerdery and I'm here for it. Fantastic video as always!
@lordgemini2376
Жыл бұрын
Yes!!!
@fradgepick
Жыл бұрын
I remember the family confusion when they unveiled the plaque at Finchley Central. He either used West Finchley or Highgate depending on whether he was at home or at his parents. As well as further Underground Maps, he would also 'invent' things, but they were never that great. My grandfather, who was an engineer, would often sit with Harry and explain why they would never work.
@TheGrammarPolice7
5 ай бұрын
*He used either
@andykeith1
Жыл бұрын
“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” The modern tube map designers should pin that above their desks.
@Amuzic
Жыл бұрын
Back in 2007 when I visited London in a work related trip from Kolkata(which that time was the only city in India to have a metro, but it was just a single line Edit: beside Delhi which started in 2002, ), The very first day I laid my eyes on the map, I got so impressed by it, I had never seen anything like that before and yet it took me minutes to figure out, it was so intuitive and I could literally go anywhere in and around London...point to note here is, I was just 22 and hardly travelled alone anywhere in India at that point of my life...and it was my first trip abroad...that map was the biggest reason I got accustomed to London in just few days..I met and interacted and did a lot of things with many, many people there during my month long stay and nobody believed me when I said I was just a visitor.
@domoncar6782
Жыл бұрын
Slight correction, Delhi metro was operational since 2002. By 2007 it had two big lines which were running near full capacity. Source: I was there using the metro.
@noiserrr
Жыл бұрын
in my experience the usability and intuitive design is impressive even when it comes to navigating in the subway, same goes for the airports in london. at least in my experience compared to any other subway system or airport ive used. its hard almost impossible at times, to take the wrong turn.
@SeleniumGlow
Жыл бұрын
@@domoncar6782 Kolkata lads seldom care about good stuff outside their own city IMO.
@chicagotypewriter2094
Жыл бұрын
Oh my god another Bengali! Though I didn’t grow up in India, I fondly remembered seeing the trams go by in Kolkata during the summer. It’s a shame they’ve practically gotten rid of them all, seeing as that was a defining symbol of the city :(
@varunh2o
Жыл бұрын
Brother. Delhi metro had been operational for half a decade till then. This is also how Bengal got the Roshogola first. Lol
@tidmouthmilk12
Жыл бұрын
I almost didn't realise Beck was voiced by Jago Hazzard until he did the "You are the X to my Y" joke. Brilliant video as always Jay!
@JayForeman
Жыл бұрын
Not just voiced. That’s the real him in the video!
@gab_v250
Жыл бұрын
@@JayForeman wow, that's awesome. Cheerio!
@ayindestevens6152
Жыл бұрын
@@JayForemanI’m SHOOKETH
@paulhaynes8045
Жыл бұрын
I've no idea who Jago Hazard is. I suspect I'm in a very small tiny minority on here...
@beth12svist
Жыл бұрын
@@paulhaynes8045 I'm with you in that small tiny minority.
@SundayTalksYT
Жыл бұрын
i like how you let Half-Asleep Chris have a cameo in this video... nice touch. Hopefully we can see him make an appearance again in future episodes!
@monoonyx
Жыл бұрын
My jaw genuinely dropped at 6:18, godspeed Jago
@powderedground78
Жыл бұрын
The enthusiasm for Harry Beck is palpable. Loved it!
@hoichingwong4267
Жыл бұрын
I played and paused the videos for several times from 7:40 to 7:50 to see the maps and caption. I am surprised by maps of different places and as a Hongkonger,I also feel happy about seeing the MTR map of Hong Kong :)
@AmyJiang
Жыл бұрын
I just came back from Hong Kong for geography dissertation fieldwork! (Not about the MTR haha) but I do love your map system and overall tube network over there, it’s so well done! Really love the city ❤ love from London!
@ThreeEy
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately... It's outdated.
@notmenotme614
Жыл бұрын
So did I. It’s like another hidden video within a video
@ImEpic854
3 ай бұрын
NEW YORK Eurgh. -Jay Foreman
@jackabea9534
Жыл бұрын
I am from New Zealand and while on my Gap Year in London I was entranced by the Tube Map. I would spend my weekends by randomly picking a station on the map then I would book a hotel and explore the area for a couple days. It was amazing. I saw so many random little places that I never would’ve normally seen
@caleballen4721
Жыл бұрын
I moved to London 3 months ago, and this is exactly what my wife and I do on the weekends to explore London. It's amazing how often we find something really fun/interesting by doing this!
@Futures_End
Жыл бұрын
@@caleballen4721 I was born and raised in London and have lived here for a little over 20 years, and I still remember exploring what a random station had in store for us when I went there with friends. It was great fun, and I'd do it again too. That station was Limehouse on the DLR if you're interested!
@AicyDC
Жыл бұрын
@@caleballen4721 I wish I had the money that you people had... I dream of affording a hotel in london each week.
@Inkyminkyzizwoz
Жыл бұрын
*would have
@jackabea9534
Жыл бұрын
@@AicyDC I totally feel that. To be fair, I wasn’t in hotels all the time. It was mainly dodgy hostels or questionable airbnbs haha
@Nyanga456
Жыл бұрын
The "I'm sorry I haven't a clue" theme tune whilst talking about Mornington Cresent is a very nice touch
@Euryptus
Жыл бұрын
That'll be 'The Schickel Shamble', for those wondering. You are most welcome.
@JdeBP
Жыл бұрын
The perfect touch would have been getting Tim to cover it. (-:
@jgodden8022
Жыл бұрын
I do wonder how many of Jay's quintessentially middle-class Brit references are lost on the majority of his audience.
@TheSpanielXD
Жыл бұрын
My jaw physically dropped when Harry Beck turned out to be our man JagoHazard 🧡 We love that man
@rlnasr
Жыл бұрын
Everything you do is so funny that I forget that I'm actually learning something! Who could've guess that a guy from Vancouver, BC, Canada could find videos about the London tube map so entertaining! Well done! All that said, I'm really missing map men. I do hope you guys will be be producing more episodes! Cheers!
@JayForeman
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Map Men is coming back later this year. Stay tuned…..
@lookitsdivadan
Жыл бұрын
It can’t just be me that gets excited when a Jay Foreman notification pops up?
@james_crawford
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@connorgeorge6294
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not
@caseaces9276
Жыл бұрын
Oh no, jay foreman bots exist
@PorterStats
Жыл бұрын
You’re not alone!
@MSP_aviation
Жыл бұрын
I just did
@RBernsCarter
Жыл бұрын
I get really anxious being on the tube (and in London in general, it’s too busy and crowded for my liking) and I find it really helps to stare at the maps on the tube and count the stops I have left before I get off or follow all the tube lines to pass the time and distract me
@Gabbyreel
Жыл бұрын
On the note of the New York subway, it's designed to be proportioned true to life, as the vast majority of people in the boroughs travel primarily by foot, so knowing distance as it truly is is vital. They've tried a back-style map in the past and it was disliked to put it nicely.
@thesteelrodent1796
Жыл бұрын
over here in the Europes we have apps where we plunk in where we are or will be and it tells us how far we have to walk to catch a bus or train, but of course up here in Northern Europe walking distance is 3 km, which is 10 times the distance where the typical American demand a car
@u1zha
Жыл бұрын
@@thesteelrodent1796 WDYM, Google Maps does tell that for much of the world's cities, app support is not something where Europe would stand out particularly. Manhattan is pretty big, so regardless what's your "the distance where typical you demand a subway ride" it can be quite useful to have a map which shows when the distance is twice that. And that was Gabriel's point I think. Not a dick measuring contest about who walks longer.
@rwall514
Жыл бұрын
@@thesteelrodent1796 They didn't have that when the Beck-style map was tried. It was the 1960s.
@Totidoful
Жыл бұрын
@@thesteelrodent1796 Americans from NYC are certainly not "typical"...
@sdh643fn
Жыл бұрын
@@thesteelrodent1796 Europeans thinking they are unique for doing something the entire world does while shitting on Americans for being close minded never gets old
@musical3lottie
Жыл бұрын
8:35 triggers my incandescent rage for the inaccurate accessibility information on the Bakerloo line. The map says a few stations have ramp access onto the trains (and the TfL Go app specifically says it's ramp access, for each of the platforms) but they don't, because the cars have a step down into them as they're lower than the platform. As a wheelchair user with very limited cognitive and physical energy, I can tell you I did NOT appreciate wasting an entire hour of the journey finding that out!
@Sousyned
Жыл бұрын
I love the commentary on all the copy cat maps. Also, as a Melbournian, our map may be very pretty and hypnotic, but only because everything only connects in the city loop. I’m all for ruining it with upgrades, the next big plan will ruin it even more, but don’t worry it’s not due for completion till 2050 and most of the stops and connections are in the East anyway, so it probably won’t help improve services either. 😂
@guyspy21
Жыл бұрын
As a melbournian myself, I agree
@welcomeback2mychannel
Жыл бұрын
It also is trains only, not trams. Stupid different companies.
@AurinneA
Жыл бұрын
@@welcomeback2mychannel Yes, and it doesn't even show IKEA stores! Pathetic.
@Xenonfastfall
Жыл бұрын
2050 is a bit generous
@vapor404
Жыл бұрын
At least you got a decent map we adelaideians rely too much on cars
@NinhLyUK
Жыл бұрын
I was half expecting Jay to father another child just for the SurfShark VPN advert at the end 😂 Seriously though, excellent work as always! 😀👍
@ItsZim0
Жыл бұрын
Pls continue making Map Men too. I love the inconsistent intro of that series
@ThatCoalSoul
Жыл бұрын
* as well *
@hinesecitizen
Жыл бұрын
He will. He said on his community tab
@rapideyephotography9782
Жыл бұрын
Jago Hazzard. KZitemr. Map designer extraordinaire. His talent knows no bounds
@chaitanyabahl3623
Жыл бұрын
Wow another video on London a place I have never visited in a country I have never been too! Really excited to watch it! No joke though I love the effort put in by Jay in the video to make it interesting for all of us.
@chaitanyabahl3623
Жыл бұрын
@@instinctivelycorner Yes, I like Jay's content for real though
@acey850
Жыл бұрын
I cannot believe the powerhouse of characters in this Map Men, I mean Unfinished London episode! Seeing Half-asleep Chris make a cameo ❤ and Jago’s unexpected face reveal is surprising I love it
@nicvolcano
Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I can't believe you managaed to get Mark Cooper-Jones from the web series "Map Men" on a video! Hopefully there's more collaborations with him!
@Bailey-u6n
3 күн бұрын
People were saying that Jay having a literal child for a Surfshark ad was dedication, but he legit wait until he had a spot then recorded himself brushing his teeth with the spot and zoomed in on it so it's super obvious, for an ad.
@JayForeman
3 күн бұрын
The first few seconds of this ad is a perfect recreation of exactly where I was and what I was doing when I came up with the idea for this ad.
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
That has be to be the best sponsored content ever. absolutely epic. Also the last alternative map you showed was excellent, someone put a lot of work into that
@soundscape26
Жыл бұрын
Jay and Ryan George have some of the best sponsored segments.
@Nooticus
Жыл бұрын
Jug Cerovic is a living legend in the transit map-making world! Look him up!
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
@@Nooticus Thanks! I love stuff like that. He really understands the principals of Harry Becks original concept. Why have TfL made such a mess of the Elizabeth line at Moorgate/Liverpool st., for example? Cerovic has totally understood the idea to keep it as uncomplicated as possible
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
The overground lines in a different shade too! genius. I hate the way that just about every time you sit on an overground train, the map opposite you is of a different line to the one you are using, so is totally irrelevant and darn right confusing to any tourists.
@chrisogrady28
Жыл бұрын
You should watch Internet Historian's Nord ad spots
@jamietate3526
Жыл бұрын
I’d love a whole video on how bad the tube is for accessibility. I often feel the need to visit London for my work, but given that it’s basically impossible to get around on the tube to the archives I need to go to I just don’t, and my work suffers.
@CalvinsWorldNews
Жыл бұрын
It's also relevant to anyone with elderly parents or kids in a buggy. When I had a kid and my parents came to visit, it wildly changed where we went and how we got there, swapping eg "one train" with "a train to somewhere else, followed by a bus"
@crash.override
Жыл бұрын
They'd do better to have a separate Accessibility map, without the inaccessible stations, rather than overusing the wheelchair symbol.
@BrianC1664
Жыл бұрын
@@crash.override That's not a bad idea
@rmc3016
Жыл бұрын
@@crash.override Or just have a symbol to show which stations are not accessible, rather than having symbols on all of the ones that are. A symbol which alerts you to which ones are not accessible is much more useful than cluttering the map by throwing an accessible symbol on all of them.
@LizzyFerretOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@crash.override they do. It’s big, clunky, cumbersome and as usual makes those of us with access needs feel “other”.
@MrFlyingguy
Жыл бұрын
Jago Hazard as Harry is a class casting.
@brianbks02
4 ай бұрын
Thanks Jago, you are the pleasant surprise to my unexpected cameo.
@daandanx
Жыл бұрын
7:05 Oh! All the cameos! I love this!
@MunchMan
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe Jay made an interesting documentary, and ALSO won Mornington Crescent: KZitemrs Edition in the same video!
@SleepyHarryZzz
Жыл бұрын
The Elizabeth Line has really shaken up the Unsure Junction Loop midgame hasn't it?
@drtrustrum
Жыл бұрын
@@SleepyHarryZzz No-one seems to have worked out the implications for alternate Wednesdays when there is an R in the month, especially if an opponent is in nid.
@MunchMan
Жыл бұрын
@@drtrustrum Those rules are rendered moot if a player goes through Euston though, it's the traditional train turnaround gambit introduced in 1998.
@jdmhexagon2584
Жыл бұрын
@@SleepyHarryZzz I've noticed a lot more games being won by Judge's Decision since it opened, but maybe that'll settle down once players adjust.
@drtrustrum
Жыл бұрын
@@MunchMan But wasn't that deemed illegal retrospectively, as under the 1963 Boseman interpretation that originally ruled on backwards doubles? In any case it is surely not in the spirit of the game. See the Dee era ruling on Cockfosters.
@clarence5211
Жыл бұрын
totally agree that a lot of clutter can and should be removed, but not the accessibility info. that is vital, and disabled commuters should be able to see it quickly and easily. their commute is already complicated enough i imagine, judging by how little stations are actually fully step-free from train to street. ofc the true solution is to make everything accessible so the info is redundant, as someone else in this comment section has already suggested. but until then it should always remain on the map
@liyifenn
Жыл бұрын
The disability info bit was clearly a joke, given that he ended it with "... to be quite so blobby".
@lotuseater7247
Жыл бұрын
Jug Cerovic's map idea is absolute beauty; traditional, contemporary, and simplicity, and joyous, all wrapped up in a ball of clear definable lines. And it includes the parks!
@JeroenvanMontfort
Жыл бұрын
I wanted to respond enthusiastically about The Tim Traveller’s cameo, but then I heard Jago’s voice. Reading the comments, it apparently is actually him. What really blows my mind is that we have watched him in part 1, two months ago, not knowing it was him… Nice one. 👍
@annikous
Жыл бұрын
The Mexico City metro map is a beauty and possibly exceptional! It has individual icons that relate to the name of the station making it navigable without having to read.
@AndreiBerezin
Жыл бұрын
Lots of illiterate locals must be glad, I guess
@politecube4503
Жыл бұрын
7:46 want to mention that the Hong Kong map is the older version. The new version have brown and purple connected, and as a Hong Konger I hate the two lines swapping
@UKV1452
Жыл бұрын
I have an image of all these legends having an amazing premiere party with this on in a London flat somewhere and so they should. Tim was spit-take funny and the Jago face-reveal was just incredible. What a triumph!
@kaitlyn__L
Жыл бұрын
I love your display name
@angrypotato_fz
Жыл бұрын
Indeed, as a foreigner, I use the map to plan my journeys around London and it really encourages me to hop on a train and start exploring! (but it's also confusing, mainly because of additional non-tube services added) Lovely video! I'm glad Harry Beck eventually got the deserved recognition!
@billylardner
Жыл бұрын
6:18 I am SO GLAD you included that Jago Hazzard reference!!
@JayForeman
Жыл бұрын
Not just a Jago Hazzard reference, Jago Hazzard himself in the flesh!
@billylardner
Жыл бұрын
@@JayForeman Oh wow, thought it was dubbed! Brilliant!
@dubble-bubble
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jay for this amazing episode! *I knew I should have prayed to the Map Gods!*
@hinesecitizen
Жыл бұрын
@Jау Fоrеman 🅥 Hello Mr Fake Foreman!
@pooletrainboy
Жыл бұрын
@@hinesecitizen Hello fake Nelson.
@dubble-bubble
Жыл бұрын
@chad007. I'm not a bot. Try directing it towards fake jay.
@hinesecitizen
Жыл бұрын
@@pooletrainboy Hello Mr Fake Figs. Your pfp is a plane!
@AntonKulikov
Жыл бұрын
Came for the tube map history, stayed for the VPN ad! Excellent work on all fronts, as always!
@XaloGunner
Жыл бұрын
9:36 My wife and I visited London and the UK for the first time a few years ago and not having to use international data/mobile service (we're Unitedstatesians) and being able to have a physical map to navigate the Tube was a godsend.
@rxquettes402
Жыл бұрын
im sorry but "unitedstatesians" LMFAOOOO 💀💀💀💀🤚
@sangyoonsim
Жыл бұрын
Jay is my favorite type of bird to watch in the morning, or night, or any time of the day...
@benedettobruno1669
Жыл бұрын
8:38 "Would send Harry Beck rotating 45 Degrees in his grave". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@comrade3813
Жыл бұрын
the fact that I just realised Jago was playing Harry Beck and this is basically his face reveal feels like some incredible plot twist.
@hyperos1864
5 ай бұрын
answering all the questions on the hong kong map a year later: the orange line has to interchange with the pink line at sunny bay while the turquoise line bypasses these stations which answers the question about the turquoise line skipping some stations as it is the airport express.
@michaeljohnson9421
Жыл бұрын
On a trip to New York some years ago I found the Subway map such a confusing mish-mash that I sat up all night trying to design a London-style diagrammatic version. Then I visited the New York Transit Museum and discovered that this had already been done - and rejected on the grounds that it made everything look far too complicated. But yes, the London map is going down the far-too-complicated route itself these days. It now has nine (count 'em, NINE) zones - or ten, if you include the weird Zone 2/3, a distinctly separate thing from Zone 2 or Zone 3, which exists for no apparent reason. It looks like the Zoning Committee had a massive argument between the Zone Two-ers and the Zone Three-ites, which they could only resolve by fudging up a kind of neutral territory which counts as both zones and neither.
@Kinitawowi
Жыл бұрын
They wanted the new developments in east London (particularly Stratford) to be in the same zone as Canary Wharf, basically. (Without knocking it out of the east end of the DLR. I used to live in Custom House (zone 3) and would walk to Canning Town (zone 2/3) because it was cheaper to go to central London from there.)
@beth12svist
Жыл бұрын
That reminds me a lot of what happened in Prague recently. See, they simplified it! Everywhere you go in Prague it's just Prague! Simple! Easy! Well, except for when you're not from Prague and come to Prague with the expanded Prague integrated system from outside of Prague, in which case the same stop can be two or maybe even three different zones (I'm not even sure now) depending on which mode of public transport you're using. How many zones exactly are you using up if you switch between modes of transport? No idea. I think even the conductors on the trains aren't sure.
@misterthegeoff9767
Жыл бұрын
Most people's response to me telling them I live in Zone 8 is "there's a zone 8 now?". By most measures I am not even *in* London.
@absolutcabbagery3661
Жыл бұрын
You're gonna love the new one! They did their best to find a compromise between geography and the barebones line, I think it worked out pretty decent
@sodinc
Жыл бұрын
@@beth12svist i remember having 180 stations and no zones in my city. But than some outside-going railways got integrated with the metro and there are zoned. And there 241 stations now (without these additional railways). It got confusing for me now. On other hand - i don't think i will live here for long now.
@asneakyninja1_
Жыл бұрын
it still is crazy awesome to me the amount of people you collab with for these, and how many i seem to recognize when they appear
@beth12svist
Жыл бұрын
I tend not to recognise most of them, but it's still awesome.
@beth12svist
Жыл бұрын
@Real Aiglon For me, someone who has no idea who any of these people are, what's amazing about it is simply the wide cast of characters that makes these videos so lively and fun!
@madeleine61509
Жыл бұрын
As someone who used to get the tube as a local and now just uses it as a tourist, I think it still very much has a place. It might be because I already have a decent understanding of it, but I much prefer looking through the tube map to see where to go than using any app. Once you have wrapped your head around it and learned some of the basic lines, it can sometimes be faster than unlocking your phone, finding the app, and typing in the station names. Not to mention, if you're already in the tube, you have no access to internet in order to use those apps, so you need to use a normal tube map. It's better to just acclimate yourself to it than to rely on an app and then flounder when you don't have it. For tourists, it allows you to customize. For a trip to London, there's so much crammed in the one city that it is better to be creative with things rather than strictly going from A to B, then later backtracking to go to C, then going back past B to get to D, etc. I do think they should separate some aspects of it. Is anyone actually getting River Bus services to get from point A to B in London? No, so why is it on a map for transportation? Sure, it might be a lovely thing to do, but so are most of the sights in London. Why isn't the British Museum marked on there? Or the V&A? Or the London Eye? Or Elizabeth Tower and Houses of Parliament? Equally, the Overground is a big enough line at this point to have its own separate map. On the Overground map (which would inherently be less cluttered than the general Tube map), you could have special markings to denote that the station is shared with the Underground, but otherwise, it's not very necessary. They just don't want to do that because then the Overground would make less money.
@kaitlyn__L
Жыл бұрын
@cindybin2001 hey at least you’re honest about only wanting to be around white people
@kaitlyn__L
Жыл бұрын
Ugh I know, the DLR, Overground, and Trams should get their own maps with their own line colours. They have a National Rail connection symbol, so why not similar for those? You say why not have various museums marked, but I’d go far as to say why not have the bus routes if they want to be consistent! I will admit the first time I used the DLR I only knew about it because of the unified map, but honestly there’s still a place for the very large unified maps, it’s just no good for the pocket one. As evidenced by how the map which ALSO incorporates the national rail services is only available in some stations. Why are the other TfL modes not part of the other in that schema for the Tube map? And if they want a completionist map, then it’s insufficient. As you say though, it’s all about advertising TfL services and not advertising the others’. I hate when business reasons win against public utility reasons…
@banjopiggottwright1802
Жыл бұрын
London should either adopt what we do in Sydney, and have a separate map for all Light Rail/Tram services, as well as have the Overground lines in different colours (like you mentioned), making the London Tube map solely a map for Trains whilst having a London Tram map in the same style for all non-train services (i.e. DLR and Tram). However, the much better option would be to appoint one of the designers that you showed to design the tube map to make it both useful and beautiful (as you put it). As all of London's Rail Networks are all interconnected and complement each other making a commute via. Public Transport in London so much easier compared to other cities around the world, the whole system (including the map itself) would suffer without any one of those rail networks in use (or displayed on the tube map). Great video as always Jay.
@Soguwe
Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, that proud lil smirk to the side at 4:15 got me So adorable
@Fists91
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit, I was happy enough with an Australian city being mentioned but a cameo from Dan Illic playing Dame Edna as the boss of Sydney subway was top shelf
@DandamanV
Жыл бұрын
Thought I recognised Dan Illic there!
@cereal_chick2515
Жыл бұрын
I never use a planner to get around on the Tube; I always look at the map and manually plot out my journey. Sure, a planner would find the most efficient route and do it quicker, but there's no comparison to the joy of tracing out a route by eye. It makes the journey more satisfying too.
@Snowshowslow
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Plus, it gives you orientation in the city. :)
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
Жыл бұрын
I just think it's neat.
@RagdyAndy
Жыл бұрын
10:07 yeah until you see the ticket price.....
@LordHeath1972
Жыл бұрын
1:31 "..... and [bleep] Fosters" - That was genius!
@rachelcarre9468
Жыл бұрын
It’s like a Who’s Who of British KZitemrs! Great to see Tim and Jago. I can’t wait for the next one where Tom Scott is the Duke of Edinburgh and Drachinifel is a captain of the Woolwich Ferry. Maybe even James Hoffman could be the hot beverage person at 55 Broadway! Excited!
@sergeychistov8162
Жыл бұрын
"rotated 45 degrees in his grave" made my day!
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
hahaha that cracked me up.
@JonathanMaddox
Жыл бұрын
His grave marked with my day of birth as his day of death made me a little sad.
@JohnSmithShields
7 ай бұрын
8:20 your wish has been granted
@SiVlog1989
Жыл бұрын
I find the current (circa 2022) tube map just an overload of information crammed into the official map. There's so much crammed in that something will have to give eventually and inadvertently TFL themselves may have the answer. On the maps sections of their website is an unofficial Overground only map, which shows where different Overground routes intersect and in cases where connections with the Tube are available (such as Euston, Liverpool Street, Richmond, Upminster, Barking etc) the tube lines where interchange is available are shown in the official colour of the line in a box. This map is much easier to read and is a throwback to Harry Beck's original intention, make it easier to show what interchanges are available and where. As for the Fare Zones, especially with the opening of the Battersea Power Station extension of the Charing Cross Branch of the Northern Line (where TFL inexplicably put it in Zone 1 when the area surrounding the 2 new stations are Zone 2 (or at least would be), it's a bit of a mess I feel
@SiVlog1989
Жыл бұрын
@WitSystem I know those sorts of images aren't going to disappear from your memory, but the biggest comfort that can be drawn from the aftermath of that terrible day is that due to the recommendations of the Fennel Report, such a catastrophic situation won't happen again (wooden escalators have been replaced with metal one, the build up of dirty grease doesn't occur any more as the escalators are maintained much more frequently, the other materials that burnt that evening, like the paints and tiles in the ticket hall, have been replaced and most importantly, smoking is completely banned on the Underground, being strictly enforced by TFL and station staff)
@comicus01
Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering why not two maps? One with the Underground, Overground, DLR, etc, and one that's just the Underground? You would probably still need to show the central section of the Elizabeth Line, but otherwise you could pare it down, it would probably work well for most tourists.
@SiVlog1989
Жыл бұрын
@comicus01 that's kind of what I have in mind. The Overground has so many lines now that it warrants its own map I feel. When you're on the Overground, you are bound to wonder where you want to change on to the Underground, DLR or whatever, so having the lines of the Overground and the interchanges in the appropriately coloured information box next to the connector blob, will make it much easier to read when you're on the Overground and without the Overground on the Tube map, it'll make it a lot tidier I feel
@worldcomicsreview354
Жыл бұрын
@@comicus01 Tokyo and Osaka both have seperate maps for "underground" and "overground". But then those are run by different companies. City-only maps usually have representations of the other lines, and important stations on them, in thin black lines as a "background". Mind you I used to have an unofficial Osaka map that showed the Subway, JR, and all of the privately-run third party railways, and whoever made that had done a spectacular job.
@comicus01
Жыл бұрын
@@SiVlog1989 Yes, a separate Overground map is probably a good idea. I forget if it was Jay in the video or someone here in the comments, but someone had the good suggestion of making each of the Overground lines different colors. It's definitely confusing to look at, and very hard to understand how it actually operates, if looking at a Tube map. If I look up the individual lines on wikipedia, then it makes more sense. Giving it it's own separate map would actually allow the use of multiple colors. No more colors available to use on the current Tube map. Another map idea: Have one that is strictly Zone 1. Maybe a little of zone 2. I think the vast majority of tourists/visitors stay in Zone 1, and don't leave it unless traveling to an airport (so have a small inset along one side of the map for a close up of each airport). That would free up more space. I know the two times I visited, I think the only times I left Zone 1 were to go to Heathrow when leaving, a day trip to Bath, and maybe when I visited the Greenwich Observatory. I was initially confused by the bus maps you see on the street at bus stops... they only show the routes that stop there or pass nearby. I still have no idea what in the world the London bus route system looks like (extremely confusing I'm sure). But they got it right with that: keep it simple to the appropriate maps.
@aurigo_tech
Жыл бұрын
In 2013 I thought A LOT about this topic and eventually created what I think is the optimal tube map for Berlin (sorry London, but it is the same issue there). The problem with the existing map is that it looks overly complicated because the lines drawn for the train lines still try to resemble real geography somewhat sometimes despite the fact that for a passenger all what matters is the relative locations of stations to each other, rather than their location. So my principle behind it was to reduce the number of bends in each line drawn to the lowest possible, while keeping the relations of the stations and lines to each other of course. That way I could reduce the bends in the lines massively from 37 for all underground-stations to 7 (and similar for all overground lines which are in the same map). Combined with the introduction of some graphical improvements like more important stations where more lines intersect getting larger symbols and introducing dotted lines for underground lines and normal lines for overground ones (because they often have similar colours) created a far easier to read map I think. Ultimately this could also be implemented in an algorithm and solved for every city because train lines are well defined by how many stations they have and where they intersect with another line. But that is beyond my coding abilities, so I solved it manually for Berlin only. Unfortunately YT seems to forbit posting links, so I can not really share it here. Can be found on my website zuender.org > Work > DIY though.
@adavidmezei
Жыл бұрын
Great map. Nice work. Feedback: I think the font could be more readable. Station markers are not on the middle and the border could be thicker. Some lines intersect in a funky way for example Bolnholmer str. and sometimes there is extra space between the lines. I would remove most unnecessary bends and just connect them straight to the station marker. The choice of colours resemble the communist era. Initially I thought U7 ia a river - sorry I don't know Berlin 🤤 Besides these points your map is on point.
@aurigo_tech
Жыл бұрын
@@adavidmezei Thanks! I chose the font because it is similar to old Berlin streetname signs, but sure it could be a bit more readable. Some stations are hard to draw and compromises have to be made. Bornholmer Str. was such a thing. It has this two lines S2 and S8 that split up to two additional lines S25/S85 and make it more complicated. In the official plan the splitting happens after Bornholmer Str. but I think this was a unnessesary complication as that doesn't matter for the passenger. In the official plan there are a lot more lines drawn there anyway with no additional information. Regarding bends I think I reached the absolute minimum in the u-bahn-only plan. I had to compromise a little bit here and there to fit in overground (S-Bahn) lines together with the U-Bahn, but it should be really close to the absolute minimum still.
@adavidmezei
Жыл бұрын
@@aurigo_tech Yes, I understood the challenge that station had. I also understand the font choice. Consistency is key. Here is my take on the problem: i.kek.sh/izClU4N4ffk.png What do you think?
@aurigo_tech
Жыл бұрын
@@adavidmezei You introduce sharp corners there or allow for direction change in a station. It does look a bit cleaner regarding the stations but I tried to avoid that as much as possible because one of my rules was that a line could enter and leave station only in the same angle (or as close as possible if a direction change is unavoidable), so the eye can follow right through a station. It was a bit tricky with S8/S85 and S2/S25 in that case, so yeah perhaps your solution is better there. If we just allow for more lines to leave a station at a different angle, then of course moving the crossing between S1 and S25 to the station makes sense as well. Oh and the thicker signs for the lines' names are a big improvement as well! In any case I feel honoured that someone thinks about the same problems I had and uses my map somehow. Well done! :)
@EddieBeeLink
Жыл бұрын
First of all: I LOVE THIS. I think it would take me some time to get used to the Ringbahn not being a regular "circle" anymore but that's just a matter of time. I also really really appreciate that u removed unnecessary turns and sharp angles for the lines - like S1 is now running smoothly from Rathaus Steglitz to Wannsee 💕. Oh, and U9 being a straight line now? *Chef's kiss* However, I do have one tiny design problem: sometimes when the lines are running parallel to each other they touch each other and sometimes there's a tiny gap between them (see: S1 + S2 vs. S8 + S9, or at corners like Landsberger Allee). But that's just a tiny thing.
@jennyd255
Жыл бұрын
Actually apropos of collaborations, I think we need a mega video featuring Tim Traveller, Jay Foreman, Jago Hazzard, Tom Scott, Geoff Marshall, Paul & Rebecca Whitewick, and Pete and his Bus. Someone please "make it so!"
@Zachruff
Жыл бұрын
As someone from Toronto its a bit sad seeing our bare bones ass line with like no interconnections compared to all these other amazing networks :(
@thanbo
Жыл бұрын
NYC tried a straight lines map in the early 1970s, by Massimo Vignelli, and it was almost universally reviled. The large number of parallel lines in any given route tended to confuse. John Tauranac's somewhat more natural-shaped map was a great improvement.
@jomo9454
Жыл бұрын
I was in London a couple of weeks around the turn of the century and the tube map worked quite well for me, I never got lost on the tube, but the few times I used a bus I ended up in random locations and had to find a tube to get where I wanted. I ended up only using the buses when I wanted to sit up top and just see things with no plan.
@theITGuy-no3nt
Жыл бұрын
In the early 1990's I graduated GA Tech and lived in downtown Atlanta, GA. I had no car and was 100% dependent on the trains and buses of the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) and their maps. The was something like 35 stations on five major lines and a preposterous number of bus routes. I would look up my destination on the big, folding MARTA map, work out which bus led to the nearest Metro station, then look up that bus line in the shoe box of bus schedules I kept for just that purpose.
@flyanotherday_original
Жыл бұрын
I am so pleased that Jay referenced the invention of the 45° angle in the 1590s - why is no one talking about the isosceles right triangle crisis during the reign of Elizabeth I
@nowster
Жыл бұрын
It was indeed an oblique reference.
@flyanotherday_original
Жыл бұрын
@@nowster What an acute observation
@Danny-mv9qj
Жыл бұрын
THAT'S JAGO HAZZARD - I NEVER KNEW
@jameshart1114
5 ай бұрын
Well well well, the Overground has indeed now been split into different colours and names. You got your wish.
@robb2mus
Жыл бұрын
Agree. Jago Hazzard's cameo was a real treat!
@Ribeirasacra
Жыл бұрын
he no longer can hide behind a voice over. 🤣
@madingthree
Жыл бұрын
Jay has managed to do the impossible: get viewers to actively watch and enjoy his sponsored segments
@Alex-cw3rz
Жыл бұрын
I'm just going to pretend every Jago Hazzard video he's wearing those glasses, while reading the script
@dryalga4000
2 ай бұрын
On your comment to the Tokyo subway map that giving every station a specific code: No it is not. Knowing which station you needed based on code instead of a name that is written both in Japanese Hiragana and Kanji (and thus Chinese) as well as Korean and English made stuff really easy to find.
@damascus6478
Жыл бұрын
Very informative. I never knew what Jago looked like before. As for the map, I love having the zones on there because it costs £12.80 to go from Heathrow to Zone 1 yet if you get off at Earl's Court and then right back on the total cost is only £4.40. Needed to know where that zone change was.
@woodcider
Жыл бұрын
**takes notes**
@МатвейТесёмников
Жыл бұрын
Let's just take a moment to appreciate such small details like fictional dates in Barmans letters to Beck, astonishing job!
@JdeBP
Жыл бұрын
They were still sometimes giving the number as Abbey 1234 up until 1970.
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