Imagine your kid ended up with mutant superpowers & you send him off to Professor Xavier's School For The Gifted & think you're giving him a better life then you look on TV one day to see Juggernaut throwing him through a building.
@t.a6159
3 жыл бұрын
Lolz
@Sophia-vk5bq
3 жыл бұрын
And then Mrs Shapiro turns to Ben and says “See? I told you I should have been allowed to have an abortion!”
@zainmudassir2964
3 жыл бұрын
@@t.a6159 I like your user name.
@t.a6159
3 жыл бұрын
@@zainmudassir2964 thanks...
@davidd.6448
3 жыл бұрын
that's probably the best case scenario. In real life Professor X would be Jimmy Saville X
@tormunnvii3317
3 жыл бұрын
The early medieval period, just when lords started to get plate armour, was the closest real-world analogy to having superheroes. Unless you could mob them, a fully plated, well trained knight on horseback was immune to ranged fire, and effectively most melee weapons that a peasant was likely to have access to. Also, a properly trained swordsman could reliably defeat multiple untrained fighters.
@simpsonman956
2 жыл бұрын
The kind of mercenary/warlord superbeings society Vaush describes is almost exactly how the advent of the samurai class in Japan played out. Rich, important people hired samurai, whoever had the most samurai became the ruling daimyo of a province, the strongest daimyo became the shogun. "And we'll even let the emperor live in a nice house and dress like an emperor"
@houseoftoussaint9609
2 жыл бұрын
Until the CROSSBOW! Then those tin fucks could eat dirt by a mere peasant. Anyone can be a soldier with proper firearms.
@psychopunk8817
Жыл бұрын
The battle of Agincourt would beg to differ about that whole "immune to arrows" thing. Oh and Caltrops still exist so you know that would ruin your day too.
@boianko
Жыл бұрын
The problem for that analogy is that a knight isn't always in their armor, so they're still vulnerable to assassination. It also takes them a long time to actually get into gear, with it being almost impossible for them to do it alone.
@andrewgreenwood9068
Жыл бұрын
@@psychopunk8817that was much later than the early mediaeval period.
@calebmon
3 жыл бұрын
"Why wouldn't they just use tier 2 weapons on tier 1 enemies it would make it easier" actually it probably wouldn't, there's a reason we don't use tank shells to attack personel and still use machine guns ect for that, the weapons are designed for specific types of threats basically.
@Tacklepig
3 жыл бұрын
Also, at least in superhero stories, quite often the "street level" villains have powers that could be devastating if they focused on a larger scale, so everyone's quite happy that they're focused in their little local squabbles.
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tacklepig basically molecule man used to be this
@g40oz
3 жыл бұрын
Another reason, it's a fucking waste of resources. When you really need the tier 2 weapon, you'll would have expense most of it on tier 1 threats.
@SvenDzahov
3 жыл бұрын
Logistically, while yes the Germans couldve sent a panzer division every time there was a tavern of poles who revolted - it doesn’t make sense as you said. It’s way less cost effective, wastes materials, and is allocatively inefficient. Plus, if someone runs up on you and shoots you, you have little notice. Its very obvious when say, an attack helicopter is hovering overhead.
@calebmon
3 жыл бұрын
@@SvenDzahov well I don't mean to be one of those people but actually, an attack helicopter could shoot you from so far away you wouldn't even know it was them doing it, but the point still stands it would be a waste of resources to use anti tank shells on a random person lol
@comradekolbot2220
3 жыл бұрын
“Who deserves what is irrelevant. What matters is..WHO…HAS…POWER.”-Thrawn
@seamon9732
3 жыл бұрын
Classic darkside Thrawn.
@whodis2053
3 жыл бұрын
Sigma Thrawn
@christianpain7380
Жыл бұрын
@@meinleiben2043 bro go back to 90's bruh you past your prime bro seriously said 👴:nerd. 😂😂😂😂😂
@revenge3265
3 жыл бұрын
On portals, he's completely right. Imagine someone instantly opening and then closing a portal around your head. Doesn't matter how strong someone is, they're just fucked lmao.
@222pichu
3 жыл бұрын
I have a character in my personal writing who is a small and physically weak childlike goddess of the universal pantheon, representing the concept of chaos, and because her mental state cannot progress beyond that of a 12 year olds in like, ability to comprehend things, like she’ll never mature (albeit can gain worldly wise ness of seeing things and slowly building a weird wisdom over billions of years of existing) anyway she can and has killed people in defense of mortals she’s trying to make friends with and because shes a sweet little kid she opens a portal and swipes it across them and opens its pair portal at the bottom of an abyss somewhere and then just *doesnt think about it that hard*, now the problem is over her friend is safe and she buries the rising upset over having had to do that. Its incredibly fun writing her and character reactions to her.
@MA-jn7rd
3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Strange literally did that but with a hand in Infinity war
@revenge3265
3 жыл бұрын
@@222pichu Sounds pretty cool! But yeah, teleporters can either take lethal chunks out of people or just send people to somwhere that essentially guarantees death. Of course, I wouldn't mind if it was balanced but the idea of lethal portals characters is barely touched upon. The latest one I can think of is the brother of one of the characters in Black Clover. With his power, he would essentially swipe at you with portals that would instantly transport anything it touches and immediately close it afterwards, essentially just instant deleting people or objects it touches.
@crerul
3 жыл бұрын
I mean if you can make portals just make an in and out portal above each other and put waterwheel's' powering a generator there for infinite clean energy. If you have a portal size limit use a material with a higher specific gravity. Or just grab some valuable moonrocks. The people with the strongest powers would all be preserving society. I mean they can get everything they want legally. There is a character in an ecchi manga thing Mato Seihei no Slave who just teleports another character to the bottom of the ocean and kills them instantly. They are also fully on the side of the government, because I mean they get everything they want anyway from society.
@bankerpiggy4721
2 жыл бұрын
1) Opens portal 2) Throws bomb through 3) Gg well played.
@gfox-ck5xx
3 жыл бұрын
"Despots aren't bullet proof" is a raw-ass line
@thebigreddub
3 жыл бұрын
If you have precise enough control over the ability to teleport things, you could teleport different atoms next to each other and create materials seemingly from nothing.
@StevoPL
3 жыл бұрын
This could be used to cause nuclear explosions
@RolaiEckolo
3 жыл бұрын
@@StevoPL Teleport matter of highly varying masses straight into each other. That shit could put some sizable dents in the landscaping.
@davidtrujillo1689
3 жыл бұрын
You could basically erase all state structures by teleporting high power explosives to every government parlament in the world
@devforfun5618
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidtrujillo1689 you could teleport part of the building away and make it crumble
@Kloutkulture
3 жыл бұрын
That’s matter manipulation. You would basically be omnipotent.
@KainMalice
3 жыл бұрын
She sounds like Gaara. Carrying around his magical backpack of sand.
@MrGksarathy
3 жыл бұрын
Watch the magic metal actually respond to the will of a deceased loved one, then she'd be even more like Gaara.
@FelisImpurrator
3 жыл бұрын
I don't like sand... It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
@tobysmith2081
3 жыл бұрын
Gaara's sand gourd vs girl with sand in backpack
@rikospostmodernlife
3 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the metal benders in Korra?
@denzelwenzel
3 жыл бұрын
@@FelisImpurrator What do you mean "everywhere"? Are you saying sand is like oxygen? Are we breathing sand right? Ani I'm scared😨
@luckysevenow1872
3 жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, the idea of immortal superhumans only consistently killable by large-scale military bombardment plays out in Destiny, and they almost immediately became warlords after an alien invasion destroyed most of human civilization, similar to what Vaush expected. Realistically, I can't see individual humans *ever* responsibly handling power like that, and I'd expect it to end badly every time.
@angusmarch1066
3 жыл бұрын
"Vaush is right because in Destiny..." great argument.
@lsmmoore1
3 жыл бұрын
Given that humans don't consistently make a habit of smashing anthills past the age of like ten or so, I think you'd find that a lot would responsibly handle their powers. After all, compared to ants, we basically are unstoppable, and yet somehow people still manage not to always mistreat ants for shitsandgiggles. Likely there would be folks out there trying to form a new social order and doing what they can to stop the bad superpowered individuals. And they'd be in conflict with the power abusers. Sort of like the way Jim Browning, a KZitemr, does IRL by stopping and undermining scammers with his own advanced hacking skills.
@codedword692
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to see this argument - Destiny isn't the only media that touches on the idea of superpowers and human morality... The philosophical idea is that people act in their own interests due to survival motivations, which means that a system that teaches people that food is scarce and money must be used to survive would result in that outcome with supers... because their motivation is still engaged to have to get money/food/property for survival. Taking that point, in a system that promoted interdependency on fellow workers to build and produce for a communal survival *might* result in a different outcome since the super would have less of a survival mentality to how they could use their powers - potentially turning into a communal leader or defender (perhaps labeled warlord by outside threats), but not being the villain to their community because they don't need to steal or murder for their individual survival. Superpowers definitely still create an unjust hierarchy that is hard to balance regardless of the morality.
@Astro2024
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, you could consider nukes to be real-life superpowers. We haven't blown up in almost 100 years since they were introduced
@luckysevenow1872
3 жыл бұрын
@@codedword692 In some sense, that's also sort of what happened. I'm not implying Destiny was the only media that it happened in, it was just a fitting example that came to mind at the time. It was certainly not helped by every guardian losing their memories of their lives before rebirth as a pawn of the light. In line with what you're getting at, after the Iron Lords got together and put down most of the Risen Warlords, the Guardians eventually became the stewards of humanity under the Traveler in the last safe city. While I see what you're getting at in that it would basically liberate an individual from the concerns of those around them and enable them to benefit their community in ways no one else would, I can't see *real world humans* actually being responsible with it. I mean, even the nicest, most responsible humans have bad days, and when you can destroy entire city blocks with little effort, bad days aren't allowed. Shit, I can look at just about any comment section on the internet for about a minute and determine that "yeah humans aren't ready for the ability to ignore death and toss miniature stars as grenades".
@KingOpenReview
3 жыл бұрын
That point that he made toward the end about portals could be applied to most powers. Anything becomes op when extended to its logical conclusion for free. Earth control: You could instantly pull people standing on the ground to the center of the earth. Water control: All users should be bloodbenders capable of instakilling most organic enemies, even at low levels. Electromagnetism: You can control basically anything anyone cares about. Super speed: Unless someone perfect stealth kills you, you will never take hits, hits from you can never be avoided, and objects you throw are micrometeors.
@l_galand942
3 жыл бұрын
Electromagnetism also allows you to completely control brains
@miaconnor5767
3 жыл бұрын
Electromagnetism is even stronger than that. Electromagnetism is what holds atomic nuclei and the electrons together, and is responsible for intermolecular forces. So if you removed or massively weakened it within someones body, then they'd either A: Detonate, with the force of a strong chemical explosion, or B: Melt into a puddle of their constituent atoms. It would be an insta-kill on literally any superhero, no matter how strong, unless they had the exact same powers as you and could protect themselves by doing the inverse. You could one hit superman because even he is made of atoms, and you control how those atoms stick together if you control electromagnetism.
@thek2despot426
3 жыл бұрын
@@miaconnor5767 Small correction: The Strong and Weak forces are what keep nuclei together. The positive charges of protons cause the Electromagnetic force to act against the Strong and Weak forces by repelling them from each other. But you are correct that if you increased or decreased the Electromagnetic force on anyone or anything, you could obliterate it at a subatomic level.
@eto512
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine the power to convert mass into energy
@miaconnor5767
3 жыл бұрын
@@thek2despot426 Oooh okay, didn't know what held the Nuclei themselves together. What I was trying to say in my original comment was that the electromagnetic force kept the electrons in their orbit around the nuclei, hence mentioning the chemical explosion, though I phrased it awfully. Plus I'm not actually 100% you would get an explosion from the atoms losing their electrons if it was done by removing the electromagnetic force. I definitely don't know enough to say on that aspect. And I didn't know how the actual nuclei was kept together so that's interesting to learn too ^^ But yeah the ability to control electromagnetic forces would just be kinda nuts. I am actually really curious what would happen if it was increased. Both at a macroscopic and atomic level really.
@uniball5667
3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Shopping Cart analogy. There's no actual material incentive to return a Shopping cart to the corrals. It's not illegal, it's not against store rules, the only thing determining your decision is your own morality. I always return the Shopping cart so it's easier for the guy who has to collect them. But what if it was all automated? Well I probably wouldn't give a shit. I think cinematic universe's should explore the morality of super heroes more. The only one I can think of is Watchmen.
@devforfun5618
3 жыл бұрын
the famous moral dilema of spiderman, is that he is a hero because he can, at a huge personal cost to him, what makes dr manhatan different from other heroes is that he can see the future at all times, and knows how pointless anything is, superman on the other hand can see everything, but only in the present, that is how he has hope, he doesn't know what will happen, be he sees all the possibilities
@Roxanneredpanda
3 жыл бұрын
There is a shopping cart in front of my work right now, and I kinda wish it was illegal
@Yes_Fantasy_419
3 жыл бұрын
There's also Garth Ennis "The Boys" where all superhumans are created by a corporation called "Vought America" using a Nazi drug called "Compound V". Vought America wants to sell superhumans to the military.
@elizabethadelheid5935
3 жыл бұрын
Between this and his story about the superhero girl with the huge strong arm, I wish he'd put some of it to paper. Sounds really interesting
@luciferiarose465
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush, are you familiar with worm? The setting is literally in the process of collapsing utterly into anarchy as superhuman beings begin to form war-lord states. Also there's an Eldritch entity out to eat everyone but that's not as relevant. Edit: Vaush is in fact just describing worm. The PRT's classification of meta-humans by threat required to take them down, Taylor's conquest of her home city to keep order... I get Vaush is annoyed by the comparison. But it's there.
@andrewf8366
3 жыл бұрын
I was also thinking it sounded similar.
@VoltieBird
2 жыл бұрын
Literally everything he says is like exactly describing Worm. Like his thing about using portals offensively; Unicorn makes forcefields, not portals, but she can completely bisect a person by creating a forcefield where their torso is.
@Ryukuro
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's the sense I got lol. He should just read Worm. Sure it's 1.6 million words but he's a twitch streamer so he's got time.
@blindey
8 ай бұрын
ayyy a worm enjoyer! Hell yeah.
@KayLee-lw5iv
5 ай бұрын
you introduced me to Wildbow's work and i have reread just worm three times-- thank you thank you thank you i came back to this video just to say this you're a hero
@isaac_marcus
3 жыл бұрын
Idk why, but this made me think a fun super character would be someone on that tier 1/tier 2 level of strength/durability, but their super power is just invisible arms. Like right at the shoulder they are invisible. Their fighting style would be dependent on working out their arms as much as possible, and to only move their arms and not telegraph where the actual attack is. If you wanted to scale them up you could have them learn to make more of their bodies invisible. Imagine a mostly invisible person, who you catch a glimpse of them, but that glimpse was an intentional distraction while they kick you in the taint
@Tacklepig
3 жыл бұрын
That's...not really a fun character, you could literally just shoot them in the face and kill them.
@3soteriic
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tacklepig you could do the same thing with a ton of popular superheroes but that doesn't make them any less fun
@devforfun5618
3 жыл бұрын
i thought about that recently, when i discovered reed richards made the extra 4 arms spiderman had invisisible, if spiderman kept the arms invisible he would be able to grab and punch enemies witout they ever knowing what he is doing because untill that point spiderman only had 2 arms, it would look like short distance telekinesis, basically the vectors from elfen lied
@giovannidjango
3 жыл бұрын
Elfen lied
@Roxanneredpanda
3 жыл бұрын
That's actually really funny but cool at the same time
@EkkieEkk
3 жыл бұрын
Astro City is a super good example of a superhero story that delves into way more grounded storylines, like someone who runs a support group for people that suffered superhero related losses, or a superhero helping someone realize their identity as a trans woman, and my favorite story was about a former two bit criminal getting out of jail and trying to rehabilitate himself and stay out of trouble. Would reccomend for vaush or anyone else
@lopoa126
3 жыл бұрын
The Boys toooooooooooo
@unclescipio3136
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush geeking out about this is so wholesome.
@atropabelladonna
3 жыл бұрын
He's literally describing the Jessica Jones' sister storyline. Jessica Jones is such a good series.
@mikeyx2526
3 жыл бұрын
Instead of calling them tier 6, you could just call them sigmas 😂
@scubatablemallcop3804
3 жыл бұрын
Horoscopes for men are based, jk lol
@Colleywoodstudios
3 жыл бұрын
"I am sigma!" "sigma who?" "SIGMA BALLS!!!!"
@ashwilliams1725
3 жыл бұрын
Sixmas
@syndicalistspeedsolver
3 жыл бұрын
@@Colleywoodstudios dude ive been saying this for like a month but no one understands what im saying 😔
@stephaniewray1020
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush's portal ideas sound like exactly what the Wheel of Time did with gateways.
@thereasonabletroll68
3 жыл бұрын
Rand channeling a countless number of small gateways to destroy a trolloc army will always be one of my favorite "fuuuuuuck" moments
@ASymbolicSymbol
3 жыл бұрын
@@thereasonabletroll68 Only ever read the first book in the series, perhaps I'll finally get my dry eyes and/or ears and look into the other books down the road. Think I stop somewhere around book two.
@krishvids608
3 жыл бұрын
@@ASymbolicSymbol the wheel of time is a great series- if you do read it i'm sure you'll have a blast
@Ironeyes128
3 жыл бұрын
I win again Lews Therin
@16tonw8
3 жыл бұрын
This is basically the entire premise of Worm.
@Doppler-hh5nt
3 жыл бұрын
Was going to comment the same, if only Vaush had the attention span for Worm :( Ig now he's taking Adderall he might be able to, which proves that drugs are indeed fantastic.
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
This is also basically X men
@KylerJones
3 жыл бұрын
Yesss, worm is incredible and easily the most realistic depictions of the idea of superheroes
@MrGksarathy
3 жыл бұрын
Worm's premise is great, it's just so dark that reading it is a struggle. Wildblow sucks all hope out of the narrative bit by bit.
@macil_tech
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Others are mentioning somewhat similar series in comparison but this is literally what Worm is. It basically starts with the initial premise of super-powered warlords, and ... slight spoiler, a major world-changing arc of it involves a character going full-out god-mode in a battle with portals as Vaush describes. The story is so good for actually exploring the possible consequences of superpowers and how that reshapes society instead of doing basic "society plus a few costumed heroes" stuff that Vaush complains about.
@dinodare1605
3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of in Hancock, where he got depressed and eventually went to jail because he personally WANTED to submit himself for his crimes, but at the end of the day just walked out. Because the superhero has all of the actual power. They can't be governed because they can't be forced. They adhere to the law because of their personal moral compass, which is great, but they're still above the law. If a superhero with a power level of say, Superman were to submit to justice, the law would have to treat that normally with the thought in mind that they're really just humouring him.
@EpicPrawn
3 жыл бұрын
I liked that portal powers idea at the end, and I think it would be awesome to write in examples of times that the power backfired which the character learned from in order to become a badass with them. For example, opening a portal in front of them in which someone is ready to fire a weapon on the other end. One time it was a faulty deploy and the gunman injured an innocent person. Another time the portal was deployed too close to the opponent who fired back into the portal injuring or killing the hero's gunman. Anyone writing a similar fiction feel free to steal this, I love storyboarding these kinds of things as a hobby.
@bibsp3556
3 жыл бұрын
Portalled a bus into that playground that one time
@augustgremaud2738
Жыл бұрын
I think the web serial Worm has some interesting ideas regarding powers like portals. Most powers in that universe can’t affect space occupied by living beings due to something called the “Manton Effect”. Anyone whose powers can violate that law is automatically busted. Why not summon a portal to bisect your opponent? Why shoot a fireball at someone when you can immolate them from the inside? You’re toying with some really fun ideas and I think you should run with them.
@masudimohammad4255
3 жыл бұрын
I just realized that in the society he's describing there would be a huge economic collapse or huge shift to something intangible. This is because it's very hard to have faith in a currency that can at any moment be lifted and stolen from a bank en masse by a squad of super humans.
@Tacklepig
3 жыл бұрын
There would also be a huge collapse of everything. You know how superhero fights always cause massive damage to buildings? How do you account for that? Just imagine regular-ass people with powers getting into fights, knocking each other through buildings and shit. How often does that happen until your society collapses because hospitals etc keep getting destroyed?
@quasmoke3553
3 жыл бұрын
That's kinda he's point though. The current society will collapse, and the world will reorganize around the super power stuff. I don't see why you would lose faith in the currency when America, as he described, is being controlled by powerful warlords with strong abilities, and with the feds having the resources to amass even more powerful super power hitmen. Since our real world currency is in huge part backed by countries' military ability to preserve themselves, just treat those warlords and the feds they serve as the aircraft carriers we have, and bang, faith in currency restored.
@FelisImpurrator
3 жыл бұрын
This is why fiat currency is stupid and capitalism is stupid. Real use value is the only value. We'd be better off quantifying it instead of shifting further to make-believe value.
@maximeteppe7627
3 жыл бұрын
I believe the post apocalypse dominated by superpowered warlords is the premise of a the Reckoners, a trilogy of novels written by Brandon Sanderson . In his version I believe the collapse happened because the people who got powers were all evil, rather than an issue of unjust hierarchy created by the mere existence of power and the sheer disruption to the existing order. I havent' read those novels though so I'm not entirely sure. Sanderson is a pretty idealistic guy and while his heart is in the right place, the politics of his worlds and characters often come out as naive or terminally lib.
@devforfun5618
3 жыл бұрын
to be fair we can make totally digital currency right now, if countries wanted to use cryptocurrency it would have all the advantages, it is not how easy it is to steal that matters, it is the fact that magneto or superman could extract all the valuable minerals in the ground by themselves and control the supply that would change the economy, no company would be able to compete with Madrox in amount of unpaid labor because he can make muliple copies of himself, so many superheroes and villains have powers that if they were used comercially they would bankrupt multinationals
@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT
3 жыл бұрын
We call that street level/bullet level in power scaling communities followed by wall level, building level etc and so on
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
Marvel has this particularly with mutants
@TheBiggestMoneyBoy
3 жыл бұрын
That doesn't really change his point?
@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBiggestMoneyBoy I'm just stating the accepted terminology I case he or anyone in the comments are interested
@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT
3 жыл бұрын
@@tyronechillifoot5573 yeah that's pretty much where the rankings originated iirc
@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT
3 жыл бұрын
They do use numbered tiers tho I think 8a is bullet level whereas I believe 5a or 4c is planetary
@AAAAAAA-lq6ku
3 жыл бұрын
"Why wouldn't you just use tier 2 weapons on tier 1 people?" When there's a cockroach in the kitchen, do you hit it with a sandal or shoot it with a 50 cal?
@TeasGuideToThePlanes
Жыл бұрын
Wheel of Time does what he's talking about with portals! The MC opens and closes a portal hundreds of times a second moving it through trolloc (orc analog) hordes, absolutely meat grinding them. A side character opens a portal from the inside of a volcano to a battlefield, covering the front ranks in fresh lava. It's absolutely sick.
@abyssGazerTV
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Vaush chose the Alan Moore interpretation of superhero realism because I agree with it.
@Joseph-sg3jz
3 жыл бұрын
Ok?
@buddingdufus
3 жыл бұрын
People always forget to factor in how much goings into a fight regarding a persons mental state and training. There’s a great quote about in the Witcher(blood of elves) about when someone is asked if they know who the best swordsman is. He responds by a saying that he has no idea, but he dose know where everyone who thought they were the best swordman is, in cemeteries. And that would still apply here. Also people are squishy even if you did somehow make them more durable. It’s not like it’s going to save you from dying from sleep deprivation for example.
@matteomazza6350
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of this discussion reminds me of the Web serial Worm. The warlords, the tiers and the rest are all adressed and played with in it.
@MaestroAlvis
3 жыл бұрын
Just gonna jump in here and say Worm is the best superhero story ever. Vaush: "Society would completely collapse" Worm: yeah, that sounds pretty reasonable, I wonder if anything else is going on... welp, guess you'll just have to read a million words and find out.
@nothugo9207
3 жыл бұрын
1: Put portal at bottom of sea 2:Open portal towards enemy 3: Destruction
@jloiben12
3 жыл бұрын
It would be like some combination of the Watchmen and the boys
@16tonw8
3 жыл бұрын
So Worm?
@BigPapaMitchell
3 жыл бұрын
No, society still functions as normal in both those comics.
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
It'd be Xmen where basically they'll be widely demonized by society at large and hunted and regulated
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't marvel literally do this I mean there's literally entire countries established by super beings like Latveria for or Kranoa
@MrGksarathy
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm not sure. People are better than that.
@kx7500
3 жыл бұрын
He’s forgetting that there are also social consequences to things people are often even more afraid of than physical harm.
@tomtom0157
3 жыл бұрын
that sounds interesting but can u tell me what exactly u mean perhaps? I'm really curious ^^
@digaddog6099
Жыл бұрын
@@tomtom0157 in the boys, Stan Edgar is able to keep homelander in check because homelander is a narcissist who seeks the approval of people like Stan. In a more ideal environment, imagine if there was one super. He had an upbringing by a moral family, basically the superman backstory. A bullet could not stop him from overthrowing the government. But the disapproval of his family, lover, or peers could talk him out of it. I'm pretty sure this happened in injustice.
@tomtom0157
Жыл бұрын
@@digaddog6099 oohhh i see, that makes sense! Ty for answering!
@BLooDCoMPleX
3 жыл бұрын
One thing about portals, opening a portal between two different altitudes, even at a difference of a couple of meters is going to cause massive pressure differences and lead to one way depressurization, basically you have a perpetual wind cannon at your command that can be utilized both as a weapon and maybe more importantly as an infinite energy source.
@chugz6400
3 жыл бұрын
It felt cool hearing Vaush describe something similar to what I wanna write. :) Edit: And Worm apparently.
@guiden1954
3 жыл бұрын
Is worm a book or movie
@crowposting
3 жыл бұрын
@@guiden1954 web series apparently. I plan on reading it right after I finish this video.
@nahuel3433
3 жыл бұрын
Yes and no. Like the superficial stuff he mentioned doesn't look the same. But a lot of what he mentioned is considered and played with. The portal stuff he talked about is especially relevant however.
@simonlee962
3 жыл бұрын
The Reckoners, by Brandon Sanderson. A world ruled by immortal warlords. Great book. I recommend.
@yourewrong9028
3 жыл бұрын
Just finished Rhythm of War a few weeks ago. God damn, does that man write SO MUCH. Haven’t read Reckoners yet, but I plan to at some point.
@simonlee962
3 жыл бұрын
@@yourewrong9028 worth the read imo.
@dgp2024
3 жыл бұрын
if I had a penny for everytime Brandon Sanderson had a world controlled by immortal warlords Id have two pennys, which isn't a lot but it's strange that it happened twice.
@VicStrange9
3 жыл бұрын
@@dgp2024 Brandon Sanderson loves his "god-king" trope. Not a bad thing, per se, but he does some things again and again and again. Stormlight Archive, Legion and Reckoners are somewhat outliers on the sense that he does something he usually doesnt in terms of storytelling and characters, and those are his best books, IMO.
@pixeltrex1144
3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of general powers like portals and telekinesis are just really powerful when you think through what you could really do with it, probably in large part because they're so general and therefore versatile what really makes a power strong, in my opinion, is how versatile it is and what it affects if you can manipulate fire and do any conceivable thing you can imagine with it, thats cool, but the guy that can just pause time and nothing else can kick your ass because he affects the battlefield more than you, and consequently has more versatility power increases with versatility and how much you can affect the battlefield
@FlowWolf7
Жыл бұрын
Vaush describes Worm without realizing it
@KylerJones
3 жыл бұрын
It is so weirdly frustrating to hear him essentially describe the premise of Worm without knowing it
@MrMoorfrosch
3 жыл бұрын
The important difference and his point would be that all of society would immediately collapse and reform, basically becoming a dystopian hellscape. Ambivalent super heroes are nothing new, the vulnerability of all of civilization to them is.
@venusharuna4187
3 жыл бұрын
Worm?
@flashbang678
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrMoorfrosch After Arc 8 that's pretty much what Brockton Bay is.
@flashbang678
3 жыл бұрын
@@venusharuna4187 It's a really good really long web serial about superheroes, such a good read, would highly recommend.
@specialknees6798
3 жыл бұрын
@@venusharuna4187 it’s a fucking 1.7 million word Homerian epic and probably the best superhero story ever told.
@Rawr1752
3 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of powers that people don't really explore, so I really enjoyed him talking about about Portals and using them. It reminded me of some of my thoughts about illusory/perception based powers, and how obscene those can get. You can functionally just overwrite person's senses, making them see exactly what you want them to see. In a fight you could be functionally untouchable by altering a person's sense of time or any other number of possibilities. There's a lot to explore with less common powers.
@voiceofreason467
3 жыл бұрын
The problem with all of this is that he doesn't acknowledge that a lot of systems wielding and a lot of systems influence requires people to be fundamentally capable of being responsible with their power and influence.
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
Also he seems to think having power means you know how to use it
@Rkiser0592
3 жыл бұрын
@@tyronechillifoot5573 that is obviously assumed in the hypothetical...once again reaching into stories that you've heard where "people don't understand their powers" like we aren't talking about Kitty Pride...this is a hypothetical discussion lol
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rkiser0592 well you have to take this into according for example molecule man was literally on the level of the beyonders but wasn't truly aware until a much smarter Villian Doom explained to him he could basically rewrite matter on a sub Atomic level or characters like sentry of blue marvel
@transquelaag
3 жыл бұрын
@@tyronechillifoot5573 so it just takes learning to use them? I don't think this really matters
@Surikoazimaet
3 жыл бұрын
@@transquelaag What other guy is trying to tell is just because you have _____ doesn't mean you grasp _____'s potential even if you wiggle your hand a thousand times. Just to use Jojo: The friend of the MC in part 4 with the hand only have a vague idea about his potential, unlike most who do have a good grasp on what they can do.
@RunningOnAutopilot
2 жыл бұрын
You can create a portal in front of yourself and then instead of hitting you they hit whatever is through the portal. Perfect shield.
@silentrock599
3 жыл бұрын
Well Chris Chan’s Dimensional Merge is happening, so soon we’ll have the Avengers in our world. lol
@joshuafreeman3609
5 ай бұрын
This reminds me a lot of that one quote about how insufferable it is when someone who doesn’t read Sci Fi thinks they’re going to write a revolutionary sci fi novel
@Leivve
3 жыл бұрын
Open a portal at the bottom of the ocean and let the water fire like a cannon that could rip people in half; and even if they did survive the shock of the force from the water would basically break their body, in every measurable way.
@melvinmbuthia883
2 жыл бұрын
The Goblin Slayer has arrived
@sanitorz232
3 жыл бұрын
16:12 absolutely, portals are fucking awesome. Remember that scene in DOFP when Blink sends Colossus like 20km upwards and then she makes another portal for when he gets back from the fall and puts him right next to a Sentinel and it just goes BAHHHH
@CCC-V3
2 жыл бұрын
"What are these nerds even talking about?" *Half the country believes in a sky daddy with deeper lore*
@digaddog6099
Жыл бұрын
Steelheart did basically all of this After epics started appearing, heroes started staking claim to cities, and hierarchies took form under them. Defensive abilities are incredibly important, most of the story is about finding an enemies weakness. The fear that anyone can have a power and you dont know is a cause of paranoia, some epics deliberately show their power in a tell to make people obey them on the street Most of the story takes place in the hit squads against epics Its a very good trilogy, I highly recommend it.
@SuperCat1187
3 жыл бұрын
Well being invincible alone isn't enough. Being impossible to kill doesn't mean you can't be contained. You would also have to have the super strength or some other form of destructive power, and what if the two powers don't necessarily come packaged.
@ineedpowers5151
2 жыл бұрын
Then you are basically like an SCP 😄😄.
@pitdarkangel2961
3 жыл бұрын
Seriously, being able to make portals is the most broken power. You just teleport someone's lungs into their hands.
@SlayerEndX13
3 жыл бұрын
He’s literally describing the plot of Worm in the first minute. (EDIT; 80~90% Worm. Not a joke.)
@dee-wreck
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. This is Skitter.
@JH-wg2dc
3 жыл бұрын
This man literally needs to just read Worm already.
@lolwhatidk
3 жыл бұрын
this is basically the reckoners book series
@knewbod
3 жыл бұрын
Yessssssss
@Coldashex
3 жыл бұрын
I had forgotten what it was Called! Fun series.
@yourewrong9028
3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t read Reckoners, been too busy reading the Cosmere. Might have to pick it up though.
@lolwhatidk
3 жыл бұрын
@@yourewrong9028 it's a fun series. you can't really go wrong with sanderson lol
@elknothin3403
Жыл бұрын
The boys is the closest we will ever get to understanding how horrible it would be
@lisamica6374
10 ай бұрын
my thoughts exactly
@ineedpowers5151
3 ай бұрын
No! Hancock & Invincible iss!! Boys is created by the guy who hates Superhero
@DrakeBarrow
Жыл бұрын
There was a whole RPG, Aberrant, about this very topic. Handled it pretty well too. Explained that there's very few 'supervillains' around because there are so many ways a Nova (superpowered being) can attain money, attention, or power that only people with serious issues or other reasons (like being a part of organized crime or whatever) would actually go the route of supervillains. Doesn't mean that there's not terrorists or whatever, but the sources of conflict are rarely black-and-white.
@buddingdufus
3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone else figured out how broken portals could be as a tool. I don’t really think you could close them unless they only cut chemical bonds though.I have no idea just how much energy would be released from that alone.
@Linkard
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush's story ideas are always insanely cool
@demosthenes995
3 жыл бұрын
Hes fundamentally describing the book Steelheart. Anyone ever read that one?
@ariufondu
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's what I was thinking!
@shapeless6755
3 жыл бұрын
Spoilers for Steelheart Series! Yeah but the point of Steelheart is that Epics (the ppl with powers) are Evil because they are literaly made to be like that because the guy who gives them powers makes it that way. And when he gets defeated, Epics arent evil anymore. (Still couple crazy ones out there, but general trend.) And I think that is kinda boring, would be more intresting if they chose to become Warlords because they could.
@Left4Cake
3 жыл бұрын
@@shapeless6755 More Sploiler talk (thou I only read the first book if any others came out) Well if your someone who believes that absolute power corrupts absolute then this is just an exaragtion to drive the point home that reflects the truth of the matter. It is implyed that loaning your power to other dosn't have this same effect. Plus this whole powers corrupt people dose still lead to moral situations where someone has to risk being corrupted by their super hero evil side in order to save someone in the moment in a cltuch desision, but that's just my thought. Also the fact they don't yet know how all this stuff actually works.
@arcuscerebellumus8797
3 жыл бұрын
@@shapeless6755 I think Brandon wouldn't resort to just "making them evil because a guy says so" if bringing out all the character complexities required to explain any other situation would be feasible in literary form. Introducing a narrative about the social contract and how it's eroded by introducing power imbalance without making it alien to other concepts at hand and/or breaking the stylistic coherence seems very hard if not impossible to me... Also, the situation that Vaush describes is just one probability of many. It all depends on saturation and how big of a power imbalance we're talking about. I imagine there are people who if given enough power would just go apeshit and no amount of order would be possible after that. I also don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that "supers" would have an overall positive impact. But that just comes to what version of reality the author wants to present, I guess...
@alexisartfeild2807
3 жыл бұрын
@@shapeless6755 Did we even read the same books? Spoilers, don't look if you haven't read book 3! The Epics weren't 'evil' because Mr. Powersource 'said so'. His continued presence turned their fears and insecurities up to 11+. Largely because of his own inability to confront his own fears and such. (Basically omnipotent yet totally insecure and afraid of nearly everything, sounds a mite like the Abrahamic God to me, btw) The more power one had and the more one used it the more compelled one was to use their power to run/hide from one's own fears. It is strongly implied even in the alternate universe we are allowed to glimpse where Mr. Powersource didn't hang around, existing power structures collapsed in much chaos. Just the ordinary people had reason to hope as some 'Heroic' Epics fought against the majority with fairly regular success.
@derain95
3 жыл бұрын
The portal power has so much potential, especially for a final showdowns. You could prepare so many interesting aces "in your sleeve".
@yewwowduck
3 жыл бұрын
Tieflings in D&D. At 3rd level they all have a daily retaliation ability for not an insignificant amount of damage.
@macharlin6579
3 жыл бұрын
Only if they get hurt in the first place
@big_azzy
3 жыл бұрын
They have to actually have 3 class levels though. I feel like that would be more important
@TheToxicDreamland
3 жыл бұрын
Rising Stars did a pretty good job with that. It had 113 people who were born with powers and were taken by the government, studied, and grew up all knowing each other. They all had different powers, had different vulnerabilities, and after a few of them die their powers actually move to the remaining Specials and make them stronger. it's written by J Michael Straczynski and it's one of my favorites because it has really good social commentary and explores the genre really well.
@jimbob929
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush really needs to read the Worm Web Serial haha
@MaestroAlvis
3 жыл бұрын
I can just imagine Vaush turning his nose up. "All this society, the PRT must be corrupt as fuck to leave Kaiser unchecked. I guess he's not dealing drugs? No he also deals drugs." Chapter 8 enters the chat Vaush: "... ohhhh... ummm GO! Nazi man... save us from... death."
@blakebrockhaus347
3 жыл бұрын
I was just Abt to comment that
@jmaster2855
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. A properly morally borked universe that understands the fucked-up things that would arise in a world with superhuman abilities.
@BorganBorgan
Жыл бұрын
I want this to be real! I want to play as Toph in the superhero apocalypse! Also it would be cool if the main character loses her arm and she makes a new one from the metal she controls.
@ndnerd1781
2 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling Vaush would really like the Quirk "New Order" from MHA
@al3xa723
3 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: I am Vaush's step godmother once removed.
@ruddyman4928
3 жыл бұрын
really?
@Matthew_Murray
3 жыл бұрын
@@ruddyman4928 well Vaush hasn’t denied it so it must be true
@ImaginaryMdA
3 жыл бұрын
@@ruddyman4928 Are you suggesting that people would tell lies on the internet?
@KingOpenReview
3 жыл бұрын
@@ImaginaryMdA You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
@andidarmawan565
3 жыл бұрын
@@KingOpenReview I-I dunno man, momma said internet is full of bad guy.
@Alias_Anybody
3 жыл бұрын
I'm working on something similar, but the catch is that powers are VERY rare (16 people total is the upper limit) yet their power level can effectively escalate to the level of physical God. Now, what's the consequence? Basically one of them always ends up killing all the others (or occasionally using some of them as pawns if the power level difference is big enough). It basically results in two different philosophies, either ruling all of humanity as their supreme ruler or completely staying out of their affairs and just stopping others with powers, effectively negating the whole superpower thing.
@timurnurzhauov1917
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush literally describing Tiberium from Command and Conquer.
@ExplorerColeton
Жыл бұрын
If Superpowers were real, no one who is actually a powered being with any sense of self preservation would ever publically admit it. If they were smart, at least. If they did, and started causing chaos, they'd be put down or subdued in some way. Even Superman is weak to kryptonite, and for the powered beings that aren't super enough, if they're even remotely human, they need food, water, shelter, and a bathroom. The one important thing to keep in mind in all of this is any Human, Super or otherwise, has a weakness. And there'll always be people to exploit that weakness. What terrifies me isn't Supervillians or Misused Powers, it's their Human Nature. Because the most beautiful thing in all of creation is the most terrifying to me. That is the Human Heart.
@ineedpowers5151
3 ай бұрын
Say that to Superhuman who doesn't have any weakness!!
@ExplorerColeton
3 ай бұрын
@@ineedpowers5151 The very fact that human is included in the word superhuman means they have a weakness that can be exploited. Every Superhuman has a weakness, even Superman is weak to Kryptonite. If you've looked it up, there's a bunch of chapters in superman comics where even the most generic looking bad guy has kryptonite. Even without kryptonite if we are talking all of fiction there's a bunch of people in comics and manga/anime that have the power to nullify all powers. If Superheroes were real then the logic of "who wins is who the author wants to win" is completely useless, cause after they are brought to life the author no longer has any control over what they do.
@ExplorerColeton
3 ай бұрын
@@ineedpowers5151 If you want powers that badly, then do some research into the collective unconscious and hypnosis. Hypnosis is not a power but a skill anyone can train to master. With Hypnosis I was able to find a way to tap into Hysterical Strength and Adrenaline whenever I want to.
@ineedpowers5151
2 ай бұрын
@@ExplorerColeton I am not talking about Comic book characters!! Nor I am talking about Superman.. Well I think you haven't came across those Overpowered protagonist in Anime!!
@ExplorerColeton
2 ай бұрын
@@ineedpowers5151 There's one anime character named Kumagawa. He's from Medaka Box. He alone solos all anime, manga, comics, and movies. Look up All Fiction in Medaka Box. If all possible superpowers were real, then the person who receives his powers will literally be the God of the New World of Heroes and he or she won't even need to fight.
@hancock9873
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly every time Vaush comes up with a story idea its top tier
@melvinmbuthia883
2 жыл бұрын
Love the Hunter X Hunter & Jojo reference, both have people with interesting personalities and creative powers, they behave like realistic people with powers than the usual super power troupe character that are common
@jacksonmahuron
3 жыл бұрын
This sounds very cool. Would love to hear more
@bigburd875
3 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that this kind of story would work well in a warhammer setting, because this kind of thing seems to happen every other day in the Imperium of man
@kaydenl6836
9 ай бұрын
Nah I think she should actually be REALLY fucking overpowered, but only in one specific thing. Just for kicks of it.
@cageybee7221
2 жыл бұрын
Vaush would probably like the series of books brandon sanderson did on this sort of scenario, i forget the name of the whole series but book one is called Steelheart. TL;DR an alien satelite gives random people on earth superpowers, and governments collapse after failing to stop them and the plot follows anti-super resistances inside super-warlord states.
@joapercan6887
2 жыл бұрын
Okey. I am seeing a lot of people mention Worm, but I will mention Steelheart of Bandon Sanderson, we're there is all of those things. Clasification based on how to kill them, warlords and complete destruction of any goverment system. The story is about hunting and killing the superheroes, the first book is about killing basically superman.
@thecriticalone1783
3 жыл бұрын
Ok, depending on the types of powers in the world, the tire system would be wonky. For example what if one person is just superman. Can fly, has super strength and highly resistant to most forms of damage. Then you got someone like professor x, with the ability to sense people's minds from far away, and the ability to control people. They would both be equally unkillable in most circumstances. Another thing you got to think about is the number of people at each level of power. If you got over half your population at high level then things would change but I don't think society would fall apart. Tho you are probably making a point about there being a lot of power in a few hands which would rip apart society. You gave me some ideas for a story I been thinking about making.
@phoenix-walker
3 жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson's Steelheart comes to mind. 1 - Society collapses and regions are ruled by the strongest super powered people. 2 - The resistance trying to kill the super powered folks ranks their power level based off of how hard it is to kill them. For example, on of the most powerful baddies has two fail-safes that keep people from killing him. And is ranked at the highest tier.
@nargacuga05
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought that space bending powers would be the absolute pinnacle of super powers
@chongwillson972
3 жыл бұрын
@nargacuga05 nope reality bending powers are the ultimate superpower...
@reyavispa1472
3 жыл бұрын
@@chongwillson972 space manipulation is already reality altering???
@chongwillson972
3 жыл бұрын
@@reyavispa1472 not the same at all with reality bending you can make people's heads pineapples and they wont die
@draikoanimations1370
3 жыл бұрын
Not to be that guy but probability manipulation would be the best
@chongwillson972
3 жыл бұрын
@@draikoanimations1370 no reality would allow you to reshape reality to your wants and bypasses space and time and probability....
@connortobin3775
4 ай бұрын
My man wants to watch Pumpkin Scissors in the modern era, and I'm here for it.
@User-jp1sj
Жыл бұрын
I actually think My Hero Academia is an accurate depiction of what this would be like. Superheroes replacing cops, basically.
@wabschall
Жыл бұрын
But in mha cops still exist. Heroes are basically PMCs.
@aanonymouscowardsays
Жыл бұрын
I often thought about this but there's just 1 and its basically superman
@Pensive_Scarlet
3 жыл бұрын
Some of my inklings toward superhero ideas come from seeing how power, resources, and wealth are hoarded, and wondering what it would be like if one of the few people doing all the hoarding were suddenly of a mind to actually solve at least one small pocket of suffering in their vicinity. Like, what if the Kardashians woke up one day and simultaneously decided to dedicate everything they have to feeding starving Appalachian children? So, maybe you have a world where a few ruthless powered individuals rule everything, but one day one of them wakes up with amnesia and a conscience.
@JudgeSabo
3 жыл бұрын
You should read Worm by Wildbow. One of the main themes is government power structures trying to shape and adapt to people randomly getting powers, and all the ways it keeps failing.
@Retr0ver4
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if you had the powers of hancock plus telekenisis for extra measure
@androgenius_alisa
2 жыл бұрын
I like how martial artists are literally tier 1 superhumans Also, Vaush should've warned that using his idea would make people associate with him and get them cancelled
@SweetTaleTeller
10 ай бұрын
Vaush: "Creatures that create Portals can be some world-ending *****" PTSD memories of Fecto Elfilis start overwhelming my mind* (From Kirby)
@tymelthompson4182
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush's example of a tier 1 superhero vulnerability is kind of redundant. AKSCHUALLY super strength has other physical accommodations that come along with it, such as superhuman bone density. That baseball bat would snap like a pocky stick.
@thekingoffailure9967
3 жыл бұрын
You can still give a human with really strong bones a concussion. They'd have to have super healing that repairs the brain damage.
@Tacklepig
3 жыл бұрын
@@thekingoffailure9967 "durability" or "resistance to damage" or something to that effect is usually implied when someone has super strength, else that strength has basically no sensible application.
@bibsp3556
3 жыл бұрын
S3 against T5, you gotta roll a 5+, even if theyre S8. check the superhero damage roll chart for deets
@alexandredesouza3692
3 жыл бұрын
One character idea that would be really cool for your setting is a powerless human managing to intimidate and ward off superhuman through sheer mind games alone. Like, he's the ultimate poker face. I basically just described Batman without a costume or gadgets.
@ellispalmer4515
3 жыл бұрын
Vaush should watch Re:Creators, he'd get a kick out of Meteora's use of spatial magic based on his rant about portals.
@emilchan5379
3 жыл бұрын
I second this!
@ji3194
3 жыл бұрын
This was awesome! I love people going on world building and building stories
@JHammy642
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, BNHA handles the dilemma of super society really well with a centralized hero system
@Karak971
3 жыл бұрын
Even then so much of that system is based on, functionally, gentleman's agreements. See, the most recent arc.
@CecilyRenns
3 жыл бұрын
they would turn them into police? yeah sounds about right
@tyronechillifoot5573
3 жыл бұрын
They're basically just cops for meta humans
@lobster838
3 жыл бұрын
BNHA is a bit unconventional tho in that the majority of the population has a quirk, leading to less of a power imbalance than if only a few individuals had powers
@Fluttersniper
3 жыл бұрын
The system in HeroAca is built from a previous societal collapse caused by All for One. There is some balance, since nearly everyone has some sort of power, but it’s shown repeatedly in the anime and manga that those with the better quirks are more successful, more powerful, and more influential than those with more useless ones. They even RANK the heroes, AND the hero training classes by quirk usefulness.
@carsonpaullee
Жыл бұрын
There's a superhero book series that touches on this stuff the villian is a reality warping energy manipulating Egyptian god king trying to conquer the future as society collapses due to superpowered people and the dynamics of super hero groups dying and the super powers popping up again among young adults. The most sad/ fucked one was called brawn where a blue hulk copy is forced into slavery in a mine due to his powers being manipulable... This topic is waaaaaay deeper than vaush was thinking
@titania396
3 жыл бұрын
I still don’t understand how society would fall down. Tier 3-4 would just be missiles and Nukes with feelings.
@frenchvanilla343
3 жыл бұрын
The only reason anyone does anything under the law is because at the end of the day, humans can be cast away, forced into confinement, or shot. Everyone is the same in that respect. That's why laws and social contracts and morals work. Because we are all physically vulnerable and can die or be forcibly contained. That we have in common. So we do as society dictates, and that's how we get it to function. Ultimately, our lives DEPEND on our ability to function within the bounds society has set. Now throw in a superhuman who isn't vulnerable to anything we are, who can't be forcibly contained or killed. Their lives don't depend on it. They have no incentive to respect or help maintain any existing social systems that don't directly serve them, because a) they don't benefit from them, and b) no one can force them to. They aren't beholden to any person, ideal, or institution. How do you keep a society from collapse when people aren't beholden to the laws and institutions meant to hold it together?
@titania396
3 жыл бұрын
@@frenchvanilla343 have you heard of Natural disasters? Typhoons, Meteorites, Fires, floods? Society still keeps going all the same. I understand at the start they might rob banks, etc. But eventually Governments would notice and give them a safe haven to stay and be used by them. I just don’t see society changing all that much. The Worlds level of Violence already seems bad enough.
@levi2725
3 жыл бұрын
@@frenchvanilla343 or, I don't know, people respect laws because humans are social creatures with inbuilt empathy and like being surrounded by people who like them and helping the people around them. The idea that humans are evil is propaganda made to keep us from trusting each-other and organizing in a way to overthrow the current shitty world we live in.
@frenchvanilla343
3 жыл бұрын
@@titania396 I'm... not talking about natural disasters? I don't see what that has to do with people not following the law. Here's what I'm saying: An invulnerable superhuman wouldn't rob a bank to begin with. Why would they care about money? The only reason regular humans need money is so that we can obtain things from others. If we try to take things from others without paying, that's theft, and we can be arrested. But if you're an invulnerable superhuman, and you decide you want to take something, who's gonna stop you? What are they gonna do? Arrest you? Kill you? They can't. You can take what you want, and you can take it without money, because nobody can stop you anyway. So who cares if the government offers to pay them money? Why would they need money? They can just take what they want anyway. They aren't beholden the rules of our society, so our money holds no value to them. They can't be incentived, by punishment or reward, which means they can't be controlled. And at that point there's nothing stopping them from saying "To hell with your society and its rules, I'll do what I want" Do you see what I mean? Hopefully that makes more sense.
@titania396
3 жыл бұрын
@@frenchvanilla343 I understand not being able to punish people but surely society can offer good enough rewards.
@Ginlock45
3 жыл бұрын
The only way to stop a bad guy with super powers is a good guy with superpowers
@wendoversss
2 жыл бұрын
Kind of not the point of the video but I'm curious, what tier would a human like daredevil be in. He isn't super strong or super fast or anything like that but he is peak human and his other senses have basically gotten 100x better due to his lack of sight. He wouldn't be able to survive a point blank shot to the head (usually), but he would definitely be able to consistently dodge it due to his enhanced senses. What tier would someone like him be in?
@markstriker925
2 жыл бұрын
Tier 0 or tier 1
@Stevo_Monstra_man
8 ай бұрын
I don't know if you can see comments going this far back but can you please talk more about stuff like this? I don't know if it needs to be a second Channel where you just talk about your game slash story ideas but I need to listen to you talk about fantasy settings more
@RunD.Ones1s
3 жыл бұрын
The Boys, that's what would happen
@xodiach
3 жыл бұрын
I really like hearing vaush talk about his story ideas, I hope he ends up doing something with them at some point lol I've had similar frustrations with superhero stories, where cool superpowers are never actually being used in cool creative ways, and just the general fact that living in a world with superpowers would *vastly* change how society operates. I'm actually planning to make a piece of post apocalyptical superhero fiction as well. It's honestly really cool seeing that, despite the similarities of the initial premise, you can go in wildly different directions with it.
@LainVics
3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Brandon Sandersons Steelheart, it's this exact premise mixed with the boys, and instead of a super person for the main character it's a normal person tryna kill a warlord
@Rohinthas
5 ай бұрын
Just found this vid. Everyone liking the ideas described in this video: Go read "After the Revolution" by Robert Evans (the Behind the Bastards guy, lots of you probably know him)
@TheJuanTrueKaiser
3 жыл бұрын
In a world with superpowered people I would not put it past nations, and powerful institutions of the world to quickly come up with mechanisms to use their powers against them, and other ways to defend themselves. Young justice had some what correct in assuming that there would be a "meta-gene arms race"/ meta-human trafficking. Superpowered people would still have their allegiances and might serve as covert or sometimes overert weapons of war and sabotage. If anything it would just make geopolitics of the world deadlier and always on a knife's edge.
@emylily8266
3 жыл бұрын
@@NocturneJester when the superhumans take control itll still be the same, just different governments than today.
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