I can imagine how much work and how much love to the details for such a film is necessary. Thank you for the great work!
@billiebobbienorton2556
5 жыл бұрын
@James Williamson Hmmmmm - interesting question.
@Alakwe
5 жыл бұрын
Yes but it creates more questions
@Alakwe
5 жыл бұрын
As the title
@johndoyle4723
5 жыл бұрын
Agree, just watched in 4K, the quality of production is outstanding. Very sad end result,faulty maintenance , and Pilot error. I cannot imagine how the investigators deduced frozen AOA detctors.
@okayxela1138
5 жыл бұрын
DBlaubaer his editing is a beautiful! He(or she) is a really great KZitemr! I watch this person everyday
@patrickclark3337
5 жыл бұрын
These videos are making me never want to fly again but they are so addictive. I don't know why but I'm obsessed with airline disasters.
@booyakabambata
4 жыл бұрын
I just stumbled onto these vids last night as I was going down a rabbit's hole for doc's re MH370. Saw this guys MH370 video and loved it. Have now probably watched at least 15 of them! So addictive.
@Guitargasm1000
4 жыл бұрын
@pat. No doubt about it! I'll walk, bus, bike, boat....
@sallysutherland5224
4 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@fcjc2976
4 жыл бұрын
Guilty
@annakeye
4 жыл бұрын
Addictive? No. Compelling viewing? Absolutely.
@debasishraychawdhuri
5 жыл бұрын
when you are testing something, you need to make sure that you would still be alive if the test fails.
@ramonmoreno8014
3 жыл бұрын
What if you get killed while passing the test?
@joeharry32817
3 жыл бұрын
@@ramonmoreno8014 That would be an act of God. :]
@ozgott1415
3 жыл бұрын
You'd think 7 Pilots would have considered this.
@NewscasterNews4
3 жыл бұрын
@@ozgott1415 this is precisely why life fired them all
@S.p.o.c.k
3 жыл бұрын
@@joeharry32817 What god ? Evidence ?
@kimsiewers
5 жыл бұрын
Pilot : "Let's do a slow speed stall test" (low altitude) Driver on freeway: "Let's do a hands off the steering wheel test (80 mph) Some things are better off left "untested".
@broadsworddannyboy5057
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@retro440
5 жыл бұрын
It makes you wonder what these experienced pilots were thinking. "Let's descend to a really low altitude and see how slow we can fly."
@Suisfonia
5 жыл бұрын
Ya.. ask a former friend of mine what happens when you perform a stupid test like that on the freeway.. idiot is still serving time in prison for it. These pilots, had they survived, should've lost their license for performing an unauthorized test.
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
5 жыл бұрын
It was a delivery acceptance flight so acceptance tests are necessary. It may just have saved the lives of passengers back in New Zealand if the water was not evaporated off. The problem is the crew didn’t have proper contingency for if the test was failed ie stall prevention failed. There are three types of alpha sensors 1 vane type and 2 pressure null seeking type (which is motor driven) and 3 the 5 port type. All aircraft should use a mixture of both types. The pressure null seeking type can be periodically tested by automatic rotation of the sensor. This will detected seized sensor.
@justpostingsomestuff9574
5 жыл бұрын
Lets propose an alternate reality where the pilots do not run this test, the AOA sensor are still fkd an nobody knows about it, the plane crashes later killing like 200 ppl, the main question still remain the same: who the fuck are these idiots that allowed such a flight where only half of the stuff could be tested?
@MrSkeedle
4 жыл бұрын
2000ft is my favourite altitude for stall tests.
@lellius
4 жыл бұрын
3000' AGL would be my absolute minimum altitude for practicing slow flight and stall recovery in a C-172, but that's absolutely insane in a freaking jetliner.
@sstrick500
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. And always pre-test your landing gear at FL330
@gme213la2
4 жыл бұрын
i rather take the F on this test and skip it. if i was a pilot but then it is needed. i don't fly.
@tetst_54546
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. However, my experience from Kerbal Space Program suggests that this might not be the best practice.
@roberthatch6153
4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't believe they started at 3000agl
@FreemonSandlewould
5 жыл бұрын
These pilots seemed to forget they were TESTING the aircraft. When doing that you should assume NOTHING works.
@marks2731
5 жыл бұрын
You have a very valid point.
@elaineblackhurst1509
4 жыл бұрын
Mark S Actually it’s the opposite all flights tested on the ground beforehand are to ensure a safe flight for test pilots really. It’s unheard of for test pilots to normally find a big enough fault to bring down a plane. Minor things yes but never major otherwise who’d be a test Pilot guniea pigs really . A few weeks ago an on the ground test on Max the door exploded open. I’ll never get on a Max it’s flawed engineering 🇬🇧🇺🇸✈️👨✈️👨✈️🤦🏼♀️💔
@fantomphalcon9153
4 жыл бұрын
Elaine Blackhurst You’re a dope.
@BillClay88
4 жыл бұрын
This is not a dangerous job. These are not test pilots in the normal sense, the way we perceive them. This isn't the right stuff. Acceptance flights are common. They are monotonous, very tideous and boring. There are no hotshots with steel balls on board. Just another fluke accident with poor practices by maintenance and bad decision making by the flight crew. Fortunately they didn't kill a plane full of ppl, but if that were case, in all likelihood would of never occurred.
@animalm4st3r
4 жыл бұрын
@@elaineblackhurst1509 let me tell u something, all the big airlines are already repainting/removing the 737 MAX logo and replacing it with just 737 and when bocking or on your boarding pass they also just print 737, good luck with not getting on one :D
@hattrickster33
5 жыл бұрын
Seems like a pretty stupid idea to do that test at such a low altitude. If it passes you're fine, if it fails, you have no time to recover and you're dead. That's what happens when you start to think "it just works."
5 жыл бұрын
It is their fault, the stall test should only be made at or above 10.000ft.
@davida1610
5 жыл бұрын
You're surely correct. In this instance, Overconfidence = Fatal Consequence
@ianrkav
5 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking the same thing.
@johnwet5798
5 жыл бұрын
I agree , if they test at 10,000 ft. even its stall . They can recover easily.
@GaryCameron
5 жыл бұрын
Idle the engines on an A320 at 3000' and point the nose up. What could possibly go wrong? Even my 14 year old daughter who was watching was screaming "no" at that.
@orphanRTG
5 жыл бұрын
For those who want to imagine how high the plane was during the stall, it is the height of burj khalifa + few feets more.
@HISHAM931
3 жыл бұрын
That’s insane. I literally went on Google Street view to get some height perspective of the Burj Khalifa. Can’t believe they performed this particular test in such low altitude.
@starboy5888
3 жыл бұрын
That scale just shows how ridiculously low they were to test a stall. No room left whatsoever for recovering
@JB-mb6lm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@JP-pm8tk
5 жыл бұрын
Tests like that shouls only be done at an altitude in which a complication would be recoverable. I can't understand why they did that.
@Namratiug
5 жыл бұрын
Shouls lmao
@forza223bowe5
4 жыл бұрын
Because air traffic control denied their request to climb higher
@eddiecongdon8017
4 жыл бұрын
@@Namratiug congrats you found an obvious spelling error you must feel special
@AdstarAPAD
4 жыл бұрын
Pressure to get the tests done and to get the plane into service.. Time is money $$$$$
@AdstarAPAD
4 жыл бұрын
@Infinite Possibilities Yes but fear of getting sacked because your late completion has cost the company tens and maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars makes people take risks in the Hope that all will work out well.. Got to keep that deadline or else i am in big trouble.. A lot of higher level managers like to have that fear on their employees to make them work harder and do things quicker..
@66lwmorgan
5 жыл бұрын
It certainly appears to me that the majority of airplane crashes are due to pilot error or something maintenance did wrong. Very seldom is it ever a problem with the plane itself. Great movie my friend, thank again for the time you spend putting these videos together for us.
@jamesguillemot
5 жыл бұрын
Dig far back enough and almost any incident can come down to human factors, be it in decision making at the time or in the maintenance or in design of aircraft or processes in the first place
@PlateletRichGel
5 жыл бұрын
Its usually a series of human mistakes, taken together create the situation.
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
Escape The Matrix Was this at the Boeing Charleston, SC site? Not surprising there's a lot of problems with a lack of competent management down here and of course hiring qualified people at lower wages isn't helping.
@johnbenedict6703
5 жыл бұрын
This is so true. When I was stationed at Grand Forks Air Force Base in North Dakota I had an opportunity to read the publication Aero Space Safety, I believe that's what it was called (memory from 1972). On one of my domestic flights back then I sat next to a FAA employee and we talked about such things. And yep, almost all crashes are because of something that the crew does or doesn't do even though there might be mechanical problems. Sometimes it doesn't take much and poof.
@watchgoose
5 жыл бұрын
How many of the commenters were brought up in the airlines or ever worked for one? Back when pilots flew their own airplanes, the percentage of accidents was not what it is now. But more and more, the designers, one in particular, is designing the aircraft with the computers calling the shots, which this younger generation of pilots think is "cool" and they are forgetting basic flying skills. Computers have a rule: garbage in, garbage out. And when the computer breaks, and the pilots concentrate on the computer issue, they forget the first rule; FLY THE PLANE.
@maurocandiago4869
5 жыл бұрын
title of this video should be "when an airplane trusts the flight crew too much"
@KillFrenzy96
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure about that. I've seen videos where ATC go to prison for lengthy amounts of time for mistakes, plenty more were traumatised. One was even murdered. ATC are trying to remain professional, which may make it sound like they don't care. Most definitely do care, and are trying to remain professional while in shock.
@Nonamelol.
4 жыл бұрын
Mauro Candiago yeah because of the other video dumbass
@arliesam217
4 жыл бұрын
@Jane Marsee finally someone said what I was thinking
@arliesam217
4 жыл бұрын
@@KillFrenzy96 the one who was murdered I heard about that's was so sad he didn't deserve that
@cayden2744
3 жыл бұрын
@Jane Marsee Hm... bcz in this case it was totally pilots fault? You don't do STALL TESTS at such low altittude, also they did the wrong procedure to recover
@markdoldon8852
5 жыл бұрын
Shocking that 3 pilots in the cockpit and they still chose to do a slow speed stall test so close to the ground. The problem wasnt the AoA sensors, it was complete incompetance by the pilots.
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
Mark Doldon That is the bizarre thing, you have THREE senior pilots and they ALL agree to do something that careless? Wow...can't believe at least ONE didn't say NO!
@Mg-ur3ij
5 жыл бұрын
Blame 1 pilot, the 1 who had control, he could / should have said no, he was in control.
@lululenox
5 жыл бұрын
That's the thing about over-confidence though, with 3 veteran pilots, they all probably think they seen it all, and they get too comfortable in these situations and start ignoring standard safety protocols which lead to disaster. At least if there was one less experienced pilot onboard he would probably raised his concern. Same thing happened in tenerife - The senior captain gave the command to begin take-off roll in a simple misunderstanding with atc instructions, and when the less experienced FO raised his concern about the other aircraft still being on the runway the captain disregarded it due to impatience and over-confidence, it was all in the blackbox. That's why no matter how seasoned and experienced you are you should still carry yourself with professionalism, it might be the difference between life and death :(
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
Lenox Loo Well said. Even when I am experienced at a task...I always have it in the back of my mind of asking what would an inexperienced individual think or say about my actions. It helps to have a different perspective at all times.
@ew4096
5 жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot. Never piloted an aircraft. However, I have driven vehicles most of my adult life. I never trust anything on the vehicle, always aware of what is happening around me and where I am at all times. Therefore, I am at a loss where three very experienced pilots at the control and they lose control of a perfect working aircraft. Even with these devices not working, you have the control of the aircraft. There was no indication that engine thrust was an issue. So why didn't the aircraft come out of its stall? If the aircraft began to pitch down why didn't the pilots correct for this? I just cannot fathom why these three pilots just screwed up. Of course, I am a couch quarterback, I was not there, nor do I know how to fly a kite, so who knows?
@555Trout
4 жыл бұрын
Stall test at a few thousand feet? We humans never cease to amaze me at how utterly idiotic we can be. We really aren't very intelligent when it gets down to brass tacos. And there ain't a safety technology that we can't override with our stupidity. Profound when one contemplates it.
@Junkbox2012x
3 жыл бұрын
They want the test to be excitement 😉
@Garryck-1
3 жыл бұрын
*"And there ain't a safety technology that we can't override with our stupidity."* It's impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious.
@diegonavarro708
5 жыл бұрын
Several wise heads were no match for this challenge. Forgetting how to fly a plane manually is also an issue.
@RRareGaming
5 жыл бұрын
WHY THE HECK DID THEY HAVE TO DO THE LOW SPEED TEST AT *3,000 Ft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
@stivi739
5 жыл бұрын
Atc didnt let em fly higher?
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
steff serpent However the pilot even debated doing it at that time....he should have followed his gut instinct and done it later on at a higher altitude minimum is 10000 ft for that test.
@RRareGaming
5 жыл бұрын
finally someone replied no one replies to me normally
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
RRareGamingOnYT It could be that you have been partially "shadow banned" by YT. Where they don't let ALL subscribers see your post only selected ones, so far less people can see what you posted. If you want to check for this sign out of your account and look for posts you have made to various channels.
@campervankevin6740
5 жыл бұрын
new zealanders are some of the dumbest people on earth, that's why
@james5460
5 жыл бұрын
Note to self: don't do slow-speed tests at 3k feet.
@Junkbox2012x
3 жыл бұрын
They want the test to be excitement 😉 save the the plane in time bs crashes instead...
@johngayle2772
5 жыл бұрын
doing this test at 3000 ft altitude was not wise doesnt give you enough altitude to recover from a stall even a basic understanding of flight they should of known better
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
John Gayle Over confidence it seems played a big part. They were complacent.
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
Vlaroxe I just can't imagine that THREE expert pilots would agree to such a negligent action...it's unbelievable.
@ronwilliams357
5 жыл бұрын
It's plenty to recover from a stall, except it wasn't a stall test, they weren't expecting a stall, and didn't know the computer had trimmed full nose up then disconnected when it went into direct law mode. They had no idea the computer had it trimmed it like that and was no longer providing automatic trim.
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
Ron Williams I still say that the increasing degree and amount of very complex automation is making piloting MORE dangerous
@blowingfree6928
5 жыл бұрын
@@ronwilliams357 But they knew that if the test failed it would result in a stall, even if they did not know about the 2 AOA sensors providing incorrect information. If they had done the test at a reasonable altitude it would have given the crew time to sort the problems out and recover. As it was they did not have the time.
@caferacer9768
3 жыл бұрын
Watching these addictive videos has convinced me that the difference between success and disaster is at the cellular level.
@mangos2888
5 жыл бұрын
As an avaition fan with no formal training, I appreciate the level of detail in the story about this flight. I am left curious about why they were so motivated to conduct these tests and why the proper flight plan wasn't filed in the first place? It's unfortunate that the motivator that caused the crew to override safety precautions even existed....but it probably boiled down to money. IMHO, there's almost always money involved....
@streetjustice6256
3 жыл бұрын
As always when all else doesn't add up,follow the money.
@blackhawkorg
5 жыл бұрын
They acceptance tested it to death... wouldn't quit till they found something. It found them.
@lizpurr8402
2 жыл бұрын
The music you selected for the intro is beautifully melancholy. You have a tremendous amount of talent for making these videos. Beyond the meticulous attention to detail in showing us objective data- just the way you edit these and produce with the music and plane sounds and transitions is brilliant. You obviously work hard on these, but you have a fabulous gift for it as well.
@bestage9429
Жыл бұрын
Too bad the music at the intro is not there anymore, presumably due to a copyright strike of some kind
@JadeStrawberry
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling the story. Wonderfully done as always.
@XavierLignieres
5 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as a New Zealander and someone that actually works on the Air new Zealand Airbus A320 Fleet this hits the feels very hard but it is exceptionally well done and better than all documentaries I have seen so far Bravo sir Bravo !
@RammTammTamm00
5 жыл бұрын
oh dear... when the sad violins start after five seconds already...
@mejoargreen
4 жыл бұрын
HI TAILS
@dungeonrat
5 жыл бұрын
It's astonishing that something as simple as washing an airplane (albeit improperly) can result in tragedy! In modern highly computerized aircraft, clearly there is no luxury for deviation from required procedures. The days when you could just "wing it " are over!
@cannedheat300
5 жыл бұрын
@Steve Turowski Z Z sounds like an angry fucktard.
@cannedheat300
5 жыл бұрын
@Z Z You seem to have a high opinion of yourself and little regard for most pilots. How's that working for you?
@CB-gs8kb
5 жыл бұрын
@Cindy Tartt PAX is pilot-speak for "passengers"
@Otiraxo_
5 жыл бұрын
I see you In every vid!! Big fan
@Otiraxo_
5 жыл бұрын
You must be a big fan
@adotintheshark4848
3 жыл бұрын
This proves yet again, when flying, "altitude is your friend, gravity is your enemy". The saddest thing here is, the pilots did not have to do those tests on that flight.
@drnogueiras8783
4 жыл бұрын
The more people they list as being on board, the more anxious I’m getting. They just keep cominnnng.
@smoothmicra
4 жыл бұрын
Apparently Air NZ refused to accept the plane after the failed test, something about it being at the bottom of the sea in a million pieces. Some people are so hard to please!
@MartinInAmsterdam
5 жыл бұрын
I think what sealed their fate was the captain moving the thrust levers to TOGA (Take Off / Go Around) position. This will make it even harder to get out of a climb because the engines thrust, being lower than the aerodynamic centre line, tend to push the nose up even more. That procedure to get out of a stall is always 1st nose down, then feed in more thrust slowly and carefully.
@JackRabbitSlim
5 жыл бұрын
The trouble is, at 3000ft altitude they had compromised their ability to do anything slowly and carefully, it was a last ditch extreme move that they had put themselves into by performing the test at such a low altitude, they probably thought they wouldn't have the height to tilt the nose down first.
@channelbree
4 жыл бұрын
OK so you know you;re going down...why not try and glide it out? Maybe just maybe reduce the impact with the water so one of those folks might survive? OR am I thinking in terms of fantasy land?
@NavidIsANoob
4 жыл бұрын
@@channelbree You're thinking in terms of "I have accepted that the plane will crash and will try my best to reduce the impact as much as possible." These pilots weren't thinking that. They were absolutely still in the mindset of trying to save the plane and their own lives.
@tomcorwine3091
4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Nose down. You’re going to loose way less altitude than being in a stall, and you get control of your plane back.
@krashd
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomcorwine3091 You're going to lose exactly the same amount of altitude regardless of how you are oriented, until an aircraft is generating lift it will be dropping like a stone. This is why you need altitude in order to regain lift, and 3,000 feet is nowhere near enough for an A320.
@danielyard918
5 жыл бұрын
If you watch enough of these documentaries, you'd never want to fly again! Myself, I'm one of them. It's just too damn scary up there, sorry!
@tomstravels520
4 жыл бұрын
Daniel Yard not always true. I’ve watched nearly every episode of air crash investigation/mayday and it’s made me realise how much safety systems and new pilot training has made flying safer. The majority of issues now are still as always pilot error and rarely due to design flaws (MAX being example) or unknown phenomenon
@KatieBellino
4 жыл бұрын
It's funny, for me, watching these makes me realize you're usually pretty safe and full system failures are rare.
@marcvanderwee
4 жыл бұрын
I have seen many of these documentaries, also various versions of the crash of the century (Tenerife, 27-3-1977, 3-27-1977) and I still love flying! I don't mind to watch this kind of documentaries even at the day of departure for a 12 hour flight to Lima in Perú. I even can watch these documentaries during the flight, but I never do that as I can imagine the people sitting close to me wouldn't like that that much...
@mahmoods2134
4 жыл бұрын
I worry most about the maintenance, not design or training.
@suestoons
4 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on that. I also had a 25-year career in Aviation, Canadian FSS and I never want to fly again. Which is completely illogical as I'll jump in a car no problem after watching hours of dashcam stupidity. /shrugs
@nazreidlover911
5 жыл бұрын
Give him 1M subscribers Here are the reasons 1.) he spends money on this hardware 2.) he takes a lot of time to get every single word the ATC and pilot say 3.) if we want him to do a crash on a crash he does it 4.) gives real pictures of the crash These are reasons he should have 1M subscribers. Thanks for the three videos this week.
@davidnavarro4821
6 ай бұрын
Now he has 1.48 millions!
@derpcakeflies
5 жыл бұрын
Ya, this imo is really the accident that couldve been prevented most.
@user-hn6jj6qf5o
5 жыл бұрын
AND af447
@gabym9913
5 жыл бұрын
吴发清 was just about to say the same!
@joshuapatrick682
3 жыл бұрын
Ever hear of Tenerife?
@fritz46
3 жыл бұрын
Eastern Air Lines Flight 401?
@SFbayArea94121
5 жыл бұрын
Great work on the narration and visuals as always, as for the actual incident. As they say “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!”
@NavidIsANoob
4 жыл бұрын
So tragic and unneccesary. This accident really disturbs me for some reason. Rest in peace to the seven who perished.
@wyomingadventures
5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are amazing! Wonderful details they look real and I love that you give us plenty of time to read about the information ❤✈👍
@katemaloney4296
4 жыл бұрын
Air New Zealand: Fresh paint job, reconditioned, and ready to go! Fly it so we can make sure it's operational. Airbus Pilot: Well... it was.
@nicholasjohnson6724
5 жыл бұрын
Poor Air New Zealand, first Mt Erebus, now this. I'm an Aussie and I love Air NZ and our Kiwi cousins.
@davidtaylor351
5 жыл бұрын
The relevant differences between the two tragedies, are that. In this case, it wasn't an Air New Zealand flight, as such. And neither was it, as explained a public passenger flight. - But rather, a test flight, at the tail end of a lease, prior to Air New Zealand accepting the aircraft back. Legally, and in fact, in regard to the pilots who were actually flying it.The aircraft was still under, the authority and control of the German airline, it had been leased to. Hence the flight number. Nor, in this case, was Air New Zealand, responsible, for the maintenance of the aircraft.That of course, was the whole point of the flight. To test and see, under the terms of the lease, if the aircraft, was fit for purpose, before accepting it back into service.
@sallysutherland5224
4 жыл бұрын
I am just obsessed with this channel.
@mutiuayodele607
5 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work man, I always look forward to your videos and I never get anything short of excitement watching them
@vandanayadav1340
5 жыл бұрын
I just LOVE your work TFC!!! KEEP THE VIDS COMING!! AND BTW YOUR VIDEO QUALITY IS MUCH BETTER THAN THAT OF OTHER CHANNELS. KUDOS!
@eduardocastro9646
5 жыл бұрын
Genger medicine for my prostate
@raffipambudi
5 жыл бұрын
I saw the notification and then I click it. Another good video bro 👌
@roopatejabhushan7960
5 жыл бұрын
I too
@deank2099
5 жыл бұрын
Amazing...as always! Great work buddy, love the new visuals and music.
@tmshadow8031
5 жыл бұрын
Whenever I see one of your videos, I imagine how much hard work this took. Editing. Making the video. I wish I could be as good as you. Keep up you fantastic work! 👍 👍 👍
@kristophermann25
4 жыл бұрын
I guess I'm a little late to the party... having said that i want to say thank you for this channel, it's obvious you put a lot of time and effort in to these re-creations. Again thank you!
@billiebobbienorton2556
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting.....(paraphrasing) "The system logic was designed to accept the faulty majority values and reject the single but correct value". The pilot disregarded instructions. AND NO ONE CHALLENGES THE DECISION TO DO A TEST STALL AT 3K FEET?!?!
@tomstravels520
4 жыл бұрын
Billie Bob Norton III it’s a shame the AOA sensors froze at same angles. If they froze at different angles the aircraft would have alerted the crew earlier due to 3 different values and they’d have rejected all further testing
@al-uw4ln
4 жыл бұрын
@@tomstravels520 they froze when the aircraft was in a stable flight with constant AOA, the same angle is quite expected. But it's most likely possible for the software to decide which sensors is alive by small fluctuations which are always present on a working sensor instead of a frozen one.
@krashd
3 жыл бұрын
3 fully qualified pilots on that flight deck and not one of them thought "Wait a minute, we're at 3,000 feet here? Is a stall test a good idea?"
@johnschembri5326
5 жыл бұрын
Very well presented and informative for a layman to understand
@chantellmchale695
3 жыл бұрын
Love these videos I’m addicted thank you for the great work and effort put into every single one of them
@timspooner59
4 жыл бұрын
Hi from Auckland. I was awake in bed in the middle of the night when news of the Erubus flight came thru on radio. Never forget the shock. Most people in NZ knew somebody who died that night.
@emmanueldacunha3211
3 жыл бұрын
Really...!?....How much people are you over there..? Il Island ok, but NZ...!!?
@krashd
3 жыл бұрын
@@emmanueldacunha3211 New Zealand had a population of 14,063 at the last head count.
@emmanueldacunha3211
3 жыл бұрын
@@krashd Seems quite few...
@SarahlabyrinthLHC
Жыл бұрын
That's true - there was someone from my school who was on that flight - it was a reward for her for passing her exams. I also knew someone on the ground crew who prepared the flight before takeoff and a member of my family was in the body recovery and identification team. It was a terrible six weeks for him with the sights and smells he had to endure....
@shawni321
3 жыл бұрын
The first part about requesting permission to conduct testing in general aviation airspace is what flagged me. How could they not know it is not allowed?
@tima.478
3 жыл бұрын
As an airline mechanic, I learned years ago...trying to figure out what's in a pilot's head is God's work!
@ismaelbonal6537
5 жыл бұрын
You really make amazing videos and this one is no exception. Great work.
@Cake41579
2 жыл бұрын
The music represents a feeling that’s indescribable and almost puts you in the plane as it’s about to inevitably cross the point of no return. The creator of these videos is a master at creating the experience in a way that nobody has ever done before brilliant
@luckarm5481
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like you cant trust anything anymore
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
UNKNOWN Wow...I you read my mind. People today have a real lack of personal responsibility. It's a cancer destroying the west.
@fidelcatsro6948
5 жыл бұрын
''feel''
@luckarm5481
5 жыл бұрын
fidel catsro Sorry i did not notice that at all
@ibrahimsued4906
5 жыл бұрын
@@watershed44 So true, I've spent, greatly, my life in high personal responsability jobs, relating to human lives, such a honor, but that's becoming exception.
@stevejoshua9536
5 жыл бұрын
That's quite a leap of distrust, and perhaps an overreaction. However, I understand your emotion.
@machia0705
5 жыл бұрын
Whenever maneuvering , know that “altitude is your friend.” I learned that on day one in 1969.
@jayko8841
5 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work you’re doing
@cornelisweeterings4440
5 жыл бұрын
On this day I was ferrying a sailboat from Rosas, Spain to Carnon, France. Due to headwinds I had to divert to Canet for the night. After reporting to the Harbor Master I learned an aircraft had crashed into the sea at exactly the position I was at about one hour before the aircraft went down. Canet Harbor was closed for a day while search and rescue were looking for the wreckage. Very strange coincident since I just retired from my Captain 747 job at KLM.
@junrenong8576
5 жыл бұрын
For your further information, the FAC put the plane on Direct Law (Direct control of aircraft; without proper Flight Envelope Protection), the moment it realised that the data from the sensors (AOA, Airspeed, Attitude etc.) don’t make sense, which by default, hands the final decision and control authority to the PF (Pilot Flying). If the PNF (Pilot Not Flying) was monitoring the instruments, he will realised that the plane was in fact in Direct Law, as the message “USE MAN PITCH TRIM” been displayed on the PFD, in which the PF has to adjust the high pitch trim setting (when AOA protection enables in low speed condition, the Auto-trim will trim the aircraft nose up), but they weren’t aware of that, and the aircraft won’t respond to nose down command since it’s “improperly” trimmed to “Nose Up” position. If the PF adjust the trim to nose down position, the aircraft might have levelled off and still, come out of a stall, and will still have control of the aircraft. But those didn’t happen, and the plane keeps pitching up, until it entered a deep stall and nose dive into the ocean.
@kamaljeetkaur6563
5 жыл бұрын
Exceptional work bro. Hands down to ya. Continue with the brilliant work.
@timothycook2917
5 жыл бұрын
I remember this incident, but I didn't realize it involved Air New Zealand. Thanks for the video and great details
@AEMoreira81
3 жыл бұрын
Technically it involved XL Germany. But the plane had a temporary registration sticker covering the New Zealand registration as it was in full NZ livery.
@devonmoors
5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always from you! More training in retrieving from a stall is so true even today!
@jamesgrieve188
Жыл бұрын
My father was an Air New Zealand Captain at the time. He flew Captain Brian Horell to London on Air New Zealand’s 747-400. Brian would then travel to France for the testing. He and my father exchanged notes, reminiscing of their memories flying together previously on the 767. Brian and the other Kiwis were remembered at a large funeral. Inside Air New Zealand’s B747 hangar. Rest In Peace Captain Horell and to all on board that day.
Warning: I have asked him to do JAL 123 but there’s no Classic Boeing 747 for JAL Airlines.
@woolsheep5359
5 жыл бұрын
How about we just give him some space and slow the requests down? Bet he heard you already by now.
@mariaeloisajacinto4480
5 жыл бұрын
You know what man I doesn't see your request
@donmoore5716
5 жыл бұрын
Here is a thought - YOU do it.
@wannamontana4130
4 жыл бұрын
When they shifted to a downward pitch, I was expecting that acceleration paired with thrust ... to enable them to regain control.
@CorvusHyperion
4 жыл бұрын
Below is also why they failed to recover from the stall, lifted from the report: When the stall warning sounded, the Captain reacted by placing the thrust levers in the TO/GA detent and by pitching the aeroplane down, in accordance with procedures. The nose-down input was not however sufficient for the automatic compensation system to vary the position of the horizontal stabilizer, which had been progressively deflected to the pitch-up stop by this system during the deceleration. The Captain controlled a left roll movement, caused by the stall. The aeroplane’s high angle of attack and the roll movements generated asymmetry, and a speed variation between ADR 1 and 2 appeared. This increasing divergence caused a rejection of the three ADRs by the FAC then the ELAC. The flight control system then passed into direct law. It is likely that the crew did not notice this due to the emergency situation and the aural stall warning that covered the warning of a change of flight control laws. The Air New Zealand pilot, by saying “alpha floor, we’re in manual” likely considered that the alpha floor function had triggered and that in fact the autopilot had disconnected. The aeroplane rapidly regained speed under the dual effect of the increase in thrust and the pitch-down attitude. Under the combined effect of the thrust increase , the increasing speed and the horizontal stabilizer still at the pitch-up stop, the aeroplane was subject to pitch-up moment that the Captain could not manage to counter, even with the sidestick at the nose-down stop. The exchanges between the pilots at this time show that they did not understand the behaviour of the aeroplane. In particular, the aeroplane’s lack of reaction to the nose-down control input did not draw their attention to the position of the horizontal stabilizer and the loss of the auto-trim function. The aeroplane attitude increased sharply and its speed dropped to the point that rendered it practically uncontrollable, the flight control surfaces becoming ineffective due to the low speed and the high angle of attack. The aeroplane stalled again, this time irrecoverably, bearing in mind the aeroplane’s altitude and without any crew inputs on the trim wheel and the thrust levers. The loss of control was thus caused by a thrust increase performed with a full pitch-up horizontal stabilizer position. This position and the engine thrust made pitch down control impossible. It should be noted that the PF made no inputs on the horizontal stabilizer nor reduced the thrust and that the PNF did not intervene. This seems to indicate that none of them were aware that the automatic trim system, which relieves the pilot of any actions to trim the aeroplane, was no longer available. In the absence of preparation and anticipation of the phenomenon, the habit of having the automatic trim system available made it difficult to return to flying with manual trimming of the aeroplane.
@wendysw714
4 жыл бұрын
WOW! Thanks for that, even though some of the terms/acronyms flew right over my head (pun intended)! 😀
@gwendolyncarter5668
5 жыл бұрын
Is this related to that same ole infamous blocked pinot tubes type scenario at all? Ive seen so much about those , just scary. Just seemed familiar. You always put so much detail and hard work into this, plus I'm sure tons of research and then all your technical skills getting it so life like! Thanks ! We all really appreciate it , we really do ....plus you are always so respectful to the ones lost. Very classy!
@ladykiri42
5 жыл бұрын
They're pitot tubes, and are supposed to be cleared and checked during every pre-flight. If blocked, the airplane can fall from the sky.
@organfreak
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Gwendolyn, blocked pitot tubes have caused more than a few bad accidents.
@josephking6515
5 жыл бұрын
+ladykiri42. No, a blocked pitot does NOT and cannot cause an aeroplane to "fall from the sky" unless the pilot screws the pooch. A bloked pitot just stops airspeed, altitude and the VSI from registering the correct data. If you set the power to a known setting and maintain the appropriate attitude, you can safely fly until your fuel runs out. During my commercial training, my Instructor put me under a hood to do some instrument flying. Unknown to me he turned me towards a snow storm and along with the elevator getting very still, he told me to put the aeroplane into a climb. Climb speed was normally 75 knots but as I raised the nose after increasing to climb power the airspeed rose to 105 knots. I immediately distrusted the ASI and flew with the appropriate attitude on the artificial horizon and we didn't fall from the sky but spent another 0.7 hours flying around under the hood oblivious to what was outside of the 6 pack that was my world at the time.
@htos1av
5 жыл бұрын
I don't know why the AOA sensors couldn't be a sealed, curved glass tube, with enclosed sensors, a la old thermostat technology.
@andrew_koala2974
5 жыл бұрын
Gwendolyn Carter QUOTE blocked pinot tubes ?? They are PITOT tubes ( and the T at the end is silent) Makinh the sound PEET OH. There are a variety of sensors on aircraft, with redundancy built in. However maintenance must observe correct procedures. People being what they are often take short-cuts, many are inherently lazy, and often people do not pay attention to detail and are forgetful. These are human errors that can and often are fatal. I started learning to fly at age 13 and has a PPL (private Pilots License before reaching my 16th BD) I was licensed to fly but not old enough to have a Car license ... Go figure that one out as I learned to drive a car at age 8. My flying instructors were RAF pilots. I no longer hold a Pilots license as my eyesight is below the acceptable standard. However the knowledge does not diminish. It would seem to me that there are commercial pilots who rely too much on automation and have somehow forgotten basic manual flying skills which re required when systems fail. Though it must be stated that when systems fail things go from bad to worse very quickly, numerous alarms sounding at once, fault after fault appearing on screen, and there is not a lot of time to analyze the fault condition. There comes a point where it all can become overwhelming, and when panic sets in .. You're done. Game over. Pilot fatigue is another serious issue .. as is get there'itis....
@dannymurphy1779
5 жыл бұрын
Wow one of the very best ones, great work. Sort of reminds me of the French Airbus test pilot tragedy you did so well.
4 жыл бұрын
"leaves Perpignon airspace" (little mistake), the city is Perpignan :) keep on the good job, I love it
@24pekanpie
4 жыл бұрын
On the treadmill binge watching!
@TheKlumpott
5 жыл бұрын
Always an excellent production!
@billyost1479
5 жыл бұрын
Altitude. Not enough... an no one walks away. What were they thinking?!?
@Milton1972
5 жыл бұрын
Hablo español. ..pero siempre veo estos vídeos en inglés. ..Saludos a tod@s desde Asunción Paraguay
@Milton1972
5 жыл бұрын
@AWP SKIN Counter Strike Global Offensive This history was complicated to understand. But I tried. ..Un abrazo!
@Pindi44
5 жыл бұрын
Great video, despite the sad outcome. Your graphics are very realistic.
@cozy5458
5 жыл бұрын
oh my god controlling a plane is the hardest thing ever you need fast responsiveness and responsibility! huge respect to all the pilots
@neeleshchithru6558
5 жыл бұрын
Y do u respect them? They literally did tests at an unrecoverble altitude and everyone died. Whats uo wid u?!
@paulinbrooklyn
3 жыл бұрын
@@neeleshchithru6558 I reckon cozy was not writing about these specific pilots (who, after all, were the proximate cause of the fatal crash regardless of the two frozen AOA sensors), but about commercial airline pilots generally.
@rooneyrythm
5 жыл бұрын
Great vids. I recommend that you change the font, the current one is very dense and hard to read especially set in all caps.
@andersongillette1886
5 жыл бұрын
amazing as usual
@theflightchannel
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!!!! 😊😊😊
@linzbarber
5 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to Fridays and seeing a new vid from you! Thank you
@PluckyUnderdog
3 жыл бұрын
Great videos, these. There's clearly a hell of a lot of work involved. Conducting a stall test so close to the ground is just mental. There's a reason why they're done higher up. Faulty AOA sensors or not, the pilots were daft.
@snorlaxzz05.__
5 жыл бұрын
Nice video.. before i watch i already click the thumb up
@ptnnnnn197
5 жыл бұрын
@Cindy Tartt who cares?
@juangama1850
5 жыл бұрын
@@ptnnnnn197 >>> an infinite amount of more people than care about your crap comments.
@chirag9782
5 жыл бұрын
620 likes and 4 dislike that says your dedication is highly appreciated 👌🏻🙏🏻
@romanjr8129
5 жыл бұрын
why did they perform the stall test in low altitude ?
@kosmosyche
5 жыл бұрын
Overconfidence, imho. I think, it's just human nature, sadly. Once you have too much experience under your belt, and become too confident at what you do (in this case flying an airplane), you become less and less responsive to notions such as "Wait, we probably shouldn't do this and instead follow the protocol and all the safety precautions". You start thinking like "What the hell, let's do this now, and get it over with quicker, boys, what could go wrong anyways." I'm assuming too much of the pilots state of minds, of course, but it just seems very likely to me.
@jaguarxj1
5 жыл бұрын
They had plane configured already from previous test I think and decided to go for it, regardless of the altitude as they wanted to perform as much as they could.... (that's my understanding) :)
@vidura
5 жыл бұрын
That is called stupidity. It grows within a person regardless of experience or ANY other character trait. In this instant, there just was too much collective stupidity on maintenance personnel (didn't protect plane LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE) and flying personnel (you don't fuck with planes like that, unless you are a born idiot) which led to this accident. Stop making excuses for stupid people. We have that already enough. Instead, put blame where it belongs. Carelessness is a trait of idiot.
@watershed44
5 жыл бұрын
vidura Even not being a pilot I would have NEVER attempted that test when the minimum height was 10,000 ft! I can't believe they did it especially considering it WAS a test of an unknown plane.
@PB-xr3jl
5 жыл бұрын
@@vidura i'm retired pilot but I remember as a young tug pilot getting pissed when an older airline pilot coming in with a P210 at low level and maximum speed across the field. I complained about the behaviour and was subsequently lectured about my airmanship by this much more experience guy. two days later he crashed his P210 due to fuel starvation. his head hung lower than my waist if you think you know it all - you're wrong
@werquantum
4 жыл бұрын
Needless to say, the deal fell through.
@cameronyoung6769
5 жыл бұрын
Ya I'm never flying again. Already given a second chance at life I don't think I'll get a third.
@saltnugget
5 жыл бұрын
What happened to you
@thirstonhowellthebird
4 жыл бұрын
Cam Young what a horrible way to go out.
@ginaf2103
5 жыл бұрын
It's human error in most cases. I can't stop watching this channel. Thank you
@tensevo
3 жыл бұрын
not really, the aircraft almost always fails first, then it is, the wrong response that leads to disaster.
@roberthorvath8955
5 жыл бұрын
Alot of work went into this....great job! Looking forward to the next one man!!
@oldnepalihippie
5 жыл бұрын
Great work TFC! So sad, this one. Happens ALL THE TIME to me in FSX, but heck, I'm just in an armchair and don't have near the hours that a real pilot does. Must be hair-raising to be a test pilot :(
@unclelar53
5 жыл бұрын
High tech is a wonderful thing.....until it doesn't work. Slow speed maneuvers, at low altitude, is nuts.
@tensevo
3 жыл бұрын
We like to say, it works until it doesn't. It is our job to be better at using tech, which means less blind trust.
@anitarastogi6536
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, wonderful video, yet again! Thank You!
@jokerdejesus4756
3 жыл бұрын
Man I fight myself to stop watching these but there so addictive don't know why rip to all who lost their lives
@getmeouttatennessee4473
2 жыл бұрын
What a horrible day in the history of Air New Zealand. 💔 My heart goes out to the families of everyone lost in both incidents. The Antarctica one was especially tragic. I know that date well in 2016 as we had horrific wildfires in our mountains that day/night that claimed 14 lives, more than 2000 structures and untold numbers of wildlife. I've had two horrible incidents on Thanksgiving day in my past so, late November is a time I despise. Thank you for so much hard work FC.
@pureblood1978x
5 жыл бұрын
More beautiful work! Keep it up.
@theflightchannel
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 😊
@muhammadalfathirrasyaardha9147
5 жыл бұрын
Perfect video, as always! Good joob bro!👍
@cambsy37
4 жыл бұрын
Think this channel brilliant for information on accidents and disaster , so much covered by you, from the well known disasters to stuff ive never heard of or read about, I’m into disasters a lot, and u are up there with the major network disaster series, really enjoy your videos, keep them coming, cant get enough , love your work and videos.
@ALucario_CalledMarcos875
3 жыл бұрын
Moral of the history: Never perform a stall test at low altitudes
@mutterschied
4 жыл бұрын
There's been gone great valuable lives in this accident! God bless them an their beloved one, and let's correct our attitude facing the future.....
@S4BR
5 жыл бұрын
Good video I remember watching this on Air Crash Investigation
@DollarDude
Жыл бұрын
Imagine putting your plane into a stall on purpose for a test but not allowing enough altitude to correct it when it stalls. That's like doing a safety check of your bungee cord after you've already jumped.
@tomstravels520
Жыл бұрын
They didn’t intend to stall the plane. They were expecting the computer to prevent the stall as would normally happen. However I agree they should have done it higher incase of a problem
@tima.478
3 жыл бұрын
I learn so much from TheFlightChannel....especially that you don't want that piano in your life!
@joshansharma4244
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Flight channel , I want to know your personal opinion about air travel and how safe do you consider it ? Has the work related to this channel in anyway changed your opinion as it revolves only around crashes and mishaps ? Please reply , Thank you!
@HelloMyNamesNino
Жыл бұрын
Yeah sure he’s gonna type you an essay on it in between videos
@farhandastager001
5 жыл бұрын
Good job mate ❤️ God bless you 😊 Love from Pakistan 🇵🇰❤️🔥
@drevil2675
5 жыл бұрын
This channel is the second best air crash stimulation behind ngo one . Well done 👍🏻
@nirbahir3104
5 жыл бұрын
My conclusions: 1) Overconfidence kills, 2) Overdoing your job and posing as the strict guy is not helpful, 3) Technical means as well as procedures should be devised to test all sensors of an aircraft on the ground, pre-flight.
@tomstravels520
4 жыл бұрын
Nir Bahir the testing of sensors wouldn’t have helped as it was the water freezing due to altitude that caused issue so on ground they wouldn’t have detected anything
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