I like the Head to Head format. Very interesting; especially if you don't have the pens being featured. I'd love to see an M800 V Penbbs 500 comparison.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, F! Got your letter in the mail yesterday! :)
@13noman1
Жыл бұрын
Enjoyable as always -- especially that shot of a Sharpie and "fine motor skills" commentary.
@kevinlandon7578
3 жыл бұрын
I love my Moonman M800 in emerald green even more now since I swapped the stock nib for a Goulet nib. thanks for your video doing something similar.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
That's good to know, Kevin. The Goulet is a Jowo. Which M800 do you have; the Bock or the Moonman version? The feeds and collars are different and it would be good to know how a Jowo friction fits.
@kevinlandon7578
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds I have the Moonman nib on my M800. The Goulet JoWo fits like a dream on the feed with no problems fitting into the section.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinlandon7578 Excellent. Thanks Kevin!
@kevinlandon7578
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds , you're welcome! I did not have to do the swap with my M600S since its fine nib writes more like a medium and is very smooth plus it is 2 tone as well!
@monopolylife
3 жыл бұрын
Well it’s early but I see a Moonman M800 in my future. My pen for November? I may fine an excuse to purchase it sooner. Beautiful pen. Great video!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Good choice! Thank you, R Lawrence!
@keithwhitney7491
3 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video. I took notes with a Jinhao Classic, which I really liked. However, it really got me thinking about the fact that the first Chinese pens I purchased were really inexpensive: Jinhao 159, e.g. Even my early favorite, the Wing Sung 699, was not the best nib and feed. I often found I needed to develop my tuning skills, and I still had problems with pens drying out. When I stepped up to PENBBS pens and Moonman pens selling at a higher price (prices that are still bargains when compared to European and American-made steel-nib pens). Now that the acrylics include options that are amazing, I discover writing bargains that delight the eyes as well. The $21.50 (Amazon) ivory Jinhao Classic has been an amazing experience. The nib is wet, smooth with just a slight touch of feedback. I write with it daily, and it writes every time (no hard starts or skips). Of course, it could be my good luck, but the Chinese companies are really stepping up. With current exchange rates, prices for comparable pens made in Japan or the Western world make the Chinese pens very attractive. I tire of spending $140 or much more for a cartridge/converter fountain pen made in the West, which in so many cases is just a below average performing pen. Hooray for PENBBS & Moonman...and, perhaps some similarly priced Jinhao fountain pens.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Nicely said, Keith. And Penbbs get special kudos for having an unsurpassed array of excellent acrylics at these price points, plus having the creativity to make their OWN models, and even new innovations (magnet, spring, syringe). Moonman is doing well for quality and range of models but way too many copies. It would be cool if they applied their own creativity to pen design.
@vageli
3 жыл бұрын
This is the beginning of more great things to come from our favorite Thespian Orphic Scholar Pen Bard. The comparison elements are ingenious. Thank you for sharing your refined sense of Art and Pen with all of us.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@zenink2654
3 жыл бұрын
Vagelis stole my answer! LoL
@mannylamont5757
3 жыл бұрын
There's also Pen Boutique in grand state of Maryland.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Cool! Thanks, Manny!
@edisontrent5244
3 жыл бұрын
Galaxy is a beautiful color! I hope that Moonman starts making these in some of the new Jinhao 100 colors - a blue and white one would be nice. It is interesting the slighty darker color from the ink in the Moonman as well.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
If Moonman made more colours of the M800, I'd be all over it. I'd hope they would be as chatoyant and pearlescent as the existing four and not the flatter finishes I see on the Jinhao 100's.
@edisontrent5244
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds Maybe a better sample would be the Penlux Masterpiece Grande in the blue and white koi pattern, I have no experience with the pen other than pictures. There are also some really great diamond cast resins showing up, hopefully they will become more available as well.
@muchasgracias6976
3 жыл бұрын
5:45 John Houseman or, old Mr Machen who, 'told us ghost stories', in John Carpenter's The Fog. Love him! As for the pens, I prefer the shape of the 308 but prefer the size of the M800. Thanks for the comparison.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias, muchas gracias!
@BC7Bill
3 жыл бұрын
Thank for the list of pen sellers, I had all the US ones. I may have to look at some of the overseas offerings. Thanks for a very entertaining review!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
@TheresaRobertsonLROL
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I was comparing the two in consideration of with one to buy. It's like your video was made just for me. 😂
@anniebus105
3 жыл бұрын
That was great! Both are beautiful pens and I am glad that both are in my collection. Like you, I enjoy the section of the M800 a little bit more for writing than the 308. I still hate fine nibs. Just considering the beauty of each pen, the cost justifies buying each even with nibs I may not like. Nibs are easily changeable. I am a fan of the yellow gold on pens vs. silver. Thank you, Doug. I look forward to the next match-up! Have a great day.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Annie! :)
@RobertMaguire67
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Doug.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you, Rob!
@edisontrent5244
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Doug! All of the content was very informative. I think that the diagram you created was fantastic and something I have never seen in any pen reviews.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you! The diagram is just a normal reflex from decades teaching in front of a blackboard.
@davecharvella4854
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! And, I with you on more "girthier" pen sections!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@stargazer1359
3 жыл бұрын
I like the gold trim on the Galaxy finish.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
It keeps the blue from making the pen look too cold.
@jeffreyclayman6922
4 ай бұрын
Glad I found this Galaxy review! Love that finish! Are there any Mooman 800 or other models or Jinhao or Wing Sung pens that accept the fit of the PenBBS rollerball unit?
@InkquiringMinds
4 ай бұрын
No. Only PenBBS
@ZenMasterIDontThink
3 жыл бұрын
Please do more head to head pieces; they are interesting and different. what more does a person need.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
More planned! Thanks!
@julesuiterwijk3218
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison, as always i very much enjoy the way you review in a serene, charismatic way wich creates a very pleasant atmosphere
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@stargazer1359
3 жыл бұрын
🎼Let's all go to the lobby, let's all go to the lobby....🎶 I will be singing this all the live long day, thanks, Doug!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
I'm pleased to brighten your day, Stacy! :)
@archivist17
3 жыл бұрын
That hot dog bun is kinda weird...
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
@@archivist17 I'm old enough to remember going to the drive-in to watch a double feature. Between films, they would show these awful cartoons to get you to go to the snack bar. When the hot dog finally jumps into the bun (after a maddening 5 minutes of jumping around and doing tricks for the bun) everyone in the drive-in would start honking their horns! LOL
@martinlebl631
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds Yeah, nothing suggestive or phallic about that animation at all.
@JoelTurrell
3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on having the courage to attempt this type of review. I did something similar a few months back with my own collection and found that my preference for gold over silver grew as I aged. I also found myself placing great importance on a life expectancy/durability quotient I called "quality" because of my limited vocabulary. I even applied it to the two pens in question here. My judgment was that the M800 was a pen I would still be using years after the 308 had died. Ad-mittedly, I did not apply structural analysis or other engineering tests to the two pens, only the visceral instincts developed over decades of using various tools and manufactured products. What is your judgment on that criterion?
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it courage. I'd call it naïve stupidity! LOL I would evaluate the quality of the M800 and the 308 as equal and wouldn't expect that the M800 would have any longer life-span than the 308. All of these less expensive, Chinese-made pens, would have roughly the same longevity in my opinion. Perhaps 10 years? The plating on the hardware is too thin to stand up to more than that I'd wager.
@martinlebl631
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds Most plating will go with enough use. True on Jinhao it goes in a few months of daily use, and on my Visconti Opera it took many years of daily use, but it did happen eventually. Both pens still write just fine though, and I don't mind the look of a well worn pen, if it is not affecting the writing functionality, which worn plating doesn't. As long as the rest of the pen stays intact I would consider it just a part of getting older. Not sure I would consider my Moonmans better made than my PenBBS pens.
@zenink2654
3 жыл бұрын
If I might interject a thought; I feel that there might also be some "handling bias" that could well lead to expedited degradation of less expensive pens, as their perceived value is lower, thus our aversion to their potential retirement is reduced. My apologies for the lengthy, run on, sentence.
@martinlebl631
3 жыл бұрын
@@zenink2654 Some people like pristine looking pens, while the rest of us are willing to live with some patina. Low quality plating job develops this quicker, but everyday use will get there eventually. Unless it is gold filled, or made of precious metals entirely, but neither is the case with most modern pens. If you are too afraid to use the pen for fear of damaging it while writing with it, then why do you own it. What is the point. Pen is meant to write. All of mine get inked and write, unless I don't like how they write. If I had a pricey pen that didn't write, it would be gone, unless it was a family heirloom or something like that.
@lucm6476
3 жыл бұрын
Don't you just love when Galaxies collides? Cool vid ,thank you Doug
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Luc! :)
@jacobus57
3 жыл бұрын
Great review and hard call! I do find the M 800 (and Leonardo) section--and I agree it's milk bottle shape--very attractive. It is similar to the section on Ahabs, which I love even though the pen itself can be a real pain!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jacquie!
@paulmetdebbie447
3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Akkerman in Amsterdam and The Hague (also for the famous ink bottles). Both excellent shops in The Netherlands that supply world wide.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the additional online store. Akkerman is the only place to get Akkerman ink too!
@MrAndrew1953
3 жыл бұрын
Moonman M800 for mine. You're right about Seniors preferring gold. I bought an Australian made fountain pen from Artisan - a Sigaro Red Ring with a German ( Bock /Jowo) hand ground Asian style Broad nib. Cigar shape, no clip. It has the largest Section of any pen I own.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
I'm just writing with a new Leonardo Furore Grande this morning. Very large section. Verrry nice.
@archivist17
3 жыл бұрын
I'm just a kid of 56, and I actively avoid gold-coloured trim on my pens. Don't like it at all! Which reminds me, I must send Beini a message about a silver collar for my 471.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
@@archivist17 Whipper snapper! Get off my gold coloured lawn!
@ericrollo615
3 жыл бұрын
An excellent review Doug although maybe a little biased as both nibs are PENbbs (: just joking. As you concluded its up to the pen style we like which is mainly section thickness and length. Looking forward to you next comparison reviews as it does give good insight into the differences with various pens available.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
LOL! Thanks, Eric. But, as I said in the previous video, Moonman nibs have been awful to okay, with the majority in the awful range for me. Where the Penbbs nibs have been from good to awesome with the majority in the good to great range.
@ericrollo615
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds wait till you try an italix nib and the nib in the cheapest italix is as good as the most expensive
@jacobus57
3 жыл бұрын
And those thicker sections/pens are great for people like me with hand damage or arthritis!!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
And so far, I'm loving the even larger milk-bottle shaped section on the new Leonardo Furore Grande!
@archivist17
3 жыл бұрын
I've got to admit, I was writing with my son's Stabilo Easy Buddy earlier, and it really appealed.
@kapirk2244
3 жыл бұрын
Love a good laugh with my coffee. “Yes, I know, I had Lasagna.” And, so many more! I have a flat top preference, but I have both, rounded and flat. But when a pen company offers both, I will always go for the flat top. I love the gold accents on the M800, but the section of preference is on the 308, but I have not tried to M800 section so I can’t make that an absolute. I really do need or want to pick up a M800, I just love the body style, and the accent bands, it’s a really good looking pen, and I already have a 308 Amber is a Cat filled with Colorverse Monument Valley. So....... what else was in that box? 😁
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
LOL. There were a couple of things in THAT box. My wife's 471 Starry Night and the Penbbs 100 14k gold nib, both of which I have reviewed. There was another box that had four Penbbs pens which I haven't got to yet; Penbbs 355 in Amber, Niangao and Galaxy and a 480 Cedar.
@martinlebl631
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds The section is a much milder in person than in photos. I haven't got M800 for a long time, but having gotten it recently I can say the section doesn't bother me, and I was really worried about that.
@TheJaws27
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and thank you :-)
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@greyareaRK1
3 жыл бұрын
I was a bit disappointed with my M800 inasmuch as I found it a bit too light and short, and the Bock nib needed work. It's a beautiful pen, but I have larger hands, so it has to be posted, and even so my grip if further up, which makes it sub-optimal for comfort. The disappointment about the weight was in comparison to the 600s, which feels more substantial, despite being narrower. I wasn't sure about the conical ends when I ordered it, but I was hoping they'd grow on me in person. They didn't, so I ground them down into nicely rounded, polished ends. A 100% aesthetic improvement, IMHO. I don't have a 308 yet, but I'll be ordering one shortly. Personally, I prefer brass or copper over gold. I find the silver/gold depends on the resin colour for me, but it's true that my sons find gold trim a bit gaudy.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
That's a cool mod to the M800 John!
@i.c.3157
3 жыл бұрын
Since they're both great options it would come down to me being nitpicky which means the 308 wins mainly because I like the boring shape, it comes in rhodium trim, the converter matches the trim unlike the m800, the clip looks nicer since it's more "low profile", and the option to eyedropper it, is always nice to have. Both nibs I found performed pretty well but I usually did some tuning, like I do on most of my nibs just to make them fit my preference, either way great video as always an keep up the good work.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
All great points, IC! And yes, when you consider "type of use" as a factor and you were using a pen for lengthy periods away from your ink bottles, I'd say the 308 would be the one I'd grab before the M800. BTW, I don't care what the converter looks like in a non-transparent pen.
@arigvi101
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison! I recently found your channel and noticed that you've had a few moonman and penbbs pens. I'm currently thinking of getting a pen from one of these brands . Would you prefer penbbs or moonman? Specifically I'm considering the Moonman C1 or the penbbs 308. Thanks!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome! Watch today's video and you'll see which I would recommend of the two! :)
@AdamGoodson
3 жыл бұрын
Saw this video and I compared Galaxy to Galaxy and then my wallet took a hit and I bought both. Should be here...soonish. Th k you for reviewing these pens!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Atta boy!
@AdamGoodson
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds there is just something special about that Blue Galaxy look. Plus, it is so rare to see a proper cigar-shaped pen that is under $50 at that level of quality as that of the PenBBS 308. Plus, the Moonman ‘800 is my attempt at dreaming of the Blue Hawaiian Leonardo.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
I’m planning a video “The PenBBS 308 is the best fountain pen for the money in the world “. I need a shorter title. I’m comparing my MZ Blue Hawaii with my new MZ Prugna on Saturday!
@AdamGoodson
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds “Out of this GALAXY Pen without the Intergalactic Price Tag!”
@AdamGoodson
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds “The 308 that no one can hate! PenBBS wins Etsy!”
@archivist17
3 жыл бұрын
Two very attractive pens. And Galaxy is obviously The Best material.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Except when Amber is a Cat is involved... then I'm committed to being firmly on the fence.
@archivist17
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds Fair call. Anyway, what do i know? I'm just here for the Python clips!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
@@archivist17 LOL "Wait for it!"
@magnoliamike
3 жыл бұрын
I like the M-800 just might get one down the line
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mike!
@willk4599
3 жыл бұрын
Ok, my apologies if I missed it. Did the MM800 come with the penbbs nib or did you swap it out? Also, I’ve purchased a pen manufactured in Asia-Pacific and had an issue with the metal coating flake off. Have you had any problem with these manufacturers? That’s the only thing holding me back on purchasing the MM800. So, how long have you had this pen and would you say it’s used heavily so that wear an tear would have revealed any issues by now? Thank you!
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Bill! Yes. I swapped the nib out almost immediately from the original Moonman nib when I got the pen last February. The Penbbs fine nib that is in it now was a gift from viewer Luc. M. and is one of the best nibs I own, steel or gold. The pen has NO issues at all. It doesn't dry out, it doesn't leak, it doesn't skip. I've used KWZ Azure #5 in it since the start and will continue with it. It doesn't go places because I don't go anywhere so it probably doesn't get the kind of abuse it would get if it were in a bag, pocket or briefcase every day. But, if it were damaged, cracked, stained, or the thin gold plate wore off... $25 and I've got another.
@agradoville
3 жыл бұрын
The more I see the M800 the more I like it. I have 2 Moonman pens and I am not a fan of the medium nibs. Might have to switch over to looking at the M800 again. Is it difficult to switch out the m800 nib with a penbbs nib?
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Not at all, Andy. Just pull and push. Use the Moonman feed. This works with either the Bock nib collar or the Moonman. I 've done it with both.
@tiantuatara
3 жыл бұрын
Your galaxies colliding was better than the movie.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
LOL! Thanks, Terri!
@MissMarilynDarling
3 жыл бұрын
ok i remember you talking about this but which of the pens the moonman m800 has the standard international the bock nib or the moonman nib the reason i ask is cause i have a lot more standard jinhao converters than i do propriety converters in case one fails
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
The Bock version is a standard international, the Moonman version is not. But the Bock is 50% more expensive.
@MissMarilynDarling
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds thank you
@zenink2654
3 жыл бұрын
Okay... I think I might have decided on the M800 as my birthday pen. Wonder if I can get one by the 11th? Lol
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
That would be some good shipping from China!
@zenink2654
3 жыл бұрын
LoL!
@zenink2654
3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for on this side of the planet, as we speak! That galaxy is REALLY pretty, but I wonder I can find it in amber...? I still really would love to have myself something in amber!
@mrpilotsapien7705
3 жыл бұрын
wait so you men to tell me you can stll order from asia!? I still Havent gotten my package!!!! This was since May
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
It all depends on where you shop. Etsy seems to be better than most eBay although some eBay shops are very good; Bobby Pens being one "officesuppliespen".
@andrewanddewi966
3 жыл бұрын
A passel of pens?
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
I like that! A Passel of Pens! Sounds like a novel.
@grahamparr3933
3 жыл бұрын
My wife prefers a larger girth👍
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
Things you can do to help with that Graham! LOL
@williamcrane1
3 жыл бұрын
So the Pandemic has spawned a pendemic. Back in the early 80s I met John Houseman at 30th Street station. His expression and demeanor were not unlike those in the clip, as he was late for his train. Oh, I’m beginning to see a pattern here concerning your extolment of galaxy resin pens. 🤔
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
LOL thanks Bill!
@March22012
3 жыл бұрын
It’s Wednesday...and I don’t have any galaxies...
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
You're in luck J! There are five left! www.etsy.com/listing/851581745/penbbs-308-acrylic-fountain-pen-52?ref=hp_rv-1
@ichirofakename
3 жыл бұрын
That's one weird milk bottle section. I wonder how that was arrived at.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
I'll have to ask Salvatore!
@martinlebl631
3 жыл бұрын
Works better than it looks.
@Pampaku
3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only crazy b*stard that doesn't write in cursive with fountain pens? I just enjoy writing in all caps.
@monopolylife
3 жыл бұрын
Andrés Vargas Aguilar I write in cursive or non-cursive. Just depends on the mood.
@nickturner2813
3 жыл бұрын
I can write in cursive, that's why I write in cursive. 55 years ago I handed in an English essay written in capitals to my teacher; the only comment he made was "Can't you write?". Never did it again and it's stuck in my mind ever since.
@archivist17
3 жыл бұрын
I write in print, as I'm a leftie and my cursive is even more illegible than normal, and I got fed up with the constant hectoring of teachers.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
I've never been able to call non-cursive, "writing". It is printing. That being said, I printed for decades (architecture) and only wrote in cursive when taking quick notes that I had difficulty deciphering myself!
@martinlebl631
3 жыл бұрын
@@InkquiringMinds You know your handwritting is messy if you have trouble reading/deciphering it. Still it is a security feature, and not a problem I tell you.
@martinlebl631
3 жыл бұрын
Obligatory comment on too many ads. Any ad interesting a 16 minute video is one too many after already having been subjected to a couple at the beginning. I hope that is just KZitem being stupid again.
@InkquiringMinds
3 жыл бұрын
KZitem adds advertisements on any monetized video over 8 minutes long now automatically. There is a manual option, which allows you to move ads to specific places in the video. I do this for EVERY video and remove all of KZitem's automatic ads (sometimes four for a 15 minute video!) and replace them with one ad in a natural transition in the video. Plus, I make them skippable ads instead of those frustrating ones that you have to sit through - sometimes two in a row! Those are the ads in the middle of videos. Of course, KZitem ads advertisements to the front and the end of videos as well.
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