OMG Kris!!! You helped me with a lighbulb moment!!! Thank you!!! I have never had the roots of stable family, friends and/or church family. I was always questioning everything, and they don't like that. Family emeshment has caused more entanglements. That is causing some fears today even though I am stable with work and family by choice. I'm so glad I see that shadow now. They take your spiritually and call it theirs. I'm so happy to see so many bad ass women standing up and taking their power back!!! I look up to you both!!!
@sandybowers5085
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@CultstoConsciousness
9 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️
@cindihunter9119
9 ай бұрын
😊
@greendragon4058
9 ай бұрын
Oh that's wonderful I hope you continue on your journey sending you lots of love. I love Chris she is wonderful
@joelbowyer
9 ай бұрын
THIS!!! It is crazy how much these interviews help guide each of our own understandings of our identities. Glad that you were able to finally have this understanding of yourself in your life journey.
@tdsollog
9 ай бұрын
Silence helps protect the offenders more than the survivors. It’s so sad.
@alexrader5822
9 ай бұрын
I don’t know man, in todays world silence also helps survivors sometimes. I feel like I’m glad I stayed silent because only 3% of cases get brought to justice. Which makes me feel like I would have done all that for what? The justice system is screwed
@chlyri
9 ай бұрын
@@alexrader5822which is still just helping the predators. by nature, keeping quiet doesn't help any survivor.
@michaelparks5669
3 ай бұрын
HUMMM YOU CAN CALL THE POLICE. NO ONE IS PROTECTING THE ABUSERS.
@tdsollog
3 ай бұрын
@@michaelparks5669 Sigh.... you missed the point. Just look around. Very few people want to believe us survivors. Also, in some cases..... those abusers are protected by authorities....
@michaelparks5669
3 ай бұрын
@@tdsollog YOU WILL CAUSE THE VICTIMS TO OFTEN COMMIT SUICIDE.... YOU DO NOT JKNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
@Kenbo53
9 ай бұрын
My experience with being a LDS. I became a LDS member in 2008 after two years of being a member the other so called brothers stopped talking to me and gave me the cold shoulder. LDS members are nice to you to get you to become a member and after you become a member they stop ✋ being nice to you
@lijohnyoutube101
9 ай бұрын
Religion is about indoctrination and power, period. No gods just brainwashing to use others.
@Famr4evr
9 ай бұрын
That is completely the opposite of what we are taught to do!! When we have someone join the church in our area they are basically brought in to our group and loved and become part of our “family”.
@jmfs8738
9 ай бұрын
The horror of sa has no place in the church or anywhere. Go to the legal authorities, legal social assistance, and only go to the church and/or parents if you must. Help is what you need. Your safety, compassion, and sanity are first. Other people’s needs are way down the list. You are loved and worth real and ongoing care.
@ChickenStamps
9 ай бұрын
I just moved to this same tiny Mormon town because I need to live with my brother who has been living here for many years. I left the church earlier this year and in just three weeks I have found that I am a definite outsider. I’m very outgoing and I make friends easily so I’m hopeful that I don’t stay an outsider for long even though I’m never seen in their wards on Sunday.
@kristjanahillberg5319
9 ай бұрын
Sending you so much love a you navigate what feels right & best for you ❤
@Rain_Reign
9 ай бұрын
How twisted the way religions bake in these threats to every facet of our beings just to keep us in line! It’s a complete subversion of human spirituality, which should simply be love, beauty, connection, and goodness. This conversation perfectly described so much about why I HAD to leave the faith I was raised in - it was fundamentally unsafe for me. I wish I’d had access to discussions like this when I was a teenager trying to get out, but Shelise (and Jonathan, and Oscar!) I am super grateful that you’re here making sure that the people who need to hear these things right now have a place to find what they’re looking for ♥️✨
@Zeett09
9 ай бұрын
“Another level of mind fuckery”. I’m stealing that line.
@Dawn-fy7be
4 ай бұрын
Blessings can’t be earned; love can’t be earned; Grace can’t be earned.
@raigenhuss7030
9 ай бұрын
Jordan and McKay pointed out something interesting in a video; Mormons tend to be very sweet and kind, but remember what they are taught to be. Members are commanded to speak softly, be polite, not laugh too loudly, do nothing to draw attention to themselves and draw as many people to Mormonism as possible. Of course this doesn’t speak for every individual, we all make our own choices. But it is sad to think that peoples kindness could have that kind of ulterior motive.
@chlyri
9 ай бұрын
they're taught to be nice, not kind. niceties are superficial and often come with strings. those who are genuinely kind are so by their own choices, not because the church encouraged it.
@kirsten1339
9 ай бұрын
@@chlyriThere is a difference between nice and kind. But I disagree with you. I grew up LDS, and it definitely taught me to be kind- as in acting with compassion and helpfulness. No strings. There's still a lot surrounding that kindness that could be discussed, and there's definitely hypocrisy and lack of kindness in lots of situations. But the type of kindness that it does have, when it has it, is not just a superficial "nice" or polite. It often has a lot of work behind it- weeding gardens, shoveling snow, baking bread, giving up toys for other children. Real effort. And I see that still when I visit Utah. My parents are old and the young people in the neighborhood will help them take care of their yard when it gets overgrown- without pay. They don't have to do that. They aren't even friends with my parents. But they do it and they make my parents feel okay about it so they aren't embarrassed- because they are kind. There are a lot of problems in LDS culture but there is a lot of kindness
@StarringAnya
9 ай бұрын
I've been hoping for a collab!
@chlyri
9 ай бұрын
@@kirsten1339 the church doesn't actually teach anyone anything they couldn't have learned elsewhere, and it fails to truly exemplify what it preaches. it's all about the members, not the organization.
@lijohnyoutube101
9 ай бұрын
This is a cornerstone of religious brainwashing. Watch the documentary Shiny happy people.
@hollywebster6844
9 ай бұрын
I never told anyone of my abuse because 1) I knew no one would believe me, and 2) I felt like the abuses were somehow my fault. Not until I was in therapy decades afterwards did I speak my truth. I'm grateful that I have had competent psychotherapists over the years. One other thing about how pervasive blaming the victim is: I was recently hit by a drunk driver. One of the first things many (if not most) people said after hearing this news was to ask me what time of day the accident happened. How is the time of day important? If the accident happened at 2:30 in the morning was it somehow my fault for driving right after the bars close? Because the accident happened in the afternoon, am I absolved of fault? This accident has been restimulating on so many levels of trauma.
@kristjanahillberg5319
9 ай бұрын
So glad you were able to find someone to trust in a safe environment to share! Sending you so much love. 💕
@underscore3842
9 ай бұрын
I love that term “willful ignorance” such a great descriptor
@nerysghemor5781
9 ай бұрын
I still can't get over the idea of considering someone responsible for what their rapist did to them. I'm a Methodist and I do believe you should wait until marriage but it would NEVER occur to me to go after anyone but the rapist in that situation! AND I should point out if someone has consensual sex before marriage, there is no required confession to the minister in Methodism. That is considered to be between you and God. In fact, when it comes to Communion (which is what the Mormon sacrament originally came from), the idea of denying it to someone who sinned is exactly the OPPOSITE of what we're told it's for. We're told we should take Communion BECAUSE we aren't perfect and BECAUSE we need help and healing. NOT because we're in any way worthy of it or can or should try to earn it.
@ms.fancypants8548
9 ай бұрын
The letter that Kris received from the daughter of the woman who was so ugly to her was very touching. I am so glad that she received some validation for her feelings and experiences.
@joelbowyer
9 ай бұрын
*Kris* Firstly, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK!!! You are such a light, especially when you discuss your past and emphasize the necessary changes to prevent others from falling into the horribly repressive narrative. In the beginning you stated things that REALLY resonated with me, but from a different side of life. I was closeted until ~21 years due to this disgustingly conservative state (Texas). But this theme of the silence feeling almost necessary in order to stay safe, that was me with coming out (as with many others). I (thankfully) wasn't really forced into religion TOO hard once I was older, but grew up with christianity heavily enforced from all sides. I cannot imagine those who have the weight of religion bearing down on them, whether in the LGBTQ+ community or not, pushing you to question every single step you take in life. *You enlightened me even more* just now when discussing the pressures you felt from every angle. The absolutely disorienting feeling of 'what is next?' CONSTANTLY bearing down on you.. I have nothing but admiration and every ounce of respect for making it through and fighting your traumas every day. Your story helps in ways you will never fully know, but on behalf of me and everyone else who get the gracious experience of hearing your raw life story, thank you. Thank you for the courage, the strength and the absolute passion you have for making a difference. *Shelise & Jonathan* This goes for you guys too. I know I comment on every single video, reiterating the same things a lot of the time, but thank you so much for this platform. The way you guys structure things and are realistic form all perspectives (even in giving the minimal credit the churches are due from time to time for doing *something* positive for once).. it is refreshing and so damn commendable. Since the birth of this channel you guys have given a lot of guidance in my own mental health journey, even not experiencing the life as a 'cult member.' This platform is going to do wonders for the world, cannot wait to see the growth yet to come. And, as always, much love and support. Everyone that has been and will be part of this channel, interviewed or running the show, you deserve the world for what you are doing.
@Jillian-le1nc
9 ай бұрын
You both look so pretty!
@swk258
9 ай бұрын
Utterly eye-opening.
@deborahtate7763
9 ай бұрын
My faith is only between myself and God, why would a regular jo in the church be better to confess to, than confessing to God, himself. Your business is your business. I hate religions that put individuals on a pedestal above others.
@mallen6783
9 ай бұрын
Little thought, that I have, what if when you pray to god, you actually pray to yourself and that you are your own god that can answer your prayers?!
@sherra-sama
9 ай бұрын
Silence is not only safer, but the systems that be within the LDS church know how to encourage silence. Compassion for individuals still in the church is something I can muster up with some effort, but I still just don't understand how anyone, let alone a group of both men and women who can look at the S A of a 9-year old (myself) let alone a leader's own daughters, and think that it's at all ethical, righteous, or otherwise beneficial to separate said 9-year old from their mother to ask them to forgive their abuser. Of course I said yes, I had no idea what was going on. I was disassociated, I was traumatized not only from this but my father had just passed away barely over a year before, my entire family was upended and it was the LDS church who scooped us up with all that love and compassion and USED an already broken family, broke them even more so they could preserve the peace or whatever. I feel for Kris because of the extra deconstruction she had to go through, I wasn't raised in the church, so my eventual casting it off never really bothered me because I never believed in it anyway. I know that sounds like a position of privilege, but they stole literal years of my childhood away that I either can't remember because I think I was actually going insane, or so angry at the world that I just wanted to light everything on fire. It has taken me well into my 30s just to learn how to feel my own feelings properly. My silence wasn't a tragedy so much as a raging inferno that consumed everything good around me. I apologize to anyone I hurt along the path of that rage, just not to the church itself. For the record, he's still free and an active member, so keep a close watch on your children, please.
@KC-or1ic
9 ай бұрын
How awful. I'm so sorry you went through this. Can you bring charges against him now? I found out way after the fact that my next door neighbor abused his pre teen daughter for years. Of course I had no idea, but I seem to remember I thought he was a bit creepy. For me the worst part was that my dad stayed good friends with him even after he knew what had happened.
@sherra-sama
9 ай бұрын
@@KC-or1ic I'm currently in the process of finding out if I have a legal case against him or the church itself. Matters are somewhat complicated by my mother's silence on the matter at the time, the fact she didn't know this "intervention" happened, and my own inability to process and therefore admit to what happened to me. But there are definitely those that knew. I wish I could say your father remaining friends with that guy surprised me, but I often find myself incapable of being surprised by this crap anymore. The wife of my abuser (and also the mother of the daughters he also did these things to) never even went through with divorcing him. They're still married.
@beebaritter4952
9 ай бұрын
Never never never confess anything damning to the bishop
@annebehnke945
9 ай бұрын
I remember (I'm a non Mormon) going with my friend and her daughter, who had been going to the church because of grandma. We were at a Canada day celebration and the bouncy houses were being run by elders. My friend asked her daughter to run up and say hi go these random elders that she had never met before. Like go say hi to a teenage boy as a young girl just because they are wearing a shirt. Blew my mind that that was even remotely okay
@amandadaum1725
9 ай бұрын
THE UNDERWEAR!!!!! lmao i didn't even realize this was even a thing until my childhood best friend (LDS) got married and me a non LDS parson was like you have to let me take you lingerie shopping for your honeymoon and man oh man .... i have my own issues with Victoria's secret nowadays but when i took her in there it was basically the store in its entirety was a giant sin and then the underwear and garments got explained to me. lol
@amandadaum1725
9 ай бұрын
Just another side note we were always super close to our childhood neighbors we grew up together and lived by each other for almost 18 years they are family and always have been as far as we are concerned, but when you say these young girls have to confess to their bishops who can be their dentist or whatnot yeah I could not imagine because if I had been LDS my bishop would have been that neighbor. Confessing all my dirty business to my best friends dad …. No thanks I’ll stay over here we have coffee 😂🤪
@8lovetolaugh
9 ай бұрын
Amazing job!!❤🎉
@juanitonegro4988
9 ай бұрын
Great episode. Thanks for sharing,
@nsasupporter7557
9 ай бұрын
I’m an Exmormon who was also victimized by that cult. And I’m still waiting to be interviewed on here
@lillianoldham5789
9 ай бұрын
Reminds me of an incident of a former friend. She fell in love to a return missionary. They had been friends for a long time. He came over to her apartment, while ill. She told him to lie down on her bed. Well to make a long story short. They had sex, and she became pregnant. She than had to tell the guy involved. When she did he said "We committed fornication?!?!?!?!?!". He had no recollection, no memory nothing! Total denial. Separately, they both went to the Bishop, Stake Court, etc. When asked if he would marry her, the reply was, "No I do not feel she is worthy". She was excommunicated, he was disfellowshipped. They both remained separate of each other and continued in the Church. His family was absolutely mean to her. His Mother said "I will not acknowledge the child as a grandchild, unless they are married to each other." Her family were none members and very supportive, plus her friends. The child was born, the father was financially responsible and formed a relationship with his child. My friend and I have parted ways, for various reasons. So I do not know the current situation. I feel the Church was totally disrespectful to her and made every thing her fault, not his equal fault. I left the church because of the male abuse the church advocates. I got tired of it, and said NO MORE and left.
@raigenhuss7030
9 ай бұрын
Was he able to even consent to the sex? If he was ill, I wonder how lucid he was. If he felt like she had taken advantage of him, I can imagine he wouldn’t want to marry her.
@CultstoConsciousness
9 ай бұрын
Woah! That’s is awful!!
@soude85
9 ай бұрын
@@raigenhuss7030 How did he manage to visit an old friend in the first place and what kind of “illness” made him forget his first sexual encounter?! Come on…
@raigenhuss7030
9 ай бұрын
@@soude85 I hope you’ve never been assaulted, coerced or otherwise made to feel like the control has been taken away from you. You’d be surprised what the mind can forget to protect itself
@soude85
8 ай бұрын
@@raigenhuss7030 You really believe that the guy was assaulted? I think he lied because he didn’t want to face the consequences.
@dianeporrier9218
9 ай бұрын
Love yal two. thanks for finishing your story Chris.
@ashestoashesc6571
9 ай бұрын
Chris is one of my favorite guest.
@Dawn-fy7be
4 ай бұрын
This is why I love Grace. Jesus shows us Grace, but we keep twisting it to make it about our actions. Christians get this wrong too, but Grace means it’s not about our actions.
@16CENTS561
9 ай бұрын
41:05 i tell people all the time dont pray for me, im good, pray for yourself ❤
@corinneblair8795
9 ай бұрын
Mormonism is sooo wicked and needs to end!!
@sandybowers5085
9 ай бұрын
If someone tells me that wearing a tank top is going to make me go to hell they can go to hell that is just so ridiculous and I have lived it and I have sworn it out of my lifestyle that is not God talking that is people talking and thinking that they are God !
@helgardhossain9038
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely ... I am so shocked by me reading yesterday's comments on Mormonism ... "I am a YW and I am modest - this is the way to go to heaven ... we live modest lifes - that way we'll go to heaven ... " Well, how about LIVING A DECENT LIFE first of all and unfolding one's skills and searching for happiness and doing good onto others ... ?!
@greendragon4058
9 ай бұрын
Kris!!!! Yea❤ I'm glad you're back I just love your smile after everything you've been through you have the best smile. You did bring up an interesting point my sister is in a c u l t when her husband passed away they kicked her out she was in that cult for 50 years but herb whole brain is stunted from the time she went in which was 15 so therefore she didn't have anything and she could not do anything for herself make money for the cold and when my mom passed away she took almost everything and of course that went to the cult. I am so thankful but she never had kids the way they treated kids was awful. Now at the age of 60 she is in an old people's home or whatever because she cannot take care of herself and that makes me sad she doesn't know what a phone is she doesn't know a lot of the new technology that is out and sometimes I wish that she is still remained in the cult because she's still so young not to be thrown out just because she can't work. It's a very difficult thing when they get older and I agree with you they need to be shown compassion. We did try to get her out in the beginning but we gave up because it wasn't something she wanted to do and I don't know where she is now I have no idea but the cult that she is in was in was called the way International Oscar is the best❤❤❤❤❤
@matthewmccormick2417
9 ай бұрын
My Wife was molested by her step dad. She told her mom but nothing was done. She didnt tell me till both where dead and 20 years into our marriage when she got real sick with a rare blood disorder that 5 years latter took her life
@Mavuika_Gyaru
4 ай бұрын
HOLY. may she rest in peace, I'm sorry for your loss
@KC-or1ic
9 ай бұрын
I'm so glad people can talk about this in discussions like this. I left about 40 years ago and never really had space to listen Andrew discuss like this.
@matthewmccormick2417
9 ай бұрын
i hit Subscribe because i want to hear more from Kristin Amanda and more of the strong Ladies who have beat the odds
@EllisG893
9 ай бұрын
Just an observation, because most of these 'spiritual leaders' are not held accountable unfortunately SA and other forms of abuse will continue. They have the highest authority and if some of them are implicated in these crimes who will report them?! Also, because they also blame and shame the victims there is no provision made where the perpetrators are arrested and charged. I applaud every victim who speaks out they are breaking the cycle of toxicity secrecy and abuse
@Famr4evr
9 ай бұрын
They found out that he had been doing this to several women. They got the information together for these women and were able to press charges. This was a my bishop, his stake president, helping to make sure that guy never did anything like that again.
@shervinmarsh2456
9 ай бұрын
When I was in 7th grade, I was in parochial scchool, and English was in a different room, with a different teacher, and I was handed another student's textbook. Being a normal 7th grade, I drew about 20 hands with a middle finger raised inside the front cover. When the other student found it, they knew it was me. And the teacher, a lady, scolded me in the hall, and asked me, "Do you masturbate?" It really felt super awkward telling a female teacher that, indeed, I did masturbate.
@saschamayer4050
9 ай бұрын
Ew. That teacher was nuts AND a pervert. Asking a child whether they masturbate? What a perverse question. EW! 🤪
@HeidiSue60
9 ай бұрын
Wait. Right before the 49:00 mark you talk about the bishop’s supposed ability to know how everyone in the ward is doing spiritually/sin-wise/worthy-wise…suddenly the memory of a sermon from one of my fundamentalist evangelical pastors popped up. He told us from the pulpit that he knew our walk with the Lord. I pshawed that but now I’m wondering if there’s a bible verse about the “shepherd of the flock” somehow hearing from God about his people and their righteousness. Ew now I’m all creeped out.
@nsasupporter7557
9 ай бұрын
I was born and raised LDS also. What do I need to do to share my story on here?
@tammiekelly1906
2 ай бұрын
I often wondered what would happen if I told the bishop that my foster brother was molesting me. I knew I was unworthy to go to the temple or hold a position in the church. My foster mom, a woman held in very high esteem in the church, would have definitely gotten rid of me. After all, I was only a foster child, and he was her precious adopted son.
@socaldeb
13 күн бұрын
54:07 Well, in reality, to me, my response about handling her mother's thoughts and feelings would be like trying to work with someone who is clinically insane. I agree that if her mother is at an advanced age, let her live it out with whatever is in her head if it brings her peace until her last day.
@Beginnerreadsthebible
9 ай бұрын
You should always ask for the prayers from others ❤
@socaldeb
13 күн бұрын
46:34 So true, lol! For me, when speaking to absolutely anyone, if a sentence begins with baseless words like "god said," I stop them, with furrowed brow and blank stare. Where do you go from there? There's nowhere to go. Start again from a place of reality, or we can no longer continue this conversation. This world is sadly full of [barely] functionally delusional and insane. (sigh 🙄)
@katesewardchambers6707
9 ай бұрын
I know you’ve mentioned a few things briefly before but if you plan on doing another lighter episode anytime I’d love to know more general information on the Mormon church, why they wear garments? Why they don’t like to be called Mormon anymore etc Also what ‘sins’ are eight year olds confessing?
@stacey5440
9 ай бұрын
Argh, the amount of divination and channeling that happens in church settings that are SO against those modes is kind of hilarious.
@annakonneker
2 ай бұрын
43:34 bishops are chosen by the Stake President. He sends his recommendation to the First Presidency, who then, together with the 12, give the okay for the Stake President to extend the call.
@annakonneker
2 ай бұрын
Bishops serve around 5 years
@StarringAnya
9 ай бұрын
I know I watch a lot of cults to consciousness, when I fill in "power of discernment" for Shelise. 🙃
@CultstoConsciousness
9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 I need you on hand!
@LeahCary78
9 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@OrthodoxChristianBeliever
2 ай бұрын
That's terrible for your roommate to say that to you. You needed somebody to listen, not shame you!!
@Sarah-sc9ev
9 ай бұрын
I think it’s actually the stake presidency, who decides on who should be the next bishop. And then they present the name to the general authority leaders. I have also heard, and I don’t know if this is true, that bishops are often selected based on whether they are full tithing payers
@CultstoConsciousness
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! Yes my mom told me after it’s a stake presidency thing.
@kristjanahillberg5319
9 ай бұрын
Either way 😅 no matter who decides...it feels very boys club; who's best here - type of call. Full tithing payers...oh Lordy. Thanks for sharing Sarah ❤
@Brezzy369
9 ай бұрын
🥰🥰🥰
@kerryallen4665
9 ай бұрын
Such admiration for you both! Wish I could be friends with you in real life :)
@aBrewster29
9 ай бұрын
General truth claims aside, the doctrinal basis for confession to a bishop is incredibly dubious. Most shame is a learned behavior. With the gift of discernment as a broad, reliable law being demonstrably false, and with top leadership showing a clear inability to distinguish between cultural conservatism and divine law (e.g., double ear piercings), kids are absolutely in the right to claim their own moral authority and work through things on their own, EVEN within the active LDS paradigm. One may find value and even inspirational guidance in sorting out difficult situations with a “safe” bishop, but the practice of taking away the sacrament for a year and that sort of thing is just so rife with human error. Those following those plans with righteous intent are just as likely not to feel absolved and may even become bitter, because it’s not rooted in truth.
@annnejemimaaa
9 ай бұрын
I know I cuss a lot but damn haven’t heard someone say fuck so much ona C to C video 😂
@bodytrainer1crane730
9 ай бұрын
Oscar!
@stringsandthings511
9 ай бұрын
Interacts with the algorithm
@marlenabryant5547
9 ай бұрын
Tattling on yourself and others...seams just wrong, especially when what you did or witnessed wasn't actually wrong in the wider world, like dating or kissing, or just holding hands.
@wakebreaker
9 ай бұрын
Hum your Favorite Hymn = Thought Control.
@lost_in_a_crowd_of_3257
9 ай бұрын
I don't know if this is true for everybody. But it seems that the more legalistic and strict interpretation of scripture the easier it is to just leave. Is this your sense of things also?
@danbushnell6616
9 ай бұрын
Sounds like the stepford wives
@TJoy411
9 ай бұрын
Where can we find the guests new podcast?
@Rain_Reign
9 ай бұрын
Check out the description of this video, there’s a link 😉
@Famr4evr
9 ай бұрын
I feel sad for you both. It sounds like your community was the worst. I have been in the best wards and blessed with amazing friends and ward members. It seems like a lot of what you went through is outside the normal way the church is run. In my experience the bishop got the information of the perpetrator and found his stake president. They found out that he had been doing this to several women. They helped everyone to press charges and made sure that he didn’t do this again. That was 20+ years ago.
@wakebreaker
9 ай бұрын
Sin = Snake Oil Salesperson pitch. Atonement = Snake Oil If it looks like a duck
@Kenbo53
9 ай бұрын
Kris you're very beautiful 🤩
@OrthodoxChristianBeliever
2 ай бұрын
Mormon Missionaries: "Excuse us, do you have a moment to talk with us about Jesus?" Eastern Orthodox Christians: "Sure, What Would you Like To Know, would you like to start with how polygamy is completely foreign to The Scriptures, The Writings Of The Church Fathers, And The Tradition Of The Church? Christ never taught it, Saint Peter And Saint Paul never taught it, Saint Paul Wrote An Episcopos Must Be the husband of one wife, not thirty. Saint John Chrysostom Wrote About How husbands should treat their wives in a very loving manner, so, sorry, multiple wives, treating them like dirt, not a tradition in The Ancient Church, you have a different jesus and a different gospel. Oh, and SA, What Did Jesus Say About little children? Matthew 18:6. Also, Go Back And Read The Story In Genesis, Joseph's Brothers Did The Right Thing when Shechem hurt their sister!! Maybe instead of reading the book of mormon, we read The Didache. The Didache reads, 'Thou shalt not corrupt youth.' all these crazy Protestants, who cherry pick what they want from The Bibe don't like The Didache. Would you like to read it instead of the book of mormon?"
@matthewmccormick2417
9 ай бұрын
Only way to heaven is to believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins. Drinking coffee or soda is not a sin. As for baptisum only should be done to those who understand the meaning and why. Only God can forgive your sins not a preacher or bishop. dont go to a church that has a name like morman catholic luthern annd so on. find a small hole in the wall nondenominattional church
@OrthodoxChristianBeliever
2 ай бұрын
oh my word, this, patriarch channeling God? That's as bad as the charismatic movement!!
@michaelparks5669
3 ай бұрын
SO YOU WOMEN INTEND TO SHAME THE VICTIM OVER AND OVER? WHY? AS A THERAPIST I CAN TELL YOU SILENCE IS AT LEAST BETTER THAN HAMING THE VICTIM....
@MarleneKerr-p6x
9 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as Mormonism I've been in the church 60 yrs and I don't know what you mean by silence is safe in Mormonism I have never been silent in the church we are one big happy family come along and learn the truth
@kristjanahillberg5319
9 ай бұрын
😅
@MarleneKerr-p6x
9 ай бұрын
Your talking rubbish
@gregdiamond6023
9 ай бұрын
How exact does the LDS church handle SA? The person(woman)confesses and is punished?! What a misogynistic policy. What happens to the man? How is CSA dealt with? I hope better than the JWs do. Chris is so strong to speak out. What happened to her is the product of a f**ked up policy. Good on you Chris for sharing you story to help others. It would be so easy to sit back and assuming others will handle the situation. Go get em!😊
@Famr4evr
9 ай бұрын
In my experience the bishop got the information of the perpetrator and found his stake president. They found out that he had been doing this to several women. They got the information together for these women and were able to press charges. This was a my bishop, his stake president, helping to make sure that guy never did anything like that again.
@LauraOttawa
9 ай бұрын
It was heartwarming to hear the message from her friend ❤
@IsolatedTrapped
24 күн бұрын
I’m really curious why Jesus Christ and His forgiveness of sins isn’t mentioned.
@blosslindsay5647
9 ай бұрын
It's good hearing your story and it's really eye-opening the things that happen in this culture. This is truly cultism. It would be good if the expletives were not used.
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