They always say "methods change, message the same", but inevitably the priority will be placed on the people's wishes, desires and above all their attendance. Emergent, Progressive Christianity should really and rightly be called Compromised Christianity.
@michellegoad1052
Жыл бұрын
Lukewarm- Jesus will spit them out
@WholeBibleWithGeorgeCrabb
Жыл бұрын
Great video! I am from Santa Cruz and now live near Seattle. We really do need to get back into the word of God.
@jeankolbo3602
Жыл бұрын
What happened in Santa Cruz?
@WholeBibleWithGeorgeCrabb
Жыл бұрын
@@jeankolbo3602 I grew up there and just wanted to mention it because the guest speaker mentioned Seattle and Santa Cruz. I thought it was ironic...maybe it's not. I am very familiar with the emergent church and the evik of progressive churches. I did an episide in it and talked about some progressive churches in Santa Cruz. SC is where a lot of this stuff originates.
@AnnaSquires
Жыл бұрын
How can you separate the word from Jesus? Jesus is the word. I can't even wrap my head around that one!
@SachelleCambria
7 ай бұрын
It really doesn’t make any sense.
@debspinelli1043
Жыл бұрын
Hello to Dan from his friends at Valley Bible in Jersey :). Thanks to you both... an excellent, helpful discussion, and so important!
@dan.kimball
Жыл бұрын
Hello Deb!! Always love being at Valley Bible and so very thankful for your ministry there!
@tanks1945
Жыл бұрын
Very good discussion. But I wished names would have been mentioned.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
Can someone please tell Alisha about Dan dangerous theology? Has he talked about it? Someone need to tell Dan too!
@karigross4596
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 specifically what?
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@karigross4596 on Dan i would not list here pls get Alisha to tell me how i can send it to her. Its too long to list it here, even people here are asking too who are the people he is talking about? I just been called satan by sounding the warmng cause its very alarming! Like his stance on homosexuality and that he wish it was not a sin. When he talking about cause he said he has many friends who are homosexual And how about his catholic practices he likes? But that not the most damning of it all there more and Alisha need to know. I listen to the talk and its all very vagued.
@inchristalone25
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 It sounds like Dan is still coming out of the mess, we need to pray for him to see the truth.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@inchristalone25 THank you yes we do but we also need to know if he has or not? The interview does not tell you anything i have listen to it, people asking what are the names? We dont know he is not saying a thing, no video on his leaving. So i keep asking how to contact Alisha? How to share with her the information i got? It would have been nice if she did actually ask him about these terrible things. I posted that there was this blasphmous statement i can give evidence too. Its very bad bad bad. I also want Dan to know just as much and his response?
@Ark-Angel44
Жыл бұрын
If you read Jesus' words, he affirms Daniel, the Prophets and "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life." And then there's John: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. - John 1:1-2,14
@thesimplyagapeproject6342
Жыл бұрын
PS I do not hate Dan or anyone just throwing up some caution. Dan and Alisia are discussing the very fruit of the Emergent Church. No let's not be a Calvinist and burn Dan over green wood but just approach everyone writing and comments. (Even mine) compare it to scripture and if it's not scriptural reject it. Leonard Sweet is a big concern as well.
@pattytoscano9569
Жыл бұрын
The gospel of Calvinism is very different than the gospel of whosoever believes. I think it is worth debating and exposing because if Calvinism is not true than it defames the love of God.
@stephaniep1390
Жыл бұрын
He had a lot of excellent points, but I disagree with him on some of his thoughts especially about end times. It is a greater deal than he says it is. Replacement theology is heretical
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849
Жыл бұрын
1corinthians ch.2:6ESV"Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. " Both "Christian" right and the "Christian" left are proceeding on the false premise that there is a political dimension to the gospel. There isn't ,the present civilisation and its elites are doomed by divine decree any attempt to save them is a fool's errand.
@Christianchoose
Жыл бұрын
Mormon is a nickname for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! So why leave Mormonism for Christianity Is Jesus Christ's Church called by his name? Is Christianity an alternate name for Christ? Christian name was given to the followers of Christ by who? Do the research to find out who gave the followers of Christ the nickname Christians! Mormon is a nickname for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? So who's Church, is it Chirstians or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Do they follow Ephesians 2: 19-20 Come Unto Christ!
@michaelschaber1948
Жыл бұрын
The funny thing when I became a true follower of Jesus. I thought hallelujah about time, life will be easy now. Haha it was a trick on my mind, never has it been harder. Homeless lost everything… but my faith is stronger than ever. When you can focus on our saviour things change for the better. Bless you all love Michi
@caryssonford
Жыл бұрын
Hey Michi. I just wanna bless you in the name of Jesus. He never said things would be easy but that He would always be with us through every trial and circumstance. I pray for peace and comfort in the times that are difficult. I pray that your faith would not fail despite everything. God will honour those who honour Him. Be blessed today friend. 🙏
@jameshannaht
Жыл бұрын
Such an important conversation. I really appreciate Dan Kimball. Our small group went through his "How NOT to Read the Bible" small group video study - absolute gold and would highly recommend it 👌👌👌
@Renwa82
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I always felt like the Emergent Church thing was just weird. I had a check in my Spirit about it so after researching it a bit I moved on and forgot about it
@moomin8251
Жыл бұрын
About 40 years ago when I had been a Christian for a few months, someone took me to a big "faith teacher" meeting. I just KNEW something was wrong, I couldn't have told you why at the time but I went away and studied and soon the Lord showed me the truth from His word. So I ask, why do all these young ministers not have the conviction of the Holy Spirit? Maybe they have quenched Him so often He stopped warning them?
@LouisaWatt
Ай бұрын
That would probably be the case for some, but others probably have never received the Spirit.
@caroledempsey5052
Жыл бұрын
We can’t know God apart from His word.
@enghongong
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the talk. The next thing the church will be facing is AI theology. Which is something very powerful and disruptive.
@GabrielMartinez-su8di
Жыл бұрын
This is such an interesting conversation, especially in light of recent positions people such as Andy Stanley have taken.
@conceptualclarity
Жыл бұрын
Andy showed himself as a heretic 11 years ago I don't know why he's gotten away with it for so long
@baronreed8131
Жыл бұрын
Very good discussion! I am amazed at the various flavors of false gospels that have surfaced over the past 25 years. The significance of the finished work of Jesus Christ and who He TRULY is can not be overstated. Thank you Alisa
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
Can anyone pls tell Alisha about Dan Kimbal dangerous theology? Has he spoken about it? blasphemous statement on Christ? Why no one care??? When this all about not being deceived?
@KM-zn3lx
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 what dangerous theology? Pls explain.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@KM-zn3lx Thank you do you have some where i can email? As i posted here so people can inform Alisha cause this is channel is about keeping false teacher out how ever information they might be, Things on homosexualty, new age, bad mouthing Christ on what he done, these things he has not renounce. Things he is silent on. Its like TIm Keller hidden is a catholic deep agenda. He also love catholic practices and recommended it heartily to his followers and all those who listen to him. I am deeply concern and i feel posting here no one believes. :( No one telling Alisha i am not getting any response. What is wrong? How can this person be supported if he support the devil right hand? This is the heretic teacher he has stand with in the past cause he was emergent. And coming out does nothing to show he safe or not?
@baronreed8131
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 Why don't you tell us what you are talking about instead of simply slandering. We are waiting!
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@baronreed8131 And you should not call Christ satan. Are you going to call Alisha Satan too? Waiting for an Apology! If i was slandering why would i ask to warn Alisha? WHy would i asked someone tell Dan? Seem your not a Christian at all and want to slander Christ.
@peterwilliams6361
Жыл бұрын
Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasnt going to let my marriage of 18years crash
@peterwilliams6361
Жыл бұрын
@Dailami Puang well not the orthodox way but i was referred by a friend to a spiritual adviser and healer
@peterwilliams6361
Жыл бұрын
@Dailami Puang her name is SHELLY RENEE WHITE,and she is a great spiritual adviser as well as caster
@peterwilliams6361
Жыл бұрын
you can look her name up online and you will find all you need.
@danacamp5437
Жыл бұрын
"Divorce is never the way out." It is if there's abuse.
@littleboots9800
Жыл бұрын
@Dailami Puang NO! This woman is a pagan. She calls herself a Haitian Voodoo Priestess and performs witchcraft. She posts fake testimonials from ppl like @Gary Lewis as an advert for her services. In fact she often has conversations between several accounts, (all of which are hers,) where others supposedly have used her "services" to great effect. In fact, you may even be one of those accounts but just in case you are aren't I decided to post this anyway. In case anyone reads this I want them to know. Why would a user of voodoo practices be on a Christian channel? To draw ppl away and corrupt them, that's why. Beware folks, Satan and his slaves are among us.
@michaelclark6223
Жыл бұрын
I tried to fight Emergent theology at my former church during the mid-2000s. Had to leave.
@SachelleCambria
7 ай бұрын
Smart move.
@Courage10.18
Жыл бұрын
I have no words to explain the massive importance of what has been described here. I didn’t realize the hijacking of words/language was in churches before the prevalence of what is seen in LGBTQ arenas today (sex & gender are actually synonyms and doctors cannot assign sex at birth) Thank you both so very much
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
A well know discerment ministry has called out Dan and his theology. Someone please tell Alisha or dan?
@KJ-lb4tj
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 which well known discernment ministry? If you are unwilling to name the ministry no one knows if this is a legitimate ministry. Discernment needs facts not gossip. And what theology has it called out. Please speak for yourself and the knowledge that you personally have, not for someone else or what potentially they may or may not know without giving any information. Such a waste of time to comment.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@KJ-lb4tj Correct but its gossip posting here that is why i asked how can Alisa know. The information is extension and i dont know if Alisa can read it or not? But go read his books he stand with Brian Mclaren write books with him. If that is not red flag i dont know what is? He is even with Rick warren and others here have asked that he tell the people he speak about but nothing in the talk.
@GigiRocks1969
Жыл бұрын
QUESTION: Wouldn't it be important to name the names of the false teachers to warn people, like myself, who came out of a cult and is looking for a safe place to land? They did it in the Bible , right?🤷🏻♀️ It took me years of confusion and study to find that safe place too land and I guess it's only my opinion, but I think it would be wonderful to help others in that way. Anyhow; thank you so much for everything you do; I truly appreciate it. 🙏🏻
@conceptualclarity
Жыл бұрын
There is a lot about them elsewhere. Brian Maclaren and Rob Bell are the biggest ones.
@ritapacheco8084
Жыл бұрын
I just read a book written by Rob Bell. Red flags were going up throughout but the friend who loaned it to me was adamant that “I would love it”… he grew up in a pretty strict fundamentalist church and he claims that this author changed his life and now he’s “free”… I truly do not know how to respond to him about the author’s belief that those people of other faiths will all be “saved” because (not his words) they all have a version of Jesus whether they use His name or not. This friend is a recovering alcoholic and I’m super afraid to rock his boat. He got a bit aggressive with his beliefs when I tried to discuss it with him (finger pointing etc not physically of course) I think I’m the book I read “Love Wins” the author does try to give grace to the non Christian community and is very accusing of the Christian community. He raises some good questions, “what about people who weren’t reached for the gospel” Would God have created these image bearers only to throw them into the lake of fire (not his exact words).. it certainly gives me a heart for these people and my hope is that these people ARE somehow given a pass but I cannot get behind his statements. For all his talk about not needing “works” to be included in Gods love, he sure works hard to skew His words. I’m praying that with time (in the ACTUAL Word- not another guys thoughts)my friend will see the inconsistencies himself.
@wordsofjames
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@kellyofthewoods
Жыл бұрын
@@ritapacheco8084 Rob Bell is not a Christian, he is the spirit of the antichrist. He affirms gay marriage in the church, He does not believe in Yahweh the God of the Bible, he does not believe the Bible is inspired by God, and he does not believe that Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross and was resurrected. These things are not obvious in Love Wins, but that book was the catalyst for the revealing of how far he was already beginning to stray. In his most recent book he discusses where he stands today and makes his views quite clear. Here is an excerpt from his book, What is the Bible?: He says this about the origin of the thoughts in the Bible, "Someone wrote that. That’s how someone understood that event. Don’t drag God into it. The Bible is a library of books reflecting how human beings have understood the divine. People at that time believed the gods were with them when they went to war and killed everyone in the village. What you’re reading is someone’s perspective that reflects the time and the place they lived in. It’s not Gods perspective- it’s theirs. And when they say it’s God’s perspective, what they’re telling you is their perspective on God’s perspective. Don’t confuse the two." Where you find "red flags" and confusion, you find Satan and deception. It's my opinion that reading books by false teachers such as Bell only serves to give the devil a foothold and we need to go to the Bible for clarification on all topics, not our own thoughts (or someone else). Having said that, there is a book titled "Farewell, Rob Bell, A Biblical Response to Love Wins" which might help you with handling your conversations with your friend, although it sounds like great amounts of grace and prayer for your friend are most likely the only tools that will work right now. God bless! 2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."
@autryhatfield2942
Жыл бұрын
Brian Mclaren, Rob Bell, Doug Pagitt, Robert Schuller, Eugene Peterson, Rick Warren, Wayne Dyer, Don Miller, Leonard Sweet, Eckhart Tolle, Marianne Williamson, Tony Campolo, Tony Jones, Erwin McManus, Alice Bailey, Peter Drucker, and many more
@leonidasj406
Жыл бұрын
Yep, liberals will always call you a “fundamentalist” with an emphasis on the annunciation of “FUNDaMENTAList” especially on faith related programs on NPR to emphasize the stigmatism that goes with that term when you try to speak truthful, accurate Biblical teaching to them. Everything to them is open to interpretation and pick-and-choose a la carte spirituality. Same tangent why many of them become Buddhist- basically having feel-good spirituality on their terms and not God’s. Having grown up in a watered down, compromised and false teaching church, I have grown to detest it whenever I hear it. After having been mocked, sneered and condescended to by people who are deluded by such teaching, all you can do is get out and away from those churches, they will not listen because it is a point of pride to be right in their own eyes, not what is true in the Bible and God’s word. We as a society have moved to this off-course place, not God, and we must readjust back to Him, not Him to us.
@Sooner-im9qf
Жыл бұрын
I stopped listening to NPR years ago! Pretty much every story they do is heavily biased and slanted BS.
@autryhatfield2942
Жыл бұрын
the big mistake has always been concentrating on the era or the generation rather than the unchanging Gospel. The emergent movement used terms like "reimagining" which is an NWO term. The movement was NEVER about the gospel, but about deceiving gullible people. We will NEVER reach the lost by trying to find ways to draw them to God. Just preach the Gospel without compromise. Some will respond and others will not. Some will attack you, but Jesus told us this.
@jeremywillis4246
Жыл бұрын
Thank you both for sharing this conversation. I have not heard Emergent Church in years. I remember the discussion what is it, a style or theology. The church I attended at the time launched a Sunday afternoon Emergent service. The lights where dim and music soft just as Dan mentioned. I found the points of the message the same points preached Sunday morning. So I thought I’ll keep attending the early service. Later I became aware of Emergent theology is something very different than what I know of The Gospel. I see how from this movement even more different and strange doctrines came about. Thanks for helping me connect the dots. Take care and God bless.
@briannehill7583
Жыл бұрын
Hindsight is always 20/20. For me hearing him talk about language being redefined and realizing that his peers were defining things very different from him and from scripture was very jarring. I am a gen x'er , the very target of this movement. I was raised unchurched in a very chaotic environment. I came to Christ in 2000 and the church I started attending and attended for 12 years until I left the state was at the forefront of all of this. But because I had no basis to define these things I didn't have any idea , at least at first, that something was wrong. God began a work in me and I did start to question things. I became very unsettled in my environment. And really uneasy with the church I was now fully immersed in and working for. The politics, the teaching, the lack of teaching. I was wrestling with all of it. Now I look back and I see what was happening. I can connect dots between who mentored my pastor and who he lent ear to and the direction the church was going. By the grace of God I got out. But the hurt is still present. I'm so grateful for the church I am a part of now. I have an amazing pastor who faithfully exposits the word every Sunday. And he is a very connected part of the church. None of this celebrity pastor stuff. But it was a painful road. 20 years to be on the dot. And I always grieve over the impressions on my children's hearts over that course of time. The things I have to pray are undone.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
Can someone please tell Alisha about Dan dangerous theology? Has he talked about it? Someone need to tell Dan too!
@briannehill7583
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 you've mentioned this several times in this thread. I dont call out people I haven't taken the time to listen to. Outside of this podcast episode I dont know much about Dan Kimball. If you take issue with him and his theology then you should make a plea. Dont request others to do that. If I did it would he bearing false witness on my part since I know next to nothing about him or his theology.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@briannehill7583 I say again if you want the evidence then tell me your email and i will send it so you know? And you be shocked. I also been posting it so someone can tell Alisha. As I would do this if you posted a comment and warning about a speaker. If you dont do this then you become a hyporcrite cause why are we listening to these things if we dont act? And its not about the interview but his teaching. So yes I do know very well what he teaches and what he use to stand on. And he has not talk about this at all in the interview.
@briannehill7583
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 my statement wasn't asking you to confirm it for me. I'm asking why you aren't taking the steps to expose it yourself if this is the case. You don't need my email. Which by the way I very rarely give out and certainly not to someone I dont know at all. I rarely give it even when businesses ask for it. But I'm not sure why you don't post what you know instead of skirting around it? This isn't an accusation against you. I'm in fact not being a hypocrite since that's not the definition of one. I'm suggesting you yourself post the knowledge you claim to have instead of pleading for others to do it. Better yet why don't you create your own KZitem video with the accusations you make and the supporting evidence to those claims? Then people could watch, listen and decide if they want to research your claims. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, because again I don't know him. But I also wasn't interested in pursuing more on him. I have plenty of people I trust my time, ear and attention to and he wasn't one of them. If you are serious about your concerns make your case with your channel.
@emillyyelen5169
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 You sound very detached...
@christopheradamo3358
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this insightful discussion. I was particularly impressed with your exposition on "UNITY" and the possible associated pitfalls. In truth there are 2 places at which a Church can be in unity. First, there is the unity in Spirit and Truth, based on God's Word. But the other "unity" is when the whole loaf is leavened. That is the inevitable result when Truth is sacrificed for the sake of worldly "unity."
@irishartn
Жыл бұрын
I went to Youth Specialities Conference in Nasheville in 2002 at the end of my formal Bible education and was introduced to the Emerging Church. The Emergent Church published by Emergent YS was like a handbook to me. It's taken 20 years to pick out the "pebbles in my shoe," but God is bringing me out of the wilderness of Progressive Christianity. Really grateful to see Dan Kimbell here sharing Truth.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
But Does Dan Kimball still hold to the shocking theology and blasphemous statement? DId you know he join with other new age teacher? Has he talked about this? Does Alisha know?
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
Can anyone pls tell Alisha about Dan Kimbal dangerous theology? Has he spoken about it? blasphemous statement on Christ? Why no one care??? When this all about not being deceived? He is into Catholism practices too and support teacher that teaches it.
@baronreed8131
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 Hello Satan 👋
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@baronreed8131 Baron troll.
@SmileMakerABQ
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 please be specific. To which blasphemous statement are you referring? What Catholic beliefs is Dan clinging to and who is he supporting that is heretical? You made general statements but for discernment and testing we will need a second witness and very specific details about your accusations.
@karricompton
Жыл бұрын
I recently left a church that isn’t necessarily progressive, but they don’t stand for a whole lot and they cave to culture by being woke. It hurt my heart. It’s hard to find bible believing/teaching churches who aren’t too fundamentalist.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
Can someone warn Alisha about Dan dangerous theology no one seem to care?
@BobbiMac08
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 what theology are you talking about that is dangerous? If he said something or believes something that's dangerous, you should tell us.
@Holly4555
Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened here
@AEChronicler
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 What is this dangerous theology? Also her name is Alisa.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@AEChronicler No one wants to know but A ministry has called Dan and he has not mention any of the heretical leader he use to stand with. His book on emergent still on sale. So what is going on>
@harmshoney
Жыл бұрын
"how did they define fruit?" was such a fantastic question! the progressive/new age bible study i was a part of was so incredibly symbolic it could have meant spiritual gifts, growth, belief, or blessings in life. the double use of language is so tricky! i had a teacher for 6 years who taught that the resurrection of Jesus was both literal, & a physical example of what we're supposed to do inside ourselves, & if we didn't, we would be reincarnated to try again or remain in the "lower levels of Heaven". those teachings nearly destroyed me.. thank you for all you do here!! 💚
@Sooner-im9qf
Жыл бұрын
Wow. That's wacky stuff. Sounds like you are out of that. Good.
@janetsmith9380
Жыл бұрын
John 1:1. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
@jerryfischer3988
Жыл бұрын
I have pushed theological teaching to be in 4th and 5th grade for over a decade. I get eye rolls and push back. Yet when given a chance to learn and explore Biblical truths, students love it.
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
Can anyone pls tell Alisha about Dan Kimbal dangerous theology? Has he spoken about it? blasphemous statement on Christ? Why no one care??? When this all about not being deceived? He is into Catholism practices too and support teacher that teaches it.
@baronreed8131
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 Hello Satan 👋
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@baronreed8131 Do not call Christ Satan.
@BobbiMac08
Жыл бұрын
@Sorrow in Christ are you Christ??😂
@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED
Жыл бұрын
Sorrow, in Revelation Jesus sees His true followers amidst even those, who were were far from following His commands and precepts. It's not for us to judge which church is or is not saved. God bless
@hermama100
Жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion-gave me more understanding of what kids in my grandkids’ generation are hearing and thinking about the Bible
@taaron5595
Жыл бұрын
Great discussion. I disagree strongly that women being in pastoral or leadership positions in local churches is secondary. I feel when the Bible speaks clearly on something, that is primary doctrine. There is no debating that Scripture explicitly and implicitly states that women are not to be pastors or teachers over a church.
@stacyclark5910
11 ай бұрын
This is really timely because I just found out hours ago about his book, The Emerging Church. So glad to know he found his way out! Thank God for other believers who saw though this!🙏🏼 Thanks for bringing this to us Alisa! PS - Absolutely LOVE your voice!
@triciad5723
11 ай бұрын
Did I miss where Dan repented from the emergent unification with the Roman Church? Because that is also a different Jesus. I didn’t hear him mention that. Just wondering. You came out of the progressive church. I came out of the Roman Catholic Church. Different Jesus.
@kelliez9991
11 ай бұрын
Our daughter was invited to an Emergent Church in college but saw red flags the first Sunday. Talked to the Pastor, asked questions and realized it didn’t align with her beliefs.
@sjking1111
4 ай бұрын
Amazing that she went to the pastor! What discernment and confidence. You obviously raised her right, and she clearly is filled with the Holy Spirit.
@kelliez9991
4 ай бұрын
@@sjking1111 thank you. I am very grateful that my children have discernment.
@belive6707
Жыл бұрын
People's eternal lives are at stake. Jesus said, "Unless you repent, you shall all likewise perish." People need to know The Truth. We are to fear God. There needs to be a healthy fear of God taught and lived by believers and followers of Jesus. Jesus is the love of God to the world. A means, The Way to deliver us from the wrath of God and unto eternal life
@conceptualclarity
Жыл бұрын
It's not wacky that churches have serious controversies over women in ministry because it's not only a belief issue like eschatology or Calvinism; it's an obedience issue. Going against the Bible on this is not just error, it is sin. If you read the passages themselves they do not present as matters that should be regarded as trivial and shrugged off; they support the idea that departure from scriptural principle here should not be tolerated among Christians. Having said that, Kimball is right in this respect: charismatics and Pentecostals who take a permissive view about women in ministry overwhelmingly tend to have a very high view of scripture. However the same is not true of Baptists and Presbyterians who are permissive about women in ministry. They tend to place current progressive thought on a higher plane than scripture, and unlike permissive charismatics and Pentecostals, the permissive Baptists and Presbyterians overwhelmingly reject the Bible's teaching on submission of wives to husbands, which is a teaching as obvious as what Kimball cited about the Bible's teaching on gossip. Among non-Pentecostal evangelicals, permissiveness about women in ministry is an off-ramp from the authority of scripture and in the long term from the faith itself, as Wayne Grudem pointed out in his 2006 book Evangelical Feminism. Therefore the battle against drift in this area should be fought urgently. Christians should pray that the Southern Baptists this summer will not readmit to their convention Saddleback Church, which has become a woman pastor church and a gay-affirming church (see Robert Gagnon's Facebook April 11-16, 2023). It has occurred to me recently that the attempts to provide supposed biblical rationale for disregarding instructions for women in the local church including women serving as pastors have served as a template for the efforts to provide purported biblical justification for homosexual relationships. The same emphasis on ancient manners and customs rendering didactic NT passages understandable only to a small clique of seminary professors with very specialized knowledge. (Compare the Reformation doctrine of the perspicuity of scripture.) The same bogus assertions that Greek words in the New Testament have been horribly mistranslated for 2 millenia and in all of our current English versions. The same use of passages like Gal 3:28 setting forth broad principles to nullify very specific teachings of other passages. The same insistence upon using "lenses" for allegedly interpreting scripture. It is a good video, and congrats to Dan Kimball for being willing to course-correct. We see so little of that on the part of church leaders today.
@astrongmama
Жыл бұрын
It's strange to me that the people who left the "table" and pitched a new "tent" are the ones calling for unity. If you want unity, you should come back to the original place. If we aren't unified, it isn't because I moved.
@melissamartin8208
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the Red Letter Bible is a way to believe what you want to believe and disobey scripture. I agree with both of you.
@martykoepke418
Жыл бұрын
Believe it or not, I was one of Dan’s interns when he was a youth pastor at SCBC in 1993-1994. I am so happy to see that he has come through this journey with success! For a while, I was quite concerned. May the Lord keep His hand on Dan and his ministry!
@allisontaylor5448
Жыл бұрын
, ,.
@jmoss55ish
Жыл бұрын
Another thought…listening about how he started his “ministry”, I never heard anything about him STUDYING God’s Word to even KNOW what to teach. He’s a prime example as to why one should research the teaching of one to make sure their teaching lines up with the Word before accepting what they are saying.
@kathleenklink958
5 ай бұрын
I agree
@mellbelle81
Жыл бұрын
As long as the church continues to tolerate child sacrifice we will suffer delusions, lack of discernment and will continue to cover her sins
@allisonoconnor8055
Жыл бұрын
When I gave myself to GOD, accepting the Perfect Sacrifice, Jesus Christ 💖🙏. I truly hold on that God is and will always be: THE SAME Today, Tomorrow and forever ‼️🙏🥰🙏🇺🇸
@patp1585
Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to hear more about when mysticism and occult tools such as the enneagram enter the churches…and the response is “we will have to agree to disagree on the “non-essentials!”
@bergdaniel6998
Жыл бұрын
Psalm 1 says blessed is the man who censores all the dangerous sources of information and has learned who to listen to.
@netwt449
Жыл бұрын
GOD will always bring those of honest and humble heart out of darkness. There is a protection from worldly compromise which only GOD’s Holy spirit that only is from GOD and Jesus Anointed which envelopes those to be saved. In every generation there have been those who discern words of truth and cannot be snatched out of GODs hand. Be well!
@conceptualclarity
Жыл бұрын
Asking folks: is the Emergent Church indeed the source of this dadgum nonsense about "the lights have to be off during worship", which is horrible for sleep-deprived people? We need bright light to stay awake!
@nancymiesczak7573
Жыл бұрын
Paul tells Timothy to "teach sound do trine". Doctrine is sooo important.
@sjking1111
4 ай бұрын
Yes! And we must consider that at the time the new testament authors were writing these letters, the New Testament hadn't been written or compiled yet. So when it says that "all scripture is God breathed...", or that the Bereans checked the scripture to validate what Paul was teaching, the Only scripture they had at the time was the 'old' testament. So that means Paul and Jesus and the disciples were all in agreement with the old testament. 📖☺️
@DonandBirdieHarms
Жыл бұрын
I really think that the Bible is undermined in Genesis with our children more than any other passage. If God used millions or billions of years to create the world and used evolution, it waters down the gospel at the least and undermines it at worst. I came out of mormonism and coming to the understanding that the Bible is dependable and a literal understanding is the best unless it is obviously figurative is the foundation of my faith. Allegory makes interpretation up for grabs. The understanding of Genesis as the beginning of life and then death is the result of the fall of mankind and Adam and Eve's sin is foundational to the Christian faith and for me is a non negotiable. Otherwise, death came before Adam and Eve and that impacts the gospel. Children are being sold a bill of goods on the foundation of the authority of Scripture through the billions of years theology and God using evolution as a means of His creation. It undermines the rest of the Bible as God being the creator and the fall of mankind and our need for a Savior. If the word YOM for day is understood everywhere else in Scripture and how it is used in context, as The day of the Lord means a certain time, but when it is used with morning or evening or a number it always means a 24 hour day. Genesis is the only place where people are not in agreement on what the word actually means. When God said, there was evening and morning the first day etc. He was being specific so that we would not have any question that it is a 24 hour hour day. If we allegorize the creation story, then our foundation crumbles and we lose our children. Mormonism is founded upon Joseph Smith undermining the Bible. Anytime you can undermine the Bible, a cult or other antithetical things are opened up like a can of worms.
@jbuzzgirl
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I am dealing with! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
@gingermatha4743
Жыл бұрын
There is NOT a book of "secondary issues " it's all essential you can't let compromise come into church!
@matthewfunk6658
Жыл бұрын
I followed Dan a little back at the turn of the century and remember my concern for him and his running mates. Then lost touch with that group. Good to learn that he broke free and continues to fight the good fight. Stay strong brother!
@JM-fs8dm
Жыл бұрын
Alisa and Dan. This was a profound confirmation for me. Thank you and God bless you for this.🙏🙏🙏
@royruser5074
Жыл бұрын
this is like saying do you believe in God many say yes, but if you don’t ask what God? you must now ask what Jesus or as Jesus said who do you say I am?
@Prrrsnickety
Жыл бұрын
Hey Dan! Great interview! I was enlightened, and glad, to hear about your departure from the Emerging Church community. I didn't know that happened (I've moved out of santa cruz a little while ago). Love this channel, Alisa. Thank you for your work. ~Renee
@LauriSims
Жыл бұрын
Are we to remain friends (as Dan says at 40:50) given the teaching of 1 Corinthians 5:11? Progressives have created a god in their own image (idolatry) and profess to be brethren.
@Uni85h
Жыл бұрын
Our church dropped the Orange curriculum last year because our leaders saw that coming
@jeankolbo3602
Жыл бұрын
Please tell me what you mean… saw what coming?
@brigittemurphy879
Жыл бұрын
What is the orange curiculum?
@ab-gail
Жыл бұрын
Super Encouraging to know that people like Dan are out there! God bless!
@Contramundum429
Жыл бұрын
Decent guest. He’s wrong on not fighting on women in ministry and this weak dispensational theology that has gotten us to this point
@KD-gd5oq
8 ай бұрын
"Divisiveness" isn't always a bad thing. Think about Jesus: "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division." Wheat and chaff are to be separated.
@aaronadams8166
Жыл бұрын
Bought the Book How (Not) to read the Bible. I read some of it and I am pretty disappointed. It goes against a lot of what you teach. There are some very helpful sections. It is written well. However, it's a bit progressive in places. Alissa, please feel free to delete my comment if it sounds hateful or out of line
@BigAl53750
Жыл бұрын
The Pastor who said privately that he didn’t believe Adam and Eve were real people, yet preached on Sunday that he believed the story, was actually lying and therefore stands condemned by the words of scripture that say that all liars are headed for the Lake of Fire. This is a very serious business and these people need prayer.
@janetsmith9380
Жыл бұрын
Imagine Jesus in the shape of a bible or better yet in the shape of a scroll! The Bible is Jesus! He dwells inside of us and he is the word of god! The Bible is Jesus. To say the bible is outdated is to say Jesus is outdated. John 1:1. How many of you read Leviticus numbers and Deuteronomy, gods laws. Gods laws reveal his character of love and justice. David was a man after gods own heart and HE LOVED GODS LAW! Judges 2:10. Love gods law! ( not legalistically).
@jaymcdonald6804
Жыл бұрын
I met Tony Jones (leader in Emergent at one point) in 2005. I'd had some conversation with a guy I met at a conference, and he then talked to Tony about me, and had Tony invite me to a small meetup that Tony held regularly at a restaurant in Princeton (during Tony's time at Princeton Theological). Tony was cordial, and only had the word of this guy I'd just met to go on about me, so he kind of made some assumptions about where I was coming from. The night was filled with the carefully vague, high-sounding talk that was so common in those circles. At one point, Tony turned to a friend and laughingly said "Evangelicals always freak out when they realize you don't believe in absolute truth." That was when I knew for sure where these folks were coming from. The next day, I emailed Tony (we'd had a friendly multi-email exchange prior to the meeting), and asked him about it. He had been quite chatty and responsive previously, but I got no response to my new email. I waited a couple of days, and tried again. I never heard back.
@conceptualclarity
Жыл бұрын
It makes you wonder why somebody who doesn't believe in absolute truth would even bother to play the religion game. And I'm wondering if the purpose of it is to put forth the counterfeit in order to substitute for the real thing and destroy the real thing thereby because you think society would be better off without the real thing.
@brendav6926
Жыл бұрын
@@conceptualclarity My observation is the deeper we get into end times, I see imposters being exposed in all walks of life. Now is not the time to bury your head in the sand and ignore the sign of the times. Evil is out there to divide and conquer, Teach us Holy Spirit🙏
@tinamoore1821
Жыл бұрын
I don't really understand any of this I am a Apostolic Pentecostal not Evangelical or Emergent hmmm bible truth is very important but our Pastor does not have itching ears😊
@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid
Жыл бұрын
Everyone wants a piece of Jesus. Nobody really wants all of Him, as recorded in the Bible.
@lionelbradley4394
Жыл бұрын
2 Timothy 4:3 KJV - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
@elizabethryan2217
Жыл бұрын
I've only seen him interviewed once before, but he seems to be another absolute treasure! Such an encouragement to come across! 🤗 🙏🏼 👏
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
A well know discernment ministry has called out Dan and his theology. Someone please tell Alisha or dan?
@elizabethryan2217
Жыл бұрын
@Sorrow in Christ I don't see this anywhere. Can you give more information?
@KJ-lb4tj
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 troll.
@KJ-lb4tj
Жыл бұрын
@@elizabethryan2217 he's written this non descript nonsense in every comment.
@KJ-lb4tj
Жыл бұрын
@@elizabethryan2217 doesn't even look to get Alisa's name correct
@thesimplyagapeproject6342
Жыл бұрын
Calvinism Sortiology is very different from what scripture teaches and is not what the majority. Calvinism is different because you are saved before you hear the gospel and if you are not the elect you have no free will to choose the gospel. I agree on end times issues. But the gospel is the gospel. Galations 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
@royruser5074
Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing as I didn’t under stand the Emergent church, but I was in a very charismatic church, world famous, I started hearing things that were just a little bit off, according to the scriptures, one day I questioned something that was said from the pulpit, the reply was who do you think you are to question the leadership, the church had merged with the catholics and others, well it wasn’t earth shattering to be told to shut up, but the straw that broke the camels back for me was about a month later, when the paster got healed and gave the glory to the angel Raphael, NO Jesus paid for our healings, when he took the 39 strips on his back, thus the reason I left, when the bible speaks of unity, it means among believers, Jesus didn’t unite with the pharisees he had some choose words for them, many churches agreed to unite with the pope, the leaders were planing to fly to Rome to complete the deal they were to fly May of 1921 if I remember the time correctly, I watched on you tube the pope embrace the Muslim leader and prayed him around in the pope mobile, thus we were going to embrace a one world religion, but the pandemic stopped the leaders from flying it’s not the right time, I said that to say, I literally don’t understand how these born again leaders could think of such a thing, I’ll explain I was raised Catholic, I know their false teachings, one such one, praying to Mary or the saints, Deut. 18:9-12 “…do not learn to imitate the ways of the nations…let no one be found among you …who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD;…” Mary and the saints all died, and Mary is NOT God as is now claimed by many catholics, I also had the privilege of spending 2 1/2 years witnessing to muslims in Albania, they wanted to kill me, I told them they couldn’t I was under the blood of Jesus, Albania 1993-1996 was totally void of laws and anyone could do what they wanted to, but why would they want to kill me well because to them I was a blasphemer, because I said Jesus is Lord, thus if Jesus is Lord, Then their prophet Mohammed is a liar, along with their false god, now as a born again christian, I can and do witness to catholics, muslims, etc. if they come to Jesus I could have fellowship with them as united by Jesus but I could never Join their religion with the bible, one incident when i lived in Canada I would often go a hour drive with a muslim friend to the Mosque or other meetingsI was in a muslims car one day with him his son and a pentecostal born again christian, that had now become a Muslim, at least that is what he claimed, well this happened twice, that is the one hour trip there and one hour back, I preached Jesus and I let him know in no uncertain terms what he did was wrong, and I was not gentle, well I hope he repented and came back to Jesus but I don’t know, I was informed two weeks after the last time that he was dead, he was 51 yrs. old and in good health, the muslim’s wouldn’t tell me how he died, although they knew he was driving taxi for them, so this so called uniting all religions, is not what Jesus was saying, for Jesus is exclusive, and it’s a relationship not a religion, I hope this helps others see the difference, especially trusting THE JESUS of THE BIBLE! not any of the many false jesus’s out their.
@corinefranklin5426
Жыл бұрын
I can relate to what you shared. I too, grew up in a Catholic upbringing. When I was a young adult, I began reading my Bible and saw right away the contradictions. My mother is still a practicing catholic. I've shared God's truth with her & other Catholics. But from my experience, they all say the same thing. (Which is justification as to why they do this or that) I'm glad you got out. I pray God heals your memories. :)
@GinnyNorton-r6d
3 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh. My life story - thank you so much for this Alisa!!!❤
@KristinA-nc8my
Жыл бұрын
Clarify women in ministry? Yes, women can minister, but I hope he's not meaning pastor. That's super clear in the Bible. Elders must be the man of one wife, meaning can't be a man. Otherwise, the podcast was good.
@waldensmith4796
Жыл бұрын
Great show Alisa very educational on the emerging Church.
@jacksable9596
Жыл бұрын
Nothing new under the sun, there have been arguments about Scripture since before it was written! We even have 20+ versions, in English alone, of the Bible and arguments about which one is true. If Martin Luther can create his own version, why not everyone else as well. If Luther was correct, then why is there still division?
@elizabethryan2217
Жыл бұрын
Oh, my goodness. This is such an important discussion. Thank you both!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@rubenoeschger5728
Жыл бұрын
We need not only unity but unity and the truth !!!
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
Can someone please tell Alisha about Dan dangerous theology? Has he talked about it? Someone need to tell Dan too!
@sgabig
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 what dangerous theology do you refer to?
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@sgabig He has not renounce his bad teaching or just read his books. It can still be bought unlike Doreen who has renounce it he has not said a word about it which is very concerning and someone need to kindly tell him and warn him.
@sgabig
Жыл бұрын
@@sorrowinchrist3387 What specifically did he write that you disagree with?
@sorrowinchrist3387
Жыл бұрын
@@sgabiglook it up ministries are warning on it. It serious major issues. He was part of a big new age conference and speaker who hate the cross of what Christ done. He stand by them he never denounces them when speaking with Alisha. Or even mention their names or blogs. Its very clear.
@mandys6525
Жыл бұрын
Alisa Childers, I have relatives who are and have been "First Nazarene" Christians much of their life who some years back, when in their mid 30's, were quite triggered when I mentioned that Rob Bell was one to be cautious of due to his current "beliefs" at that time. They defended him emphatically basically agreeing with all Rob Bell was about. 🙄 One of those relatives is and was an active pastor at a First Nazarene church. That part is no doubt concerning.
@1952monkey
10 ай бұрын
Jesus never made money from his followers. true story
@KM-zn3lx
Жыл бұрын
I came out of RCC barely before COVID. But I don't feel the Pentacostal church I attend with my husband is where I belong. Should you leave them? The pastor is biblical in his sermons but worship is mostly vacuous.
@Geoplanetjane
5 ай бұрын
Go to the Episcopal Church.
@Repent4JesusChrist
Жыл бұрын
Interpretation of God's Holy Scriptures is paramount,so help us God 🙏✝️🕊
@godsgospelgirl
Жыл бұрын
Just listened on podcast. This was so good and interesting! Thank you both!
@caprimungeam662
Жыл бұрын
Thank you....this vein lines up with Gavin Ortlund's "Finding the right hills to die on". Ask your Christian friends, start the conversation, "What do you mean by........?
@scholasticbookfair.
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't consider my church to be progressive whatsoever but recently my pastor said something that didn't sit right with me. He said we are as anointed as Jesus. It really rubbed me the wrong way and he had the congregation repeating it. It was really weird. Can someone shed some light on this?
@flowerpower3618
Жыл бұрын
I think you are right.
@karinerness4165
Жыл бұрын
@Scholastic Book, can you eleberate on the context and the scripture reference(s) used?
@scholasticbookfair.
Жыл бұрын
@@karinerness4165 there was none from what I can remember. I haven't been back to church since I gave birth 10 weeks ago so it's sort of cloudy.
@conceptualclarity
Жыл бұрын
Did he say something about "Christ is not really Jesus's last name" but just a reference to the fact that Jesus had the Holy Spirit?
@scholasticbookfair.
Жыл бұрын
@@conceptualclarity nope
@ruthfisher2310
Жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion! Thank you! We went thru leaving a church with similar concerns.
@michaelc.fischer2439
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Alisha and Dan! Great conversation. We as believers have so much work to do. We need to do better. Please God, forgive our complacency. ✝️ 1:06:43
@ChildofGod98765
Жыл бұрын
Jesus is coming soon. That’s the only thing I have to hold on to. I want to give up. I feel so defeated. But God won’t allow me. I will keep faith. As a single mother I’m overwhelmed at times because both of my children are autistic. I’m desperately struggling trying to support them my husband passed years ago. I lost my job as a social worker at Forsyth hospital because I declined the vaccine. I declined because of my pre existing health condition lupus and heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption. I wish I could go back to the hospital but the mandate is still in place for all hospital employees. I’m waitressing and I’m so 🙏🏾THANKFUL to be working again, but I’m not making nearly enough to make ends meet. I also started homeschooling my boys due to them having many issues including bullying so my hours to work are limited. But even as I struggle every month to pay rent and to buy groceries and even though I’m ashamed because of my situation. I have faith that God will provide. He has this far. Faith is truly the key. Please pray for me and my children. GOD BLESS!😊❤
@riverchorus
Жыл бұрын
Your testimony encouraged me, thank you for sharing about your resilience and faith! I pray that the Lord will give you the strength to continue fighting through every challenge you face. I pray He will bless you and your family, providing you with unending comfort and peace through the storm. 💕🌈
@MillennialForChrist
Жыл бұрын
🙂Hi! I just prayed for God's provision for you, especially through a local church. Are you plugged into a local, traditional church or a womens small group w/in?
@jalex1963
Жыл бұрын
Do not be ashamed. You are your Fathers child. I know for me I focus on the word Jesus said that if I seek the Kingdom first and His righteousness, " all these things will be added to you" food,shelter and clothing. As another suggested go to your church family if you have one. May YHWH bless you.
@piperdanielle
Жыл бұрын
@@riverchorus prayed for you. Have walked a similar path and God is faithful!
@nann-xu9ik
Жыл бұрын
Please hang in there God is with you every step of the way
@christinafulkerson8763
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing! Going to put another book in my Amazon cart! 🙏🏻
@Nikki-MMG
Жыл бұрын
You have no idea how much I needed to hear that @alisachilders. I've been having a conversation by KZitem comment section with someone, for quite a while now. It's hard to have a conversation with someone who claims to be a Christian but doesn't believe in the authority of Scripture. I am feeling a bit frustrated especially after having you and Jim have so much to constructively criticize on my presentations this past couple weeks, at CIA. I talked by email with Shanda and I've really started to wonder if I'm cut out for apologetics at all, to be honest. Hearing you say you see it's hard when we're playing ball in different parks really hit me. I feel like those are the only conversations I end up in. It's even harder by chat. I was trying to learn, but I'm not getting any better at it. I keep bombing it. **Sigh**
@michellegoad1052
Жыл бұрын
People fall back in loving everyone and just being a good person along with the statement that many Christian’s aren’t really Christian with less than their views! My sister has fallen into that realm. Very liberal. Scripture is truth and we must uphold it. If God says something is wrong, it’s wrong. We are to accept the scripture, but people like my sister just use what they want to use and throw other scriptures in it faces. A very sad time, indeed.
@Nikki-MMG
Жыл бұрын
@Michelle Goad agreed. Very sad time. Yes, Scripture is truth and authority. It's so hard when self-proclaimed Christians refuse to see that. I'll be praying for your sister.
@johnbenedict1883
Жыл бұрын
Is God a Moral Monster? By Paul Copan is a great book!
@1969cmp
Жыл бұрын
Could you summarised key points of the book.
@TheBlessingReport
11 ай бұрын
Great video
@happygolucky5855
10 ай бұрын
Im excited to get your book! Although no one can change my mind that God is true good and just, id really like to learn more about these topics that people use against him.
@amandakeogh4087
Жыл бұрын
So I love watching Aleshas videos. When I chose to watch this after praying for God to put the video in front of me that I needed to see I kept thinking, Dan looks really familiar. It all clicked when he mentioned Santa Cruz. I grew up at SCBC moved away durning high school and when I came back to Santa Cruz found the SCBC had expanded and they offered a young adult service called Graceland. It was nice to be around my age group. I got involved with the Ushers group and reestablished my faith. Dan was the pastor there. I ended up leaving Santa Cruz again around the time Graceland mentioned opening their own church. I’m so glad to hear things have worked out.
@wordsofjames
Жыл бұрын
Those things are still very important. Women pastoring to a general congregation is a big one. It is demonstrably forbidden biblically in terms of how a Bible following church functions in terms of eldership, leadership and structure. It isn't divisive. It is biblical. People who fight for it to be ignored are in error and ignoring biblical teachings and that means you cannot trust the discernment and leadership of that church. Calvinism is a false doctrine. It is easily dismantled when the Bible is taken into a whole context, unlike the cherry picked verses that Calvinists choose as "proof". It isn't divisive to tear down error in a brother and church. It is the most loving thing we can do to help correct a brother's course in Christ and to make sure others are not being led down a path of error.
@larriveeman
Жыл бұрын
Matt 24 3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" 4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
@Angel-cu5mf
Жыл бұрын
the part about words and meanings is crucial
@johnbenedict1883
Жыл бұрын
We need to teach them Scripture but not diminish the reality and implication!
@undergroundpublishing
7 ай бұрын
At 50:20, its interesting that he uses the term, "One Big Tent." Around 2004, I had a dream with Rick Warren in it. I did not know who he was at the time. He was dressed in a tuxedo and counting money over an oil barrel, while looking suspiciously at me and to leaders in my church. In the dream, there was a carnival with a whole bunch of small tents, which I knew represented church programs, tailored to invividual "needs." Then there was "one big tent," in which heresy was being taught. God showed me that it was demonic, and that the people being caught up in it were not Christians, and that it was a waste of my time to try and rescue them. Every single person I ever met who got involved with the emergent church continued to get worse. I grew up in Grand Rapids, where Rob Bell taught. I can't think of one person I know that got involved with that movement that hasn't either turned from Christ, become gay, started sleeping around, or become atheist/agnostic. It's just not Christianity. His sheep hear his voice and follow him. Another shepherd they will not hear.
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