I loved Ian’s reaction when he heard that Matt had played about a 100 rounds over the past year. Matt’s been out playing while Ian’s had his nose to the grindstone.
@willl5250
4 жыл бұрын
"Hey honey! I need new wedges!" "?" "...TXG said so, standard deviation and stuff"
@adamhartman4312
4 жыл бұрын
I have a little experiment maybe try sharpening Matt’s old wedge grooves and see if you can bring them back to life and give them a tighter grouping
@brentninedorf6617
4 жыл бұрын
See, Honey. The lads said I NEED new wedges!!! 😂🤣😂🤣
@OpaKnows
4 жыл бұрын
See, honey? 40 to 50 rounds a year is just AVERAGE. Don't you want me to be the best I can be?
@SChester-nv2me
4 жыл бұрын
When do i know when to replace my wedges? its so easy. when its in the bottom of the lake.
@8466849
4 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of playing golf with people who throw temper tantrums
@SChester-nv2me
4 жыл бұрын
Well, you must be fun at parties
@detaildon
4 жыл бұрын
@@8466849 doesn't have to be a temper tantrum. Perhaps just a nice burial at sea.
@nickmirabito2
4 жыл бұрын
Love the video fellas! How about adding a scenario where you sharpen the grooves on an old wedge?
@camchann
4 жыл бұрын
Nick Mirabito I second this!!
@andrevanwyk1110
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts as well!👍
@bartscholten476
4 жыл бұрын
rick shiels has an vid off doing that
@MarkSmith-lz5rk
4 жыл бұрын
I wanna see this too
@PGRPGRPG
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't it illegal?
@m0rbidr00ster6
4 жыл бұрын
You guys still set the standard for youtube golf analysis. Hilarious comment about the Driver being the most changed out club. Rewound the video to relive that comment. Very true.
@jackyzhang2047
4 жыл бұрын
Great content, my wedges are about two years old and I practice 6 hours a day, watching this video made me realize maybe that’s why I can’t get spin 😂 just got fitted for my wedges, can’t wait for them to come
@mackenziehoyle2168
4 жыл бұрын
Wish you guys did a comparison between a new wedge, slightly used wedge and a very beat up wedge. My wedges are getting pretty beat up and wouldve been nice to see. Good video either way boys
@TheVanDamminator
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. The golfer who is buying new wedges every year or so is not the same golfer Matt references when he says "most golfers are hitting their wedge on every hole." That golfer is the one who probably replaces his wedges every 5 or 10 years. That golfer isn't thinking about it. They're thinking driver.
@babutler83
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you guys would be into doing a video like this but it's an idea... might be something that either of you could take to do with Larry Chung during a lesson if he'd be into it. Have Matt walk through a proper warm-up (static stretching, mobility, dynamic movement, golf swings (optional), etc) on camera and then do a TPI type of golf specific mobility screening. This sort of content could help us viewers understand, to some degree, how and why Matt's swing can as smooth and stable as it is while remaining powerful. If viewers follow along with the video, they might find some areas where they can improve their own games through a bit of fitness. As always, I really enjoy and find tons of value in the content you guys are creating. I hope you keep it up for a long time to come.
@gvl123456
4 жыл бұрын
You could try sharpening the older wedge grooves, like your weekend hack would probably do. Great video!
@anthonycsimmons7215
4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. I usually replace my wedges when Titleist comes out with a new model and the previous generation go on sale and i have found that works very well for me. Still have friends that treat wedges like any other club and would never consider replacing them.
@barrymills8597
4 жыл бұрын
Mattie boys got those wedge shots on a string. Looking forward to seeing you guys on the golf course. Enjoyable as always.
@MikeJones100_
4 жыл бұрын
Just ordered new wedges today and this video helps justify my purchase lol. Old ones were about 2 years old possibly 3, Can’t remember. Def due for the upgrade. Great video!
@namutwigim5754
4 жыл бұрын
Sweet justification! My old wedges are like 6 yrs old, and I just got fitted into the same wedges as you Matt, can't wait!
@stephenmoxley3004
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, guys. I've been thinking about replacing my wedges for all of the reasons you highlighted. Now, I'm convinced! Keep up the good work.
@andrewwolf4963
4 жыл бұрын
ITS RALLLLLLY TIME BOYS WOOOOOO ALMOST 100k
@sterlingjuarez
4 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of thing I absolutely need, thank you!
@zacharymilos392
4 жыл бұрын
I didn't expect to see massive changes on perfect dry lies, but I agree, where I would expect to see a big discrepancy would be from the rough and/or wet conditions. Would love it if you guys could do this test again as you described with the rough or wet conditions with various aged wedges. Awesome stuff guys.
@jacobfry2259
4 жыл бұрын
Yes please. Compare the new wedge vs. 5 year old wedge. Should be very interesting results
@Mboogie69
4 жыл бұрын
Definitely showing this to the wife to “prove” my wedge purchases. Lol
@lowcodelucas1088
4 жыл бұрын
You need approval from your wife to buy new wedges?
@Mboogie69
4 жыл бұрын
No, but I get questioned about it. Lol
@stevecernuto740
4 жыл бұрын
I'll be interested to see the outside test. I didn't see any practical difference here. Carry to total distance was the same and 80 revs difference in standard deviation comes out to 4 or 5 revs during the 3 second flight of a shot. Thanks for doing this sort of testing
@Aleks7234
4 жыл бұрын
This is interesting - I remember seeing an R&A video a while back that suggested the grooves made no difference at all to spin unless there was something between ball & face (ie rough, water), and that a totally flat faced club would perform the same from a clean lie. Is that not the case or has groove construction changed since then, or is it that the older, rough face actually has protrusions affecting spin?
@vidyuththattai1030
4 жыл бұрын
Watch a video by Rick Shiels, he tested a wedge with no grooves on it against one with grooves on it. The groove less was usable but it got half the spin of the grooves one
@richardnigro9712
4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you do some testing outdoors. Not just for wedges but other clubs as well.
@bobbykrechuniak8875
4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys! Makes me think it's time for some new wedges lol
@wallstreetoneil
4 жыл бұрын
For me, now that I'm practicing my short game a lot, it all boils down to trajectory. A new and clean wedge with a dry face and a premium ball you can repeat the trajectory - once any of that changes, the way the ball leaves the face is pure chance; and for Pros, who have amazingly high putt percentages inside 8 feet, versus longer than 8 feet, there is real money left on the table - and thus they change their wedges all the time - if you don't have a repeatable wedge swing, this would be a non issue completely.
@HanJin907
4 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Love this channel. For part 2 (new vs. old vs. older) would you be able to use the same make, model, lie angle, bounce, etc. wedges?
@kensb2
4 жыл бұрын
I currently have SM5s that I purchased in 2015(?). I don't get to play nearly as much as Matt, but I'd say I have at least 100 rounds on them and some practice. As a higher handicap player whose technique isn't as good as Matty's, I'd be willing to bet I'm giving up even more performance. As always, I'd love to see this test done by a mid-handicapper as I feel it's a bit more relatable. Also, really hoping for an entire bag fitting next Spring.
@andycarroll3
4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the test on a flat green where the slope of the green does not affect distance to the hole.
@kevochanner8859
4 жыл бұрын
What about using the groove improvement tools? Will that bring back the performance?
@markmaioli4
4 жыл бұрын
I see all these comments about using a groove tool, but if you're not playing with V groove wedges (and who is?) then why would you do that? All wedges these days have specialized grooves which differ by company & some times within a wedge line. If you're using a groove tool you're changing the characteristics of the face.
@kevochanner8859
4 жыл бұрын
I have a tool that has square and v, but it would save me having to buy a new set of wedges every year if these results are confirmed.
@nathwak
4 жыл бұрын
not sure those differences are large enough to justify a new wedge set for me. but i will reserve proper judgment until you guys do the outdoor test. great video guys
@andrewwolf4963
4 жыл бұрын
y’all should do this test with SM8s vs Original Spin Milled vokeys
@keithmchugh2558
4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a taylormade rac tp vs new mg2 wedge as I still play it in 58* and still has good spin for playing in west of Ireland. Love the videos and podcast keep it coming👍🏻
@mangoman2148
4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a video on those 'raw finish' rusted wedges. Some tour players claim they spin more when rusted but I've never seen that tested.
@thatguymark8381
4 жыл бұрын
Do you remember the scene in The Big Lebowski when the Dude has his walkman on, listening to bowling sounds? Hearing the dirty dog hit wedge after wedge ... kinda relaxing
@philr.666
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm curious as to how old irons compare to modern irons. I currently play the Titleist DCI 990's and they seem to perform pretty well, much better than the irons in my old box set.
@random_dad99
4 жыл бұрын
So recently came across your channel and starting to play again with co workers after probably 10 years. Question I have, I have an old set of clubs that are maybe 15-20 years old. I want to get fitted to see if I need to get longer or shorter shafts etc. Is it bad etiquette to go to a place to get fitted and get fitted to the clubs I already have and not buy new clubs? Not really able to spend money on what new clubs cost these days with family and kids lol. Enjoy watching the videos and learning what I can 👍.
@lroberts4162
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks guys.
@nateborowitz6987
4 жыл бұрын
During the outside testing could you talk about the difference in sand shot performance too?
@davidcarnicom5635
4 жыл бұрын
I dont expect to see much difference in the sand, unless you are a picker. You dont get much actually face contact with a conventional bunker shot. Still rough on the club face.
@grigsbypoland3203
4 жыл бұрын
I think it's about how many times you hit the wedge more than how old it is. I'm guessing 1000 hits is probably close to the upper limit before consistency goes out the window if not before. I also think it's fair to say one should think about replacing their set after 300 rounds which at 40-50 swings/round (excluding putter) works out to 12000-15000 hits. But you have to adjust the number of rounds by how many range balls you also hit to come up with the 15000 hit total for the set. For example, I finally bought a new set of irons after 85 rounds and 17000 range balls.
@FoolProof777
4 жыл бұрын
Love the videos. I was checking out the txg site and noticed Matt isn’t listed on “The Team” page, does he only help out with the videos?
@stlc3415
4 жыл бұрын
Nice content and video! Keep up the great work...
@prex345
4 жыл бұрын
When I replaced my wedges I bought Callaway's one forged one cast, my forged wedge definitely shows it's age over the cast head. I will have to replace it after this season.
@justinemery4870
4 жыл бұрын
Is one raw one plated?
@Jjwalways70
4 жыл бұрын
How about sharpening grooves guys , I’ve never done it , but is it something you do regularly in the shop or do you do it at all , I’ve always just gone and got new wedges .
@patrickkelly2394
4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the difference between fitted clubs vs off the shelf stock clubs
@derekhoskins9854
4 жыл бұрын
Would of been nice to compare 2 of the same wedge worn and new. Would crossing brands account for some of the deviation in numbers
@DavidSmith-lo7wf
4 жыл бұрын
Ha! Most people play 40-50 rounds per year .... I wish! 5-10 more like it for me! 😞
@treyperry9722
3 жыл бұрын
I bought my wedges used 8 years ago and have played 50-75 rounds a year since then. Might be time. Want to know what I bought 3 weeks ago? A RADspeed 😎
@BenLowery
4 жыл бұрын
Would it be better to not have the added face roughness? That might make the performance more consistent over time, with only a little loss of overall spin.
@DoneRightReviews
4 жыл бұрын
Where do I buy that amazing blue shirt?
@skylarsteel91
4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a very worn “new” iron like a heavily used T100 vs a brand new T100 and see if it makes a huge difference
@dougholtz
4 жыл бұрын
so MY dilemma is I have Rogue X irons, and these are really strong. the 9 iron is 36 degrees, the PW is 41 degrees. I can't really "pitch" with them, so I still carry an older forged P iron at 46 degrees and also a 50 and 58 degree newer wedge. What should I expect to use when I'm pitching less than "full" swing? 46, 50 or 58? Been practicing and can't come up with a direction. tnx
@chrisjackson1266
4 жыл бұрын
My wedge might be as old as my dad. I'd love to see what that does. All I know is it was made by Wilson and says "Pitching Wedge" stamped on the bottom. No model name, no idea the loft, and the grooves are kind of, well, gone.
@randallpennington5976
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, if you want to get rid of any of your old drivers, I am a 49 yr old guy who used to swing 119 mph with the old steel drivers. I now still play a G30 lst if you do not want your 410 anymore let me know.
@Pnode88
4 жыл бұрын
Still Ace for Matt lmao. He has been chasing one for ages now...
@andrewcarver3671
4 жыл бұрын
Guys what do you think about going back to old golf balls to stop hitting monster distance with balls they are playing now with. Will it stop hitting the balls 320 yards +
@l-ll_lnGl2Y
Жыл бұрын
Please include a re-sharpened old wedge in your next test video. Does re-sharpened groves comparable to a new wedge?
@awesomebillfromdawsonville8715
4 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍
@Jjwalways70
4 жыл бұрын
Gday lads , correct me if I’m wrong guys , I’m thinking it’s all about groove wear in the wedges , groove wear relative directly to spin numbers , more spin equals more accurate distance control in the wedges , true or false boys. ...? The actual age of the wedges doesn’t really matter compared to groove condition . Ian what are your thoughts on groove sharpeners do they actually work .
@jcstreck74
2 жыл бұрын
So you’re saying my 2008 Vokey SM58 oil can wedge is probably too old? ;-)
@jacksoni349
4 жыл бұрын
Time to buy new wedges!!
@adams7763
4 жыл бұрын
Just watching this, I would love to see what is the "supposed" life span of different clubs, and at what point in years, should you really update your clubs. This is coming from someone who has always played with hand-me-downs.
@larryyoung9106
4 жыл бұрын
sharpen the grooves and see what happens...or does that really work?
@robbiles
4 жыл бұрын
100 rounds a year on the course and 1000 rounds in the studio. No wonder Matt's swings on point. My life sux.
@Davedave445
4 жыл бұрын
I have a 13 year old Cleveland 588 Tour Action 53 bent to 54. Time to change?
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
most likely
@annefilippobertozzi7601
3 жыл бұрын
Time to send him to high school.
@waynethomas9957
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@shawn6454
4 жыл бұрын
Can re-grooving services prolong the life of wedges?
@gavin6535
4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys as always. There’s not enough of a drop off in my mind for your average Joe to change his/her wedges. 👍🏻
@rapidcat6113
4 жыл бұрын
I have the same viewpoint - for the average Joe. Higher level short game player yes, everyone else, get another couple of years out of your wedges, you (we) are not good enough to see the difference on the scorecard. Decent data as always from TXG, great to have such a controlled test pilot in Matt (acknowledging Matt that you also offer a lot of decent commentary and input beyond being an Iron Byron), love the objective content and encouraging application for the individual - with the lack of agenda approach.
@golfszncanada9487
4 жыл бұрын
Wow... every 100 rounds? I play a local par 3 course daily 54 holes atleast. Ive used the same wedges for 2 years.. im scratch around that particular course.. i occasionally will go low and shoot 4,5,6 under but i cant imagine buying new wedges at could be that much different as i already have spin issues (too much spin). Looking forward to your next video outside. Great content, im happy to watch a Canadian golf KZitem channel because everything is either uk or usa based.
@pescof
4 жыл бұрын
ok but the new club have been shot after the old one, a good way to be more accurate with !
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
We went back and forth many times
@blakeg.1093
4 жыл бұрын
Meh, maybe for a zero handicap player like Matt but imo those sm7's are good for another year, especially at $210 a club! I understand Matt is in a unique position to be able to change his equipment a little more often. For the average Joe I'd say there are a couple good years left in those babies!
@taylorteculver4970
4 жыл бұрын
I have a 12 or 13 year old 52 vokey still in my bag that has over 1000 rounds on it. Want it for the new old older test? Haha
@ryanandrews5653
4 жыл бұрын
Here's a link to the Titleist/Vokey R&D video that Ian mentioned: kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4Kd2qOdfnWrgWU
@ocat1979
3 жыл бұрын
Looks at my 10 year old oil can vokeys “it’s time we parted ways old mates”
@cbisjr
4 жыл бұрын
all he would have to do is re-do his grooves on his old wedges and bam; more spin!
@minisandgolf8933
4 жыл бұрын
Too late. I just got fit for wedges yesterday.
@ScottDreyfus
4 жыл бұрын
I'm always shocked when looping for a player that has a lw in the bag that is probably the first one they ever bought. More than half the time, people have wedges with non existent bounce and play in soft wet conditions.
@ScratchArkkitehti
4 жыл бұрын
so why would a company make a forged wedge? planne obsolescence? at least Bob Vokey is courteous enough to make his cast.
@3rdgroove
4 жыл бұрын
A worn out wedge is by no meany "broken". Most amateurs won't even notice the performance loss. Planned obsolescence comes a little bit to mind when I see certain driver finishes and headcover quality. Forged feels better, cast can have more complex forms (and help the player) plus it's cheaper... BV produces cast because he sees no business case for forged - mind you, in Japan he offers forged models at a higher price.
@ryandavis7616
4 жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@patg4246
4 жыл бұрын
Does Matt ever get tired?
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
yes
@holzbauj
4 жыл бұрын
100 rounds in a year Matt! That's 1 round every 3.65 days in a warm climate. Take away 5 months conservatively for cold weather in Canada and you're basically playing every other day?! ... how do I sign up for that life???
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
😆😆 get up at 5:30am and be willing to work evenings and weekends
@RichardXAGSU
4 жыл бұрын
When to change your wedges?? Jump on your $20k machine and look at the standard deviations...why didn’t I think of that?! 😂😂
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
Is that not the easiest way? 🤣🤣
@reedsallnatural
7 күн бұрын
Not really worth the upgrade at this point for a low/mid handicap golfer with a strong short/putting game.
@crazywolf1x1x
4 жыл бұрын
Oh.. Thought this was another Last of us 2 trailer.
@aidanocampo2840
4 жыл бұрын
You guys suggest we change wedge every couple rounds lol jokes, who can afford that
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
No one said that
@prex345
4 жыл бұрын
Clean your equipment clean.
@DailyDrivenGolf
4 жыл бұрын
my wedges get replaced when my bank account gets replaced.
@timm1583
4 жыл бұрын
I'm still gaming my 56 I got on Chipshot.com for $1 including shipping lol it is still my go to around the green
@drroger98
4 жыл бұрын
Unlike Matt, I will always blame myself for my wedge failures
@devinwright131
4 жыл бұрын
100 rounds and all these swings for videos? Geez, what's Matt's handicap these days?!
@devinwright131
4 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, I looked it up and I'm SURPRISED!
@jeffberger7890
4 жыл бұрын
Irrelevant std. deviation differences for a 20 handicapper. Better to spend the money on lessons.
@ryang1910
4 жыл бұрын
I wish you would have kept Testing vokey to vokey. For me not using the same wedges changed some variables
@Ryan-fx7jx
4 жыл бұрын
Well you'd have to find a new set of SM7's if you want to do that test - there's an appreciable difference between SM8 and SM7. It won't make THAT much of a difference. The number you're looking at is the standard deviation, which is clearly a lot tighter with new wedges
@stevef4010
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ryan-fx7jx Tons of new SM7s out there on ebay and other sites.
@andrewchung3623
4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a test comparing fresh wedges and refinished wedges?
@zacknewman6697
4 жыл бұрын
Love this idea, but now I want to see when to replace all the clubs. I have 5+ year old driver/woods and irons, have the technology advanced far enough to make a difference?
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
after 5 years, yes probably
@Ipwnnoobs7
4 жыл бұрын
I literally just bought a wedge set 30 minutes ago and then this video comes out - coincidence? I think not! Great video!
@scottmanthey3549
4 жыл бұрын
I just need to show this to my wife every time I tell her I need new wedges! I play 50-60 rounds a year with lots of wedge practice so I tend to replace them every season.
@OpaKnows
4 жыл бұрын
40 to 50 rounds a year...is average??? Plus practice?? The life of a single guy, obviously.
@markthegolfaddict9051
4 жыл бұрын
So if a wedge with no grooves can spin a ball as much as a new wedge when conditions are dry..... why do rounded grooves or worn grooves matter in an indoor and dry test like this???
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
It’s not the grooves, it’s the milling and rough surface between the grooves that has worn away.
@BillyTheKidAudit
4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it makes sense to just have the wedge grooves resharpened?
@clubchampionmedia
4 жыл бұрын
could help, can't fix the face milling being worn out though
@3rdgroove
4 жыл бұрын
@@clubchampionmedia and back in the day players were proud of their wear spot... (maybe the drop off wasn't as bad with the balatas?)
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