What are your reasons to stand when riding off-pavement?
@FredericPhotography
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. My legs do get tired. I thought that was just me. 😊
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
@@FredericPhotography, like a golfer might have to work to "change their swing" a bit, the good news is, you can definitely practice and become perfectly comfortable seated....when off-pavement. And then stand when the situation calls for it. --- Thanks for the note, glad if the video helps.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisleece9757, all are possible situations to stand. But what if you need to tap your feet to regain balance at some point?
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisleece9757, and perhaps be an 18-25 year old decathlete seemingly made of rubber : )
@jasonr1150gs
4 жыл бұрын
Stand for the ‘gram
@mattfry9893
4 жыл бұрын
I stand when the bumps buck me up into the standing position...... Effortless
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Love that move, a favorite here as well. Talk about energy conservation. Now if only someone would hand me a burrito at the same time. - Eric
@altuspienaar7679
4 жыл бұрын
You should really be on the pegs before hitting the rough spots👍
@ejwang615
Жыл бұрын
this is really helpful! most time you don't need be in standing position on tour
@BikerGirlTraveler
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank for bringing that up. I have seen plenty of videos of people traveling across continents and they sit most of the time, even on off roading. For me, I stand when I run into road conditions that look very bumpy, with obstacles, or dangerous and may require me to get off the bike is a hurry. Otherwise I am sitting.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, standing makes sense in some situations, and not in others. Thanks for sharing.
@randersson3672
4 жыл бұрын
About time someone made a video about this stupid subject...to see people stand up on straight nice gravelroads mile after mile is truly mind blowing. You sir used something most people do not use..logic and experience, thanks 👍
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
R Andersson, thanks for the note. We're peeling back the truth on this stuff, one video at a time : ) RIDE on!
@southsoundrider5428
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info! I used to mountain bike a lot and it's natural for me to stand while riding off-road!
@robmullins1427
3 жыл бұрын
Same here...my experience mountain biking has helped enormously while learning to motorbike off-road. As per this video, I don’t always stand on the mountain bike, usually during descents and when it gets gnarly. I always thought it was kinda dumb to stay in the standing position for long periods of time.
@MattVenturesMoto
4 жыл бұрын
Great tips, thanks for sharing 🤙
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the note, glad if the info helps. More videos on the way, every other Tuesday : )
@CommieHunter7
4 жыл бұрын
I was excited to see this, because I agree, too many people say "stand" without knowing when or why. Then they stand on the flat smooth gravel or dirt, and sit when it gets rough and rocky. Unfortunately, I disagree with almost all your reasons NOT to stand. All of those reasons can be addressed via technique (handlebar input, controls, braking) and some I believe are wrong (time to dismount).
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Hmm. Thanks for any feedback, if you can explain further. Thought those pretty hard to refute, the way they were explained in the video.
@CommieHunter7
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures on #1, when you sit, you're more sensitive to little movements. A newer rider might overreact to these sensations, and standing isolates the body via leg suspension to these. Less likely to overcorrect to something the bike would handle gracefully. If you hit something hard enough to really upset the bike, and you're seated, you can't absorb the impact or rebound energy. If you're standing properly, only your bike gets deflected, and you can try and realign, plus you absorbed some of the stop/rebound already. If you're sitting, the deflection kicks you and the bike; more energy is added in the wrong direction. You might still be on the bike, but it will take more steering and time to get back on course.
@CommieHunter7
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures for #2, you shouldn't need bench press strength to add input to the bars. In fact, having the ability to lean the bike with your knees and feet means you need far less bar input force. Additionally, the position you demo (while common) isn't a recommend standing position. It should be elbows raised to create skeletal strength, and more bent at the knees and hips. To your overall point, this is difficult to maintain all day, and people should sit. But I don't think that posture is a good argument against standing.
@CommieHunter7
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures for #3, it should be easy to test. Put your bike on the center stand. Sit, and jump off. Then stand, and jump off. I've dismounted my bike a lot at speed, and it's absolutely not faster from seated. Also, stand in front of a chair and hop. Sit in the chair and hop.
@CommieHunter7
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures #4, you don't have to sit for hard braking. Many people do, but you can simply shift your weight back and brake hard. Additionally, you can begin braking and drop to the seat at the same time. It may take a little more familiarization, so I agree a new rider will probably be more confident and quicker from sitting, but overall, a good rider definitely isn't slower on braking from standing.
@dlrides
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video ! As a veteran rider and ex off-road racer, the “ always stand off pavement” training fallacies have been a personal pet peeve. 👍
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
dlrides, thanks for commenting, and yea, the truth needs to get out. Pet peeveish feelings shared here.
@sailgoal
4 жыл бұрын
Man so glad to see this video!! Been riding since I was 6 or 7 close to 50 now. Only stand when you need to or your ass is tired of sitting. Its not that difficult. People have to make it so difficult. Its just common sense. We rode Yamaha 250 street bikes over off road mountain passes in Colorado mountains in 1980s for crying out loud. I think there are too many average joes watching pro tips like they will be the next Graham Jarvis or something! Stop people. I was recently on a trip high up in Colorado with my best friend. He has a Honda 450L and mine is a Honda 250 Rally. He's been riding a long time but watches all the Graham Jarvis pro tip stuff. So naturally we go over a seriously rocky pass and hes standing the entire time!!. Me I'm sitting and enjoying the ride and picking my lines and thinking how comfortable the seat is on my Rally. Seriously...and admittedly smirking watching my best friend exhaust himself while proclaiming thats the way you have to stand all the time!!! People on youube said so!!! Eeeeee!!! Seriously! Im just casually sitting working the clutch and picking my lines ..... AROUND the head sized boulders. My friend ... Well he is standing the entire time pinching the bike in a death grip with his legs cause youtube said thats hiw you have to control the bike!!! ... and he is going over the boulders!!. Not around them!! Now I've been to Colorado on motorcycles, three wheelers, jeeps, campers since I was about 10 or 11 years old. My friend has never been to the mountains...Think he would listen to me???? Nope! Graham or someone "smarter" than me on youtube told my buddy if you stand constantly you will save energy!!!!!##@$ !!!@$! Sure enough half way through a 10 mile pass my friend is complaining his hands arms back quads all sore and gassed out. Me I'm ready to keep going and finish the loop. If anything my ass is tired from sitting at this point lol. We had to turn around and go back because my friend was exhausted and too nervous to go on. So wisely we turned around because I didn't want him to get so exhausted he would be miserable or crash. Admittedly it was a hard section and I was a bit exhausted but not nearly as bad as my friend standing the whole time over the rocky sections... and he's in better shape than me. So YES I say lose the stupid pride and sit as much as you can. Stand when you need to. If you are a pro rider in top shape then good for you stand all you want or don't. Just saying this old fart knows what works....its called practical real world experience kids 💪😁👍
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
williewaterbug, ha, ha, .....but..."it looks cool," standing : ) Some folks have even argued that motocross guys are standing the entire race. We seriously don't know which half of the race they are watching. - Thanks for commenting, and RIDE on! (comfortably, and much longer it would appear : )
@concernedcitizen5506
2 жыл бұрын
I have been riding for 47 years. Spent the first 15 ripping through forestry trails and harder. We only ever stood when the terrain warranted standing. Sitting down doing power slides and wheelies was always great fun. Yes you are correct, sometimes the old foot down for an instant can be the difference to staying upright. All these videos where everyone is standing on good surfaces for endless miles looks stupid and wrong to me.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine how exhausting it would have been, standing those 47 years, just because you were on flat gravel : ) --- Thanks for the note, glad if you agree.......there's a time and place to stand, and a time and place to sit. Everyone should do according to the moment, and not some hard rule that says "off pavement = on your feet."
@C_R_O_M________
4 ай бұрын
The thing is that you don't need that foot to dab if you are standing and use proper technique. That is why hard enduro racers seldom sit when the terrain is rough and obstacles are everywhere.
@davereinhart9933
4 жыл бұрын
Good video. I am glad someone finally gave us permission to sit. I do both and it seems appropriate. Thank you.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Dave, indeed, that "off pavement, on feet" directive seems to still be out there. Thanks for the note, glad if the video helped : )
@okanaganadv2315
4 жыл бұрын
It's funny a lot of people assume you NEED to stand when off road. Chris birch goes over sitting. So happy to see this video from another great rider!!
@GaseousWorm
4 жыл бұрын
Im sorry if I come in as an ass, but I have always wondered why whyyy on youtube everytime someone uploads a video of some guys on some big advs riding in a mild unpaved road and are all standing up. Its ridiculous and they look stupid lol. Its like hey look at me Im a poser and I look like a dickhead. Have these people never seen a dirt road in their lives? When you ride a bike you sit down, the only reason to stand up is when there is a tecnical obstacle ahead of you but, you will definately know when a obstacle is in front of you, unless your blind. The other reason why you stand up is because you are tired of sitting on your ass for 5 hours, so you need to stretch. and the last reason is you are going so ridiculously fast on a dirt road full of potholes and rocks that if you sit, your internal organs and your ass will get ruined. The last reason to stand up is you are racing, so you are riding in the mud as fast as you can, maybe you fall maybe you dont, but you definately have the correct bike for that. And the other great reason to stand up, is they can get some awesome footage losing control and eating dirt, or crashing into a bush, or take a swim. Most funny thing about these posers is they stand up and they have all the gear and all the aftermaket producs and all the courses and diplomas you can get and they are all chilling by the side of the road and a local on a 50cc passes by with a sack full of potatoes attached to the bike and goes by as a breeze.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like we're on the same page on this matter, thanks for commenting. Others agree, and it needed to be said. ----- There's no denying, it does look/feel cool to stand. Being that tall....with such a view.....and the "cooling" air flow.....ha, ha.........but yea, there's a silly amount of posing going on in many cases. I'll admit I stand for the camera sometimes, just cause it does make for better photos in some situations, like when we have our Staff photographer collecting footage. Cameras must be rolling on Saturday morning at Starbucks, too : ) ----- Anyway, glad you're riding smartly, and not motivated by praise. Thanks for the note. - Eric
@GaseousWorm
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures Hehe thank you for the reply. Yes ofcourse taking a video or photo does have merit to stand up. And yes ofcourse you might stand once or twice maybe to get some chicks attention, you know, if you are on a cool bike :P But there has to be a limit :) Im a bit salty because I know these types of riders. I ride a small dual sport, aiming at a T7 some day. But Ive seen these people riding and they dont even say Hello. Why? Here we are in the middle of nowhere and not even a wave. So its an attitude problem in most of the cases. Anyway, Greetings from Colombia :)
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
@@GaseousWorm hello Colombia! Maybe they don't wave because they can't see us, being so far "above" us when standing :) Ha, ha. It is a silly thing, when we're behind masks/helmets and unrecognizable anyway. Funny thing.
@GaseousWorm
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures 😂😂😂😂
@GaseousWorm
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures I got one more XD. I stand up cause I can´t wheelie. XDXD
@thibor1975
4 жыл бұрын
First person on here I've found who talks sense thank you for clearing up the need to stand and not stand up on a motorbike.. I swear most people do it because they think its cool or have been poorly advised.. Spot on advice my friend.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and yep, without teasing riders too much for doing so......standing is often done for how cool it looks, in excess of the amount one would otherwise have to stand. RIDE on! (And perhaps further with more energy left cause you're not trying to look cool all the time : )
@nutmagnet22
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures Easier to recon a seat at Starbucks if you're standing when you enter the parking lot.Seriously,great video. As an old (63), former Hare scrambler,you sit as often as possible or by the third round fatigue sets in quicker.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
@@nutmagnet22 Ha, ha, it should be the "ADV salute of entry" when riding into Starbucks! ------ Excellent point, and yea, just imagine trying to complete an entire hare scramble standing. By the time I finished, everyone ahead of me would already be at Starbucks, and I wouldn't be able to get off the bike. --- Some folks have commented saying "motocross guys stand more than sit," but I sure don't see that as being a clear case at all. Let's ask Eli. ----- Thanks for the note. - Eric
@mechcavandy986
2 жыл бұрын
I agree about sitting at times. I have pretty good control at sitting, because I used to be a flat track racer.
@GladiusJon
4 жыл бұрын
I dont know if you will see this on an older video but i got a question. I race hare scrambles, Very competent offroad ( on a dirt bike). Can these bigger ADV bikes Rip offroad? obviously I know its not a 300cc 2 stroke but. Thoughts?
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Actually, the power-to-weight ratio of bikes like a KTM 790 or 1290 Adventure, can remain similar to the 300cc's, so yea, they can rip! Of course the bigger bikes will lumber-a-bit through whooped out sections, and never be as agile as the 300. Similar suspension travel and ground clearance, but much heavier.....still plenty of fun. Anyone agree or disagree?
@fushki
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I have ridden off road since I was a kid. I hardly ever stand up - All the type of terrain in your videos I have ridden seated and also with a passenger doing a good 50mph as well. Really don't feel like standing would make it better. And fast reaction and cornering is impeded by standing . What people need to learn is how to use your sight and legs. If seated and a big bump comes you shoot up but if you use your legs you can control the return. No shame in sitting. Thanks for telling people this in such a good video.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Rafael, you're exactly right: So much about riding safely, riding well, etc. is that "anticipation," and sight for what is ahead. Stand when appropriate, and sit when we should, sounds like the right plan for us : ) --- Thanks for the positive feedback.
@altuspienaar7679
4 жыл бұрын
Its not about shame, its about practicality and safety....and comfort. I have riden some trails, riding the entire day, where you only get to sit down when the bike is stationary. Standing up for no reason makes no sense though, especially if you do not understand the dynamics of weight distribution and how to manage your weight on the bike. Believing it is fine to be seated all the time can be much more detrimental than standing all the time. For one, standing keeps you far more alert than being seated comfortably behind a fairing. You are just that much more ready to react and will likely notice a situation coming up that split second earlier. Don't get me wrong, I am not promoting standing all day but it is important to be on the pegs at the right moment and to be seated when conditions don't require standing. I stand in the following situations, on smooth gravel only when approaching a blind hill, bend or any situation which might force me to take immediate action, even just for the brief moment when I pass a vehicle even if it is an approaching one. Naturally when I am riding soft sand or when there is a lot of soft sand in patches on the road surface, when I cross the loose sections of gravel that forms in between tracks. Then I ALWAYS stand when the road surface deteriorate to the point it is not comfortable stayinh seated but at this point it can also be a great aid in handling the bike especially at slower speeds.
@fushki
4 жыл бұрын
@@altuspienaar7679 Fair pooit but I wouldn't agree. On twisty gravel roads at higher speeds sitting is safer - simple centre of gravity points, if you stand you create a higher leaver making the bike grip worse. On sand and mud I also sit but near the back because I want to weigh down the rear for traction. YOu can stand and lean back but then you are also leavening up the front end making it want to lift. I do some pretty bad trails with huge rocks and big washout gullies on blind corners and I have ridden it all seated - why? Grip. But if you are ready and hit big stuff you use your legs on the return to add compression and it is a long stretch then I will stand up. A good example for sitting is Dakar. You see most riders sit on the rear of the bike unless the train really becomes bad. IN hard enduro ok stand because everything is hard. But trails riding on gravel and bumpy roads really doesn't justify standing. Another bad place to stand is on loose surface downhills. Again higher up makes higher centre of gravity. Graham Jarvis might never sit but no one here is no his level of balance.
@sanjeevdm
3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. The other reason why people stand, is thanks to KZitem videos posted by 'illeterate' adventure riders.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, and we'll be diving further into this topic in upcoming videos, so thanks for watching and subscribing to stay tuned.
@TheCogitech
3 жыл бұрын
So glad someone is finally saying all this. I agree 100% and can never understand why there is such a focus on standing. I ride a DR650 (including single track) and only stand about 5% of the time. Maybe less. The only major falls I have had were because I was standing when I should have been sitting.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Yea, and it's something we'll be addressing more in future videos. Thanks for commenting.
@arnohag1
3 жыл бұрын
Same here. I ride a DR650 and prefer to sit most of the time due to poor knees.
@C_R_O_M________
4 ай бұрын
@@arnohag1 You are doing it wrong then. Knees should not be too involved when standing. It's mostly your ankles, hips, back and hamstrings. The guy in this clip has the wrong posture in many instances with knees bent forward of the pegs which is very tiring (quads) and affects the knees. I am an ex-pro Basketball player with 3 knee operations and my knees are fine from riding standing up.
@arnohag1
4 ай бұрын
@@C_R_O_M________ really. It depends on the centre of balance. How long have you been riding? I've only ridden for 45 years and know what suits me best especially with bad knees. I like it when riders tell me to stand up on a perfectly good dirt road, it's sort of a power trip for the uninitiated. Best of luck, hope you ride more than you comment.
@C_R_O_M________
4 ай бұрын
@@arnohag1 Thanks, I ride all the time and ride all sorts of styles (except from MX which I consider extremely dangerous and not for my middle aged body). I currently own 3 bikes : and ride them in supersport, adventure, enduro and hard enduro styles. Been riding for over 20 years now and had next to zero problems with my knees. I also don't suggest standing when the dirt is fine, never said that. What I said though is verifiable by instructions from top riders. The content is available here on YT as well. Skills and all. Don't take it personally but you may have been riding wrong (aspects of your riding) your entire life. I known that I have had bad habits in the beginning that faded away with constant learning and practice. For example, most riders don't even know that they need to keep fingers on the levers at all times and full-fist the throttle ending in whiskey throttling the bike once in a while. Or ride adventure and enduro bikes and have their feet sticking outwards. Stop at the traffic light in the middle of the lane (risking being rear-ended by some phone-fiddling driver behind). Infinite mistakes, small and not so small, end up in injuries. Just a good-willing comment, that's all.
@reksubbn3961
4 жыл бұрын
I stand cos I enjoy standing. And it feels way more secure on gravel. I sit on my arse all day at work and in the car. I commute 140 km a day with 50% gravel. Maybe you should tell your riders to stop eating donuts and get some exercise.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
We will make sure to tell them to get in shape. So they can stand for 3-4 straight days, all day, the whole time.....even when it's just flat, smooth gravel :)
@reksubbn3961
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures haha. Thanks for your reply. Speaking to myself really. I never used to stand but really do find it so much more secure on my wee strom. Was watching the Dakar rally and noted what you said. I am sure they stood for control but would regularly sit even in deep sand to conserve their energy. Cheers.
@C_R_O_M________
4 ай бұрын
You are right that you don't have to stand all the time. Not even Dakar racers do that. However, most of the points you made are a function of poor technique. For example, if your legs get tired it means you are using your quads not your hamstrings, butt, back and abdominal muscles. That's because most riders forget the knees behind feet rule when standing up. In fact, in your own clip, you are bending your knees forward of the pegs which is going to get you tired almost immediately. Watch how MX riders ride and imitate them. They don't get tired standing up and that's because they use the correct posture which is riding on the balls of their feet, toes pointing slightly inwards, knees very slightly bend or not at all, arched back and shoulders and arms in the attack position. No wonder you think that standing up is tiring. Moreover, you can perfectly brake as well or better when standing up. You do it immediately and get your body back to counter the forces. Who told you that you must be sitting while braking? Conversely, you should get over the windscreen (legs tilted forward - knees not bent) when you intend to accelerate. Dabbing ONE foot down when standing up is absolutely fine and in many ways more effective than when you sit because the bike can move under you with your body counteracting the forces on the longitudinal axis of the bike. If you are siting on the bike those forces could still be counterbalanced but not as effectively as when standing. Lastly, in most cases dabbing is needed in terrain where obstacles left and right are at footpeg height (like in hard enduro). When the terrain is really sketchy all top riders stand when going faster or have to get really technical, when it's flat and predictable most like to sit. That's the rule I follow and never had a serious problem.
@dougiequick1
2 жыл бұрын
When me gets so tired? Me sits down....when I start to butt pucker? RIGHT back up on them pegs! Sometimes though I know I should be standing but? I'm just too darn pooped Also my pegs? Are MASSIVELY huge!! Similar to FastWays (but I won't pay $300 for the real MC Coy so it's $69 Ebay specials Nice CNC pegs for me LOL)
@Chance-ry1hq
Жыл бұрын
People are such lemmings. If you aren’t smart enough to know when to stand and when to sit you shouldn’t be riding. On these heavy ADV bikes 95%-99% Of the time I am seated. Standing raises you CG and makes it more difficult to handle the controls. The only reason I stand is to stretch my legs. If I am in a bad section I slow down, and ride it seated. One last thought, The main reason people stand is it looks cool.😎 And we all know the lemmings 🎃 want to look cool! 😎 I’m not interested in looking cool, I’m interested in riding safely.😊
@ridewithgnr2116
3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that. So, funny because several comments on my Black Bear Pass V-Strom 650 Ride, were all about “Stand” “Stand” “Stand Up!” That Was a 4 hour + ride for this amateur rider. Even when sitting you can ride “loose” letting the suspension and steering just track as needed. I did stand when I hit sections I felt the bike needed me to do just that. It is always easier to criticize.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Well said. Do what's right for ourselves, given the ever-changing moment. Consider all options, do what makes sense, and feels right. Thanks for sharing.
@coconuciferanuts339
3 жыл бұрын
That black bear pass video was awesome!I've got a '17 650 strom but definitely know my limits.
@mannyechaluce3814
10 ай бұрын
I sit when the terrain is smoother, I only stand when I really need too, but, what I notice is I find myself standing to relax, sitting on the saddle is more tiring to me somehow, my knees are folded, I feel the pounding on my back, standing gives me relief somehow....
@virendradr
4 ай бұрын
I AM BLESSED TO HAVE YOU AS MY GUIDE,BRILLIANT ,NICE,FLUENT,TECHNICALLY SOUND AND AFFECTION IN EVERY WORD THAT YOU UTTER..FEEL HAPPY TO LEARN ADV SKILLS THANK YOU SIR YOU ARE VERY STRONG PHYSICALLY,MENTALLY AND TECHNICALLY..WISH TO EMULATE YOUR PERSONALITY LOVE AND REGARDS FOR SUCH A NICE FRIND
@RIDEAdventures
4 ай бұрын
So nice of you. Thanks for the feedback
@mal-wx6tu
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the intelligent perspective on sitting off-road, standing is only necessary when, going through tight trails or doing runs at speed to relive bodyshock.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, and we're just trying to get the word out there, as this is pretty important safety stuff. And a matter of overall enjoyment. Thanks for commenting, and RIDE on!
@jasonearles9789
4 жыл бұрын
I’m with you on this one! I will say that I mostly stand when riding down a very steep hill and as you mentioned in very rocky/rough terrain. Sometimes at high speeds when I kick the back end out. It can step out further without loosing control and high siding. I use to race hare scrambles and I am much faster in the woods while standing. At least in the tight stuff. It’s easier to throw the bike back and forth. But at 110mph on a gravel road I’m in the saddle
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, that dreaded possible high-side, we'd all like to avoid, and as you've noted, there are some situations to sit, and some to stand. Imagine if a trainer had told you to automatically/always be on your feet when off-pavement. RIDE on, and thanks for the comment!
@kokkiematematika1931
2 жыл бұрын
Question... can sand roads be ridden in the seating position?
@HARRYS_SLOTCARS_N_RC_CRAWLERS
Жыл бұрын
110 mph on a gravel road.... Bloody hell 🤭
@jasonearles9789
Жыл бұрын
@@kokkiematematika1931 yes but sit further back and light on the seat ready to stand when it gets rough. Watch the Dakar race you’ll see a bit of sitting.
@robertwilson7145
3 жыл бұрын
You only stand to accommodate for the bump, or jump you take. You don't want Rebound, legs used as a spring. You keep your feet on the pegs, if there is no obstacle just sit down.
@VonSutho
4 жыл бұрын
Well done, I ride a big KTM and I apply the techniques I learned riding enduros which mirror your comments. Sitting has some serious benefits as does standing. Weight on the rear wheel sit, for that extra traction, blind crested single lane dirt roads (lots of those in my part of Australia) stand to see the farmer driving in the middle of the road. Adventure bike magazine video or photo shoot, stand because it is expected... and it lets the latte settle better ;)
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly right, use that viewing angle by standing where it makes sense, and for better digestion : ) Thanks for the note, and RIDE on!
@landywiganda
4 жыл бұрын
i always stand up when my arse getting numb after couple hours riding lol
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Especially on the original seats that most manufacturers, hemorrhoidally speaking, seem to think we would enjoy : )
@Captndarty
4 жыл бұрын
I mean we paid good money for a seat so we might as well use it? Also the only two times to stand is when a camera is around and while pulling into Starbucks.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Ha, ha, there's a running theme here, where plenty of us are giggling at/with others who have perpetuated a stereotype. All good fun, and yea, that seat sure is there for a reason : ) Thanks for commenting.
@TBdown70
2 жыл бұрын
When it gets technical is when I stand and to let blood back into my ass and legs lol but on nice graded dirt roads I will sit.
@vladalexandru5861
4 жыл бұрын
Been doing this without knowing it. Finally someone that has pertinent and informative stuff to say. Thank you
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Vlad, excellent, and we are enjoying seeing notes like this....as it seems like the topic needed to be covered. Thanks for the comment.
@jcraig8
2 жыл бұрын
You know what else is more comfortably done seated and with more control???? Peeing hahahahah! Sit to pee men! Take it back! Unload for a minute, chill out, and don't aim or splatter. Sure men can stand up and pee anywhere, anyhow we want. But sitting down is great! Just like motorcycling, are you afraid of losing some perceived sense of masculinity or are you your own person?? "While at sea, sit to pee." As for me, I seek to conserve energy and maximize efficiency, and that doesn't mean standing all the time. /shrug then again, I ride a Monkey :D Carry on.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Good rule of life coming full circle here :)
@gunfzx
3 жыл бұрын
Just watched another video on the topic - “I stand 90% of the time even on the road” - That’s when you laugh and go for a gravel ride sitting down.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Curious, someone else said they stand 90% of the time on pavement? Have to assume that person was The Quadfather, Tom Platz : )
@gunfzx
3 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures had to look that one up and now I can’t get rid of that image!
@vojtal182
Жыл бұрын
I usually sit when riding on a gravel or easy offroad. However one reason to stand was omitted IMO, and that is that the bike stabilizes so much compared to sitting. When sitting, most of the body weight is placed high, on the seat. When standing, the weight is located on the pegs. IDK how to explain this, but when the bike starts torquing and doing weird stuff, I put weight on the pegs and it stabilizes. You don't even have to stand to do that...
@RIDEAdventures
Жыл бұрын
Good analysis, and yea, it's a challenge articulating all the moving factors. Yes, our weight might be contacting the bike at a lower point when we stand, but standing makes our body's center of gravity now higher. Fortunately, it all works out and we enjoy doing so, and yes, good point, we don't need to stand to weight the pegs!
@normferguson5209
3 жыл бұрын
Look at Baja and Dakar riders,thay sit when they can. Try standing for 500 miles.good leg work out.i stand to see further and take obstacles esay.also the boys.lol.Ride on!
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent example.
@happywanderer5632
3 жыл бұрын
How do I ride washboards? I have to ride 8km of gravel road to get to work and sometimes the washboards are really bad. I stand up part of the time, but the front tire jumps around quite a bit and the back tire breaks traction a lot, both of which scares the poop out of me (I'm not a trained dirt bike rider)
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
You're probably on the right track: Stand when you want to and sit otherwise, or when you feel like it. Keeping weight off the front should help it feel better, and of course a bike with a 21" front wheel rolls over imperfections better than a 19/17". Overall, just understand that it's natural, or appropriate for the front to feel like it's "walking" a bit, and hopefully that keeps the poop from being scared out before you want it to : )
@igig2792
3 жыл бұрын
It’s quite difficult to stand at heavy cruiser like Honda VTX 1800. But soon my KTM 890 adv will come to me)
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
We agree, but then again: There's a time and place for every bike : ) Enjoy!
@idselseno2306
4 жыл бұрын
If the certainty is high that I'll crash or drop the bike, I'd rather sit down and ready my feet to dab or try at least my legs won't get caught when the bike falls. I'm not good in riding off-road but still try to practice standing even though at times it's scary with having your feet far from the ground.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Idsel, you'll probably ride a looong time, and stay plenty safe with such a strategy. Well done, and do what makes sense for you given the moment. RIDE on!
@nickr5051
3 жыл бұрын
What a great video. This is got to be one of the best needed to be said things for adventure riders out there.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so. Hope it helps anyone.
@gregbristowe3057
4 жыл бұрын
I have "steg pegs" great help when standing up , australian invention google them
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Yea, good product idea, they make sense!
@robpinter5431
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting...I think that instructors say stand is more for Enduro or off road racing where the rides last for a few hours at most and the riders are super fit, riding 100Kg bikes, not riding all day with 250 kg bikes with luggage...Middle Ages blokes and ladies on multiple day rides, there is a reason we like plush seats.... I fear standing up in the rough stuff is that if I fall off I am higher up off the ground.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Yea, a bit closer to the ground, less-far to fall : ) We've just been compiling the learnings of multiple customers over the years who had done 250kg big bike training. So many of them having been told during that training that it's automatic: Off pavement = on your feet.
@tonyiandiplock5825
2 жыл бұрын
I learned the hard way recently do not stand in mud and slippery conditions. My rear wheel stepped out and because I was standing as I lost my balance I landed up opening the throttle instead of shutting off.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Yikes, and yea, gotta make sure those rubber footpeg pads are off in addition to making sure those tires are grabbing as much as possible. And yes, nothing says we "need" to stand in mud, so do what makes sense. Thanks for sharing!
@rickybobby8224
4 жыл бұрын
So stand except for when I should be sitting. And then I should probably not sit when I should be standing.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Yea, ha, ha, that would have saved us all so much time! : )
@brucekendall52
3 жыл бұрын
Agree with all that you have said.Let common sense prevail.Thks.JHB-SA.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Well put, There’s just too much going on over multiple terrains to make any blanket statements that accurately address what a rider should be doing. Thanks for commenting.
@ravendon
3 жыл бұрын
Indian offroaders always sit. They never stand.
@tigrealpaxley4894
3 жыл бұрын
i'm just glad i started riding a bicycle when i was a kid. the skills i've learned on a bicycle can be applied on a motorcycle like standing on the pedal / foot peg. i never had anyone teach me about it, i just instinctively learned it after the painful experience of having my balls crushed when i sit on my bike on rough roads. i most hours i spent riding was 13 hours only stopping for bathroom breaks and eating. i can't even imagine the pain my family jewels would go through if i sat on my bike for that long. i still want to have kids someday.
@Outlawracing713
4 жыл бұрын
I guess Chris Brich doesn’t know what’s he’s talking about and you do???? Let me see you ride an 1190 like Birch does and I’ll take your advice to add 200 pounds of dead weight to a a 500 pound ADV bike. Standing moves your body weight center of gravity from up high to the low point of the pegs. That pays dividends for control in gravel, sand and and then rocks. When you add 200 pounds that can’t move and is along for the ride sitting to a 500 pound bike, you are asking for trouble. It’s a balance thing not a comfort thing when you ride an ADV bike in intermediate terrain.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Nydirtriders, at what point in the video did we say a Rider should never stand? And at what point did Chris Birch say a Rider should never sit? --- Good luck with those hemorrhoids.
@Outlawracing713
4 жыл бұрын
RIDE Adventures I can’t get hemroids if I’m standing bro
@toltod
3 жыл бұрын
I always thought stand when you need more control or doing gnarly single track.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Sure, the situation might call for it. But some control can be given up by not having the power of our legs, pelvis, torso, etc. gripping down on the bike and helping to move it. Thanks for commenting.
@roshs4729
4 жыл бұрын
Not a trained rider but experienced one here from Nepal . I agree with him and I do the same .
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Yep. Even without formal training, a rider can still be an excellent at this. Thanks for sharing.
@roshs4729
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures Thanks for the kind words . And want to add , you tend to apply front brake while standing which will be fatal on dirt or gravel .
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
@@roshs4729, yea, the front can be a little easier to grab than the rear brake pedal when standing, and you're right, in gravel......that can lead to problems. You have a solid, natural riding intuition, Rosh S ....celebrate that, and ride far and long with a smile, friend : )
@brunol3874
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I just started dabbling in dirt after years of street and sport bikes. Not sure if it's right or wrong but I feel like I'm doing the same like I do on my mountain bike; sit and find the smoothest line when I can and get off the seat when it's rocky/bumpy.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
That's it! "Do what makes sense, given the moment," was the underlying message. Welcome to the dirt, and as long as you don't fall victim to the belief that there are hard and firm rules on any of this stuff.....as long as you follow your instincts, and keep in mind the fundamental reasons to stand in the video....you'll do fine. RIDE on!
@Luckykoi1290
2 жыл бұрын
Agree and thank you, have had some heated discussions with some instructors !
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Lloyd, thanks for saying so. And there have been some heated comments and discussions below this video, some of which I've noticed, the originators have later deleted. Sit when it make sense, squat or stand for others, and RIDE on!
@a5a6a
Жыл бұрын
Thank you..Your channel is beautiful and has many benefits
@RIDEAdventures
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so!
@tomaszzaj3121
2 жыл бұрын
u are my cat best regards from Poland :)
@Heksu99
4 жыл бұрын
But well kept gravel road is hard and should be fine to ride in sitting position. Sure you have to slow down to corners and avoid loose gravel, but I don't see standing helpful at all. And I ride sports tourer on street tyres.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
And yet it's interesting in other comments to see how some folks have claimed they can stop faster from the standing position.....
@Heksu99
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures Yet that fights even laws of physics. I would say it's more about being comfortable when riding on gravel. And when taught that way, you'll think "oh they have experience, they know." And if they aren't used to gravel roads, they will think they are fine if standing.
@tonyhill8300
3 жыл бұрын
actually only stand when you need to is best!
@patw9175
3 жыл бұрын
It kinda blows me away you had to start the video the way you did. People will stand on their bike for days a time? I've learned not to criticize people for not knowing things I know but like...come on. I can totally see some confusion about posture, weighting etc, but when to stand and when to sit just seems like something that would come naturally. Whatever, more people riding is always better. Thanks for the video :D
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Pat, it's true. As you said, I would think it's natural just to sit when one's legs are tired, but some of these folks who had "off pavement = on your feet" rammed into their head so relentlessly, say they just can't feel safe sitting when on gravel. So they exhaust themselves unnecessarily, and potentially dangerously. Fortunately it's usually in an exciting part of the world like Patagonia, so adrenaline takes over, but yea. Thanks for watching and commenting. --- Eric
@patw9175
3 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures Love your videos, they help me a lot!
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
@@patw9175 thanks for that note. More videos ahead : )
@spymaine89
4 жыл бұрын
interesting cultural study. you watch many riders that succumb to training instead of day day experience. .as you said, ''take the training, and apply your own observations.''
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Spymaine89, yep, what works for some doesn't necessarily work for all. Teaching (forcing) someone to do something new, perhaps a bit outside of their comfort zone or natural instincts, in itself makes said lesson seem important. Students feel like they're "learning something," and getting what they paid for. --- Plus if feels and looks cooler to stand : )
@sudz58
2 жыл бұрын
Different folk will tell you all sort of things. Do what works for you.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@johnace7711
2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid! I sit when its safe to sit and stand up when i have to.. 🤣
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent, trusting your instincts instead of following some hard and fast rule that someone made up : ) --- Thanks for watching and commenting.
@floydthedroid5935
2 жыл бұрын
After watching more than a dozen of these. I’m subscribed. I’m on my seventh road bike, looking at my first adv, a tdm900. Thank you for putting up factual, objective content. Cheers!
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so, and welcome aboard! More and better videos ahead : )
@scoobychu706
4 жыл бұрын
Informative and well-explained, this is a big help to newbs... like me. Your channel’s videos are very well shot, too.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Scooby Chu, thanks for the great feedback. More videos ahead, so stay tuned and RIDE on!
@thaimmigrant
3 жыл бұрын
that africa twin is looking MOIST my dude
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Such a great bike!
@robmullins1427
3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! I’ve always felt this way but it’s nice having a pro in the biz say it.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for those kind words, and for watching. More videos ahead : )
@marshallfischer3667
4 жыл бұрын
I don't want to stand all day because I don't want to waste the extra gas.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Ha, aerodynamics, the factor we forgot to mention! Ha, ha, thanks for commenting.
@ShadowVonChadwick
Жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm back riding after 30yr out of the saddle. This standing "preoccupation" has bugged me this last 18 months. My last bike was a new 1978 DT400 Enduro. But picked up a 2011 KLX250-300 as a best pick for me to relearn on, I don't have the lung capacity to ride aggressively for any length of time, so I'm always looking for time to conserve energy & O2 (and just enjoy the bush). I have ridden with larger groups on a few occasions and am amazed by this compulsion of newish & not so new, riders on a large expansive bike to be on the pegs all the time. And the number of bent front rims and flat front tyres is confounding me. The connection I see is the perceived idea that standing and riding hard n fast are always linked or expected. Cheers Any way, a good vid and some solid info. Thanks
@paulfenn5060
3 жыл бұрын
Right barkbuster bolt looks loose.
@klangmasseur
Жыл бұрын
YES it's true. Good Riding in sitting Position needs Training too. And for people with longer suspension - is is much easier too stabilize the bike with the throttle than with the knees. When a bigger "hole" is coming, open the throttle a bit. The bike goes out of the suspension With training it is possible to sit on the seat and the seat level keeps at the same height, while the suspension makes all work. On many dirt roads we have big holes filled with water. When it is dry, that's my technique in dry season to drive these holes. It is easy to do that for hours, especially on big bike with power and long suspension. Learned on a 950 KTM@
@robertcrumb6092
3 жыл бұрын
great advice! I recently fractured my ankle on a Triumph Tiger going up and around a sharp, uneven L turn on gravel. I was standing and couldn't touch my foot or eject in time. Yes I am inexperienced but could've done quite nicely without the fracture.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Robert. Hope the recovery is going well. --- Careful folks, it does happen.
@idude2216
2 ай бұрын
If traction is marginal, I'll stand. If I'm eating a lot of dust from other vehicles, I'll stand. If it gets technical, I'll stand (not for visibility but because it's easier to stay balanced).
@baldandbiking
8 ай бұрын
I know this was three years ago but your point was good and still stands. You think a little outside the box just like me and I agree with how you approach riding skills! Not everyone has iron legs!
@TLE1977A
Жыл бұрын
Cam dab from a standing position, can brake hard from a standing position, can jump faster from a standing position. Should learn to do everything from both seated and standing. I find my CRF1000L more stable in the gravel while standing when going fast. Cruising and sitting, its ok.
@marcwilliams9285
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed you don't have to stand. I raced moto x as a youngster then enduros as an adult and you are constantly changing body positions, sitting, standing. I don't agree with your statement that you have less control of hand and foot controls when standing, if you have less control then your body position is all wrong and you probably have your knees and/or elbows locked out and are supporting you upper body on the bars, Very dangerous way to ride. If this is the case then just sit or learn body positioning in a controlled environment. When standing you should be able to take your hand off the bars and not fall forward or backwards all the hard work should be done with your legs , you hands and arms should nice and relaxed at all times. I noticed your standing position is horrendous. Knees and elbows should be bent and your arse should be pushed back. Another problem for most people is they use bar risers and this just makes the problem worse as it promotes a more upright ( locked knees) position. I'm 6'2 and have never used risers as they are just adventure marketing junk. Also in 30 years of off-road riding I haven't and never would try to jump off a bike. And as far as less balance when standing!? Sorry that is garbage the whole idea of standing is you let the bike buck and move under you without fighting it. Your bike for instance is 200+ kg you're not going to win that fight.
@Bitplanebrother
3 жыл бұрын
i agree..just stand when you need to..but some things i disagree...especially braking and lever control...this might be true for beginner offroad riders..but most riders will eaily stop the bike while standing even when breaking hard..
@MrPeter924
2 жыл бұрын
Good video sounds great motor bike ride great show
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@carlfredb
3 жыл бұрын
I like your stand on the subject of sitting.
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Hope it helps folks stay comfortable, ride longer, and do what makes sense for each given moment.
@missadventuresmotorcycledi2773
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, totally agree with your sentiment. Can't wait to watch all your videos.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Miss Adventures, thanks for the note, more videos ahead every other Tuesday : )
@motopossum7839
4 жыл бұрын
One of the big issues I have seen while at various dual sport and ADV events is that not only are people standing unnecessarily and for long periods of time but they are also standing incorrectly. Unless you are stretching or airing out, a rider should be standing in an attack position when in rough terrain, slightly canted forward with knees bent and weight over the bars. I see so many riders with tall bars and add ons like Rox Risers. Setting a bike up this way completely prevents a riders ability to stand in the "attack" position and then they wonder why they are struggling when the going gets tough. Sure, it's great for comfort while seated but the complete opposite of how you want a bike set up for dirt riding. Regarding leverage on the bars, if a person is standing properly, it should actually generate more control than sitting, not less. This is why you see riders in races like the Baja 1000 or Dakar Rally standing much of the time and it's precisely why trials bikes have no seat.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Motopossum, okay, but it's hard to imagine how a rider could have greater leverage and more deft control over the handlebars, the further their arm/shoulder/torso angle is from being in a direct, perpendicular bench/chest-press position. Let's be careful what we're saying here, as nobody is stronger with their hands lower vs. perpendicular to torso. (Although yes, hands lower when standing can play a role in overall balance and vertical impact absorption, and other riding factors, hence we stand when appropriate.)
@motopossum7839
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures Absolutely , we must be careful in what we say as newer riders are likely to watch these videos and read the comments. Making sure that these riders are receiving the correct information is paramount. You'll note that I was very careful not to say that a rider can generate more force while standing but that they will have more control overall , when encountering rough or technical terrain, if they are standing correctly. Interestingly most of the control generated while sitting is going to be had not by force, but by proper body input , just as when standing. You can see this demonstrated in several Jimmy Lewis videos where he rides one handed while doing figure 8's in sand. Balance and body position far outweigh leverage at the bars. Years of racing offroad have taught me that he's right in his assertions. Overall, what you are saying in your video is correct. Standing when unnecessary just fatigues the rider and has no real advantage. "SIT DOWN" should be the rallying cry for the majority of riding that ADV motorcyclist will encounter on the vast majority of their rides. Cheers man and keep the vids coming!
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
@@motopossum7839, likewise, well put. Tough one for any of us to articulate on organic movement as it intertwines with a moving machine over varying terrains : ) Good on ya, thanks for sharing, and RIDE on!
@ADVBear
2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for the tips. Subbed.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@bergoff
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I ride my Africa Twin in rough terrain. The only time I stand is during big bumps or jumps so it doesn’t hurt my back.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Right on, Shaun, we've got the option to do what makes sense, given the probably-ever-changing situation. Have fun and thanks for commenting.
@andrewsoldan6050
2 жыл бұрын
stand up for your rights
@jeffreyyeater1780
9 ай бұрын
Ive riden all my life . I've never spent much time on my feet . Only when needed . 45 years worth. Ridiculous!
@anamargaretlowery2046
3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I always learn something. Thank you. 🙂
@RIDEAdventures
3 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome, thanks for saying so, and more videos are on the way. Glad if they help : )
@silviazencich6862
5 ай бұрын
I agree 100% with this! In fact is my riding option Standing only in 1 of that 5 situations!!! Great to hear these
@keithcarlson6038
Жыл бұрын
I thought maybe riders on adv bikes just thought they looked cool standing while riding a gravel road! Haha.
@MyYTwatcher
4 жыл бұрын
Not an offroad rider myself, but the video was very nicely done. Clear pros, clear cons. Very good rhetorical skill. Thank you for it.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the note. If you do ever get into the dirt riding, hopefully this helps.
@bradleyalexander5821
4 жыл бұрын
Well stated advice. “Follow your own instincts”. As a new sub, I’ll be following closely to enhance my skills and enjoyment. Thanks 😎
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard, more videos ahead!
@coconuciferanuts339
3 жыл бұрын
Standing is safe if the upper body is centred.Too much weight on one peg makes the bike unstable.
@ryanmalone2681
2 жыл бұрын
I just started riding off-road and spent 1 day on the trails in central Tennessee and was terribly sore for 3. I was standing a lot too.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, yea, the ensuing soreness. Maybe what you rode completely warranted all that standing, so then it's just a matter of what kind of condition we're in. Do you think you did a bunch of unnecessary standing though?
@ryanmalone2681
2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures No, I took your advice. The bike was moving around like a dancer. I’m in middle Tennessee and had to go full dirt tire because the trails are so loose and there are a lot of mud, loose small pebbles, and gnarled ruts and loose stream crossings. I think it’s just forcing me to get into shape. It was my 3rd time ever off-road and it was a 6 hour jaunt so it was a lot from what I’m used to. I have no issue doing 6 hours on the Ninja or 10+ hours on the K1600, but this is exhausting.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanmalone2681, sounds like you're having fun though, isn't it nice to have a bike that goes anywhere : ) But yea, something to be said about our physical conditioning. We've got more videos ahead on this, including "Yoga for Motorcyclists" coming up soon. Enjoy and thanks for watching.
@ryanmalone2681
2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures It’s amazing. I’m thinking of trading in the K1600 for a GSA so I have a shorter distance but better off-road bike (Tiger 900) and then a less capable longer distance bike that I can still explore the dirt on longer tours. Can’t believe I waited 15 years of riding before I discovered this.
@bradleymartin7501
4 жыл бұрын
Well, people tend to like stuff when it agrees with how they think. So I REALLY liked this video! I ride a DRZ400 as my ADV bike and rarely stand up. Only for bumps. I see these folks standing all the time and don't really understand. Every last thing in your video confirms what I've been thinking all these years in regards to control, balance etc... I watch Trials riders standing all the time and wonder "should I be doing that?" But being 6'1" tall, even with a high bar set up, the controls are waist high when I stand (too low for decent manipulation). I've center stand tested some of the big displacement ADV bikes and they seem to have higher bar to seat relationships than my little Suzuki but I still question how much bar/controls control you give away when standing. Yeah, you can affect the bike balance with your feet some, but it seems to me you still have more control sitting. Some of this I think goes back to Trials riding and old dirt bikes that had 4" of rear suspension. Both of which require(d) standing to get the job done. The motocross and supercross guys even sit a fair amount during a race! Anyway, I found the video a minimum a good watch to at least question....Why am I standing all the time???? I was fascinated in Alaska, on my touring bike (FJR1300 2 up) going down these long construction (dirt) sections. We accidently hooked up with a bunch of ADV guys headed for the Dusk to Dawson event. They all stood thru the construction zones. We giggled, and, miraculously made it thru the sections while seated. Looking forward to more videos!
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Bradley, thanks for the great comments, reminding us why we're making more of these videos recently. --- Based on what you said about noticing the difference with big displacement ADV bikes, I'm wondering if you've installed bar risers, or tried sampling different riding positions on your DRZ? Each degree of angle I get further from a bench-press/seated kind of position with my bars/controls, I feel slightly less dexterous with them. As noted in this video. ----- Glad you noted how much MX/SX riders are sitting, as that's a PRIME example of athletes needing to conserve energy. Riding at max heart rate for 20 minutes at a time, there's no significant enough advantage for them to waste more energy, and we can still manipulate a bike with our feet and bodies from a mostly-seated position. ---- There are reasons to stand as noted in the video (like cooling off), but one reason I don't think we drilled on much is: Who "looked" cooler in the construction zones on the way to Dawson? : ) ----- Have fun out there, and RIDE on. - Eric
@bradleymartin7501
4 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures I have installed bar risers and a slightly higher bar. Any higher and I'll need new cables so that's as far as I'm going. Even with ape hangers, I think I'd still rather be sitting for the "Dab" factor. I do try and practice the standing up stuff. I think next I'm going to rotate the brake and clutch so they are a little better for standing. Just to see how that affects things. But not so they become a detriment to operating them in the seated position. I watch the Dakar racers and they have their bar/controls up so high they can barely see over them! Of course they are in great physical shape, and going 90mph down unknown conditions. (understatement warning coming up) And they are pretty good riders too. Standing power slides thru the sand..... Uhhh…. not in my pay grade.
@edwardburd6900
4 ай бұрын
Excellent advice and perspective.
@RIDEAdventures
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the note
@toddswain7459
2 жыл бұрын
Great Video Eric. Thank you.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so, Todd. Glad if it helps. - Eric
@malikknows3510
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, and I've seen the tendency on behalf of some to stand all the time when on dirt. Never understood it myself, but thought it comes from off-road racing where it may make more sense. But, day in, day out adventure riding is a different animal.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Malik, imagine wasting all that extra energy on multi-day rides, right? Glad you know the difference, as we've seen by top pro's racing tracks, in the woods, the Dakar and Baja, etc. Thanks for the note, and RIDE on!
@stojanborstnar3100
3 жыл бұрын
OK ! Good advice.
@heatherthomas5781
4 жыл бұрын
By far this is the best video I've seen on the topic! Thank you!
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Heather, thanks for the note.....which is truly appreciated. Glad if the info helps anyone.
@perpedersen6226
2 жыл бұрын
My instructor stressed the fact that when standing up, you're lowering the centre of gravity, since all the weight is on the pegs. But again, this would only make sense, if you have to have maximum agility ie. difficult off road terrain. Like Messie. He can do a lot of football tricks because he has this low cog.
@RIDEAdventures
2 жыл бұрын
Yea, but then as someone else just pointed out, we're really "raising" our COG because we are taller when standing. Hope everyone gets the takeaway message here correctly: Do what's right for you, in each situation. Any instructors telling people "off-pavement = on your feet" are just wrong. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@bidlymovies987
4 жыл бұрын
Great videos. Will be watching many more. Grew up riding dirt bikes. Never heard of the always stand rule. I actually feel a little at risk when I do a full stand to stretch the legs. Certainly not going to stand all the time. Time and place for everything.
@RIDEAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Bidley Movies, thanks for the note, we're glad if the info helps anyone. As you said, there's a time and place for standing.......we just wanted to make sure more people realize that (instead of following the hard and fast rule that some training academies push.)
@todde.richardson
11 ай бұрын
Well said! It seems to be more of a European flair to always stand off road ( it make me tired just thinking about it). It’s like someone had to add an extra niche to make ADV ridding a bit different than other types of riding. We didn’t always stand riding and racing dirt bikes growing up. I’ve been out in the middle of almost nowhere here in Oregon on my AT and come across riders standing for what would seem for no apparent reason and it makes me giggle in my helmet and tired just watching them. After 49 years of continuous riding, none of this sissy stuff of taking time off for kids and such, I’m pretty happy to sit as much as I can. 😆
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