This is probably the best video anyone ever produced on the MSX! Kudos!
@RetroDream
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks Ricardo! Really appreciated
@als5164
2 жыл бұрын
Great content! Gradiente pushed a lot MSX in Brasil. As I recall, it was more common to see MSX computers than PCs on the average household. At some point, maybe around 1988, PC clones starting flooding the market and MSX lost a lot of traction, and was eventually overrun by PC clones. Gradiente also developed a NES clone, called Phanton System, by the begining of the 90s. Also, great to see old computer magazines with codes... good times, life was simpler!
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
That's right! I agree 1988 or 89 was a turning point for countries where the MSX was the most developed. Nostalgia... Thanks for your interest!
@pikuma
Жыл бұрын
verdade. 🙂
@ricardotabone3231
Жыл бұрын
Great point! A single event that caused damaged to the MSX standard in Brazil was the release of the Gradiente DD Plus in 1988. It was supposed to be a MSX2 computer, with a bullt-in 3 1/2" floppy drive, internal clock and turbo mode. All oof these features were really introduced, but it was still a MSX 1 computer. If Gradiente (and they subsidiary Polyvox) had REALLY taken the plunge and invested in a real MSX 2 or MSX 2+ computer, it could have lasted much longer in Brazil. Most MSX 2 and 2+ hardware in Brazil was installed as kits. Mine was from AVCS: A MSX 2.0 kit, plus an FM-PAC cartridge and a "MEGARAM" cartridge made my system behave quite close to a full MSX 2+ The MEGARAM was a RAN cart that simulated KONAMI MEGAROM carts but with software loaded from floppy disk.s.
@CyberMSX2
11 ай бұрын
@@RetroDream Unfortunately, the Hotbit HB-8000 created by Sharp do Brasil was not even mentioned, which is terrible and regrettable.
@leniere309
Жыл бұрын
I had a Toshiba MSX, loved it, I still have some of the magazines that I got back in the 80s. Thanks for this series. Cheers.
@RetroDream
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your interest! We all loved these fantastic machines. Cheers
@henson2k
2 жыл бұрын
I had my first exposure to Yamaha MSX-2 in Soviet Union 1991 Recently bought Sony MSX-2 for nostalgic reasons
@Anarchronic
2 жыл бұрын
The MSX and MSX2 were the favorite computers of my childhood, I had also C64 and an AMIGA both good too!
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@backloggamereviews
2 жыл бұрын
Just bought a Japanese MSX2 and came across this video looking for info on it. Very nice history lesson!
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ;)
@markg155
2 жыл бұрын
I still regret giving away my Philips vg8020/20 till this day. I have such great memories about the MSX, its capabilities and flaws. Spent countless hours playing games and dipped my toes into coding on the MSX. It deserved more but in the end the world wasn't ready for a standard.
@happysprollie
2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap. Weird to see that issue of MSX Computing flash by. I was deputy editor and there's a story behind that illustration of a body builder.
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, sounds interesting! Definitely looking forward to hear your story, and any other from people that were on deck during these epic times...
@pikuma
Жыл бұрын
The MSX was *really* popular in Brazil. ❤️
@RetroDream
Жыл бұрын
Sure! :)
@retroblogit
2 жыл бұрын
So we might expect a third episode, where you talk about the failed attempt to create a third MSX standard, and about the Panasonic Turbo-R ?
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
We might :)
@back_to_basic
2 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting! I'd like to see a part 3.
@StephenThorley
2 жыл бұрын
+1 I'd love to watch a part 3
@alextrusty2585
2 жыл бұрын
About old "MSX3", or the upcoming MSX3, which is KAI about to launch this summer? ;)
@retroblogit
2 жыл бұрын
@@alextrusty2585 the old attempt of course
@jdmcs
2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the Yamaha CX5M. I think I would have liked it as a kid. As a big kid, I now have a few. Looks like I need to find a few Kinami games for it.
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Same thing here ;) Thanks for sharing
@kivancsil
6 ай бұрын
Philips NMS8245 MSX2 with monitor and matrix printer in the same style: WHAT a beautiful beast: It's colors were closer to an Amiga than an Atari ST.
@RetroDream
6 ай бұрын
A badass configuration for lucky ones!
@back_to_basic
2 жыл бұрын
...and so the long-awaited sequel has arrived, fulfilling all expectations. Great job! :-) Thank you for these nice videos about MSX.
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, and happy it met your expectations!
@JustinKieft
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice overview I got my msx late in the systems life but still so many great games and useful programmes it was my first computer and a great one at that. Only after the upgrade to msx 2 (that nice Philips NMS8250 with sperate keyboard and monitor) it was a great little machine and paved the ways for my it career.
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I feel I need to discuss further the MSX topic. People are asking about a 3rd episode... If this is the case, I'll talk about programming as well.
@msxdroid
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you and again, I have enjoyed this episode. Is there coming a part 3 ?
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
If people demand it, certainly!
@StephenThorley
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroDream Yea please part 3
@GeorgesChannel
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I really enjoyed it. The MSX was relatively unknown in Germany. Most people move to 16bit systems for gaming at that time, especially the Amiga. And i imagine, they were quite expensive too. Nintendo and Sega were also very present with their consoles here...
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Just like in France... Thanks for sharing!
@inpurgatory
2 жыл бұрын
This (and part 1) came up in my suggested feed...and I enjoyed it, then looked at your other vids, and how now subscribed and watching the back catalogue haha :)
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Tell me which one you think is best!
@captchuckles515
2 жыл бұрын
I watched part 1 and 2 back to back, amazing work and content, I just subscribed, keep up the good work! Hopefully part 3 comes!
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your interest! Given the number of requests, there are chances for a part 3 indeed
@Markr7855
8 ай бұрын
I had a Toshiba HX10 and then a Philips Nms 8245 best computer I ever had. I live in the UK and also had an Amiga I found the Amiga games soulless in comparison.
@RetroDream
8 ай бұрын
I can understand that!
@smpsmp8423
2 жыл бұрын
Great video editing and content. Keep making videos!
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Sure, thank you!
@andrecaruso1666
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, although I need to make a little correction about Brazil. You’re right there was Gradiente MSX machines, but the more popular was Sharp’s HotBit, because it was a lot cheaper.
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads-up
@gastonb1318
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this content, it is great. You help me remind a great moment of my life enjoying as child with friends my MSX, in which I learned to program and later on still my job. Thank you
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@vanhetgoor
Жыл бұрын
Still waiting for the MSX3!
@eliezervargas2959
2 жыл бұрын
retro in My blood
@fabulaattori
2 ай бұрын
MSX was also very popular in Finland, especially thanks to Spectravideo.
@1697djh
4 ай бұрын
The price crash and price of used IBM PC compatibles killed the home computer market. Where are Amigas? Atari STs? No longer sold, no software from large software houses.
@DrDroogkloot
2 жыл бұрын
I still have my philips msx 1 computer with its original cassette player. Never repaired and still working.
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
Incredible quality.
@SquallSf
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I always assumed MSX is something in Japan only. Is it safe to say that MSX had the best specs among 8-bits computers? P.S. Since this is dedicated to MSX video I wish there were more details. Like showing just a video resolution mean pretty much nothing. Mentioning things like is it tile based or linear(bitmap), does it has layers, H/V scrolls,... also no floppy?
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
No floppy in standard, as described. There should be a sequel episode with more on this.
@SquallSf
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroDream I understand that the standard doesn't include a floppy. Even most 8bit computers didn't have (at start) floppy, but around that time it became the golden standard and many manufacturers started to provide one for their systems. If not hobiest did that job :) I had used a system that was developed in UK but was more known in France called Oric Atmos. I used a clone couple of years after the original was stopped, but it had no floppy. So a guy made controller for the expansion slot to connect Apple II drive. He even made an OS that was file compatible with DOS 3.3 (Apple DOS). So although there was no official floppy support it actually had ^_^
@RetroDream
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing those details and sorry I didn't saw this earlier: KZitem is terrible about notifying new replies to comments! Sure I know the Oric Atmos... It's full part of my latest release on this channel, along with all other systems from the 80s ;)
@aropis
2 жыл бұрын
great content! I'm glad to see the part II. Keep it up! I'm curious, how come you are showing French computer magazine of the eighties?
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
I'm French :) It's my Canadian friend Richard's voice, to avoid a strong French accent.
@aropis
2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroDream Ah je comprends tout! :D Because I couldn't tell you were French from your accent. Makes sense now. I thought I recognized some msx news/tilt there. Keep it up!
@isaactanner6403
3 ай бұрын
Uncle Gates, "Bill" helped Kazuhiko Nishi to built the most biggest "standartization" trying ever !! Waiting for (off course 😄) the statistics of the results to apply in his own plan on how to take over the world of computing 😈😈 ! ! And the results we can see today !!
@RetroDream
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your feedback!
@ducasp
Жыл бұрын
Konami games @ 50Hz look soooo wrong, it is a pity they didn't create PAL version of most gamez 😅
@jameslewis2635
2 жыл бұрын
A standard for 8 bit computers at the end of the 8 bit era. If they had targetted 16 bit capabilities I could see the standard being better recieved though no doubt it would have pushed up prices. It was a good idea but with the wrong timing.
@RetroDream
2 жыл бұрын
That summarises it.
@timoheinonen9570
2 жыл бұрын
In 1983 when the first MSX standard was made there were no real 16-bit home computers. There was TI-99/4 and TI-99/4A computer but it had 8-bit bus, so it was not fully 16-bit computer. Sinclair QL came 1984 but it also had 8-bit bus. One of the first, if not first fully 16-bit home computer was Elektronika BK-0010 from Soviet Union, in 1984. Amiga 500 and Atari ST were not really popular, at least here in Finland until about close to 1990 or something and until that most people had 8-bit computers, mostly C64, CPC or MSX.
@fr_schmidlin
2 жыл бұрын
The MSX was intended to be "The VHS of the home computers". Just like the VHS, it was intended to be cheap and popular, not high-end. High-end/expensive equivalents would be the Laserdisc and the IBM-PC machines. This explains the decision to base the architecture on an 8bit processor. A Panasonic FS-A1 MSX2 computer costed a meager US$200 when it was released in 1986.
@jacobo8773
2 жыл бұрын
We had the MSX 2 and was great but as soon as the 16 bit came with an actually OS like the Amiga and Atari MSX lost. MSX should have pushed more on 32 bit development and an OS. Then maybe it became a succes. But nevertheless great memories.
@MonochromeWench
9 ай бұрын
MSX was no doubt hurt by Microsoft going all in on support for PC Clones. The PC platform was pretty much exactly what they wanted but was also 16 bit and later 32 bit. A standard computing platform that came with Microsoft software Not hard to see why Microsoft in the US didn't care about the MSX, they already had a standard platform of choice and it would end up making Microsoft Billions. If the IBM PC was a failure MSX would have seen big adoption.
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