Martin Freeman was one of the best aspects of the Hobbit he was so great as Bilbo
@Impoo1337
5 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who doestn like him? i dont like his acting style. He is always doing weird stuff with his Hands. like making a Fist etc.. puts me off
@paulbeardsley4095
5 жыл бұрын
@@Impoo1337 He was great in The Office. Unfortunately everyone decided they had to use him on account of his being great in The Office. Every "everyman" character had to be cast as Martin Freeman. Watson, Arthur Dent, Bilbo... It's like a clever joke being ruined through repetition.
@tomeverett7008
5 жыл бұрын
@@Impoo1337 nope
@zamot4808
5 жыл бұрын
@@Impoo1337 i agree with you. i dont think he is a bad actor and i like him as watson, but his "stop and go" acting does not work for bilbo in my opinion
@xedd4603
5 жыл бұрын
Impoo1337 bruh, thats his character, u should have read the books
@TheDjn8
4 жыл бұрын
The Hobbit trilogy are a lot like Bilbo himself at the end of the third age: "thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread"
@stefan1924
4 жыл бұрын
It is a commcerially farmed butter though. It comes from cows who are raised in giant slaughter houses. It looks like the same thing at first, but if you take too close a look at it, you'll probably not want to eat it anymore. I prefer my grass fed Lord of the Rings butter.
@blunt0sword0meals97
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe that's why Bilbo feels that way when we see him in the Lord of the Rings
@PoeticProse7
4 жыл бұрын
And fueled into being by an unnatural source of power namely from will to dominate and gold!
@Antidoxy
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, all those beautiful analogies! Love it 😍👌🏻
@elizabeths4371
2 жыл бұрын
good quote!
@eirinidel704
3 жыл бұрын
See, the thing is Jackson tried to save the movies when Del Toro walked away from the project. He asked one year delay from the studios so he can work the script but the studios refused him. So basically accusing only Jackson is wrong. He did the best he could with the little time he was given. The Lord of the Rings had a 3 year preproduction process.
@15Candles
Жыл бұрын
Well I'm glad that Jackson was absolutely honest with the production issues. He didn't deserved the hate he get for The Hobbit. He did his best, New Line and WB here were the problem that stabbed him in the back
@GandalfGreyhame
6 ай бұрын
The biggest problem with The Hobbit wasn't the limited time, but the fact that Jackson was desperately trying to bring The Hobbit onto the same level of scope as LOTR. Adapting the book into an entire trilogy by adding stuff that doesn't fit in the slightest was simply put a massive mistake. The fact that production was limited to such a short timespan makes these decisions even more problematic and unexplainable
@SolarSailor1967
5 жыл бұрын
I get tired of the obligatory love story...........in this case the Legolas, Tauriel, Kili love triangle.
@MIZZKIE
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it destroys the whole point of the Legolas-Gimli relationship doesn't it.
@Tina06019
4 жыл бұрын
It was insultingly STOOPID. Completely pointless.
@AcidWords1
4 жыл бұрын
@@MIZZKIE Yeah, and the Sauron reveal made the Sauron reveal of LotR pointless, and made all the major leaders of the world seem incredibly forgetful.
@NikkiLove9022
4 жыл бұрын
He wasn’t even supposed to be there. 😂
@Ejmillanv
4 жыл бұрын
and it's even more stupid when you read that it was forced by the stupid studio and they look forced because THEY ARE ALSO RESHOOTS, so forced + reshoots just "heyy because..." nope.
@hugolarioscolino4256
6 жыл бұрын
Most of these weren't even Jackson's decissions. And most important of all, you missed that this movie had 0 pre-production time. They pretty much had to start filming right off the bat after Del toro departure, and this caused a tremendous ammount of stress and uncertainty in Jackson, i still can not belive he managed to film these movies considering how little preparation this trilogy had to begin with.
@kirkmoore4855
6 жыл бұрын
Hugo Larios Colino I think it mess up in the second movie
@ttandc
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly, it's as if he has not watched the documentaries on the DVD / Blu ray. Anybody that thinks this was Jackson's fault is COMPLETELY mistaken. WE should consider ourselves lucky we got what we did get. Any other director would have done far worse given the time limit from the studios.
@jkapagerides8684
6 жыл бұрын
(Y)
@al112v4
5 жыл бұрын
But still he decided to make 3 movies. I don't feel bad about him.
@torakka2ow640
5 жыл бұрын
al112v5 That was not Jackson’s but the studio’s decision.
@try2tri811
6 жыл бұрын
I agree with almost everything you said, but I wish people knew that it was the Studios interference that destroyed this film, NOT PJ. They did not want to give him any more time than 2 months to prep for the film. You can see in the bonus DVDs him saying he often had to make things up on the spot and had no idea what was going on. The love triangle was an element forced in by the studio, not PJ. Compare this to LotR where PJ had 3.5 years of pre production, to the hobbits 2months. You can see why it was doomed to fail. PJ did the best he could given the terrible situation he was in and a very uncooperative studio (however I agree the digital grading in this film is just wrong - it is far too saturated and fantasy)
@ARCtrooperblueleader
5 жыл бұрын
True, but perhaps The Hobbit should have been left to our imagination(those who haven't read it). Some stuff should be left to our imagination and not made into film.
@davidbellamy6777
5 жыл бұрын
Well done. The Hobbit was so bad that it made the star wars prequel look good. There was no tension or feeling of danger and that was partly due to a bad script and partly due to the unrealistic CGI. When a dwarf can survive a fall of 50 feet (the misty mountain scenes) then there is a feeling that no one is in real danger and there is then no wish to join in the journey emotionally. This maybe because, unlike tlotr where there were dozens of great lines taken from the books that triggered real emotions, in the hobbit we had to rely on a script that felt contrived and shoddy.
@ARCtrooperblueleader
5 жыл бұрын
@dave ortwine - Preach.
@katiecooper1387
5 жыл бұрын
I think this needs to be spread around. I didn't know this until a couple weeks ago. There are still people hating on PJ for things the studio was responsible for.
@89edipus89
5 жыл бұрын
@@ARCtrooperblueleader I agree completely, it's like the Star Wars Prequels, in a way, that trilogy was completely unnecessary, and just like the Hobbit trilogy, it sort of messes up the original films. Case in point, if you watch a SW marathon from I to VI (I don't even consider the Disney shit movies part of the series), you get a different feeling for HOPE, EMPIRE, and JEDI after seeing the first three, the same thing happens in a Middle-Earth marathon, The Hobbit movies don't blend well with TLOTR. We didn't need to see three films about Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader, that story should have been left to the collective imagination, and though we know of Bilbo's adventures in the book, we didn't have to see it as over extended and bloated as we got it. In conclusion both prequel trilogies hurt their respective masterpieces.
@pascalvannielen6794
5 жыл бұрын
I still enjoyd The Hobbit, But it of course wasn't as great as The Lord Of The Rings.
@joeysmovieblog
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Reippa
5 жыл бұрын
@eating sugar no papa Ikr! I love Hobbits movies to
@Via_The_Void
5 жыл бұрын
The storyline felt dragged out for me as I'm a lover of Tolkien's book. The extended cuts are good but I just felt let down by the theatrical movies, there just was no epicness to the story as there was with Lord of the Rings.
@remicasallena
5 жыл бұрын
For me both are masterpieces, tho we can agree which is better.
@agneteht
5 жыл бұрын
Not strange considering that the book isn't nearly as complete or detailed as the LOTR. The Hobbit is tedious in parts, pedantic in others and the dwarves are outright unpleasant in places. It has plenty of highlights but isn't nearly the epic masterpiece that the lord of the rings or even Silmarilion was.
@luciano9755
5 жыл бұрын
LOTR movies were done in such a secretive and isolated manner (far away from Hollywood and all its excentricities) that it translated into a very "natural" feel, like a movie from the 70s. The Hobbit trilogy felt weirder, as it was done in a much more artificial way.
@gd1465
4 жыл бұрын
That isolated feel is called Integrity. Once you lose it, you're done. You can never care about what the Crowd thinks, more then what You do. By that point, you're Done.
@brandonsavitski
4 жыл бұрын
The lack of not having a sex scene with Tauriel in it getting railed did it for me. Tender sexy asf Red headed elf girl should have got plowed into by a brutish bull juice head of a man splitting her love muscle in two.
@Zola_6
3 жыл бұрын
Luciano was still filmed in New Zealand like lord of the rings 🤷♀️ not sure what you are going on about
@hungarianbeast
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zola_6 The Hobbit had way more interference from the suits. Since now it was a well established film franchise, they wanted money above everything else.
@luciano9755
2 жыл бұрын
@@Zola_6 Look up the behind the scenes for the first movie. There was so much care and dedication put into it that it was impossible for it not being a masterpiece. Then look at a Hobbit movie bts with celebrities showing up amd getting to play minor roles, 3D backgrounds everywhere, complete lack of practical effects and most of it done in big studios far away from the wilderness of NZ.
@Aurrimazz
6 жыл бұрын
1. By adding characters and events, which were not in the book. 2. By not adding characters, which were in the book. 3. By making an adaptation of a 250 pages book for children into 9+ hours long movie divided into three parts. 4. By making the said movie look like a video-game.
@agachill5000
5 жыл бұрын
It's pathetic that Jackson sold out and milked the Hobbit dry.
@RexOrbis
5 жыл бұрын
1. Yes, you can add characters and events not in the book and still have a good movie 2. They left Tom Bombadil out of LOTR, does that ruin anything?
@hanburgundy4317
5 жыл бұрын
@@RexOrbis You _can_ add characters and events not in the book, but doing so normally does (in this case it does) ruin the movie or at least a good portion of it. I agree, though, cutting out Bombadil was a good choice.
@RexOrbis
5 жыл бұрын
@@hanburgundy4317 RUIN? Just completely ruin a whole portion? Ok.
@hanburgundy4317
5 жыл бұрын
@@RexOrbis Flies and Spiders a.k.a. Mirkwood was written by Tolkien to be entirely different than what the movie gave us. He described it as dark during the day and pitch black at night, filled with freaky eyes that watched them, giant versions of normal animals, black and white deer, and most importantly the party leaving the path to follow lights at night. The movie gave us a red-hued mushroom trip with literally none of the source material.
@lordvoldemort8904
5 жыл бұрын
Martin Freeman as Bilbo was a highlight though.
@dhavaldesai6202
4 жыл бұрын
You speak truly my lord.
@emile5921
3 жыл бұрын
I dont see that. He played his usual Martin Freeman persona that he plays in everything. They could have casted someone with actual charisma.
@Brave_Aviator
3 жыл бұрын
Martin freeman can be the only Bilbo! He was sooooo great!
@karma4033
3 жыл бұрын
@@emile5921 And he's "usual persona" is perfect for Bilbo
@JohnnyBoy7267
3 жыл бұрын
He’s annoying i don’t agree .. a total cartoon character just like the movies themselves.
@Nnoo1987
5 жыл бұрын
the soundtrack makes me cry everytime
@BossGaming-vg6zh
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@dildobaggins2759
3 жыл бұрын
humble beginnings...
@fiddleronthebike
3 жыл бұрын
yes, the music is incredible without a doubt
@TheIrishEnigma
5 жыл бұрын
I've rewatched every Lord of the Rings more times than I could ever count. I have seen Battle of the Five Armies exactly once.
@magisterofsteam7880
5 жыл бұрын
ok.
@magisterofsteam7880
5 жыл бұрын
Battle of Five Armies would honestly have been my favourite if I hadn't read the book.
@KAi-nm2wg
4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@thespacecatjenkins8539
4 жыл бұрын
its called growing up with it and nostalgia
@pater2671
4 жыл бұрын
Me too didnt see it since when it came out in the cinemas
@heiko7015
7 жыл бұрын
100% agree with you. I was always kind of uncomfortable with the look of these movies due to being shot with digital cameras because everything looks so artificial and strange. It sounds crazy, but the practical effects and models in LotR had a much more realistic appeal than all of the Hobbits CGI.
@LoverOfTheBayou
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly it sounds counter-intuitive but its true. Practical effects are grounded in reality which makes them look more realistic. Actors in costumes, prosthetics and make-up are more real then a CGI ork.
@mikespearwood3914
6 жыл бұрын
yes, exactly. excessive CGI ruins movies. LOTR feels realistic, just like the original Star Wars trilogy feels realistic. where as the Hobbit trilogy and the Star Wars prequel trilogy look and feel fake as hell, so you can't get as emotionally invested in them.
@MariWakocha
6 жыл бұрын
It looked so realistic you weren't able to buy the things on screen. I'm all for technical advancement, but there are cases where film works better than digital clarity. I think when I have kids they will have trouble telling the Hobbit trilogy and Playstation 9 video game cut scenes apart.
@bbaerga121697
6 жыл бұрын
Heiko Rauscher and the 45 frames per sec or 60 forgot which one.
@MariWakocha
6 жыл бұрын
48~
@Aldiraider
5 жыл бұрын
I think the only problems of the Hobbit Triology was the overuse of CGI and change of the original story. The LOTR tie ins, made the Hobbit watchable for me. I even think those movies would have ended much worse without added Gandalf-scenes or Sauron, Saruman, Galadriel, Legolas Characters. Jackson tried his best after Del Toro left.
@1xoACEox1
5 жыл бұрын
The only problem?? Are you high?? The bloating! The needless original trilogy tie ins! The generic handsome square jawed dwarves and the shoe horned interracial love story! Get your head out the clouds Smith!
@Aldiraider
5 жыл бұрын
The original triology tie ins, were very good and gave that movies, some more interesting scenes with Gandalf / Galadriel and we learned more about Sauron. I know there were a lot of changes and I don't like all of them, but at least I enjoyed the Hobbit movies. And have an opinion on my own.
@vxvoart
5 жыл бұрын
I still love it.
@brandonmireles3249
5 жыл бұрын
Did anyone notice that the orcs in Lord of the Rings looked a lot more little but in The Hobbit they'd look like huge in tall I guess
@Aldiraider
5 жыл бұрын
That's because In Lord of the Rings all Character (Humans, elves, Orcs) except Gimli, and the hobbits were normal size. In Hobbit it was more difficult, because they used to film the Dwarf Actors or the elfen Actors. And then added the orcs. That's why they look bigger. It would have almost been impossible to film Hobbit, like Lord of the Rings. When all movie characters can be filmed in normal body size its so much easier. And in Middlearth there are different kinds of Orcs. For example Moria Orcs are much smaller than Mordor Orcs. Most of the orcs in Hobbit aren't even breeds of Sauron, more like descendants of the real Ork Tribes from older times. And inviroment is another fact, of how they look like, in Mordor most orcs have dark skin, because of Ashes & Dust. While Orcs from the North have white skin.
@starbrand3726
4 жыл бұрын
Bottom line, The Hobbit movie was too overstuffed. It was a thin book and they padded it up for longer screen time.
@thenobledildo8870
4 жыл бұрын
Yep. The studio wanted a trilogy so they could try to suck up as much money as possible. Instead of having genuine passion for the project and source material, it all boiled down to returns in revenue. That's all... No more and no less.
@shadowbandit3975
4 жыл бұрын
No, I don't agree with this. Take out the love story, the overuse of cgi, some of the blatant unnecessary changes like the creation of Taurial, and how BOTFA played out it would have been a decent trilogy. All the extra stuff at least based on source material outside the hobbit was very good. The White Council scenes were some of my favorite.
@Zola_6
3 жыл бұрын
Star Brand 😂it was awesome . Guess you have to be a Tolkien fan to appreciate it 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️ and obviously you are not ..
@starbrand3726
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zola_6 I am a Tolkien fan. A fan of the REAL stories. The Hobbit movie was packed with things that were never in the book. For example, Legolas was NEVER in The Hobbit book but they forced him into The Hobbit: The Desolation of Samug movie. Also, in the book the dwarves just avoid the dragon Smaug, they DON'T melt gold and try to drown him in it. Sure, these changes take a 300 page book and expand it to three, 3 hour movies, but this is NOT the story Tolkien told. You are NOT a Tolkien fan, you are a Peter Jackson fan.
@fiddleronthebike
3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowbandit3975 and what's with the grotesk goblin scene, the stupid moments at Lake Town when random kids beat cruel orcs by chance, the "fighting Smaug with gold" nonsense, Legolas being out of any gravity... aso aso. No, they made huge mistakes! Beside all the wonderful pictures and moments in the trilogy there is also some crap - and that's a shame because it could have been a masterpiece for sure!
@thudthud5423
4 жыл бұрын
Thoughts: 1. "The Hobbit" SHOULD have been released first. They ended up making "The Hobbit" as a prequel to the mega-successful to "The Lord of the Rings". That's not the way "The Hobbit" should have been portrayed. It should have been two movies and it shouldn't have strained to foreshadow the elements to "The Lord of the Rings'. 2. It shouldn't have had so much CGI. I like CGI when it works, but "The Lord of the Rings" made great use of live action. The Orcs are a great example of why CGI didn't work. 3. The Dwarves should have been Dwarves and not mini-humans. They should have resembled Gimli. The dwarf/elf romance was a ridiculous and unecessay inclusion.
@axalate4572
4 жыл бұрын
@@brandonsavitski lol
@TheZebbsonchannel
3 жыл бұрын
It should have been 1 movie period. Not 2, not 3. But 1. Its a 100 page book for crying out loud. 1 movie no more, no less. Too bad the studio fucled everyone over
@blokekebussy
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheZebbsonchannel It’s over 300 pages but other than that you’re correct
@15Candles
Жыл бұрын
The thing is, Jackson originally wanted to make The Hobbit first and then Lord of The Rings but after he had a fallout with that shit stain monster Harvey Weinstein in pitching both movies to Miramax, Weinstein decided to hold the Hobbit rights and LOTR was sold to New Line and Jackson decided to make LOTR first because he was completely free from Weinstein and it was fast tracked perfectly by New Line. It wasn't until 2006 that Weinstein lost the rights for Hobbit. People seemed to not know that Weinstein was involved in the early making of the LOTR and Hobbit. He even threatened to fired Jackson and replaced him with Tarantino if Jackson didn't follow his vision, what a jerk
@BibbikChernyshevsky.
10 ай бұрын
@@TheZebbsonchannel honestly i really liked the pacing of the first movie and two movies would've done a way better job of gradually developing bilbo and thorin's relationship (the most complex one) than one movie
@VfxBlender
5 жыл бұрын
I love how you pointed out the natural look of the real film camera not digital. I will say Peter Jackson was thrown into the project last minute and was expected to grab the pieces together, but I think this made the story seem scattered. Pre-production is more important than people realize, it allows you to iron out the edges. Also I think that 2 movies would have been enough.
@98Dreadboy
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I think it is ludacris to think that Peter Jackson WANTED the movie to be mostly CGI. He just got thrown into the director role last minute, and had no time to make it as real as he did with LOTR.
@mikevasquez1103
6 жыл бұрын
They made Smaug a footnote in the story arc. They spent two films teasing us dragon only to have the very end of the movie be a Universal Studios Theme Park attractions style chase scene and then just the prologue of the third movie. I didn't want a romantic subplot I didn't want characters from The Lord of the Rings I wanted a dragon.
@randomnumbers84269
6 жыл бұрын
To be fair though, the scene where Smaug flies to the village at the end of film two(?) was spine chillingly epic. "I am fire. I am death"
@kingkongballz1774
6 жыл бұрын
like a little kid that is not happy with his presents, this is how cute your comment is
@Carzy4232
6 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna tell this guy he's like a little kid, that'll show him... everyone's gonna be like "holy shit Mike Vasquez you got owned!!! KingKongBallZ is the coolest!!!"
@kingkongballz1774
6 жыл бұрын
haha owned. reality owns him and you. wake both up
@Carzy4232
6 жыл бұрын
these are not good burns my dude. you should work on that a little more before you go out trolling if you want to piss people off and not just entertain them
@NokMTG
3 жыл бұрын
You nailed it. All these distractions away from Bilbo's story. I wanted my kids to watch The Hobbit, since it was THE lighthearted, fun, fantasy novel that could inspire everyone, until they grow older and can enjoy LOTR with their Dad.. but sadly, this trilogy missed that mark, and that is not the case.
@ipercalisse579
5 ай бұрын
If del Toro directed it you would have forgotten the "children movie to grow older with children" crap lololol...
@user-ds8ro9je8i
3 жыл бұрын
I definetly agree, but one of the things I absolutely despise would be adding tauriel, and I suppose it would be fine adding her if they didn’t make her fall in love with Kili. And also, Legolas should be younger during the hobbit but he actually just looks older than he did in lotr, so maybe they shouldn’t have added him.
@josephiajanke9850
2 жыл бұрын
"Why is there a WOMAN in my movie!?!?" Try Harder
@Adumb_
6 жыл бұрын
There is a fan edit that cuts all 3 movies down to 1 4 hour movie and makes it entirely about Bilbo. It is much more true to the book and is remorseless with the material it cuts, taking out everything that isn't relevant or feels out of place.
@guga380
5 жыл бұрын
I've seen it and it's great!
@sif9138
5 жыл бұрын
@@guga380 what's it called?
@guga380
5 жыл бұрын
Just look for Tolkieneditor.wordpress.com something like that
@sif9138
5 жыл бұрын
@@guga380 thank you 👌
@frozenjafa
5 жыл бұрын
It's "The Bilbo Edition", and Bryan Seeker (the youtuber who made this vid) was correct when he said there was an actual good film hiding somewhere inside the messy Hobbit trilogy. This is it. A+ word by the editor, Daniel Udell, goldfishblues.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/the-hobbit-the-bilbo-edition-3-0-the-final-cut/
@biggybeans6046
5 жыл бұрын
First movie: Amazing. Second movie: Extended filler. Third movie: “Wtf is going on?”
@Rinesmyth
4 жыл бұрын
gotta give the 2nd movie some credit, it had one of the best dragons in cinema.
@cormacconnolly6655
4 жыл бұрын
I find it hard to rank them I really dont know why it's just.....hard but I want to rank them but i......cant
@brandonsavitski
4 жыл бұрын
I thought the second movie was the best of the three movies. The scenes with Smaug coming out of the gold / treasure and talking to Bilbo was the best scene in the Hobbit movies.
@brianlaudrupchannel
4 жыл бұрын
It was all filler
@user-rs7xf5tm9s
3 жыл бұрын
Second movie: Tauriel's tragedy
@RevinDay
4 жыл бұрын
Lack of Dwarf-like beards on all the Dwarves. THATS where they went wrong.
@Gunnarr123abc
4 жыл бұрын
I saw the promo pictures of the dwarves, and that put me off immediately before it even came out. I never watched the hobbit films, because I know I would get triggered too much about the dwarves not looking like dwarves.
@adamnowak7538
4 жыл бұрын
dwarves grow beards after 60 so killi dont have so much hair he is youngest rest have great beards and hobbit is great trilogy but still lotr better xd
@Travisfairman
3 жыл бұрын
Adam don’t coming pulling random facts out of your ass.. they look like hobbits not dwarves.. in lotr Gimli says you can’t recognize a female dwarf because of the beards.. that means they all have beards and not only after 60 years old
@Cramblit
4 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head.. The thing that makes LOTR movies so loved imo, is not only just the story, but the film style used. It used a believable, relatable film style but was also just enough fantasy to pull away from reality. It straddled both believable, and non believable at the same time, and did it extremely well. THe Hobbit trilogy was almost all fantasy, so it made it look and feel completely fake. It's not something the audiance, and fans can "Get into". They can watch it, even love it, but they can't put themselves there with the characters like you can with LOTR because of all the excessively fake CGI.
@Dina_tankar_mina_ord
6 жыл бұрын
Give peter some slack. He did what he could with the amount of time he had.
@jari2018
6 жыл бұрын
He ruined the story.. as he did with lord of the rings.
@jari2018
6 жыл бұрын
I have read Lord of the Rings countless times every summer for 20 years and Hobbit and - and Silmarrion a couple of time with the Tom Bombabill story . I guess you as kid thinks Lotr or Hobbit fantastic - it's not . Sometimes authour cheats the story as producers , since they - authour get lazy had had a brainsurgery but he had a ghostwriter finishing the story - Sometimes a producer is hired for the wrong reasons - the right reason was to make fantasy action - in where a youth could not see the shallowness. Peter Jackson is shallow.
@jari2018
6 жыл бұрын
I watched them once ... cant stand them - killed the novels also for me ..
@arwenitaofdoom9041
6 жыл бұрын
He did not ruin the LOTR that's bullshit.
@zeezoldyck1924
6 жыл бұрын
The LOTR movies were great what the fuck are you talking about?
@MerchantIvoryfilms
6 жыл бұрын
Peter Jackson Prep time: LOTR: 3 years Hobbit: 2 months The studio couldn't even get funding which is why Guillermo del Toro left after several months being delayed. So basically in the end, the film could have never been made, or made but was junk.
@Dman9fp
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not trying to defend the hobbit trilogy (something that still doesn't roll off the tongue well) but they were starting from scratch with LOTR. Sure there were the books, huge undertaking to make them into films (even most of the Tolkein estate still hates them), it's so easy for us to say "LOTR is great, hobbit sucks" which maybe true end-result wise, but yeah if Peter Jackson didn't have to go through all that again to make a pretty penny, why would he? I've heard some of the briefest cuts in LOTR took like 50-70 takes before they got it right. Hell Viggo broke his foot while trying to get a good enough take in the hobbit chase/kicking the helmet sequence from so many takes! Let alone all the planning from reading the book to filming it/ deciding what was to be cut, must've been a nightmare- even the DVDs with all the deleted scenes make it feel almost like different films. Masterpieces like that just take a tremendous toll on nearly everyone involved, and even then doesn't always guarantee success/ not everyone is going to love it too
@Tasorius
5 жыл бұрын
So studios need to learn that art shouldn't be rushed...
@Reippa
5 жыл бұрын
I love hobbit films.
@ludovicobiamonti7276
4 жыл бұрын
Actually LOTR took Peter 8 years of shooting, they shoot the 3 movies all together.
@emilymclean4993
4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed “The Hobbit” because I tried not to view it in comparison to “Lord of the Rings” and even the book itself. I viewed it as a separate creation with a slightly different story and admired the creativity infused into it by PJ. Even so, the technical aspects of the trilogy really bothered me. If he would’ve filmed it in “film,” I think that more people would’ve enjoyed it.
@Yippiia
4 жыл бұрын
The hobbit is the one that got me into the lord of the rings and I will always love both series.
@Jannesverige
4 жыл бұрын
Im happy that you watched it in that order! Then you went from something good to something awsome, But I can imagine you went from awsome to more awsome. Cuz without LOTR in your bagage, Hobbit must felt the best.
@Brave_Aviator
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jannesverige that’s how I felt too since I watched hobbit before lotr but read the books before. I thought the 3rd hobbit movies just wasn’t that great thanks cgi and all that unnecessary shit. But elsewhere I like it
@TimurQuinton442
Жыл бұрын
READ THE MF BOOKS!
@kalsikherensk8440
6 жыл бұрын
I think had WB not been greedy, and given Peter Jackson the extra year he asked for when Del Toro left to make changes he needed, the movies could have been better under him. The lack of proper scripting required him to make the 3rd film, whereas having an extra year or pre-production could have helped the writing process. The Hobbit would have worked much better as 2 movies, even in the linear format. Hell, Jackson himself said the original plan was for the first movie to end with Bard meeting them after the barrels sequence, and Gandalf being captured/or entering Dol Guldur. If we cut out the parts from the 3 films that weren't needed/were excessive due to lack of proper planning, you could still end up with two films, albeit each touching the 3 hour mark rather than 2.5 hours each on average. I could easily see the death of Smaug being the halfway mark of movie 2, and by doing away with the silly chase in the mountain, you could keep it truer to the book with the Dwarves running to hide as they do when Thorin enters as in Desolation, but then Smaug decides right then to go after Laketown after forcing them to hide deep in the bowels of the mountain, saying they have nowhere to go now, so Laketown can fall long before they have a chance to escape.
@hanburgundy4317
6 жыл бұрын
Too much was changed from the source material; I doubt you could scavenge enough footage for a true-to-the-book version. I've heard of fan edits but cannot find them on the internet for free, so I'm stuck with these abominations.
@george7783
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed, they also started filming around the time when Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 was about to hit theaters, so WB was about to lose their biggest moneymaker and were desperate to find something to fill the void.
@Opinwood
6 жыл бұрын
Hans -- watch JRR Tolkien's Hobbit. It's a fan edit that makes rthe trilogy 1 movie. It's WONDERFUL. The magic is back. Trust me on this. Google JRR Tolkien's Hobbit Edit, click on downloads, and there you go. I'd link it to you if I could but YT isn't letting me.
@rob879
6 жыл бұрын
Conrad of Montferrat - thank you for the suggestion. I haven't seen the Hobbit trilogy and I don't intend on doing it either, but I'm definitely going to check out this edit you've suggested.
@XBlueM0ndayX
6 жыл бұрын
WB probably wasn't being greedy when they refused to give him more pre-production time. The reality of scheduling conflicts for a movie that has already been delayed considerably probably meant it was now or never. I place most of the blame on Peter Jackson. Del Toro had plenty of pre-production time, and I don't get the impression that Jackson tried very hard to make that version of the movie. Del Toro said he was ready to film; so how come Peter Jackson was making up entire sections of the movie as he went? It was also under his leadership that they went with 48 frames per second, filming in 3D and making it 3 films instead of 2. What's even worse is that the plot is so bloated and "grand", something you'd think you might try to avoid when you've had no time to prepare for filming.
@evdokmv
6 жыл бұрын
First one was good, others were like 2 hour long cgi cutscene from a video game.
@popcornmaster1419
6 жыл бұрын
+Paul Olsen People like you are never satisfied with anything. You just want more and more. How about you enjoy something ONCE in your life?
@Ihavetruth22
6 жыл бұрын
Kinda. Still excellent. Liked it better than Lord.
@ChillingWithEnman
5 жыл бұрын
The first one had its moments but it feels way too stretched out
@voldy3565
5 жыл бұрын
You know, a lot of effort went into those movies. If you're so smart, you try making a better movie.
@lordchameleon2650
5 жыл бұрын
Hobbit 2 was like ok when i watched it first time in theaters then, the second time i watched it, it was like a torture. I fell asleep.. But i can watch any lotr any time.
@drstrangelove4925
5 жыл бұрын
Two months prep time+studio interference+del toro leaving=you know
@dracopticon7788
5 жыл бұрын
The Hobbit walked the path of The Matrix: the first film was great and laid the only tone for the story everyone really needed, the two following was just chaff made as a lack-luster fill for the pillows of nothingness.
@GP71_OO
7 жыл бұрын
I like the hobbit but I understand why some people dont
@jimhaug5292
7 жыл бұрын
same here!
@bobsacamento7879
4 жыл бұрын
Polar Express 7 it’s called a difference of opinion
@KimHaskell
6 жыл бұрын
I'd not vilify Peter Jackson- a man who had to step in and direct something that wasn't his vision. He had to adapt to a different director's work at the last minute. The movie was plagued with reshoots as Peter grasped at taking a movie who's direction was nebulous at best and steer it towards something understandable. The addition of the 3rd movie was, by his own admission just to give him more time to work out what they were doing. In the end, this is not Peter Jackson's trilogy, but rather an attempt to save a sinking ship by one versatile director. He did the best he could last minute, and I would have loved to see this trilogy with him in the director's chair from the start
@MerchantIvoryfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry but nothing in your video reveals what really went wrong: After Return of the king came out, Peter Jackson (PJ) sued New Line Cinema because they were withholding money from his contract. The head of New Line publicly said, New Line would NEVER hire PJ again for any future projects. Guillermo del Toro was offered to direct the Hobbit Trilogy and had a couple of years prep, with pre production finished and the production ready to shoot, the project could not get the green light from the studio, the funds were not there. After many months of waiting Del Toro left to continue other obligations. New Line in a panic, begged PJ to take the helm as he was the only director capable of taking this project on such short notice. PJ only had weeks to prep (He had 4 years for LOTR) Not only did he have weeks but the Hobbt's screenplay, production, designs, none of this was his. He didn't care for some of the directions Toro went but with only weeks left before shooting began PJ said "I used Del Toro's vision, not mine own" The Hobbit was plagued with production problems, most being incomplete shot list. PJ admitted in the Behind the scenes DVD he would send his crew on extended lunch breaks while he broke down just trying to come up with the next shot. The pressure and deadlines along with lack of Prep PJ was allowed, killed the hobbits characters and story. In the end the real reason it was such a different film was because of money, plain and simple. Because Del Toro left the production, PJ was the ONLY hope and did his best to salvage the project. While he never publicly admits it, a vast majority of fans who followed the production know he feels bad that this film wasn't up to the caliber he held so high for LOTR, and it was simple because of money and time that didn't allow him to make the film he wanted. Don't blame, PJ, the crew, cast, or writters, it was the studios, more importantly New Line, for being greedy which started this disaster and had New Line gone to PJ first, we would have had a much different and amazing Hobbit film.
@dontkilltheplanet
3 жыл бұрын
:(
@fbnflaviusbroadcastingnetw6786
3 жыл бұрын
Merchant Ivory I blame the studio and other two parties involved in FIRING Del Torro and for pressuring PJ to make this filth of a movie or to watch the Hobbit production moved entirely out of NZ if he didn’t bow to their “vision” for the movie! Del Torro’s vision was right, and should have been done! Del Torro and Jackson should have told the studio to back off and pay up and shut it, or should have told the studio (and the others) to go fuck themselves, and go look for funds elsewhere.
@MerchantIvoryfilms
3 жыл бұрын
@@fbnflaviusbroadcastingnetw6786 They didn't fire Del Torro, and they didn't pressure PJ, they asked for his help. Your making up a story that didn't happen. Get your facts straight.
@talleman1
3 жыл бұрын
The movies just needed to be recut. Leave out the Non Hobbit fluff. I think others have done this already.
@Mr.Verethron
4 жыл бұрын
Hobbit is a lighter book than Lotr... it was supposed to be a lighter movie.
@josephiajanke9850
2 жыл бұрын
Tolkien decided to change it Blame him
@stickynotestudios7686
6 жыл бұрын
I asked Peter Jackson for one Hobbit movie, and he gave me three
@nelsonschell
6 жыл бұрын
Sad refference. But i like it.
@JustinNathanielAdams
6 жыл бұрын
Ha good one :)
@hanburgundy4317
6 жыл бұрын
The quality of your movies is somewhat lessened, of late, Peter Jackson Director!
@Opinwood
6 жыл бұрын
Needs thousands of upvotes. Why am I the first one?! lol
@zillauniverse7208
6 жыл бұрын
Jedi Jay two would've been better
@sliske9457
6 жыл бұрын
1st Movie: Good/Nostalgic 2nd Movie: Meh 3rd Movie: wtf? Imo it should have been two movies, it felt too forced. But when it comes down to it they weren't THAAAAT awful. Great essay! 👍👍👍👍👍
@Toyon95
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed... Only the first one is ok.
@CathieSoli
6 жыл бұрын
No they were horrible.
@JohannesWiberg
6 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I thought the first one was boring, drawn out, filled with stupid dwarfs-are-gross humor, and of course, ham and sap. Now, the ham and sap is my big big beef with LotR too, and while I do appreciate those movies they did kinda ruin the story for me with the operatic too-much-emotion overblown-ness. I can't stand it. Now, the second movie surprised me, it wasn't as boring and lame as the first one. It had issues, and still a lot of sap, but I liked it fine. The third movie is mostly atrocious, I agree there.
@sliske9457
6 жыл бұрын
Johannes Wiberg I don't disagree that the first was long and drawn out. However the dwarves acting as they did was true to the book
@JohannesWiberg
6 жыл бұрын
Sliske sure but it wasn't the main point of the first third of the book. And, of course, this is the issue when a pretty short book gets turned into three overlong movies - even a cute-but-kinda-cringey part (one of the most children's book-y parts) gets padded out and squeezed for every drop. Oh, and also, of course, Thorin is gonna be a not-really-a-dwarf-but-a-good-looking-normal-guy. Because that makes sense.
@IndyCrewInNYC
5 жыл бұрын
Felt so bad for Guillermo del Toro. He was so excited and had so many wonderful ideas but the legal crap ruined it. Jackson only had a fraction of time to prepare compared to LOTR. He also clearly was not as enthused as the previous trilogy. What a wasted opprtunity. They had the story and the amazing cast and...so much mediocrity, especially with a subpar villain like Azog and that whole dwarf/elf romance which was so unnecessary. That and stretching a single book into 3 movies was a huge mistake. I still have the theatre and extended editions becsuse I'm such a Tolkien nerd but it will be years before I even think of watching them again, whereas I can watch the entire LOTR trilogy every year, no problem.
@RawandCookedVegan
5 жыл бұрын
del Toro would have made it too dark. If Jackson could simply have followed book it would have been great. They should have looked at it as a different project than LOTR. The feel in The Hobbit is entirely different than that in LOTR.
@Via_The_Void
5 жыл бұрын
The difference between The Hobbit & The Lord of the Rings is that Lord of the Rings is an epic story but the story of The Hobbit is not.
@djkoz78
4 жыл бұрын
Had to hit those we need whamen quotas.
@elisag3594
4 жыл бұрын
7:45 Tolkien does explain this. When others are slowly plunging themselves through the snow in lotr, Tolkien confirms turnsTiles is easily able to weightlessly walk on the snow
@FinrodFelagund5
4 жыл бұрын
Don't bring Tolkien into this silliness, as he had anything to do with it. "Light-footed" is not the same as anti-gravity.
@elisag3594
4 жыл бұрын
@@FinrodFelagund5 Maybe so, I'd completely forgotten about this comment I was way too passionate back then Indeed Tolkien didn't make him anti gravity, but it was a cool visual for the film, after all this is Hollywood, if that ridiculous love triangle made it through, anything can
@joseywales1439
5 жыл бұрын
Just an example of how the Hobbit went wrong... When Dain arrives at the Mountain in the books, he sends messengers who say "We are sent from Dain son of Nain, we are hastening to our kinsmen in the Mountain, since we learn that the kingdom of old is renewed. But who are you that sit in the plain as foes before defended walls?" In the movie Dain rides up and says "Good morning! How are we all? I have a wee proposition, if ye wouldn't mind giving me a few moments of your time. Would ya consider.... JUST SODDING OFF! ALL OF YOU!" It's just dumbass things like this that prevent me from taking the Hobbit movies seriously. They're good compared to other movies, but not compared to the Hobbit (book) and the Lord of the Rings (movies and books).
@ksol1460tv
5 жыл бұрын
Yes. This is TOLKIEN. Language and style were everything. Without those, it's not Tolkien, it's just generic fantasy glop.
@chrisbusenkell
5 жыл бұрын
Hear! Hear! I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, in this time, our digital age has ushered in a new style of ignorance and I believe its born of a growing population of people who are averse to reading books. As soon as kids can read and write, they graduate to a practice of reading off screens and typing on keyboards. Writing on paper and reading books gives people an appreciation, an intimacy with language and the hidden beauty within it. You think masterpieces like these would ever have been written if Tolkien grew up pushing buttons and communicating with expressions like this: c u soon! thx, ttyl! lol! I seriously doubt it.
@Tasorius
5 жыл бұрын
Separate books from movies based on books, and watch them as their own thing, and they become much more watchable.
@jonnyshanon2103
5 жыл бұрын
There was also no suspense or sense of danger for the Dwarves. Falls through jagged rock caves made them seem more like Wile E Coyote from Looney Tunes.
@Tasorius
4 жыл бұрын
I hated the troll scene.
@cliffedward
6 жыл бұрын
I think Sir Ian McKellen said it all when he told PJ that he did not spend his life studying his craft to act to a green screen. I'm a Kiwi and I can tell you, they were not happy times when it came to the making of "The Hobbit". First the studios were threatening to make the movie in the UK, which forced the Government to give them a tax break. This did not sit well with the tax paying public of New Zealand. Then we had the local actors protesting about fair representation in the casting of the movies. All this must have dampened PJ enthusiasm for the project.I know he is very anti union and this may be why LOTR was different, no Union interference. Now we have Amazon's LOTR looming on the horizon. Contrary to what he stated PJ is now on board with this production. Interesting times
@kiwijedi6442
5 жыл бұрын
I honestly enjoyed the hobbit I just hope that they dont screw up the lotr series.
@Patrick-vh5nr
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful points. I am quite uneducated in film and so I found your comments fascinating. I love Tolkien and loved watching the lotr movies. I was also very excited to see the hobbit movies. About half way through the first Hobbit film I new that that was it for me. I never watched the 2nd or 3rd and if it comes on TV I avoid them. Now I understand my own very strong gut reaction a to these films a little better. What a shame.
@abbynau
5 жыл бұрын
I watched about an hour of the first hobbit when it first came on tv and was super pumped for it. I turned it off and havent tried watching the rest or any of them since. The movie didn't give me an urgent need to see them. I might try and force myself to watch them now but The Hobbit movie lacked a feeling that I can not explain that I had while watching the LotR movies. It didnt feel real. I couldnt get on board with it. I couldn't withhold disbelief because all I saw was how fake it appeared and kept pointing out things in my head that looked and felt wrong. I will give them another chance now that its been a few years since I watched LotR so I hopefully dont try and compare everything to the other movies
@ksol1460tv
5 жыл бұрын
If anyone would like more details about what @cliffedward is talking about all these points are discussed in Lindsey Ellis' Hobbit analyses on youtube and believe me you need to see this, especially about the tax laws.
@Via_The_Void
5 жыл бұрын
@@Patrick-vh5nr I wasn't fussed on the theatrical films either, the extended cuts are a little better but the epicness of Lord of the Rings just isn't there! I have the extended cuts on DVD & I watched it once! I much prefer my blu-ray of the extended cuts of Lord of the Rings, it's a far better movie.
@katlinn5710
5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with everything youre saying but I also believe that in the very ending how the different camera did change the look of Bag End because we are back to Bilbo’s story- cause the story does derail a lot as you said- but I think Bag End looks physically different to us because is does look different to Bilbo who is a completely changed Hobbit. Bag End was once his only home and safe place and security and he could never imagine himself actually leaving it, until he does, and ultimately when he returns he feels out of place because of everything he’s been through. That’s why in LoTR he ends up leaving because he’s accepted that he is not the same hobbit anymore and that he misses the mountains. Even Frodo after his journey wasn’t the same after that and returning home only to finish his book like his uncle, and then having to leave because they cannot go back to the people they were before. Like soldiers who suffer from ptsd, they cannot cope in an environment that is no longer hostile, where there is no excitement or adventures to be had.
@blackwatch65
5 жыл бұрын
Nailed it! The Hobbit was “off” and the added characters made it a completely different story
@johninglis2622
5 жыл бұрын
It was good but not great: the studio needed to give Jackson time and money to make the films
@DaroriDerEinzige
5 жыл бұрын
@@semifast2 Only if you never read a Book from Tolkien. If you've then the Movies are just like if I would make a Hamburger but only in the form of a Hotdog, in boiled water cooked, without bread, no Onions, and instead Mustard I would use Peanut Butter.
@Tasorius
5 жыл бұрын
@@DaroriDerEinzige People make the mistake of not being able to separate books from movies based on them way too often...
@DaroriDerEinzige
5 жыл бұрын
@@Tasorius Well, uhm, I wouldn't say it's a mistake. If an Artist wants to make his own stuff, he shouldn't give it a well known and well loved name only for the sake of lulz. Sorry, but if you would write something for an example, and I would come along and make something complete different out of it - But put your name under it, so it sells ... Well, you would not be happy about the whole thing. You liked the movies? Cool. I bet, if he would've made his own Fantasy Stuff in which he implemented a few of Tolkiens Ideas we both would like it. But to butcher the Story and to ruin the Chance of a other Director to make a "real" Hobbit Movie is nothing I can stand behind. But, yeah, whatever rubs your back. I mean, maybe I will make a Movie adaptation of Beserk only without Swords.
@Tasorius
5 жыл бұрын
@@DaroriDerEinzige By deciding that movies based on books have to follow the books completely and do nothing different, you are taking away your ability to enjoy them for what they are. Movies based on books that are not trying to be the books.
@DaroriDerEinzige
5 жыл бұрын
@@Tasorius I didn't say they have too strictly following the books. But completly changed things are highly ... questionable. I mean, three 2h+ Movies in which a lot of the stuff from the books are simply not there but a lot more stuff is added (Characters, Situations, Creatures which made the whole Point of Castles ... well ... pointless, I mean the Orc could have just simple digging inside Mountain with these Monster Worms. oO And Sauron would've never needed Gorm.) only to fill three 2h+ Movies - You can't say that this isn't ridicoulus. As I said, if he would've done his own thing - Nobody would hold this against him. It is logicial that sometimes Movies have to cut Stuff out from the Books. But Hobbit was the pinnacle of milking the Cash-Cow.
@PassiveSmoking
6 жыл бұрын
Where they went wrong? They tried to make the story a high fantasy epic when the actual story basically boils down to Oceans Eleven with little hairy people. Also there isn't nearly enough source material to fill out an epic trilogy
@DoctorXander
6 жыл бұрын
And it's a children's story
@Whovian1029
6 жыл бұрын
There didn't NEED to be enough material to fill out an epic trilogy because The Hobbit ISN'T an epic trilogy. It should've been one or MAYBE two movies and it should've been a lot more down to earth and less epic.
@Slaggedfire
6 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Hobbit is made for an animated Adventure, not a live action trilogy.
@SwiggleMcJiggle
6 жыл бұрын
PassiveSmoking It's basically what a friend and I already said after walking out of the first one. We were still kind of dumbfounded, because the last thing we expected was walking out of the theatre and asking ourselves if we even liked what we saw. There were so many moments which were basically "ripped" from LotR, that the Hobbit itself never had a chance to be its own thing, which it should have been. We didn't need the massive tie ins to LotR, we didn't need tons of scenes resembling other scenes from LotR, we didn't need this story to be as epic as LotR and we sure as hell didn't need three movies of it. The Hobbit movies don't suck, there are definitely great moments in each part, but it still saddens me when I think about how much better they could've been.
@petrikokko1441
5 жыл бұрын
There is 1, possibly a 2 part, high epic in the original story.
@rgandmjroberts8344
5 жыл бұрын
totally agree. Too much CGI. And those night scenes ...ahahahaha as a photographer, it was painful to watch. Overpowered and too hard. Needed softer light. You were spot on !
@josephiajanke9850
2 жыл бұрын
"The Lord of the Rings had NO cgi!!!!"
@Peleski
4 жыл бұрын
I think when they played the ringwraith music during a Thorin-orc fight scene, you knew it was a mess.
@kathrynrose5631
4 жыл бұрын
yes! I noticed that the last time I watched it and I was so annoyed because why did they use that music there?
@Cle47
5 жыл бұрын
Accurate. This was my favorite childhood novel and I never even watched the second or third movies because the first was so dreadfully done
@katharinew4218
6 жыл бұрын
Sometimes when a film has a bigger budget...it's worse
@James-sk4db
6 жыл бұрын
*cough* last jedi *cough*
@thomascasata3558
5 жыл бұрын
Katharine W Star Wars Ep8
@eliasfigueroa3324
5 жыл бұрын
I feel its because the studio gives them more money to do what the studio’s agenda/wishes are instead of letting the director have more creative power and allowing the director to succeed or fail due to their own vision.
@brunskies92
5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes? Unfortunately it's most of the time. Money does not = Superior Product. It just means more CGI, which is, to be honest, generally the lazy way to do things regardless of its high expenses. You know what's not easy? Having all your Orcs, Uruk-Hais and extras be REAL people, like the LOTR trilogy.
@neiluk78
5 жыл бұрын
Looks like Amazon is going to fuck LOTR, like Disney did to Star Wars www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jennifer-salke-details-amazon-plans-broad-hits-lord-rings-1118921
@gelf6303
5 жыл бұрын
middle earth is a huge world with stories, settings, and characters outside of the scope of LOTR which peter jackson's "the hobbit" failed to realized.
@klaus5034
4 жыл бұрын
This year i decided to re-watch the hobbit after the first and only time i saw it, and if may i share my opinion, i realise that if i made an edit of the movies, just deleting scenes (tauriel,some long battles scenes, etc) it would be 90%fixed
@mikeymcdoable
6 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said however another key factor with the Hobbit's shortcomings was pressure from Warner Brothers. I believe it was their Idea for the Taurial and Kili romance. They also did not allow Jackson more time to work on the 3rd movie due to Del Toro leaving. Overall I liked the Hobbit, its heart was in the right place most of the time and it stood out to me from the passionless films we're currently getting. Del Toro's vision sounded much better though.
@deamongimli
6 жыл бұрын
If I compare the Hobbit films to the last jedi, then the first two Hobbit films are leagues better, with the last being slightly better, (though that may well be due to my personal gripes with the plot and characters of TLJ)
@atomicdancer
6 жыл бұрын
Faced with a writing/directing task he didn't enjoy, Peter Jackson fell back onto an old crutch - his fondness for over-the-top action and CGI - to get him through. I don't think he was too interested in including a sappy love story as well. I suspect his female writing partners were more to blame for adding Tauriel and her romance with Kili to the mix, and Jackson just went along with it.
@deamongimli
6 жыл бұрын
They definitely wanted to add Tauriel because in their words the Hobbit was "a sausage party" and they wanted a few more female characters. As far as I am aware however once they added Tauriel the studio execs were like "make that shit a love triangle! People love love triangles!" and so it was. If you don't believe me then think of it this way, they wanted to add a strong female character to the mix so that there was a bit more female representation blah blah blah - if this was their logic, why make her major plot role to be the love interest of one of the dwarves? I do not think they were massively opposed to the romance as Fran I believed said they make a "cute couple" or some shit, but I do not think that it was originally a part of Tauriels character. On a funny note, in the appendices of the extended editions the lore people who help them write ect are there when they are talking about the inclusion of Legolas and Tauriel, but the moment the Fili-Tauriel romance is brought up they disappear which is hilarious and says a lot.
@jenniferannjolie2555
6 жыл бұрын
Mikey McDonagh I thought it was New Line Cinema
@jamesfitzgerald1684
5 жыл бұрын
@@deamongimli I did not even think about the representation thing. It would have been a sausage party, but there is nothing wrong with that.
@charlottemclean6130
6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. I prefer the hobbits book to the Lord of the rings and was so disappointed by the first movie that I didn't watch the other two. What made it so excruciating was the points where it gets the hobbit right and then immediately veers off into irrelevant LOTR background stuff so you get the sense that somewhere in there is a great faithful rendering of the hobbit that has been ruined by unnecessary epicness forced upon it by the success of the LOTR trilogy.
@atheathorium
6 жыл бұрын
Apparently, someone recut The Hobbit to more closely align with the book. tolkieneditor.wordpress.com/
@DrMcFly28
6 жыл бұрын
You can cut a lot of stuff out, but you cannot put the atmosphere and magic back in if they never were there in the first place..
@Opinwood
6 жыл бұрын
As thousands of others have discovered, the magic exists. JRR Tolkien's Fan Edit. Google it. Download it. Enjoy.
@josephiajanke9850
2 жыл бұрын
Tolkien decided to add things to The Hobbit from The Lord of the Rings
@jovan9989
4 жыл бұрын
It's simple, you cant make 3 movies with duration of around 3 hours for each one from one book that can be read in half of a day. Couple of actors even said that Peter didn't know how scenes would play out so they had pauses often so he could have time to think what to film next.
@RobertJadeBen
5 жыл бұрын
I didn't know the Hobbit went wrong, it was pretty good.
@98Dreadboy
5 жыл бұрын
Really? The hobbit was hated by so many people, how did you miss this?
@imcarolean
4 жыл бұрын
First one was great, the other two not so much
@GreatCornDev
4 жыл бұрын
The first movie kinda sucked. The second was a lot better and the third one was pretty good. However, it's only my opinion.
@NightingaleAlt
6 жыл бұрын
In the book when Bilbo enters the mountain and talks to Smaug, the entire thing consists of him walking down a tunnel and hiding at the edge of it while the dragon smells him and they say a couple lines back and forth. Not quite the incredible climax moment ... but better than the 30 minute sequence of dwarves scrambling to light forges with the dragon conveniently giving them his fire so they can melt him with gold. Bloated through and through.
@chasm671
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a pretty good video game, actually.
@LordIvor6
5 жыл бұрын
The thing is, the entirety of it was just...pointless, in the books everything led to something, Bilbo hid and used his wits when found out, because that is all he had, the movie the characters show no true humanity that makes a character come to life, no real fear, no true concerns (it's the little things, the very tiny things that we often overlook that feed into the atmosphere of an adventure). Trouble is the movies weren't an adventure, it was a chaotic rollercoaster ride that left you sick and tired by the end. I tried so damn hard to find something to like about the movies, I've watched atrocious and boring movies in the cinemas before, but never ever have I had to fight to keep my eyes open (which I failed n fell asleep).
@djjohnson8657
5 жыл бұрын
That was to set up Thorin as the real hero of the story. Jackson wanted a "battling, fighting" hero. The 3rd film was weird. A film called The Hobbit where the hobbit was a secondary character.
@neontime8507
5 жыл бұрын
When you realize how little time Jackson had once Del Toro left, it’s amazing the movies were as good as they were.
@doro4158
4 жыл бұрын
I understand your points 100% but still. I just love the hobbit films as much as lotr and l love everything about it sm
@SICKYPOPP
4 жыл бұрын
yeah and thats it...its not necessary to strip down a movie to its bone, just to find mistakes. they happen and the movie can still be great
@BossGaming-vg6zh
3 жыл бұрын
I love this trilogy no matter how much people hate it
@miraggg
3 жыл бұрын
I suppose for people who didn't read the book this is a valid opinon
@Joon
2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad you mentioned the lighting. That is what really stood out to me when I watched the movies but I have not seen anyone else mention it. :)
@drac3650
6 жыл бұрын
Also, Saruman's betrayal was supposed to be a surprise for the super wise and inteligent Gandalf - But Saruman is so obviously already evil that it's hard to believe Gandalf wouldn't ask him what's wrong or if he needed help. That's like making Count Dooku appear in the Phantom Menace to deny Anakin of his admission into the Order just cause he's an asshole.
@thomassteele5748
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe fans should edit the Hobbit so the serviceable parts are combined together into one film.
@ender7278
6 жыл бұрын
It's already been done. Multiple times, in fact (AFAIR).
@thomassteele5748
6 жыл бұрын
After I wrote this comment I downloaded one of the fan edits. It is so much easier to watch than the original cuts.
@MariWakocha
6 жыл бұрын
Sadly, we lost the best (my opinion ofc) fan edit. I had it on my computer before it broke and it was truly amazing. The first half (roughly 1,5 h telling the story up until they enter Mirkwood) feels like watching the book. I loved it and cry that it's gone.
@atheathorium
6 жыл бұрын
Here's a link to someone who did it. tolkieneditor.wordpress.com/
@MackerelSkyLtd
6 жыл бұрын
An improvement, from what I’ve seen, but like the Star Wars Prequels, the shittiness is baked in to some degree. Every shot with Gandalf is clearly Sir Ian on a greenscreen, trying not to have a mental breakdown.
@Nnoo1987
5 жыл бұрын
this could have been a great trilogie i dont know what went wrong its just sad lord of the rings is the best
@williamthegunnut3839
4 жыл бұрын
The hobbit was my favorite movie when I was younger, I watched it over and over and over again and never got bored. Personally I don’t think the hobbit was a failure
@lilypad2827
4 жыл бұрын
ozZ _y same thought
@matt9956
4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@deadprank947
4 жыл бұрын
WilliamTheGunNut martin freeman was amazing
@InclementFilms
4 жыл бұрын
And honestly after all these years, revisiting it is so much fun. I really love The Hobbit trilogy:)
@fireiceduet
3 жыл бұрын
As much as I loved the movies, I can still acknowledge their shortcoming and the criticisms are correct. I’m personally amazed at how they still turned out to be great under so much disaster. It just could have been so much better though.
@tabletopcars3110
5 жыл бұрын
I have read The Hobbit 6 times and I love Peter's movies. The sad song of the dwarves, Billy Conolly as Dain Ironfoot, Tragic Thorin, Kili & Tauriel, the goblin King, Smaug, Radical Comical Radagast, Saruman the White. I love it all. It feels as living breathing Middle Earth to me. Slightly altered but in such a sweet way.
@wholesomehoorpari1971
5 жыл бұрын
Indeed and they say it is int great
@Tasorius
5 жыл бұрын
I liked the parts with Thranduil as well.
@ThatKiwiDudeTV
5 жыл бұрын
Take it from someone who worked on set, Pete did not have the same passion for the project like he did for rings. That 3rd movie was a huge mistake. Set builders also got screwed out of money on that 3rd movie.
@GravesRWFiA
5 жыл бұрын
it should have been done in 2 movies without the added bits in laketown and the huge battle
@umer5830
5 жыл бұрын
@@GravesRWFiA you worked on set. tell me how it was like please.
@brandonsavitski
4 жыл бұрын
He probably didn't have the same passion because he didn't get to eat donuts every morning and binge on fried fattening foods like he did on LORT and stuff his face He was a better director when he was fat disheveled looking slob.
The studio decided to turn it into 3 movies, all atleast 2 hours to make money. PJ was still planning to do a duology until just before the first movie came out
@HassanAli-lf2ns
4 жыл бұрын
I loved your take on this :)!
@christopherkraemer4023
6 жыл бұрын
I loved these movies (possibly because of my nostalgia goggles for lotr), and i disagree with you on most things EXCEPT the cgi. The cgi was what really threw it off for me. It just didn't feel real. I know that, of course, cgi isn't real, but in lord of the rings, they make it work. In some scenes if you pause it, its hard to tell of its actually cgi. But in the hobbit, they didn't make an effort to make it look real. When the elves and the dwarves are facing off, you look at the elves faces and you see that they're cgi! Even in the front rows! Is it really that hard to get some extras or do some makeup?
@EnDSchultz1
6 жыл бұрын
Indeed. CGI is a tool, and like all tools, it has its place. However, it is so powerful a tool, and so overused, that it ends up totally divorced from reality. All the CGI scenes of dwarves bouncing off walls and tumbling off cliffs and then getting up just find afterwards utterly destroyed any credibility or suspension of disbelief. CG works not when it is used as the end-all solution, but when it complements and supports other special effects in the areas where they would otherwise fall short. LOTR is an example of this. Another legendary example would be something like Jurassic Park. It turned out that the practical option, stop motion, would have been woefully inadequate for the wide angle dinosaur shots. So they used CGI instead to breathtaking effect.
@gunnargrautnes4451
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, particularly disappointing for the orcs. In LOTR, the orcs where absolutely menacing. In the Hobbit, they look (and move) like they are made of rubber.
@Ihavetruth22
6 жыл бұрын
Me too. Well said. The Dwarf king on the hog was odd.
@Gauthierbrad27
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ihavetruth22 I heard with the Dwarf King on the hog, the actor has Parkinsons Disease and they really tried to make it work with him, but they ended up having to CGI render him after he was unable to perform the role on-site without his disease being apparent... The CHI was awful on his character though, totally took me out of the movie.
@Ihavetruth22
5 жыл бұрын
@@Gauthierbrad27 thanks. forgot.
@m.a.hinkle8028
6 жыл бұрын
Every time someone mentions the GTD Hobbit films, I ugly cry at what could have been. Actually, I ugly cry about everything about these movies. So much wasted potential, especially since all the casting is really great. I think you really nailed it with this video.
@MariWakocha
6 жыл бұрын
Hearing what a different take he was going for makes me even sadder. It's a lost masterpiece.
@MariWakocha
6 жыл бұрын
Well, yes it sounds strange indeed, so I wonder what they were actually going for. I understand Jacksons decision to change it to a more linear story. I think it would've given us a solid first part and a very interesting second though, so I'm still a bit bummed that they didn't stick to that. There were talk about including stuff about Frodo's parents and stuff too though, so I guess that was also gonna be in the second part.
@MariWakocha
6 жыл бұрын
I'd guess that maybe the first part would've had Bilbo as the lead character, while the second one would've jump between different. Perhaps not the best idea to please the general audience, but a bold move and probably something the hard core fans would've liked. The movie versions of the people who read all the lore, knows the prologues by heart and speak fluent elvish~
@MariWakocha
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think so too. I think he thought that if the Hobbit movies were shorter the audience would feel tricked. But it's a shame. I don't know what that second movie was supposed to be, but if Bilbo's story was completed in the first movie I could've seen the scene with Frodo's parents happen. In that case I think that would've been one movie telling the story about Bilbo's adventure, and one bridging it to LOTR. It would be awesome if they released the early scripts for them in the future. I'd love to see what their vision for it was.
@erik95056
6 жыл бұрын
Scott Miller Yes the original idea sounds strange. I would suggest having the first half being Gandalf's and then when Gandalf leaves its Bilbo's story.
@Tasorius
5 жыл бұрын
I never understand people who have to "suspend their [perpetual] disbelief"...
@matthewarant377
5 жыл бұрын
I think you absolutely hit the nail on the head. I think this was all compounded by a rushed schedule..
@colincox4697
5 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I couldn't describe why the lighting and cameras looked so clear and why I didn't like it. Thank you for the explanation.
@Tadicuslegion78
5 жыл бұрын
1. Having almost no prep time compared to the almost 3 years Peter Jackson and co had to flesh out a whole heck of a lot before a single second of film was shot. 2. Shoving aside the Dwarves in favor of Legolas and non-book characters. So a chance to get to learn and care about the other dwarves coming with Thorin. 3. Shoving aside the Hobbit itself in favor of trying to forcing the Hobbit into the Lord of the Rings. 4. All the studio interference and shenanigans going on with Warner Bros. And MGM and everyone else. 5. OVER RELIANCE on CGI to the point it might has well been a video game Ok so I am a fan about the Hobbit movies, flaws and all. And I can appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of the three films, even if that third film is a complete mess, the extended edition at least is a completed movie.
@scienceme9794
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the extended edition of Part III actually had some of the coolest bits. To this day, I can't figure out why some of that stuff was cut.
@josephiajanke9850
2 жыл бұрын
There was no CGI in The Lord of the Rings? Tolkien changed The Hobbit from the oral story, to the short story, to the Novel, to the Novel 2nd edition and to the Novel 3rd edition right before he died Hate Tolkien "No."
@BraveGuardian
5 жыл бұрын
I also believe that changing the format changes the warmth feeling ...
@shophet125
3 жыл бұрын
I eventually found a fanedit (the Tolkein Edition) of the Hobbit that cut out a lot of the fat. Inmo the book is best adapted as one big four hour movie instead of three films. There's just not enough stuff for three movies in that novel.
@jaojao1768
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it should have focused much more on Bilbo
@ryanoat
6 жыл бұрын
the hobbit should have been what the book was... ONE PART.
@Strokwor
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, making a three hour movie about a battle that was only about 7 pages long is especially stupid.
@prodbyxanderjohan
6 жыл бұрын
^making it 3 movies is even worse
@Nemoticon
6 жыл бұрын
And left on print, in the book... not made into a movie
@relicsofold6410
6 жыл бұрын
The Hobbit films are really just glorified, multi-million dollar fan-fictions. And there's nothing wrong with that, either. Tolkien's original work isn't magically besmirched by it's existence. The answer to bad adaptions isn't no adaptions: it's more adaptions. But thanks to IP laws and rights holders and studio executives, that isn't possible for all but a handful. So we get shit.
@O5AXD
6 жыл бұрын
i think 2 filmws would be best. One focusing on getting to the mountain, second with mountain and going back
@andrewn3262
4 жыл бұрын
I was so mad that they didn’t have bilbo running around and singing as he killed the spiders
@TaiganTundra
5 жыл бұрын
The Hobbit trollogy felt like a really long game cutscene.
@villemkerge3508
5 жыл бұрын
Too much cgi is the problem
@IrishCarney
5 жыл бұрын
They could have had just as much CGI but with adequate time to prepare, with no chaos in the director's chair, and without having to have the second unit film random pointless swordplay just to get something in the can that then had to be somehow shoved in later when the script was finalized, the battle scenes would have had some coherence, story telling, and emotional involvement instead of being mindless action.
@mollyflogging8402
5 жыл бұрын
Yes! We cannot stress that enough
@ColdxeOG
5 жыл бұрын
So true, it broke my heart. Tolkien is my life and Jackson totally ruined Hobbit, it is such a pity
@sebastienmccarthy1483
5 жыл бұрын
Coldxe Blame the studios. He had two months to put it all together
@Buzzchuck204
5 жыл бұрын
… Having said that, I’m still watching LOTR regularly
@LeoSienna
5 жыл бұрын
I still enjoyed the Hobbit Trilogy a lot, not sure if any of the people criticizing could make something like that.
@pythonking16.59
4 жыл бұрын
Criticism leads to improvement. And what best criticism can a movie receive than the criticism from the people who watched and paid for it?
@DrumDevil95
5 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have said it better myself! Thank you for this video!
@georgebellamy32
7 жыл бұрын
Nice analysis 😊
@bbaerga121697
6 жыл бұрын
It was ok I blame del Toro and the studio Jackson clearly didn't want to direct these films and was fine with getting the writing credit.
@martincattell6820
6 жыл бұрын
I think you're right. It is easy to blame the director at the front but the studio in the background is pulling the strings.
@atm9266
5 жыл бұрын
yes somebody finally said the thing about too obvious cgi! whenever i say lotr feels real people don't believe me, well becase it's fantasy. But it really feels real, due to it being filmed according to the nature, light, etc laws. Hobbit is just another hollywood movie that should feel more real than reality really is.
@arminroteich2898
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like in Hobbiton nowadays. When you go on an adventure, everyone looking at you weirdli, judging you badly for doing what you want. While they just do the same day, the same thing. But you end up saving this world while no-one at home knows it or truly cares xD
@scottag3597
6 жыл бұрын
I have to clarify that I do like the Hobbit films. I'm blessed with the ability to relax and enjoy a movie for what it is without being overly critical or looking for more. However, I totally agree that the LOTR trilogy is way better! My chief complaint is the combat. In the Hobbit the enemies are CGI a lot of the time so one swing of a sword would take off the heads of 5 orcs, whereas in LOTR it was mostly stunt men in costume so it looked like our heroes were actually hitting something with their weapons. It looks better when the actors have to put in the effort when their weapons connect with a real, physical person in their scenes.
@TheSonofIapetus
6 жыл бұрын
#blessed
@harrydrake4173
6 жыл бұрын
You don't need to be "overly critical" to realise these movies suck.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
6 жыл бұрын
Overly critical? They gave the same amount of screen time to a book that was less than a third the length of the other books. And in order to chew up that much screen time they cut in things that detracted from the plot to do so. I didn't much mind most of the other bits because I was so bored by all the extras that were added in order to justify having 3 films rather than one. I do think that it might have been interesting to have one movie about Bilbo's journey and another about the other things that were going on. That could have been worth seeing.
@Darkness1984
6 жыл бұрын
The book was very badly paced and rushed as hell. Glad the movies actually took there time to develop characters and show more of the journey.
@harrydrake4173
6 жыл бұрын
You mean 'paced' not 'passed' you shitheel. And your opinion is worthless.
@kp-legacy-5477
6 жыл бұрын
The dragon scene I’d say was good The goblin caves with Gollum Learning how the ring was found was good And then even seeing it’s affects on bilbo I honestly didn’t mind the inclusion of Legolas to give us abit if backround in him But i agree that they focus shouldn’t have been taken away from bilbo so much
@bashsibda6289
5 жыл бұрын
KP-legacy-54 The dragon scene was terrible. Why would the mighty Smaug be lying under his treasure? It made me sick to my stomach and I puked.
@flo8517
4 жыл бұрын
@@bashsibda6289 Sorry for being so late but I don't quite get what you mean exactly. Do you think it is unrealistic he is under his treasure what do you wanted to say? I really just wanna understand it. In my opinion it was really good to just show us tiny bit of Smaug and then come out of the gold...😍 breathtaking. Second was my favourite
@bashsibda6289
4 жыл бұрын
Florian Zeltwanger It went against the dignity of dragons. Smaug is the very pinnacle of dragonhood. His vast treasure makes perfect sense in the setting as the collected wealth of the dwarves in their golden age. His cruelty and pride and enormous strength goes all the way back to the first dark lord Morgoth. Smuag would not lurk like some snake under his gold. He lays on top of it. To guard it. And laying on top of it is central to the story. For it was by centuries of pressing down on it that his soft underbelly became jewel encrusted and protected. And The dragon laying on top of his hoard is one of the great images of fantasy. It is a symbol of greed. Greed that cripples. For despite having wings and able to travel the world a dragon is trapped by his greed. To lay in the dark. But on top. Like a king on a throne. Not inside. Like a needle in a haystack!
@flo8517
4 жыл бұрын
@@bashsibda6289 Ok now I get what you mean. And if I remember right on one of the hobbit book covers you have exactly this image - a dragon on his gold. But I think that does not destroy the scene. I read the book after I saw the first movie and when I watched the second movie, I really liked it and didn't thought about what is so different from the book.
@bashsibda6289
4 жыл бұрын
Florian Zeltwanger As long as you enjoyed it. It is merely entertainment and you were entertained. So the movie was successful. But to those of us who believe that dragons are real, we weep for Mighty Smaug.
@ndep93
4 жыл бұрын
Over reliance on CGI, adding unnecessary things like Azog and Legolas, and stretching a 300 page book into three films are what I think of when The Hobbit films come to mind.
@wriewygs7022
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this thoughtful video. It was very well written and logical.
@paulastalas8691
6 жыл бұрын
I disagree with your conclusion.Nobody could have replaced Peter Jackson.Although the hobbit movies are not as good as LOTR I really enjoyed them.
@AlicardiPhotography
4 жыл бұрын
Leggy was jumping like a “god” because elves weigh super light so with the combination of light weight and strength he infact would move like an astronaut with little gravity.
@nathanexplosionn
4 жыл бұрын
What the fuck is leggy?
@Nicole_Auriel
4 жыл бұрын
You can only jump because the ground under your feet is pushing upwards into your leg with the same amount of force you apply to the ground. A falling object cannot push up. Legolas jumping up falling rocks is not "light gravity" its completely "anti-gravity". It's literally no different than just straight up flying.
@brandonsavitski
4 жыл бұрын
He would have definitely fell after getting blue balled by Tauriel the entire 2nd and 3rd movies.
@FinrodFelagund5
4 жыл бұрын
Just stop. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
@jakeblottenberger3699
4 жыл бұрын
This analysis is absolutely spot on. My thoughts exaaactly.
@krischan67
2 жыл бұрын
The latest point at which I knew that The Hobbit went wrong was when the dwarves started juggling Bilbo's dishes.
@misshobbity
2 жыл бұрын
lol same my heart sank at that point
@urz1931
5 жыл бұрын
I agree what you said but The Hobbit 1-3 and Lord Of The Rings 1-3 is the Best Epic Fantasy Story i ever seen.
@bodacious117
5 жыл бұрын
Jude Salaga lotr yes, but unfortunately the hobbit trilogy doesn’t even come close to one of best fantasy stories
@wholesomehoorpari1971
5 жыл бұрын
@@bodacious117 it does!!!
@bodacious117
5 жыл бұрын
Amit Abh you’re saying the hobbit trilogy is as good as lotr trilogy?
@wholesomehoorpari1971
5 жыл бұрын
@@bodacious117 i am very ashamed as a jrr tonkin fan but unfortunately I havent watched lotr Series (tho i hv reqd it) but yup i think hobbit was awesome
@bodacious117
5 жыл бұрын
Amit Abh please do yourself a favor and watch it, it’s absolutely amazing, to me it’s so much better... drop what you’re doing and binge it for 9 straight hours lol, the original Star Wars trilogy is my favorite trilogy but I have no problem admitting lotr is the best trilogy of all time from a technical and story telling aspect
@lichtkuran6189
5 жыл бұрын
I agree that the movies could have been better but I generally enjoyed them. I loved how they did the character trait for Tranduil, up until then elves were extremely elegant, respectful, and beautiful however Tranduil was truly arrogant compared to the elve Elrond and the scene where he chooses to fight instead of flee as shown in the flashback was nice. And the constant switch between being a lighthearted adventure and a bloody battle was also good, the colors shown in these scenes were very different in comparison
@Philtoid
5 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with this. Nicely done
@saulgoodman8695
4 жыл бұрын
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