As a tank main in wrath at the moment I appreciate your breakdown. 😁
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Glad i could help!
@canieuwenhuis
Жыл бұрын
during original cata. i mained a druid tank. i could solo tank it all for our raids. which gave us an extra dps the whole time.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
The difference is you went through the cycle of buffs and nerfs of each patch, in cata classic that wont happen
@kingeh1
11 ай бұрын
@@mijae1146 just because we're playing at the last patch doesn't mean there won't be changes that make things different. We saw that in WOTLK classic with buffs to feral druids and ret pallys in form of glyphs that never existed before. Same with gear pathing, the buff in ulduar gear made many of the fights significantly easier to deal with. That turned clearing ulduar on HM to be an achievable feat for pugs, and affected TOGC HC as well considering everyone started day one of TOGC having a much higher ilvl. meaning that we enter ICC with a much higher overall ilvl.
@afscrew123
9 ай бұрын
@@kingeh1they wont touch ilvls in cata tho
@Frostgnaw
Жыл бұрын
Well that's neat. I literally just started playing a cata private server last night with my friend and this video pops up. Gonna go have a look at your other videos to see if there's one for dps rankings. My wow journey started in cata, so this feels like being home once again. Can't wait to get my balance druid to 85.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
There may or may not be a dps rankings video coming out today + tommorow!
@ahetzel9054
Жыл бұрын
Ayyyeeee my man, I'm on whitemane and I'm a balance/resto druid
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Ah nice, in about 20 minutes there should be a video popping up! @@ahetzel9054
@Achonas
Жыл бұрын
I unlocked DK right as cata prepatch hit and I never looked back. I loved tanking as a B DK in cata, I got absolutely hooked when I started using it to solo content.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Yeah they do feel mentally strong!
@Achonas
Жыл бұрын
@@mijae1146 They are rediculously strong when they outgear content. I'll never forget mionelol and raegwynsolo pulling off their crazy solos. I even remember there being a level 80 dk that soloed the lich king after the first stat squish. unbalanced gear for sure, but still funny.
@vane909090
7 ай бұрын
"Thunderclap spreading with rend" would make them so good though lol.
@CubbyDubbie24
7 ай бұрын
No matter what Ima rock my prot war. Got a feeling they will address most of the issues with classes and fix them like they have for the other classic xpacks never know could buff the fuck outta warrior and they be good. One could dream
@ramones1314
10 ай бұрын
The meta is definitely BDK/feral, as theyre both stronger and the druid can output more damage than any tank as offtank, and can even just go resto/balance for 1 tank fights if you need that. Sadly, prot war and paladin were balanced around rotating cooldowns and taunting off eachother, constantly blocking boss melee hits, which just is a lot more effort than its worth. Also, prot war design kinda just doesnt make sense in cata. you're at your best blocking and crit blocking melees against a ton of mobs, which doesnt happen on like any boss, and you get more rage from taking damage which means more dps and higher threat, but you build defensively and neglect that function. also, shockwave and concussive blow straight up dont work against bosses, so having stuns isnt useful. they'll be fine in 25m cuz its easy and so many healers to pump healing and cooldowns into you, but they really suck in 10m.
@Goldeneye3336
3 ай бұрын
Nah. Prot Warr is best tank for speedrun. Also higher dps offtank vs feral rn
@ramones1314
3 ай бұрын
@@Goldeneye3336 proof?
@Goldeneye3336
3 ай бұрын
@@ramones1314 look kill time already. If you are proof then you no use logs. If no use logs then you bad player. Ez noob ja ja ja
@ramones1314
3 ай бұрын
@@Goldeneye3336 full autism ok
@FilthyGreen
4 ай бұрын
The best Tank is the one that shows up to Raid. Praise be.
@PaulSman123
Жыл бұрын
Blood DK can self heal SOOO much in Cata
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Its pretty crazy - Our Blood DK MT heals more than healers on a good few fights
@IMZAMORAK
11 ай бұрын
im not gonna do it but it will be fun to see someone try to make prot warrior good. it always happens, someone says something is bad and someone tries to make it good. i enjoy watching that process
@mijae1146
11 ай бұрын
Im about 70% sure you could make a prot warrior work in a raid enviroment without it being to meme. It would just take someone to minmax the hell out of avoidance and CD usage
@Mediiiicc
7 ай бұрын
Warrior can tank everything in cata, the only issue is it puts more pressure on healers. There isnt a healing comp that cant deal with that, they just dont want to.
@brimstonevalar6053
5 ай бұрын
@@mijae1146I did tank most of the normal raids in Cata but for heroics it becomes very hard compared to bdk or feral
@kaparskii
2 ай бұрын
Playing prot warr just reveals how bad dps and healers are in ur raid.
@ErwinLiao
10 ай бұрын
great video it was a good video to get an insight on the tanks in cata
@mijae1146
10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Huckle777
8 ай бұрын
I like your vids alot, very helpful, ty
@jinxycat5495
6 ай бұрын
Warriors really do get the short end of the stick in cata as every spec they have is either near the bottom or barely mid. They aren't particularly strong in pvp either as Rogues, and unholy DK outshine them.
@user-rq4wh4nm4q
10 ай бұрын
Can u make detailed guide for bdk, love ur content, im currently learning bdk, bud i find hard to keep AOE agrro
@naejimba
Жыл бұрын
Good overview! One point to mention is even though there is a power gap, especially early on, it should be possible to pick whichever tank you want and clear content. When we had a Warrior main tank we paired it with a Disc Priest which is pretty busted this xpac; the absorbs and Pain Suppression as an extra CD really shore up the weaknesses imo.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Of course, this video is more meant for the people that like to play the “optimal” class. We did firelands last night and i saw the difference between a BDK MT and a prot war MT, in both bosses died but the prot war took significantly more healing
@jamesslack7332
Жыл бұрын
That's good to know as I have been maining a Prot Pally tank and just took on most MTing in our guild. Like all good tanks I have the other classes as alts so I'll be able to switch if needed. I've really enjoyed prot pally but the changes do seem quite large for Cata so I might need to review and find what I like. I would say that I remember being told that there would never be a space for Ele shams in wrath raids and I found that the majority of PUGs and guilds don't mind so I guess this sort of thing is for the bleeding edge people.
@dwarfminerwillie
9 ай бұрын
True but the thing is with min maxing culture 90% of people will turn you away if your not in the optimal spec sadly.
@HateMeCauseIMFat
Жыл бұрын
I would say you cant play prot warrior in the first 2 raidtiers if you wanna do heroics. Its not funny how much better the other 3 tanks are.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunatley thats likely very true
@kingeh1
Жыл бұрын
That’s simply wrong. Back in the day we cleared the first 2 raids with prot warrior and prot pally. T11 was a 25m hc clear and during t12 we switched to 10 and had the same tanking set up. Cleared all on hc and finished at top 150 world. The whole “can’t be done” is just nonsense. It is harder for sure, no doubt. But there are rarely cases where a class is completely useless.
@danielpallin1090
11 ай бұрын
@@kingeh1We will play on latest patch so all you wrote is absolete.
@kingeh1
11 ай бұрын
@@danielpallin1090 think you meant obsolete and you can play on whatever patch you want. People take meta to a point of "MUST" or can't be done without which is just factually wrong. Every healer and tank spec in the game can clear all content at all levels in cata at any point regardless of the patch we're in. Some specs will struggle more than others but to say "unplayable" is simply wrong. Additionally, like we've seen in the past in WOTLK classic, Blizzard is introducing changes to classes so it is extremely unlikely that you'll have an unplayable tank at any point.
@danielpallin1090
11 ай бұрын
@@kingeh1 Yeah ofc, writing on the phone so funny things do happen. You pointed to events that took place on the current patches, so the point still stands, your post is obsolete. And since you pointed to those "times" it makes me believe you just guess alot here due to history not the actual events of things and fail to understand that it differs alot vs how it played out in the past. If the whole raid is have to adapt to a struggling spec, its more or less unplayable due to the strain on the raid environment.
@pyotrbagration2438
Жыл бұрын
Prot pala is best in p1, you can get block capped in p1 (meaning every melee hit gets reduced by at least 30%) , in Firelands they slowly fall off due to mastery being useless to them after block cap and their DS tier bonus is dogshit.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
This was true in original cata however their scaling in 4.3.4 is entirely different to cata release, palas cant hit avoidance cap in P1 as it currently stands
@brandonkruse6412
Жыл бұрын
4.3 Druid is bis
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Druid and BDK 100%@@brandonkruse6412
@notafortnitegamer
10 ай бұрын
@@mijae1146 is prot pally still a solid choice despite its issues?
@jamesbyrd3740
10 ай бұрын
@@notafortnitegamer if it's good late, I'd say yes.
@james100kg6
Жыл бұрын
How’s blood dmg output vs other tanks? How about in pvp do they deal respectable dmg? Don’t want to play an attrition class for pvp but I love the self sufficiency aspect.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
They're damage is decent, probably middle of the pack, Prot Paladin bursts high and prot warrior does insane damage, but Blood can stand up to them!
@spenceclark76
9 ай бұрын
What do you think will be the best tank for 5 man heroics and the equivalent of titan rune dungeons?
@mijae1146
9 ай бұрын
Dk / Bear until Firelands, then i think Prot Pala will take over
@Sage2000
Жыл бұрын
Hi there. I am seriously in doubt if I should recreate my warrior or my paladin in classic. Are these charges facts or conjectures based on the retail cata?
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
This is based on experience playing a 4.3.4 private server to test,which is the expected patch we will see in Cata Classic
@Orly90
Жыл бұрын
I mained prot pally in cata and I can tell you that pally was good and fun
@DontDoItJimmy
5 ай бұрын
If you want to raid without people complaining you are on a warrior (they are verifiably bad comparatively), go Paladin. Warrior is much more fun, esp in pvp.
@namenoname3284
Жыл бұрын
It's the year of the bear
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Yeeee! Good druids are going to be a godsend in Cata!
@Lorn058
11 ай бұрын
Frustrating how they just continuously s*** on warriors moving forward
@brimstonevalar6053
5 ай бұрын
After Vanilla and TBC prot warr is bad for most progression guilds
@Muffnman007
Жыл бұрын
OMG It's WillE's brother!!!
@leemo4454
Жыл бұрын
Big dk here loving cata
@jakedanger99
11 ай бұрын
Let's go bears! Our time has come 😅
@mijae1146
11 ай бұрын
Woop Woop! A proper shapeshifter build its pretty cool actually
@omarabbas6560
7 ай бұрын
Whats changing from wotlk to cata for bears tho ? Is it that good in cata ? I really wanna play tank and dps cat in cata but all i hear is that bear sucks compared to other tanks and as cat dps it isnt that good either in the tier list …
@jakedanger99
6 ай бұрын
@@omarabbas6560 So, with starter gear other tanks will outperform in most situations. Once your HP is big enough to survive basically anything, there is no better mitigation. Plus having higher dodge. You get hit less and when you do get hit, it doesn't matter. Most hits don't bring you below 80% HP.
@kryogengaming3772
Жыл бұрын
Simple answer it’s blood dk. Always blood dk. Not even funny how OP they are in Arenas.
@james100kg6
Жыл бұрын
Are they a competitive pvp spec? What’s they’re dmg like? How about their dmg as tanks?
@albertobarberacampos451
10 ай бұрын
@@james100kg6 in pvp they have almost on place on 3v3 (or any tank for that matter, I'll only include feral druid since they can technically be cat form and that's about it), but in 2v2 arenas? they are a menace for several dps comps to handle. Their dps is among the best of all tanks on single target scenarios, provided they are the main tank (which they should be) to benefit from vengeance to get their huge ass shields. Druid is in that regard the best offtank of the bunch, being able to deal competitive dmg on their cat form, then switching to bear when needed be.
@benabdeslamriwan7003
8 ай бұрын
Fucking bs You will get destroyed by any casters teams
@jaseytv
Жыл бұрын
Are you reading off a website? Or did you write your own script
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
I write my own scripts, it helps keep the vids short enough and on topic!
@jaseytv
Жыл бұрын
@@mijae1146 great vid! keep up the good work
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!@@jaseytv
@Muffnman007
Жыл бұрын
As always prot warrior is put at the bottom by content creators, but just like WotLK classic prot warrior is a very strong tank if played properly, private servers continue to twist things to suit the host. I started with 5 runs per week in P1 and now at 10 runs per week in P3 and 2 of my tanks are warriors. Threat is amazing if played right, Mit is still as good if not better than a paladin due to critical blocks but its possible to still get clapped in 2 seconds with bad rng where a pally lives due to Ardent Defender (easy mode for noobs). Unfortunately blizz nerfed warrior shield block to have a long ass cooldown so it cant be up all the time, simply put the only explination for this is a Dev mained a prot pally. I've witnessed plenty of horrible warrior tanks. I've also witnessed plenty of horrible DKs, Paladins and druids. You want a skilled player, not a specific class/spec and you will progress with good speed regardless of the class/spec they play (other than meme specs of course). So if content creators can stop spreading crap about tier lists and strengths/weaknesses about diff classes maybe put some more research in and explain how any class can do any role it has a spec for and picking a meta comp isn't going to let you kill a boss first time every time, because for the last 18 years any good players knows its the wielder, not the weapon that makes the most difference.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
I agree with some of what you've said and disagree with others, the facts are, with my similarly geared warrior and paladin is, my paladin takes less overall damage and sustains himself much better, whilst my warrior would do significantly more damage, but die quicker. I am actually playing my warrior as prot currently to try and work through any issues and see if it can be made viable. But compared to the other tanks it is currently the worst unfortunatley
@Whydyoudothis
Жыл бұрын
Lmao the cope in this post is unmatched… warrior is literally shit compared to paladin for countless reasons
@Muffnman007
Жыл бұрын
like i said, if played properly, they were using them in speed runs for a reason.@@mijae1146
@Muffnman007
Жыл бұрын
Paladin is for low skilled players like yourself and 99% of the WoW classic population. "the cope" get the phrase right to begin with you halfwit.@@Whydyoudothis
@jamesbyrd3740
10 ай бұрын
almost no1 uses prot warriors in wotlk? some speedrun guild used a prot in naxx, big whoop.
@markbuchbach9639
Жыл бұрын
As a paladin you can obtain sufficient mastery to combat table cap in the first raid tier. Mijae on crack if he thinks they're not BiS tank all Classiclysm.
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Not during 4.3.4 which is the patch this is on, Full BiS Prot Paladin in t11 doesnt hit mastery cap, trust me, i tried :P
@jamesbyrd3740
10 ай бұрын
@@mijae1146 what does the cap do?
@mijae1146
9 ай бұрын
@@jamesbyrd3740 Mastery gives Avoidance, Ultimately the "cap" gives you the ability to never take an unmitigated hit, which smoothes damage taken massively!
@martinschuster1929
3 ай бұрын
@@mijae1146 I believe they can. I have a 355 prot pala with 97 avoidance already.
@gonzalezruben8503
8 ай бұрын
The best tank in Cata is the decline in playerbase the game will have because nobody wants to play this shitty expansion. lmao
@Tagerrun
Жыл бұрын
Ewwww cata
@mijae1146
Жыл бұрын
Its not everyones game, i get that
@slipknot8441
6 ай бұрын
Only noobs hate Cata
@jonathandalton5846
Жыл бұрын
The best tank experience would be uninstalling until mop
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