That Wilier is a stunner :D And to the point about not being able to remove the motor to make it a regular bike, with the £1800 saved you could also buy a decent non-ebike too
@roadcc
5 жыл бұрын
Buying more bikes, now there's a good idea 😁
@minervali631
5 жыл бұрын
but its a Pinarello. the logo alone worth more than that
@johnwighton
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very useful video, informative and well produced.
@anderstorger4659
5 жыл бұрын
Fun and interesting video, but we are in desperate need of *real* testing of these e-bikes to see if these really work in practice. For some reason no-one in the media is doing it. 3+ watt per kilo riders will not be the typical user, but much less watt. Typical use case would be for a weaker rider to be able to follow a stronger partner or friend on a long road ride. The engine cutoff is 25kmh (32kmh in US), cruising speed on the flats will in the group most often be higher, so you still need the fitness to be able to at least follow in the drag. So how fit do you need to be? A thing to test for some different scenarios. Then ebikemotion is clearly the lower cost and lighter system (and better looking), but not without compromise. Battery is not removable (together with no gearbox need the key reason why weight and cost can be kept lower than Fazua) so you need charging power where the bicycle is parked, which can be a show stopper for some users, thus important to mention. A rear hub motor can't get help from the bicycle gearing, so when you climb a really steep hill and drop below 15kmh the relatively weak engine gets difficulties, at some point the engine just shuts down. Read in a forum of a 90kg rider that had to walk up a 15% grade due to the engine shutting down. Fazua would probably handle that situation. Important to test! Another problem I've heard with ebikemotion is that it's slow to react to pedaling input, as it has no sensor in the cranks, this means that if you suddenly stop pedaling and start breaking the engine still pushes for some time, so you need to break both the heavy bike and the motor pushing. Engine reaction times and overall "feel" is also important to test, I suspect Fazua is better there but I don't know.
@brettcasson6595
5 жыл бұрын
Anders Torger I have the Wilier and I can say it’s fantastic. No sign of shutting down at all under load. You don’t really feel the motor on the flats and I’m able to ride well above 25km/h. I could go on but suffice to say it’s a great bike and a lot of people stop and look and ask questions on it.
@anderstorger3211
5 жыл бұрын
@@brettcasson6595 I don't doubt it's a great bike and I'm really jealous :-), but the concept has its limitations and I'd love to see those limitations properly tested and presented, so anyone can figure out if the concept will work for the type of rider and riding one is into. The lighter you are as a rider the better the motor will cope uphill. The fitter you are, the better, as then you don't drop below the 15 km/h on uphills as often (according to specs I've read it delivers best power in the 15-25 km/h window). If you ride alone, you won't run into trouble not being able to follow your mates on the flats. But if you do get this bike to be able to follow fitter mates one need to be fit enough to be able to at least draft on the flats, and if there is just a little drag from the suspended motor and the circuit you ride is mostly flat one may end up worse than with a normal bike. What I think most would like an e-road bike to be is simply an "FTP compensator", so you can just add a fixed percentage to your FTP so you get at level with your cycling partner, so you can cycle at the same speed same effort, despite having different fitness levels. This way one can enjoy training and riding together without having to wait for eachother. Due to regulations with the low cutoff speed that is not possible however. So for this concept to work when cycling with a stronger partner you need to be strong enough to draft on the flats, and then rest on the uphills (when the motor most likely actually makes you stronger than the partner as long as uphill is suitably steep so the resulting speed is in the 15-25km/h range). If the fitness difference is too big it falls apart, and you need to start waiting on eachother, with a suitably hilly course it could work to catch up on the uphills, but it's more enjoyable to stay together. Drafting inside a large peleton you can save 30-40% effort, but as an amateur drafting behind just one person at a distance comfortable for an amateur you save say just 15% or so, meaning that your fitness still needs to be quite close. So I see this concept work for some types of riding and for some types of riders, but it seems to me that the case is quite narrow. In the US where the cutoff speed is 32km/h it broadens significantly, but then power/battery might be an issue for these lightweight systems.
@sharkmentality9717
4 жыл бұрын
@@anderstorger3211 I use a cruise control. As with car driving, I gage speeds of my fellow riders and activate. With a 2nd push of the button I can increase or decrease 3 mph for variation in group pace. Of course with the addition of human power I can match fellow riders to within fractions. While assisted. Throttle and cruise control: US class 1 😉....1000 watt 52v 17ah
@millmoormichael6630
4 жыл бұрын
you earned that buck like muhf...
@stevedong5117
2 жыл бұрын
I really wish to get total removable motor + battery, so I won't be keep thinking "am I wasting all my money to get the fancy carbon frame and di2 groupset on this 14kg junk"? Imagine you have a E-bike that you can just change out the rear wheel with motor to your regular carbon race wheel, and pull off the battery from the downtube, then you get a sub 8kg road racer, how cool is that!
@roadcc
2 жыл бұрын
the fazua battery/motor in the pinarello is removable
@motorcyclesandthings8633
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I did a similar test between 2 mountain bikes, one was at least twice the price of the other , and was only 2 seconds faster over a 2 and a quarter mile twisty rd, with a few slight up hills and down hill, the expensive one was mid drive , the cheaper one rear hub drive ,the cheaper one 2 kilos heavier , but I’d loose 2 seconds and save 1900 quid everyday , performance and riding experience was very similar , despite different motors , in different placement, hub one was quieter slightly,,, Both hard tails , cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
@normhanson981
3 жыл бұрын
Dave , thanks for the review , I looked at the Orbea gain rear hub motor for 2650 yesterday , really tempted for these Cornish hills , only 60 mile range but as it’s only 13.5kg I’m hoping I’ll just need the assist for the hills . Looks just like a normal road bike . Thanks.
@Rockinbiker1946
Жыл бұрын
I purchased my LOOK e-765 with the Fazua motor 7 months ago and enjoy the 250w here on the hills. I looked at the Orbea but I'm glad I chose the LOOK. I have seen some problems with the rear hub motors, mainly spoke breakage. In the US we also enjoy the limit for assist at 20MPH and I must say I can feel some assist even above that.
@jamesneilsongrahamloveinth1301
4 жыл бұрын
No-one seems to assess the durability of e-bikes or the cost of maintenance. Not owning a car, I rely on my Kalkhoff. Over 6 years or so I've had to have several replacement motors - on guarantee but the fitting is costly - and numerous other problems have required expensive trips to the repair shop. Changing the brake-blocks is a major exercise . . .
@roadcc
4 жыл бұрын
Obviously given the amount of time we have the bikes for review it is hard to factor that in. I know we have mentioned it in other ebike reviews/content across the site but that is one of the things that does need to be accounted for. Battery technology can certainly improve over time so in the future it could become less of an issue
@user-jh8hs7xf3e
Жыл бұрын
I have the Cube agree c62 hybrid with the Fazua drive unit, basically its same as the Pinarello. I can get 140km range on mine using the battery only when needed. Its all about how you manage the power output. There advantages to the Fazua system, the main thing is the natural feel of the bike with the torque being at the crank vs rear wheel. Rear hub motors feel like you are being pushed. The fazua system feels identical to an unassisted road bike.
@user-du7vx1qy4n
2 жыл бұрын
what was the battery consumption at the end? same or different figures ?
@roadcc
2 жыл бұрын
very similar consummption for the two
@JC-un4bg
2 жыл бұрын
I think a heaver out of shape ride will Benefit with a mid drive as it drives through your gears the same as you so you can gear down . I’ve heard the rear hubs bog down I’m looking at getting a Ebike I’ve borrowed a friends Vado sl . Great up hill but on the flat I don’t get on with it as I’m not strong anuff to push it faster. Not sure if it needs a service as it feels like there drag . Maybe the tyres would make a difference. I’d like it if it cut out at 18 mph and would by one tomorrow if we had the Same speed limits as the USA, then I could dial that assistance so as I could ride at say 145 bpm at say 18 mph then when I push get to 20 mph. I feel my fitness weight and speed are at a real awkward place . I think I need to go and demo a bunch real to make my mind up .
@anthonyberesford-wylie6642
5 жыл бұрын
I have owned the Fazua System now for 2 weeks fitted into the Focus Paralane2 , i did try the rear hub motor but found it had less power pulling me up the hills..The Fazua adds 20nm's of torque. The only negative thing I have with the Fazua system fitted in 3 bikes that i rode, Pinarello Nytro, Bianchi is that anyone can just walk up to your bike ..A Real Design Fault....Buy the way the Focus runs so smoothly and you cannot notice the motor cutting out or in
@112deeps
4 жыл бұрын
Got a hybrid ebike with crank motor no idea what watt or calories use is. Kalkhoff Integrale belt drive shiamano alfine 8 . Nearly 2 years. Use it lots. I just put it in eco or sport mode then switch off once up to speed pedal to keep speed. Switch on when stop start or coming up to a hill. Keep telling me 110 miles on eco mode and 36miles on ultra (turbo) mode. Its the future.
@ffjim
4 жыл бұрын
Very useful thanks, a couple points about ebikes is weather proofing and how well they handle sustained climbs, i would like guidance on use in the alps or lejog? Any thought's on that, a failure on that kind of epic ride would be much worse than a 60 mile local loop... thanks any suggestions welcome
@bikeman123
2 жыл бұрын
Isnt it easier to use the gearing to lower the load on the Fazua system and get more range?
@JC-un4bg
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I’m 100 kgs and with the Vado sl I still need to use the correct gears for cadence and efficiency. It’s not my bike and I’ve not rode one of my normal road bikes for a long time . I did a route I used to do 8 years ago and I was faster then . But I was playing with assistance on the he hills I think I need to ride it on turbo or trail the hole way . In eco on one hill of 12 % a guy on a normal bike over took me
@justinf1343
4 жыл бұрын
I'm also keen to understand how it affected your hear rate. This would be very useful for those who are looking to commute on an ebike. You mentioned you were quicker going up the climb but by how much and if you were to cycle up just on time would your HR have been much lower compared with no assistance?
@pyramidion5911
4 жыл бұрын
You move so fast you can't hear shit
@danielcavanagh4767
4 жыл бұрын
You can connect your X35 system to a heart rate monitor and through the mobile application you can display and track it. You can also share your ride on the online web app:www.ebikemotion.com/app/login.php
@memilome3431
4 жыл бұрын
Orbea Gain X35 nice when working. Electrics failed twice in a few weeks
@xclent1975
4 жыл бұрын
oh no...i just ordered one..what issues do you have with it?
@bd7190
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, great video, please give us a bit more info of how these motors work, especially the Wilier and if possible the Cento 10. How much push do they give, can you climb easy even the steepest hills easily? how much help assistance do they provide?
@dailyprophet6641
5 жыл бұрын
Would like to know how they ride on a dead battery/ power turned off; do they drag? Whats the real range on the different settings for a recreational rider (sub 2w/kg)?
@AndrewEbling
4 жыл бұрын
There is a bit of drag on the ebikemotion system, yes.
@CopyCatJay
3 жыл бұрын
@Wooly Chewbakker so which one do you like better? I cant decide buying between these two bikes, can you help me out?
@bikeman123
4 жыл бұрын
What about controlling the assistance? Surely being able to toggle up/down with the fazua system is easier than sequentially stepping through with the ebike motion button. Doesn't it just get annoying having to press than button multiple times?
@robbiebubble3670
5 жыл бұрын
Great and helpful video! One thing that I'd be interested in is the range on the Wilier. I'm very interested in the bike but I'm a bit worried about it's 250Wh battery and can't find any information about that on the internet. What's your experience on that?
@roadcc
5 жыл бұрын
Just spoken to Dave and he says he can easily do a 100km ride on it
@robbiebubble3670
5 жыл бұрын
@@roadcc Thanks a lot! I live in a pretty flat area so I shouldn't worry about the range then I guess.
@nycLPplayer
5 жыл бұрын
Can the hub motor version have the rear wheel swapped and be motor free? I would imagine you may need spacers.
@leoseller7
5 жыл бұрын
NYC LP Player yes it can, the battery is completely removable and the rear wheel can be swapped out for a normal non drive motor hub. Basically a normal road disc bike with an oversized downtube
@pyramidion5911
4 жыл бұрын
So you want an ebike with no motor...
@lisette2060
3 жыл бұрын
@@pyramidion5911 why not? Extra set of wheels for extended travel or whatever, and you have an ordinary high quality racer...
@anderstorger4659
5 жыл бұрын
About battery consumption, clearly the idea is that you should stay above 25km/h on the flats and only use the motor uphill, the manufacturers often specify the range as in meters climbing. Both these system claim zero drag when the motor is not engaged, but is this really true? The rear hub motor is quite a lump, it would be noticeable when accelerating above cutoff speed, right? Fazua gearbox is still a gearbox, does it really have zero drag? It could be "low", but don't forget road riders obsess over ceramic bearings in bottom brackets, and in that context I doubt it's zero drag. How do these heavy bikes feel above 25km/h, and downhill at high speeds? Unlike commuting bikes these bikes are intended to be used above cutoff speed for most of the time so how they feel to ride without the motor engaged is an important aspect. I guess that if you don't change speed much it will be okay (assuming drag truly is near zero), but if you do it will feel sluggish like a cheap bike from the 90s, or?
@AndrewEbling
4 жыл бұрын
I can feel a bit of drag on my ebikemotion x35-equipped bike.
@lisette2060
3 жыл бұрын
This sort of "heavy" bike is 13kg. Not long ago considered a pretty good achievement. Even experienced former professional riders finds the concept interesting. Lots of people are telling how they're able to ride again, despite different physical issues. It's still free for anyone to ride as they may prefer
@colincampbell4261
Жыл бұрын
2:35 before i watch - the mid drive should beat the hub? I was wrong.
@jasonhale7126
Жыл бұрын
This bike was really easy to assemble kzitem.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
@memilome3431
4 жыл бұрын
Lapierre E Xelius (Fazua) arrived today bent hanger and electrics up the wall.time for a new Hip
@NoGattsuNoGlory
5 жыл бұрын
what was the ride feel between the two? from start to finish?
@chrisbradshaw834
3 жыл бұрын
I have a Cube Agree c62 hybrid using the Fazua system and it is very similar to the Pinarello weight wise. I found this video annoying. You didn't say which power level you were using. I only ever use the lowest assist level which is more than enough for most of the hills in Derbyshire. I think you should have explained more about the differences in the level of assistance. Also, a major difference between the two bikes is the controller. The Fazua is on the handlebars (on my Cube) and is very easy to control without taking your eyes off the road. The Willier like all Ebike motion systems is a button on the crossbar. In my opinion not as easy to use or control the power (only sequential change of power levels). These are two great bikes but the video could have been so much better and more informative.
@lifelittlewonders
5 жыл бұрын
Trouble is there's so many to choose from..
@Countrystock
5 жыл бұрын
Great video that, will you be testing the Ribble SLE anytime soon????
@roadcc
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks1 Yeah, the plan is to be test the Ribble when we can get our hands on one
@BlackCountryLad
3 жыл бұрын
I would really like you to do a comparison between a Ribble CGR AL e Sram Apex 1x 650B with a more expensive counterpart. Does this great value bike shine against one of the foreign more expensive bikes?
@memilome3431
4 жыл бұрын
1 week for a sensor fault and 5 weeks with battery failure.now have a Creo amazing bike
@simonshusse
Жыл бұрын
Pinarello and Willier aren't really ebike motors, they are bike manufacturers. Perhaps the title is misleading.
@JCDELDF
5 жыл бұрын
The Wilier Cento1HY is a dream.
@alanchalkley8743
5 жыл бұрын
What about the avanti with front wheel motor and regenerative braking that can achieve about 30% more distance per charge?
@agisspentzos7588
5 жыл бұрын
The title of the video is which motor is best, not which motor is fastest. Therefore, I think that additional input should be provided regarding how these two feel in respect to each other, as well as what was the difference in power consumption during the climb. In fact I am very surprised that the hub motor came on top since it does not have the gearing advantage the fazua has. That makes me to believe that it did so with a battery consumption penalty....
@jonburnell532
5 жыл бұрын
I agree. There are so many parameters that are very rarely tested in these videos (this applies to all cycle channels). Things like battery range, charge time, durability, lifespan, maintenance. And we all view "best" differently too. Fastest up hill wouldn't interest me as I wouldn't buy one for that reason. If it can survive a ten hour ride, be removed for an eight hour charge ready for another 10 hour ride the next day, that would interest me.
@robbiebubble3670
5 жыл бұрын
I'm new to ebikes but I'd assume that the hub motor doesn't need gears cuz you change the gears on the wheel manually/electronical yourself to keep the same cadence. So consumption would suffer that much of a penalty.
@rjm7358
5 жыл бұрын
New to the channel love it
@roadcc
5 жыл бұрын
Welcome 👋
@JonPrevost
4 жыл бұрын
Best of both worlds is to utilize a hybrid of both motor tech. An "assistant" motor in the mid-drive that has the peak efficiency at the riders optimal cadence and has a low inertia either brushless outrunner or coreless motor (form of induction type motor). That when starting and stopping pedalling isn't wasting energy getting the motor to simply spin-up. Then add a geared rear hub motor, again, for low inertia it should be geared and because there are already 2 other motors (mid-drive and human) it can be light weight. This is the motor that gets prodominant usage for sustained speeds where it is in it's optimal speed range. The efficiency of the hub motor is linked to the direct drive of the rear motor (lower transmission losses) and is coupled to the wheel speed, proportional to bicycle speed. That would be how I design an ebike made for mileage out of a battery pack. Granted there are a lot of losses in just carying around motors that aren't contributing and different clutches etc. will have their own net losses, I just would like to see a hybrid ebike before I build one.
@jamesc6137
2 жыл бұрын
can you ride the willier like a regular bike with the motor turned off? Or for that matter remove the battery and change out the rear wheel to a non-motor wheel and hub and get on like that?
@roadcc
2 жыл бұрын
certainly you can ride it with the motor off. you can't remove the battery though
@jamesc6137
2 жыл бұрын
@@roadcc thanks for the reply. You say the battery can’t be removed….how would it be replaced at the end of its life span?
@robinwebster9053
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesc6137 you can remove the battery, just need to take the bottom bracket out, unplug the wiring and drop it out the bottom. My Cento10HY needs a skewer hub for the rear.
@leegrant1800
5 жыл бұрын
Hi a question for you how long would these batteries last until you would have to get a new battery and if so how much will it cost.
@pauljohnson4876
5 жыл бұрын
Good question. The answer will determine the value of these bikes. Been hearing the Ribble sle is going to be comparable these bikes. Looking forward to your test ride review
@AndrewEbling
4 жыл бұрын
The ebikemotion system is specified for 500 charge/discharge cycles. No word on replacement costs yet, but they are made with standard Li 18650 cells, so should hopefully be possible to refurbish or upgrade when the time comes.
@LS8eighteen
5 жыл бұрын
Nobody I know would be interested in an ebike that costs over $5,000. Why don't you test the bikes that sell in significant numbers, you know, the ones that go for $2-3k??
@roadcc
5 жыл бұрын
We have loads of bikes at different prices on the channel, these ones just happened to be more expensive
@robbiebubble3670
5 жыл бұрын
So you saying that just cuz nobody you know would buy those he shouldn't review them? What about the people actually thinking about getting one of these bikes like I do? The cheaper bikes will be reviewed plenty of times, way more than the expensive ones.
@millmoormichael6630
4 жыл бұрын
My brother just bought a Specialized Turbo Levo, oh boy that thing is fun!
@ldavid2
5 жыл бұрын
"Which Ebike motor is best?" Your legs!
@codyscott4301
5 жыл бұрын
Tru dat. Save money and get more fit
@kennygrieve2648
5 жыл бұрын
I only have one leg so it's a dream for me.
@Morpheus0000
5 жыл бұрын
I think they come into their own when you've got a big elevation ride with climbers of different abilities.
@renegadeflyer2
5 жыл бұрын
Could you not swap out the rear wheel if you would like to ride a none ebilke.
@anderstorger4659
5 жыл бұрын
In theory I suppose yes, but the ebikemotion motor is so wide that a non-standard hub width is used so you need a special wheel built to fit it in there. And you still need to go along with the battery in the frame. I doubt that the main use of being able to detach the motor/battery in the Fazua system will be to use it as a normal bike, but I think it will rather be used to be able to charge the battery away from the bike, and make the bike less attractive to steal if it's parked in public.
@renegadeflyer2
5 жыл бұрын
@@anderstorger4659 The idea of having a ebilke that can be converted to a none ebilke for what ever reason, doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with. The ebilke owner my have his or hers, original none ebilke , if they didn't get rid of it. they could ride it instead.
@lisette2060
3 жыл бұрын
@@anderstorger4659 X35 is swapped directly to a ordinary wheel. Battery is removable too. Just checked before ordering one in blue 😁
@pauljohnson4876
5 жыл бұрын
Remove the battery from the pinerolo and you have s standard bike. The same can be said of the Willier, just turn off the motor.
@leoseller7
5 жыл бұрын
Paul Johnson, actually you can also remove the entire battery system from the Wilier. And from what I’ve been told you can also use a standard rear road wheel with a certain spacing to have very light road bike that doubles as e bike also.
@solefreak2
5 жыл бұрын
@@leoseller7 How can the battery be removed from one of these bikes with the inbuilt battery?
@pyramidion5911
4 жыл бұрын
I dont understand why people would want to take the motor or battery on and off. Just get another bike.
@Tox1415
4 жыл бұрын
SoleFreak It comes out through the bottom bracket. The batteries are replaceable, otherwise once a battery is past it the bike would be scrap.
@lisette2060
3 жыл бұрын
@@solefreak2 removed as they were mounted. Through the opening in the frame. Closed by a lid..
@LegSpinna
5 жыл бұрын
If you need to find a good home for the Wilier, I'll gladly take it off your hands.
@johnnyboy1586
3 жыл бұрын
I think our e bike speed limit is 32 ks here in NZ
@gearmonkey
5 жыл бұрын
wouldn't it be a bit better to control for weight (i.e. stick some weight on the lighter bike)? the kilo and a half difference between the two bikes feels pretty relevant. watts/kilo is super important on a 10% grade...
@steve-bs3qp
5 жыл бұрын
Long term reliability still remains to be seen as a experiment these bikes open up a whole new mode of transport and possible racing if the technology is developed into the future
@mikegoodchild6129
3 жыл бұрын
thanks Dave for the intro. I'm stuck, any preference. Pinarello nitro or Specialized Creo road ?
@johnwilliamson9453
3 жыл бұрын
What did you decide? I’m in a similar boat, but at least you are in a BB mount decision. I have two Spesh SL’s and I like almost everything about the Spesh system except the noise level, especially in higher boost modes. Also looking at the Orbea Gain M20, which is a value leader.
@sheilastallard
4 жыл бұрын
Gave up as soon as you mentioned the price.
@pedoncule36
5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to remove the limitation of 25km/h on these 2 bikes ? Thanks
@anderstorger4659
5 жыл бұрын
It's not legal to ride those on public roads. Trim kits for many type of e-bikes motor systems do exist though and you can find it by googling. I don't think any of these two systems have been "hacked" yet though, and my educated guess is that ebikemotion will be harder to compromise due to it's integrated position in the hub, its enclosed electronics can quite easily detect manipulations. The Fazua system use an external speed sensor like Bosch etc so it's probably easier to hack if someone tries to do it. These weaker motors could be more prone to overheating though so I suspect they would not survive as well as traditional e-bike motors if used all ride. And the limited battery capacity would be a problem too.
@pedoncule36
5 жыл бұрын
@@anderstorger4659 Thanks a lot for these precisions !!
@AndrewEbling
4 жыл бұрын
The ebikemotion system uses a different motor in the US, where the speed limit is higher. Conclusion seems to be it's not possible to hack the EU version. Which is a shame, because the 25 kmh limit is just too low for a road bike. But that's the law.
@phillycheesetake
5 жыл бұрын
The crank is clearly the most ideal place to drive a bike, regardless of implementation.
@freethinksman4393
5 жыл бұрын
It really depends. Mid-drives take advantage of the bike's transmission, allowing for a smaller motor. Direct drive hub motors, however, tend to be better at consistent high speed touring. They maintain most of their torque even at full speed while a mid drive's torque spec plummets as it climbs through the gears. Mid drives also place an inordinate amount of strain on the drive train resulting in wearing out chains and gears rapidly. Quality direct drive hub motors last longer, have fewer moving parts, are virtually maintenance-free and nearly silent. A widely accepted generalization is that mountain bikes benefit most from mid drives most while high speed commuter ebikes benefit most from direct drive hub motors.
@lisette2060
3 жыл бұрын
@@freethinksman4393 well described👍
@ioanbalint4039
4 жыл бұрын
If you running with road bike and mtb on the street definitely road bike will be semnificaly much faster butt if you running with an e bike is completely different e-mtb ruming 3-4 time much faster like and road. e-bike
@najmudinnajmudin1727
3 жыл бұрын
Best motor ebike is : Can't seen easily Big bottom bracket is dumb. Big down tube is also look stupid.
@stevedong5117
2 жыл бұрын
Agree! I think the E-bike designers put too much attention on the range. Average recreational riders won't ride more than 20 miles before their butts start to hurt. Serious riders don't need all that much assistance. A 1/3 sized internal battery with a bottle cage range extender would be a much better solution.
@anthonyberesford-wylie6642
5 жыл бұрын
Walk up to your bike and steal the system
@ramysulimani3902
4 жыл бұрын
How durable are Road E Bikes?
@roadcc
4 жыл бұрын
Much like any bike they're as durable as you are careful. Of course there are a few things to consider with ebikes depending on the motor but we wouldn't say they're much more likely to break than a regular bike
@LeoInterHyenaem
5 жыл бұрын
The 25km/h for everyone but grannies and maybe an occasional grandpa - is a joke. The crappy standard must altogether disappear. The 45km/h standard makes a million times more sense, but shouldn't cost the consumer a dime or require one to go through all manner of trouble to acquire a speed pedelec.
@pyramidion5911
4 жыл бұрын
Titles video which ebike motor is the best then reviews two bikes. Hmm... Wonder which one paid for the video
@tefarurumonico7173
Жыл бұрын
No customer service. Do not recommend
@NickPadwick
3 жыл бұрын
Two overpriced electric bikes! Who but the rich can afford a £6000 bike!
@richardevans9465
4 жыл бұрын
Useless, learnt nothing
@bastogne315
4 жыл бұрын
I've seen bigger hills in my local Pet Stop. I'd piss up there in 2 minutes.
@law1008
3 жыл бұрын
So modest!
@codyscott4301
5 жыл бұрын
#EbikesAreMopeds
@kennygrieve2648
5 жыл бұрын
Probably coming from a person that rides a full carbon bike with all the gadgets and gizmos and paranoid about his strava stats 😂😂
@richardevans9465
4 жыл бұрын
They are if they have a throttle control, and can be used without having to pedal. That would make them into an electric scooter, so if they do,they should pay road tax and insurance
@briansmith7131
5 жыл бұрын
Never show me another ebike story or I hit the unsubscribe button.
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