I have many 20 year old Hornby super detailed loco driven models. Run great, look great, couple close, and bits don’t fall off. The loco driven ones like the black 5 or 8f are still excellent.
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
That's right - they may be simpler - but they do what they're supposed to! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@billywindsock9597
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely right.
@thecornishsteamtrain123
4 ай бұрын
The 2004 model is the best. And I got mine at a show for just £39.99 and still runs fantastically and looks beautiful
@phil36310
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, in a recent interview S. Kohler dismissed QC problems and pointed out that expressed problems we experience with new models is an insult to the designers & developers at Hornby. Seems they can't stand criticism let alone the will to do something about it ! So sad to see them shooting in their own feet. The many comments here speak for themselves. It does ring a big bell !! Thanks for sharing this interesting comparison.
@cjone3432
4 ай бұрын
Clearly they are very stubborn. Just got a new W1 and it took 3 attempts to get one without issues straight out of the box. I wonder what world they live in where they think it is acceptable to charge £200+ for something that doesnt work properly straight out the box.
@andrewhotston983
4 ай бұрын
Can't take Simon Kohler seriously.
@cbrooks122000
4 ай бұрын
That is why Hornby will never change. If you can't take constructive criticism you shouldn't be in design.
@wgj4813
3 ай бұрын
I have four or five super detail 2xxxx black fives and they all run really well. An improvement to me would have been better engineering. Closer to that found in european models
@phil36310
3 ай бұрын
@@wgj4813 I agree. Compared to EU designs Hornby is old basic. But then price-wise a EU loc cost a lot more. Ex. a DC Jouef steamloc (part of Hornby Group) cost around 320 € for a 0-8-0. But no one in the EU would except a faulty locomotive strait out of the box. Nor bits falling of. In the UK RTR means Ready To Repair. Unacceptable !!
@smithge4uk
4 ай бұрын
SImon Kholer used to say 'My customers wants detail, detail, detail'......no we dont, we want 'realibility, realibility, realibility'....
@frostedbutts4340
4 ай бұрын
I want good enough detail.. doesn't need to be flawless under an electron microscope.. and a fair price
@andrewphippsphillips1455
3 ай бұрын
SK is a bit of a clown & thinks a few shows on television makes him more important than the company. Now they have Mike Ashley on board, it's inevitable that the product will get worse, like the brands he ruined with Sports Direct (Dunlop, Everlast)
@MayoHosko
4 ай бұрын
Hornby were doing alright 20 years ago and this comparison proves it
@theaussiebritt8948
4 ай бұрын
I think models from the mid-2000s were just good solid models in general. I first started watching model railway videos around 2010ish and so those typed models were often the ones being covered. It felt like a good period for the hobby!
@Barbarapape
4 ай бұрын
Hornby's latest Black 5 is a classic example of newer not been better. If enough of us refuse to buy them or return them as i have done theh they might get the message. There are plenty of the older versions to choose from, i think a lot of us will have at least a few of them from the previous releases. As prices go up and quality comes down, now is the time to find a good used sample.
@RedShedNick
4 ай бұрын
Couldn't possibly add to that, older is better, your absolutely right.
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
Yeah that's very true - it would have been better if they were built to the necessary standard... but sadly both of the ones I tried were not! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@RedShedNick
4 ай бұрын
@@SamsTrains So true Sam.
@modelrailfan37
4 ай бұрын
The new one would be better if the price was more around £160 and the quality was better… I actually thought about preordering one of the new black fives but I didn’t given Hornby’s recent track record and also because of the crazy price. I’m very glad I didn’t order one now, as I don’t have the patience to deal with models that cost of £200 that have crank pins that don’t stay in place, failing tender connections, glue marks left right and centre, torch issues and other smaller problems…
@RedShedNick
4 ай бұрын
@@modelrailfan37 Absolutely! Such a shame, i do hope some employees from Hornby would follow Sams trains and learn something and improve the products, not to rip us off, we are loyal customers after all, show some respect Hornby please.
@andrewcalladine2507
4 ай бұрын
Great comparison. Hopefully Hornby will sort out the issues in the second run of the new model.
@NickGeorgiades
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, great video as always. I have like someone else who commented the Silver Seal Black Five R859 which came with the wrong valve gear, which I subsequently converted to the correct type . Still love it and runs to this day.
@JerseyBill-x9r
4 ай бұрын
Hornby is not very available here in the states, but I found your comparison interesting. I watched the 2024 Black 5 review video and agreed with you then and seem to find myself in agreement with you 100% of the time so far. Great review and video as always, Jersey Bill.
@emmanuel704
2 ай бұрын
Honestly It's not that bad since you don't get taxed and if u spend over 150 hornby will give your free shipping so 🤷♂️
@modelrailfan37
4 ай бұрын
The old railways one is my favourite! It’s detailed, runs better than the new one, has a good mechanism and doesn’t fall to pieces. I don’t have a black five currently, and was thinking about buying one of the new ones, but honestly I think I’d be more happy with the old one…
@davemarson7241
4 ай бұрын
I have Hornby Lms Black 5 4657, and the very first one produced the silver seal one.
@thecommissaruk
4 ай бұрын
I still run my late 80's tender driven one, its one of my sons favourites (it's Henry as far as hes concerned). Numbered 5241 I think. Still a reliable workhorse despite advancing age and old Ringfield motor.
@danielholden-storey5107
4 ай бұрын
The only one I have is in LMS livery no. 5000 R2323 (National Railway Museum Collection) issued in 2003. It has a five pole skew motor, sprung buffers and cab interior. Love it.
@speleokeir
4 ай бұрын
I've got two high detail Black 5s. One in LMS livery and the other late BR with red banding. I bought them both second-hand on Ebay between 1-2 years ago. One cost me £90, the other is one of the few named Black 5s 'Ayrshire Yeomanry' and is part of the 'Going Home' train pack which includes, three high detail LMS coaches and cost £130. The coaches go for about £30ish individually second-hand and boxed, so the loco itself effectively cost me about £40.😀 I wouldn't mind getting the new 'Glasgow highlander' Black 5, but will probably wait until I see one at a sensible price on the secondhand market.
@ianstransporthistorystuff8175
4 ай бұрын
I've bought a few of these super dobber detailed locos of hornby ect and I am now getting more older Airfix and Mainline railway locos and stock, as Parts don't come in the bottom of the box or fall off when you breathe on these new fangled models, and these older ones still stand up, I rember when Mainline first came out and their models were ' game changers ' back then, me for one won't be bothering with these new hornby ones.
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
haha that's true - the older models are definitely more robust! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@blackjockofmangertonpele
4 ай бұрын
I love my super dobber when I'm down the bingo trying to win myself some punctuation
@nigelduckworth4419
3 ай бұрын
I have a Mainline standard 4 purchased new in about 1986. It's very heavy, remarkably detailed for the time, and an excellent runner with brilliant pulling power. I had it converted to DCC (because it's split chassis) and it is still going strong.
@tracynation2820
3 ай бұрын
Super. Someone ought to make a Black 5 with locomotive and tender drive. I bet that it would pull the wallpaper off of the wall. As an operator, I like detail, but things like chassis design sometimes takes priority over a good looking locomotive with a poorly designed drivetrain. 💙 T.E.N.
@keitheglon
4 ай бұрын
My hornby black five was one of the earliest models brought in the early 80's and the tender pickup was totally different to the ones you've just shown on your video, it just use to clip in between the bronze contacts, no wires either.
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for sharing - yeah that's absolutely right - the mechanism was entirely different on the original one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Micheal_Jackson_Official
4 ай бұрын
Well technically you have another black 5 the hornby henry from Thomas and friends it’s just the black 5 dressed up wth a face
@mikeking2539
4 ай бұрын
I had one of the tender dirve LMS liveryed Black 5s, I must have got it during the 1980s. I must have got it as a Christmas present, and at that time they were just part of the normal Hornby range, as the Hornby Railroad range was not around back then. I did also have one of the loco drive models, but sadly sold it at a time when i was not too happy with model railways!
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
Yeah absolutely - it was part of the Railways range for many years - ahh pity you sold it off - but many did the same only to return later! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Alex-cw3rz
4 ай бұрын
I find it bizarre that the ebay 2nd hand price is bascially the same if not a little more than the brand new price in 2004.
@danielparrott8339
4 ай бұрын
Seeing the reviews of Hornby's latest black 5, I rushed out and bought the original 1973 version (with Fleischmann style tender drive) in mint condition for £25. I was not disappointed! To be honest, I can't be trusted with the current generation UK outline steam locos (even the ones without chronic production problems) -- the valve gear breaks as soon as I look at them!
@farric1
4 ай бұрын
My Railroad version slips like hell on a 9 coach train whereas my 2004 models have no issue. The Railroad version is also very inaccurate in its' dimensions as it's based on 70's tooling.
@TheHouseofWindsorAviary-oh4vw
4 ай бұрын
I have a Railroad range Black 5. Suits me just fine.
@stephendavies6949
4 ай бұрын
An excellent video. The comparisons were very interesting. I have a Super Detailed-era example, which is one of my favourite locos. I also have an older version, which whilst far less detailed is nevertheless very robust and still runs extremely well. I was poised to add one of the latest versions to my collection, but deferred the purchase after watching your reviews of the loco. Perhaps I'll re-consider buying one in the future if Hornby manage to rectify the various issues you identified.
@dansmodelrailways7886
4 ай бұрын
Sam, have you noticed that on your Railroad model, on the left hand side looking from the cab, the valve gear near the piston rod is the wrong way around. It should be in front of where the piston rod join is, and that side, its behind.
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
Ahh very interesting - I'll have to look at that, thanks! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@MichaelCampin
4 ай бұрын
None at all theyre LMS. Gice me LNER every day
@mcwarrington
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, thanks again for an enjoyable and informative video comparison. Here in New Zealand in 2023 I bought a couple of super-detailed Hornby Black 5's via internet auctions for the equivalent of £50-60 each. One is of 2002 vintage, the other of 2004. Both are superb runners, and feature the "copper brush" drawbar design in your Railroad version, but the chassis/motor, tender, and locomotive shell of your super-detailed version. Strangely, the original boxes do not advertise a DCC socket, but both locos had them on the chassis. Saved me two DCC conversions... 🙂 On a different note, have you considered showing the maximum speed of each locomotive during your tests? You usually seem to stick to 50% power or thereabouts. Would be fun and informative to see the locos doing 100%. Keep up the great work! Cheers from Aotearoa New Zealand...
@MoleculeMind7
4 ай бұрын
Locomotion motion made a video about this
@JaeV2000
4 ай бұрын
Hornby was definitely at their peak for quality in the 2000s
@little_britain
4 ай бұрын
The biggest problem for me with the 2004 railroad version is the equidistant driving wheels. There should be a longer gap between the rear drivers to leave room for the Belpaire firebox grate between the axles. Once you realize that, it is hard to unsee it.
@Lamp_2155
4 ай бұрын
I could be wrong but I think the wheel details on the new version would’ve only been applied to the first one as it would’ve had a more eye-catching livery than later engines. It was done on the coronations so I think it was to show off the prototype. It’s quite impractical on a black 5.
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
Yes I think that's probably what I heard about it too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@modelrailfan37
4 ай бұрын
Good point! It is odd though that Hornby haven’t done a 2024 one in a normal LMS livery though. Considering how many black fives were built I’d think most modellers would want one that looks just like the other 500+ locos that were built, as on a LMS layout you’d probably want a standard looking black five. Come to think of it I don’t think they did a 2024 one with the early crest ether…
@VFCproductions
4 ай бұрын
I sold my 2004 Black 5 (one of the first batch released) as it suffered from a couple of issues very typical for Hornby of that era - wobbly driving wheels, valve gear that kept catching and a very annoying squeaky tender. Maybe one day I'll buy a replacement, but certainly not for over £200!
@ChaosXOtaku
2 ай бұрын
i got my dad the 2004 version before the 2024 version came out & it's able to pull 8 LMS coaches up our helix with no problems so i have no intention of buying the 2024 version
@railway187
4 ай бұрын
Great comparison! I have also seen a Black Five Hornby Railways Silver Seal R.859 with running number 45192. It's very affordable but is it any good?
@class87srule
22 күн бұрын
What's the obsession with the pre-Grouping/pre-Nationalisation steam.I was born 4 years after Nationalisation and only remember Black 5's, 8F's, Jubilees, Semis and Jinties. Never any A4's or E.R. stuff, Living in East Lancs, LM stuff only. Some. grimy, careworn examples from manufacturers would be nice, rather than pristine examples straight from Crewe or Horwich.
@ArmedStepney
16 күн бұрын
Well just come back from a local exhibition, bought a new in box 2004 version Black 5 for £85, less than a Railroad loco, is the new one worth over twice that?
@colinmeredith7114
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam... I recently purchased some Hornby 8F loco's from up to approximately twenty years ago and they were noisy! The worm-gear was removed and fitted to identical 5-pole motors from China...ten for less than the price of One from Hornby!! The magnets were weak in comparison but they pull just as well and....they are Super Quiet!!! One of the old 8F motors was taken apart and the dirt and filings inside had to be seen to be believed!! The Black 5 used the X4026....another easily obtainable type motor. I forgot to say....NO way will I buy the new Black 5...it's cheaper and more fun to use the Brassmasters kits to upgrade.
@johnrigby7373
4 ай бұрын
Great video, interesting that I have the opposite in that my 24 version has a far better crawl than my 04 version. But my 04 does haul my rake of home built wagons (not free rolling- a great test rake) slightly better. I like them both tbh. Especially now my 24 version has had its teething problems corrected by Hornby. I do have an original 5 (the one that ended up in the Thomas range) which I’ve not run for a while.
@markweightman3805
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, Lovely comparison, and interesting stuff, Wonder if the results would change under DCC ? I have a pet theory that modern mortors are designed with DCC in mind, so I wonder if that would change things at all ? I may well be wrong however. Personally I have 1977 Black 5 with Ringfield Tender drive motor (which has the same tooled Body as your Railroad one I believe), 2005 Black 5, And the 2024 new Black 5, Luckily my 2024 version is a good one, no problems with it. I enjoy them all, but personally , The New 2024 is my favourite , and if I had to sell 2 and keep 1 it would be the new one I would keep. This is an easy one for me as A) It's had none of the widely reported problems and B) I got money for my birthday for a new Loco so it hasn't cost me the full £206 pounds....Lucky me 🙂
@tobyytlai
4 ай бұрын
IMO the 2004 model could prove rather adequate even in 2024, say with £169.99 RRP or £152.99 at retailers (I wanted to say £159.99 RRP or £143.99 at retailers, but that seems like too much of a push, given Hornby charges £193.99 for a tiny M7)
@philipgreenwood166
2 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, I was very surprised given how thought you normally are, to see you seem to have missed the two most obvious failings of the railroad version. namely its a 4 mm scale to short on the length of the loco and that horribly plastic skirt between the running plate and the boiler. For me no of cost reduction can take both these two issues into account, Which in truth make the railroad version not even a model of a black 5. your points about the new 2024 and the original 2003 super detailed are more on point. cheers Phil
@nigelduckworth4419
3 ай бұрын
I have just purchased 2nd hand the 2004 model and I was holding my breath when looking at your video of the defective new model to see whether the manufacturer's number was the same as mine because I bought it in Hattons clearance. Fortunately it isn't of course. So in my view I have dodged a bullet. The model I have is aesthetically perfect as far as that goes and appears brand new. Since most of my running is with a max of 3 coaches due to layout size. and mostly slow, I am pleased the 2004 came out on top I am a fan of detail but you can't really see much when the loco is travelling round the track, which for me is the primary purpose. All in all, very good buy --and fascinating video.
@jeannedarcalterberserker8620
4 ай бұрын
While I'm waiting for the smoke fitted version, I have been looking for the Super Detail version for a while now. I have the Duchess of Sutherland which is from 2003 and I absolutely love it. For me that's the perfect balance of good mechanism, decent detail, but not too fragile. They fill the gap between toy grade tender drive model and super expensive detailed model. But since I've seen a few people showing a fix to the tender connection of the 2024 model, I want to wait for it because steam generators sound incredibly fun. Still, should I find the 2004 version for a good price I'll buy one. I may even recommend you do this more often, a new "Buffer to Buffer" series once a month. Compare different versions of one model. I think that would certainly be interesting and useful for someone like me who's buying models from all ages, but still balancing on not overspending. Great review, Sam
@Tony_7791
4 ай бұрын
On cost, its too simplistic to say a 2nd hand model is cheaper than the brand new version. With brand new you get a warranty-Which has value. If the a model from 2004 is going to cost upto 150 pounds 2nd hand, and a brand new model form 2024 is 209 pounds, id say the new model is better value.
@JohnJones-lq8sc
3 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, another great episode. I have 2 Black Fives from 2008, the limited edition end of steam ones. They loco drive with the chip in the loco, but the old connection to the tender, but they have'nt got the massive weight in the tender. They are very good runners, & look ok, not as detailed as newer models but did'nt cost £200 each. I think thats what the pair cost!! I was contemplating getting a new one, but having watched your reviews of the new one I think I'll keep my money & stick with what i've got.
@martinworsley6147
3 ай бұрын
To me a model is just that, a model. It represents a prototype but, just like the real thing, has its own unique quirks, design issues and ways of running. I loved this video because it shows the different ways all manufacturers try to use the technology to ‘improve’ models we will hopefully buy. Sometimes this is a total flop and the design is sent back to the drawing board - just like happened many times at Swindon, Doncaster, Crewe, Eastleigh etc. I love your channel because you focus on the model and what I should be looking for in that model. The only improvement in your marking scheme would be a score for smell. Some of the old locomotives have a fantastic oil and ozone combi that’s just not present in today’s offerings!😊
@OlivierGabin
3 ай бұрын
For the last model of the Black 5, Hornby seems to have taken the 2004 chassis with zero modifications, add a 21 pins DCC socket, revamp the details and sold it as is. At least, we have a model that can run if the tender-engine connection is not fluxed up by shoddy manufacturing...
@michaelwain3198
3 ай бұрын
when I was collecting model trains in the 2000's the Black 5 from that era was really nice for the time. A massive step up in quality, detail and smooth reliable running, only let down slightly by it's pulling power but not everyone has a big enough layout for 12 coach trains. If your layout is flat it'll have no bother with 7 or 8 coaches, I had several BR ones and liked them a lot. The new one looks disappointing with unreliable features, made worse by it's ridiculous cost
@kintyjunction5044
3 ай бұрын
I have the NRM 5000 black 5 and it’s the best runner and an excellent crawler too I’ll stick with that for now due to having 8 pin sound decoder in it from loksound. With the high price tag of the problematic 2024 model I would need to spend around £400 this includes sound decoder if I was gonna replace my current black 5 due to it being 21 pin decoder socket
@timharrison2894
3 ай бұрын
I've got a couple of Super Detail Black 5s that have the "Rail Road" tender connection, maybe they were earlier examples. Nay bother, they're so much easier to manage and no dangling wires. I would not swap either of them for one of the 2024 models!
@oliverg98
4 ай бұрын
Sam I have just got the new accurascale class 66, I URGE you to get one and review it. Its outstanding
@nameless5413
4 ай бұрын
"Hornby are lazy" i was thinking sure we know that but how bad could it be... and than Mr. Sam's trains revealed that Hornby left he chassis from era when the tender was running locomotive basically intact and merely removed engine from tender! think my jaw dropped at how stupid of an idea that is by Hornby. I also concur with few comments on this being good idea, shows that they are trying over the the big H.
@johnspencer2914
4 ай бұрын
I have an 80s tender drive one and a 2004 version. The 2004 version has had smoke added, DCC sound fitted with a working lamp. And looks the part to me. All that cost me less than the 2024 version. So I don't really feel the need to upgrade especially if there could be various issues to address.
@Forgotmk
3 ай бұрын
For me, it's a mismatch between the 2005 model and the 2023/2024 model, which is why I prefer the 2005 because it is cheaper and 8-Pin, so easier DCC.
@cirseltoo
4 ай бұрын
Just as a thought- as on the prototype tractive power of a steam loco is a function of the locomotive weight (NOT including tender) would it not be a bit more useful to compare the weight of the locos only, THEN talk about the drag of the tender.....
@somersetashton-lewis3415
3 ай бұрын
Hi Sam. I have a 2016 Hornby Henry from the Thomas & Friends range. Do you know if the railroad or super-detailed 2004 was used as the basis for that model?
@BarbaraMiles-z7u
2 ай бұрын
Purchased R2321 BR 45455 a few years ago, it is a nice performing engine. Plough equiped for us modellers in Canada.
@andrewhotston983
4 ай бұрын
The only new Hornby Black 5 I'll be buying is the Caprotti one available only direct from Hornby (sadly) - I'm perfectly happy with my older loco-drive ones.
@garyauer1691
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam , I have a Hornby R3805 in BR late crested black, I’m not sure if you would say that it is a black five or not , but it certainly looks like one and was released in 2019.
@Laticity
4 ай бұрын
You read my mind Sam. Wanted a Black5 for a while and was waiting on the new release, needless to say I didn't get the new one.
@billywindsock9597
4 ай бұрын
The 2000’s Black Five is the model that got me back in to model railways. It was so much better than anything else I’d seen for years. I think mine was LMS 5052? Does that sound right?
@peternye6199
3 ай бұрын
Hi Sam Very interesting about on Three Black 5 as best one is 2004 model! and I bought second hand few year ago on No 5055 model in non hornby box! but wonder about it which year it is? any one or you sam know it? Cheers!
@Ianshandle999
4 ай бұрын
You can remove th.e tender weight in super detail model to improve pulling power
@karmanline2005
3 ай бұрын
More like this Sam! I was hoping you would include a tender drive version as well. How about a similar study of 8F, including a tender drive version and a Wrenn oldie? Would be good to see how the traction compares as well as the details/finish.
@cbrooks122000
4 ай бұрын
Thanks Sam what a good comparison . I doubt Hornby has changed the gearing so the speeds all come down to the motor. Lets face it that is why Hornby added the lights, to persuade us to ditch our old models and buy the new one. Unfortunately for them, that idea sort of backfired, to me the lights just make the model look tacky.
@thomasfan68
3 ай бұрын
i have a video idea. what if you make a video where you put every single working and serviceable rolling stock and every single serviceable and working engine and you make the engines pull the rolling stock at full power.
@FictionalADDON
2 ай бұрын
I want to like buy the loco driven black 5 but only the chassis because I wanted to like scratch built the body but sorta simplified.
@OlivierGabin
4 ай бұрын
Mine is the 2004 version, the first OO engine I had bought back in December 2018. I'm betting this model would be sold in the Railroad range sooner or later. Anyway, I took her out of storage recently for a running session with some LMS new wagons I had bought recently. Nice puller, does the job perfectly.
@JamesRailwayAdventure
4 ай бұрын
Sam will you ever consider getting any of the bachmann Thomas and friends rolling stock At least I know what black 5 to choose now so cheers for that
@zedhol
3 ай бұрын
Interesting video comparison, though I would have like to have seen a dimensional comparison between each model as well against published details.
@alanfbrookes9771
4 ай бұрын
Why on earth would they paint the wheel bosses white? Crazy. Over the years I saw most of the "Blackies", but I never saw one with white wheel bosses. What were they thinking?
@steamsearcher
3 ай бұрын
£56.00 for our 2004 version got a an exhibition about 2016 runs superbly. David and Lily.
@hughoconnor9172
4 ай бұрын
The first thing I'd do with the 2024 version would be to blacken the wheel centres they look ridiculous as is the price!
@_RandomPea
4 ай бұрын
Hey sam, I've got the tender driven and loco one that you showed. I love the loco driven one from the 2000s. It seems to run incredibly well. I might have to oil it soon, and it's probably the most expensive loco I've ever bought 2nd hand but pretty happy all the same ☺️
@gerardburton3741
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, I have several Black 5's Including a mint original Silver Seal engine from 1977.
@OldSonyMan
4 ай бұрын
My eyes don't work good enough to appreciate the extra 'bits' on the new model ! I never knew about the diecast tender in the loco drive one, the first thing that sprung to my mind was to fit a motor in the tender as well to create a super pulling power locomotive ! I'm off to find out if my loco driven 'princess' also has a diecast tender chassis !
@martinwarm4041
3 ай бұрын
Hornby Thomas 'Henry' is based on the Black 5..great runner as a loco driven one 👍
@ShukakuTheCrazy1
3 ай бұрын
Interesting comparisons. I think ill have to see if theres a black 5 out there with my name on it. The closest i have to it is an ertle Henry
@cdyvids22
4 ай бұрын
I wonder if someone will try to fit the tender drive unit to te railroad black 5 and have a double motor like that schools class
@booshingawa7164
4 ай бұрын
Will you be trying the “new” 8F? Would love to see your opinion.
@hectorz9555
4 ай бұрын
So, how many other companies made black fives aside from hornby?
@creativeproductions7940
4 ай бұрын
you should review Bachmann devious diesel, you haven't done him yet i believe
@evanescecse
4 ай бұрын
Hi Sam good review I have a 2004 version and it runs flawlessly and definitely won’t be changing it 👍
@modelrailfan37
4 ай бұрын
Glad to hear the 2004 ones are so good! Thinking I’ll buy one of them second hand instead of the new tooled one!!
@evanescecse
4 ай бұрын
@@modelrailfan37 yeah I bought mine second hand about 4 years ago👍and yep second hand is definitely the way to go providing you get a good one 👍
@modelrailfan37
4 ай бұрын
@@evanescecse very well said!!
@dutydruidfilms11
4 ай бұрын
It’ll be time until the 2004 black 5 is in the railroad+ range!
@RichardBough-yk2ei
4 ай бұрын
The roof on cabs are different Sam thanks for comparrsion
@davidmolin8944
4 ай бұрын
Hornby seems to really have a strange history with the black 5s lol
@IainDavies-z2l
3 ай бұрын
What should it's 1/76 scale weight be?
@mikeking2539
4 ай бұрын
Perhaps Accurascale should get one on the market and see if they can blow the Hornby one out of the water!
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
haha you're right - it's a pity Hornby did a new tooled one, otherwise we might have seen Accurascale do it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@modelrailfan37
4 ай бұрын
I don’t think Accurascale need to do it seeing as all the Hornby ones are decent in their own ways. Honestly I’m thinking I might pick up one of the 2004 ones, and that’s coming from someone who has lots of the most recent Bachmann locos and has lots of Rapido stuff on order!!
@garrymartin6474
4 ай бұрын
Excellent information Sam, Cheers !
@star86703
4 ай бұрын
Brilliant video as always Sam's trains👍😊🤩😎
@DMIRyellowstoneFan
3 ай бұрын
This is one of those cases where the old one is better than the new one
@haydonsbusinessboysgarage
4 ай бұрын
also sam what is the best hornby train to start with
@alanwagstaff16
4 ай бұрын
So I have heard . Even Hornby have said that they are finding that there is a lot of issues with the new black 5's. Stick with the old one for now
@SamsTrains
4 ай бұрын
I think so yeah - that or wait until they've fixed their new one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@GronkstonModelRailway
4 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t buy any, I’d have an Ellis Clarke O gauge 😂
@osimodfrance7279
4 ай бұрын
...Yes I agree and my Ellis Clarke 0 Gauge Black 5 is really excellent. Very pleased with the wonderful detail and it just looks superb .......... See also Jenny Kirk's review of it
@sailingschooners8668
3 ай бұрын
Do Bachmann produce this loco ?
@sonofair
4 ай бұрын
i got an old black 5 a limited edition one
@BritishThomasGuy
4 ай бұрын
i’d just buy the hornby Henry😭
@HeyItsAJOmega
4 ай бұрын
Watching this at 535 views feels like a nice coincidence - guess it only would've been better if it was 555 views 🤣 Also, how fascinating comparing different generations of models - I did something similar comparing the latest Bachmann Class 37, my one from 2014, and the one you reviewed from 2010! Ultimately, as detailed as the latest model is, the fact it cost over £200 for a vanilla DCC ready model compared to the 2010/14 editions being far cheaper while still overall being great models, makes the decision far more of a no-brainer than you might expect! People talk about how expensive and inaccessible model railways are now, but as gorgeous and detailed etc as brand new models are, often models from the past 10-15 years are still just as good and operate just as well for a fraction of the price - and without having to scramble onto lengthy pre-order lists that because of artificial scarcity and FOMO end up selling out in minutes!
@ItsTrainFun
4 ай бұрын
Only thing I have to say about pricing is: you are comparing a old model with a brand new one. So that's like comparing old (not yet but almost having mold) bread and new baked bread by taste but calling them both brand new
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