CORRECTION: I meant ENGINEEERS, not grenadiers when talking in the Death Korps section - the engineers are the shotgun ones with the gas bombs, the grenadiers are their now-discontinued storm troopers sorry!
@theJedikid123
Жыл бұрын
Yeah grenadiers where discontinued a while ago.
@joenewkirk6136
Жыл бұрын
I mean, we all knew them for the Grenadiers strat, so your mind was in the right place.
@shigeolincolntaco
Жыл бұрын
You forgot about The Praetorian Guard
@Ridemaster-
Жыл бұрын
I am just going to paint identifier marks and run my DKoK Grenadiers as Kasrkin and Scions.
@gilberto4508
Жыл бұрын
Aren't they pioneers?
@adept5500
Жыл бұрын
I find it funny that we are at the point of converting Krieg into Steel Legion, when the Deathcorp were first presented as an alternate paint scheme for the Armageddon models.
@reddragon4482
Жыл бұрын
Pity Catachan Jungle Fighters don't have a great range. I remember the old art for them that made me interested in doing weights ages ago lol. They really are badass.
@Chasemcloud5745
Жыл бұрын
Yea f anyone is crying out for a range refresh it is them. Sadly I can’t see it after they have just done Cadia
@reddragon4482
Жыл бұрын
@@Chasemcloud5745 There is probably good 3D prints of them but doubt GW will make new ruiles for them when they don't have new expensive models to sell us lol. They are so mercenary lol.
@MrBahema
Жыл бұрын
Hey I think the Krieg Engineers have Shotguns and Gas Bombs, not Grenadiers, which get Hot-Shot Lasguns. Not that big but I thought I’d point that out
@auspextactics
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, got the names confused there for some reason, I've pinned a correction above!
@DasVadderr
Жыл бұрын
If we look at the models, it´s clear that in GW´s eyes, there´s only Cadians.
@derpherp7432
Жыл бұрын
Guard players are basically guaranteed to get swamped with regiment updates in 2023, not to mention the new stuff guard players have had in the last few months. The complaining is a bit much when there are other factions with far less or no updates and nothing on the horizon.
@anthonyplayter2981
Жыл бұрын
@@derpherp7432 everyone said that in 8th.
@drizzziit1
Жыл бұрын
They can't make 6-7 ranges tho. Cadians are classic and reliable so they have a range. Krieg has a full kill team and forge world. Vehicles are interchangeables for every single army since they are mass produced. Really only Catachan has been treated poorly, and i'd say Tallarn, vostroyan and Steel legion (if Yarick returns especially) would deserve an infantry kit since these really stand out to me.
@anthonyplayter2981
Жыл бұрын
@@drizzziit1 there was nothing wrong with single pose models, just bring them back in resin blisters.
@derpherp7432
Жыл бұрын
@@anthonyplayter2981 No they didn't. There was no model as major as the Dorn, and there was nothing like the flood of rumours and hints we are seeing now.
@HighlandPhoenix
Жыл бұрын
Catachan Jungle Fighters should have got a Heavy flamer in unit selection (bake that into the excessively higher additional points), along with the two Flamers... Why GW couldn't pull their finger out and also release new models is again beyond me!
@OmnisKorrecta
Жыл бұрын
I think they may be planning that cos some of those rumour engines looked a bit like Catachans.
@Chris-jl6vp
Жыл бұрын
They're gonna need more than a flamer for how nerfed they've gotten for basically no real reason.
@marasmusine
Жыл бұрын
And I can't fathom why the sergeants don't get any options. It's supposed to be a melee-focused unit, and the Sgt. can't even have a chainsword. I have metal catachan models with chainswords and bolt pistols - the best I can do is put them in a command squad.
@AsterixCodix
Жыл бұрын
Aren't the standalone Catachan characters they released now unusable as well? The one with the Power Fist, and the other with the Chainsword and Bolter?
@metnah1
Жыл бұрын
Or at least officially license out 3dp files for things not being produced.
@MarcinObuchowski
Жыл бұрын
Unless you really know what you're doing during the list creation, just go born soldiers.
@BR4IN1N4J4R
Жыл бұрын
I'd say either that, or Expert Sharpshooter/Swift as the Wind
@prestonjohnson1537
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. You kinda have to build a specific or gimmicky list to get the most out of the regimental doctrines.
@spoonsrattling
Жыл бұрын
Eh with the overall reduction in volume of fire born soldiers isn't nearly as reliable as it was. Mechanized infantry and heirloom weaponry are both extremely simple to use, or the single reroll is also great.
@BR4IN1N4J4R
Жыл бұрын
Mech is very good, as is the "Vehicles Count for 5" tactic as long as you run vehicles. I adore Mech+Armor for a mixed Infantry/Vehicle list, since your Chimeras/Tauroxes/etc help bolster an objective
@shanehudson3995
Жыл бұрын
@@prestonjohnson1537 Mech Infantry with 3 squads of Karskin in Chimera works well, maybe Bombardiers to use their vox for Artillery.
@ChrisJohnson-vi3ed
Жыл бұрын
I think most normal guard lists will run Born Soldiers as a go-to. However, I think the other regiment traits are interesting enough to build lists around on their own. Blitz division/expert bombadiers with Ursula Creed is going to be interesting. Half your army can be artillery, and the other half can be in strategic reserves with melta-guns.
@jamesmowatt6736
Жыл бұрын
Personally, REALLY tempted to do a small Maccabian Janissaries conversion army. Kitbash the Krieg and the Cadian boxes together, plus a third party appropriate head/helmet.
@dmeep
Жыл бұрын
Do the math on how much each squad will cost you before embarking on a major conversion project. using two boxes for each squad and 3rd party heads on top makes it twice as expensive. You may come to the conclusion that your vision is worth the extra cash and thats ok. Better doing math then realising down the line how unfeasible it is but sunk cost fallacy driving you further..
@jamesmowatt6736
Жыл бұрын
@@dmeep Oh, if I was to embark on this endeavour it would probably just be either a Kill Team or AT MOST a 500pt Combat Patrol. Yeah, I’m not made of money. I learned that when I priced up the cost of making a 5-man Bladeguard Veteran squad using the Black Templar Sword Brethren as the main base. £100~ is a bit rich for my tastes.
@CMTechnica
Жыл бұрын
The Krieg boxes are extremely kitbash *unfriendly*
@jamesmowatt6736
Жыл бұрын
@@CMTechnica Thats sad to hear.
@carcionpetto
Жыл бұрын
liber daemonica should have some on point helmets
@kevlonk
Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking of a Penal Legion/Necromundan Hive Militia regiment, so for theme I'd go for Veteran Guerillas (due to their experience fighting skirmishes in an urban sprawl) plus either Recon Operators, Elite Sharpshooters or Brutal Strength.
@onionhat745
Жыл бұрын
I've wanted to run some Vostroyans for the longest time.
@IvanIssaccs
Жыл бұрын
If they'd update the catachans, Id start buyng em.
@HostileGG
Жыл бұрын
Same here, i wanted to start a Catachan army then i saw the new Cadian and decided not to go for an IG army ...
@thesheeteels8252
Жыл бұрын
Wargames Atlantic Space Nam
@HostileGG
Жыл бұрын
@@thesheeteels8252 We dont want proxy, we want real catachans.
@longhunter5935
Жыл бұрын
With these rules? As a long time (end of 7e) catachan player these rules and the higher troop tax leaves me…unenthusiastic.
@ecth97
Жыл бұрын
The Parade Drill rule should at least get to stack with First Rank Fire, then it would at least have a place in the game
@robertwilson5475
Жыл бұрын
5 shots from lasguns would be incredible. That the bonus is undone by FRFSRF, or there isnt another bonus to giving up movement means its actually quite bad.
@PurpleDingoPress
Жыл бұрын
Both parade drill and first rank fire make lasguns heavy weapons. If you stacked parade drill with brutal strength, couldn't you theoretically turn each lasgun into heavy 5 with first rank fire, but without the movement penalty? The amount of lasfire from even a single squad would be insane, let alone multiple squads working in concert.
@finncaudle2585
Жыл бұрын
@@PurpleDingoPress Parade drill only works when you stand still.
@isaacchapman7628
Жыл бұрын
I've always been a Tallarn man, but I have some Cadians(Like the 120 conscripts I bought from a friend a couple years ago) so it is cool that I can field all my stuff and give them different rules. I do wish that each regiment got a datasheet like Cadian Shock Troops or Catachan Jungle Fighters, it'd be cool to have a squad of Valhallans that got folded in from a shattered company(bought for cheap off ebay), or my own Tallarn, but I suppose it wouldn't work to have the troops section of our codex be longer than 3 other sections put together.
@thehiddenheretic
Жыл бұрын
If you run valhallans and tallarn together be sure to field their secret god Cain
@x-tremex-wing
Жыл бұрын
@Auspex Tactics Praetorian Guard we’re mentioned in the comments all ready, but just thought I’d point out that Gaunts Ghosts were a metal kit back in 3rd edition. They had a command squad with Gaunt , Doc and a Piper etc they also released a small amount of Tanith first models which had different lasgun sculpts and a plasma gun
@DarrinSK
Жыл бұрын
The obvious answer is GET TO THE CHOPPA! (catachan). The few modern catachans they have released have been freaking amazing. It would be awesome to see some line troops released for them
@gunit3506
Жыл бұрын
I'm currently theory crafting on this mix, elite sharpshooters & brutal strength Don't care for the strength boost but the ability to move heavy weapons (which I've a load of and am loathed to stick into dedicated heavy weapon squads) combined with a re-roll could be game-changing Consider 6 regular troop squads with missile/las, plus plasma/nade launchers. Run around all they want, fire the heavy one shot, re-roll if needed, if not, fire special and re-roll if needed. A 50% hit rate to 75% hit rate among that number of heavy/special weapons I'd like to hope would make a dent in most armies Combine with a vanquisher Russ and I could be making even more than a dent. Assuming this all doesn't get made redundant by 10th edition or something
@monkeyhammer
Жыл бұрын
Probably worth keeping an eye on the GW release schedule around the full guard launch, it's likely some of the old regiments are going to be made to order around that time.
@LeCharles07
Жыл бұрын
Doubt it.
@monkeyhammer
Жыл бұрын
@@LeCharles07 well they have brought them back before and they regularly do a made to order run of metal minis alongside new codex releases
@radiospace7071
Жыл бұрын
@@monkeyhammer problem is the fact that some regiments will not get supported anymore like others. For example we could get some Armageddon but some might be mad of no Praetorian and such. Different sculpts would be nice to see but not every regiment will get supported.
@monkeyhammer
Жыл бұрын
@@radiospace7071 well it's not ideal, but if you're in the market to pick them up anyway it's better than paying £10 to £20 per model for basic guard infantry on eBay. Just something to look out for if you are thinking about building a non cadian/Kreig/catachan force.
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
If they do, I think I'll round out my Steel Legion and pick up a decent variety of Valhallans. Then I start making molds.
@masongrae5010
Жыл бұрын
“Which regiment to choose?” *breaths heavily through mask* *Grips shovel tightly*
@kevtzke2314
Жыл бұрын
A man of culture I see
@CMTechnica
Жыл бұрын
“Grips shovel” More like grips cringe, but that’s just your average Krieg fan
@ChristianHagood
Жыл бұрын
@@CMTechnica yep this comment right here, grab the shovels comrades
@dominicl5862
Жыл бұрын
@@ChristianHagood look at the profile pic XD
@equos5060
Жыл бұрын
So many Blood Bowl teams, Warcry warbands and Necromunda gangs.... but we get only THREE plastic infantry options? One of which is like 20 years old... that's bullshit GW.
@keenanmccarty9925
Жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of combining expert bombardiers with recon operators in an artillery list. Especially with the Feild guns being both artillery and platoon and buffable with creed. A couple of units of those heavy lascannons on turn one can really make it a bad day for whatever your opponents biggest thing is with some scout sentinels and move-move-move guardsmen putting everything in range of the buff
@dudebromanguy
Жыл бұрын
I really wish Heavy Weapon Teams also got the Artillery keyword. I just think Cadian Shock Troops + Born Soldiers is vastly superior, but if Expert Bombardiers would benefit HWTs, I'd consider running regular infantry squads with heavy weapons.
@airesbattleblade732
Жыл бұрын
Or perhaps just the Heavy Weapons Squads choice. Give them a vox as well and allow them to act as back line or flanking fire support, without an officer to babysit them.
@TrilainaBloodwind
Жыл бұрын
For those not scared of green stuff wanting to do Vostroyan First Born, go check out Battle Brothers Tabletop. Ben does an awesome video showing you how to mold with green stuff to convert the kits from the DKoK kit and some spare heads into Vostroyans. His models look absolutely amazing.
@samontiveros1539
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! This somehow led me to Pete the Wargamer's Valhallan conversion using the DKoK kit and greenstuff. I will now be able to follow my warhammer dreams and make the Valhallan 597th!
@TrilainaBloodwind
Жыл бұрын
@@samontiveros1539 Glad this led to helping someone! I'm personally a fan of the Krieg and terrified of green stuff, so I'm just going to be building the kit as-is xD But looking forward to hearing your escapades into a new Guard army :D
@tomroeser5828
Жыл бұрын
You have quickly become my first stop for 40k information. Zero fat to trim off your vids, thanks for the hard work :)
@oitoitoi1
Жыл бұрын
Noteable other regiments you say? WHERE ARE MY PRAETORIANS SAH?! *moustaches bristles*
@jorzolek01
Жыл бұрын
I just want Tanith models. I would probably play them as born soldiers for simplicity. They just have the coolest lore.
@SilasGrieves
Жыл бұрын
Me too, man. Me too. I’m relatively new to 40k but I absolutely love everything about Tanith. I’ve read all the books and I’m just dying to make the First and Only in 9th edition. I’m seriously considering kit bashing Catachan Jungle Fighter models with some green stuff to give them camo cloaks. I think my biggest struggle with be trying to create a lore friendly competitive Tanith list. Excited to try though.
@wolfhunter98
Жыл бұрын
More then ever I want to get a platoon of each unit that has models and field them in one mixed blob.
@anthonyplayter2981
Жыл бұрын
Vostroyans because I like them
@mcole5780
Жыл бұрын
It feels to me like they are going to release more kill teams in the future for different regiments. I hope they release more plastic regiment kits, it feels like with the mixed regiments that’s the direction they’re headed. Having a variety of troop options and being able to mix them would be really cool.
@benbaxter1047
Жыл бұрын
I have a large collection of Catachan Jungle Fighters since 3rd edition including metal models. I was hoping they would get good rules and new upgrades but I guess GW doesn't need my support. I never liked the plastic Cadian models but Creed, Kelly and Pask were good models. I might use a tank regiment instead.
@user-gw7xb9qm7o
Жыл бұрын
it looks as if the price for them and the Cadians were mixed up
@fox21231
Жыл бұрын
It really sucks we have to choose between regimental traits and hammer now, before we got both and had cheaper infantry and better FRFSRF.
@Ulfhednir9
Жыл бұрын
Dkok doctrine would work well spamming overcharge lasguns, if they overheat the rest of the squad gets +1 to hit
@alpharius3661
Жыл бұрын
Ok I’ll be honest, I kinda hate Born Soldiers. It’s just a better subfaction that makes the gaurd so much less unique. I know I can’t control what other people play but if I know gaurd players they would choose the more creative, unique, and personal subfaction maker over the boring better one every time
@zacharykoplin6543
Жыл бұрын
Made a preliminary list with the complete rules video, actually seems ok
@Green_87
Жыл бұрын
The vostroyan firstborn seem like an expensive conversion route but I really like their design
@wil120mm1
11 ай бұрын
Vehicles look amazing
@thesheeteels8252
Жыл бұрын
I never felt that combined regiments were at the squad level. Company and maybe Platoon level. I do like flexibility and variety, though. So it’s hard to really find fault. I hope they continue to release new squads through kill team and get back to having a healthy spread of regiments.
@intense_pickle
Жыл бұрын
Forge World used to be the place for guard models...You might be lucky enough to score some Deathcorps or Elysian droop troops models online for cheap.
@joahnaut
Жыл бұрын
Buy third party.
@Mr_Waffle.
Жыл бұрын
Nice rundown, thank you. Personally I like that we can use anyone we want without penalty now, there's so many cool looking regiments out there. I hope I can make a squad of Maccabian Janissaries and Indigan Praefects one day, love their designs.
@coltonlong7562
Жыл бұрын
I'm going to be turning new Cadians into Konig Armored, using some older models bought second hand (their officers, old tank/chimera commanders). I like their colors, their art is good if sparse, and they just sound cool. Ultra tankers.
@richarddixon1450
Жыл бұрын
Think this new doctrine system may lead to more people creating custom regiments. With cool kit bashes to go with. Loads of necromunda models make great starts to your own regiments.
@thehiddenheretic
Жыл бұрын
And if they touch a single 3rd party/printed bit get banned for life for being filthy thieves. And with the whole "no options not found in a single kit" rules direction the army books are going I don't think it would be surprising if we hit the point where even 100% GW conversions become frowned upon. I'm pretty sure the only logical reason is GW got it in their heads that new players are stupid and easily confused about how to get these extra bit and just quit in angry and confused rages when they don't see a meltagun in the catachan box and can't figure out how to take them from a command box lol.
@richarddixon1450
Жыл бұрын
@@thehiddenheretic dude. I'm just talking about kit bashing cool models lol. Chill.
@thehiddenheretic
Жыл бұрын
@@richarddixon1450 not really anything to chill, I'm just pointing out that GW is making it clear that they really want us using as few boxes as possible per unit, whereas not even a decade ago they were still showcasing and explaining cool conversions in WD
@richarddixon1450
Жыл бұрын
@@thehiddenheretic gotta be honest here dude and say that I think you are talking complete and utter rubbish. Gw show off converted models all the time. Support independent content creatators like Pete the wargamer who only does conversions. And the rules in the guard codex actively encourage being creative with ya models. And army build.
@thehiddenheretic
Жыл бұрын
@@richarddixon1450 I was half joking when I first respomded, but I do hope you are right. You probably are but why are all the books coming out with box only unit options? Meltaguns again as an example with catachan squads is possible with a command team box but we get limited to 2 flamers? Special Weapon Squads? This has been happening for a bit and I have very little faith in GW as an entity, they make bad decisions all the time and this wouldn't even rank against a lot of those decisions. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that conversions allowed for 3rd party/printed parts as long as they were limited to 1 or 2 pieces. Any form of creativity stifling in the hobby is bad and I just don't like it.
@cadian9432
Жыл бұрын
I would choose Kreig, but I just don’t have the pockets.
@y2j1490yahoo
Жыл бұрын
There are so many 3rd party models at this point your comment is pointless.
@jack-a-lopium
Жыл бұрын
The Guard Regiment I choose is Brood Brothers, I'm planning a Genestealer Cults army. My idea is to have them be Afrika Korps themed, use a bunch of Ash Wastes miniatures from Necromunda, and the vehicles'll be converted WW2 Afrika Korps armoured cars from Bolt Action. I'm the only person on Earth who doesn't actually like the look of GsC vehicles. That's the plan, anyway...
@sjhhej
Жыл бұрын
Praetorian
@aidenwasson7489
Жыл бұрын
So you could feild an regiement with only cav you just need to run lord solar in an outrider detachment fill it up with three units of rough riders and with what ever you got left go heavy on tanks and blitz your enemy
@Zel_Kova
Жыл бұрын
The fact scions only get 'exploding 6's is so abysmal compared to the other regiment choices. The Taurox Prime doesnt even get that either. Utter failure for both thematic and fun.
@MarcinObuchowski
Жыл бұрын
Wrong on that account. Check out mordian glory. If you play pure scions, the relicts and traits you get basically amount to having 2-3 army traits from the previous psychic awakening. They literally can do full range rapid fire with +2 ap ignores cover
@coltonlong7562
Жыл бұрын
>within 6 inches Ah yes, let me play my scions as a super castle.
@chraiflame6631
Жыл бұрын
@@MarcinObuchowski 2-3 army traits? Yeah, that's only true if you consider stuff like 'having 24" lasguns' and things like that separate regimental traits. By that logic, the whole guard codex got access to the Lambdan Lions doctrine because of the take aim order. That video is the epitome of looking at a pile of turd and somehow seeing it sparkle.
@Zel_Kova
Жыл бұрын
Taurox primes are hot garbage unless you take the missile launcher, Then its lukewarm garbage. The exploding 6's have always been weak. We can't stack up on special weapons anymore beyond 2 at a time. You now rely 100% on your 2 character traits. Nothing applies to Tauroxes or Valkyries. Just infantry. None of the fun regiment traits in this codex apply. Ive been playing scions sense 7th edition and this is a pile of trash sprinkled with some sparkly dust. Among what others have already replied with. Auspex putting them as 'playing guard as hard mode' is putting it lightly right now.
@sparrowsbewertungen6930
Жыл бұрын
I just got a combat patrol, and just paint my Cadians in another coloursceme , making them my own force
@sparrowsbewertungen6930
Жыл бұрын
(Looking closely like Mordians by their coloursceme)
@Wandering_Goliath
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the Praetorian Guard was not in the video doesn’t surprise me, but it is a shame for how little representation my pith helmeted gentle men and women get. Tally Ho and what what.
@petejobson5036
Жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing
@liamholt5623
Жыл бұрын
Everybody says Creed was captured by Trollzyn, but if I remember it correctly - wasn't he actually saved? Wasn't he approached by Trazyn as the world was going down and told something akin to "come, your time has not come yet?" Its not like Trazyn dosn't love a little goodhearted messing-about - like sending a live Tesseract Labyrinth as a gift to an Inquisitor and challenged her to get out of it. Or like when he stole the god-forsaken ancient Bell artifact that started messing up his lair - he simply yeeted the thing into the webway.
@janberkemeier7406
Жыл бұрын
Trazyn told him "Eternity awaits", so it seems like ol' Ursarkar has been added to the "Cool Dudes"-wing of Trazyn's collection, probably in the same hallway as Sebastian Thor's head
@killerkriegsman85
Жыл бұрын
Engineers are the shotgun troops with mole launcher teams not grenadiers.
@killerkriegsman85
Жыл бұрын
Grenadiers are in ledgends now along with the Gorgon transport.
@coldsteel.and.courage
Жыл бұрын
Catachan is where it's at. Who knows if I can make it competitive, but I'm going to certainly give it a shot. I may just field regular line infantry squads though, that way I can take advantage of the mobile heavy weapons with brutal strength and cover denial with veteran guerillas.
@user-xb1wh5mt4l
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I dream of more exclusive units for various regiments: airmobile light tanks for the Elysians, Cossack-style cavalry for Vostroyans, some kind of WWI super-heavy for Krieg with heavy sponson guns and something with a lot of turrets for the Valhallans.
@foxdavion6865
Жыл бұрын
I think Catachan were done dirty purely because Games Workshop is intentionally making their rules bad to discourage people from buying the models because they have no intention of renewing Catachan; I mean the only way you can get Jungle Fighters is to order them online and they send you 24 year old metal figurines in a generic GW white box, they don't even make the Catachan blisters or model boxes anymore, haven't since 2005 and on top of this they are all dwindling old new stock from a warehouse; So rather than update them with plastic replacements, they'd rather just keep selling the old stock and since they're running out, they're making the units crap to discourage people purchasing them so they can quietly phase them out. In other words, they wanted to get rid of them like they did with Mordians, Tallarn, Steel Legion and Valhallan (all 3rd edition models and they all had their own codexes too - either as a supplement book with 12 pages or an issue of White Dwarf), but because they were so popular with Gen X and Y players of the game, GW knew if they got rid of them outright like these did, the only age group who bought IG models within the hobby would get super mad and would stop buying models, so they didn't. As for Vostroyan Firstborn, GW had *a lot* of new old stock metal models for these as they were not very popular sale during 3rd edition, they didn't actually print them to order as they told the public, they were trying to get rid of new old stock and BSing about doing limited runs to encourage a quick fire sale due to taking advantage of FOMO (which GW often does) because they wanted to get rid of them quick for some reason. Oh a little fun fact about the Vostroyan, not only are their weapons ancient hand-e-down relics, their clothing style is equally extremely archaic, because their uniforms are in the style of the Excertus Imperialis, the precursor to the Astra Militarum of the Great Crusade era; A uniform style which was replaced after the Horus Heresy with Guilliman's reforms which lead to the creation of the Astra Militarum and the style of uniform used by most of the Imperial Guard for the next 9 thousand years; Yet for some reason the Vostroyans still use it.
@teambellavsteamalice
Жыл бұрын
I'd favor generic conscripts like troops with regiment veterans as sargents and specialists (like 1 in 5). And full regimental elite troops (with HQ instead of a sarge) with any chosen bonus, regardless of aesthetics. Any troops whose sarge is within 6"/12" of an HQ can get the boost as well. This makes imperial guard less vulnerable to the flavor of the month meta. I expect a few huge changes in 10th. Instead of removing the Toughness roll altogether, they could introduce an autowound if S at least 3xT. Next most light infantry could be rebalanced as T2 and a 6+ or no save. Some weapons, flamers and frag, should never have any AP but could get an extra S (small S4 and large S6) or be cheaper. This in turn makes fully armoured infantry stand out more with T3 and a 5+ save, 4+ for light power armor. Rebalance point cost, possibly by making transports cheaper or allow move plus disembark and more benefit of cover. I'd tone down AP and buffs to it, so armor becomes more relevant. Buffs like doctrines should only buff AP up to half range. You could allow multiple to be in effect with this toned down version. Like having more S6, it would save some rolls to have more S9 weapons. Like melta weapons I'd have as S7 -2 and S9-3 at half range. Optionally I'd make multimeltas have 2 shots of 2(3) damage instead of 1*D6(+2). Single meltas can then be a single shot. I'd have the range at 24" H or 18" As. Plasma should be more forgiving, getting one or more "hot" counters at a natural 1 and only risking wounds when overcharging when hot. The damage profile could be S9 -2 D6 when overcharging. With a random number of shots it can be fun and extremely variable. The regular shots could be kept as is, or reduced to 6 -1 1. I also expect more focus on tactical movement and limitation to vehicles. For instance, the outer 6" and one path through the map could be passable for non-walker vehicles and all other is difficult terrain. This lowers movement (unless one has grav boots, jump packs, etc) but provides at least light cover. Vehicles can be compensated by getting the doctrine style AP bonus at half range as default. In addition (if they can't already) they should always be able to shoot, even in engagement range or when falling back, at no penalty. Their movement may count as free attacks on any target 3 T lower in their way. I'd see the cover effect merged with the invul part of the armor save swapped with the wound roll. This now reversed roll normally can be skipped (a 1+) but has all the precision effects of wound rolls (like sniping on a roll of 6). Light, dense and full cover increase the needed number. A 5++ or 6++ invul adds 1, a normal 3++ or 4++ save adds 2 and some shielding may improve cover by one level if beyond a certain range (12" or 18"). Ion Shields may add three (so you need a 4++ as attacker) but only full cover (50% obscured) can add 1. This setup makes armor and AP remain effective regardless of invuls. Barrage weapons should be nice but situational. Like they always have a -2 to hit if no LOS, a -1 if they or any ally has LOS, but ignore one or two levels of cover. Missiles/rockets should never get the doctrine/vehicle AP bonus at half range, but be boosted to 9 -2 D6 krak or 6 0 1 frag. These can be made the cheap alternative to the (9 -3/-4 D6) lascannon, and introduce a point defence aspect as a counter. Something like overwatch vs incoming rockets. Bolt weapons should be reduced in number and standardized to 4 -1 1 for regular. The type and range changes from 12" Pi, 18" As2, 24" RF1 or H2, +6" if a 2H rifle. A special issue As2 24" would be an upgrade for either regular or carbine. I'd make bike guns and aggressor guantlet gun twin linked carbines As4 18" (tlc) and Stormbolters the special issue As4 24" version. Special issue gives access to Special Issue Ammo, which has half range and either adds an AP or gives S8 vs non-vehicles. Sisters and Grey Knights may have blessed bolts with bonuses vs psychic and daemonic targets. Heavy bolters I'd dub "bolt cannons) I'd keep as 36" H3 5 -1 2 next to a H2 7 -1 3 autocannon brother. This last to offset a very common appearance of a -1 damage defence.
@antillies
11 ай бұрын
Cool video, but I wish you had a segment for praetorians as I am a new player and my first army is imperial guard and I am currently in the process of converting my whole army to Praetorians.
@danhay2505
Жыл бұрын
If you run a list with a focus on LOTS of Lasguns with only weapons that have the Heavy tag, then going Parade Drill + Brutal Strength could actually be rather good - especially if you combine it with Take Aim! That’s 18 shots per squad at 24” hitting on 3+ with AP-1, keeping Marines at a 3+… In addition to that, you can move the squads away from the enemy, and still keep unloading at maximum capacity!
@hammock1804
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping the new codex gave you the option to go traitor and give rules for certain regiments like the Sons of Sek or the Blood Pact
@CMTechnica
Жыл бұрын
Then pick up CSM and run traitor guard
@hammock1804
Жыл бұрын
@@CMTechnica That's not even a solution, you can't have more cultists than Marines so it wouldn't be a legal list
@battleshipman56
Жыл бұрын
Wish they brought back valhallan ice warriors, so I could complete my fucking army which has been sitting idle for 14 years
@anonymousprime9151
Жыл бұрын
Auspex where are my praetorians ay? how could you forget the most dapper guard in the galaxy ?
@markhohenbrink5230
Жыл бұрын
If GW wants to buff the Krieg and Catachan squad, they should make the Shock Troops 85 points, Krieg 75 points, and Catachans at 65 points. The Shock Troops are just too efficient when you look at their supposedly "better" competitors if you go buy points.
@JaySharp604
Жыл бұрын
Armageddon Steel Legion! RIP Ol' Bale Eye.
@AgeofGuns
Жыл бұрын
I'm wanting to do a Ventrillian Nobles regiment that's also inspired from WHFB Empire troops. I plan on basing them off of the 95th Rifles from Sharpe.
@MickeyMulligan
Жыл бұрын
I like what they did with the troop choices. Hate they got rid of weapon squads, vets and conscripts.
@DarrinSK
Жыл бұрын
mechanized + veteran guerillas or born soldiers seems really good. blitz up the board and put down the hurt taking objectives
@badger5025
Жыл бұрын
I’m using cadian shock troop rules and models and painting them as vresh grenadiers because I like the blue flak armour
@MrFrenchass
Жыл бұрын
Standard infantry squads with heavy weapons teams and no named charachters all the way ! :P
@tybaltmarr2158
Жыл бұрын
Looks like I’m taking parade drill and elite sharpshooters for my mordian collection. So many lascannon rerolls if every squad has one
@BentJacket
Жыл бұрын
question: If I over charge my plasma and lose the guy to rolling a 1, do the rest of the unit get the plus to hit from cult of sacrifice? or are all the shots considered "at the same time"?
@an000n
Жыл бұрын
I want to make an army with one squad from each regiment, that would be fun
@endlesswaffles6504
Жыл бұрын
I feel like historical WW1/WW2 infantry could work for DKOK, Steel Legion, or Valhallans with a bit of conversion. It would be pretty cheap overall.
@ElohimJim
Жыл бұрын
Thats what I have been doing, using Wargames Atlantics WW1 french with German gasmask heads. Simple and really cheap.
@Fisthammet
Жыл бұрын
Death fields infantry are OK value too.
@BlueGoblin1
10 ай бұрын
I think catachan infantry in mass is more like a fas deployment force. If ypu pair your massed infantry with scout sentinals with las cannons and hunter killers. They all get to deploy as scouts and sieze objectives early. And lay down fiields of fire and efectively screen for other more heavy hitters or weapons teams in the back. Heck even usi g transports all of those transports will be able to start off 6" deeper into the board. The two thing they should change even if it makes them even more pricey is that they need their higher Str back. And they need infiltrate. It is lore friendly it matches the visual asthetics to the minis. It is also possible to leave the strength as is. Instead adding the different knives they use giving them unique stats and abilities. Making it so the disntguishing characteristic of your squad is its choice in cutlery. I personally dont see the reason we cant have catachan with beter weapon upgrades either. The officer especially.
@christianwalters4062
Жыл бұрын
I got Sgt. Ripper Jackson and I'm def gonna proxi her as iron hand straken and just call her iron leg Jackson
@Abaddon86
Жыл бұрын
I always go for Catachan and Tanith 1st and only.
@NemFX
Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I kinda hate the plastic Kreig. The forgeworld ones were too tiny, but then when you read in lore, they are literally child soldiers who barely reach their 20s, it makes sense. Now the new plastics are bigger than Cadians.
@ThatOneKriegGrenadier
Жыл бұрын
Personally thinking of doing grim demeanor for classic cult of sacrifice feeling, and then probably swift as the wind for pregame move or new cult of sacrifice as my Krieg army is mostly grenadiers anyway, a bit more tough. I kinda want to keep it fluffy.
@Alpharius2479
Жыл бұрын
I am running expert bombadiers+grim demeanor with the full intension of bombing guard squads stuck in melee
@TheRandomaccount321
Жыл бұрын
I feel like parade drill is getting sold short, surely it would combo well with brutal strength as you could get some extra shots without having to use FRFSRF, allowing you to use take aim instead? + infantry squads become more viable because of their heavy weapons teams and extra strength + fix bayonets is situationally useful to finish off weakened enemies
@fox21231
Жыл бұрын
Its all just worse than what we had before and before infantry were still shit.
@DavidSharpMSc
Жыл бұрын
Valhallans were always my favourite.
@cameronwatts5989
Жыл бұрын
Pity Steel Legion models are OOP. Definately some of the best guard models available.
@janberkemeier7406
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame the Guard Codex was released with 10E already on the horizon, both the Crusade rules and Regiment traits were really cool and the latter made it easy and fun to create your own unique regiment.
@Fezwald1
Жыл бұрын
No Pretorians?
@adamcarey6093
Жыл бұрын
Drop troops, new cadians with jet packs, lots of scions for their forward assault units. Lots of sentinels.
@ChrisPrice12
Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking Veteran Guerillas and Armored Superiority. With Kasrkins taking Mechanized Infantry.
@mrsgaap1
Жыл бұрын
i am going Cadian 75th Armoured and making the shadowsword titans bane as my center piece
@drunkenpainter
Жыл бұрын
I am very unsure about the Krieg Armies. is it still possible to field Grenadiers as Legend Troops for a 9th Ed. Death Korps Army? Or do we have to proxy them as Death Korps Kasrkin/Stormtroopers (which in fact they are) And what about the FW Tanks like Macharius Vanquisher? still able to field them or do they break the army because of a lack of Keywords?
@markhohenbrink5230
Жыл бұрын
Currently, any forgeworld models break the army due to keywords. They don't have the Regimental keyword they have the regiment keyword. Im running my Grenadiers and Death riders as Kasrkin and Rough Riders respectively. Id just wish they fix the keywords for Engineers because they can be quite decent for Boots on the Ground secondary.
@Mt-zr5bf
Жыл бұрын
Engeneers! Engeneers, Not Grenadiers! And i think they are still good. Take aim + the stratagem for Elite sharpshooters makes 30 shorts With S4 Ap-2 !
@PelinalDidNothingWrong
Жыл бұрын
Dear GW Plastic Vostroyans when!? Please! I'll buy an entire Guard army! Seriously; such a cool regiment gets so neglected
@adept5500
Жыл бұрын
Great video, but you were killing me at the beginning when you were using “regiment” to refer to Homeworld.
@schizosamurai8840
Жыл бұрын
Recon operators + swift as wind in infantry heavy list for prefectus obsecus army
@commentsfromthefuture3421
Жыл бұрын
God damn Mordain got screwed
@arjunbadeshia2893
Жыл бұрын
I tried collecting krieg but it's so damn expensive I'm probably going to switch armies. Either Tau or Space Marine Successor Chapter
@Bluecho4
Жыл бұрын
Once again, I'm here to shill for Wargames Atlantic, who have a wide selection of Guard proxies in plastic, for a fraction of the cost of GW. I will be outlining the kits by name, followed by the Regiments they can sub in for, and then some notes. Most of these are part of WA's "Death Fields" line, though there are some outliers. (Assume all kits have a regular rifle/lasgun option for all models unless stated otherwise). -Raumjager (Steel Legion, Krieg): One of the earliest kits released, so it has the fewest head and weapon options. But they have some special weapons (Flamer, Plasma), a heavy machinegun that could potentially sub in for a Bolter, and one backpack with an antenna per sprue for cheap voxcasters. -Les Grognards (Vostroyan, Krieg): Easily the most well supported facet of the range, Les Grognards have two kits (Infantry, and Heavy Weapons + Support), with a Raptor Cavalry kit announced. These great-coat wearing figures take key inspiration from Napoleonic France, though they've got a large selection of head options between the two extent kits (in regular and gas mask variants). Flamers, Plasma, Meltas, pistols, and a chain-saber from the infantry kit. Four kinds of heavy weapon from the support kit, along with vox casters, sniper rifles, banners, and power fists. These kits will get you a functional infantry army, complete with HQ choices, so it's a good choice. -Einherjar (Squat Auxilleries, short Valhallans): A kit released before Leagues of Votann were announced, intended to fill the void of Squats. Have grenade launchers, flamers, plasma, and shotguns, as well as hand axes and shields. (Unfortunately, the axes are a bit shorter than the current Votann Berzerks kit). Optional fur collars, for if you want your viking squats to look like cold weather troops. -Cannon Fodder (Penal Legion, PDF, budget Cadian, budget Elysian): Troops in jump suits. Have two kits currently (male and female sculpts), with a Heavy Weapons + Support kit in development. Have fewer special weapons options, only plasma (although the female kit has a scope that can be attached to the lasguns to make a sniper rifle). In return, the main Cannon Fodder kit has 30 models (instead of the normal 24 for Death Fields kits). As well as a number of head options (prisoner, army helmets, space helmets), and parts for prisoner specific equipment (shivs, chains, rope). One of the better sub-ranges for getting a lot of bodies for cheap. -Bulldogs (Praetorian, Mordian, Krieg): British Empire style troops. Plasma, flamer, grenade launcher, pistols. Multiple head options, including gas mask variants. Includes little flavorful touches, like the arm holding a cup of tea. -Ooh Rah (???): A weird one. Patterned after modern US military operators, the likes of which fight in America's forever wars. (So, not inappropriate for 40K). No direct analogue to any existing Regiment, except maybe Cadians in a pinch. Short sleeves, armored vests, multiple head options (helmets, night vision goggles, baseball cap, wide-brimmed hat). Grenade launcher shotgun, regular shotguns, flamers, sniper rifle, pistols. Also some gigantic guns that probably need to be run as a heavy weapon of some kind, despite being carried rather than mounted. So you can make some budget heavy weapon squads. Use this kit if you like the modern/near future aesthetic, or want something different. (Or if you want to use them in other wargames.) -Death Fields Upgrade Sprue (can Krieg-ify models): A $6 sprue for turning other figures into Guard models (such as any of WA's historical or fantasy kits). Gas mask heads + chest-mounted filtration units, and bayonets. Six lasguns, five shotguns/autorifles, two pistols, generic left arms, and 3 cybernetic left arms (2 holding, 1 pointing). Can be a good source of parts, even if you just need more guns or the like. Must source special weapons separately. -Afghan Warriors (Tallarn): A historical kit, not a Death Fields kit. But these desert-fighter models have ample rifles for everyone. No special weapons, obviously, though they do have swords and shields. Requires a great deal of extra bits to make a functional Guard force. But on the upside, the infantry kit contains 40 models per box, the highest ration next to WA's few monopose "army builder" kits (60 models per box). Afghans will be getting a Cavalry kit in the future. (Recommended getting the Perry Miniatures Afghan kit, or at least the separate command sprue, for filling HQ choices, and for more varied model options). -Landsknecht Ogres (Ogryn): A duel fantasy/sci-fi kit, 9 models per box. The Sci Fi build has shotguns and machine guns, for building Ogryn. You could use the fantasy melee weapons to make Bullgryn, though you'll need to source slab shields separately. (Obviously, the kit can also be used to make an AoS Ogor Mawtribes army, if you like). Includes bald, hearded/mustached, army helmet, and Landsknecht head options. (WA also sell a Conquistadors kit, which can be built as Landsknecht, that can be Guard-ed up with the Death Fields Upgrade Sprue, if you want the units to match). -SpaceNam (Catachan): A partnership with Reptillian Overlords to bring their "SpaceNam" 3D models to plastic. Knives, grenades, grenade launchers, flamers, plasma, meltas, sniper rifles. As a partnership deal, is $5 more expensive than most WA kits, and gives only 20 models per box. But that's still more models per dollar than GW sells, and for newer sculpts (and more weapon options, even if the proper "Jungle Fighter" datasheet won't let you use them). -Iron-Core (Tempestus Scions, Elysian, Kasrkin): Another partnership, with Mark Mondragon to bring the latter's Iron-Core model range back into plastic. Currently has two kits, the male Eisenkern Stormtroopers and the female Eizenkern Panzerjager. Both have a number of head and weapon options, though the kit descriptions stubbornly refuse to specify what all those options are supposed to be. So you'll have to use your best guess. I know they have grenade launchers for certain. The others will need your own adjudication, or sourcing more obvious special weapons elsewhere. There are a lot of them, though. Unlike the SpaceNam kit, these ones are the same price as normal WA kits, though again only at 20 models per box.
@Joetime90
Жыл бұрын
RIP Mordian
@Simon-Jester
Жыл бұрын
You forgot about the penal legions
@Roeland666
Жыл бұрын
Why are they memory holing Armageddon Steel Legion??
@LeCharles07
Жыл бұрын
Because GW hates guard players.
@joahnaut
Жыл бұрын
Real Answer: whichever one you want to run.
@yishumate
Жыл бұрын
Seems like Krieg stuff is ideal for giving plasma weapons. "WITNESS ME!"
@TheLunysgwen
Жыл бұрын
Harker and Straken are not Resin. Nice video!
@lovinmusic500
Жыл бұрын
So what 3 special weapons can Deathkorps take? Can they triple up on 1 type like 3 plasma guns?
@pikciwok6360
Жыл бұрын
No, 1 obligatory plasma gun and 2 others, you can't double on them. You can also take vox instead of plasma gun.
@Walican132
Жыл бұрын
I have a bunch of old Valhallan metal models. Wonder if I can do something with them.
@NoName-lo9ym
Жыл бұрын
The layered buffs for Cadians is just ridiculous Born Soldiers stacked with Shock Troops plus Uggula Creed craps on anything else out there. GW have totally dumped the other regiments, even Catachans who were easily the number 2 regiment choice. Garbage.
@LeCharles07
Жыл бұрын
I've been saying for a while that we didn't get a Guard codex, we got a Cadia (and friends) codex. It sucks.
@NoName-lo9ym
Жыл бұрын
@@LeCharles07 100% agreed. Another classic case of GW not listening to the actual Guard players who more than anything want updated iRegiment kits with decent rule, and instead just pushed their pet projects forwards, thinking that the massive rules favouritism will drive the sales they want. They could have easily released "Greatcoat Guard" to cover Armageddon, Krieg and Valhalla and offered separate bits and head kits, and done the same with a joint Cadian / Tallarn / Mordian kit. Just typical GW shitting on the fans and being manipulative to drive sales.
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