One's available for purchase all year round, in all countries while the other isn't shipped to most of the world, and isn't readily available for purchase.
@Javier-yd5qf
2 жыл бұрын
THIS
@socks2441
2 жыл бұрын
exactly.
@gabounegamer6135
2 жыл бұрын
Fanatec shipping and customer service is awful.
@HotDominicanDad
Жыл бұрын
which should tell you which one people actually use and like lol
@theamateurguitarist6187
8 ай бұрын
Don’t buy anything from Fanatec. Awful company!
@bfife22
2 жыл бұрын
I've had the TLCMs since March 2020. With the right brake pedal mod they feel great on an aluminum rig. The calibration software is a must when changing springs or mods on the brake pedal.
@lil_lemonade_03
2 жыл бұрын
I can’t find the software… idk how to do ittt
@rover1374
2 жыл бұрын
Which mod are using?
@Starmast3rmusic
2 жыл бұрын
I ended up getting the fanatec pedals and doing a loadcell mod using 3d printed parts, some loadcells and an Arduino I had lying around. I feel like I ended up saving 120 bucks-- it works pretty well. The fanatec pedals are well built, pretty modable, and didn't cost me too much.
@TheBoostedDoge
2 жыл бұрын
I bought my T-LCM in December 2020. I use them daily, to race and play American truck simulator, no issues besides having to unplug them and plug them back in after a reboot. It seems as though the problem was caused by Fast Startup on windows 10\11 and the USB ports going into sleep mode, which can be changed in the advanced power settings. In the 1 year I've owned them, I haven't heard any creaks whatsoever. The wobble you mentioned, you just don't notice it while driving and doesn't affect performance.
@vMaxHeadroom
2 жыл бұрын
Happy with the TLCM's as they have been issue free since launch. The side to side movement has never effected me but then again I am not an all out 24/7 user, just weekends and some evenings on AMS 2 and Assetto Corsa Comp...Found they were much more readily available and at a good price which was enough for me and the setup was simple. I use both red springs and that seems to provide just the right force on the brake. Based on a lot of reviews I have no doubt the Fanatec's are great but stock can sometimes be an issue.
@andreasotto1977
2 жыл бұрын
Same here. I got my LCM's in July '20 and had no issues since. While the pedals do have a bit of a wiggle as demonstrated in the video, I don't feel it as soon as my have my feet on them. Also, the solid baseplate made it easy to mount them to my Playseat Challenge.
@FlyingHawkic
2 жыл бұрын
@@andreasotto1977 Are these pedals a good fit with the Playseat Challenge? I'm afraid that you'll push the pedals away because of the pressure or this isn't an issue?
@andreasotto1977
2 жыл бұрын
@@FlyingHawkic damn, I wrote a longer answer this afternoon which apparently got deleted, maybe due to a link to the racedepartment forums?
@FlyingHawkic
2 жыл бұрын
@@andreasotto1977 not sure why Andreas. Perhaps links to external websites are not allowed in the comments. Would you mind to summarize your comment again without the link to the Racedepartment forum? I know there's a topic there with settings, but it looked very complicated to me. I wondered how the performance is without tweaking the settings. I have an RTX 3070 and I have no issues with AMS 2. The graphics of ACC look good on video but I've heard it looks and performs terrible in VR.
@andreasotto1977
2 жыл бұрын
@@FlyingHawkic errrm, Settings? You asked me about the pedals. However, I can answer to both. :-) LC Pedals (of any type) on a Playseat Challenge: They basically work, but you will have to strengthen the tray. Those red plastic thumbscrews are not strong enough to withstand the braking forces. I drilled holes in the tubes and fixed them with bolts. Also, the two nylon brackets holding the tray to the seat let go under a hard braking maneuver the other day. I contacted Playseat about the issue and they were so kind to send me a bag of additional brackets for free; three of them hold the tray without trouble since then. The belt of the Playseat can hold the pedals to the tray, but I found it uncomfortable under my heels. So I got some 3D printed brackets which originally are for the V3's, but can be used for the Thrustmaster pedals. My user name on RD is "ao1977", search my name there and you'll find my posts about my rig, including photos. About ACC: I started playing ACC on a Rift S and a GTX1080 with AWS forced @ 40 FPS and was happy with it. Then I got a 3070 and was even happier. Now I am running a Quest 2 with a 3080 on stable 72Hz with 145% pixel density and high settings and even got some headroom. Limiting the rendered FOV to 0.7 both horizontal and vertical in the Oculus Tray Tool is the key to loooooooots of performance headroom without sacrifices.
@ikt32
2 жыл бұрын
The CSL LC pedals were on pre-order for end of January (afaik they started putting them public during Black Friday), so I doubt anyone has them yet. I'm still waiting for mine. Availablity is the main thorn in the eye for Fanatec products currently. If anyone is reading this and considering buying Fanatec products - make one order with ONLY items that are ready to ship, and another order with pre-order stuff like the LC pedals. Or else your main order will be delayed until *all* items are in stock. For me, the 5nm CSL DD wheel base kept getting delayed (pushed back to JULY 2022) due to the CSL LC pedals not being in stock. I'm excited for the pedals (and wheel base), just peeved about Fanatec's horrible warehouse management. Anything (with a load cell) is an upgrade for the Logitech pedals I'm using :) I'm glad LC is becoming more mainstream for people who don't have an infinite budget.
@Bobbarker23455
2 жыл бұрын
It's a electronic shortage man not like its Fanatec's fault really. It does suck i no but what can we really do. If thrustmaster tlcm start selling like crazy they will have a shortage to its just inevitable for the next yr atleast.
@ikt32
2 жыл бұрын
@@Bobbarker23455 I'm not complaining about the situation at large, but how specifically Fanatec handles the situation. Specifically for situations where you have one or more components that are "pre-order" (the 5Nm wheel base and LC pedals) - if one is delayed, your entire order will be delayed to the furthest item date. So if you have ordered both, with the LC pedal kit date at January 31st and made the 5Nm order when it would ship January 22nd, if they run out of 5Nm CSL DD's before the LC kit arrives, the target date for the 5Nm wheel base will shift from January 22nd to June 1st. Apparently they're also expecting a shortage on those beyond that date, so it's delayed again till July 15th. Delaying your customers' entire order for 6 months instead of holding onto whatever is available and shipping out as soon as everything is available, is just crappy. Understandable from an inventory management view and "money in the pocket" guarantee, but extremely inconsiderate for customers. Especially considering the 5Nm and 8Nm base are the same product, and just ship with a different PSU (in a separate box). So they're moving inventory, but you're just shit out of luck if they receive 5Nm units and your order isn't complete so they deplete their 5Nm stock, causing your entire order to be delayed for half a year or so. In all this I had to continuously monitor the order page, as Fanatec does not send out information about these pre-order delays. At least, I got no communication and had to re-confirm with their customer support that indeed, I would need to wait for half a year. *That* is Fanatec's fault.
@JDSIMRacing
2 жыл бұрын
I am in need of replacing my g920 pedals as the potentiometers are dead. I really want the fanatec csl load cell pedals but they are currently on preorder for march 14th. I don't mind waiting but i wouldn't want it delayed anymore. I'm seeing and hearing very good things about the T-LCM pedals with a brake pedal mod. The T-LCMs are available instantly too which is pushing more towards them. I'm unsure what route to take in the future for my wheel base though. The CSL DD is insane for the money but everything fanatec is a pain to get. Thrustmaster are releasing a DD so this could be a good option for me.
@ikt32
2 жыл бұрын
@@JDSIMRacing That sucks. I think either should work fine. My LC pedal is also preordered for March, but luckily I could adapt my G27 pedals to work standalone so I can use it with the CSL DD.
@izzieb
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure this will be an interesting comparison. It'll be interesting to see what direction Thrustmaster goes in, as they seem to be diversifying their product line.
@jackcraters1425
2 жыл бұрын
The thrustmaster creaking is fixed easily with dry lubricant on the spring. Put some dry lube on my springs once and they never creaked again.
@Miamissimo
Жыл бұрын
hi there, i know this is over a year old comment, but i just wanted to know if i can use my silicone spray instead? ive used this successfully against creaking doors/windows etc. might work for the springs too i guess.
@jackcraters1425
Жыл бұрын
@@Miamissimo I would think so, because it is for multi surface, including plastic. So you should be good!
@fadedcyborg
Жыл бұрын
Had both. T lcm brakes do feel way better. Which is the most important part. Also i prefer the metallic finish on the t lcm
@VibesForever
2 жыл бұрын
this answered a lot of my questions, appreciate it.
@anthonyfa18
2 жыл бұрын
I play on ps4 and now ps5, also have a gamming pc, my set up is T-GT and T-LCM pedal And I love it. I’ve been Sim racing on the G25 before last summer when I got the upgrade. I mostly play GT Sport and love How it feels with the loadcell
@gerrybalogh
2 жыл бұрын
You can make the TLCM brake pedal to NOT move. There is a screw on the bottom of the base of the pedals. Tighten it to make the pedal tilt forward a bit and with that press against the springs and the loadcell on the front. This will stop the wobbly feeling. On the other hand, you may want to check the calibration afterward because it may result in the loadcell getting pressure and without a dead-zone, you'd be constantly breaking.
@randomcallsign
2 жыл бұрын
All pedals have movement.
@gerrybalogh
2 жыл бұрын
@@randomcallsign Yes exactly. :D But for the brake pedal with thar screw you can reduce it by a lot. But yes. The review was perfect. There is a clear difference in terms of build quality between them.
@terrylu4894
2 жыл бұрын
yeah but it will loose again after a few days... It's annoying that you have to take the pedals off the stand to tighten it because it's at the back side of the pedal base.
@rynosraceroom66
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy my TLCM very much 🤘🏻🏁 im very curious about the inserts available
@randomcallsign
2 жыл бұрын
Useful video? Subscribe to the channel ;) What are your experiences with these pedals?
@wegpiraatjochem
2 жыл бұрын
I got my tlcms 5 days ago. Much much better than the potentiometer based Logitech pedals I’ve had before.
@wegpiraatjochem
2 жыл бұрын
And by the way that side to side movement on the tlcms I don’t have that problem and some other people also don’t have that problem.
@s_n9210
2 жыл бұрын
Swap the clutch-throttle springs on the T-LCM. And get some elastomers or rubber packers on the brake pedal.
@starfox_wr-45e93
2 жыл бұрын
None
@TheInsaiyan
2 жыл бұрын
Hey RC, you should compare that mod with this DIY Mod for the TLCM pedals. kzitem.info/news/bejne/sKN3l2WChZNqjKQ I used them on mine and it really transformed the Brake pedal to a whole new standard and that for under 20 Euros essentially. Would like to see a comparison and have more TCLM owners see this as a viable option if they dont feel content with the metal Springs on the brake.
@henkhenkos8647
2 жыл бұрын
Still rocking my csl elite pedals with modded loadcell. If i'm gonna upgrade i'm going directly for the clubsports v3 + brake performance kit and damper.
@L_Emir_de_Passy
2 жыл бұрын
Consider sim forge mark 1 pedals for 350-400 plus shipping. A lot of people trashing them because they are from India. But they listen to feedback and always improve their product. More positive reviews than negative. See barry’ reviews including the update video.
@Daisudori
2 жыл бұрын
@@L_Emir_de_Passy or dc sim 360 for 2 set.
@L_Emir_de_Passy
2 жыл бұрын
@@Daisudori DC sim set? What are those?
@Daisudori
2 жыл бұрын
@@L_Emir_de_Passy heusinkveld copy from Spain. DC SIM pedals. There is also BJ SIM pedals and Kapral pedals for same ish price. Cost less then v3s and for sure are better.
@L_Emir_de_Passy
2 жыл бұрын
@@Daisudori thank you. Will look into it
@calebwright2849
2 жыл бұрын
My biggest complaint with my T-LCM's so far is the throttle and clutch both feel to light. The clutch spring would probably be alright for throttle but I would like a much stiffer feeling clutch pedal. Preferably with a 2 stage spring, but I could settle for just a stiffer pedal. I really wanted a set of the inverted v3's but not for over $600 lol. Eventually I will get a set of heusinkveld sprints and probably will set them up with both the clutch and brake inverted and floor mounted accelerator to replicate my g35 and most other road cars.
@oomachiw111
Жыл бұрын
I use skateboard truck bushings on my T-3Pm's, I ordered a few kits and there's a mix of hard and medium bushings for my brake, works far better than those damn springs, plus, I have enough to last years for when these ones start breaking down.
@adriancuevas1587
2 жыл бұрын
Upgrading from g920..really want sprint pedals but will settle for the fanatec while i save some money. Great video! Thank you
@ShadowWolfe
2 жыл бұрын
My experience with the TLCM was very short-lived. It was next to impossible to use on carpet (I didn't have much of a choice), and the pedals are at too aggressive an angle to use both normally or with a pedal stand (which would basically be putting the pedals around 80-90 degrees rotated).
@MelfjeProductionS
2 жыл бұрын
Well if you are gonna use loadcell pedals on carpet you're asking to get trouble.
@lifes-a-journey
2 жыл бұрын
I'm using my T-LCM on carpet, and have gotten them to where they're nicely usable for me. They certainly aren't capable of being used on carpet alone as the pressure on the brake would cause it to rise up and move. Since I don't own a sim rig I took a 2mm thick piece of hardwood plywood I had leftover that is considerably wider and longer than the pedal base and attached them to it. I was going to screw it into the floor to keep it stable but found that the weight of it alone keeps it from rising up under braking and it keeps in place simply being up against the wall. I also found that the spacers they provide to adjust the pedal angles work for me. I was able to get them to a more favorable angle than the G29 pedals I had. They've been great for me! Having upgraded from G29 pedals, these were well worth the money in my experience
@MenniePlay
2 жыл бұрын
No loadcell pedals in the world can work well on carpet.
@socks2441
2 жыл бұрын
im with you shadow. they are not designed for us casual carpet users. you can get them to stop moving by gluing velcro on the bottom or something similar, but then you still cant really use them as they tip over. i really dont uderstand why they didnt put more material behind the pedals/ mount the pedals a bit further forward. terrible leverage. would be fine if mounted though.
@socks2441
2 жыл бұрын
yeah, the angles are not ideal for my couch and having them flat on carpet. i had to use a variation of the big spacers and small spacers, and ignore the 'this way up' writing and risk damaging the threads by putting them upside down. these pedals are weird. great, but weird. i need to do what the other guy did with the plywood. or make a full rig, but i dont really have the space, so ill stick with what i have. its just a matter of finding some plywood and doing it. for now i just wedge a bit of wood under the raised middle section at the back which helps stop it tipping.
@kraM1t
2 жыл бұрын
I remember selling my original CSL pedals because the brake used to move side to side under foot and cause audible knocking sound, you could also feel it. Felt nasty like the pedal was about to drop off. I saw you mentioned side to side for the Thrustmaster but what about the new CSL's?
@randomcallsign
2 жыл бұрын
The new csls don't have this issue. They are better assembled.
@sicphuker
2 жыл бұрын
yeah, the build quality on the new CSL's are stellar! there is absolutely no side to side play. either at rest or under compression, no squeaks , no bends or flexes. very well made.
@henkhenkos8647
2 жыл бұрын
I've modded my loadcell with a spring and the movement disappeared.
@kraM1t
2 жыл бұрын
@@henkhenkos8647 that only worked for me when the pedal was at its stop position. During braking it still wobbled
@ccramit
2 жыл бұрын
If you can get your hands on the CSL Elite set, I recommend getting one. The CSL Elites are just built better and feel much better. I understand the switch to the new pedals for cost and efficiency to the consumer, but I still prefer the old school CSL Elites.
@lukede6555
2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like your personal decision to choose the thrustmaster (where that context was applied) was almost entirely based on muscle memory from the V3’s. Is this a fair statement? What would you recommend to somebody coming off a set of Logitech’s as this is the more likely scenario and a common one for drivers in our league?
@lifes-a-journey
2 жыл бұрын
I can't compare the two, but as someone who upgraded to T-LCM from the G29 pedals. I love it! I think either way you go, you will not regret it over the Logitech pedals. Load cells are the most important upgrade imo and makes a big difference in your braking consistency. I agree it seems his preference was based on muscle memory. When you upgrade it'll take a little bit of time to get used to the difference and create your own muscle memory with the new pedals
@lukede6555
2 жыл бұрын
@@lifes-a-journey I agree with you fully, I’m also actually on V3’s and a DD1 in a profile rig. I was clarifying his conclusions as I think his video is a good one to share in our community :)
@mciao8723
8 ай бұрын
Hi nice review, a question, can you use the fanatic pedals with the Thrustmaster T300 rs thanks for sharing
@MartinGrier
2 жыл бұрын
What socks/shoes you wearing in these shots? They look quite nifty. I initially had a pre-order for a load cell CSL pedal but its not available until March. I took the hit and instead ordered the Clubsport V3s which (According to the UPS tracking) should arrive tomorrow. Much excitement.
@TheGabe92
2 жыл бұрын
Aquatic shoes, also know as beach shoes. The creator mentioned it in a prior video prompting me to try them and it's an amazing sim life hack, can recommend ;)
@LaszloNemeth
2 жыл бұрын
Hi love your content, but I have a maybe stupid question what brand/type of shoes are you using? Seems to me as an ideal simrace shoe
@johnmurphy5161
2 жыл бұрын
great vid man, im at the beginning of building my sim set up. im goin dd pro, im getting the huiskenveld hand brake, should i get the pedal set off them aswell or should i get the whole kit of fanatec, your opinion would really help and be welcome.
@randomcallsign
2 жыл бұрын
If you are on the pc you can play anything you want. If you are going ps4 you'll need a Fanatec pedal set. You don't need the DD Pro if you won't play PlayStation. The csl dd is the same thing
@johnmurphy5161
2 жыл бұрын
@@randomcallsign thanks a mill man, i play both ps and pc, only gran turismo on ps4 pro, im upgrading from t300rs gt. I guess the whole kit fanatec is the choice. Dd pro it is, with the gt moega prime. Is the aiog sq shifter good? I will use your affiliate links when ordering soon. I'll let u know exactly what i've ordered and you might have tips on setup. Really appreciate your rapid response.(ps. I dont take salt) so i have to believe what you say is gods word🤲🏎
@thiagoods021
2 жыл бұрын
When you say that you need the CSL for PS4 you mean your personal situation right? Because the t-lcm is compatible with the PS4and PS5 using the t-gt, t300 and even the t150.
@randomcallsign
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@WhippyWhipGaming
2 жыл бұрын
hi random, great video mate, does this csl set use the same bolting pattern or have they decided to make everyones pedal plates obsolete? lol
@randomcallsign
2 жыл бұрын
Its using the same pattern as my v3s, so I assume it's the same as the old ones. However, the front bolts are now m6.
@elitesennabubble
4 ай бұрын
the tlcms have been around for like 10 years so you cant really fault them
@erikisdik432
2 жыл бұрын
yeah, but the TLCM for some reason doesnt work properly and they removed the drivers from their website?!
@user-fb5bt6jd7v
2 жыл бұрын
Have the TLCM's. If your not going to mod the brakes, go for CSL. The stock springs and setup are horrible.
@hilo4321
2 жыл бұрын
How much do the recommended mods cost?
@Daisudori
2 жыл бұрын
Random callsign if I understand u correctly: So the CSL LC is maxing out in signal before u would hit end travel on tlcm double red spring setup?? That is kinda weak LC then. I thought it would be better cus the leverage is different. To further clarify, that would mean CSL LC maxes out on or lower then tlcm ~75% brake software setting?
@Amioran
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it maxes out at about 75% (probably even less) TLCM settings (assuming max resistance set on the TLCM pedals).
@Daisudori
2 жыл бұрын
@@Amioran Guess im keeping tlcm then and modding it with elastomer if csl lc is kinda weak. 70 on tm is way to light already for proper lc usage. thanks
@Amioran
2 жыл бұрын
@@Daisudori IMO CSL pedals are not worth it. If you really want a meaningful upgrade from TLCM then the only viable route is going to Heusinkveld. V3 are surely better than the TLCM but - yet again IMO - the price difference is best put onto Heusinkveld as the step-up upgrade for price/quality is much higher in such an instance. If you go V3 sooner or later you will want to upgrade to Heusinkveld anyway, so it is much better to simply save enough money to go there directly.
@Daisudori
2 жыл бұрын
@@Amioran Yea, I had CSL LC V1 before. Its similar to tlcm, just nicer elastomer brake. The potmeters kept breaking tho and the stupid long travel on gas/clutch was annoying. Im gonna keep TLCM for now and try with some skate bushings and maybe upgrade to DC sim pedals later. Its a HE copy for less then v3 money ;)
@gjdriessen1
2 жыл бұрын
Shame throttle spring is not stiffer on csl. So you can swap it, but then you need to buy the clutch which you do need if you buy the load cell.
T-LCM need a mod as the brake feels absolutely awful with the stock springs imo, never been happy with mine.
@randomcallsign
2 жыл бұрын
that video is coming soon 😁
@fups1
2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to upgrade my g29 pedals, felt like these weren't enough, and sprints were too much, so i went with clubsport v3
@nannsajjaaj8009
2 жыл бұрын
Ain’t that a bit overkill?
@BFBCGamer
2 жыл бұрын
Should upgrade the wheel aswell then
@zenflight2450
Жыл бұрын
T-LCM is compatible with PS, Elite is with PC, so i guess you meant you woudl take T-LCM for Playstation and CSL for PC only?
@randomcallsign
Жыл бұрын
Csl is compstible with whatever console the wheelbase is
@zenflight2450
Жыл бұрын
@@randomcallsign Yup, and T-LCM is USB standalone compatibile with PC and PS
@zenflight2450
Жыл бұрын
@@randomcallsign god, i was soooo wrong, my bad. Good point
@Sinn3246
2 жыл бұрын
Is the creaking from worn grease?
@alexmorgan5760
2 жыл бұрын
Are thrusmatsers pedals ompatible with a fanatec setup?
@Stupendous855
2 жыл бұрын
Yes on PC, you can use the pedals through usb to the PC
@mciao8723
8 ай бұрын
I have the ps5 👍
@socks2441
2 жыл бұрын
the tlcm are really ugly, and require proper mounting. they are not the upgraded thrustmaster equivalent to g29 pedals. they cannot be used on carpet. even adding velcro to stop them moving they still tip even with the lightest brake spring. so they require bolting to your rig. the only thing i dont like about the fanatec (from what i can see of them, i own tlcm, but never used fanatec) is the cheap plastic pedals. and then the optional upgraded pedal faces are completely flat, which i dont like. but i guess you could bolt any pedal faces to them really. i wish fanatec shipped to my country. i would have upgraded to the dd and a full fanatec setup if it wasnt for that. instead i had to go with thrustmaster. not that my old logitech g29 setup was that bad.
@Bobbarker23455
2 жыл бұрын
I say go Fanatec better quality just my opinion tho
@henkhenkos8647
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah thrustmaster cheap plastic
@Bobbarker23455
2 жыл бұрын
@@henkhenkos8647 not shaming thrustmaster its a loadcell at an affordable price. i respect Fanatec and thrustmaster for making affordable products. U right tho plastic does stink.
@MelfjeProductionS
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but customer service is shit from Fanatec. When the thrustmaster is dead you can just restore it to the store and they fix it for you or you get your money back. With fanatec it's gambling.
@Bobbarker23455
2 жыл бұрын
@@MelfjeProductionS yeah and so does Fanatec u sounding like a real karen right now.
@brotakul
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you’ll revisit the T-LCMs with the elastomer mod and report back 🙃
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