Mike - great review. It helped me choose the Sailor 1911 Music Nib (mine is the mid size in Ivory with gold trim) over the others. I wanted a very smooth wet Stub and for me this is PERFECTION. Keep up the excellent work.
@inkdependence
6 жыл бұрын
Great! I'm glad I helped you find the right thing.
@inharmonik
7 жыл бұрын
FYI: The numbers on the side of the nib are date codes not gold content. The Pilot is 14k.
@fossilimprint2954
Жыл бұрын
Just finished watching both yours and Figboot's music nib videos, fascinating how different your conclusions ended up being. Thank you!
@inkdependence
Жыл бұрын
That was a fun project. Thanks for watching!
@wch0306
7 жыл бұрын
916 on Pilot nib means it manufactured on Sep. 2016
@christopherknox
Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that the Sailor Music nib can write thinly when held upside down (tines up). Which makes it great for writing slurs, ties and accent notes beneath the staff. This also makes it more versatile than the others.
@inkdependence
Жыл бұрын
You know what, I've had this nib for years and I've never tried flipping it over! Time to give that a shot, I guess.
@christopherknox
Жыл бұрын
@@inkdependenceYeah, you’ll notice it’s not polished on top like others for that reason. I’ve got a Pro Gear Knight E4 arriving today. I can’t wait to try it.
@aaron3890
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I needed to know. Sailor it is for my "one music nib to rule them all." Thanks Mike!
@inkdependence
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@hungryboy424
7 жыл бұрын
Really good review and nice to finally watch one that does not get ruined by the adverts , well done !
@inkdependence
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man. Spread the word!
@ErikFritz
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this comparison/shootout--I've been eyeing a Music nib lately, so this is very timely! One fun fact no one has corrected you on so far (I hope): the inscription on the Platinum nib is meant to evoke Mt. Fuji--and the #3776 series is so-named because that is the height of Mt. Fuji (in meters, of course).
@uriahhunter1117
3 жыл бұрын
I know im asking randomly but does anybody know of a way to get back into an Instagram account? I stupidly forgot my account password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me!
@andersoncharles7031
3 жыл бұрын
@Uriah Hunter instablaster ;)
@uriahhunter1117
3 жыл бұрын
@Anderson Charles i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm in the hacking process atm. Takes quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@uriahhunter1117
3 жыл бұрын
@Anderson Charles It worked and I finally got access to my account again. I'm so happy! Thank you so much, you saved my ass :D
@andersoncharles7031
3 жыл бұрын
@Uriah Hunter no problem =)
@mrcat3493
2 жыл бұрын
I think both yours and Figboot’s review have shown me that the Sailor would fit me better. I loved this style of review collaboration, it is very helpful.
@inkdependence
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad it helped.
@Nick-cp3sr
6 жыл бұрын
“I... Like... Big.. Nibs... And I Can Not Lie” 😂😂
@doodletime9041
5 жыл бұрын
Laughed so hard 😂
@edgars.rainesjr.3184
2 жыл бұрын
A very interesting and informative video; being a Calligrapher for over 50 yrs, I found it to be profitable.
@NeilKalmanson
7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there is any variation in the Platinum music nibs? I purchased the Platinum and the Pilot. The Pilot was great, but I found the Platinum way too thick, with very little difference in the thicks and thins. Although it was extremely smooth and forgiving, it had a very rounded writing surface. I ground it into a crisp italic, and it is now one of my favorite italic nibs.
@ganainmmtl
3 жыл бұрын
I still can't spot the difference between just a regular stub and a music nib, except for the 3 tines. Maybe someone can enlighten me here.
@sean1e100
7 жыл бұрын
"That's not how numbers work!" 😂 literally lol-ed! Great video Mike, thanks for your work
@criscavi19
Жыл бұрын
Those nibs write like butter! Thanks for this review.
@popnsplat
7 жыл бұрын
like i said on figboot, i got a pilot custom 74 with a music nib (same as the one in this video, it's 14k) and it had a big problem partial and hard starting, with one tine failing to start. i had to adjust the tines and then smooth them on micro mesh, but the result is flawless, smooth, and wet with a ton of flex, able to go up to 2mm from its 1-1.1mm base. very soft and springy and a delight to use, along with the pilot con70 awesome converter. at $85 on amazon, i highly recommend it if you're willing to smooth it a bit. i much prefer its softness to the nail hardness of the 3776, which I'll be buying a standard soft fine for.
@popnsplat
7 жыл бұрын
Mike Matteson I'd personally not suggest it as a first gold nib at that price, for that I'd suggest a 74 or 3776 with a soft fine, and if anyone is interested in the possible performance of a music nib in daily use, to get the goulet 1.1 stub, which is what sold me on the music (the goulet 1.1 in a noodlers ahab demonstrator is still my favorite pen for daily use) and then I'd still recommend the pilot music over the others for the high degree of softness, spring, and once you spend a few minutes tuning it to write at your hand position, it essentially works as a soft semi flex stub. but like i said, i think an out of the box pen should not need tuning, and unless you plan on only writing music, the pilot music nib really feels unpleasant without some very basic tweaking, so I'd point people to the platinum 3776 in soft fine or pilot 74 in the same for the $75- $80 gold nib.
@TrehanMD
7 жыл бұрын
What i loved about your video was the writing samples. Your paper perhaps, your inks and ofc the wetness of the nibs all contributed. Btw, do you care telling me what inks you used in your pens ?
@FlintBits
2 жыл бұрын
12:55
@rafgomez333
5 жыл бұрын
It sounded to me, by your own admission, that leaving out the novelty or coolness factor, the Sailor is the best of the 4. Cheers!
@Cyriljayant
6 жыл бұрын
I bought a Sailor pen with a Music Nib but it was a real mistake for me as it was just a broad nib with a lot of material ( Ball) on that nib. It was moreover a wet broad nib although called a music. It was also slippery as people call them buttery nib that I hate. I like nibs with feedback which gives me a sense of feeling to my writing. So that pen is doing nothing but waiting to get grind by somebody. I already tried to do it myself but I thought to let someone who knows the trick to do.
@randy25rhoads
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don’t consider the Sailor a real music nib. To me it’s just a stub. And I’m not just saying that, I have one. I also have multiple Pilot and Platinum music nibs. I also have two vintage music nibs that are flexy as hell. I also have the Franklin Christoph.
@LimitlessFrank
4 жыл бұрын
To you and David: What's the difference between a Music nib and an Architect nib since they're both thin on the Vertical?
@BuckArsenault
4 жыл бұрын
A music nib is not thin on the vertical unless you're holding it sideways like he is in this video. The shape of a music nib is very much like a regular stub.
@dynasoar4190
5 жыл бұрын
Just got my 3776 with a music nib. I had the chance to compare the 3 BIg Japanese companies with music nibs in a store in Tokyo. Platinum is the coolest and most exciting to use. I don't like that much my Platinum 3776 SF though but this one is a keeper.
@roguequill
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! How does the sailor music compare to the Platinum on smoothness and wetness scale, if you don't mind me asking?
@gihanzohdy3284
Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis.
@inkdependence
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ichirofakename
2 жыл бұрын
I'm going with a Sailor. Not because I need another stub nib, I already have some nice stubs. Because I always need another Sailor. Always.
@inkdependence
2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely my favorite Sailor nib.
@sajjadhusain4146
5 жыл бұрын
Riveting video. I have just one music nibbed pen. I have to check which one it is. And gosh, the Pilot here at first glance looks eerily identical to the Sailor Pro Gear. Of the four here, I think I like the Franklin Christoph music nib best. Fun to watch. And endlessly enticing.
@itznoxy7193
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a composer looking for a pen and I was leaning towards the 1911 Music Nib. I would mainly use it for taking notes and writing signatures but also occasionally sketching music (I mainly write music on a computer). Would this be a good choice? Also thinking about the 3776. Thanks.
@inkdependence
5 жыл бұрын
The 1911 music nib is really just a wet stub, so it's good for non-music things like signatures an notes (as long as you can write large notes).
@ryancalton9775
7 жыл бұрын
Technically calling the Platinum #3776 Burgundy isn't entirely incorrect since bourgogne is French for burgundy
@kennethclayton4
7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the feeds compared on these pens. I think I saw somewhere that the 3776 has 2 ink channels but haven't found much showing them.
@SoulWatcher72
2 жыл бұрын
Hi. I’m a little confused on the way to hold a fountain pen now. I was always tops to hold it the way you are holding all the music nibs. With the nib going vertically. The thin going up and down so sideways looking. But then, a few years ago I began watching fountain pen reviews and everyone holds the nib with the thick part of a stub, let’s say, with the thick part horizontally. So which was is correct? Does it change depending on the nib type? Say a simple rounded nib compared to a stub or music nib? Or even an architect nib? I would really love your opinion. Or if there are no rules at all? It seems with a music nib it has to be held with the thinnest part of the tines going vertically to write the notes. But what about all the other styles of nib? I look forward to hearing back from you soon. Thank you and I enjoyed your video. @MikeMatteson
@inkdependence
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I think most people hold a fountain pen closer to 45 degrees. Most nibs aren't designed to work at a 90 degree vertical. The tipping is ground under the nib, and not on its point. An architect nib, for example, will only make a super thin line at 90 degrees.
@dayngerous42
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! Way back around 1980 or so, I had an inexpensive two-tine music nib that I loved using. I even used it for writing music (I majored in music at university). I can't remember the brand of pen, and I've been searching in vain for a pen that matched the line produced by that pen. The Franklin Christoff is the closest I've seen to that nib.
@inkdependence
3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@matthewbeddow3278
7 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video Thanks Mike
@drorzellner9584
7 жыл бұрын
love the dalek poster
@mwmcbroom
5 жыл бұрын
Cool topic. I've wondered how my old music nibbed pen stacks up. It appears, pretty well. I have an old Osmiroid model 75 with an Osmiroid B3 nib that has two cuts and three tines. It's definitely an italic style nib, but it is very smooth and puts down a reasonably wet line. This is apparently an older Osmiroid. I have another "old" Osmiroid (I bought a pile of calligraphic pens and these were in the pile), but it takes much bigger nibs. I have three calligraphic nibs that fit that pen, but none of them are music nibs, although they will work well enough for music. That pen has no markings on its barrel, it just says "Osmiroid" on the clip only. My old Osmiroid 75's B3 nib is gold and pretty stiff. According to my dial calipers, it is 0.068" (1.72mm) wide at the tip, so it is of what I would say is a generous size. I'm a musician and I read and write music, so this pen does get use. It works very well for its intended purpose. It works well for italic calligraphy too. Of your four pens, I liked the Franklin-Christoph the best. I found the other three to be mediocre. They all seem to write the same to me. Finally, I have a question: why is it necessary that a music nib have 3 tines? I mean, it seems to me that a good calligraphic nib would do just as good of a job. What am I missing?
@Takasnooze
7 жыл бұрын
I don't own a music nib but really enjoyed this video. Thank you! I would love to know what ink you have in the Sailor.
@FigbootonPens
7 жыл бұрын
It's Sailor Rikyu-Cha
@monkfan72
5 жыл бұрын
Someone on one of my Facebook FP pages told me to take the sticker off. I refused. Never!
@inkdependence
5 жыл бұрын
Stay strong. #teamstickers
@laitae
7 жыл бұрын
You've just gained a new subscriber. I honestly thought music nibs have some magical musical properties LOL
@thedandymod
4 жыл бұрын
That Platinum looks great.
@PanMeeConnoisseur
10 ай бұрын
What ink was inside the sailor pen?
@inkdependence
10 ай бұрын
No way of knowing at this point. Sorry. It's been six years. 😅
@PanMeeConnoisseur
10 ай бұрын
@@inkdependence oh no that seems like the green I’ve been looking for! Thanks for the video
@gabrielfalcinelli1182
4 жыл бұрын
For the look of writing I like the Franklin Christoph. The best line variation. But for value I love my Jinhao 51A with its 1.5 mm nib. If you didnt please give it a try. Simple but efficient.
@garydg29
3 жыл бұрын
I don't write music but love writing with nibs that show significant line variation. I mostly own Franklin and Crostophe nibs and love them but recently bought both a Platinum and a Sailor music nibbed pens. Neither show the line variation that the F&C pens do but the reason that I'm writing is that my Sailor has a very small "sweet spot" in comparison to the other pens. I'm curious if you (or anyone else) has noticed this. Neither my Platinum nor Sailor have been written with much, so perhaps they need breaking in.
@inkdependence
3 жыл бұрын
Hmm. I haven't had that with my Sailor, that I know of. A nib that broad shouldn't really have a sweet spot, I don't think.
@garydg29
3 жыл бұрын
@@inkdependence yes that was my thought, when I checked the tines they were slightly misaligned so I straightened them and we'll see. Disappointing to see that in a high-end Sailor pen
@CoenBijpost
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! That was a surprising beard. That beard gets a sub from me 😂 Came here from Figboot, obviously.
@Tahn2035
7 жыл бұрын
nice camera/lighting setup. very easy to see writing sample
@Shub99
7 жыл бұрын
I would probably switch 3 and 4.... Totally agree with top two.... Difficult as I love Sailor Pilot Platinum and FC.... Thanks....
@Shub99
7 жыл бұрын
True...I am partial to certain pen brands but I do listen and learn ... Take a few risks and more often than not I haven't been disappointed... Love your ink reviews.... Great stuff... Thank you....
@jkrause365
5 жыл бұрын
It's the Franklin Christoph nib for me. Reason? I want to go back to writing out my students' lessons by hand. It actually isn't any slower than using computer soft ware.
@Cyriljayant
7 жыл бұрын
Hi! Mike, thanks for the video and it is a great one. What is a Zoom Nib? Is it something like a soft FLEX nib?
@professionalpotato4764
6 жыл бұрын
It's a nib that gives you different line widths based on your angle of writing. I can't remember if it's the right way, but basically you get thin - thick (or thick to thin, I really can't remember) strokes if you run the nib from 90deg to the paper and down to about 30~40deg.
@thelifeandtimesofjames4273
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic stuff. I hold my pens vertically so these should suit me fine.
@inkdependence
4 жыл бұрын
Yep. They should work just fine.
@terrclymac
7 жыл бұрын
Mike, Thank you for the video commentary. I just purchased the 3776 equipped with the Music nib. Any particular "keep in mind" advice you would like to share with me? Terry
@inkdependence
7 жыл бұрын
Congrats! that one is a clear favorite for me. They tend to run a little on the wet side, so if you put something in it that is really wet you might have a bad time.
@terrclymac
7 жыл бұрын
Mike Matteson That is "music" to my ears. Thanks again.
@inkdependence
7 жыл бұрын
Well, the pen is made of aluminum. It's just the section that is plastic. It comes in a ton of different colors, actually, and all of them look pretty slick. I've been using this pen for about a week now (I totally forgot to make the video public!), and the nib is really nice. Very smooth, very nice flow. Neither too wet nor too dry. The only thing about it is that it's pretty narrow. Otherwise, I'm really liking it. $50 isn't exactly cheap, but it's not anywhere near the top end of the market. Really it's in the same range as many of the TWSBI, Lamy, and Faber-Castell pens.
@andrewtongue7084
3 жыл бұрын
Mike, you're completely insane !! ;D Just so that you're aware, the, "electrical resistor symbol" you speak of is actually a representation of Mount Fuji - hence the height in metres (3776) - ascribed to the nib, also - stay safe, both :)
@inkdependence
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah...I know that now. 😅
@andrewtongue7084
3 жыл бұрын
Smiling here, Mike - I'll give you an A minus instead of an A plus. Do pass on my regards to your lady wife - I spoke with Audrey on the phone when ordering a F-C pen (the 'Abditus'), late last year. Keep it real, Best, Andrew :D
@Balithazzarr
4 жыл бұрын
I'm stuck between a music or italic
@donna30044
7 жыл бұрын
Any thought s on the Noodler's Neponset?
@inkdependence
7 жыл бұрын
+Ankle Donna I don’t have one, but I’m not a big fan. The times seem to come out of alignment EVERY stroke. That’s more of a pain than I want to deal with.
@bikkies
2 жыл бұрын
A couple of days ago I finally received my first music nib in my first 3776. While it's a consistent writer, honestly it has not set my pulse racing so far. To write music, as I just said on the companion Figboot video, I get better results with a BB Pilot Plumix, which is basically a non-tipped stub. The aesthetics of the 3776 don't inspire me and the nib also leaves me lukewarm so far. I will be patient with it and will give it time to try and grow on me, but I currently can't see myself racing over to buy any more 3776s or Platinum music nibs. That's what makes this hobby so interesting though; the diversity of opinions, tastes and experiences.
@inkdependence
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry it’s not exciting you. I love the 3776, and have several of them. The diversity of design is one of the things we all love about the hobby. I hope it grows on you, though.
@bikkies
2 жыл бұрын
@@inkdependence I probably shouldn't have bought it in the same consignment as my first Pilot Custom 823, which blows all my other pens clean out of the water so far; or my first Souverän, an M600, which has the potential to win me over to some degree. So far this 3776 (the Century Chartres one) isn't even in the same league if I were to be asked which of the group I want to take out, enjoy, use, admire. Maybe in time it'll get there.
@inkdependence
2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. The 823 is extremely hard to beat. It’s an awesome pen in so many ways. You can’t get the Pilot music nib in it, as far as I know. Maybe there’s a Japanese store that sells them like that, and I’m not sure about that.
@bikkies
2 жыл бұрын
@@inkdependence This 823 has even displaced my Elite/E95S and my Lamy 2000, something I honestly didn't expect to happen. I'm going to have to keep pens like those in my rotation, force myself consciously to use them, because otherwise I'm going to just use the 823 until I've worn the nib all the way down to the feed. It's THAT alluring. Back on topic though, I was very intentional about this purchase and in terms of the 3776, this was specifically so I could experience a proper music nib. Because I've now done that, I don't regret the decision. There will always be things I buy that delight and exceed my expectations, others that underwhelm me. Both have their value in terms of broadening my experience.
@ragnorak56
2 жыл бұрын
@@bikkies What nib did you get with the 823?
@shaunpearson7905
5 жыл бұрын
These are waaaay too thick and wet for me (that's what she said), but thanks for the review. It helped me decide to pass on an ASC arco verde with a music nib.
@inkdependence
5 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@shadowmihaiu
6 жыл бұрын
Wait you said the Christoph was the best for writing music and made your music notes the best, but marked it 2nd because the 1911 was better for writing... i understand but ..
@inkdependence
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I get it. These lists are always subjective. The Christoph is better as a music nib, but the Sailor is best for writing the rest of the time. Believe me. I agonized over that one.
@evanmacdonald240
7 жыл бұрын
sweet blue ink!
@kalamospen
4 жыл бұрын
I love the Platinum Music.
@vermontmike9800
5 жыл бұрын
That FC nib looks an awful lot like a Goulet lens stub nib.
@inkdependence
5 жыл бұрын
Well, they’re both JoWo nibs, but the FC Christoph music nib is wider at 1.9mm and it has three tines.
@Shub99
6 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to let you know that I've finally got a music nib 😀✒️.... On a Pilot 742 ... With Iroshizuku Ina Ho ... Lovely combo
@inkdependence
6 жыл бұрын
Congrats!
@kinguccio668
3 жыл бұрын
Platinum is a giant!
@randy25rhoads
Жыл бұрын
On the topic of Sailor’s “music” nib… Boooooooooo! I know they’ve tried to justify it by pointing out that they grind it in a unique way try sets it apart from a normal stub nib, but mine writes JUST like a normal, stiff stub nib. So I don’t consider it a music nib at all. Great video though!
@inkdependence
Жыл бұрын
It's rounded around the front so that you can write with the tip on a music stand, but it's definitely not obviously a music nib like the other three are. That 3-tine design is a visual standout for sure.
@eddchango
5 жыл бұрын
Clicks on video, goes to grab a water bottle and a banana, hears intro...sound effect, 0.0...
@inkdependence
5 жыл бұрын
You don't like the barking seals?
@eddchango
5 жыл бұрын
ohhhhhh, that's what that was XD. Thank you for the information!
@josephmcdonald764
4 жыл бұрын
Didn't enjoy the lack of respect you showed for the lens by bunching them up and smacking them together.
@billcrabtree8700
7 жыл бұрын
I'm almost certain the pilot is 14k.
@kpurpose1078
7 жыл бұрын
A www Mike my ranking would differ but I still love ya! Lol!
@kpurpose1078
7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Love the review concept you worked out with figboot. 👍
@SevenDeMagnus
4 жыл бұрын
Cool nib. But it's just like a stub.
@demeanor76
6 жыл бұрын
This is very useful Mike, thank you. I'm sorry I gotta say this: can you learn to write properly? I mean you've been in this community quite some time but I'm kinda dizzy to see your handwriting and the way you write each pen in one page not orderly arranged makes me cringe a lot.
@depa7179
5 жыл бұрын
"you hate adds, I hate adds"😂🤣
@inkdependence
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you got a chuckle out of my ad. :)
@depa7179
5 жыл бұрын
@@inkdependence Man I was dying 😂 All the best 😉
@alexmood6407
7 жыл бұрын
I don't like music nibs, too unpractical. And a waste of money on gold for aesthetics.. I will take a good steel nib over these any time.
@witchplease77
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, I'm a musician and I'd like to buy a Franklin music nib, but I cannot seem to find them on-line.
@inkdependence
2 жыл бұрын
Here's a link: www.franklin-christoph.com/collections/fountain-pens/products/6-nib-units?variant=30057768419403
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