Very good and in depth explanation of how to optimize WF over the last weeks! I think the most important thing for some people to know about the deck and your videos is that playing WF is a choice because the player likes to play exactly this deck. WF is not more than a tier 2 deck in any world (with the card pool and banlist right now). It doesn't matter how you optimize or build it. Snake-Eyes and Yubel both with Fiendsmith engines are just more than one step ahead of every other deck. It's about optimizing WF to the max, not about building a deck that's better for US WCQ/EU WCQ than the other two options I mentioned. Keep it up!
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
coping for ban list nuke to take us mainstream
@LacaYGO
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO not to big or we will be the next. Let's stay under the radar haha
@NikoAmii
Ай бұрын
love your explanation for board breakers, totally makes sense
@user-kb8hy7nc4c
Ай бұрын
Just found your channel loving the WF content!
@Od9189
Ай бұрын
People are sleeping on this deck and the fact that calamity still exists too , GL on ur tour bro. Practice well and u will dominate with this deck.
@babrad
Ай бұрын
I love that you gave Satellite Warrior some spotlight, just like I mentioned in the super long comment about Yubel. On that note, if you play the Zapper Shrimp I believe Deep Beyond is mandatory. Full boardwipe wins every deck in the format and Zapper can trigger your followup already. Playing smart with chains, you can make Beyond a later chain and use your Toys and lvl2's before that anyway. I don't believe there are decks that can survive a Book of Eclipse + Equation Cannons in this format. That's why the main problem I try to solve is winning game 1. As some other comments said, I love using Bystials here typically in the place of Evenly (I don't really like this card). Taking away their IP or cheesing Engraver/Yama is an ok trade and the additional bodies are very helpful.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
i think the ghoti play is risky because ideally youd commit less to your board and if it doesnt workout youll be playing with a hindered end board post ROTA when we have main deck fuwaross there will be no question that ghoti is mandatory but i still mostly agree with you just because yubel is such a hard matchup that ghoti might be worth it anyhow. doesnt help when they go first so much tho
@HaseoDarkheart
Ай бұрын
I would like to try to the centurion version but its just sp expensive for a teir 2 deck. So imma just stick to the runick version for now. Great videos tho you fuel my WF hype lol.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
pure WF toy is still solid, has way more ed flex spots, is a lot cheaper, and can run prosperity without hurting. check some of my other videos for deck lists
@feuerweier
Ай бұрын
You make great Content , you have my Abo. I hope in future more With Woods content and other decks. And after new Banlist we need a Video for Withe Woods. Waht changes for the deck
@christg99
Ай бұрын
So why this over the White Forest Fiendsmith package? No Centur-Ion, just more hand traps. Just curious. I'm not going to the NAWCQ, but I am going to YCS Sacramento in a month. No new ban list by then, most likely. I'm still torn on this deck because I enjoy it, but I went to YCS Vegas and got obliterated by nonstop Snake-Eyes matches. The thought of going to another one, and having to face a more powerful Snake-Eyes build isn't too appealing, but I feel like I can prepare better this time now that I know what to expect. Either way, your videos have been super helpful not only in building White Forest, but decks in general. I really appreciate how you cut the BS and are super honest about ratios, advantages, extension, and synergy. Unlike other KZitemrs whom I won't name who just put titles like: "KONAMI JUST MADE THE MOST BROKEN DECK OF ALL TIME" when these cards came out, and showed off an interrupted combo playing through like one Nibiru with a pre-determined hand.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
i have a video dedicated to fiendsmith WF if you havent seen it already which goes over some of the niche interactions and the upside i think drawing fiendsmith cards is better than drawing centurion cards in general, but centurion gives you an actual, solid win con with crimson dragon the difference in playing through interruptions is not that obvious because oath and standup are powerful starter/extenders, while drawing trudea/primera forces you to change your combo i dont think one version is obviously better than the other right now, since i do play the minimum fs package here, but centurion version would for sure be much better in a breaker format in a hand trap format, maybe slight edge to the fs heavy version
@christg99
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO I have seen the Fiendsmith video, actually. I've seen quite a few of yours dedicated to White Forest, which is why you have my compliments for the video format. And I can see what you mean. Centur-Ion has a much higher ceiling and more easily accessible win condition, while Fiendsmith is almost exclusively reliant on the grindgame and focused interruptions. It's genuinely difficult to tell at this point which is precisely better, though I won't argue Centur-Ion will be better in a board breaker format. But part of why I'm preferring the Fiendsmith is how it's accessible at any point, whether you draw it or not, and whether your White Forest searches resolve or not. Two bodies, that's all you need. And drawing Fiendsmith + a White Forest hand isn't as bad as drawing, say, Astellar and Primera with no Toy engine. That shit hurts. That being said, I'll probably give both lists a try. I've got a whole month to practice. Or I'll practice with Yubel and borrow it from a friend lol. Still, thanks for the reply. And cheers.
@feuerweier
Ай бұрын
Yubel and Findsmith Snake can play around 1-2 bordbraker . 1 with The Findsmith Fusion and the still have princes and I:P in spell trap zone. And post side you lose about D Barrier
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
chaining a s/t to be able to irae neg drnm is a major plus in card economy for the person using dark ruler fyi if it wasnt clear in the video, WF is not a tier 1 deck - the problems of losing to these decks are tier list problems. the logic on hand trap wars remains the same
@Reidemptionv1
Ай бұрын
So do you feel like WF and Centur-Ion is the “best” way to play this deck? I built up WF + toys + handtraps and ran it at my locals. I felt like I could combo well enough, but if there’s something better I’m willing to try it
@LacaYGO
Ай бұрын
Centurion gives the deck 1. Extenders which are needed in the hand trap war against Snake-Eyes and 2. a very strong and clean win con. You should definitely try it as these are the things pure lacks the most. You still can open up to 16 slots for non engine if you optimize the ratios. Good luck!
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
if i was playing at a locals that wasnt super competitive, i would for sure play a hand trap version so as not to lose to random gimmicky decks or strong decks that arent as present at major events. you have more room for error and a better time with ht wars against decks that arent SE/yubel. the fsmith stuff is just broken in general so no reason not to play it aside from cost
@Reidemptionv1
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGOmy only problem is my locals has 3 matches (bo3 per match) for the night, and all the “rogue” decks typically lose match 1. I’ll try to get at least the rest of the Centur-Ion package going and see how much better that feels
@Reidemptionv1
Ай бұрын
@@LacaYGOThat’s for the explanation! I’m still pretty new so if stuff isn’t explained as explicitly as this I usually don’t fully understand😅 Thank you again!
@LacaYGO
Ай бұрын
@@Reidemptionv1 no problem. You could look into some of Bims other videos. He explains everything understandable and in detail👍
@cv_justice4774
Ай бұрын
kinda funny, i saw your breaker list, didnt like to play it, changed it to an Handtrap build, now compared it with yours and hey, our results are the same with only one distinction - i play 3 bystial rather than ogre.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
super super solid choice. makes hand trap card economy better. great for sync 10s
@babrad
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO Bystials are the best partners for Centurions into surprise Chaos Angels.
@vvizard_
Ай бұрын
Could you please explain the impact of Emblema Oath? While it may allow you to play through interruption, you just get locked to centurion extra deck monsters, how are you building any kind of board with that?
@jasonqi9222
Ай бұрын
You're only locked while the card you place is on the field, so if you synchro it away, you're not locked anymore
@camatkison8291
Ай бұрын
what two monsters do you usually use to go into baby goddess?
@i8u2manytimes
Ай бұрын
In the hand trap version would you use dominus purge as it can still be sent with your white forest cards?
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
yes - but remember that chaos angel is dark, and little knight is dark. so you have to keep that in mind if youre using purge from hand (going 2nd). otherwise no real conflict
@kevinalajko2756
Ай бұрын
So having only 1 silvy in the deck makes it a garnet. If you draw it with astellar then you cant summon it off astellar. And i know youll prob just say well its a 1 of you wont draw it much. But I still dont want to take that chance. Same reason I play 2 trudea. Esp trudea its not a brick going first its full cent combo if you dont have wf access
@LacaYGO
Ай бұрын
Playing Silve at 1 is correct in my opinion. Of course your point of not being able to special it from deck is true but you have Primera as a secondary target for Astella. Bim is on Prosp + 3 Soldier + 3 Box so his chances of having box acces is very high. Tank is there to bring out the Silve if it's in hand. Silve is just never a good draw because every other normal summon is better. So playing it at two just makes your hands worse and your normal summon count too high as there already are Astella, Trudea, Primera.
@kevinalajko2756
Ай бұрын
@@LacaYGO you do have a good point. Being able to just bring out primera instead works. What are your thoughts on 2 trudea? It you draw then what do you place with stand up?
@LacaYGO
Ай бұрын
@@kevinalajko2756 I also tested two Trudea for some time because I thought about the same reasons as you mentioned. In the end it turned out that putting in a second one only weakens your hands which is not viable in a format like we have now so I switched to one. If you draw it I place Primera and search Gargoyle. Discard for Stand Up is Trudea. You bring back Trudea with Tank and special Gargoyle by sending Trudea so you have Level 12. It's not optimal for sure but the combos stil work. In the end it's not relevant if the combos are not perfect ressource wise if you Calamity your opponent. If you searched Stand Up with Primera you just place Gargoyle (was better than playing Wake up/Phalanx) With 3 Astellar, 1 Trudea, 1 Primera you have exactly 5 normals which is optimal. If you don't have another Normal but Trudea you just normal it's as you said. It's still a good normal.
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
@@kevinalajko2756 solid answer from @LacaYgo trudea is not a card you want to draw, and the solution to not wanting to draw it isnt playing mroe of it since you will draw it more and further brick your hands as laca said, tank is heavily heavily underrated as a declogging tool for hand or grave, as its basically any body in hand or grave. because the centurion and wf cards easily bridge into each other, it actually doesnt matter what your materials are, you have to play less helmet though and recognize which materials are interchangeable with which. the centurion and wf monsters all use generic materials - there is not conflict
@pauldiaz9440
Ай бұрын
It's only played at 3 in pure variants cause you have too otherwise last thing you wanna do is open up multiple trudeas and or primeras
@alainvandamme972
Ай бұрын
I am still figuring everything out. I am now on the illusion package. Having a feeling that is plays 2 hard in droll. What do you think? I have a combinatiom of handtraps and droplet
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
droplet pairs poorly with hand traps because after using hts and droplet you have almost no cards left in a 2 card combo deck, so i would definitely not recommend that unless you build you deck to synergize with droplet, which i dont think is worth it compared to other breakers if by illusion package you mean magicians' souls - its a win more package that definitely isnt better than prosperity. the only reason not to play prosperity is if youre on fsmith cards and ed is tight
@alainvandamme972
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO thanks for the response! I dont have the fiends cards. So you would suggest what you say in the video. Handtraps or darkruler droplet. Then i will cut all. Thanks for all the videos much appreciated and you explain it very clear. Keep up the good work
@alainvandamme972
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGO one last questions. Bystials? Side or main
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
@@alainvandamme972 if youre on hand traps can be in the main for sure. otherwise can be in side
@superidol8463
Ай бұрын
12:45 what is four gate?
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
vorpgate
@RuizMarquezRicardo
Ай бұрын
What’s actually game name?
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
i dont know what youre asking
@RuizMarquezRicardo
Ай бұрын
@@BimYGOwhat’s game name body?
@BimYGO
Ай бұрын
@@RuizMarquezRicardo if you are asking about the yugioh simulator im using, its YGO Omega
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