"Edh Mythbusting" sounds like it has the potential to be a fantastic series. Have been having a ton of fun playing Adeline recently; I agree about mono-white!
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
We've really been doing it for a while, and I noticed and was like "why don't we just call it that?" Lol
@brendans1983
2 жыл бұрын
Adeline is nuts hey, fast starts with her are hectic
@firstandlast.1254
2 жыл бұрын
@@F4xP4s I've tried 3 times now :( I'm InfiniteLightningBolts on Moxfield
@commanderpower99
2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds you guys should make that logo :D
@danieledolfi1622
2 жыл бұрын
"why would you ask how good is white without the best cards" Because i'm poor. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
@therealjeromeo4366
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve said it since the beginning: white is not bad in commander, it’s just good in all the ways people hate. Mass land destruction, stax, removal, board wipes. At the core I see white as the removal color (or at least tied with blue for the control color)
@Imabirdhaww
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is the crux of it. All of White's weaknesses are curbed through proactive gameplay. The issue is ppl hate playing against those effects. I would say that aside from the effects in general, the experiences surrounding them due to poor deck pilots casting Armageddon just to stall the game has led to a large portion of this. White Trauma so to speak.
@jamesthomas6984
2 жыл бұрын
It was exceptionally bad as a mono until recently.
@timbombadil4046
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesthomas6984 Agreed, but it was because of the inability to generate card advantage. As good, or in the case of Esper Sentinel, great draw options became available, its shifted to being very viable.
@jamesthomas6984
2 жыл бұрын
@@timbombadil4046 just viable in high powered casual. Not a thing in cedh.
@rtmason714
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesthomas6984 ? Heliod is CEDH.
@jerryloiselle8507
2 жыл бұрын
Love this kind of video about colors. I would love a video about each one, and where do you place them (like ranking topic) their strenghts and weaknesses. I think it would be nice:)
@zackswanson7188
2 жыл бұрын
Until that video is made, there is a color ranking done by command zone. I believe they ranked it like bgurw.
@thomaspetrucka9173
Жыл бұрын
White's the most expensive because a lot of the key cards you need for card draw, ramp, and wincons are in super high demand, and have only been printed once. Now, a lot of those same types of cards are expensive in every color, but there aren't a lot of cheaper alternative to fill the deck with instead. It's a legitimate criticism.
@Imabirdhaww
2 жыл бұрын
I loved this. Deeper analytics for every color, combination of colors would be fun. I disagree with your conclusions on this subject, and I think it's critical that we as a community keep the dialogue going to improve the game in all the ways people like to play. 1) Ramp, card draw, etc. I agree with all your points and to an extent, the cards you mentioned, Magic is going in a better direction on this. However, the problem isn't one off instances in these, it's the cumulative inefficiency, white doesn't stack on itself as it's own engine, at least efficiently like the other colors can, even red. I mean by that, white is slow to build an advantage outside of its main lines of strengths i.e. mass removal or tax effects. If tax/ lock out effects weren't so maligned, this cumulative resource inefficiency would be curved. You're not playing or filtering to your avacyn faster than any other color could as an example. 2) Interaction. While you are 💯 right on board state removal, white is in a funky position. It's threats don't perform like green on the board nor is it as resilient as black, explosive as red, or protected as blue. Once again we can point to lock out+tax effects that mitigate in an interesting way, PROACTIVE interaction. But people hate playing against these. Outside of that, I don't really see Brought Back effects having the consistency to justify them as a position. 3) win conditions. Outside of alt-win life gain shenanigans, white does have some great combos, around Teshar and Heliod and similar. Love Teshar. But these win conditions are generally difficult to defend by comparison to any other color win conditions. This has become a long winded post and I am coming off as arrogant, text is difficult to convey a discussion in a KZitem comment. Especially since I really like white. Mono white aggro got me into Mtg back in the '90's. I just feel that the current state of our social agreements of not liking taxes, takes a large percentage of cards and strategies out of white that isn't present in other colors. As for red being weaker, I don't know. Ultimately, it might be, as the concept of direct damage on a card is wholly inefficient in commander unless it's combo-able. Red can't develop the board faster than white, but it can reach explosive turn plays significantly faster, I mean, mono red can storm, and we all know that's one of the most busted mechanics in the game and red is the kindling for it. Also, looting and rummaging are generally more efficient filter abilities than anything white has access to, allowing for more consistent combo lines. Anyways, not saying you're wrong "objectively", as i agree with almost all of your points, i view the conclusion a bit different. I just hope I brought up counterpoints that are at least noteworthy. Love the channel and I hope to see it continue to grow.
@curtisfarley6558
2 жыл бұрын
You didn't come off as arrogant. I 100% agreed with your analysis, thanks for the commentary
@eliamagri7413
2 жыл бұрын
Well thought!
@hiv0lt4ge27
2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more with you, Ironically both of my commander decks contain white (shorikai and sythis), but I still love both the decks and have competed in and won tournaments with these decks. White is a great supporting colour in my opinion, but lacks the ability to develope a strategy/deck around it.
@entertainmentinc9735
2 жыл бұрын
Mono white is still good, you guys just can’t play
@Imabirdhaww
2 жыл бұрын
@@entertainmentinc9735 now say it without your eyes getting all rainy 🌧
@wbw911
2 жыл бұрын
short version I'd say Red would win in a race (explosive play) but White would win in a marathon (attrition play)
@ljrandom147
8 ай бұрын
Agreed
@123darkdeal
2 жыл бұрын
LOL @ White mass removal. It might have the 4th most played mass removal spell if that. Cyclonic Rift, Blasphemous Act, and Toxic Deluge ALL see more play than any mono white mass removal.
@joshuadempsey5281
2 жыл бұрын
Ramp in green and Counterspells in blue are farrrr from the only points of depth in those colors (and the others). Green has tons of: pump/overrun effects, counters-matter effects, draw based on power, tutoring effects that put creatures right on the board, enchant and artifact removal, artifact-hate cards and hate-bears in general, go-wide/token creators and supporters, one of the strongest tribes w/ literally more good cards than could ever fill one deck even if the limit was 200 cards (elves), and more cuz I cant name them all. Blue has: bounce effects, card draw/card-advantage/wheel-effects, tutors (that are specific to instants/sorcery usually), extra turns, mill and self-mill, theft cards, copy/clone cards, artifact shenanigans, spells(instants/sorceries)-matter cards, staxy/law/lock-down cards. Black has: literally tons of tutors (and a fair amount of card draw too), creature target removal, spend-life-as-a-resource, drain-your-opponents'-life, sacrifice and aristocrats cards as well as the sac-payoffs, fill the graveyard effects, reanimate effects, tons of cards with some sort of "downside for a payoff" (i think of them as "ends justifies the means" cards), huge mana dump/x-spell haymakers, and more that I know im forgetting. In those 3 colors we have tons of depth where if you deleted the top 10 cards in each color, theyd still be the best 3 colors with lots of depth. Red is almost there as well, but its def less diverse in its depth - but here goes: dragons, goblins, loot/rummage/impulsive draw, artifact love, artifact hate, burn and x-spell effects, spell copiers/redirect effects, combat tricks, temporary creature theft, group-slug effects, hate bears and burn-boosters, land destruction (its a valid strat lol). If you remove the 10 best cards from red, it does become noticeably weaker I think. I *DO NOT* think white is as bad as people say - BUT - it is definitely lacking in its depth. THAT BEING SAID, the things it does well - it does very well with massive depth: tokens, anthems, combat tricks, protection, removal, pillowfort, lifegain (this is weak in edh but still should be mentioned). If you remove whites 10 best cards, the types of cards/strategies I just mentioned are pretty much still working at full strength with as much depth as green ramp and blue counters. BUT removing those best cards does take away whites only real draw and ramp effects, which 100% does make white noticeably weaker. Okay... if you're still with me (and I hope you are before you comment (also i def like to have a good discussion and am open to changing my mind)), I think that Red is actually the weakest color to be honest.
@robertdarnhofer536
2 жыл бұрын
i gues "viable" can be interpreted in a lot of ways but the higher the powerlevel the weaker mono red and mono white gets in a multiplayer game... duel commander is another story as the strenghts of red and white can shine more... white got a boost of card quality with the last few sets "like 3-4 sets" but the major issues "lack of themes" and diversity of top cards for each color on edhrec compared "top 25 or top 100" is still lacking...
@joshuadempsey5281
2 жыл бұрын
@@robertdarnhofer536 yeah I would say I totally agree
@couchsidecommentary1654
Жыл бұрын
White gains health like mad efficiently. Not only does it have board wipes but also board saves! ( Brave the Elements / Teferi's Protection / Flawless Maneuver)
@thomaspetrucka9173
Жыл бұрын
White is the best at removal, board wipes, stax, protection, and life gain. It's also really good at combat advantage, and recently it's been really good for land drops and card draw--even if you don't have a ton of options in those areas.
@penguin7435
2 жыл бұрын
Mono white was the first deck I ever made. And I can personally say I completely annihilated a CEDH game litterally yesterday with it. And I'd Drew so many cards u probably wouldn't even believe it 😅 we have had nahiri as commander for 10 years and nobody ever cares that nahiri clamp is +2 draw 2 and there's PLENTY of cards that find skull clamp Open the armory Stone forge mystic enlightened tutor it's freaking great. Still a teferi's protection or a faiths reward behind armegeddon or cataclysm or ravages of war and you litterally win. I've been so passionate about mono white and this is probably my favorite video from you guys yet. Thank you so much
@commanderpower99
2 жыл бұрын
I used to avoid building any White deck for commander thinking that it was a 'bad color'. Then I took the "challenge" of building an Adeline deck and I was shocked that people think white is bad. I can remove any permanent, wipe the board, draw cards, buff my team, protect my team, ramp with lands and rocks. Anything! It also definitely has depth on token makers and token-based card draw (sure some of them are subpar but it is better than nothing). Also, you have 5-6 white staples to find skullclamp and go NUTZ!
@skykur
2 жыл бұрын
Adeline bros rise up. My playgroup is scared as hell of my adeline deck
@SvviftDeath
2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the exclusive "White's not bad" club. It can do so much more then tokens too. I would say it is my second favorite color.
@daverichards9141
Жыл бұрын
Yep, white is very versatile.
@TheAmazingSpiderman87
2 жыл бұрын
Joe Cherries: All colors lack in some area. Green: I'm about to end this man's career.
@jajahatman8842
2 жыл бұрын
Green is good at almost everything, but when it comes to boardwipes, there’s only Ezuri’s Predation and Monstrous Onslaught for mono green boardwipes
@ellak531
2 жыл бұрын
I can’t say I agree on the “Red has the worst card draw” argument. As long as you have 1 card in your hand, cards like Tormented Voice, Cathartic Reunion and Faithless Looting are live and quite good.
@oneeyedstranger4072
2 жыл бұрын
I think the issue a lot of players have with mono white is that I don't think it does as good at job at providing unique setups and payoffs as other colors do that don't result in going wide or going tall and swinging in combat.
@XionXLR8
2 жыл бұрын
Certain stax pieces go a long way in bringing other strategies down to mono whites level and forcing them to play their game. Red arguably has a much harder time achieving this alone.
@Imabirdhaww
2 жыл бұрын
If you're not hated out of the group for playing stax. I understand why ppl don't like it, but I don't agree with them. I like the texture it brings to the table and how you are forced to adjust your strategy. It's like the Dark Souls boss of MTG lol.
@bye1551
2 жыл бұрын
@@Imabirdhaww fair, you're allowed to like stax, but people are allowed to dislike them. (Obviously you were very respectful and I appreciate that) I personally just dislike playing against stax cause I'm a Timmy, and stax is way worse for Timmy's. Being on the stack is fine, since stax generally only affects the board. But again, you're allowed to like them, and I hope you find a group that lets you play what you find fun, while everyone else has a good time as well!
@adedamolayusuff5995
2 жыл бұрын
@@bye1551 I'm only realising this now, seeing as I also don't like playing against stax, that we tend to say "I'm not going to play against that seeing as I don't like that." Not to be disrespectful, but I think that may, just may, be an immature approach to things. It leaves no room for growth, no room for creativity. Maybe if more people took the challenge of playing against stax, then we might find new ways to combat it, new strategies, a new approach to the game. Our decks may be more flexible to accommodate for playing against and finding solutions to a stax deck.
@bye1551
2 жыл бұрын
@@adedamolayusuff5995 While I understand what you're saying, I feel you're approaching this from a competitive angle. The philosophy of "I want to win, so I will counter this strategy I struggle against" however, I personally don't care for winning. I'd like to win, yes, but I value fun more so. If I resolve my big splashy spell then die immediately, I will have had much more fun, and enjoyed the game more, than destroying everyone's lands and winning. While I understand your argument, I disagree that it's "immature" to value your time and expect a level of enjoyment out of a game. I don't sit down to a commander game to try my hardest and get every percentage point possible, I play to have fun. I mean, I go for flavour wins for crying out loud! Flavour wins, in a singleton format! That's the least competitive you can get haha
@adedamolayusuff5995
2 жыл бұрын
@@bye1551 You're completely right, I am a competitive person😅. I actually agree with you that I might be wrong since some people seek enjoyment and stax may kill that. It's just that, for me, I find more enjoyment in coming out on top of a very difficult, grindy, game. But as I said, some people just wanna have fun. It would depend on your playgroup really. One would have to find players that are accommodating to one's own play style. If that's achieved then there won't be a problem anyway.
@garyoakes1869
2 жыл бұрын
So I gotta say I think you guys completely missed with your evaluation of impulse draw. You basically just said it isn't technically real draw so it doesn't count in this competition. But I think red has so many amazing impulse draw spells that it blows any real draw white has out of the water. Not even close. The other thing you guys didn't touch on at all is how much mana red can produce through treasures these days. Making treasures and keeping them to play 7 mana spells on turn 4 is again way better than the vanilla get 1 plains stuff that white has. Red wins mana and card draw by a mile imo.
@edhsanatorium7167
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Gary . These guys talk about EDH from a non competetive aspect but they never do that disclaimer before the video. Red is a better color overall than White . At least you can play mono red EDH decks with Neheb the eternal , Krenko mob boss , Zada , Ragavan or Purphoros. Mono white commanders are bad the best mono white commander are Light-paws , Rick form walking dead and Bala and that’s about it .
@l-gzy7400
2 жыл бұрын
@@edhsanatorium7167 .... The best mono-white commander is Heliod
@astuteanansi4935
2 жыл бұрын
@@edhsanatorium7167 Oswald Fiddlebender? Elesh Norn? Oketra? Sephara, Sky's Blade? Sram? Danitha? Heliod? There are plenty of good mono-white commanders
@edhsanatorium7167
2 жыл бұрын
@@l-gzy7400 yeah I forgot about him . But if you really want to close games with him you should use aether flux reservoir.
@edhsanatorium7167
2 жыл бұрын
@@astuteanansi4935 Heliod is the best one you mentioned but needs aether flux reservoir to really close games fast , Sephara and sram are ok in lower power level form of play .Oswald is too clunky and Elesh is very costly and any half decent Magic player knows that if she hits the battlefield she would cause lots of trouble. Elesh reminds me of Banned Iona , she is not bad just too pricey and to bluntly powerful therefore will get hated out of the field fast. Obviously Iona is better than Elesh. Oketra is interesting because she is really low key and can get out of hand quickly but Danitha is not better than light paws or Balan. Wizards of the coast even knows that white is the weakest color in EDH so they are slowly putting out good white cards .
@RecoveringSpartan
2 жыл бұрын
I love your content and I'm often very impressed by your ability to form strong logical arguments. This video is probably the closest to a miss (still great, so maybe just least best?) In a while for me. Refuting an argument that white is generally weaker, or a support color, by describing anecdotal counterexamples doesn't actually disprove that generalization. For example, NBA players are tall. Muggsy Bogues was an NBA player at 5'3" but that doesn't disprove the general statement from before. Maybe I am mistaking the intent of the video. I get more of a "despite these challenges for white, you can still overcome them with these examples" vibe vs "these myths are actually untrue". I might be Nitpicking but... That's the brand lol.
@mthlay15
2 жыл бұрын
Around 18 minutes in the Nitpickers start to discuss Red vs White and towards the end they mention this idea. That "there is some gap but I don't think it's a problematic gap" and "so what". I think that what they say here is because of the way the color pie is structured. White excells in many aspects of what makes a good deck but so do the other colors. There's something like 20k cards out there. All of the colors can and do win games.
@RecoveringSpartan
2 жыл бұрын
@@mthlay15 I totally agree with those sentiments, and I think they presented those conclusions well and supported them with good arguments. However, that's not what I'm talking about. Just rewatched, and I think there's 2 specific sections where I felt their counterarguments were pretty weak, and the rest all felt well articulated and supported. "White is Expensive" felt like a bit of a straw-man (might be using this wrong), in that they discredited it by saying that if you're discussing power that all colors get weaker when you remove the most expensive cards. I think that isn't a fair way to engage with the "White is Expensive" statement, a better analysis would focus on how white card quality is not disproportionately worsened as your budget decreases. I agree that white is not particularly more expensive than other colors for comparative power levels, but the argument made in the video didn't seem to support the conclusion well. And for "White is a Support Color" the argument felt like a hasty generalization. They presented a few anecdotes of decks where white is the main color, or other decks with no obvious support color. I think there are strong arguments that white is more than just a support color, I just didn't see them made in this video. Those are really the only two sections that I didn't vibe with (had issue with seems too strong) and it caught me off guard since typically they present really strong logical arguments in my opinion. I think the channel and content is awesome, so on the rare occasion that I perceive an opportunity to improve it I want to share that so the channel gets that much better.
@astuteanansi4935
2 жыл бұрын
@@RecoveringSpartan I don't really understand why white being a "support color" is an argument against it in the first place. What does "support color" even mean? That it has a lot of protection effects and creature buffs? Is that a bad thing? White tends to rely on overwhelming the opponent with creatures so it needs these support effects to keep its board. That's just what the color does. What makes that a problem?
@RecoveringSpartan
2 жыл бұрын
@@astuteanansi4935 those are all fair observations, I don't think white being a better support color than a main color would necessarily be a bad thing. And I'm not sure if white should be considered a support color or not, but that doesn't change my observations. I don't disagree with the Nerds' conclusions or philosophy, but I think they didn't present strong supporting arguments for those specific topics, and based on their previous content and even the rest of this video I'm confident they're more than capable of doing so. Just because an argument supports a true conclusion does not mean the argument being made is sound itself. Edit: I realize I may not have actually engaged with your primary comment. A "support color" seems to me like a color that is good at filling in the gaps or weaknesses of another color, but not necessarily capable of achieving victory on its own merits, like a support in League of Legends which has great crowd control but doesn't scale well to actually win games on their own. I don't think any of the colors are strictly support colors, but they can all act as support roles in different ways and different decks/color combinations.
@astuteanansi4935
2 жыл бұрын
@@RecoveringSpartan If anything, blue could be considered a support color. Blue has very powerful utility effects - the best card draw and card selection, counterspells, bounces, powerful instants and sorceries. But blue has no damage capabilities, traditionally weak creatures (outside of some fliers and sea monsters), and very little in the way of permanent removal. But nobody calls blue a bad color...
@rjbennett5496
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a mono white advocate since 2012 when I first got into MTG. I ended up liquidating the majority of my collection about 2 years later, but I always tried to keep up with the know how the best I could. That said, I came back about a year ago, and revamp’d my original Avacyn (don’t judge me) deck. The strategy of keeping avacyn out and protected whilst constantly wiping the board was so much more consistent with some of the new staples in there. I feel like lot of the arguments for each “white is bad at X thing,” are tad dated and rooted in bias. I’m not trying to say the color identity is perfect and without it flaws, I just feel as though the gap as been closed plenty enough for white to be deadly. Ramp/Mana base: Weathered Wayfarer (sucks on the play, but it grabs ANY land) Loyal Warhound Knight of the White Orchard Keeper of the Accord Endless horizons (watch out for removal) Technically Path, but don’t 🙃 Card Draw: Esper Sentinel Welcoming Vampire Mentor of the Meek Bygone Bishop (weenie deck) Mesa Enchantress (in heavy enchant decks) Dawn of Hope Alms Collector turns Secret rendezvous into a 3 mana draw 4, opponent draws 1 Removal: Solitude, Path, Swords, and so on I don’t need to cover this white hands down has so much access to powerful/flexible removal. Protection: Tefari’s protection Angel’s grace Flickering Ward and a million other variations on make your pieces/board pro X color/thing. Same as removal literally some of the most reliable and effective cards at what they do. Tutors (yes tutors): Enlightened tutor Steelshaper’s gift Stoneforge mystic (doubles as an equip cost reducer) Open the armory Ranger captain of Eos Recruiter of the Guard While they’re not the most efficient, and have restrictions on what you can grab, they’re still tutors. A vamp or demonic will always outclass even the most efficient ones (enlightened/steel), but it has variety to choose from. Planeswalker, enchant/aura, Legendary, snow permanent. They’re less straightforward, somewhat mor restrictive individually, but you have so many options that are decently viable. There’s plenty of combos that are really fun and feel good to do when you pull them off. Ugin + 8 and half is a personal favorite. You can wipe the board and then play cheap instants that get your stuff back, sevienne’s reclamation is recur A PERMANENT (3 cmc or less) with FLASHBACK. In white. Regarding the stax debate: My stance on this is simple, it comes down to rule 0. With that said, determining how good a color is at something based off of either 1. Not being able to play it cuz your group won’t allow stax, or 2. Because your group (or the pod you’re participating in) DOES allow stax and you’re not having fun cuz you don’t like stax. My group doesn’t mind stax, so I get to play a lot of the big lockdown things. Yes it can be frustrating/annoying for my table to play against. However if you establish expectations before the game, like you’re supposed to, there shouldn’t be an issue. I don’t think it’s fair to say white sucks because stax isn’t fun, and if you can’t play stax, white has nothing/is bad. This is all without any mention from artifacts, or multi colored. None of the stax potential/synergy. WHITE IS AMAZING paired with anything. Providing ample amounts of utility to a pairing color that might’ve had no options otherwise. I would like to wrap up this novel by saying that I’m not trying to imply the stuff white does have access too is the best, or even close to auto includes for every deck. I didn’t cover every card, and not every card I mentioned is worth playing 100% of the time. I’m just defending an archetype and color identity that I’ve associated in my deck building since I started playing. Apologies again for the essay. I agree with a lot of what y’all said in the video! Love the content. Been watching y’all since I found the channel! Thanks for the continued hard work ✌🏻
@Threads_Of_Fate
2 жыл бұрын
It's fine to play Path as ramp, if you can generate a token it's amazing. I like legions' landing with path early game as it's pretty memey while still being an actually good play.
@rjbennett5496
2 жыл бұрын
@@Threads_Of_Fate I agree! There’s a similar shenanigan you can do if you have the 4 for settle the wreckage with tokens. You can also be super jank and play matyr’s cry and for 2 you can draw for as many tokens you can kill to it. Fun stuff 🤣
@ljrandom147
8 ай бұрын
White is right
@SaraKkkkkkkk
2 жыл бұрын
I think the "support colour" thing comes because players see the excellent removal as supporting other colours strategies. EX: Throw the removal into a mainly green deck, with a green win-con, and it definitely feels like a "support".
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly have never felt this way about any color in magic. White excels in a lot of areas.
@SaraKkkkkkkk
2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds Hey, and that's fine! In my mind, any colour can be the "support colour" in any given deck - if you define it as the "secondary, non-win-con" colour, but helps you get to the win-con. It all comes down to definitions. But if you see your deck as a cohesive whole with all colours working equally, then the term "support colour" falls away.
@Seergun
2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds I think the "white is a support color" think is mainly coming over from 60 card formats, especially modern, where white has amazing hate pieces to bring in out of the sideboard e.g. rest in piece, stony silence
@joelmacgregor2615
2 жыл бұрын
White ramp: Everyone can play sword pf the animist, and sword of hearth and home, But white can find these with stoneforge mystic, enlightened tutor, relic seeker etc Sword of hearth and home can flicker stoneforge mystic and knight of the white orchid, the dog, the pilgrim etc Sun Titan can also recur wayfarers bauble, fetch lands and exploration map for repeatable action. And let’s not forget land tax
@Threads_Of_Fate
2 жыл бұрын
I will add that Lotus Vale and Lotus Field are good options for White, as they help put lands in the grave, which allows it to be used to ramp later, and they reduce your land count so your other ramp conditions are actually meet. Also sticking using a path to exile with isochron scepter in a token spam deck can be pretty fun ramp.
@daverichards9141
Жыл бұрын
Nykthos, sword of the animist too. Also you could use oblation on yourself.
@dustinchang5089
2 жыл бұрын
Calling red bad for only having impulse draw and then calling wall or mourning card draw?
@SicariusIV
2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you talked about White's ramp and didn't mention Land Tax. It's lands to hand, sure, but Restoration of Eiganjo is also that and it was in the list. Awesome video, I've always maintained that mono-white is a lot stronger than most people give it credit for!
@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299
2 жыл бұрын
Even later when you don't need the lands you can basically ensure you remove 3 land drops from your deck giving you better card draw later. Personally I have a mono colour deck for each colour and they all perform good, I don't really see the issue beyond personal card choices for decks :P
@SicariusIV
2 жыл бұрын
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 Indeed! Removing 3 basic lands from your deck is a really, really strong effect. It's probably the only white ramp I'd play even in a green-white deck.
@CrewMate-r1m
2 жыл бұрын
Restoration of Eiganjo puts a land into play on its second chapter if you discard a Plains from hand; that's why it's considered ramp
@anthonyromeo9875
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU I've been saying this forever! People are always trashing white but I've found myself wanting white in my decks all the time! Smothering tithe, tefaris protection, esper sentinel, vanquish the hoards, path to exile/swords to plowshare. Just to names a few staples! White is not the worst color!
@dustinchang5089
2 жыл бұрын
All relatively expensive cards though, and even if you want white, are you wanting to. ONLY play white?
@dominicsandoval2214
2 жыл бұрын
Recruiter of the guard is an amazing tutor especially in white but even outside of it. It fetches some of my favorite cards: esper sentienal, dockside extortionist, elvish piper, fauna shaman, dark confidant, duathi voidwalker just to name few. If it has a small butt, it can be fetched
@adedamolayusuff5995
2 жыл бұрын
@@dustinchang5089 If you want to build a very strong deck then nobody wants to ONLY build with one colour. Also, saying "but those cards are too expensive" is such a weak argument because we are talking about the overall colour and not all the cards in the colour that are under 1 dollar.
@anthonyromeo9875
2 жыл бұрын
@@dustinchang5089 with all do respect nobody is talking about budget I am strictly talking about how white is a very good color and people hate on it even with its great options
@antfayden4559
2 жыл бұрын
Those are great cards but are more support cards then anything. Like if I have a blue deck then sure adding white for those staples is amazing. We are talking about building monocolored tho
@whimsicll
2 жыл бұрын
People saying white is bad just confuses me. Ive been playing Light-Paws a lot recently and I win a good amount but there is this dude that gets super salty and shit talks mono-white every time. If i get archenemied out it's "heh monowhite is such a shit deck type" and when i win it's always "you just got lucky, white is awful" like bruh, I just don't get it you see my building a threatening board consistently turn 3. You see me lock down the board with auras constantly. You see me boardwipe multiple times a game while never running out of card advantage... When does it become obvious that mono white isn't that bad lol. Dude plays nothing but dimir zombies so I'm honestly not surprised tho lol
@gemkid85
2 жыл бұрын
Well the problem stems from a definition argument. Worst doesn't always mean bad. The worst NFL player would still destroy us at football.
@TacoWednesday08
2 жыл бұрын
My succulent, Irwin, is pleased with the progress in wishing happy birthdays to pets and hopes one day plants get scientifically determined birthdays too. My “Detain-gels” deck also feels seen (just splashes blue for draw)
@jrwall336
2 жыл бұрын
I actually really like these points. The last time I went up against a mono white deck, I got stomped (and fairly too), no land destruction or stacks. Not even control. I think most folks just aren’t TRYING to build a mono white deck (at least in my local meta). The more I think about it, I could throw together a quick 7 with what I have in my collection.
@Sanjuro333
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Monowhite being bad doesn't mean the color as a whole is bad. White being supported by other colors for their card draw is the way to go, and it's why Boros in particular is one of the weaker color combos, as red doesn't do as good of a job as the other colors in helping with white's weaknesses. I think commanders like Light-paws also are making Monowhite much less of a joke as it used to be.
@brett7372
2 жыл бұрын
I think mono white lacks any good mono color commander while the other colors do have a solid choice.
@Flumpor
2 жыл бұрын
@@brett7372 Heliod, Sram, Teshar, Light-Paws, Oswald. Ao is also turning out very strong and if you don't mind land destruction Eight-and-a-half-tails coloring opponents lands to remove them is pretty sick. White has good commanders
@brett7372
2 жыл бұрын
@@Flumpor I would argue they are mediocre compared to something like selvala or Godo.
@seiryubox4996
2 жыл бұрын
"Monowhite doesn't suck" Picture has cards from after the solutions arrived lol
@Jonzin4BeatzNYC
2 жыл бұрын
Mind blown time. I have a graphic t-shirt addiction with over 100 graphic t-shirts. In addition to that I own somewhere between 4 and 8 of each of: tank tops, sleeveless shirts, dry fit shirts, solid color shirts, under shirts, dress shirts, polo shirts, and short sleeve collared shirts. I admit it has been a while since I purchased a new shirt as I have no room and some of my shirts are over 10 years old. POW
@lukemcgowan1373
2 жыл бұрын
I really love the videos u guys make and its crazy how creative you guys are for new ideas every single day. really appreciate you guys!!
@robertdarnhofer536
2 жыл бұрын
white got a boost of card quality with the last few sets "like 3 sets" but the major issues "lack of themes" and "top 25/100 cards of each color" still remains...
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
White has themes, it can do tokens, +1/+1 counters, auras, equipment, blink, what do you mean by Top 25/100?
@robertdarnhofer536
2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds i gues "viable" can be interpreted in a lot of ways but the higher the powerlevel the weaker mono red and mono white gets... diversity of top cards for each color on edhrec compared
@colinbrown74
2 жыл бұрын
I think people say White has a hard time closing out games because it doesn’t have a poster card of “I resolve this, you die”. Blue has Expropriate and usually Cyclonic Rift. Black has Torment of Hailfire. Red has Insurrection and Fiery Emancipation. Green has Craterhoof. There isn’t really a White card that is famous for ending games without combining it with something else. Akroma’s Will may get there, but it hasn’t had a spotlight put on it.
@savinobalducci6148
2 жыл бұрын
Nerds, i would love a tier list or a "What x are worth" about white catch up cards(ex. Weathered Wayfarer), catch up ramp in specifically (ex. Loyal Warhound) or other form of unconventional Ramp/Card Advantage specific and unique in white (Sunseed Nurturer,Sevinne's Reclamation,Endless Horizons)
@simontorell1549
2 жыл бұрын
I would say that red beats white EASILY in the card advantage department (looting + impulse), but as long as you are building a white deck focused on small creatures/ artifacts you could easily fill a whole deck with creatures that "cantrip" upon etb
@simontorell1549
2 жыл бұрын
@@jordan-tx7os impulse is almost as good as regular draw so long as you play proactive and cheap cards. It is a sacrifice, to be sure, but not a great one. Looting effects are almost as good as draw (sometimes even better) if your deck cares about the graveyard. If you are in red and care about neither, then sure, it's not great, but I tend to care about my graveyard and like to play cheap cards
@sometimes...icomment7456
2 жыл бұрын
I've been playing monowhite for 10 years and I agree with most of this video. I think the fact that many good white cards are expensive (real money) is white's real problem. You also need many expensive colorless/artifact support cards like boseiju or cavern of souls if you do tribal. Because of that, many people don't see or play the good cards and think it's not good. My playgroup began to always target me because they assumed I'd always have answers to everything. Weatheredwayfarer was staple to get boseiju to prevent boardwipes from being countered. If control and boardwipes aren't your thing, I also found a soldier deck could do pretty good with that Lionel commander that makes a token on attack or block with vigilance. If nobody answers the commander, by turn 4 or 5 you can have a decent amount of tokens (and other soldiers, hopefully ones that buff each other) and you're ready to drop some type of anthem effects (coat of arms, true conviction) and smash someone.
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
You do comment sometimes :)
@zacharybecker8228
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy tribal angel mono white it works better than it should especially in the last 2 years the amount of angel support
@schrottinator
2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the biggest problem is that making fun of white has become a meme.
@hellowillo1083
2 жыл бұрын
I like how Joe just stares at the cat when beezy is talking
@danielgoldberg2129
2 жыл бұрын
White has a lot of evasion too. Tons of flyers or go wide with tokens or weenies. How about access to equipment? Pretty darn good at that too.
@davisactual
2 жыл бұрын
I love how passionate Joe gets in these... he loves magic so much
@spencerp6190
2 жыл бұрын
my workaround for red's lack of enchantment removal - Liquimetal torque, turn it into an artifact and destroy it with one of the million red cards that destroy artifacts.
@Uefeti
2 жыл бұрын
7:45 This is just a bad argument Literally every color has a infinite-combo, the problem with white is that white combo’s suck! (Except for geliod) Red Dualkaster/Twinflame line is just miles better than anything white can offer
@Imabirdhaww
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah most of whites consistent combos are 4 cards. That's a lot of surface to be able to interact with and too much to defend against.
@Uefeti
2 жыл бұрын
@@Leovold Eh, to be fair its often the case with any other mono-colour combos. But, you’re right, i don’t there are a good combos which includes only white cards.
@JustforKikX
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Recently made Light-Paws. Serra's sanctum, esper sentinel, land tax, smothering tithe etc. White slaps now; not the most powerful colour, but it's had a lot of support lately.
@zacharybecker8228
2 жыл бұрын
Those r also very expensive cards that not alot of people will have access to
@christopherpoxon9508
2 жыл бұрын
My wife runs a Kemba "Voltron", kicks the crap outta the house, scares me even when it runs slow.
@dylangarcia2644
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why people say green so SO bad at answering creatures. Fight effects, deal damage effects. Deal damage effects work particularly good with death to touch
@HighlanderHipster
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Birthday wishes. 😊 Totally agree white has it's strengths and weaknesses (like every color), but that doesn't mean it's worth ragging on. It's always good to take a step back and see what you are trying to accomplish and see what benefits you can receive by keeping your mind open.
@Llewfran
2 жыл бұрын
The problem with White in EDH lies with the "Unwritten rules". If your group allows aggressive land destruction and stax, watch out Blue and Green. By not allowing these strategies you drastically reduce it's power. By slowing down the green decks land ramp, white can keep up even with limited card draw.
@lucien134
2 жыл бұрын
There's no way white is remotely bad, especially with a broken card like Secret Rendezvous
@michaelcollins4534
2 жыл бұрын
Red out here crying wishing it had card draw half as good as secret rendezvous
@@phrikaphrak40k can I get a lil draw power without having to rummage or go down on resources. Red is hands down the worst at playing with it's graveyard (yes ik ub exists and no one card that is very powerful is not going to fix that)
@Sonicmaster4
2 жыл бұрын
White being considered the worst color has won me a lot of games because people often ignore me in random pods because white is "so bad."
@Andreasws24
2 жыл бұрын
White is also the best color at blinking stuff. That's actually really important.
@zacharybecker8228
2 жыл бұрын
Now for price staples white is starting to hurt other colors are also going up but other colors seem to have more backup cards
@demilembias2527
2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for thinking critically, "white is bad at ramping" (in particular) is one of those rare memes that is so widespread it gets accepted as actual fact by people who are otherwise expert enough to know that it isn't really true. it seriously annoys me so much when even like Command Zone and Commanders Quarters just talk about how white has no ramp because that's what everyone else says.
@Greg501-
2 жыл бұрын
Mono-White has the least amount of "good stuff" cards for my 5-color deck, thus White is the worst color
@RogueoftheRepublic
2 жыл бұрын
I have a mono white commander deck. If I do not win, I can determine who will. Last time I had all 3 team up agaist me. When they all attacked me I was not able to stannd up to the overwhelming onslaoght. I took one out and crippled another one. Giving the game to the other remaining player.
My issue is white doesn't do anything unique. Blue has counters, green has ramp, black has discard, red has burn/chaos. White gets stax, which are strong, but generally not acceptable at more casual tables. I think white needs to lean into caring about WHAT is in exile either it's own or the opponents. Since white gets to exile things it only makes sense it would care about what it sent away.
@danldigby
2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe no one is answering the question. Three. I have three shirts. It's difficult, and some times I find myself having to wear pants on my arms to keep warm.
@andrewbetz535
2 жыл бұрын
White is the best color in standard so everything is balanced
@GavlockX
2 жыл бұрын
Coming from cedh the noncompetative view is interesting. Red has way higher levels of explosiveness compared to white and black is more consistent. White is almost definitely the weakest but all colors are essential.
@DarthChocolate15
2 жыл бұрын
Coming from a non competitive view, but when talking about how white closes out games effectively talking about combo, which a lot of middling power level groups will (mostly) avoid.
@joshuacole4141
2 жыл бұрын
This is the most based take I've seen you guys make. I recently started doing the 32 deck challenge (making a deck with every color combo) and I'm always most excited to make decks with white. I'm currently 9 out of 32 decks and 6 of those decks have white. I'm liking the white include too much lol.
@joshholmes1372
2 жыл бұрын
Think there are only 31 combinations? Or is colourless one? That would make it 32. This is a cool ass concept
@zxxDarkLightxxz
2 жыл бұрын
I am at 26 decks on this, or well, actually im at a little less than 26 because I have multiple of a few color combinations like Sultai because I fell in love with my Muldrotha deck. Lol. Mono white was a bit of a struggle for me at first, tried a soldier tribal at first but it struggled, then I made Avacyn angel tribal and has been happy with it since 😄 Suuper strong commander if you can survive until you get to slam Avacyn down. Everything indestructible. Then you just do boardwipe tribal basically. XD
@zxxDarkLightxxz
2 жыл бұрын
@@joshholmes1372 And yes, colourless counts as one. ^^
@koloblicin9721
2 жыл бұрын
On the ramp front, I think you guys ignored the strengths of treasure token ramp in black, blue, and red.
@BattleAxeRX
2 жыл бұрын
I like that red doesn't have tutoring strength and don't believe it ever should. It doesn't feel right. That card slot should just be burn, an answer, aggro creature, etc. Red is about speed usually and tutoring just feels slow. My group plays hardly any at all. I have a Gamble in an aggro deck and i feel that it's fast and balanced enough to fit the theme. What other red tutor do i have time for? Are there any others? I hope not, don't like'em. And don't need'em.
@MikhailHudon_ZerithFarron
2 жыл бұрын
Living exclusively in Azorius(and some times one more colour mixed in) my whole career I can confirm that there's a lot of good synergy in there for defensive players like myself. Phasing, Healing, Removal, Blinking, Bouncing, Tax, Stax, Group Hug, Tapping, Countering, Indestructible... There's just so many ways to diffuse situations and deescalate matches.
@1235q
2 жыл бұрын
White has some great, interesting commanders (Teshar, Light-Paws, Oketra etc.) but it's not that many to be honest. Also, white lacks big ways to win the game on the spot, that don't require you to already have a big board. Other than that, yeah white is good, fun, and is only going to keep getting stronger, as I doubt WotC will go back to releasing shitty white legendaries and overpriced/superniche mythics.
@SvviftDeath
2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of great mono white commanders. It just depends on how you want to play the deck specifically. I looked at EDHREC while they were talking about that same subject and I was surprised at how many I could make strong decks from. You have a lot of variety and you could make a deck that has a focus in several different themes. I like to challenge myself by building decks around bad themes and trying to make them as good as I can while keeping the core theme intact ie Boros Energy, that was a difficult one. I find a lot of alternate ways around problems and it broadens your view of the game as a whole. I was off the white is worst color train years ago and I agree with Joe and Beezy about Red now being the most lacking. Not to say it is bad, it just has it's own strengths that require you to build in a way that uses their advantages to the fullest. I am known in my group as the combo player. I play undervalued or non mainstream combos and I can say white has some interesting ones you wouldn't expect. I can close a game with little boardstate and just go off from seemingly out of nowhere and steal wins. I've found ways to do this in every color and while black is the easiest to do this white is the second best imo for spontaneous wins from combo. If you aren't looking at combo there are a lot of big spells that will win the game very quickly too. Some of my favorites are Parhelion II, was using it even before Greesefang was printed; Elspeth, Suns Champion, if left unanswered can close a game by herself and can even be a boardwipe if needed; Linvala, Keeper of Silence, while not able to end the game I have had it stop others so long they never recover; Sephara, Sky's Blade, has good synergies with flying creatures and is good at attacking opponents down quickly, and the nitpicking nerds go to for their win of board playstyle True Conviction, doesn't require a big board to close the game quickly but if you do have that big board can win the game instantly. There are a lot of good themes, synergies, and advantages that white gets over other colors. While not the best at card draw or ramp there are many other strong aspects to what white can do, you just have to be a bit more creative to find them. Also trade off playing the best possible cards in the format to make the deck more unique and versatile. Hopefully they can make the colors more balanced in the future rather then making x color stronger. The game as a whole is dangerously reaching a level of powercreep that is making high power games unfun. I've been making my decks midpower for the last year and it is way more fun to play and play against. But that is a discussion for a different day/video. and sorry for super long line of text. Be well.
@gekofifty4
2 жыл бұрын
It seems the consensus is that white is terrible at ramp, but in reality all non green colors suck at ramp. Blue sucks ass with ramp but it's other strengths are just so good that it makes up for it. White honestly just needs card draw and it's pretty good
@joeldykman7591
2 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that red is traditionally the worst color in commander, but the problem is that white is getting nowhere near the push red has been getting in core releases for years now. Red gets cast from exile until the end of your next turn, white gets life gain and counter synergy- really breaking the mold for white there aren't they?
@imGrisky
2 жыл бұрын
Nobody is playing overburden? You sir got me a sweet new stackspiece. I even have this in my binder but never read it!
@kylebrandon9602
2 жыл бұрын
I think “support” means your main combo is with one color and the other color could be for answers and removals
@nickintexas
2 жыл бұрын
i eagerly await for your deck techs for mono white budget. That is the main reason that my group's meta does not think about white.
@stfinalwrath
2 жыл бұрын
I've been saying for ages that white isn't a weak color. Yes I would absolutely love for white to get some straight up better card draw and ramp that isn't catching up or playing mana rocks, which are almost utterly unavailable in playable cards if you're running mono white, that would make the color much more consistent. That being said, it's not by any means the weakest color. It's not about the cards you do or don't have, it's about how you play them. I genuinely think most people just don't know how to play white correctly to really make it shine, because you really have to have your timing down and be really proficient with when you cast your spells. It's not the weakest color to run, but it can be one of the more difficult colors to run efficiently.
@V2ULTRAKill
2 жыл бұрын
Blue has VERY good ramp Its just all related to urza *every 0 drop artifact is a mox sapphire now btw*
@abuelovinagres4411
2 жыл бұрын
6:49 I disagree. There are plenty figth and bite spells in green to get rid of creatures. And green desecrates flying creatures... Green can do anything, in fact.
@douglasfoley2060
2 жыл бұрын
When I sit down at a table, (for those who know me in my play groups.) when I pull out my mono white deck. People get scared and I basically become the target. Lolz
@ecclesiaandune687
2 жыл бұрын
White is only 'weak' because a few of its strongest tools are extremely unpopular therefore barely played. It's ok for Simic value piles to brainlessly ramp and sit on 10 lands on turn 4, but not ok for White to destroy them. Stax too, is unpopular to play against and most casual tables build greedy decks with little removal then suffer through stax, so the white player stops playing that too.
@phrikaphrak40k
2 жыл бұрын
+1 for shitting on brainless simic players
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
Even with stax being hated I think that white is total fine. Destroying all lands is frowned upon because the game slows down to a snails pace and no players take game actions
@elipetrou9308
2 жыл бұрын
If you play white like it’s meant to be played and use stax, then it’s actually very strong
@calebkimball6909
2 жыл бұрын
Preach! Built a mono white commander list with Ao, the Dawn Sky at the helm. Tons of fun and is currently undefeated in my playgroup.
@Flumpor
2 жыл бұрын
I find the red vs. White debate super interesting, because I think if you compare top 10 cards of each color you get like underworld breach, jeskas Will, Dockside, Dualcaster Mage, the commander storm/clone spell etc. And those are probably on average better than the top 10 white cards, probably also better than the top 10 green cards. But after those 10 the drop-off of quality is insane (as someone who has 2 mono red and rakdos decks). Like, people rank red only on their best stuff, but white is only ranked on mid-field cards. Even a card like Managara of Carondor gets memed by people, but if you play with the card you often notice how good it can be.
@burnsboy101
2 жыл бұрын
You can also build around catch up ramp with bounce lands and lotus field type effects
@toctheyounger
2 жыл бұрын
White is totally fine, its 100% a misconception. I think people just want value from the color in ways that don't fit its general design. I've been on white Bruna for years and it competes nicely against a ton of decks, has adequate draw, control options and removal, win cons and versatile combos with redundancy for either winning the game, fetching all of my basics, permanently exiling permanents or milling the table out. Theres not much missing. Withiut being too facetious i think people find white too hard to pilot, and thats where to problem lies: you can't just shuffle up and have your deck go brrrr
@stevenrhodes8338
2 жыл бұрын
Nizzahon and nitpicking I gotta start buyin these shirts they look so awesome
@bigmacmm5
2 жыл бұрын
You watch nizz too?! Nice.
@stevenrhodes8338
2 жыл бұрын
@@bigmacmm5 I’ve been watching nizzahon for 6 years
@aydjent
2 жыл бұрын
If you're doing a Mythbusters series... Which one of yall is Jamie and which is Adam?!
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
SUCH a good question
@baval5
2 жыл бұрын
Blue is definitely not at the bottom of ramping. Yes, it cant ramp lands like Green, but it has so much artifact search that it can use to ramp. Red and Black mostly have temporary ramp.
@baval5
2 жыл бұрын
@@gigawarman12 I literally just said in this post...
@tuuru3433
2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the best life gain is in white (green has a bit, the others have very little).
@arneverdonk2695
2 жыл бұрын
I think why white is considered the worst color is if you look at a power perspective. If you look at the to 20 strongest cards in EDH you won't find any white cards there. It just doesn't have any cards that are completely busted to the level of (for example) gaea's cradle, demonic tutor or wheel of fortune
@garrettgeorge7613
2 жыл бұрын
"I think white is totally the bottom of the list but is it the worst." 224 to 228
@reaper99999
2 жыл бұрын
I've seen the argument that colorless is better than mono white on the pretense that they can play utility lands and not have to fix their mana later, but even if that were true, I have to agree with your opening statement: just because something is the "worst" of 5 options doesn't make it a "bad" option. nice deconstruction of the various arguments
@caseyspark2019
2 жыл бұрын
Dude my Adeline deck is absolutely bonkers. Mono White was originally a "Why not! Might as well challenge myself. Nah man it's super fun!
@willbill6942
2 жыл бұрын
Catch-up ramp isn't even as bad as you make it out to be. There's all sorts of lands like Karoo, Lotus Field, etc. that work so well with the 'be behind on lands plan.' Hell, Lotus field even synergizes with Brought Back!
@captainrustbeard461
2 жыл бұрын
After playing with Tameshi, catch up ramp plays really well with moonfolk creatures
@puttputt524
2 жыл бұрын
If you are ever unsure, just remember, “white is right” and you’ll never go wrong.
@Nolsie
2 жыл бұрын
white isn't the worst anymore. it is just the most expensive mono color to have at that power level 8.
@schrottinator
2 жыл бұрын
Grixis is really good at treasure based ramp. I think that shouldn't be overlooked.
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
Grixis has a few good treasure ramping cards but not a lot
@notcaboose4415
2 жыл бұрын
i think that its white not having any flashy things either, no extra turns no triple mana no double damage and no mass reanimation
@corsel6911
2 жыл бұрын
9:05 lol, nearly chopped of Jo's head.
@jessesandburg
2 жыл бұрын
Add Nitpicking Nerds to those shirts. POG
@timtauber5557
2 жыл бұрын
White is still bad, just way less bad. It still needs serious help. Red also needs help.
@RealTal.
2 жыл бұрын
"Almost every color exept green, and black" So half the colors?
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@sonsysy4195
2 жыл бұрын
I lost to a mono white duel commander where the commander is a one mana 2/2 dog
@NitpickingNerds
2 жыл бұрын
Ishamaru is a good boy!
@Sanjuro333
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I would disagree on is what you said about looting being not as good as draw. The times when I want red as a support color are specifically for times when I want to be discarding. IE: in a Kess deck or Chainer or something that wants to have cards in the graveyard. Red has some of the best discard effects like the wheels and Faithless Looting. I almost never look at discarding as a drawback as there are so many ways to abuse it and turn your "card disadvantage" into just real card advantage.
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