People are talking about Messi’s 90 goal season and everything but for me, 2015 Messi was the most complete attacking player I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. I’d take him over any player tbh. ( also it speaks volumes when that one player can even have a 90+ goal season but plays better football LATER IN HIS FLIPPING CAREER)
@Reypstraptor4269
Жыл бұрын
Well in 2015 they had neymar and suarez who were also scoring lots of goals. Yeah before that they had villa and pedro but they were mostly on the wings serving messi.
@Wladislav
Жыл бұрын
I'd argue he was maybe even better after Neymar left, because he had to do far more heavy lifting in a far worse team. He was really starting almost every attack and if he wasn't finishing it as well it usually didn't go in.
@Mrmostwanted91
Жыл бұрын
I think 2018 Messi was also great, him and Ter stegen almost carried Barcelona to another treble. Take them out and that team was average at best.
@stevetheiii477
Жыл бұрын
@@Mrmostwanted91 2019* messi i think its his best version for me, if dembele had scored that last min goal at the camp nou that would have easily been a treble season, messi had no damn help, even benzema had more help last season with madrid winning the ucl, 2019 messi gets overlooked just because he didn't get the ucl unluckily thats the only thing that seperates 2015 and 2019 otherwise 2019 messi is clear he showed he could carry the team almost single-handedly
@hazz2620
Жыл бұрын
@@stevetheiii477 2019 Messi felt like Thanos. He literally did everything by himself. Even the game they lost at anfield messi broke the ucl record for most chances created in a single game. He slipped Suarez coutinho and Alba all through 1 on 1 with Alisson and they all missed🤦🏾♂️ in 2019 Barca’s second highest goalscorer was OWN GOALS😭
@kiely4561
Жыл бұрын
For me Brazilian Ronaldo is the greatest striker of all time, I’ve never seen any player to this day with the level of skill, speed and physicality to the extent Ronaldo had it, at his very best he was probably unplayable. And that Nike ad of the Brazilian team at the airport made me fall in love with the game.
@fernandondawana9786
Жыл бұрын
We will never see anybody like Ronaldo ever
@xGibbo1
Жыл бұрын
@@fernandondawana9786 henry and mbappe the closest I’ve seen in terms of play style, build and attributes. Both fall short of the fear factor and complete package that R9 had though, truly unique and beautiful footballer to witness.
@samatarMohamed
Жыл бұрын
Nostalgia merchant. Cr7 is clear
@ultraslanmc
Жыл бұрын
@@samatarMohamed nice joke
@markxnzz9840
Жыл бұрын
Cool story, Messi is well clear tho.
@RyKe9
Жыл бұрын
Imagine scoring 91 goals and getting 22 assists in a calendar year and still having people say that your prime isn’t the best
@StringerBellz
Жыл бұрын
Insane
@ZtkW816
Жыл бұрын
+ better playmaking abilities than R9 in his prime
@LS6272
Жыл бұрын
Nostalgia blinds people
@seanbernardmcbride779
Жыл бұрын
Messi and R9 both pick up a ball in the center circle in their prime. Either one can potentially dribble all the way to the goal and score. Messi can, at a glance, work out the position and trajectory of every player between him and the goal keeper and play a ball through the entire opposition that will not only find his team mate but will also slow down for him just as it meets his run perfectly. That means he’s twice as good at hurting the opposition.
@adamismael1119
Жыл бұрын
47 goals in a season in about 10 less games with defenders been able to rugby tackle you with no xavi or iniest in the team, not to mention the pitches not been picture perfect everywhere. Context matters!
@i.escorpiius3570
Жыл бұрын
I hate how Beckham is reduced to being remembered as that fashion icon or for its moments like the Wimbledon goal or the Greece free kick. One of the most extraordinary right wingers with his precision and accuracy, freekicks like no other, a workrate seriously not lauded enough and footballing ability that deserve way way more respect. Beckham was special.
@john-gregorysierra8875
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Granted today Beckham would be labelled as a right midfielder/center midfield. He didn't play the same position as Bale did really. If I'm playing a 4-4-2, I'm picking Beckham every time, but if it is a 4-3-3, then I would be stupid not to pick Bale as he is the better forward.
@jishnuadhikari5234
Жыл бұрын
@@john-gregorysierra8875 yeah but Beckham would be playing as one of the three in midfield in today's game.
@john-gregorysierra8875
Жыл бұрын
@@jishnuadhikari5234 Bro, I literally just said that in the first sentence of my comment lol Also he played very well as a central midfielder for Real Madrid and if it wasn't for the absolute lack of a proper defensive midfielder, he probably would have done even better. Beckham had 72 goal contributions in 159 appearances playing predominantly in the center of the midfield. That's impressive.
@jishnuadhikari5234
Жыл бұрын
@@john-gregorysierra8875 I agree I wasn't trying to go against what you said.
@john-gregorysierra8875
Жыл бұрын
@@jishnuadhikari5234 Oh...kinda hard to tell on the internet these days haha I apologize.
@samiesta9996
Жыл бұрын
I think people disrespect Messi's physicality too much. Watch any of Messi's matches from when he was 18 y/o to 32 y/o. You can't arguably be the GOAT without having PnP. His combination of acceleration and upper body strength was one of the best ever. Also, none of R9's seasons touch Messi's 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, and 2019 seasons.
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think these guys are disrespecting Messi. What they are saying is that R9 at his best had a fear factor of 10/10. He was very strong, fast, insane dribbler and mad finisher. Messi isn’t strong, what he has is agility and low center of gravity that’s why he could never go down. Messi is the best but I get what they are saying.
@samiesta9996
Жыл бұрын
@@nascimentoarantes But saying Messi isn't strong is completely false. You can't have ball retension as good as Messi's or a relatively injury-free career without being strong physically.And Messi had a fear factor as high, if not higher, than R9. Are we going to forget that Mourinho and Zidane used to play Pepe in midfield and Kovacic just to stop Messi? Or how he used to get fouled a lot in his dribbling prime but has more solo goals than R9?
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
@@samiesta9996 I will reiterate that Messi is the best. Messi is a small guy with a lot of agility, he is very strong for his size. R9 is a big guy that is strong, that’s the difference. Very big difference in strength levels. Yes Messi also has a fear factor of 10/10. What I’m trying to tell you is that during the late 90’s people saw R9 in a godlike way. The guys on this panel were very young at the time except for Ferdinand. I never said R9 is better I’m simply saying I understand why the guys chose R9. I like Messi a lot but let’s acknowledge that R9 was a special player. There things he did Messi couldn’t do and vice versa. I can live with their choice knowing that we never truly saw all he could do because of injuries. But your counterpoint would be that Messi has a peak that’s almost his whole career which I agree.
@mem5860
4 ай бұрын
@@nascimentoarantesthe thing about r9 ,is he superior to Messi in assist visión ,and IQ??. Did he can make those run during all the Game or he need to rest then make those dribbling. While Messi rest can put beautifull passes , throughball. People forget that aspect of the Game , stamina and passes. So in a Game whonis more effective Messi or Ronaldo? We all agree that Ronaldo is superior to Messi in dribbling ,but the Game is not just dribbling
@ModernFootball866
Жыл бұрын
Messi in his prime is BY FAR the best player I've ever seen. Fun fact: Messi from 19-02.2012-16.02.2013 scored 100 goals and assisted 21 in 68 games. 121 g/a(!!!) in 68 games 🤯 + Messi was a way better playmaker than R9 in his prime. It shouldn't even be a question.
@RyKe9
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but people who say R9 is greater are nostalgia merchants.
@biniboy8821
Жыл бұрын
It's never a question a better goal scorer,a better assist maker,better in any part of the field
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
@@RyKe9 no one said greater. They said peak R9 vs Messi. Note that Messi has no peak as his peak is almost his entire career. R9 was a beast of a player, a one man army that destroyed defenses before injuries came. It’s a bit nostalgic but there is truth to it. Not the worst choice and I can live with that choice. But yes Messi by all measure is the best.
@ksonford4036
Жыл бұрын
@@nascimentoarantes At Messi's peak he scored 91 goals in a year. He's had the highest peak of any footballer both statistically and performance wise.
@jasonm5288
Жыл бұрын
@@nascimentoarantes there’s a difference 47 goals in 49 games as an out and out 9 and 73 goals in 60 games as a false 9 . It’s the same when people talk about Maradona nostalgia when in reality Maradona was only the Maradona everyone perceived from 1985-91. Messi has been under a microscope his ENTIRE career and has delivered his ENTIRE career 17 YEARS at the top…
@colinharris615
Жыл бұрын
Either Messi scores at will, assists at will, or dictates the entire play (usually all 3). This isn’t even a discussion #nostalgia
@im11yearsold63
Ай бұрын
messi is a medium intern compared to a R9 without injuries
@colinharris615
Ай бұрын
@@im11yearsold63 you know nothing about football. Stop talking.
@crazyspartan117
Жыл бұрын
Ronaldo's best season = 59 G and A Messi's best season = 105 G and A I honestly think people just can't fathom the amount he scored so they almost disregard and place it on his team being elite and other factors. Which can explain a slight uptick but not almost double the amount of goals. The fact is, this was the greatest individual performance by a player ever and it will never be beat.
@ZtkW816
Жыл бұрын
+ Messis amazing playmaking and dribblings abilities. People often ignore his playmaking and just looking at the g/a. Messi is more complete than R9.
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
@Alta what’s wrong with goals and assists and by your logic Messi would be beyond clear of R9 with his long passing, linkup play etc
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
@Alta also stop comparing eras, it’s a stupid argument
@crazyspartan117
Жыл бұрын
@Alta I don't think it's just about G and A, especially when you look at Messi, he was a monster in every way as well like ronaldo. I'm just saying that such a large gap is worth mentioning
@Kehley82828
Жыл бұрын
@Alta pls tell me what he was doing more than Messi? R9 job was to score goals, messi has the record with 91 goals. Messi also set the record for throughballs in the same season.
@Andre86P
Жыл бұрын
Joel just agreed with whatever Joleon might as well call this the J&J show. Bale over Beckham free kicks last minute, madness! Enjoyed this
@gary431
Жыл бұрын
91 goals in a year says he is better than anyone prime v prime.
@StringerBellz
Жыл бұрын
Simple
@Reypstraptor4269
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but i think if you put R9 in that Barca team he would get high numbers also. Not saying he would beat the record for sure but he might. That barca team for me was the greatest squad ever, they had a legend in every position.
@GERBOY90
Жыл бұрын
@@Reypstraptor4269 yeah because that Real Madrid team that Ronaldo was playing for was t great was it? 😂
@moisesviramontes9906
Жыл бұрын
Goals aren't everything. And you need to take into account his team and how different football was decades ago more physical and less protection. That's like in 5 years Haaland scoring 100+ goals a year and somebody calling him the best in history.
@moisesviramontes9906
Жыл бұрын
Messi is a great amazing player but he is not unanimously the greatest player in history. There will always be divided opinions.
@damianclark2080
Жыл бұрын
R9 🇧🇷. The Nike airport commercial is a timeless classic
@benthao587
Жыл бұрын
Also PRIME MESSI all day! He was literally unstoppable, could take the whole team if he wanted, I mean he's done that on countless occasions, even out of his prime.
@dalesheridan6393
Жыл бұрын
Bale over David Beckhamon free kicks can't be serious 😳
@SalfordRed83
Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t serious it was joleon tryin get back at ste for giving it him over the derby. I would have looked away at the end as well ste….
@bigwengz914
Жыл бұрын
Messi is better at freekicks than both. True story.
@DS-dw3pz
Жыл бұрын
@@bigwengz914no one asked
@bigwengz914
Жыл бұрын
@@DS-dw3pz did you ask to be born? Jog on
@DS-dw3pz
Жыл бұрын
@@bigwengz914 this was supposed to be just about Bale and Beckham and you suddenly mention Messi lmaoo
@alexbailey7787
Жыл бұрын
R9 did bits in a time where attackers were not protected like they gave in Messi or CR7 time... R9 for me
@etzjunior_
Жыл бұрын
Tf you mean by getting protected? Grown adults looking for stupid excuses to backup their bias. Messi is the better player
@alexbailey7787
Жыл бұрын
@Baddest_ back when R9, Ronaldinho and other top striker about 15 20 years ago weren't protected from defenders that could seriously kick at them when they had the ball... now you can't touch any attacker and the defenders are getting torn apart, it's almost no competition
@TheSaladin777
Жыл бұрын
@@etzjunior_ Messi in the 90s would have had his legs snapped for real
@prazman
Жыл бұрын
@@etzjunior_back then slide tackles from the back were legal. The game was a lot more physical
@ryane4448
Жыл бұрын
Bale free kick over Beckham is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard! Ste should have walked at that point
@alexb.703
Жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to see live both R9 (in his prime at Inter) and Messi… Ronaldo was just unreal, almost not human, I’d pick Ronnie too
@Safff26
Жыл бұрын
I can't lie, prime R9 > any prime version of any other player. Based on ability alone he's the best ever for me.
@godwinahiase6658
Жыл бұрын
I could tell you Messi at his prime could dribble past more players than Prime R9. I could tell you Prime Messi scored more goals than Prime R9. However, Could Prime R9 create chances by giving defense splitting passes like Prime Messi? Was Prime R9 a set piece specialist like Prime Messi?
@vaibhavsharma6872
Жыл бұрын
R9 scored 47 at first season in Barcelona At the age of 19 Came second in Ballondor rankings
@acruzro95
Жыл бұрын
At his first and only season at Barcelona then he had one good year at inter and got hurt the next 3 years. When he came back from injury he won the world cup in 2002 and that got him a move to real Madrid. Similar to inter Barcelona and PSG he had one good season at real Madrid and then spent the next 3 hurt either the whole year or most of the year
@fathialjack2009
Жыл бұрын
@@acruzro95 he won the the balon dor that year at 97
@providename
Жыл бұрын
This would be a bad Messi season.
@jzlnz
Жыл бұрын
Yes he Iost by one single point to Sammer - madness. The youngest to win Ballon D'or and World Player of the Year.
@markxnzz9840
Жыл бұрын
@@providename I'm a Messi fan but that's simply not true. Especially considering age. One thing everyone must accept is that R9 as a teenager was better than CR7 and Messi as teenagers.
@jzlnz
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Personally it's R9 for sheer quality of skills and technique over longevity . Those days tackle are career ending injury. However I do rate Messi highly and he have proven consistency at highest level for number of years. Its R9, Ronaldinho, Baggio, Messi and Van Basten in that particular order
@cruzrose5645
Жыл бұрын
Why do guys keep saying that r9 had better skills ? So Messi’s dribbling assist goals Greek kicks are a joke to you ? Messi has greater goals by far
@liamclarke5275
Жыл бұрын
Important to note Beckham scored 18 prem freekicks in 264 games. Ward Prowse has 16 in 324.
@ericcurtin2812
Жыл бұрын
I think goals per free kick or number of free kicks per goals would change the perspective of this stat again
@luisinho1059
Жыл бұрын
@@ericcurtin2812 JWP has a really nice technique! and Crazy underrated... my only point of thought on that stat...is football like many sports, has gotten miles softer, fouls now would not have been fouls then. Red cards now mightve been a stern talking to in the 90-2005 era... tackles were brutal then and refs often let a lot of contact go. Plus Veron scholes Ruud also jumped on freekicks, where as JWP is the sole freekick shooter....Just a thought
@N8KOW
Жыл бұрын
I’m 38 years old. So “my” era Zidane & R9. I’m glad Messi is being compared to the REAL Ronaldo. R9 is the REAL 🐐. I absolutely love Messi, but nobody matches prime R9. The best footballer I have ever seen in my lifetime. I’m glad he’s starting to get his recognition 🎉
@ollyv26
Жыл бұрын
Messi is miles clear lol
@thisuserisalive
Жыл бұрын
R9 ain't even T3 all time best brazilians lol LMFAO even Romario was better than him
@TheLuminousOne
8 ай бұрын
Watching football for 35 years, Brazilian Ronaldo of the 1990s (pre-injury) was the most powerful attacker i ever saw. He was really something else.
@dorothyantwi4965
Жыл бұрын
Generations can never be compared. R9's time was very tough..R9 is the image of football..Most football players imitated him...
@pricey6177
Жыл бұрын
Ruud is the best finisher in the box i have ever seen, if he didn't do the knee he could have been up with the greatest strikers ever. Was chatting with someone from Holland on the weekend and he said Rudd was one of the most underrated strikers ever. Was going on about how everyone goes on about Kluivert and he told me to go look at both his and Ruud's stats and they are almost identical.
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you but Kun is also an injury prone striker who is deadly as well. On face value I’ll go with Ruud but if I look into the detail then maybe Kun Aguero. Kluivert came up before Ruud and won the CL in 95 so Ruud was playing catch up. But as a pure finisher I’ll take Ruud over Kluivert.
@kiminonawa2550
Жыл бұрын
Van basten
@fernandondawana9786
Жыл бұрын
in the box, un matched instincts and a killer
@Wladislav
Жыл бұрын
@@kiminonawa2550 Facts. I think Marco van Basten would have been one of the greatest strikers of all time without the horrific career-ending injury and botched recovery.
@biniboy8821
Жыл бұрын
Well this world have never seen anyone come close to prime Messi,and his prime was around 15 years.take away nostalgia and there is no comparison.better goal output,better assist ratio,better consistency,better better and then better again
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
You’re absolutely right. What you can’t take away is that 20yr old R9 had a fear factor of 10/10. You wanna call that nostalgia? Sure but it happened before all our eyes.
@biniboy8821
Жыл бұрын
@@nascimentoarantes you're right,same with Messi,he tormented europe
@aliaunsyed9248
Жыл бұрын
As great as R9 was, the nostalgia sometimes is insane. Prime Messi is literally the greatest EVER player. Prime Messi had 113 goal contributions in one calendar year. The disrespect to Keane and Becks is also way too real. Keane won more than he lost against Viera and was the leader of a dominant decade for Man United
@CJVP99
Жыл бұрын
R9 is to this day the youngest ballon D’Or winner, and youngest fifa POTY he had more G+A than Messi and CR7 COMBINED before his knee injury at age 23 so you understand how insane that is? And he was doing all that vs the likes of Maldini, Cannavaro, Nesta, etc these legendary defenders feared R9 and have even been quoted as to stating as much. Maradona himself said R9 at peak is the greatest player he’s ever seen
@ShiNooBi1986
Жыл бұрын
Prime R9 was 20....
@rockman8162
Жыл бұрын
You should know you are comparing a player who took 11 years in the same club from amateur to professional the whole team was built around him only then he was able to score that other. While the other was completely new to this team still came 2nd in ballon d'or that season which was robbed of course otherwise he would be a 20 yrs old winner.
@Kehley82828
Жыл бұрын
Messi set the record for most goals in the year (91) while also setting the record for most throughballs (73). He’s a much better dribbler, passer, playmaker and goalscorer but you’re comparing him to r9? The disrespect is crazy 😭
@aranyaism
Жыл бұрын
much better dribbler and goalscorer ? HAHAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH r9 before his injuries was a dribbling GOD who regularly dribbled past the whole team.
@Kehley82828
Жыл бұрын
@@aranyaism why are you questioning goalscorer? Messi has 800 career goals with 91 in a year at his prime. R9 is never cutting through Madrid in UCL semi final like Messi, he’s never scoring that 2015 cdr final goal forget encara Messi. He isn’t close to Messi in terms of dribbling. Messi holds the record for most dribbles completed all time 3100+ and counting, at the age of 35 he’s still leading Europe in dribbles.
@Kehley82828
Жыл бұрын
@@aranyaism also pique has more UCL goals than R9, he’s never even won one. So overrated it’s crazy
@stevetheiii477
Жыл бұрын
@@Kehley82828 people disrespect messi's skill like the guy doesn't have arguably the greatest attacking arsenal in history, r9 was ana mazing dribbler but people would be lying if they told me he could slice through 5 defenders on run from box to box like messi has done multiple times throughout his career, not taking away anything from r9 but i didn't have to be there to see him, u can see most of his footage on youtube and his career highlights are not on messis level even before his injury messi still scores more beatiful goals for me and messi isn't even a highlights player, if you watch most of his full games when he was in his prime the guy was by far the most effective player on the pitch in the modern era and its not even close
@RM-gr1mc
Жыл бұрын
The debate will never end. And this is good for football. Whos the best ever? Everyone will have a different player, top 5 etc. But R9 for me is just a different level than everyone else. And I got the "backing" of three of the best defenders ever: Maldini, Cannavaro and Nesta. Imagine all the legends and genius footballers these three faced. And they all say one name when it comes to the best they ever faced: R9. I must add though, Maldini did mention R9 AND maradona. The other two simply said R9.
@DirtyJamesUK
Жыл бұрын
And Desailly and the French defenders. Called him a magician 🎩.
@dawarrior9710
Жыл бұрын
R9 anyday pure 🔥 🔥
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
Messi is way better how is this a debate
@kiely4561
Жыл бұрын
@@LoyalFan9383 bro stop copy and pasting the same damn thing under every comment 😅, Jesus some of these Messi fan girls crack me up 😂
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
@@kiely4561 bro stop copy and pasting the same comment, jeez these R9 fan girls have nothing to say 😂😂😂😂
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
@@kiely4561 you R9 d riders are way too funny you make me almost die from laughter 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@kiely4561
Жыл бұрын
@@LoyalFan9383 point out to me where I’m copy and pasting?, man got caught acting like a little woman and now he’s on the defensive 🤣
@amrithbharadwaj4945
Жыл бұрын
Even if you took R9's single best season from a goalscoring standpoint, Messi's average goalscoring record for a 10 year stretch between 09-10 to 18-19 is still better. And by the way, if you were to say, R9 played in a different era and goal scoring has changed, I took that into account. I did the math, comparing R9's record in comparison to the average goals per game in the league that he played in that particular season (his single best season in 96-97 at Barca when he scored 47 goals in 49 appearances) versus Messi's record over the span of 10 years (09-10 to 18-19) in comparison to the average goals per game in La Liga over that period. And Messi still takes it. People take for granted just how good Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have been over the last 10+ years. R9 was an absolute beast and probably a more well-rounded forward, but it is a falsehood that he was better in his prime than Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo
@jzlnz
Жыл бұрын
Too much variable to be consider apart from goals - type of player he play against, the rules have change, team he play against and team they play with, technology to name a few. For longevity it's Messi but for pure skills and technique it's R9. I won't put CR in that category yet - I even rate Van Basten over him.
@StringerBellz
Жыл бұрын
@@jzlnz what do you mean for pure skill and technique? Just go back and compare the technical quality of their goals side by side and you'll see Messi wipes the floor with R9. R9 only has pace and power over Messi but finishing ability,Messi has more in his locker. MESSI can literally run a game whilst scoring just as prolific as any version of R9 you care to bring up.
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone is saying R9 is better than Messi. They just recognize how insanely talented he was. His one season at Barca at a 19-20 yrs old was out of this world. You have to understand where these guys are coming from. We all like Messi a lot but we recognize R9 too. I don’t think if you took that peak R9 that you would be making a mistake. He achieved godlike status in the late 90’s. Messi is still the best but I get the choice.
@amrithbharadwaj4945
Жыл бұрын
@@jzlnz All those variables you mentioned will have applied to all the other players that played during that time too. Which is why I measured R9's goalscoring against other players of his generation that played in the same domestic league as him at that time. And I was being more than fair to R9 considering he was primarily a goalscorer and Messi is also an elite playmaker
@amrithbharadwaj4945
Жыл бұрын
@@nascimentoarantes They literally unanimously picked peak R9 over peak Messi. What do you mean no one is saying R9 was better? A lot of people do this thing where they give it to Messi because of longevity but "R9's prime was better" and I am pointing out that that is simply not true. I always say R9 was the best 19-22 year old player ever. And he never actually got to reach his prime. Now if you say he would have reached a level Messi never did if he actually did reach his prime without the injuries, that wouldn't be an unreasonable assumption but if you consider him at 20 years old as being in his prime, then no, 20 year old R9 was simply not as good as 25 year old Messi
@WarzoneClipHUB
Жыл бұрын
Messi got 91 goals in a calendar year in his prime. This will never be replicated. He was absolutely breathtaking, we will never see the like again.
@fernandondawana9786
Жыл бұрын
Messi could have scored a thousand goals or any number you want in a calendar year, R9 is still the best
@abdirahmanyasin3099
Жыл бұрын
@@fernandondawana9786nostalgia merchant
@Wladislav
Жыл бұрын
91 goals in a calendar year wasn't even his prime.
@WarzoneClipHUB
Жыл бұрын
@@Wladislav was his best season in terms of goals. 2015 was insane too.
@Wladislav
Жыл бұрын
@@WarzoneClipHUB Yeah, he was a much more complete player later on.
@sonnypilgrem3536
Жыл бұрын
Messi Prime! Has to be. This guy dribbles whole teams. I can’t believe this.
@rais6036
Жыл бұрын
As a CR7 fan idk how this was a question
@sasukebyak
Жыл бұрын
Search for R9 dribbles....
@rais6036
Жыл бұрын
@@sasukebyak search for messis
@stevetheiii477
Жыл бұрын
@@sasukebyakMessi still has way more solo goals probably most in history
@DirtyJamesUK
Жыл бұрын
So did R9. R9 was more direct and made them look like little boys. Messi was short and quick and made them look like stationery objects.
@lightsamael7242
Жыл бұрын
Prime Messi won 4 ballondors in a row btw and scored 91 goals in a year 💀
@Prime-R9
Жыл бұрын
Great segment guys 💥 I liked hearing everyone's reasoning behind their picks, that's what makes it special 🙂
@funkyboda
Жыл бұрын
Ronaldo all the way!! he was unstoppable when he was fit I remember watching Schmeichel making unbelievable Saves every week, Peter was the Greatest
@El-Paptron7
Жыл бұрын
91 goals when? Thought so
@markxnzz9840
Жыл бұрын
104 G+A in a season 🤫🤫🤫
@aranyaism
Жыл бұрын
@@El-Paptron7 r9 was beyond goals. The most magical and destructive force ever seen.
@RedDevilSkillz
Жыл бұрын
@@aranyaism r9 doesn’ touch Messi as a playmaker.
@Coup0705
Жыл бұрын
R9 forever. He is just so insane.
@xGibbo1
Жыл бұрын
Always the 🐐🐐
@Whatabozo9
Жыл бұрын
Injuries are the worst
@kiely4561
Жыл бұрын
Frightening in his prime, for a player to be as physical as he was and still have the speed and skill was ridiculous
@xGibbo1
Жыл бұрын
@@kiely4561 he had the best trait for every attribute of a striker. Quicker than anyone else, you couldn’t push him off the ball, the most naturally skilful and effective player. Completely two footed, good in the air and unreal positioning. If he played in today’s game with more protection and advanced sport science and recovery there would be no comparison with anyone else
@kiely4561
Жыл бұрын
@@xGibbo1 do you remember playing him on international superstar soccer pro 98?, they made him almost cartoonishly fast lol
@celeschan90
Жыл бұрын
Messi.... Away from 2, 3, 4, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. How good is he!? No one is touching Prime Messi.
@bikesnippets
Жыл бұрын
Pele beats him all day and every day and three times on Sunday.
@celeschan90
Жыл бұрын
@@bikesnippets You havent even seen Pele, relax.
@faheemawan8889
Жыл бұрын
@@bikesnippets ya but that fraud only played in santos he never showed up in europe did he, messi is unbeatable. proved everywhere in every competition. with far inferior side then that of brazil with fraud pele.
@ghostbalo
Жыл бұрын
Crazy to think messi and r9 debate lol I love r9 but that is madness. Messi is a better goalscorer, dribbler freekicktaker, vision, passing off all time. Remember prime messi was scoring 91 goals In a year and averging 60 goals after this plus a crazy amount of assists.
@jono228
Жыл бұрын
Prime Messi was unplayable and unstoppable. There’s no debate. 90 goals in a year says it all.
@Al-ji4gd
Жыл бұрын
Against La Liga bums, yes, not against Maldini, Nesta, Desailly, Cannavaro and Thuram in their primes.
@stevetheiii477
Жыл бұрын
@@Al-ji4gdlove the saltiness
@shivankawasthi5590
Жыл бұрын
@@Al-ji4gdyeah and Messi played against bums like Ramos, Vidic, Pepe, Terry, Lahm, Ferdinand, Carlos and also the same Cannavaro you mentioned whom he made look like a bum himself nutmegging and dribbling him at will
@Al-ji4gd
Жыл бұрын
@@shivankawasthi5590 Cannavaro was a couple of years from retirement when he went to Madrid, numbskull. And none of the defenders you listed are on that level. Ramos? Vidic? Pepe? Butchers, not defenders. Terry and Ferdinand? More overrated Englishmen. Compared to the likes of defenders R9 faced, most of those guys ARE bums.
@darrylbyrne4043
Жыл бұрын
Has to be Beckham just has to be
@laithbarcelona2012
Жыл бұрын
Prime R9 never reached 50 league goals in a season or 73 goals in all competitions in one season or 91 goals in one year. And on top of all of that Messi is also the greatest playmaker off all time he got the most assists in the history of the game R9 doesn’t have that side in his game. But respect R9 one of the greatest ever tho
@laithbarcelona2012
Жыл бұрын
Messi broke R9’s record for most league goals in a season in 2010 when Messi was 20. Different levels imo
@DS-dw3pz
Жыл бұрын
Yr take is a fact for sure💯... however even if Messi did not score 91 goals still for me his prime would be better...even if Messi scored just as much goals as R9 his prime for me is still better...cause Messi is beyond stats....his dribbling, technically better...can dribble the entire team multiple times...R9 I stil haven't seen him taking as much players as Messi although his dribbling was great but Messi's dribbling only Maradona you could be on par or better...not R9 tho.... however other than Messi Maradona Pele and arguablyy Cr7 and Zidane, even if other strikers or players had better stats,R9 was still better cause of his technicality and all around game
@tridonchibanda5891
Жыл бұрын
R9 was great for sure. But to say he was better than Messi is absolutely insane
@chriswealth5471
Жыл бұрын
What 🤯 Gareth Bale over David Beckham on free kicks. I can't believe this guys
@xGibbo1
Жыл бұрын
Joleon speaks a lot of sense and plays a good devil’s advocate. Also mellows Joel and ste out a little . Hope to see him on more. Also the king R9 is the best to ever do it in his prime 🐐
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
Messi is way better
@xGibbo1
Жыл бұрын
@@pranjalsingh5098 I think Messi 19-24 was just a completely different player. Much more direct, more of a classic winger. As his physical attributes declined he turned himself into the best playmaker in the world whilst still possessing the superior balance and technique to move away from players. The best career in history no doubt, me personally I just feel R9’s peak was so out of this world. Anyone that got to watch him in that period will most likely say the same. The fear he put into even some of the best defenders in history I’ve not seen replicated on the same level. Both geniuses and there’s not a wrong answer. It just shows how truly magnificent and unique R9 was to even be considered in these debates considering his horrific injuries literally missing 3 years of his career at his peak and to then and comeback and win the World Cup and golden boot and get a standing ovation at old Trafford in champions league.
@hazz2620
Жыл бұрын
@@xGibbo1 I’m a massive R9 fan but Messi is just simply the 🐐 at their primes messi was better at every main attacking attribute. Dribbling Messi. Passing/link up play Messi. Goalscoring messi. Only reason this is a convo is Nostalgia
@loneranger699
Жыл бұрын
Messi have a better 5,6 seasons than Prime R9's seasons lol The the so called greatest era of defenders was the 90's SerieA & Ronaldo Nazario only had one great season(1997/98) in that league but It's funny how in his unstoppable season the great Prime R9 was beaten by Oliver Bierhoff in the golden boot
@victoriap1561
Жыл бұрын
ohh they never mention that.
@devoringdemonsoulq9086
8 ай бұрын
😂😂 and Ronaldo was still the best
@liamclarke5275
Жыл бұрын
Keane was smaller & physically superior to Viera. Non contest. Keane better captain, better passer, better defensively & mentally stronger.
@johngarynavida
Жыл бұрын
Fenomeno in his prime was unplayable. Totally different style of play from Messi but he gave opposing defenses the business.
@jedsithor
Жыл бұрын
Picking Bale over Beckham for free kicks is an absolute travesty. That's Souness levels of stupidity right there.
@Dah2291
Жыл бұрын
R9 was insane but I still take Messi .
@azorahai7599
Жыл бұрын
A lot of nostalgia merchants in the comments. Prime Messi was light years ahead of any player whose ever worn a pair of football boots. 91 goals in a calendar year while being the best dribbler in the world and a world class playmaker. R9 an all time great but he’s got like 14 CL goals ever…Messi got 13 in 11/12 alone
@aranyaism
Жыл бұрын
r9 was the best dribbler and goalscorer in the world by a mile when he played. Messi plays is a much much easier league than R9 did. Serie A in the 80's and 90's was by far the best league in the world with all the best players in the world playing there including Zidane, van basten, maradona, Maldini, baresi, baggio, platini, nesta, gullit, del Piero etc etc. R9 faced much better defenders in his era with less protection. Which is why people like Harland, Mbappé, lewadowski regularly scorer 50 goals in a season in this era. None of them can lace r9's boots.
@Huest
Жыл бұрын
Joe’s presenting skills are increasingly getting better and you can see from his rise in confidence level. Maybe it’s the Arsenal effect😂
@guitarreilly
Жыл бұрын
This R9 retrospective analysis is ridiculous. Messi is so clear of him it's a joke. Messi can run a game on his own he's the greatest playmaker of all time and let's not get into his goal and assist stats because that ends the debate already. Also to the naked eye Messi is so much better than R9 just of what he does with a football. I can't think of any attribute R9 has that is better than messi. Maybe strength and raw pace but that's it
@flexermc4333
Жыл бұрын
R9 weak foot was impeccable. He could score with both feet easily
@stevetheiii477
Жыл бұрын
@@flexermc4333 and yet messi who is heavily reliant on his left foot still managed to score 800 career goals, people might put messis weak foot as a reason for him to have a disadvantge but all that shows is that messi with his left alone could match the greatest goalscorers of all time who could score with their heads and both their legs and their height
@etzjunior_
Жыл бұрын
Imagine saying you’d rather play prime Messi? 🥶
@Moosterton
Жыл бұрын
The idea that Henry didn't turn up for France is such a myth - the French media worked overdrive to put him down. He was crucial in Euro 2000, contender for player of the tournament - ripped those goat Italian defenders to shreds in the final too. Was very good in 06, France's best player in that final too - tho obviously Zidane stole the show in the tournie overall. He won French player of the year a record 5 times. He was France's most important player after Zizou, but people treat him like he failed somehow.
@xsirdavidianx
Жыл бұрын
I stopped watching when Bale was picked over Beckham for free kicks. I mean, they picked BALE! I can't even...
@hackle511
Жыл бұрын
Bale over Beckham in a must score free kick? That has to be a joke
@ChiChi-tn2kc
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Not even close!
@haiderimran9561
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant content guys, except for the bale over beckham call which was uncalled for! :D
@Loki-jm9qi
Жыл бұрын
I'll be honest prime time player it's got to be messi🤷♂️ he lived the way more than the hype!!! His prime is different each and everytime he played!!!
@Egjesus24
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think you have seen enough of r9. But messi the goat.
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
@@Egjesus24 stupid logic
@Egjesus24
Жыл бұрын
@@LoyalFan9383 ?
@Loki-jm9qi
Жыл бұрын
@Alta yeah but tell me which is messi's prime... when he was young he made mistakes but still scored 40 plus goals and won a lot.. and also his games and movement were magic when he's old he doesn't have energy to run but still manages to win games by contributing something crucial even now he is rivaling someone like Mbappe who is 23 in his prime!!! R9 was strong, dribbling past people I have seen that only few matches and he's great don't get me wrong but messi managed to sustain prime form for years!!! Also R9 himself said he's seeing a younger version of himself in Mbappe just saying😆
@Loki-jm9qi
Жыл бұрын
@@Egjesus24I have seen R9 play in Madrid and Inter and few barca goals.. don't get me wrong he's like great but for me the ones messi scored were more magical for me!!! Those goals shouldn't have been possible and yet he's scored some which has stayed in my mind... if you ask me Mbappe or R9 or Cristiano or Zidane or ronaldhino I'll say r9.. but messi or r9 ....always messi for me✌ ..
@owengreaves9997
Жыл бұрын
I think Mbappe needs some more respect, considering he’s not even in his prime yet, he is currently by far the best player in the world, him now is comparable to prime henry. He might not be there yet but he’s not far off
@pierer91
Жыл бұрын
Was the level of defender really better when R9 played? The game is much faster and more athletic now.
@pimjcb9964
Жыл бұрын
Yes. The defense was better in the time of R9. And defense was even more cruel as well. R9, Van Basten and Maradona played in a time, where defensive players tried to hurt you as well. And the rules were not set in play yet, to protect players.
@StringerBellz
Жыл бұрын
@@pimjcb9964 why are you acting like R9 played in the 80s? I don't recall him being butchered at the 98,2002 or 2006 world cups.
@kiely4561
Жыл бұрын
I would say the amount of truly great players were more in abundance during Ronaldo’s era, Messi caught the end of most of their careers as a teenage coming through, the likes of Zidane, Figo, Raul, Roberto Carlos, Hendry, Bergkamp, I mean you could literally go on forever at the amount of class there was in the late 90s early 2000s
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
In a way yes and no. The game today gives more leeway to forwards than in the past. Also the modern great defenders - Ramos and Pique can’t even defend. So yes defenders today are worse. You can argue that some older defenders weren’t as athletic but they could tackle, some will break your leg as they did R9.
@pimjcb9964
Жыл бұрын
@@StringerBellz Ronaldo had his debut in Europe in 1994. He played against the defenders also Marco Van Basten played against. The better and harder defenders we don't have anymore. in 1999 he got his first major injury. Eventually that injury in later years caused his short career really. In the beginning of the 2000s he had some years he could play, but was never the same as his early years.
@senhlay
Жыл бұрын
Prime Ronaldo r9 was definitely the reason why I fell in love with football. He was the reason why I practiced step overs. But prime Messi is undeniable. He offered alot more going forward, whether it was dribbling past 5 players and scoring or putting in through balls for team mates score. Prime Messi just has too many tools going forward.
@FatTodd
Жыл бұрын
For one game I’m still choosing prime r9
@markxnzz9840
Жыл бұрын
@@FatTodd 103 G+A in one season 🤫🤫🤫
@FatTodd
Жыл бұрын
@@markxnzz9840 why are you shushing me you clown? It’s a reasonable opinion held by many who have watched both. I’m not taking anything away from Messi you dickrider. Prime R9 would have had 109 goals in that Barca side against the defenders of that era.
@markxnzz9840
Жыл бұрын
@@FatTodd Lmao no he wouldn't. People always argue about ifs and buts, for Messi we don't have to do that. We've seen it. 0 UCLs 🤫🤫🤫
@fr3stylr322
Жыл бұрын
@@markxnzz9840 tell me you are a teenager or younger without telling me you are a teenager or younger:
There’s always a sentimental & nostalgic tax when you mention R9. Messi is simply just football…
@Yuri_Elias
Жыл бұрын
Recency bias has you blinded kid
@Yuri_Elias
Жыл бұрын
He's nowhere near R9 he's behind CR7 and many others
@stevetheiii477
Жыл бұрын
@@Yuri_Elias 😂😂 did u say hes behind cr7 and many others, nah that's hilarious can't take u seriously, call me when cr7 makes a wc final let alone win one
@LucasGenari
4 ай бұрын
I'm Brazilian, but prime vs prime... it has to be Messi. R9 is my favorite of all time no matter what, but prime Messi did more
@cookerdegree4938
Жыл бұрын
Ruud would be like Haaland in a City team
@hackle511
Жыл бұрын
Better. He's the best finisher in the box in his time
@roryelliott8689
Жыл бұрын
Prime Messi all day long 😂 R9 was so dangerous maybe more effective than Messi in attack but Messi can still pick out a 40 yard pass, intricate one touch passing in and around the edge of the box and killer freekicks which R9 couldn't produce not alot in it though
@fuego3133
Жыл бұрын
How these men chose Bale over Beckham I'll never understand 🤣
@phuston087
Жыл бұрын
I can't understand how anyone is picking Viera over Keane. I watched every game they played against each other & 90% of the time, Keane was better not to mention the number 1 driving force beind multiple title wins.
@tomisolonen8526
Жыл бұрын
Bale over Beckham… How to make me considering unsubbin 😂.Not gonna do it though. Nice talk
@viren112358
Жыл бұрын
Becks vs bale shld be part of the piss take section
@richardyoung6274
Жыл бұрын
Prime R9 for me best striker I've ever seen in my day
@n7xyy
Жыл бұрын
Bale over Becks on free kicks 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 come on now
@n10rai36
Жыл бұрын
It's just about generational thing...an emotional attachment.......i saw a teenager recently rating prime Hazard over Messi 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
Lol… that makes no sense. Messi has always been far ahead of Hazard- before we knew Hazard, when we knew Hazard and after Hazard became a flop. What metric would they even use to justify the choice?
@atatweebwakingdavid8109
Жыл бұрын
What's Messi's prime years?? Messi to me seems to have been in his prime since day 1 to this day
@maqboolkhatieb6988
Жыл бұрын
"Prime Henry vs Prime Van Nistelrooy" that's a better comparison and always a good debate.
@Whatabozo9
Жыл бұрын
Henry would easily win it and I love RVN
@kiely4561
Жыл бұрын
I’d probably go with Henry, Ruud was incredible though
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
Ruud was a ruthless finisher. Henry was a ball playing forward. Question is whether you want a pure number 9 or you need a forward who would carry the team.
@CuriosityGuy
Жыл бұрын
Prime Messi>Prime R9 (Ronaldo) [Trust me R9 was scary, Absolute World Class], Roy Keane>Viera, This is tough: For now I'd say Prime Henry> Prime Mbappe (slightly emotional), I'm going Prime Rooney> Prime Owen, Tough again - Kompany>van Dijk for now, van Nistelrooy>Aguero (slightly emotional), van der Saar>Schmeichel, de Bruyne>Yaya Toure, Free Kick: Beckham>Bale
@ZtkW816
Жыл бұрын
Messi in his prime is better than R9. People completely ignore that Messi was an elite dribbler, an elite goalscorer and an elite playmaker (what R9 never was).
Messi stats in 11/12: Appearances: 60 Goals: 73 Assists: 30 Levels to this.
@kesenaememere8520
Жыл бұрын
@@markxnzz9840 in a weaker league lol, there was more physical in back then Ronald's era, there levels to this.
@pauliyonas3576
Жыл бұрын
@@kesenaememere8520 lol la Liga is better in 2010s than in 1990s
@KLM1883
Жыл бұрын
I think we all know 'that' season Yaya had... Unbelievable! Bale over Beckham on free-kick??
@arbeck007
Жыл бұрын
Mental picking Bale over Beckham
@zeo4481
Жыл бұрын
113 G+A in a year and we pretend it's a question? Messi!
@blunkenstnnz5012
Жыл бұрын
hahah yeah Messi had a lot of protection in those early clasico matches 2004-2008, he was getting killed every game lol. The game changed and Messi adapted, but he was also great in the previous era.
@victoriap1561
Жыл бұрын
i remember zidane kicking messi and messi almost making roberto carlos fall on his ass, i now they were older, but the way people talk about the 90s players as if they were superhuman is nostalgia 100%
@Wladislav
Жыл бұрын
- I love prime R9, but prime Messi is just better. As a pure striker R9 pips him, but Messi has him everywhere else. Nostalgia is for the weak. (P.S. Anyone who thinks "91 goals in a year" Messi was his prime doesn't know football.) - Prime Viera - Prime Henry (Mbappe is not in his prime yet, I assume.) - Prime Rooney - Virgil van Dijk in his peak season so far peaked higher than Kompany has in his career. But Kompany does have some great performances with Belgium to back him up. - Prime Ruud van Nistelrooij vs Sergio Agüero is actually a tough one. Career wise it's Agüero, but prime only? - Prime van der Sar and prime Peter Schmeichel are basically a tie. - Prime Yaya due to that one season. - Prime Beckham takes the FK.
@ThillyThauthageth
Жыл бұрын
Whoever says Prime R9 is better than Messi doesn't understand football sorry it isn't subjective. 2012 Messi has 91 goals and 32 assists in 69 games. Ronaldo has never even come close to this. Messi was a better goal scorer in and outside the box, better dribbler and could single handedly run a game by creating chances too. Ronaldo wasn't much of an assist machine as good as he was sorry but no comparison
@ADAMdinho1
Жыл бұрын
If I was on my death bed & a free kick was to save my life I'm going David Beckham... ridiculous not picking Beckham that man would score under any pressure a free kick. Dun no ya no.
@yoooo9363
Жыл бұрын
Prime Rashford easily
@Iaintsayinnothin..
Жыл бұрын
Prime Macheda (i.e 1 game)
@thedragontactic
4 ай бұрын
I think people ignored R9's greatest aspect is that he is able to be the focal point of all the teams he plays in. A 21 year old Brazilian football player, who does not train, carried the whole Barcelona team in just his first year with the team? A 23 year old Brazilian football player, who does not train, becomes Inter Milan Captain after his first year with the team? Ill Fenomeno is not touchable in just a 5-6 year span.
@RonanThomas
Жыл бұрын
Rudd was a BEAST! He’d have begged goals for City absolute records!
@nascimentoarantes
Жыл бұрын
Ruud was more goal hungry than Aguero. However Aguero was an insane finisher. He scored different types of goals. On face value Ruud but if I think about it more then Aguero.
@DarthSmokealot
Жыл бұрын
Get Rio to ask Bale and Becks to stop by for a free kick face off , I bet even now Becks out scores bale in his shiny armani shoes...
@zero-il9on
Жыл бұрын
R9 had to struggle from 2 awful injuries, he was able to recover and come back, he played on pretty good things but one thing people tend to forget, Messi is amazing but he played on one of the best teams ever, if not the best, he had prime Iniesta and prime Xavi next to him. R9 also had amazing players but they did not play as good as that Barcelona team, the galacticos were good but not very much as a team. On the other hand, back then, football had, my point of view, way better defenders, Maldini, Nesta, Cafu, Stam and players were allowed to use more "tricks". Have you ever seen someone tackling Messi the way they tackle R9? They "respect" Messi too much, my opinion, not saying to kick him or anything but they should use a bit more of strenght against him. The way Liverpool did.
@RyKe9
Жыл бұрын
@Alta Don’t underestimate Messi’s physicality. The dude is tough and scrappy.
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
@Alta how did he play against ‘better defenders’
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
That ‘played against better defenders’ is the most stupid logic I’ve ever heard
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
Messi has been fouled too many times and if anything you should give credit to Messi for not having a horrifying injury (he was injured for the whole season in 13/14 btw)
@biniboy8821
Жыл бұрын
Well Messi played the best defenses across Europe and dominated
@richardting626
Жыл бұрын
Seriously Bale over Beckham for free kicks? Omg. Gotta to be kidding. Prime R9 over Prime Messi anytime of the day man.
@onetwo8847
Жыл бұрын
We never got to see "prime R9" he had major injuries before ever hitting his peak. He COULD'VE been better than Messi, sure. But prime Messi > the R9 we actually got to see and its not close. Prime Messi had 103 G/A in a single season... That might never happen again
@yomo1690
Жыл бұрын
They are right though R9 was kicked up and down the pitch and still excelled
@onetwo8847
Жыл бұрын
@@yomo1690 This honestly doesn't mean much. Every player was kicked up and down the pitch more so back then than they are now on average. This doesn't make all other old players better tho does it? We're not saying Kevin Keagan was better than Messi because he got kicked more are we...? You can only compare vs the generation you play in. Also, for his own generation Messi took a lot more damage than 99% of other players. If you want proof of that, go find a compliation of him JUST vs sergio ramos and look at the amount of times Ramos absolutely clamped him, and Messi is known for basically never diving
@StringerBellz
Жыл бұрын
@@yomo1690 kicked all over the pitch when exactly? People acting like he played in 80s. 98,2002,2006 world cups, which defenders where butchering players?
@yomo1690
Жыл бұрын
@@StringerBellz are you seriously trying tell me that the players didn't get away with more even back then? How old are you? If you're under 25 I give you a pass
@WingyMedia
Жыл бұрын
Bale over Beckham for free kicks?! Behave.
@dj_mr_t4754
Жыл бұрын
I rate R9 but prime messi is better. Messi is an absolute monster. I feel people pick R9 because he was a striker no one have seen play the way he has. Understandable. Messi won games single handlely on his own.
@Egjesus24
Жыл бұрын
Prime r9 is a combination of messi and cr7. He was slightly better than prime messi. But to each their own
@shahzadirani
Жыл бұрын
R9 won games single handedly for Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter Milan, and AC Milan and against defenders like Maldini and Nesta and Desailly at their peak. The only two games I remember Messi taking by the scruff of the neck and winning were the 2011 Madrid semi final and 2015 Bayern semi final. That’s it.
@aviralsrivastava7324
Жыл бұрын
@@Egjesus24 no way
@aviralsrivastava7324
Жыл бұрын
@@shahzadirani for ac Milan he did nothing and Messi has won tons of match on his own and injuries are part of the game
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
@@Egjesus24 😂😂😂😂
@godwinahiase6658
Жыл бұрын
People talk as if Messi was not being kicked constantly. A prime Messi will dribble you out of your socks, split your defense with a crazy pass to create for his teammates to score against you and bang in a free kick to nail your casket. You guys are lost in the nostalgia of the beauty and explosiveness of his play but he does not offer more than a prime Messi will offer his team. Messi keeps it simple but EXTREMELY MORE EFFECTIVE/PRODUCTIVE.
@TheCulesx
Жыл бұрын
R9 cannot do everything Messi does what is this guy on about
@iniester6724
Жыл бұрын
Nostalgia merchants.
@DeusNyika
Жыл бұрын
You gents lost the plot with having Bale over Beckham on free kicks lol
@richygunter
Жыл бұрын
R9 is a combination of peak Messi & CR7 with Mbappe's pace
@LoyalFan9383
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@fernandondawana9786
Жыл бұрын
Skill greater than Messi, physique better than cr7 and and strength and speed way better than mbappe
@JB-Thatisme
Жыл бұрын
Spot on 💯
@vkjfv
Жыл бұрын
and a tinge of prime Hazard
@biniboy8821
Жыл бұрын
R9 was never at peak Messi level,your hanging on to nostalgia
@sunnytoor1902
Жыл бұрын
Roy Keane is the greatest captain and leader in the history of football besides P Maldini.
@pimjcb9964
Жыл бұрын
Sorry you all. I pick prime Marco Van Basten over Ronaldo. If Van Basten never had to retire because of injury, Messi and Cr7 both would have been compared to Marco Van Basten. Already had 3 Ballon D'or before age 28. He was on his way to break all goal scoring records. He won all the big championships. He was the ultimate number 9.
@fresh.prince7472
Жыл бұрын
I can't argue in a way van basten was amazing
@telmolicious
Жыл бұрын
No he wasn’t. He was far below Messi’s goal AND assists record but he also played in a very tough defensive era and Italian league. But he ain’t no R9 or Messi on the ball
@gold6813
Жыл бұрын
If you are talking about R9 era, 90s to early 2000s l. Then R9. He was too strong for many defenders. Even if he was robbed of his prime after the injury at 19 years old iirc. Messi would get injured a hell of a lot more and maybe be robbed of his peak physical abilities like van basten and Maradona had to. But in the current era. It would be Messi. When the rules changed to suit the play makers. Hatchet fouls were lessened. With or without the ball. Messi would be dangerous everywhere.
@edwardmccarthy5033
Жыл бұрын
Messi had 3 ballon dors at 23 mate
@telmolicious
Жыл бұрын
@@edwardmccarthy5033 No he didn’t 😂
@JerrySeinfeldJFA
Жыл бұрын
This is funny, almost disrespectful. Messi scores 91 goals in a Calendar year, not counting assists, playmaking, etc. R9 was never even close to that amount of goals (and he was a striker!!)
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