(Sorry for bad quality) I recorded this clip to show how ridiculous this game can be at times. I'm a tank Udyr with Jak'Sho and we are fighting a team with 2 tanks, so essentially, there were only two damage carries (one of them was Morgana, basically irrelevant), so to sum it up: As a tank with 2900 HP and 230 in both resistance types, I got oneshot in a teamfight soley by a Tristana ADC. I'm deeply convinced that the math in this game is broken, and champions just deal way more damage than they supposed to in some instances. Considering all the bugs that've been around lately, I dont doubt that this is the case. Imagine a 13 year old game not being esports ready...
@ViktorLoR_Mainu
9 ай бұрын
If you could get some pics of the actual stats on Trist and yourself, it would be helpful. Also, I agree, damage calculation seems a bit off (at least i sure fkn hope it is). ~2 months ago, I saw a full build Aatrox with serylda's and 12 conq stacks deal below 60 damage with Q3 crit against an Udyr. I ran the math to the best of my abilities and apparently is should have dealt 5x as much, so it might be related to the champion itself. That Udyr also had Jak'Sho.
@penguinmonk7661
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for being a voice of reason. I stopped playing tanks almost entirely because of this, you just aren't a tank anymore, I am nearly convinced LDR does more damage than it says it does.
@kelardo8667
9 ай бұрын
"moar demeg = gooder" - riot
@darkharvest32
9 ай бұрын
Well, to start, your champion is not a tank, it's a juggernaut. Juggernauts tend to struggle against adcs as mentioned in the league wiki website: "Fighters tend to have an advantage against assassins, whose burst tends to fall short of killing them when unaided, as well as tanks, whose inferior damage allows fighters to eventually defeat them in duels, but often struggle against mages and marksmen, whose superior reach allows them to kite approaching fighters. Sub-classes of the Fighters are juggernauts, and divers." Not only that, but one thing you can notice if you verse a lot of juggernauts is that they tend to fall off really bad in the late game, aside from some exeptions like nasus and yorick, since they are very easy to kite (like in this exemple showed in the video, you couldn't reach tristana even if you wanted to because she had W and R up) and the fact that their build often times only involves building one or two armor items, which results in scenarios like this one where the tristana (adc) which probably has ldr and is a champion that naturally scales more than you can basicaly kill you with around 6 to 7 autos with her bomb (no, she did not one shot you, you also got hit by a morgana R and cho'gath E + heartsteel). Reference from league wiki: leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Champion_classes/Fighter#Juggernauts
@shadam_free
9 ай бұрын
And this is what I call bs. My champions class has nothing to do with this scenario. Udyr is very much a tank, especially with the right build (it doesnt get more thank than Jak'Sho), because its very much about items. Juggernauts are Juggernauts because their kit eventually scales better with items that combine damage and HP, but if a Darius were to build Jak'sho, Randuins and other tank items, he would very much be a tank, just not an as accessive one, unlike Udyr, who is very exceptional with target access, or eating tons of damage with the W-awaken. Now the fact that you didnt even point out that I didnt have Awakening up in the fight, shows how shallow your analytic skills and game knowledge really are. So besides not having my Awakening up, I pretty much did everything right in this scenario with the right build, but ended up going from 100 to 0 in 2.5 seconds (oneshotting doesnt necessarily mean getting killed by one shot/ability, it also refers to getting popped in mere seconds). It was really hard to see in the replay, but that huge chunk of damage was done entirely by Tristana Bomb, around 1k damage (as far as I know the bomb doesnt have any sort of max-hp damage scaling). Quick math lesson: I had 234 armor on the time of death, taking LDR's 30% penetration leaves me with 164 armor which is about 65% damage mitigation. As far as I know, Tristana doesnt have any sort of armor penetration abilities, so for me to take almost 1000 damge from a single physical-damage ability means that the ability itself would have had to deal around 1600 unmitigated physical damage, and you are trying to justify that :D
@daruthebeast
9 ай бұрын
@@shadam_free unfortunately dmg is absurd, they did whole patches to fix that, but they restarted increasing damage again...
@Yese7
9 ай бұрын
TLDR: get good. Take into account that you're 2 levels down on the trist, the only way an adc can even get this far ahead in the first place is because of a heavy snowball. You either lost the early game so hard that she'd already outscaled you before level 11 or your botlane lost lane so hard that she had a 2-3k gold lead before 15 mins. Either way, everything seems totally normal in this clip in terms of damage and levels, there's no bugs happening, it's just what happens with late game trist through passive, Q and bomb damage. No awakening, no tracking/man marking the morgana or even trying to stop her flashing in, you and sion both wasting all your abilities to do nothing to rammus. You're playing udyr completely wrong if that's how you look in teamfights, shouldn't ever be behind the adc at any point in the game, so you must have done a lot wrong earlier in that game to be so far behind in the first place. @@shadam_free
@darkharvest32
9 ай бұрын
@@shadam_freejust tested some things in a custom game, i think the reason she did that much damage was because she had baron (which gives both ad and ap, and her bomb has an ap ratio) and the fact that she has red buff. Red is burning you for 23 true damege per attack. Additionally, i do think that you being a juggernaut and being behind does contribute to what she just did to you. I'm also assuming you didn't have randuin's or some heavy armor based item lime frozen heart, because she literally melted you. Besides, i agree with the guy who mentioned below that the main problem this game was that your team was already behind at this stage, despite the fact that tristana outscales you in a vacum. And no, you are not a tank just because you build tank. Tanks are made to absorb damage and cause disruption, your champion is made to deal damage and absorb damage, which is why it's not made to hold a 4 item late game baron + red buff tristana melting you at this stage (aside from the other champions). I can build sion full lethality and he still won't be an assassin. As for my knoledge about the game, i'm pretty sure i know what i'm talking about when it comes to league, since i've been trying to go pro for the last 3 years and been playing since 2015. You should check my opgg just to make sure 😉. www.op.gg/summoners/br/DarkHarvest1-BR1 I know it can be frustrating to die like this, i do agree with you that ldr needs a nerf, adcs are very strong right now and if i'm not mistaken it will be nerfed next season.
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