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@greedisbad9890
Жыл бұрын
3:12 You should change the title to "according to cinematic" then
@lemur2839
Жыл бұрын
Would lie may is a war criminal. Her gun brake so many laws, she can control climate if she wants too
@hellmen4882
Жыл бұрын
hanzo should be strong af
@shaharkit9472
Жыл бұрын
to be fair, we don't really have any idea how strong Sigma is in-lore, EVEN with his mental disorders. all we know is that he's a part of Talon, we've never seen them using him. if they can somehow mind control him and manipulate him to use his power to even a fraction of its full potential, he topples all the other characters in a landslide
@georgekenealy2322
Жыл бұрын
He controls black holes
@VYNYL_Music
Жыл бұрын
@BunsGlazing nah, he controls that melody👍
@stefanllamaface2130
Жыл бұрын
There is also that voice line with Solider that says he’s strong enough to leave Talon.
@bradford9086
Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@ryanmahardika9862
Жыл бұрын
@@VYNYL_Music Their Cassidy is singing to me!
@ElixoYT
Жыл бұрын
Wrong about Reaper. If you look at the Infiltration cinematic, when Sombra says "mission failed target escaped" the camera focuses on Reaper saying "get back to the ship" and every single one of those new revolutionary Volskaya human piloted mechs is on fire as he walks away. This means he was able to destroy those mechs solo with just his shotguns and super soldier abilities. His ability to destroy those new mechs solo is the reason he was one of the original Overwatch members as a super soldier that can take down big bots. Here's the time stamp to pause on to see for yourself: kzitem.info/news/bejne/sJ1rk4SjbXp_n34 So I say Reaper should be on Strong AF
@dr.bandito60
Жыл бұрын
I think Reaper is the ultimate strong in a 1v1 AND he’s the best at making every fight a 1v1. He stealth kills the whole squad.
@helio3728
Жыл бұрын
Is also stated to be immortal too?
@GamerLxgic
Жыл бұрын
@Shawn reaper is just soldier with superpowers, they both got versions of super serum, but now reaper has immortality, and can as far as we know, turn into a gas indefinitely and just not get hit
@GamerLxgic
Жыл бұрын
@Shawn We are talking lore, in lore he can fly with the gas and there are no cooldowns
@blazypoo1723
Жыл бұрын
@Shawn This is about lore, not gameplay. While I do think Soldier would beat Reaper in a 1v1 in lore, it's not because "Oh well he has range and a sprint button!" Soldier is smarter and more levelheaded than Gabriel, while Gabe is more prone to anger and letting emotions get the better of him. This especially is a big weakness considering these two used to be almost like brothers to each other. Soldier would 100% exploit this and make him fall right into his trap.
@ordinarylittlebastard3248
Жыл бұрын
Reaper: *Literally destroys all the mechs in Volskaya Industries with just his shotguns* Zenyatta: *Has reached the pinacle of the way of the iris and completed Genji's training after Kiriko's mother, Genji says that he couldn't even touch Zenyatta while training against him*
@isaiahcasas462
Жыл бұрын
Yee the boio is biased as fuck
@Yagon-ue7xm
Жыл бұрын
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
@s0lacee
Жыл бұрын
nobody is talking about zen being busted lol this list is garbage
@Shrimpstan
Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget where he put Hammond and sigma,even though sigmas the strongest
@s0lacee
Жыл бұрын
@@Shrimpstan sigma would be the strongest if he wasn’t bonkers
@Thelastpraetor
Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna make one argument for Reaper, he almost beat Winston, and trashed the defense mechs in Volskya
@snc237
Жыл бұрын
Almost beat. Winston also had to deal with minions prior to the fight
@devinnix9071
Жыл бұрын
if hes raid boss tier then he shouldnt have abn problem with minions
@chair7196
Жыл бұрын
Reaper lost both of his fights with Winston because he got cocky, as well as everyone having plot armour
@2sec57
Жыл бұрын
@@chair7196 No reaper was about to kill winston but his little shield bomb put him off
@thelectro6198
Жыл бұрын
That Winston was rusty AMD hasnt fought in years + Winston got caught by Reaper's Minions + Reaper got off guard
@floath5209
Жыл бұрын
3:09 After "killing" Genji, Hanzo swore never to use a sword again (which is why he uses arrows).
@flamepillarx
Жыл бұрын
I like to think that if genji and hanzo switched places, Hanzo would be the definition of a raid boss lore wise and in-game
@eunyounguzun2597
Жыл бұрын
But 'Hanzo with sword' is still not stronger than 'Genji with sword', because, Hanzo with a sword still uses his human arms, whereas Genji has a cybernetic arm that deflects projectiles at inhuman speed
@davidisaisantiagoelizalde5982
Жыл бұрын
It's a lore fact that hanzo was far better than genji in sword, the cibernetic body ongly gives genji more agility but hanzo it's by far a raid boss if he uses the sword again, and above him it's kirikos mom haha both of them accepted that kirikos mom it's a monster with the sword, after all she is their teacher
@jetmirii
Жыл бұрын
@@eunyounguzun2597 uh, no. Hanzo with sword > genji with sword. Hanzo’s technique and prowess with a sword is second only to Kiriko’s mother, who would still slap Genji around. Also, Hanzo is older than when he killed Genji, and his mentality worsened and that possibly could’ve made him weaker. I’m like 50% sure young Hanzo aka Hanzo w/ sword > current hanzo who lost to cyborg Genji with bow. Also you have to take into note that Genji knew all of Hanzo’s attacks and patterns while Hanzo had no idea what Genji could do, so Genji was at an unfair advantage in the Dragons cinematic. I’d go as far to say as Hanzo with a sword/younger Hanzo would defeat current Genji without a scratch.
@DatAsianGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@jetmirii I think you guys are now overhyping Hanzo. Hanzo did win his sword battle against Genji, and he himself says that he was far better with a sword than with a bow, but realistically speaking. Hanzo wouldn't stand a chance anymore against genji in 1v1 sword fight. with all the cybernetics, his time as a blackwatch agent and finally his physical and mental training he went through with zenyatta probably makes him now the superior warrior. sure in technical skill Hanzo might still have Genji beat, but as far as we can tell for now, Hanzo wouldn't stand a chance against current Genji.
@EBM324
Жыл бұрын
To be fair to reaper he did solo that giant mech in Sombra's cinematic
@henriquealvarenga9244
Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking
@Relisoc
Жыл бұрын
He’s also canonically relative to soldier
@ElixoYT
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Someone else that noticed. Its the reason he was one of the founding members. If he can take down those giant new mechs solo at old age in pain imagine when he was just a young super soldier. kzitem.info/news/bejne/sJ1rk4SjbXp_n34
@ordinarylittlebastard3248
Жыл бұрын
It wasn't just one
@DevonnHardyS
Жыл бұрын
But still couldn't kill tracer
@MysticalWizard101
Жыл бұрын
-Reaper beats soldiers -Has fast regenerative cells -can teleport -become invulnerable -summon items out of thin air Yep definitely a push over
@SupaSoldierLegend
Жыл бұрын
And despite all that he has never beaten anyone with a name before
@dabrogiorno
Жыл бұрын
@@SupaSoldierLegend Winston
@SupaSoldierLegend
Жыл бұрын
@@dabrogiorno he lost both times they fought
@BigGuy3200
Жыл бұрын
@@SupaSoldierLegend All the giant mechs in the Sombra cinematic
@showerlizard1097
Жыл бұрын
@@SupaSoldierLegend he nearly killed Winston both times, and he would have if it weren't for his plot Armor.
@afriendofafriend5766
Жыл бұрын
I think Sigma deserves better. He can throw black holes. That would destroy literally everything.
@sangwoo9395
Жыл бұрын
S TIER.
@matthewblaikie7903
Жыл бұрын
Also don't forget he can literally manipulate gravity. After all, he has harnessed the harness
@MLH_1231
Жыл бұрын
If he wasn't such a kind person, he could honestly solo every OW hero
@Grodycell
Жыл бұрын
Including himself, so he’s actually pretty weak? People always say “hurr black holes” while not realizing he’d kill himself. Thats not strong.
@sangwoo9395
Жыл бұрын
@Pegiorno even though he would end up killing himself, that doesn't mean he's weak.
@BigL10000
Жыл бұрын
Junk escaped australia and then did several heists all over the globe. Highly underrated
@dallayg
Жыл бұрын
It tragic more people don't escape Australia
@MomsAgainstCatboys
Жыл бұрын
Just like in game I think Junkrat stregnth is similar to symmetra: may not be that strong in a 1 on 1 fight, but when lost in the chaos of the battlefield they can seriously fuck shit up.
@banana0518
Жыл бұрын
Also the amount of explosives he survived
@envor_
Жыл бұрын
Also he cant feel pain
@DJtheLoaf
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I had similar thoughts mostly when SVB was ranking Hog-- I was like "The two of them stole the freaking Crown Jewels-- that definitely means they're pretty up there on the badass scale..."
@velofoequack
Жыл бұрын
Sigma should be #1, period. Not only is he capable of understanding one of the elemental forces of the entire existence, he can actually manipulate it at will. Even more, his exposition to the singularity INSIDE a Black Hole seems to have conferred not only the power to control gravity, but some knowledge about divinity. I think he could even be a candidate to attain it later.
@morocuda2090
Жыл бұрын
1. Sigma 2. Doomfist (Stated he came back stronger after the fight with Winston)
@matthewblaikie7903
Жыл бұрын
He has harnessed the harness
@angelogenua2682
Жыл бұрын
And also some mf say that he will kill himself if he does create a black hole... Have you ever seen sigma get damaged by kinetic grasp 🗿
@MusicalBlam
Жыл бұрын
@@morocuda2090 #3 is definitely zenyatta
@Invisibleboy999
Жыл бұрын
So shouldnt zarya be as strong her ultimate is literally creating a mini black hole
@mc_3232
Жыл бұрын
In a 1v1 zen was able to spar with both genji and rammatra granted this was before ram built his raid boss arms but i'd recon even without those he'd still beat everyone who isnt a raid boss. so in an actual fight zen is definately higher than what u have him
@Marrow040
Жыл бұрын
Plus I’d think his transcendence counts for something
@MLH_1231
Жыл бұрын
@@Marrow040 exactly, he legit just ascends into Nirvana during his ult
@dabmwlawnmower8089
Жыл бұрын
@@Marrow040 his ult is strictly gameplay, it doesn’t exist lore-wise
@damousx6860
Жыл бұрын
@@dabmwlawnmower8089 every ult in the game is lore, just because it doesn’t show all the ults in the story doesn’t mean it isn’t canon. It’s what they can do and zen definitely can
@dabmwlawnmower8089
Жыл бұрын
@@damousx6860 no they’re not, the dev literally said not every ability in the gameplay is included lore wise, zen included
@casheverett6300
Жыл бұрын
Zen ISNT a pacifist. Soldier basically asks why theres a pacifist on the team and Zen basically said “who tf said I was a pacifist”. I dont know the exact voice lines but that the gist.
@MLH_1231
Жыл бұрын
I think Zen replies with something like "What makes you think I'm a pacifist?" The fact he used to spar with both Genji and Ramattra (before they went different paths) definitely says something about his strengyh
@casheverett6300
Жыл бұрын
@@MLH_1231 Soldier: 76: In this world, pacifism is foolish. Zenyatta: What makes you think I am a pacifist? Soldier: 76: You sure talk like one. Zenyatta: Perhaps it is assumptions that are foolish. Found the exact quotes.
@marcogeorgoussis5531
Жыл бұрын
Honestly think ana could low-key be raid boss material, maybe not old ana but young ana for sure. Apparently she was just a straight savage back in the day who would do anything to survive. Also I feel if hanzo wasn't constantly in a depressive mid life crisis episode he could be insanely strong.
@MysticalWizard101
Жыл бұрын
I get what u mean but she’s still widowmaker level they’re both experts in sniping and have some martial arts but since they’re snipers close range ain’t their best friend
@kuzanjp9336
Жыл бұрын
Ana is better than Widow but she hesitates to shoot and it costs her an eye.
@MysticalWizard101
Жыл бұрын
@@kuzanjp9336 true but it’s more of a prime type of deal. If Ana was in her prime than yes 100% yes she will win but widowmaker has been trained by Ana and talon. Widow is now in her prime which Ana can’t compete at least in a 1v1 again
@stinkyfishy891
Жыл бұрын
@@MysticalWizard101 I think Ana would still win in the 1v1, yes widow has more physical capabilities but in the comic Ana had widow in her sites long before widow knew she was there
@MysticalWizard101
Жыл бұрын
@@stinkyfishy891 if I’m not mistaken that’s when widowmaker became a thing so she wasn’t as fast as she is now
@mrbenson9340
Жыл бұрын
Reaper is literally immortal, he’d just keep coming back. We have seen him die because he is the only one who can die and come back, just like Revenant who has died in a few of the Apex trailers but has also come back due to being practically immortal
@T.Hebert
Жыл бұрын
Vacuum cleaner
@fovalt454
Жыл бұрын
@@T.Heberthes smoke not dust. you cant suck up smoke into a vacuum cleaner.
@cyberr6
Жыл бұрын
@@fovalt454 air purifier : 😃
@fovalt454
Жыл бұрын
@@cyberr6 until he turns back into his normal form the next second and just one taps you
@marlin9053
Жыл бұрын
@@fovalt454he ain't smoke he is particle of cells
@datsuspicious
Жыл бұрын
Symmetra is still being done so dirty in the lore and in game, yes she is a mere architect and it’s on par to allow her to create giant, skyscrapping buildings in seconds, but she was also trained for clandestine missions to benefit Vishkar, the fact alone that it is shown not only she can build buildings but also high functioning technology in a heart beat is pretty op, unlike Torbjorn of which required to plan and need to screw and weld things together, even yet he’s infamous for his tech having malfunctions too From what we know Symmetra’s autism makes her stand out from her colleagues in a way that she doesn’t need to do precise measurements or planning in her work, you need a certain machine for said certain situation, she just needs to think about it and create a functioning technology that serve said purpose What is merely holding her back is her strong sense of order and still on leash with the Vishkar corporation, aside from that Symmetra would be insanely versatile in a combat situation
@Gibbypastrami
Жыл бұрын
Symm is literally the Green Lantern of this universe and GL is S Tier 10000%
@ashton-ryantaylor5297
Жыл бұрын
@@yinja3406 sigma can destroy anyone.. your point?
@MusicalBlam
Жыл бұрын
Hee hee wall seperate in half
@MusicalBlam
Жыл бұрын
@@yinja3406 same energy as "Can he beat goku though?"
@agiantw6890
Жыл бұрын
@@MusicalBlam A kid with stage 4 cancer beats Goku any day, does that mean Sigma’s weakness is children with cancer?? (EXPOSED)
@wonderpenguins2007
Жыл бұрын
dude zen and rammatra literally trained with each other back in the shamboli monastery and he can actually do some insane shit if he wanted to,plus he's genji's mentor.Yea sure he mainly taught genji life lessons and how to accept himself but there are voicelines that indicate genji and zen doing some physical training tgt
@MothDax
Жыл бұрын
When Ramattra kills Zenyatta with a quick melee he literally says "You taught me that one!" indicating that they indeed did spar on occasions Also when killing Zen he says "You must learn to block brother!"
@wonderpenguins2007
Жыл бұрын
@@MothDax that’s what I’m saying right???
@rfn8821
Жыл бұрын
canonically if sigma wasn't being controlled he would be the strongest hero but even while being controlled he is a raid boss. Zarya needs a specially made gun to replicate a fraction of what sigma can do with his hands.
@TypicalCynic_
Жыл бұрын
I’d put Reaper in strong af because he’s literally the same as Soldier: 76 but with additional abilities and infinite shotguns in-lore.
@brickstacker6533
Жыл бұрын
NGL Sombra and Zen should be in Raid Boss. Sombra would be the last mastermind you would face in the lore. Zen can literally ascend into a higher state of being.
@kylehendricksilveralvin5376
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Zen's transcendence is not cannon, just like how Discord and Harmony orbs aren't
@dabrogiorno
Жыл бұрын
@@kylehendricksilveralvin5376 yes it is bro
@sangwoo9395
Жыл бұрын
Sigma, Sombra and zen should be in raid boss.
@kylegrant3316
Жыл бұрын
@Kyle Hendrick Silver Alvin yes it is, infact zen is stronger in lore than in game
@kylehendricksilveralvin5376
Жыл бұрын
@@kylegrant3316 Can you confirm that? Cuz I'm pretty sure the devs themselves have said that Zen's abilities are not cannon in game, he only has his balls in lore
@RM-56
Жыл бұрын
Reaper is Strong AF. Yes he lost to Winston but he's a Raid Boss and not to mention it was pretty close. Also he annihilated those mechs in Sombra Cinematic
@maddon4458
Жыл бұрын
What’s a raid boss??
@tocatooquick1389
Жыл бұрын
@@maddon4458 Raid boss is like a word for general video games, it means an enemy so strong it needed more than a few player to kill it.
@bussyblaster1783
Жыл бұрын
He's not a raid boss... like at all..he's strong but not that strong literally just say your a reaper main and continue
@pims2884
Жыл бұрын
@@bussyblaster1783 technically the battle between him and Winton was really close and if reaper wouldn’t have taunted Winton he could have won
@SpaceHov
10 ай бұрын
@@bussyblaster1783 the guy who made the video literally said ramatra was his boy and instantly put him in 1st. Thats literal bias The other homie just pointed out that guy didnt give much thought to the other characters, especially the unkillable super wraith
@riceboiii2937
Жыл бұрын
firstly i think we're forgetting that junkrat has broken into some of the most secure places on earth and has a bounty of 25 million. secondly lucio started a full on uprising in rio with just his music. bap in lore is actually strong on a large scale as we see him wiping the floor with a platoon of talon operatives. With ana you have to put her lower than widow since ana lost to her. Finally although its a stretch hog could be raid boss or at least higher than sombra since in an interaction even sombra states that no one is gonna stop hog he was also prominent in the m.l.a who started a civil war against the australian government
@arryn786
Жыл бұрын
Technically Ana never ‘lost’ to widowmaker in the lore in the sense of being the lesser sniper which was most definitely widowmaker.
@mr.anonymoose1190
Жыл бұрын
Ana would've definitely beat widow in the fight, but she hesitated on her shot when seeing her opponent was Lacroix. Due to her hesitation, she was shot through her scope and "lost." If the circumstances were different, and the shock factor wasn't there for Ana, she would've beat widowmaker 100%.
@mr.anonymoose1190
Жыл бұрын
@BunsGlazing Yes, but im saying if it would've been a fight where there were no unknown variables, a fight of solely skill. Ana would've won in this case, but she didn't only because she was shocked, and hesitated for a moment.
@LateBandwagon
Жыл бұрын
@BunsGlazing same situation she doesnt know widow, widow dies
@bryangarcia5207
Жыл бұрын
@bunsglazing she only died because she essentially saw a ghost. If she never saw her than she would have won. Ana had her in her sights for a second before Widow even lifted her rifle to her
@heyfell4301
Жыл бұрын
Reaper was able to beat a full squad of hyper-advanced mechs in Infiltration, we could see quite clearly how powerful those robots were, considering their damage capabilities (their laser beans resembled Zarya's a lot, they clearly could destroy anything they touched with ease). Reaper also doesn't seem to have struggled against them, although he did take a beating at the beginning of the fight, so my guess is that he's really REALLY strong. That's why he's such a threat to Overwatch anyway.
@emerald_menace582
Жыл бұрын
I believe zaryas laser is from one of those machines or a machine like it, but I may be wrong
@henriquealvarenga9244
Жыл бұрын
Reaper should be way higher
@bndn4018
Ай бұрын
He should be highest. He aint the strongest, but the only one who could realisticly survive any of the shit those heros face. Like most ofm would kill their selfs if the cins and comics where slightly realistic
@bmaster4550
Жыл бұрын
Reaper destroyed all of the robots in Russia in Sombra's short
@FoxyEdu
Жыл бұрын
Reaper lost twice to Winston, a raid boss, and his plan to “meet” Katia was fooled by Sombra. As well as being the leader of blackwatch. It seems like his fights aren’t a bit fair. Pretty solid tier list, love your content
@thrilltokill5409
Жыл бұрын
Honestly yea, reaper has the same if not better training as Soldier 76, plus his morph and wraith abilities are not on coooldown, he could dodge D-va bomb, well anything.
@kylehendricksilveralvin5376
Жыл бұрын
Not only that, Reaper is also an immortal being, so I don't see how he'd be anything shorter than a Raid Boss
@tocatooquick1389
Жыл бұрын
It's either that Reaper is not as good as he is known for, or he's just an unlucky old man 💀
@ordinarylittlebastard3248
Жыл бұрын
Reaper is the commander of Talon right aside Moira and Doomfist
@OfficialCrowMauler
Жыл бұрын
@@ordinarylittlebastard3248 beside*
@mike21378
Жыл бұрын
We’ll Reaper only loses due to plot armor of his opponents. We seen him destroy Winston multiple times then get cycled by plot armor, we’ve seen him take on a literal giant mech, and when you sit down and think about his power he is perfectly suited to beat everyone in the Overwatch universe except for Sigma who is the Strongest character in the Ow universe which his total control of Gravity. This list seems to be in the sense of straight up fights but in universe Moira would be scary in an intelligent sense and Symetra is a construct worker also Junkrat at least deserves mid he is a deranged explosive obsessed lunatic and though you say he fails at everything but there is a $25,000,000 reward for him cause he’s been on a successful world wide heist spree with Roadhog.
@Moistdr
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree.
@tpminty9142
Жыл бұрын
Yeah this video has nothing to do with "strength" at all. This is more of a "if these fucks were at war who would be the most beneficial", but I guess that title isn't very good
@MLH_1231
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Moira literally sucks the life out of you, and can throw orbs that do the same if you're out of distance, as well as fade to quickly travel. She can definitely cause world-wide threats if she wanted to
@bolsonaro8280
Жыл бұрын
junkrat is literally one of the greatest strategists in this universe as he and roadhog alone came up with a plan to steal money from various locations around the world and managed to escape, as they were very wanted
@Job-xr9pc
Жыл бұрын
Sigma, Reaper and Zen should all be in Raid boss. Sigma is known for being the strongest character because he can control black holes, Reaper won a fight against Winston, and Zen trained Genji to make him as strong has he is now
@tau-5794
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't put Sigma as top tier just yet because we know literally nothing about his powers, other than a vague relation to gravity. He certainly could be a raid boss but it's a little too soon to make that call since we haven't seen him fight in any cinematics, comics, or short stories.
@ktm1125
Жыл бұрын
Sigma. Symmetra. Zen. And Ramattra. Not reaper. He got no shot.
@tau-5794
Жыл бұрын
@@ktm1125 Reaper consistently takes on Winston who can overpower Doomfist, plus his life draining abilities and intangibility make him nearly unbeatable.
@ktm1125
Жыл бұрын
@Tau-5 There is a reason Reaper and Widowmaker are DOOMFIST'S Lieutenants. Not to mention Reaper fought a Winston who has been out of activity for nearly a decade, meanwhile Doomfist fought an active agent Winston in his prime.
@tau-5794
Жыл бұрын
@@ktm1125 Them being under his lead of Talon has nothing to do with their power. Sigma is under Moira who is under Doomfist as well, but that doesn't mean that he's weaker. Widow is a brainwashed assassin and Reaper has a personal, single-minded vendetta against Overwatch, while Doomfist is the only one who has the vision and administrative prowess to actually lead the organization.
@PimpingWolfwood
Жыл бұрын
Junker Queen is definitely a raid boss. In her intro cinematic she beat up mech suits as a normal, barely armored person.
@MysticalWizard101
Жыл бұрын
Bro her magnetism would be a threat in a world with flying cars and robots
@kroneexe
Жыл бұрын
No, she’s strong, but not raid boss level.
@akionlizard
Жыл бұрын
Kiriko can literally summon a spirit that makes people go bat shit. I'd say she's strong af cuz also teleport AND can heal *mortal* wounds which...I think only mercy canonically can do.
@HamHamPangPangEnjoyer
Жыл бұрын
I love how Genji's just sitting in the middle of Raid Boss between a bunch of massive tanks as a funny little cyborg man.
@Ezratheampwave
9 ай бұрын
Very overrated, genji is nowhere near more powerful than say sigma
@D00MFIST
9 ай бұрын
sigma (besides reaper) is the most overated of them all, sig is crazy af and is so brainwashed he can't think for himself, so he is under the control of talon, if he was sane you could argue but he is too brainwashed to be raidboss maybe strong af @@Ezratheampwave
@Ezratheampwave
9 ай бұрын
@@D00MFIST so you’re still gonna tell me even if sigma is brainwashed that genji would beat him? Also sigma isn’t completely or near completely brainwashed is anything he’s just more evil when it comes to talons control but outside of that he’s really kind. Sigma is very very strong and his mental state won’t get in the way of him demolishing anyone on this list
@D00MFIST
9 ай бұрын
@@Ezratheampwave No he would destroy genji, but could he defeat doomfist? Doom has the most powerful weapon in the entire lore, so no sigma would probably be second or third place on raidboss
@glizzified7578
Жыл бұрын
Zen, sigma, reaper. SEVERELY underrated
@R0adFlareGames
Жыл бұрын
Reaper literally beat soldiers ass twice in a row despite an Ana pocket in the comics
@Unfriended_Doggo
Жыл бұрын
Junkrat went on a bunch of heists and in the comics blew up an entire skyscraper because some guy made him angry, underrated in my opinion
@zadock6370
Жыл бұрын
I think tracer has the most untapped potential. she has the potential to do some insane stuff with her powers, but as of the moment she only uses them in a linear and straightforward fashion. if she could try to work on expanding her control over her powers to be able to do new and unique things with them, she has the potential to be one of the most powerful beings on the planet
@bndn4018
Ай бұрын
Idk seems kinda high risk low reward. Her powers are technicly only to prevent her from "dying". Idk if i would experiemt with the only thing binding me to the fricking TIME
@zadock6370
Ай бұрын
@@bndn4018 you are on to something, but I think it is more like high risk high reward to where it is risky to do crazy stuff with it, but if learned how to do it right, it can make you op as frick and nigh unstoppable. not to mention that it might be possible to be able to anchor herself to her present time without the chrono accelerator is she one day would gain enough control and mastery of her abilities/condition. I am more thinking on a theoretical standpoint, but you never know
@Backlash00z89
Жыл бұрын
You threw on that zen pick considering even gengi says that he hasn't been able to even touch zen while training
@MLH_1231
Жыл бұрын
Oh damn, really? Not to mention in his ult Zen legit just ascends into a Nirvana state. He's definitely not a "push over"
@spookyjohn6543
Жыл бұрын
My man junkrat hasnt been done justice He managed to breeze through an INTERNATIONAL crime spree
@spookyjohn6543
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah and he also canonically detonated a skyscraper.
@MLH_1231
Жыл бұрын
The fact he constantly survives that many explosions says a lot about his durability too
@angelogenua2682
Жыл бұрын
@@spookyjohn6543 9/11 ow edition
@axe_stump
Жыл бұрын
Important note about Reaper's mission in Volskaya: in the "Masquerade" comic, it is revealed in a conversation between Reaper and Doomfist (right after the latter escaped prison) that Reaper was aware of Sombra's sabotage + meeting with Katya Volskaya. But he decided to keep his cards close to himself. (it doesn't confirm whether or not he knew what she would do before they got to Volskaya Industries tho) Also, it is revealed in the same comic that Reaper got a portion of the Overwatch database when he invaded their headquarters in the Recall (Winton's) cinematic, so his mission wasn't a complete failure, it just didn't turn out perfect. He's quite fast in the lore and not dumb at all. In fact, he seems way more cunning than Soldier 76. Definitely strong in a 1v1 --- which he never got to have, it has always been vs 2 or more, which is why he's often seen retreating in the stories.
@Patobaixinho
Жыл бұрын
I love this list it’s pretty accurate to me. I personally would have maybe put Hanzo a little bit higher, just because of the spirit dragons. I think people underestimate how insanely powerful Dragonblade and Dragonstrike really would be. It’s literally the brothers using mystical dragons to fight by their side
@bookies24k8
Жыл бұрын
I mean the whole reason hanzo is depressing in all his voicelines is because he killed genji so hes clearly a raid boss
@Patobaixinho
Жыл бұрын
@@bookies24k8 big brain move right there
@flysoup3607
Жыл бұрын
@@bookies24k8 Genji is strong because of the cybernetics, training, and the serious personality that he gained after the failed assassination attempt.
@FTLin0
Жыл бұрын
Hanzo sliced Genji into half by his Katana in the lore. I have no idea why he is weaker than Genji.
@syncberry
Жыл бұрын
@@FTLin0 i dont think that part of their lore would even count. you're right about hanzo being the stronger one in their youth, but they have changed a lot throughout the years. that was before genji was turned into a cyborg and before hanzo started using the bow
@Grace1047
Жыл бұрын
Echo is a raid boss she could duplicate a raid and in the lore her duplication has no limitations whilst making her 10x more efficient than who she’s duplicating
@rereese7
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I wish Echo had duplicated the giant robot in the Zero Hour video. That would've done her more justice for her duplication powers.
@andrescervantes2417
Жыл бұрын
I think Hanzo was done dirty… if Genji is a raid boss, Hanzo should at least be strong af or even raid boss too, because in lore Hanzo beats Gengi and has even trained his skills for longer and to greater skill… the “better with a bow” quote should be taken for granted I think, we should take it as true because it probably is Edit: I typed this before finishing the vid but while Hanzo wasn’t done dirty, he probably could have been put higher
@William256
Жыл бұрын
Genji, at the current point in time, is more skilled than Hanzo. Based on their cinematic, Genji no diffed him.
@Goldfish1060
Жыл бұрын
No in lore Hanzo loses to Genji. Genji spent all his time training. Sure, Hanzo has the potential to reach Genji status, but at the moment he’s a broken man. I mean his only cinematic is a 1v1 against Genji and he lost.
@Thispersonisreal
Жыл бұрын
@@Goldfish1060 because he used a bow, and hanzo killed genji with a blade he refuses to use because he killed his brother with one, hanzo can be absolute fucking menace if he decides to touch blade again
@ultraslayer9255
Жыл бұрын
@@Goldfish1060 hanzo trains everyday as well, I think it’s in his cheater description as well
@Lobo.mp4
5 ай бұрын
@@William256 I'm not the type of person to care about these kinds of things, but I'm actually SO MAD people think hanzo is in any way weaker than genji. First of all their cinematic "fight" was a CONVERSATION, also hanzo was there to MOURN having killed genji, WHY WOULD YOU THINK HE'D TRY TO FIGHT HIM???? Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING genji can do (that's not because he's a ciborg like, having shurikens inside his arms lol) hanzo can do as well, and this is true both in lore and IN GAME!!! By the way, genji can double jump because he's a ciborg and hanzo WITHOUT BEING ONE ALMOST CAN AS WELL!! Hanzo LIMITED himself to a bow because of his mourning, but if he had to use a sword to save his life he'd go CRAZY I would even go as to say that if he REALLY wanted, he could have had a chance against genji even with a bow, but then again, he would never hurt genji again, so ESPECIFICALLY against him he could lose, but in general I think he has the edge, especially considering genji spent years meditating and not training, while hanzo spent more time still training AND TO SAY HE IS "guy with bow" HURT ME PHYSICALLY
@piggythegod7828
Жыл бұрын
Zenyatta would neutralize almost this entire roster, I mean he made Genji the raid boss he is, he’s definitely Raid Boss in terms of strength
@pearl2025
Жыл бұрын
Sigma controls black holes, he's like a tier higher than the rest of the other characters.
@h_haz
Жыл бұрын
Bro in sombras cinematic, reaper single handedly wrecks like 50 guards and a giant mech He deserves at very least top of mid
@bluewizard8404
Жыл бұрын
Wow I'm surprised no one talked about sojourn being put at mid I think at a certain point she was just superior to humans but later on after getting more upgrades she goes to being superior to omnics even beating an OR model in hand to hand everything about her is enchanced including her brain she's the greatest tactician overwatch has seen that's like all I can think of atm hopefully other people see she should be higher too 😆
@kingsarues1586
Жыл бұрын
You can only replace so much and her human parts are dying
@eoc8914
Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine how much this will get shifted once the PVE drops
@Evan-yw4zn
Жыл бұрын
this aged well
@nicknamegg2206
5 ай бұрын
yeah right
@TrojanManSCP
Жыл бұрын
I feel like we didn't weight the Archives missions enough. Are they "lore?" Because the Kings Row mission should bump Torb up significantly on payload turret merit, and maybe Reaper deserves a bump as well because he absolutely will extrajudicially shoot you in the face. That basically puts him on par with Widow - different method, same results.
@sirnetflix7162
Жыл бұрын
Zenyatta a pushover? Dude has the power to manipulate the emotions of others with Harmony and Discord orbs, can achieve literal enlightenment and become invulnerable to all damage (basically becomes a God, if you count that ability as canon), and has canonically beaten GENJI in sparring sessions pretty badly.
@Flarios55
Жыл бұрын
In lore I would have Zenyatta up there with Genji and Rammatra since they both consider him a great fighter, I feel like he wouldn't initiate a fight but is quite ready to humble someone if need be. I agree with the list besides that.
@x_dray872
10 ай бұрын
Never let this man cook again 💀
@sakage4181
Жыл бұрын
Hanzo I think should be higher as the "guy with a bow" has insane accuracy even able to pressure genji with his cybernetics in their cinematic plus the strength of whatever a spiritual dragon can do in lore. He has to be strong af at least.
@Kanqr.
Жыл бұрын
Might be biased, but I think hanzo should be a raid boss equal with genji
@The-hamster2471
Жыл бұрын
@@Kanqr. agreed hanzo held back in the dragons cinematic
@dillonu.4975
Жыл бұрын
Torb with prep time is God tier
@snc237
Жыл бұрын
Torb with 72hrs notice would be terrifying
@SadMatte
Жыл бұрын
@@snc237 doesn't he build turrets every 12 seconds in the game? He would have made like over 20000+ turrets in that time... you can't really argue he's not raid boss he absolutely is
@snc237
Жыл бұрын
@@SadMatte well we going with lore and not in game facts. Torb originally had to level up his turret in game before being reworked. Thus torb does need to build his stuff before battle
@vuelle9816
Жыл бұрын
reaper is borderline immortal, Hanzo soloed a dragon-demon thing, Junkrat is an explosives expert, and Brigitte was formally trained by rein. Edit: also, sigma has the infinite power of the universe. He just can’t comprehend all of it. He has the most power a human being could ever hold.
@ShadteR
Жыл бұрын
do more research, you ignored all the comics and missed a lot of vital info for this.
@bndn4018
Ай бұрын
I think the main issue aint even that. The main issue with scalin ov heros is 1.that its ,obviously , a game but i think ppl tend to forget that literaly no hero, exept reaps maybe, could actualy take a bullet and fight on. And 2. How ov nerratives been til now. Ppl dont die when they shoudl exept the death is needed. Explosion dont do the dmg they shoudl. And situation unfold how they would never( there no single sniper in whome numbani? Even tho 1 would be enough to stop 10 dooms.) Ppl win bc they have to for the already established nerrative. I knos it a weak argument typicky but literally every win in ov lore was more plot armour than an actualy strentgh indicarion. Ana and wid can kill anybody(agains exept reaps) from the hero ruster if it where realistic. Illiari has insans raw power outbut and cool super powers but any and wid would just snipe her away on a normal tuesday. Ov scalin is really weird bc of that so my opnion is: the only true anwer to stromgest hero is reaper
@bentice5911
Жыл бұрын
Genji literally said he couldn’t even touch zenyatta when they trained what 💀💀💀
@noelasplejames3301
Жыл бұрын
Honzo can shoot dragons and put him under soldier because soldier can run faster
@asuna7747
Жыл бұрын
you put sciencist who never use gun and would be able to die from random guy with a knife over a biotic vampire with super soldier abilities
@kacarimbo6589
Жыл бұрын
lucio, reaper, junkrat, moira and hanzo should be way higher lucios powers got very underestimated, he could do a lot with them reaper almost got winston and the viskar mechs all by himself you can see how strong hanzo really is in the dragons of the nexus cinematic moira could take reinhart on her own, without mencioning she is just as capable of healing as mercy
@liam6068
Жыл бұрын
Moira was a little underrated in this one, remember that she get can vanish and pop out of nowhere everytime she wants to literally suck life out of you, not to mention that she also use this energy to heal herself, so she won’t fall that easy. She’s at least in the strong 1v1 tier imo.
@chronosoul1837
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the updated tier list after PvE story missions release & more lore.
@D00MFIST
9 ай бұрын
Well that aged quickly (1 year later)
@coltybeast6954
Жыл бұрын
Pov you Fight SIM and she Starts Cranking 90 '
@maldino2917
Жыл бұрын
tbh i think the fact that reaper can become an invulnerable mist at will puts him quite high, also his death blossom from the short seemed quite catastrophic.
@MysticalWizard101
Жыл бұрын
Exactly especially that he is stronger than soldier. Both have gone to the soldier enhancement program which already is a boost. Now add his fast regenerate cells. Which he uses to teleport, become invulnerable, and summon items out of thin air
@tealnoise
Жыл бұрын
Bro did some of these characters dirty 💀
@tristenbailey8442
Жыл бұрын
Everyone deserves their opinions, but this list really feels like you've done very little research to the point where you took the first thing you read about their overall capabilities at face value.
@Muuony
Жыл бұрын
I think junker queen is a raid boss with all of her voice lines commanding people who are raid bosses also her line with doom sounds too cool also therein her cinematic she’s holding back and being merciful
@sempai7513
9 ай бұрын
Sigma just crushes everyone in the lore. No question Sigma is by far strongest character in lore. If Sigma gets a crazy mental breakdown I am pretty sure he could actually destroy the whole world with gravite manipulation. The scaling not even close.
@mrflamingo2687
Жыл бұрын
I think your wrong about zen and Moira since zen can literally hover without any technology and honestly I think zen might be capable of literally anything if he tried hard enough and for Moira she can genetically modify people and probably herself, she gave reaper his abilities and could probably give herself insane abilities to
@PolishGod1234
Жыл бұрын
Roadhog can pull a giant metal mech to him from long distance with only 1 arm without breaking a sweat, that's SUPERHUMAN strenght.he should be higher tbh
@Azuryche
Жыл бұрын
Lucio led the revolution in Rio with nothing but his skates
@RRRRRRRRR33
9 ай бұрын
Doomfist is the main villain of the setting, he has to be the strongest for plot reason. He took out a entire Overwatch team by himself, his punch can move mountains, etc.. as power goes, Sigma is supposed to be the strongest, but he can't control his powers. If you take in consideration how Doom can brainwash Sigma to utilize his gravity powers to his favor, who is the real threat?
@elaikehler6030
9 ай бұрын
how in the goddamn fuck is Hanzo mid if Genji is raid boss
@elaikehler6030
9 ай бұрын
who the hell let this guy cook
@Ropewatch
5 ай бұрын
Ikr Hanzo literally had the same training and is the more serious disciplined brother of them.
@duartetavares329
Жыл бұрын
Only reason reaper got defeated is bcs of plot armour.. he literally beats winston easily, only plot armour to save him... he literally can teleport, create weapons, regenerative capabilities, creating weapons out of thin air, becoming invulnerable, and possibly even immortal, since he literally is just a bunch of shadows
@kenanOW
Жыл бұрын
Zen is genji master how is he placed at the lowest?
@Destinyvoid
Жыл бұрын
When u only watch cinematic :
@muzankibutsuji8919
Жыл бұрын
Okay I understand you probably haven’t read too much of the comics or into the lore but Zenyatta is actually stronger than genji. When zen trained genji, genji never once won a battle against him. Also reaper caused Winston some trouble so I’d put him in atleast “strong in a 1v1”
@jgamer1137
Жыл бұрын
In the lore pre overwatch short, Hanzo beats genji in a fight and in hanzos resentment he stops using swords as a whole as it brings him down the dark parts again of when he thought he killed his brother
@willyboi1105
Жыл бұрын
Hot take but Tracer should be placed below Hammond. Genji even said in lore that she was the only sparring partner he had trouble keeping up with. In cinematics, none of the heroes are visually injured/bleed from each other's attacks (Hanzo vs Genji no one actually gets hurt other than dragon which doesn't show damage, Reaper shotguns only hit Winston's armour, ending of Cassidy vs Ashe is Ashe tied up) but other heroes get to fight minions/low tier enemies that they can kill which is why they seem so strong. Tracer only fights other heroes which with cinematic rules means she can't hurt them with her bullets, just be an annoying trickster. If Tracer could really hit heroes with her bullets, she'd win against most of the no armour heroes because her pulse pistols fire lots of bullets quickly and her speed lets her dodge the opponent's attacks. Assuming all bullets are the same damage and hurt just like in real life, Tracer would outduel anyone without armour just by firing 40 bullets every second at them. Widow would have died in her cinematic if Tracer was allowed to hit any of her shots because the pain of being shot will weaken her which lets more bullets hit her.
@snc237
Жыл бұрын
He said he had trouble keeping up, not that he couldn’t. She literally blinks through time and lost to widow and doom.
@willyboi1105
Жыл бұрын
@@snc237 My comment also mentioned that Genji (who is a raid boss) said he had trouble keeping up with Tracer so I'm not sure why you said the same. Doom is a raid boss so it makes sense that Tracer will lose to him. If you read my comment you'll know that Tracer only lost to Widow because in cinematics, heroes don't hit each other with their bullets unless they're hitting armour but they can kill NPCs just fine. Otherwise, Tracer would've won against Widow if she was allowed to hit her shots. Tracer's main weakness is ironically characters with superhuman reflexes and speed (Genji and Doom) because they can keep up with her blinks. Other than that, if you can survive past a certain amount of time, Tracer's chronal accelerator might overheat which is why characters with armour have a chance against her. Characters who wear normal clothing or skintight suits and aren't very fast (Widow) would not be able to take more than a few of Tracer's bullets and would die.
@snc237
Жыл бұрын
@@willyboi1105 doom does not have super reflex’s. In the cinematic he observed and watched tracers pattern. Tracer also had significant issues with reaper and widow. She was losing again until the kids stepped in. Yes you’re right technically tracer should be great but in every cinematic she’s on her back foot or losing
@WizardofFoz
Жыл бұрын
Tbh tho JunkRat robbed a ton of very secure vaults and he’s literally unkillable my man has blow himself up like fifty times.
@koastyyyyyy
Жыл бұрын
Hanzo and mcree are stated to be pretty damn strong in lore
@cropsey7412
Жыл бұрын
Sigma : a mad scientist capable of bending the laws of physics to his will and manipulate the power of gravity. Lucio : *has cool music*
@pepelpepe5446
Жыл бұрын
What is Zen doing in Powerless 💀💀💀
@chlve
Жыл бұрын
Much like in game zen is the sleeper pick. The man literally enters a higher form of existance and cannot be killed, for the longest duration and isnt limited by a fragile drone like bap. Hes admited to be at least an equal to ramattra who personally respects his wisdom and he is genji's martial arts master/mentor. Definitley a raid boss if peace is not an option. He cannot attack during transcendence in game, but his orbs become *giant* golden spheres pulstating with what looks to be unlimited other worldly energy. Just imagine if he started fastballing those around and you literally couldnt touch him in that state he is literally in godmode
@blazypoo1723
Жыл бұрын
I believe that in the Zero Hour cinematic, Genji could mop the floor with Doomfist. Because in Genji's lore, he was still conflicted about being a cyborg in that fight with Doom, so he was certainly not at his peak level and so he got destroyed. After being bodied by Doomfist, Zenyatta became his master and made him the man he is now. No longer caring about being a cyborg and learning inner peace, he got a lot stronger. I think he could 100% defeat Doomfist.
@doomfist_enthusiast7255
Жыл бұрын
I believe that in the doomfist cinematic he fucking toys with tracer and genji simultaneously and only lost due to Winston going primal
@ktm1125
Жыл бұрын
The only feet genji has that's impressive, is the deflect. What he himself outputs is very mid. He kills less bots than brig. He gets shit on by everyone who isn't just a normal human with a weapon.
@blazypoo1723
Жыл бұрын
@@ktm1125 This is just plain wrong. Using the same cinematic Zero Hour as another example again, Genji slices through the massive robot's hand like it's nothing to help out Tracer. A giant robot that was destroying Tracer, Winston, and Mei all at once before he showed up. Genji's reaction speed, strength, and sword combat is on par to that of Raiden from Metal Gear.
@illgeteverythingback
Жыл бұрын
nah, doom no diffs genji easy, genji became at peace with himself and he trained with zen sure, doom lost to winston after being 3v1ed and came back stronger and broke out of a maximum security prison, genji slicing a giant mechs hand in half is nothing when pittin them against each other, as before, doom threw a fucking car and genji just cuts in half.. doom THREW a CAR, genji sliced it in half midair and he was STILL 3v1'ing them
@julian0074
7 ай бұрын
Never let him cook again
@GoodlyClaw46076
Жыл бұрын
Although Orisa was made to beat doom I think she would definitely still lose in a 1v1 with him, mainly because doom was able to solo an entire army of robots that were the same type of model as orisa in numbani but orisa is a bit stronger than them so I’m not sure.
@bloompey2213
Жыл бұрын
Tell me you don’t know about Overwatch lore without telling me you dont know about overwatch lore
@crazy36069
Жыл бұрын
Junk is infamous for doing big heist with Hog, and even has a huge bounty. Junk is also the dude who made all of his tech, and his items are pretty decent considering what he had at his disposal. And if Ana gets big rank because of tactics, soldier should also get ranked up, because he was in the army, and unlike Ana, actually has bodily upgrades.
@kimbernetikiberneti
Жыл бұрын
I believe that lore accurate, Ramattra's small vortex would take down skyscrapers, many characters are super underpowered to fit gameplay
@cak17
Жыл бұрын
Reaper defeated a big robot in the Cinematic whith Widowmaker
@stormRed
Жыл бұрын
Symmetra does say she could make an axe that's 1 kilometer tall, which is.... Insane.
@karajfps
Жыл бұрын
Never rate again 🎉🎉
@ModelK-8904
Жыл бұрын
Zen always slept on he's mad busted not even Genji could touch him
@artbybrandonlee
Жыл бұрын
Sees dva is top tier Me a dva main: “Looks good to me”
@no_i_dont_want_no_slugs
Жыл бұрын
Sees lucio in bottom tier Me a lucio main: "Looks good to me"
@zpython_1611
9 ай бұрын
Hanzo has fucking dragons he beat genji in lore and the only reason he didn't beat him the second time is he was fighting someone who knew him and he didn't know the guy was genji also sword vs bow in a close range battle i ain't taking that even if its been a year
@highlyneurotic8384
Жыл бұрын
Agree with this list except for Junker Queen. She is absolutely a raid boss. In the lore she killed the "5 metal demons of the burning lands" which I'm pretty sure are those god AI omics, like the one that dva fights. She killed FIVE.
@tau-5794
Жыл бұрын
In the video the metal demons just look to be 15 or 20 feet tall at max, compared to the kaiju sized gwishin omnic.
@Zaiiuvi
Жыл бұрын
@@tau-5794that’s still insanely tall and killing 5 of them at once adds up.
@anonymanonym9562
Жыл бұрын
Sombra is a raidboss because in the lore she can hack everything even walls so she could take over dvas mech or some other op stuff
@jacobpullen6949
Жыл бұрын
reaper in theory is broken, but he does totally get rolled in every cinematic. he specifically dogs winston tho
@ezspirits175
Жыл бұрын
Well he’s a villain they can’t have the villain win
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