Why doesn't anyone ever ask for a milkshake or chocolate. Its always something vague and philosphical.
@msorani6139
3 ай бұрын
They do
@fcisnotscience
Ай бұрын
A lot of FC-generated messages are vague and philosophical. Many carry the same pro-FC tropes of "breaking free from a prison of silence." Even when the messages contain "every day" content, the messages do not always match the verbal and/or non-verbal behaviors of the individuals being subjected to FC. The typed message could be, for example, "pancakes," but when given pancakes, the individual refuses to eat them. When this happens, facilitators rationalize the refusal by saying to themselves that the person changed their mind about what they wanted for breakfast.
@karenskitchendavidsdelicio7236
6 ай бұрын
These letterboards seem so much better than the icon based AAC (which teacher keeps "modeling, modeling, modeling" HER THOUGHTS which is TELLING and INFLUENCING the students' messages) With the full alphabet the students can spell whatever is in their own head, not only what their SLP programmed into their app and teacher modelled!
@fcisnotscience
4 ай бұрын
The problem in FC/S2C/RPM is not high or low-tech technology. Letter boards can be used as a legitimate tool. Many AAC devices include a full letter board/keyboard. Rather, the problem is facilitator influence and control over letter selection, which comes in the form of physical, visual, and auditory cues. There are many articles and blog posts about this issue on our website: www.facilitatedcommunication.org
@msorani6139
3 ай бұрын
They have an easier time believing that these "cognitively impaired" individuals can pick up on these subtle cues that SAT test proctors, college professors, doctors miss in order to accurately point, letter by letter, to spell out paragraphs of information. Or that the communication partner is somehow telepathically telling them what letters to poke. That makes more sense to them then nonspeakers being intelligent and learning how to point to letters in order to spell out their thoughts. This isn't a grand conspiracy, it's just an alphabet.
@manishab
10 ай бұрын
You have too much time to waste then trying to understand and learn more about it.
@fcisnotscience
10 ай бұрын
You'll find more information about FC/S2C/RPM at www.facilitatedcommunication.org Much of what's listed there are resources are omitted from pro-FC/S2C/RPM websites.
@msorani6139
5 ай бұрын
Speller's is now streaming on KZitem for free if you want to watch it for yourselves.
@fcisnotscience
5 ай бұрын
This is a great opportunity to see how facilitators provide visual, auditory and physical cues that aid in letter selection. And, though these are supposedly exemplars of "successful" FC/S2C/RPM sessions, there are examples of facilitators calling out letters while their client or loved one is not looking at the letter board. I suggest familiarizing yourself with these questions before watching the film. www.facilitatedcommunication.org/blog/questions-to-ask-facilitators-and-yourself-while-observing-fc-s2c-rpm-sessions There are also reviews of the movie on our website www.facilitatedcommunication.org
@TB_funky.bunck21
3 ай бұрын
It's just an odd thing to say too. The kids in the film where very philosophical in the answers.
@kyleenoldham6242
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your awareness to the lies Even facilitators are not always aware of the control they have and influence and then there are thise VERY aware. Its emotional manipulation of parents who are desperate to blindly believe this lie for the false hope and is truely dispicable to be a proponent of. This is not helping.
@racheljones2944
2 ай бұрын
Interesting. I knew about the ideomotor phenomenon, but I was honestly expecting it to be a little more subtle in this case, given the clip was featured in a documentary *promoting* the practice of FC. Even without the analysis, it’s very obvious the facilitator is doing her best to control Aydan’s letter choices- and that the result is still a largely random string of letters!
@fcisnotscience
Ай бұрын
Facilitator cueing and control can range from subtle to more visible. In some forms of FC, like Spelling to Communicate, facilitator cueing is encouraged, not discouraged. Facilitators also control which stencils are selected, when the "spelling" session stops and starts, etc. There are a lot of jump cuts in the movie--presumably to make it look like Aydan is spelling out words in sequence (rather than just moving his hand in the general direction of the board).
@PallasTurrets
Жыл бұрын
It also feels odd that she ends the word "is", even though he could have been spelling a longer word that begins with "is". How does she know that's not the case?
@fcisnotscience
Жыл бұрын
That's exactly the problem with facilitators controlling access to the letter board.
@sgerbic
Жыл бұрын
That was a lot of work Janyce to put this video together! I kept answering the questions as you asked them, frustrating that the supporters of this nonsense won’t answer the questions. That’s the first time I’ve seen someone need to look at a nose in order to communicate. I’ve seen Soma take the pencil Aldo right out of the hand. Rude and it seems pointless.
@fcisnotscience
Жыл бұрын
@@sgerbic From what I can tell, facilitators try to deflect attention away from their behavior...so even asking the questions is considered being against FC. It also appears facilitators grab the pencil away when the client isn't pointing to the letter they want them to. It's another subtle-not-so-subtle way of controlling the messaging.
@msorani6139
5 ай бұрын
If he continues spelling a longer word she'll write it down and see that it wasn't "is" it was "issue" it happens all the time. Watch Elizabeth Bonker's valedictorian speech, it's on KZitem. Do you think she fooled her teachers and professors her whole life?
@msorani6139
5 ай бұрын
@@sgerbiclearn about the method, learn about apraxia and it will make sense to you.
@dawnjennings-os4ho
6 ай бұрын
It looks much more authentic and reliable than the PECs system, which also uses prompting and modeling. Also, there are studies verifying the words are the spellers. An eye tracking study out of the University of Virginia proves that the spellers eyes track from one letter to the next letter faster than anyone would possibly be able to prompt or influence them to go there. Educate yourself and your viewers.
@fcisnotscience
5 ай бұрын
While facilitator/assistant cueing is always a concern, at least PECS is evidence based. There are no reliably controlled studies proving proponent claims that FC/S2C/RPM (or other facilitator-dependent techniques) lead to independent communication. The Jaswal studies coming out of the University of Virginia did not control for facilitator influence/control of the letter board, which negates some, if not all of the claims made by the researchers. Reviews of the eye-tracking study (and more) are available on our website: www.facilitatedcommunication.org
@cabbie83
4 ай бұрын
You need to learn more about how difficult apraxia is to overcome! Yes when learning the speller need a lot of support. Their body is very out of their control and they depend on their communication partner to keep them regulated!! Once they become fully fluent they are able to consistently hit the letter they want to
@fcisnotscience
4 ай бұрын
Thank you. I am familiar with the misuse of this term in the FC/S2C/RPM literature. Many people being subject to its use are able to perform gross and fine motor tasks (e.g., picking up a chip from a plate, tying their shoes, using a paintbrush, shaving) that would also enable them to select letters on a keyboard. We've covered this topic on our website. Here is a link to some of this information: www.facilitatedcommunication.org/search?q=apraxia
@angied1980
Ай бұрын
I can't even finish watching this. Please watch the movie and make your own decision. If you listened to what DM was saying, she pointed to the I because she said, "Let's start with I," so she pointed at it to get him started. You can tell she didn't know what he was spelling beforehand because you saw her surprised look when he went for the A to spell ahead? Why fight against our kids learning to use a letter board so they can speak their minds. Who is it hurting?
@fcisnotscience
Ай бұрын
I encourage people to watch Spellers as well and look for facilitators who call out letters even when their client is not looking at the board or crying in addition to using verbal and physical cues and holding the board in the air and moves due to the ideomotor response. These small muscle movements are often inadvertent and non-conscious, but aid in letter selection. The movie also omits the fact that organizations such as the American Speech/Language Hearing Association and American Association on Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities oppose the use of FC/S2C/RPM and cite lack of scientific evidence, facilitator cueing and control, prompt dependency, and potential harms (such as false allegations of abuse. FMI information about controlled studies, systematic reviews, critiques of FC, opposition statements and more, please check out our website at www.facilitatedcommunication.org. Also, here's a review of the movie: www.facilitatedcommunication.org/blog/a-review-of-the-movie-spellers-a-documercial-for-spelling-to-communicate
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