TWWH2: a game where you can play as exotic factions such as sex elves, talking rats, satanic vikings and the French.
@diogovieira5563
3 жыл бұрын
frenchs who dont make sex!
@MusMasi
3 жыл бұрын
@@diogovieira5563 only within the family
@OneGoldenCat
3 жыл бұрын
You know it's fantasy when the French are fighting instead of running away :P
@henrybecerra1353
3 жыл бұрын
@@j.a.b.nijenhuis8124 Half of those victories came from a Corsican
@_draco_7300
3 жыл бұрын
@@OneGoldenCat BRUH, have you seen the discipline on their infantry? Are you sure about that?
@gekkusgekman7736
3 жыл бұрын
"Dwarfs topped by the beastmen" "Greenskins edging the beastmen" We might have to call the witch hunter general on this video
@garretth8224
3 жыл бұрын
Moo
@MarieAvora
3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this comment
@datkhornedog899
3 жыл бұрын
I! _Am! _*_HEEEEEEERE!!!_* *Barged in with Steam Tanks*
@kasekeaton2995
3 жыл бұрын
I guess I'm kinda off topic but do anyone know of a good place to watch newly released tv shows online ?
@kasekeaton2995
3 жыл бұрын
@Reyansh Tomas thanks, I signed up and it seems like a nice service :) Appreciate it !!
@d2cmp
3 жыл бұрын
We need the expendables tournament now goblins vs skavenslaves vs peasants vs zombies
@max.z9991
3 жыл бұрын
Every fight takes 40 minutes^^
@jktuert8630
3 жыл бұрын
Well that would be easy - zombies cause fear and not run.
@alexd832
3 жыл бұрын
@@jktuert8630 well if miners are included (as the crappiest dwarfen unit than they would win)
@jktuert8630
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexd832 they are not expendable.
@alexanderdittrich9743
3 жыл бұрын
@@jktuert8630 Zombies are also not expendable, but miners cost almost to nothing
@PingachuWarham
3 жыл бұрын
-Skinks: "Well at least we still have Happy Skink!" -Happy Skink: :'(
@smileybones9172
3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why Skinks were used instead of Saurus Sword and Board, and then I looked at the cost. At which point, I looked at the 800 cost and went "oh, oh no, that wouldn't have even been a competition."
@UnreasonableOpinions
3 жыл бұрын
Saurus are good mid-tier infantry that can comfortably tussle with everything short of elite anti-infantry, and with unexpectedly high AP can even do some damage before they go on Seordmasters and Executioners. They would have stomped even a mid-tier infantry contest, let alone this.
@julianthor4988
3 жыл бұрын
You will ever go for the skinks with javalins when you can. For 400 they will ever pay for their price.
@tunemaki_izlasitrlv6835
3 жыл бұрын
At least skinks have 46 speed and they can outrun most infantry. They can easily flank and will still beat many missile units so they are not bad units for their price. Also, they are AqUaTiC!!!
@DzinkyDzink
3 жыл бұрын
@@tunemaki_izlasitrlv6835 This is where the test falls apart. Different units serve a different purpose within their rosters: State Troops are the backbone of the frontline, while Skinks are a specialized supplement.
@Orcrist
3 жыл бұрын
Empire general looking at results: Hmmm, best roll out the cannons lads.
@TheManofthecross
3 жыл бұрын
lol
@borbarad2.0
3 жыл бұрын
Well, most Power of the empire comes from Blachpowder, so not really surprising. Surprising though, they won against the elves.
@TaRAAASHBAGS
2 жыл бұрын
The Elves have dexterity and perception but humans beat them out in strength and endurance. The only thing that really seperates them is the amount of time Elves have to train. Empire swordsmen need 70 leadership imo
@batuhandagl6826
3 жыл бұрын
I’m absolutely surprised by the performance of Empire Swordsmen. I thought High Elf Spears and Marauders would just run them over but they beat all of them, and even one dryad unit somehow lost against them. Thats some Sigmar’s blessing
@datkhornedog899
3 жыл бұрын
"Faith, Steel and Gunpowder." The Swordsman shows what Empire Steel is made of.
@captainnyet9855
3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised because just today I tested Norscan Marauders and they beat Bleakswords in a 1v1. (granted, the DE didn't get murderous prowess)
@joshjonson2368
3 жыл бұрын
Humanity has no equal heh
@ruas4721
3 жыл бұрын
The state troops are absolutly fine. They lose against higher tier infantery, but in the beginning theyre very powerfull and you just need a lvl 5 general and few turns in campaign, to create very scary early game monsters.
@onurseven82128
2 жыл бұрын
High elves spearman is probaly lowest damaging infantry in the game
@earlycookie
3 жыл бұрын
Elves: "We're the Elves, Each individual Elf has been training in the art of warfare for 1000 years! No one can beat us!" Empire Rabble: "Hold my beer"
@kompatybilijny9348
3 жыл бұрын
High Elves train their citizens for like 20-40 years at max. That's why on the tabletop basic bitch elves have the stats of human proffesional soldiers. But regular elves do not even live for a 1000 years (not anymore).
@Athalwolf13
3 жыл бұрын
If i am not mistaken, the Empire fields professional armies while the lower ranked troops (spearmen and archers) of the high elves are levies and militia. Meanwhile Dwarfs are entirely militia.
@kompatybilijny9348
3 жыл бұрын
@@Athalwolf13 The ENTIRE High Elf army is militia, the "Special units" are not really considered military (Swordmasters are monks, White Lion's are King's Guards, Phoenix Guards are Temple Guards etc.). The only part of the military that IS NOT militia are Sea Guards and their ships, bolt throwers etc. High elves just require EVERY citizen to undergo military training (Around 20 years if I am not mistaken - that's why basic bitch elven archers and spearmen in the tabletop have the same Weapon skill as Empire Greatswords and bretonnian knights - they just train for simmilar periods of time). Empire has a proffesional army, but that army is VERY often only the core of the army on the field, as it is usually supported by conscripted soldiers and militia. And Ogres. I do not know about Dwarves though.
@Athalwolf13
3 жыл бұрын
@@kompatybilijny9348 If i am not mistaken, almost every dwarf upkeeps his own armour and weapons , often having a trade outside the militiary (besides most likely rangers and thanes) The basic Archers and Huntsmen of the Empire are technicially not professional soldiers. Sigmarite pilgrims ( i forgot what they are called. Frenzy and twin-hand maces) are also not professionally career soldiers. The Empire is more based on 1600~1806 Holy Roman Empire where being a soldier was a career thing with conscripts and militia being only used in times of invasion/war.
@kompatybilijny9348
3 жыл бұрын
@@Athalwolf13 Yes. But In lore, The Empire is invaded all the time.
@ethanjohnson9016
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly all I learned is that the empire swordsmen are better than I thought.
@emperorcip9756
3 жыл бұрын
They're pretty good fodder against missile heavy armies like elves.
@GaldirEonai
3 жыл бұрын
They're extremely good value for your money. Super cost-effective way of holding a line.
@Venomine95
2 жыл бұрын
They're good overall but more often than not the empire finds itself fighting against enemies with better basic infantry, with the only real exception being undead.
@Omos24
2 жыл бұрын
@@GaldirEonai if you play as Gelt they can be pretty cracked on the cost side, they get up to 55 armor guaranteed and with some items/perks up to 70, with their attack and defence being boostable, even the standard swordsman become pretty tough, and the greatswords can get over 130 armor.
@andrzejwilk7316
3 жыл бұрын
My hypothesis on why marauders lose to swordsmen, despite higher stats: Swordsmen have a SMALLER unit model than marauders, thus there are more of them squeezed into the front rank and actively contributing to the unit's DPS
@datkhornedog899
Жыл бұрын
Which honestly fits, in a way. Empire soldiers fight together, while Marauders fight for themselves.
@trinox934
3 жыл бұрын
"Oh that Skeleton lost his head :o" "Well atleast he is immune to Headshots now" Damn that killed me bro xD
@lamasta2691
3 жыл бұрын
I was expecting some serious saurus domination, and then was reminded we do in fact have skink cohorts in the roster
@garrettdemoss9465
2 жыл бұрын
ikr i don't think i have ever recruited skinks, always saurus...
@Galatorm
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm pretty sure to be fair he should have uses saurus instead of skinks. They are closer to orcs and Gor, where Skink are closer to ungor and goblins. High elves wise, I wonder if he shouldn't have been using the twin sword wielding ones. Spearmen are naturally disadvantaged vs sword type units.
@alexsawchuk5371
Жыл бұрын
I’d I do get the skink cohort I get the javelin ones
@guillercuastico
Жыл бұрын
@@Galatorm a bit late for the party, but saurus are closer to chaos warriors (obviously worse). They both were the kind of Basic yet Elite type of unit in TT, alongisde Longbeards and Big'Uns. After them, all elves (ethernal guard being the obvious winner) and gors were next in line for best basic infantry. Also, demons and ogres (but not really in the same category).
@Wardemonxi
Жыл бұрын
@@Galatorm Saurus cost 750 to 800 so they are not low tier infantry. Doesn't quite make sense to use mid tier infantry in a low tier infantry test.
@Greyknight1575
3 жыл бұрын
Those swordsmen did the empire proud this day
@jordansmith4040
3 жыл бұрын
All the cost effectiveness, none of the waste.
@Yann2703
3 жыл бұрын
You would think that a scary, buffed Norscan raider could just easily cave the skull of a puny Southlander in, but here we go again
@iniudan
3 жыл бұрын
Maurauder would probably have the advantage if they actually wore functional armor, but they are one of the lowest armor unit, so they have a major weakness against everything cheap.
@95DarkFire
3 жыл бұрын
Those buff guys are all muscle, no stamina.
@DTOStudios
3 жыл бұрын
You see, the Southlander fights FOR SIGMAR!
@bigkahoonaburger7303
3 жыл бұрын
Discipline beats the charge, Romans v gauls etc
@jktuert8630
3 жыл бұрын
Well it was not just puny southlanders. It was their trained soldiers. Real southlanders in this matchups was actually men at arms.
@michaelpetrovich5353
3 жыл бұрын
Must be hard for the prideful Dark elves to get beaten by mushrooms and goats
@lrhty1825
3 жыл бұрын
It's ok, in any real fight there'd be a line of Darkshards to back em up ;)
@leonsteinbauer2770
3 жыл бұрын
Would not have expected that the empire swordsmen do so well...
@tyguy1223
3 жыл бұрын
Easily the best for money
@michaelcollins4534
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly they're right where I hoped they would be
@parkerconnolly2484
3 жыл бұрын
Well the fit what the empire infantry just need to do hold the line and shred them to bits with artillery
@parkerconnolly2484
3 жыл бұрын
And the dwarfs
@kinnarawanderer
3 жыл бұрын
Try playing almost universally with shitty Ungor You appreciate the inherent tankiness of Empire chod
@TheWhoamaters
3 жыл бұрын
Now I wonder how the Saurus Warriors would compare seeing as Skink Cohort are almost an expendable unit
@N0ahface
3 жыл бұрын
Saurus Warriors would win every matchup in this fight, I don't think they would struggle against any of these units except Gors
@Wyvern201
3 жыл бұрын
The thing I love most about the lizardmen is how different they are to every other faction in terms of unit parallels. The Saurus are ridiculously expensive, but they can stomp basically anything not specialised into anti infantry, whereas the skinks are utter crap, but excel at doing what the saurus can’t, chasing down routing units and flanking.
@TheRealKevbot
3 жыл бұрын
I love that you did this, can I request mid-tier infantry next?
@dac314
3 жыл бұрын
Anti-infantry damage dealers, Dryads and Rangers and Berserkers
@Kuddochan
3 жыл бұрын
I would've guessed on the Dwarf Warriors to win because of the armor but didn't really think about the waaagh factor. Seeing the Beastmen do that well was surprising though
@FireTalon24
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing a staunch line of Elven spears can't handle
@thurbine2411
3 жыл бұрын
Except a well placed pendulum
@rohandanielisaac8107
3 жыл бұрын
Laughs in *YARI ASHIGARU spear wall*
@Pencilvester511
3 жыл бұрын
I understood this reference
@MrMortadelas
3 жыл бұрын
A line of even cheaper Elven Swords?
@tyguy1223
3 жыл бұрын
*laughs In empire knights
@RemiTL
3 жыл бұрын
I called Dwarf or Orc boys as top, with the other right behind... Did not see those Beastmen or Eternal Guards coming. (It's those damn woods)
@TheYannir
3 жыл бұрын
As a red-green colorblind person, I'd like to ask if you could use a deeper green next time for the chart? I'm having a really hard time making out anything of it.
@Assdafflabaff
3 жыл бұрын
High Elf Rangers would do pretty well in this competition. They're designed to be the low-tier anti-infantry option.
@sd501st5
3 жыл бұрын
True, and they're very cheap as well, despite their special ability's. Against anything with higher armor or melee defence though, eehhh... that might be a long shot.
@MegaBioGuy
3 жыл бұрын
Praise be the happy skink!
@hounddogzepp
3 жыл бұрын
They have better things to do than fight, anyway!
@Rain..._
3 жыл бұрын
I love when zerk cracks himself up with his dumb jokes XD
@dezthedapper1181
3 жыл бұрын
With the Skaven doing Infantry matchups, I've found flanking tunnel rats does absolute wonders. Double the units, damage, and that morale loss too.
@Nightmare_52
3 жыл бұрын
would love to see how saurus warriors do against things in their bracket
@Ace-08
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely. Skinks are basically gobos...
@markofthebeast2130
3 жыл бұрын
They can stomp every mid tier infantry even chaos warriors (not sure about longbeards)
@Nightmare_52
3 жыл бұрын
They do have decent armor piercing, think they would beat longbeards
@PaladinKhoronis
3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually surpriced Dwarf Warriors weren't able to beat Beastmen.
@PhilosophicallyAmerican
3 жыл бұрын
100 gold cost difference. Gor herd are kind of higher tier.
@J_W_R_I
3 жыл бұрын
@@PhilosophicallyAmerican gor herd is beastman´s mid tier infantry essencially
@NBeaver-bx4yl
3 жыл бұрын
@@J_W_R_I yeah found it weird they were in this competition
@emmapoli3260
3 жыл бұрын
ya, the low tier inflantry for beastmen's are ungors
@95DarkFire
3 жыл бұрын
Who would win? A host of ancient nigh-immortals who have trained for centuries to master the spear and shield... or... a bunch of ANGRY SIGMAR BOIS
@johngomes6544
3 жыл бұрын
Why did Wood Elves get Dryads instead of Eternal Guard, but High Elves got Spearmen instead of Rangers?
@BH-ms2vw
3 жыл бұрын
Price range- rangers cost 600, he said 550 was limit.
@venox3811
3 жыл бұрын
Watch the end
@fendelphi
3 жыл бұрын
@@BH-ms2vw That 550 limit is just what he decided because it fit "what was already on the list". Rangers have less upkeep than any other HE unit(and lower than several of the other units on this list), is still very cheap for the HE lineup and is MADE for low-tier infantry grinds. He also said "low tier", but Gor Herds(tier 3), Man-at-arms with shields(tier 3) and Eternal Guards with shield(tier 2) are higher than tier 1. So why not Crypt Ghouls? They cost 500 and are tier 2, and vastly superior to Skeleton Warriors for the Vampire Counts. Or Nehekhara Warriors instead of Skeleton Warriors for the Tomb Kings(cost 525 and is tier 2)? If he had said the limit was 600, it would not change the lineup a whole lot. High Elves and Lizardmen(as LM would get Redcrested Skinks, which also is a low tier infantry grinder), and maybe Gor Herd(without shields) since they trade MD and shield block for more MA, AP and charge bonus. He is free to make his list as he wants, but the rules for choosing units is not very consistent, is all I am saying.
@Cloudy-qb4ri
3 жыл бұрын
@@fendelphi because he has been doing this shit like this, his way, his liking, giving no shit for balancing and the sake of fairness. some first who's the best videos he let ror fight normal unit, ror already has 9 chevron, which normal units have to pay alot more gold to get, but he still think somehow that's fair? take these kind of videos from him with a grain of salt, it's just a content video, nothing from it have any value
@Cloudy-qb4ri
3 жыл бұрын
@@fendelphi anyway his favorite faction is greenskins, that's probably why all of his whothebest videos are always bias and sometimes will yield most of the results to any orc's units
@Just_Adrian_
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the main reason the orc infantry is so strong is cause of the waagh, that's a huge help
@bortolocecchini3462
3 жыл бұрын
Personally, i do not fully agree with the waaagh use in the test: since waagh activacion cost/timer depends, if i am not mistaken, on the number of units in your army as well as the number of units in meele combat at the moment, i think that 2/3 waaghs are a bit too mutch for the test, since in a "real" scenario they would probably only get one. I get the testing purposes and the idea of allowing the use of faction mechanics, but i think that wiith just one waagh the test could have been a little bit more accurate. That said, i may be wrong and i do not think it would have changed that mutch in the end, maybe just the first position. Really fun and well done video as always :)
@RHINO_Mk_II
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think Dwarf warriors had a fighting chance after WAAGH #1, but when the second one started immediately after the first one ended, I knew it was over. Very, very rare to see in an actual battle.
@SleepyFen
3 жыл бұрын
My prediction: Without buffs, probably Dwarf Warriors , especially versus Dryads because of their inherent magic resistance, though maybe they lose against Eternal Guard because of the ap damage? With buffs, almost definitely the Orc Boys. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if regular goblins best half of the field if they're allowed to have the Waagh.
@ByTheGrace0fGod
3 жыл бұрын
They would probably lose to eternal guards yeah as they already struggle vs Bret's polearms
@SleepyFen
3 жыл бұрын
@@ByTheGrace0fGod I'd have updated the comment, but I wanted to avoid spoiling the video :P - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - But I pretty much predicted right. If we don't allow the Waagh, Dwarf Warriors sit comfortably at the top in every match-up, save for Eternal Guard, thanks to their good stats and high armor.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
3 жыл бұрын
I think the Lizardmen should have done the Javelin cohort. The entire point of them is that they are melee units with a limited amount of ranged potential. The vanilla cohort requires no fewer buildings, and costs a pittance less, and should literally only be hired when you are making as cheap of a stack as possible/expendable stack.
@artje90
3 жыл бұрын
the fact that the norsca buff takes 2.25 min to take off and can't even reach that time vs other same tier units makes it obivious that the 45 sec timer is to long for norsca who wants to rush and deal their damage quickly, not on prolonged fights
@RemiTL
3 жыл бұрын
I wish they made that shorter
@bortoo6634
3 жыл бұрын
If you want marauders to last long enought to proc rage you shoud either support them on the charge with monsters/ charriots, choose weaker/defensive units for early engagements or Chevron them up a bit to make them more resilient. Rage works best for swiping from the bottom, so you can advance on its stages without crippling your unit in the process.
@fendelphi
3 жыл бұрын
It is just a bonus on a cheap unit. If they survive long enough(either through support or just luck), they will start to perform better. Berserkers are just the advanced version of this(30 seconds instead of 45, plus bigger buffs) with better base stats.
@artje90
3 жыл бұрын
@@fendelphi the fact is that even vs the WoC variant vs a fight that should drag out a bit (low tier infantry vs low tier infantry) that it isnt even that helpfull. they barely came on top making the rage kinda insignificant. not even to mention when you have SEM, chariots or other actual threats use against them then it is just wasted yet you do have to pay for it
@fendelphi
3 жыл бұрын
@@artje90 It is 2 highly aggressive units(34 MA, 18 Charge) that fight against each other, so it is not strange that they wont last long in a head on fight. If they fought "realistically", they would try to flank or make rear charges, which usually means less damage taken, since less enemy models would be fighting back. I am not saying that they couldnt use a small buff, but this ability is not really what defines their most basic unit anyway. Rage's effect is much more noticable on their higher tier units, like Marauder Champions, since they have the survivability to benefit from it more. Point is, you do get the benefit from it, even on the lower tier ones. And in this case, it was enough to win against their "mirror" unit.
@zeno8655
3 жыл бұрын
Skinks being for lizarmen would be like goblins being for greenskins
@jacobskals4143
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah thats what i thought, like saurus warriors are better right? and they are low tier
@sd501st5
3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobskals4143 Saurus Warriors roll over Ork Boyz so fast it's not even funny. That's definitely not low tier.
@jacobskals4143
3 жыл бұрын
@@sd501st5 well they come from a tier 1 building. They may be really good, but they are low tier
@richardsylvester4518
3 жыл бұрын
Ironically I just finished a tehenhauin skink only playthrough. I can confirm ... they are awful.
@justanotheremptychannel2472
3 жыл бұрын
Fun, my next campaing is going to be Goblin revenge on Orcs
@ftayl5
3 жыл бұрын
The humble swordsmen did better than I expected.
@datkhornedog899
3 жыл бұрын
Markus Kruber trained them.
@tudormunteanu2633
3 жыл бұрын
Well tbh they are well equipped and well disciplined frontline troops with like half a decade of training
@KartarNighthawk
3 жыл бұрын
As a Beastman player it's nice to see them performing well, even if they are overcosted. Will we get a battle of the meatshields at some point?
@victuz
3 жыл бұрын
Not overpriced anymore.
@saltmedicaldoctor2771
3 жыл бұрын
There’s something very satisfying about watching the empire stick it to the elves
@dac314
3 жыл бұрын
As disappointing as the Skinkbros getting beaten was, I just remember that Skink Cohort Javelins exist, and could probably take this contest handily if given an opportunity.
@javierescserr1520
3 жыл бұрын
I kinda thought they are better
@dac314
3 жыл бұрын
@@javierescserr1520 yeah, I'd like to have seen them win A MATCHUP
@ShurilVolari
3 жыл бұрын
Glad he mentioned the campaign differences like if you were playing as Sigvald your marauders get rage too and even berserk after a certain rank would make a massive difference in multi
@lelouchxjxaxb
3 жыл бұрын
Did not expect empire swordsmen to do that well
@marcus3457
3 жыл бұрын
Good video, particularly because I love my low tier infantry when buffed in campaign. I do have a question though. Was it an unfair advantage for the Green Skins to use Waaagh? Just curious what everyone else thinks.
@ogrimbothesour2976
3 жыл бұрын
Best F tier units match when? who will win between the grail relique, the corpse cart, and the carrion!
@capttelush539
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely carrion
@ogrimbothesour2976
3 жыл бұрын
@@capttelush539 peasent mob and slaves are here too!
@Mancboy2000
3 жыл бұрын
@@ogrimbothesour2976 I'd argue neither of those are F Tier. They are so incredibly cheap and anoying that they are often worth bringing. Slaves are actually better than Clanrats for Camapign just down to the amount of value you get for coin spent on recruitment and upkeep. Basic Corpse Cart and Unholy Lodestone Cart are also worth it in campaign, since you often run crap-stacks with free skeletons and a couple of these can cheaply make them a lot more dangerous to low and mid-tier enemy units. The Balefire Corpse cart is absolute trash though.
@ogrimbothesour2976
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mancboy2000 You know im not too proud to admit you're right. Big swarmy expendable units do hit a different (and much more useful) mark than some of the other things mentioned here.
@danny123451
3 жыл бұрын
I would have thought rangers for the high elves.
@GamerGrovyle
3 жыл бұрын
Prediction: Dwarf Warriors. Second place... Maybe Vampire Counts for their Scare? Or High Elves. Although if Saurus Warriors without shields are included they win big time.
@sandwhichishere
3 жыл бұрын
Having watched the first 3 minutes he is using Skinks, but tbh I find the Skink Javelin cohorts make great low tier infantry (until you can replace most/all of them with Saurus Warriors). Edit: he uses just the basic skinks, so not that surprised by their ranking.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
3 жыл бұрын
@@sandwhichishere Yeah, odd choice. The base Skink Cohort is the worst and cheapest unit on the Lizardmen roster. The jav version, or heck, the Red Crested Skink would be better fits.
@Chaossoul87
Жыл бұрын
It's not the size of the shield that counts, it's how you use it. And smaller shields are easier to use and parry blows with.
@scholaepalatinae4988
3 жыл бұрын
You know what we need? The Iron Breaker vs Tree Kin matchup.
@SleepyFen
3 жыл бұрын
My initial thought is that the ironbreakers ought to win that one. They've got less weapon damage and only hit one unit at a time as opposed to the Tree Kin's 3, but they've got a lot more models, more hp, a fair bit more armor (+35), more attack, a lot more melee defense (+20) and more resistance (25 % magic resistance vs 20 % physical on the tree kin). Also there's the blasting charges too. Edit: ran a few tests and the Ironbreakers won very convincingly every time. The 26 melee attack of the Tree Kin have an extraordinarily hard time punching through the 66 melee defense of the Ironbreakers, where the Ironbreakers' 30 melee attack have a much easier time punching through the comparatively modest 46 melee defense of the Tree Kin.
@jaywerner8415
3 жыл бұрын
9:00 I was gonna say "why dryads, arnt the glad guard spears their basic troops?" NM carry on. In campaign at least, if you pick prince sigveld as your starting lord for chaos the chaos marauders do get the rage ability.
@alexd832
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly the miners with blasting charges would have killed everyone... They are also cheaper then dwarf warriors
@OniGanon
3 жыл бұрын
That's a bit like saying Shades with Great Weapons are among the best elite melee infantry because they can beat Swordsmasters after two volleys...
@alexd832
3 жыл бұрын
@@OniGanon but shades are a mainly ranged unit while miners arent
@eusebus42
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexd832 Fact of the day : miners with blasting charges are considered ranged units in tournaments.
@signoguns8501
Жыл бұрын
05:08 "Alright, here's one for all your necrophiliacs- a little corpse on corpse action" Lol 🤣 Genius.
@ROBS098
3 жыл бұрын
Hig elf rangers are low rier higelf.
@darkprotoss19
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Zerk! Have you ever considered doing a BEST comparison without a direct VS match? For example 1. Determining best Calvary/Anti-Infantry Calvary/Shock Cavalry/Monstrous Infantry by having them charge into a common Infantry unit, Ex:Orc Boys, and either cycle charging them or leaving them in melee and then comparing how long they take to route that unit/how much damage they do on charge. 2. Best Anti-Large Cavalry by having them attack a common non-Anti-Large Cavalry/Monstrous Infantry/Single Entity Monster. Ditto for Anti-Large Monstrous Infantry/Anti-Large single entity Monsters. 3. Best Anti-Large infantry by having a common Cavalry Ex: Empire Knights, charge into them, seeing how long they take to route that unit/how much damage they do against it. 4.Best Ranged/Artillery(of various possible tiers) by having a common Infantry Ex: Empire Swordsmen, advance on them and comparing how much damage those units receive before they can engage in melee(Skirmishing off). I think those kinds of contests would be super interesting to watch and rather useful. Great Video as always, best part is you cracking up at your own silly jokes lol.
@Patrick-pg2wz
3 жыл бұрын
Could we have a “who’s the best” for melee lords? I know there are some much stronger than others, but I still think it would be interesting!
@Salderosan99
3 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of RNG in there, which Zerkovich won't account in order to fit a narrative lol (necessary /s)
@Bob-C
3 жыл бұрын
@@Salderosan99 lol what narrative exactly?
@Salderosan99
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bob-C im mostly joking, but in the video "is grimgor the best?" He deliberately ran his test poorly so grimgor always came on top. I went ahead and tested myself the fight against tyrion, on average is a 50/50 which basically comes down to luck. Most of the times it was very close, but the RNG is so bad that in one of them Tyrion fucking steamrolled grimgor without even triggering his regen.
@joshlevin8595
3 жыл бұрын
@@Salderosan99 Yes that was done for comedic effect
@christopherg2347
3 жыл бұрын
Spearmen: The problem with Martial Prowess, is that the ability will stop as they hit 50% HP. It helps them stay aboe half health a bit longer, but after that they loose performance. So unless they could deal a lot of damage above 50% HP, they will invariably looses once they drop below. It is a bit better with buffs of course - Martila Prowess is all about incentivising buff and healing spells. Frenzy: Murderouds Prowess, Waagh, Frenzy. Those are all about staying in the fight for long. The plan is to have enough models left, that the boost can be translated into outkilling the enemy while it lasts. Vanguard Deployment: While all those units are melee so they will end up in melee combat, it does sometimes mater how long it takes them to get there. Waaagh has a plain old cooldown. While Murderous Prowess will also be build by Ranged attacks. So for those abilities, being in the melee quicker does mater to some degree. It gives you more time before the enemy buff kicks in. I have no idea how to model that in those scenarios, but they would be helpfull in practice.
@rubz1390
3 жыл бұрын
High Elf Spearmen used to beat Bleak Swords when the game first came out 3 years ago as far as I recall from my own tests.
@retardcorpsman
3 жыл бұрын
Wait, what? Darn, those elf spear lines are hella staunch then.
@andyfoos
6 ай бұрын
I love seing these videos over and over again. Gotta love Zerkovich trying to make TK skeleton vs VP skeleton sound interesting😹
@jamesonmoore6748
3 жыл бұрын
I was routing for Orc Boys the entire time, but also cynically sure the damned dawi stunties would win. Guess they're not as obnoxiously tanky outside of campaign.
@theelitistdude8697
2 жыл бұрын
"At least he is immune to headshots" Thats gotta be one of my favorite lines when talking about Skeletons 😂😂
@delasvegas9644
3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the clan rats did as well as they did
@datorin2653
3 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't be Skaven are laughably powerful in every aspect of the game.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
3 жыл бұрын
@@datorin2653 Pretty much. That lack of air units or true cavalry is SO punishing amirite? That's what happens when your head of development insists he is not-not Ikit Claw
@Jousef9
3 жыл бұрын
@@datorin2653 yes yes, skaven control corporate
@datorin2653
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jousef9 I mean I've recently been playing a lizard men campaign and Skaven clanrats are able to go toe to toe with saurus warriors. Like what?
@Mancboy2000
3 жыл бұрын
@@datorin2653 Not entirely true, the low leadership really hurts sometimes early on
@jonathanbonicel1654
3 жыл бұрын
I had kind of an idea for units with shields: the problem with them is that they do don't hold the line as much as we would expect them to do so. Their melee defence isn't that great. It would be quite cool if CA changed their stats in function of the quality if the shield: - bronze: +5 melee defence - silver: +8 md - good: +10 md IF they are fighting on the front. Wouldn't apply if they best rear-charged. Or sth like that. It would make them maybe more useful? Idk. Just an idea. The shield for now only increases their missile resistance.
@MarcusVinicius-fc1we
3 жыл бұрын
How about a 'The Strongest Elite Cavalary' in the next? by the way, great video
@sebastiansfat2993
3 жыл бұрын
These are such good videos. Appreciate the massive amounts of work that must be going into them!
@realhumanbeing3599
3 жыл бұрын
Prediction: gor herd :) EDIT: gotdam waagh put my precious goats in the bin why ca why
@liamclifforth7046
3 жыл бұрын
Orc boys are pretty much slower gor herds without vanguard. GS just have a better faction ability overall.
@superstar5042
3 жыл бұрын
Waagh too strong. I think he should test without that buff
@borklazer5907
3 жыл бұрын
@@superstar5042 I mean, I get it, but how often are GS's NOT going to be able to use Waagh?
@emperorcip9756
3 жыл бұрын
WAAAAAAAGH > Chaos
@emperorcip9756
3 жыл бұрын
@@borklazer5907 not too often. Most battles they'll be able to get at least two WAAAAAGHS in. You can't counter that with shock damage because they're tough and don't break that easily.
@AM-cx1ng
3 жыл бұрын
"Corpse on corpse action" 🤣🤣
@CarrotofGreatness
3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a similar comparison of the exact same units vs low tier archers, just to compare thier missile resistance
@DarthRadical
3 жыл бұрын
Dwarf warriors would win if the archers sat there - but lose if they had skirmish turned on.
@gregs3845
3 жыл бұрын
I asked for this and the Zerk delivered. Gotta be happy with that. The surprise for me was Clanrats making the middle 5. I guess we've done low tier infantry and high tier infantry. Is there a middle tier infantry? Saurus warriors, big 'uns. A little bit surprised you didn't go with Dwarf miners for low tier. Dwarves don't have trash tier as such. Miners would still make middle 5 I think. I would also like to request a "whose da best" in a mis-match situation. eg best non-bonus vs large vs large (vs single entity as well as vs cav). Skirmish cav vs heavy cav. Physical damage vs ethereal. Magic damage vs magic resistance. Also maybe a bonus vs bonus comp assessment bonus v large infantry vs bonus v infantry monsters/cav/mounted lords.
@rantymcrant-pants9536
3 жыл бұрын
Orcs Beastmen Dwarves Did not expect that.
@logandaley1544
3 жыл бұрын
I hope that happy skink does well. He looks so pleased to be there.
@thesheeepjd
3 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I noticed the Deckhands are not officially expendable.
@ghorstbusters6238
3 жыл бұрын
I reckon they should be. For sure coast are not overpowered anymore for it to be acceptably implemented.
@liamclifforth7046
3 жыл бұрын
@@ghorstbusters6238 Having the expendable trait on any undead unit is useless. As it only negates LD debuff to things that aren't expendable when the unit is routing.
@perrymeril
3 жыл бұрын
Them dwarves getting smacked so hard by those orcs they actually spin and get disoriented before getting hit again.
@da_BemBem
3 жыл бұрын
I've been saying for years, now, that Gor Herds with Shields are actually really good units.
@KartarNighthawk
3 жыл бұрын
Their biggest problem, in campaign at least, was requiring too high a building tier to get to. In MP though, I totally agree: they give you solid output and vanguard for a not terrible price.
@TheNeilBlack
3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised the orc boyz beat the dwarf warriors. I guess I didn't realize how much work my quarrelers were doing.
@oivametsola7624
3 жыл бұрын
Prediction: Bleakswords due to their solid stats or dwarf warriors with their high armor. Edit spoilers: Forgot about the waaagh. Shite
@NBeaver-bx4yl
3 жыл бұрын
Yeahh puting the whaagh here is kinda unfair. It makes weak unit have ridiculous stats, goblins can be deadly with it.
@oivametsola7624
3 жыл бұрын
@@NBeaver-bx4yl It is really strong yes, but it should be here since it is used in multiplayer. Also if you look at the stat boosts it gives it's not that much better than murderous mastery
@oivametsola7624
3 жыл бұрын
@@NBeaver-bx4yl Oh shit nvm the m mastery gives more missile dmg, not weapon dmg. So not nearly as good as the waagh.
@Wildtrexkid
3 жыл бұрын
@@oivametsola7624 he doesn't allow the miners with blasting charges or ironbreakers to throw their charges as a feature of the unit and something they have in multiplayer; he should not be using the Waagh for the orcs as an active ability that influences the fight if he wont let them throw
@georgebadilla5000
3 жыл бұрын
@@oivametsola7624 but waagh only recharges when your leader is in combat no? In their test waagh poped more than once, and lets be real, in real games the greenskin player is very lucky to have their lord live for a second waagh. So sure let them get a single waagh but no more as these units nor their lord would ever be in good shape by the second waagh if even alive by that point.
@MathiasBOBO
3 жыл бұрын
might be that i missed something, but wouldnt this setup be more fair, if you used the remaining gold to upgrade/give chevrons to the lower cost infantry so it cost as much as the most expensive ones ?
@zharkabat
3 жыл бұрын
Prediction: Orks. They are too op right now, cheap and do a lot of damage
@DarthRadical
3 жыл бұрын
Every faction has a few things that they do a bit better. For greenskins it's their low-tier infantry.
@cedain5863
3 жыл бұрын
@@DarthRadical for greenskins it's everything xD
@user-wm9vi2fc7t
3 жыл бұрын
Expect lords, they legendary lors is too boring
@cedain5863
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-wm9vi2fc7t isn't Grom fucking op? Not quite sure, don't play them
@user-wm9vi2fc7t
3 жыл бұрын
Unlike Ariel, Grim and Orion - like imbalace lords orcs hast our imbalord. And poor pool og school of mages(without any heals or summons)
@willappleton6078
3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to find out which hero unit is best. The general of the empire, thane, Prince...those sort of heroes, the pure martial ones.
@alvarousometon3649
3 жыл бұрын
Beastmen actually placed in high spot? Nice
@riccardocorradini6713
3 жыл бұрын
@vez nan gor herd shield also was almost the most expensive unit among them so does not really prove anithing. BM infantry is not so great infact
@martintieber7756
3 жыл бұрын
Gors are their 'middle tier' unit...ungors would have placed in the bottom 5
@artje90
3 жыл бұрын
mainly cause he chose the 550 gors over the 300 cost ungors... so actually placed BM higher cause they had a higher cost unit then most others. ungors even lose vs the empire swordmen
@toddwittie4421
3 жыл бұрын
Because he chose the Beastmen Mid Tier infantry and placed it against the other factions low tier units or Chaff units like the Skinks.
@alvarousometon3649
3 жыл бұрын
@@toddwittie4421 Gors are only mid tier infantry because CA decided to put them in that category for... whatever reason. I mean if I remember correctly (haven't played TW:W in a while) Greatswords are a tier III unit while Bestigors for some reason are tier IV unit. In tabletop, Gors were pretty much basic beastmen footmen while ungors were chaff or in 6th edition nothing more than a meatshield for Gors (they litellary shared the same unit with Gors and were treated here like trash)
@thegreatskinkpriest8104
21 күн бұрын
IMO it’s Saurus Warriors. I know the LM have skinks which are cheaper but still, it’s the main unit you’ll use for most LM factions and they’re so good. Massive weapon damage and solid melee attack, solid armor and melee defense…literal monsters in the early game.
@TheCrunkjunk
3 жыл бұрын
Man i wanted to see saurus warriors chew stuff up...
@victuz
3 жыл бұрын
Saurus are expensive and they are mid-tier infantry, not low-tier.
@looper7159
3 жыл бұрын
@@victuz they are literally available at the very start of the game bro
@bluntlyhonest6803
3 жыл бұрын
It is actually pretty odd that the high elves don't have a swordsman counterpart to the bleakswords. Its not like high elves don't use sword and shield, just look at the 'prince' lord.
@homichael8753
3 жыл бұрын
well they have rangers now, not exactly bleaksword but they are there as low tier anti infantry
@bluntlyhonest6803
3 жыл бұрын
@@homichael8753 aren't they more similar to the black arc corsairs? They just trade armor for Physical resist.
@Audentior_Ito
3 жыл бұрын
Aren't Bret Men-at-Arms still classified as "expendable?"
@liamclifforth7046
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Are clan rats expendable as well? Or is that just the skaven slaves?
@fendelphi
3 жыл бұрын
@@liamclifforth7046 Clanrats and Pirate Deckhand Mob are "meatshield", so are technically not intended to do a lot of damage, but tarpitting enemies so that such enemies dont deal damage to more important units. To be honest, I am not sure of the exact rules he applies here.
@liamclifforth7046
3 жыл бұрын
@@fendelphi Expandable is a trait that makes units without the expandable trait not take LD debuffs from routing expandables. So layering a GS front line with gobbos between orcs help to mitigate LD loss from routing friendlies. LD debuff still applies to other units that count as expanable though.
@liamclifforth7046
3 жыл бұрын
@@fendelphi Also, clanrats are not expandable. Which is both good and bad, as they don't care about slaves routing; but affect other units when they rout.
@fendelphi
3 жыл бұрын
@@liamclifforth7046 I know. The point is, both Expendable and Meatshield(it is a tag) units are "tarpits" or sacrificial units, because their job is to get in there and hold up the enemy. You dont count on them to kill stuff. A unit that is both Meatshield and Expendable will have the least negative impact on your army(they are supposed to take a heavy beating, and if they route, they wont impact morale on non-expendable units). The confusion is, this list was supposed to be of units that were not just chaff, but actually have some decent damage output(hence no skaven slaves, peasent mobs or zombies), but we still get units that are in a similar category/with the same tags.
@Darkwolfe73
3 жыл бұрын
Corpse on corpse action... can I say that??" lol. Between that, the presentation, the work and everything else - that's a sub from me right there. Thank you for your work!
@EdgeOfEnding
3 жыл бұрын
Next video, best chaff! Like time how long they can hold a certain unit :D
@tomrock7019
3 жыл бұрын
GREAT video idea mate !!! Also thanks for some love for the necrophiliacs :)
@dark0hannibal
3 жыл бұрын
WHEN 'DA BOSS SAYS WE ARE 'DA BEST, WE ARE.
@jamieict
3 жыл бұрын
Might have been worth adding Gobbos to this comparison as their Waaagh surely places them higher than their cost would suggest -- wouldn't surprise me if they're a match for Bleakswords, although I suspect Murderous Prowess would win out in the end. Ungor Herd would probably rank around Bretonnia levels, though I understand this would be harder to test on account of them having Stalk.
@JL-ti3us
3 жыл бұрын
Kinda feel some of these were imbalanced choices, like saurus for LM probably should have been there as well.
@sd501st5
3 жыл бұрын
@@JL-ti3us Saurus Infantry would easily smash all of these, even the Ork Boyz. Saurus Spears might lose to Boyz, but... even with this mismatch, it would be a close call.
@garrapto3009
3 жыл бұрын
I guess Saurus Warriors can't be considered low tier xD
@jf9866
3 жыл бұрын
Im impressed by Bretonnia Men at Arms and Disappointment in the High Elven Spearmen. The Orcs however i expected and thought the Dwarfs would be number 2.
@Raptor14v
3 жыл бұрын
interesting that you went skinks and not saurus warriors
@rubz1390
3 жыл бұрын
Saurus aren't low tier.
@amphitheremajesticon4928
3 жыл бұрын
@@rubz1390 but they are. you can get unshielded ones at tier 2. they cost like 500-550 in custom too
@drphil8281
3 жыл бұрын
@@amphitheremajesticon4928 that’s what I was thinking. Very weird that he used Skinks for Lizardmen but then not Skavenslaves for the Skaven. I know Skavenslaves are expendable but given how cheap the Skinks are I’d argue they have very similar roles, plus Saurus Warriors are really not that much more expensive. They’re also the unit you get from a Tier 1 Barracks in campaign, just like the Empire’s Swordsmen. Saurus are still low tier infantry.
@rubz1390
3 жыл бұрын
@@amphitheremajesticon4928 Isn't it 650 in custom, if I recall correctly? That would be pushing it too far. Besides I think Zerk was trying to go for the best low tier infantry each faction has in the range of 300-500 gold, that is not a throwaway expendable tarpit unit like Skavenslaves,Peasants or zombies. That's the only reason why I can't think of why he picked HE Spearmen over rangers, since rangers cost 550 like Gor Herd. I also think that Gor Herd without shields might potentially have done better in this test, as there are no missiles to block, as such the extra cost is somewhat wasted.
@processing4426
3 жыл бұрын
@@rubz1390 Wrong. Unshielded Saurus are actually Tier 1, but I wouldn't classify them as low-tier - in that case, you would need to replace marauders with Chaos warriors (tier 2 unit) and remove Gor herd (tier 3 unit for some reason).
@Jstall311
3 жыл бұрын
Great job on this! Informative and presented well, fun to watch!
@duypham-nt1mp
3 жыл бұрын
before video: dwarf warrior, high elves spear man and saurus warrior , they hold pretty well for low tier infantry
@Yoshi3977
3 жыл бұрын
Sad Saurus not even in the lineup
@Parra_Parra
3 жыл бұрын
Saurus warriors aren't low-tier infantry
@duypham-nt1mp
3 жыл бұрын
@@Parra_Parra yeah, i was surprise about that but in fact they cost pretty much for being low-tier infantry
@toddwittie4421
3 жыл бұрын
Saurus Warriors aren't low tier infantry? They're available from turn 1 in the Tier 1 recruitment building that all Lizardmen factions start with even Tehenhauin. Cult of Sotek has to demolish the Saurus recruitment in order to build the Skink recruitment building.
@toddwittie4421
3 жыл бұрын
@@Parra_Parra Saurus Warriors are Tier 1 infantry. Gor Herds aren't available until Tier 3.
@DangerBaer
3 жыл бұрын
It would be neat to have the stat cards up in the corner while they fight so I, the casual viewer, have a reference of weapon skill and such. Good job on this!
@dientimuri3956
3 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw you'd picked the skinks to embarrass the Lizardmen, I knew they were the very bottom of the barrel. They should have been considered the same tier as the expendable, near-worthless units. I've never used any skink infantry units, they just aren't worth it.
@albrokencapote560
3 жыл бұрын
The reason why the Spearmen of the High Elves struggled is because this unit lost the martial prowess early in the fight due to the charge bonus of the opponent units and their charge defense does not count cause is only available for the large foes. So is totally normal for them to lose in front of Empire Swordsman for example, even if they cost more. Spearmen cost 100 more than Swordsman but this difference is their Charge Defense vs Large and their martial prowess, but both of them got countered. So if we put away these features then they might cost 400 like Swordsman and of course in a fight between an assault unit and an anti-large unit of the same cost the assault unit is gonna win.
@Inquisitor_Redacted
3 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly kind of shocked bleakswords made it that high. That murderous prowess propped them up quite a bit.
@darthplagueis13
3 жыл бұрын
That and the fact they've really just got very good base stats.
@EcchiRevenge
Жыл бұрын
Spearman will probably punch above their weight when in Eltharion's army, he's got massive bonus to melee defense...etc.
@vcount6676
3 жыл бұрын
can't wait for the best chariots
@mermeoth7178
3 жыл бұрын
I want to see 1vs1 monsters
@cedain5863
3 жыл бұрын
@@mermeoth7178 he already did that
@vcount6676
3 жыл бұрын
@@mermeoth7178 well maybe you should watch the videos zerk already posted becase SEM were done already
@mermeoth7178
3 жыл бұрын
@@vcount6676 @Cedain Oh I missed that one. Good to know I can watch what I wish right now :D
@TheManofthecross
3 жыл бұрын
state troopers are formidable all around and they hold on nicely fitting for the empire of man and they live up to holding well here.
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