Troi goes to Ten-forward to consult with her Guinancologist.
@ralphyo6285
6 жыл бұрын
Full points for that one.. Hahahaahhahaahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@icwiz
6 жыл бұрын
Nice! Hahahah!!
@AndyHoward
5 жыл бұрын
I spit my tea at the monitor and nearly choked to death from laughter
@pastychomper4939
5 жыл бұрын
That was terrible. Well done.
@carlathompson9308
4 жыл бұрын
;0
@Helbore
7 жыл бұрын
I love how Guinan doesn't sugar coat the truth. She does it here to Troi, sating that she's dead on that it won't be easy and that other big one I remember was when he did it to Wesley when he said he'd never feel love like his first love again. Guinan just says, "you're right." No messing about - and even when the conversation goes further and she says how love is always different and Wesley responds saying how that doesn't make him feel better, Guinan just says, "its not meant to." She just said everything exactly how it was. Heck, her reaction in The Best of Both Worlds to Picard lamenting over "is this the end of our civilisation," was "well some of you might make it, so they'll never completely defeat you." It was hardly inspirational, but she told you how even the shittiest outcome was still not totally devoid of hope. Realism and optimism mixed in appropriate quantity, was Guinan. An underrated character in the larger Trek continuity.
@AkaiAzul
3 жыл бұрын
Aye. She's an optimistic realist. A rare breed indeed!
@sandal_thong8631
Жыл бұрын
I still like watching Guinan's scenes, such as this one.
@Endisupertramp
6 жыл бұрын
The best counselor in all of Star Fleet, and Deanna Troi is there too.
@ivanjursdotter
5 жыл бұрын
she was dumb as hell she could not even help data with his jokes
@leif1075
3 жыл бұрын
@@ivanjursdotter what episode was that with the jokes?
@katherinkeegan8601
3 жыл бұрын
@@leif1075 I don't remember the title, but in one episode Data decided to improve his humor subroutine. He created a hologram program with a standup comedian to help with his jokes.
@ReaverLordTonus
3 жыл бұрын
Guinan is more qualified as a counselor, she has a level of experience and wisdom that allows her to be able to relate to and connect with people. her position as a bartender allows her to create an informal setting for people seeking guidance to open up to her without feeling like they have to, a form of unintentional therapy as it were. She doesn't approach people telling them that they have a problem, she lets them figure it out for themselves and only then does she give advice on how to deal with it, she can be blunt when she needs to, but can also be sympathetic.
@trekgirl65
Жыл бұрын
Guinan's people are listeners. Many humans are that also. Listening is all part of being able to give advice.
@mikevandervegt
Жыл бұрын
she is from the past.. stay with the story.. Djeez..
@mikevandervegt
Жыл бұрын
kids these days..
@ccirish4519
Жыл бұрын
No she isn't. She is just a good listener
@Miss_Myth
4 жыл бұрын
As brilliant as the scenes between Picard and Guinan are, I would've loved to see more of these two. They have a fascinating dynamic, and to see a gifted but relatively young counselor get some mentoring from someone as impressive and established as Guinan would've... made things interesting. 😁
@daniels7907
9 жыл бұрын
Troi was the victim of bad writing right from the beginning. The problem is that many episodes are driven by mysteries, and those mysteries are things she should by all rights be able to solve very easily. Unlike Vulcans for example, she does not need to touch somebody physically to touch their minds. But what was really bizarre was the importance attached to her abilities in the show, yet we never see her practicing or training them in any way. Her mother Lwaxana actually lectured her about this early in the series, in a conversation that let slip the fact that Deanna *can* actually read minds, but has deliberately allowed her powers to atrophy because she finds it confusing how humans say and think different things at the same time. Yet even after this episode, she doesn't seem to appreciate her abilities enough to train them more.
@ShadowCandleElias
9 жыл бұрын
Troi can read the pins of other telepaths, not everyone. It's because she's half human.
@daniels7907
9 жыл бұрын
Elias To repeat: Review the episode "Haven", and the argument that Deanna has with her mother. Lwaxana flat-out states that Deanna has "allowed your mental powers to rust". Deanna does *not* deny it! Instead she contends that it's easier for her to not be able to read human minds because they don't think the same things that they say out loud. Being half-human is only a partial limiting factor. Spock was half-human/half-Vulcan, yet his ability to perform the mind meld was very advanced. But we saw him meditating frequently and he was very rigorous in pursuing Vulcan mental disciplines. We *never* see any similar behavior from Deanna. In fact, we never see any evidence that she practices her abilities beyond ad hoc usage of them. She is even combative with her mother over the use of telepathy to communicate in the presence of non-telepaths ("Menage-a-Troi"), despite the fact that it is the Betazoid's native "language". In fact, in one episode Deanna comments that her maternal grandfather was a "traditionalist" who rarely spoke out loud, arguing that it was "for off-worlders and people who didn't know any better". In many ways, her character seemed to have an odd self-hatred in that, while she identified as a Betazoid rather than a human, she was obsessed with conforming to human sensibilities.
@HunterBidenCocaineBag
9 жыл бұрын
***** Why anyone, other than Data, would play poker with an empath (even a half-human one) is beyond me.
@daniels7907
9 жыл бұрын
Joe Momma Probably because she sucks so badly at using her abilities that she can't tell if someone is happy because their beverage tastes good or they have a winning hand!
@erentheca
9 жыл бұрын
+Daniel S That is the most insightful analysis of Troi I have ever read. I think you are spot on correct, the character had some interesting concepts behind her, but the writers sabotaged her.
@Arthirias
8 жыл бұрын
Out counseling the councilor. Must be a major pet peeve they have.
@jonothandoeser
4 жыл бұрын
Lol! Right?
@troydavis705
3 жыл бұрын
I did that to my councilor, he didn't see me for long.
@Jeriun
3 жыл бұрын
@@troydavis705 #doubt
@Rekaert
6 жыл бұрын
Loved it when Whoopi came into Star Trek. The only gripe I had was they explained a little too much of her character. She worked better as an enigma.
@MMuraseofSandvich
Жыл бұрын
"It's not just about letting people cry on your shoulder." Not with the writers Marina got until late season 5 when the production finally let her wear a uniform instead of a "take the whole thing off if you need to pee" suit.
@doct0rnic
Жыл бұрын
The episode that revealed Troi thought she was better than all the humans on the shift
@TheRetroWoman80
Жыл бұрын
Precisely. Riker put fire under her butt over that.
@feelx92ger
5 жыл бұрын
Saying "those skills only develop after years of experience" to a at least 500 year old being is a bit ironic in that moment. :)
@coronalight77
4 жыл бұрын
She was referring to herself
@kjellringstrom6217
3 жыл бұрын
I´m curious about why humans always draw the shortest straw when it comes to lifespan in sci fi. Humanoid aliens almost always live until they are 300 years or more. I can´t recall any movie or tv show with any humanoid aliens that die of old age when they are like 30. :/
@andrewtang6318
3 жыл бұрын
@@kjellringstrom6217 Star Trek Voyagers Kes’ race The Ocampa only live to around 9 years old.
@selinesbeau
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtang6318 Imagine the development of their brains in the first couple years of life.
@junbh2
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was ironic, it was the point. Troi is very young and she doesn't have confidence she has enough experience to do the job without her empathetic abilities. And Guinan is saying partly that she has more than she realises, and partly that she can learn.
@MondoBeno
6 жыл бұрын
Guinan reminds me of the Rabbi from the story It Could Be Worse by Isaac Bashevis Singer. The Rabbi listens forever, but when he finally speaks, the few words he says have a major impact. It's like the Native Americans used to say, listen as much as you can, don't speak unless you have to.
@123RADIOactive
8 жыл бұрын
I would love to have Guinan as my counselor.
@viewfromthehighchair9391
4 жыл бұрын
I loved both of these characters so much!!
@Pineconepicker1
3 жыл бұрын
Guinan literally has 100's of years of experience.
@englishruraldoggynerd
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve just realised how good Guinan’s hats would look on black women today. Utterly unique and totally functional.
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
Why black women in particular?
@pacificharbourkiddo2094
2 жыл бұрын
@@PR--un4ub because of the AFRO
@ghostrider-be9ek
Жыл бұрын
@@pacificharbourkiddo2094 not all black people have afros
@TigerTzu
4 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, one of the few scenes between the ship's counselor and Deanna Troi.
@Lurker1979
7 жыл бұрын
Makes me wish Whoope would have done more drama. Instead of comedy.
@TheSithLord
6 жыл бұрын
Lurker1979 she’s done a ton of dramas. Google my friend.
@QuarrellaDeVil
5 жыл бұрын
You really need to see "The Color Purple" if you haven't already done so. The woman is an amazing actress.
@r0bw00d
4 жыл бұрын
Comedians only do drama when they feel like slacking off while at work.
@Fif0l
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSithLord NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! SHE SHOULD DO MORE!!!!!
@plainbagel9192
5 жыл бұрын
Basically Guinan is saying to Troy , i'm better then you and I can replace you in a snap
@RideAcrossTheRiver
Жыл бұрын
It was great when Riker said out loud what was on everyone's mind about Troi: "oh, look, the richest girl in the school just 'chooses' to be student council president"
@forestkaatprescott8429
11 жыл бұрын
Yes, they acted great together. Wonder if Marina & Whoopi stayed in touch.
@erintilley5244
5 жыл бұрын
This was a time when Whoopie Goldberg was pretty much in everything
@IronMan-tk8uc
4 жыл бұрын
The 90s was her decade (just as Jim Carrey, Will Smith and Mel Gibson).
@freakyforrest9
4 жыл бұрын
This wasn't a Comedy, but DAMN did she nail this role the times she was on-screen.
@calebgarrett214
4 жыл бұрын
Now shes the nagging one on the view, wasnt she susposed to move to Canada when trump one
@darellgrant8753
4 жыл бұрын
@@calebgarrett214 u mean won? Wow...
@calebgarrett214
4 жыл бұрын
@@darellgrant8753 your surprised someone doesnt proofread? Bixby isnt the Greatest that dictating a Southern accent
@thefuppits
4 жыл бұрын
Troy, once again, attending Guinan school.
@RasikRajguru
2 ай бұрын
Deanna's best scene. Is the when she's gets sloshed trying to ascertain James Cromwell name, Later passes out in front of Riker. as the guy who invented warp drive.
@geoffreyforbes2910
4 жыл бұрын
"Have I give you any indication that I might not be serious?" "For one thing, that hat. No one's taking you serious in that hat."
@SeanKula
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@jeffreybetancourt86
4 жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Forbes umm... it’s fashion from the future. You just have no taste 😜
@topnotchtn4538
4 жыл бұрын
They both look amazing in this clip.
@derekhiemforth
2 жыл бұрын
Whoopi Goldberg is just such a great actress...
@Perktube1
7 жыл бұрын
I keep expecting to see a pan pizza on Guinan's hat.
@raeriques
7 жыл бұрын
Perktube1 lol
@EuroMIX2
3 жыл бұрын
I always expected her to balance drinks on it.
@Perririri
2 жыл бұрын
Cheesus Crust, that's funny
@betotrono
7 жыл бұрын
Damn Whoopi Goldberg has great teeth.
@jpaulc441
5 жыл бұрын
but no eyebrows...
@Nerval-kg9sm
5 жыл бұрын
@doctorwho0077 No, they're called veneers.
@SamOrthodoxy
3 жыл бұрын
Most random comment award goes to...
@AustralianLeprechaun
10 жыл бұрын
Guinan is so wise!
@jamesfry8983
7 жыл бұрын
well she is getting for 800 years old i think
@julieabraham3566
7 жыл бұрын
Like Yoda!
@clem8475
7 жыл бұрын
She looks so much better than Yoda. :)
@epicstyle1000
7 жыл бұрын
“When nine hundred years old you reach, look as good, you will not, hmmmm?
@ti994apc
6 жыл бұрын
In real life, she is such a racist.
@TheDopedemon69
9 жыл бұрын
I loved Guinan
@Tigerman1138
6 жыл бұрын
TheDopedemon69 I loved her, she is a great character.
@raymondweaver8526
3 жыл бұрын
Hate Whoopie's politics but enjoy her as an actress
@a2ndopynyn
3 жыл бұрын
@@raymondweaver8526 Exactly.
@BobbyDamiano
11 жыл бұрын
This was my favorite episode of the series 4th Season! I loved the interaction between these two.
@Spock4771
3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the cage when the doctor talked to pike after offering a drink and he says some times a man will tell his bartender things he’ll never tell his doctor I assume this is taken from that only the reverse sometimes a person will tell his or her bartender something they would never tell there counselor
@MrPicklerwoof
4 жыл бұрын
The thing that really bugged me about this episode was that no one suggested her loss of powers could be a temporary thing related to the 2D gloopy space junk. Despite everyone knowing it happened exactly the same moment this gloopy stuff got hold of the ship, it didn't occur to anyone to put two and two together and suggest her powers would probably come back once the gloopy stuff was gone again. So we went through this huge upheaval of her resignation, despair and histrionics all because everyone assumed it was permanent. One of the more poorly plotted episodes in the whole series in my opinion; it's as if the characters of Picard, Riker and Co all had their IQ's reduced by half at the same time as Troi's loss of powers.
@r0bw00d
4 жыл бұрын
It's as bad as that one "Will Cmdr. Riker leave the _Enterprise_ to captain his own ship?" episode. You can't have episodes like this on a show that maintains the status quo because we all know how those episodes are going to end.
@clementlee2121
6 жыл бұрын
When the counsellor needs counselling...
@danmarsh7985
4 жыл бұрын
It does happen
@katherinkeegan8601
3 жыл бұрын
I read something about how every councilor, shrink, etc.. in real life has a professional colleague to keep them balanced, so they can keep giving balanced advice to their patients. I don't know how accurate that is, but it does make sense.
@PaulN91
3 жыл бұрын
@@katherinkeegan8601 Every therapist *should* have their own therapist and most therapists in training will be in personal therapy themselves. They participate in their personal therapy just like anyone else. They also have a supervisor that acts as oversight for their work and helps them stay balanced in their work. Not all therapists are in therapy themselves and not all therapists have a supervisor, but frankly they should be and most are.
@Tarotlynx
8 ай бұрын
The scene was the first time I understood the "I see what you're doing' concept.
@leopold7562
6 жыл бұрын
Troi telling Guinan that intuition and instinct come from years of experience. Does Troi realise who she's talking to? Guinan was, what, 700 or so years old? I'm only guessing now, but I'd say she was at least 20 times more experienced if it was purely down to time.
@SonarTheBat
5 жыл бұрын
And she relied on her empathic abilities.
@jdb2002
4 жыл бұрын
She lived in the time of Mark Twain
@r0bw00d
4 жыл бұрын
She wasn't talking about Guinan there.
@davidmcaninch4714
3 жыл бұрын
If Guinan from Star Trek: TNG, Yoda from Star Wars, Jiraiya from Naruto, and Uncle Iroh got together!!!!!! Let’s just think about how awesome that would be.
@vapingfury4460
3 жыл бұрын
it would be very similar characters all hanging out with no one to guide
@shiz777
4 жыл бұрын
Guinan is trolling Troi
@kaidenshepard8446
3 жыл бұрын
Guinan would be a better counsellor, but I think would have spoilt the mystery of her character had she been the ships counsellor, and making her appearances less as fabulous, when she did, you felt her wisdom and guidance, she didnt need empathic abilitis (not that we know she doesnt but doesnt reveal them) to help someone, heck she wasnt afraid to go to the captains ready room or quarters to make sure that he was doing the right thing. Guinan is a true gem for TNG
@noitallmanaz
3 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, I always thought that Guinan was the batter counselor...
@seanwebb605
Жыл бұрын
Why would anyone counsel batter?
@HaggyGT
3 жыл бұрын
Back when TV shows had good writing.
@andrewlanglois6362
Жыл бұрын
2:16 Guinan comes from a race of extremely good listeners.
@lofthouse23
6 жыл бұрын
Reverse Psychology at its finest. That is how I got through life.
@sarahberkner
Жыл бұрын
This was kind of a good episode even though I bet people didn't like it. I find the whole thing interesting because humans are often able to tell what people are feeling by looking at their facial expressions or body language or reading the room, which is what makes her seem like Captain Obvious since she would have very little idea what subtle hints others are picking up (kind of like the opposite of Data). But that wasn't the main reason she made a good ship's counselor (in a few scenes), and she had to do other things in her job besides reading emotions. Anyway about this episode when she lost her ability she was actually worse off than others except for Data, which shows that humans are really the ones with the superpower to pick up on what someone's feeling.
@MalcolmCooks
5 жыл бұрын
who counsels the counsellor? the bartender of course then who counsels the bartender? *she does that too*
@jessejauregui
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent clip
@puffthemagiclepton7534
4 ай бұрын
I'd take Guinen 100%. I really wish the Picard series would have given us the Picard Guinen backstory.
@TheExao
5 жыл бұрын
Great scene, minor pet peeve is how Guinan ends with: "Human intuition and instinct are not always right... but, they do make life interesting!" The last part "but they do make life interesting" is just a random statement and doesn't speak to her original point at all. She was trying to convince Troi that perhaps only using human intuition will be good enough to still do her job, not whether it can be interesting! "...are not always right, but they *do* have value, and I think you may find they're more useful than you might think." ... or something, could've worked, no?
@spencerarnot
4 жыл бұрын
@Vauth I think that this final comment was more intended to goad rather than convince. Guinan intuited that she would need to offer Troi more than just the assurance that she maintained the necessary competency to keep her role. She obviously did. That would not likely be enough incentive to change her current stance though. This new intuitive and instinctual approach could however offer a perceptual thrill and challenge that Troi might not be too familiar with - that of “interesting” experiences that Guinan seductively dangles before her. This would be her “reward” should she continue along this path as a counselor. It was offered up as a prize and one that Guinan hinted was worth it.
@seanwebb605
5 жыл бұрын
In Classic Star Treak McCoy played chief medical officer and bartender. In The Next Generation they decided they needed a bartender, counsellor and plutonic friend.
@seanwebb605
Жыл бұрын
Okay in Picard we learned that the captain boinked his plutonic friend and had a child.
@rebekahwillison8936
7 жыл бұрын
she was like grandma willow on Pocahontas
@mc-zy7ju
3 жыл бұрын
Realizes "omg have i been stating the obvious on the bridge this whole time?"
@fiftystate1388
2 жыл бұрын
Same uniform but with a cheerleader skirt pulled on would have been fit her character better.
@chrispeplinski7306
5 жыл бұрын
Guinan felt like the other ships counselor.
@woodwyrm
Жыл бұрын
To think what we've lost, saddens me deeply.
@jasonbean7296
7 жыл бұрын
"so I'm discovering..":)
@LarryPanozzo
7 жыл бұрын
Guinan and Diana Scene
@nigefal
2 жыл бұрын
Troi had no hat that was the difference.
@stuglenn1112
3 жыл бұрын
Troi and Guinan you don't get anymore useless than that. Their nicknames were Do Little and Do Less.
@neuvocastezero1838
11 ай бұрын
Does Troi know how old Guinean is?
@CountArtha
6 жыл бұрын
When I first watched this episode, I thought Troi was a total bitch for pitying herself after losing something that everyone else has to live without. . . . . Then I realized that's exactly the point of the episode, because people with disabilities probably get that feeling all the damn time.
@suchanhachan
4 жыл бұрын
CountArtha I don't think it was pitying herself so much as mourning the loss of something so intimate and meaningful to her...
@Tantalus010
4 жыл бұрын
To a regular human, what Troi experienced in this episode was basically like suddenly going deaf or blind. It's losing a part of you.
@szahmad2416
4 жыл бұрын
Someone please remove Whooping from the View and replace her with Guinan.
@kennyryan625
2 жыл бұрын
Which one is the best Counsellor in this scene?
@hefito3d527
7 жыл бұрын
gail bireline also sent me this with a message to me from her
@piiloaki7564
9 жыл бұрын
Troi loses her ability when the writing becomes so bad that no one feels anything, must be horrific for an empath to feel that no one is feeling anything but the waiting for a better script.
@SonarTheBat
5 жыл бұрын
Trio: you'd make a good counsellor. Guinan: I know, I'm going to take your job. Trio: bitch, WHAT?
@A_crash_test_dummy
11 жыл бұрын
So nice
@Mark73
2 жыл бұрын
She could mention the years of psychology training.
@ltfringr
Жыл бұрын
0:54 On a massive starship there's only one counselor? How does that make sense
@seanwebb605
Жыл бұрын
Jewish people weren't introduced onto the show until later. Gentiles are far less demanding of their time.
@danclark1348
4 жыл бұрын
Shame she's not as effective on that show " The View".
@geoffreyforbes2227
3 жыл бұрын
I think she is. Whenever I see how the View cast act, I immediately feel much better about myself. :-)
@GuberShep
2 жыл бұрын
uhh... you mean Troi and Guinan?
@illmaticnewyorker3426
2 жыл бұрын
Tiktok brought me here 🥲
@katekocich8986
9 жыл бұрын
I love this episode!
@saymyname8925
3 жыл бұрын
I sense tea
@theforestero
11 жыл бұрын
it better not be simple.
@robertroberts5627
5 жыл бұрын
It's to bad Whoopie doesn't use this kind of logic on the View
@Henry-kz4gn
3 жыл бұрын
When you have a cushy job and dont want to lose it.
@fiftystate1388
2 жыл бұрын
0:01 Troi contemplating working on her back.
@hefito3d527
7 жыл бұрын
and info on doomsday scenario with the ufos
@TheRetroWoman80
10 ай бұрын
Hindsight is 20/20, could Deanna losing her powers be viewed as symbolism for mentall illness episodes and what it looks like for some people before and after proper treatment? Also, symbolizing the acceptance/denial of said illnesses?
@Xerclipse
4 жыл бұрын
"People cant talk about things they want to reveal" Well you're doing that now.
@r0bw00d
3 жыл бұрын
That's not what she said.
@lordwinton
3 жыл бұрын
The real counselor vs Deanna
@josephlenehan4461
2 жыл бұрын
Jos and Toady 😀 TV
@Studio-907
11 жыл бұрын
Fuckin amazing
@DJB1PlanetFunksville
4 жыл бұрын
this is what it looks like when a counselor is counciled by her counselor i may have spelled that wrong but f it lol
@chrispeplinski7306
4 жыл бұрын
Love guinan wisdom.
@KuDastardly
2 жыл бұрын
When she loses her powers and every part of her Betazed side, that's when... Dee Troi become human.
@shieldmaidenarreh4265
3 жыл бұрын
Who is Troi talking too? Guinan is like 900 years old and Troi is talking to her like shes 15.
@tren380
Жыл бұрын
Too bad Guinan is crazy today…
@barrythechopper
7 жыл бұрын
Troi was very annoying in this ep. She loses her emphatic abilities true but I think Riker was right. She uses her powers to feel superior to others because it gives her an edge. Even though she does use her abilities to help council crew members we see what shes really like when they are taken away for what...2 maybe 3 days? The blind woman? Really Troi...
@sing4theLordJesus
7 жыл бұрын
She did act like a complete and total !@#$%^&*. I would've liked to have seen it where she had to go for a week or more without her abilities, to really help her learn more about her human side. I feel she DOES have some pride too and she needs some humble pie.
@FrauIndian
6 жыл бұрын
Really Troi? She lost one of her senses. How would you act if you suddenly lost your sense of smell or eyesight. Just because Humans (or at least 99.9) are not telepathic (perhaaps there a few) does not takw away the fact that being empathic is a sense. It is just not one most Humans have.
@shauntempley9757
5 жыл бұрын
@@FrauIndian Except her empathic abilities are a massive part of her existence. It would have been really difficult to learn her abilities fully, especially if you fail your training at any point, you would most likely die or go insane from the damage. Like what would have happened to Xavier at any point of his learning. Risking complete mental annihilation to learn them. Successfully learning the abilities in spite of the risks gives one a massive ego. Xavier has that ego and Troi does too. But that is eclipsed by the fact that they love life and will fight for it, and remember the risks both took.
@GuineaPigEveryday
2 жыл бұрын
You know it would've been nice if the writer's had spent a little more time developing Troi's character, she comes off as bratty and ill-tempered and hypocritical, but thats because of how the writer's treated her. To be fair it was the 80s but it's funny how Guinan is written like a calm, rational and intelligent person, partly because the character didn't have to be attractive or anything. I think the writer's delved into stereotype way too much with Troi and Beverly. I mean that Scottish ghost episode? Talk about degrading and stereotype.
@ClericOfPholtus
Жыл бұрын
Lmao Troi acting like she's such hot shit when you van summarize her most common role in the show to be the one who says "Captain I detect bad vibes"
@vaiosan775
7 жыл бұрын
The episode where I hated, at least for this episode, Deana Troi for her bad behavior that showed.
@Amphitera
7 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that she was written so very badly. They could have done so much more with her than just having her around as eyecandy. Especially as Marina Sirtis is actually awesome.
@thebuckrogers22
4 жыл бұрын
Troi acted like a brat, getting pissed at everyone
@ciaranclark5314
3 жыл бұрын
"You're trying to make me see I have other abilities to draw on; human intuition, instincts... a fucking Psychology degree??" I always hated this episode. Literally not one character mentions to Deanna including her CO that she might be qualified because she holds a degree in Psychology!? It's so sexist.
@jeffreyscott4997
3 жыл бұрын
Uh, wouldn't it be more racist than sexist? That her abilities as a councilor came from her being an empath, and not from learning? Isn't the whole point of this scene that Guinan is the one person on the ship who sees that's what everybody is thinking but not saying, including Troi, and she's here doing something about that? Isn't the whole subtext of this episode that, despite what you the viewer might think, you should see Troi as more than just her racial abilities? That she is female doesn't really play into this episode at all, but her race is what it is all about.
@ciaranclark5314
3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyscott4997 everything about how they wrote Deanna Troi had a sexist subtext but I take your point that it's about racism too. Seeing Deanna as more than her natural gifts is definitely supposed to be the subtext of the episode yes. And the line Riker gives about her powers being aristocratic still resonates. But not one single person in the episode mentions her psychology degree, the fact that she is a qualified psychologist is why she should be a psychologist. The premise is so dated and it IS rooted in sexism. No other character would ever have a storyline about whether they're qualified to do their own job. And the anti-Deanna hate in the fandom bears this out. There are literal 45 minute videos on why Guinan is a better counsellor than counsellor Troi. Ultimately the episode fails to address even the inherent racism. The message ultimately proposed for solving her dilemma is that she embrace her other genetically endowed traits, her human half, and not her years of training and hard work and you know DEGREE in psychology
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