All rounds are built for a specific purpose. 300blk wasn't made for hunting elk. 300blk shines in self defense and suppression.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Yes that's the point I was making.
@theflyingwelshman5338
Жыл бұрын
350 legend plenty effective in those areas, too.
@joshrandall3632
Жыл бұрын
The Legend does everything the BO does, but significantly better.
@BartoniusAustinius
Жыл бұрын
@@joshrandall3632 no. 350 out of an 8 inch barrel is a goddamn fireball with a sonic boom
@joshrandall3632
Жыл бұрын
@@BartoniusAustinius So is the BO and every other round this size.
@couchwarrior2449
3 ай бұрын
7.62x39 Legend works just great for me!!!
@poorsoutdoors3595
Жыл бұрын
The reason 300 blackout has so much hype is because of it's versatility and the subsonics it offers.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Versatile how ??
@tannersires9734
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based the cartridge was made for short barrels so you can shoot a 300blk out of a 9in barrel and have 1800fps. The heavy subsonic loads are good for suppressors. The badger is a good example of this. Small light weight hard hitting short barrel and suppressed rifle for close quarter combat.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
That doesn't describe any versatility though. 243 is a versatile cartridge load a 55gr bullet and it's a great flat shooting varmint round, load a 95gr bullets and you have a deer round. The 300blk at 1800fps give you about the same power of a 30 carbine and a 230gr subsonic that power of a 45cap. In conclusion 300blk is one of the weakest rifle cartridge out there.
@SouthernShodan
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based The 243 and the 30 carbine were not designed to fire out of the AR15 platform from the ground up. He means it is versatile in that the 300 blk will cycle in an AR15 just fine with subsonics and with a mag change you are able to shoot supers all while cycling a 9-11 inch bbl AR15.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Just because it can handle a wide range of bullets weights doesn't mean it's versatile 😂. I'm talking about versatility of use. You're probably not going to varmint hunt with 300blk but you might deer hunt with it though. On the other hand you probably would do both with a 243. And that is versatility. As far as versatility in a ar15 350legend is more versatile then 300blk. I can load a 90 grain bullet and get it going about 3000 fps and the I could load a 230gr bullets and it would be subsonic. you can't do the same with 300blk I tried you physically can't got enough powder in the case to get those speeds.
@capitalistwire
Жыл бұрын
100% agreed. 350 is a 35 caliber, in an ar15 platform, with 556 recoil. I kill over 100 hogs a year with this rifle - it’s a hammer and ammo is decently cheap.
@ilcerchio7210
Жыл бұрын
They are not compareble because they Simply have different jobs
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
That's my point 300whiper/300blk was never intended as a hunting. however some people think it's the best even when there are much better options out there.
@chanmoua
Жыл бұрын
I don't think they are saying it's the best, because I hunt deer with 300blk but that's because I don't hunt past 100 yards so anything within 100 yards is dead and on top of that it's also a great home defense gun, and it's a great suppressor host. Where ad 350 is good for hunting and can be used for home defense but me personally I think about over penetration. That's just me and I'm not saying it's right but that's how I see it. I might switch to 3t0 legend only because they are at Walmart and readily available lol.
@joshrandall3632
Жыл бұрын
They are comparable. The Legend does everything the BO does, but better.
@karlirosek
Жыл бұрын
@@chanmouathose hornadys expand well i like federal fusions too
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
@@Keifsanderson 350legend does just as good out of an SBR as 300blk. They both use the same fast burning powder, except 350legend has something called powder which 300blk doesn't.
@TheTISEOMan
4 ай бұрын
I feel .350 legend is going to be one of those cartridges that people find out is actually a great universal cartridge and it expands outside of it's original placement as a straight necked hunting cartridge and then a shit load of self-defense loads come out
@lumpyzx2645
Ай бұрын
I wanted to hate 350 legend so bad but it's awesome
@aarow6346
Ай бұрын
@@lumpyzx2645why did you want to hate it? I live in a straight walled cartidge state so i got one to deer hunt with and slowing but surely started realizing how great it actually is
@lumpyzx2645
Ай бұрын
@@aarow6346 because in my eyes it was a glorified 357 magnum that isn't very good from pistol length barrels, but once I used it a bit as well as did research I really began to like it. I also viewed it as an anemic 35 remington, and I already viewed the 35 remington as an anemic 35 Whelen. Again, after actually using it I came to find that it really packs a wallop, and despite taking proprietary magazines, in an AR platform I can actually see a lot of uses for it, and with the only difference being barrel and mags that's pretty cool. I really don't like the proprietary mags thing but the reason why is obvious, and I can accept that. The 350 legend I've used is a ruger American ranch, it came with a 5rd mag (c products duramag iirc) and it was shockingly heavy empty. I then made it higher capacity by modifying the spring and removing about 2 30rd mags worth of extra spring that was in there for who knows why. I've also seen what it can do on ballistic gel and was utterly perplexed. It's definitely a solid performer and I'm glad I gave it a chance and seen that. Also I am suddenly feeling the urge to build a 350 legend AR. Edit: I don't live in a straight wall state, I normally hunt with a .243, and those straight wall laws are dumb but the 350 legend does definitely have an advantage for people in that predicament as well.
@TheTexasViking
Жыл бұрын
You are crazy in love with that 350 Legend! Don't get me wrong it is an incredibly awesome cartridge and very versatile. And I love the fact that you load with 9 mm bullets in the casing. A Legend with a Legend!
@A_Smart_Donkey
Жыл бұрын
300blk is really just the USA's revamping of 7.62x39. I love it and 350 legend because you can use the standard BCG and can use the same mags (you should buy ones for each anyways for peace of mind) but I have a PMAG adapted to 350 and I love it. I just can't get behind things like 450 bushmaster (I love shooting it) or 6.8 SPC because you may not be able to get the parts to service them 10 years from now when the fads die down. I know its usually just the bolt you need to swap out but you will never find those just laying around
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
All you need for a 350legend is a barrel and a magazine the BCG Is the same
@ryantogo8359
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based yeah...that's what he said
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
@Ryan Togo lol you're right I must have miss read that🤣
@atonsungod
Жыл бұрын
I disagree with that. 300 B0 is a cqb round. It's comparable to 9mm and 45 acp utility. But, 9mm and 45 acp don't match a 30 caliber in a rifle round with near pistol length firearms. That was the point. 7.62x39 is a mid range small arms round. 300 BO has poor penetration as it should. No one is on the battlefield in Ukraine with 300 BO.
@A_Smart_Donkey
Жыл бұрын
They are not happy that they are using AKMs and 7.62x39. They steal Russian equipment immediately if they aren't already kitted out with our tax dollars. The cartridge firing from the AK is not doing them any favors past 250 yards. Non of these rounds would be efficient if Russia was giving their guys Level 4 plates but lucky for the Ukraine some of the Russian conscripts are being given basically airsoft gear to fight with.
@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
Жыл бұрын
With 300blk's better ballistic coefficient, you can stretch it out a bit further with a little less drop, esp when shooting super's. That's where it'll shine. I think what sells 300blk to most folks is the versatility it has with higher BC projectiles. A lotta ppl wanna squeeze that extra distance out of the cartridge. Otherwise 350 would have the advantage across the board. Bullet drop is one place where 300 will take the edge. Energies out to further distances may be pretty similar, however the blk out will do it while bucking the wind better & it'll get there with less drop. I like 350 a lot, it's a great cartridge. I also like 300blk a lot. I've seen guys get pretty funky loading specifically for bolt guns & single shots in 300blk. "Full Lead Taco" has some awesome videos showcasing his wildly unconventional 300blk loads. You should check em out if you haven't already seen them.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I do agree that the 300blk has less drope and you make some great points. I do love 300blk I just don't think it's the hammer of Thor that some people make it out to be especially when its compared to 450 bushmaster or 350 legend. Also thanks for letting me know about "full lead taco" weird hand loads are always cool.
@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based Oh absolutely, I totally agree. The 300 is crazy overrated. 350 is awesome & it's only getting better as more ppl push the boundaries of the cartridges capabilities. I know "AP2020 outdoors" has a great video of some BRUTAL 280gr, subsonic, 350legend loads. Freaking amazing performance from the 350. The projectiles are a game changer for sure.
@millermanhal
Жыл бұрын
If you hunt 200yards or less...where I live in Maine usually 100yards give or take is the usual. Both work great but if you try both. You will see the .350legend just is more effective at terminal damage. If I wanted to go past 200 yards I would use 6.5grendel,6.5creedmoor ,270 etc. But the most important hunting metric is how good you can shoot whatever you use. I seen plenty of people drop deer with .223 and handguns using .357magnum out to 100yards. Practice, practice, practice. Hit the vitals with a good quality bullet and a deer won't know the difference. Just opinion and may be wrong.
@mikebeddingfield2144
Жыл бұрын
I would rather have a 300 blk loaded with sub's hunting hogs. It will do the job and the hogs don't hear it so the group doesn't scatter
@raxmo162
Жыл бұрын
350 legend is an amazing round and if loaded with a 9mm projectile it's 115 gran and moving right around 3000 fps
@ColdbloodedBoutique
9 ай бұрын
Closer to 4000 fps with the 9mm projectile.
@stay_based
9 ай бұрын
@Backcountryfatty93 I'm actually the first person to develop that load
@ColdbloodedBoutique
9 ай бұрын
@@stay_based there’s several videos on here that show just under 4000 fps. So it can be done.
@DriveCarToBar
7 ай бұрын
300blk is a niche cartridge. It was made to fit a 30 cal projectile in existing STANAG magazines and to use high BC bullets. The whole thing is built around suppression from short barrels. It's pretty damn good in that role. Of course, the 350 Legend is better. You can get bigger, heavier bullets in the 350 Legend. The extra case capacity makes it a no-brainer. Subsonics are becoming more available each year and it's a damn good deer cartridge, with effectively the same terminal performance out to 300m as the old .30-30. 350 Legend gives you 30-30 performance from an AR platform. It also acts as a rimless .357 Maximum at shorter ranges, which has real implications for military usage. Right now, I'm imagining a bullpup 350 Legend with a 8-10" barrel, suppressed and the whole thing delivers 357 Magnum +P+++ terminal ballistics while being very quiet and shorter than any submachinegun on the market.
@skullgen9124
11 сағат бұрын
keep in mind 350 legend is also straight walled so its state specific for hunting as well. not to mention you dont have to deal with a neck down when reloading. 350 legend is 100% better than 300 blk. 300blk is just more commonly available to find which is why people like it so much. i suppress my 300 blk quite a bit and its fun to shoot but its not near as quiet as everyone is made to believe even with subs
@bayoujaeger6299
21 күн бұрын
Love the subsonic 350 legend ammo. Its quiter than a 22 without suppressors
@LU-D1GITAL
9 ай бұрын
.458 socom is the best ar15 cartridge
@firesnake6556
Жыл бұрын
The 350 Legend is designed to be a straight sidewall deer round. Most states require straightwall cartridges to legally hunt with. This is why the 350 legend was invented. The 300 blackout was a joint military venture meant to be fired with a suppressor at 2AM in pitch dark times while using night vision and this is not for deer hunting at all. Its a specialty self defense or military round. You should also know that case volume is very limited on the 300 blackout. The higher energy and higher velocity rounds are 125 grains and 110 grains or less. The reason being, The larger bullets when seated into the brass case take up more room and leave less room for gunpowder. The smaller bullets sit very shallow into the brass and leave a lot more room for gunpowder. If you shoot a 300 blackout full power and not subsonic, stick to 125gr or less. You will see dramatic improved results. 2400 FPS is possible that way. A 165gr is inherently a terrible round to load in this caliber because of the powder charge being reduced so much.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I'm talking primarily about hunting. A Ford Mustang can pull a trailer, but there's better tools for the job. Also, you happen to be wrong about the creation of 300 blackouts. It was developed by J D Jones, and it was called the 300 whisper. AAC stole the design and called it 300 blackouts.
@firesnake6556
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based I was active duty in Iraq and Afghanistan at the time of its development. You have bits and pieces of the information as it were maybe you just read wikipedia and not as much "involved" in the process. People who are firearms manufacturers are very usually intimately involved with the Military troops. If a special need for a firearm comes around, most of those companies are quick to develop a solution to help the troops in need. Thats just how it is. more than 20 years ago, Our military had evolved to have nice night vision technology and had integrated it into troops, tanks and even aircraft. This night vision technology let us move around at night in total darkness as if it were day, and we could carry out operations undercover of darkness while most of our enemies slept we were completing missions. At the time, Hadji had no such equivilent technology. That gave us a strong advantage, and a weakness. We could move at night, but if we had to engage someone somewhere, we all knew wake everyone up for miles around us and our cover would be blown. The system was not quite perfected. Back then, we had subsonic suppressed weapons. mostly 9mm but its range and penetration were very questionable if you tried to shoot beyond pistol range. The accuracy of a 9mm was also bad. We were handloading 308s in the service to subsonic velocities at the time. It was sufficient, but proved to be a little all over the place on accuracy based on the firearm it was used in. Anywhere from 6inch groups at 100 meters and if you were unlucky, 2 foot groups at 100 meters sometimes were the result. We would experiment with it enough to have a decent weapon that would shoot our handloads straight enough to allow for us to take full advantage of the dark; that is, to not only see in the dark, and move thru the darkness but to schwack important targets in the night without waking anyone else up. What I am saying is, We created the demand for such a round to be made. J D Jones was not the only one involved in the process. Wilson tactical also got in on it amongst many other developers. Before it was over with, we had new weapons, new night sights on them and boxes of Hornady 208 gr ammo out in the field. (Yes, it was 300 whisper back then. appropriately named for its job.) Thats how it works kid. Strange how new ammo and tactics are invented every time we spend time in a land war don't ya think? One day you will understand that relationship.
@firesnake6556
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based On a side note, if you want deer hunting, you are right the 300 blackout is not a good round for that job specifically. I agree. My point is you are indeed talking about apples and oranges. One is a purpose built deer round, the other is not. But you have to also understand the 350 legend that was literally made straightwall for deer hunting in states with restrictions on cartridge use. While the 300 blackout has a special relationship with suppressors. (If you dont have a suppressor, you dont need a 300 blackout weapon.) In all honesty, as a lifelong avid shooter, I would recommend you lay down the AR15 for hunting. Go get yourself a Weatherby or Bergara or something like that. AR15s are semi automatic civilian legal copies of military issue firearms. They were never designed from the get go to be deer rifles by any stretch of the imagination. The AR15 itself is a lightweight aluminum frame that only fires an intermediate power cartridge. Go buy a real deer rifle in 7mm Mag or something worth hunting with. The full power cartridge is where you need to be. You are talking about the cartridge, the real issue is the weapon you are using is all wrong.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I understand that this is an apple to oranges comparison, but oranges don't make good apple juice. Also, it pretty well found that AAC stole the concept of the 300 whisper to make the 300 blackout. The main difference is that the parent case of the 300 whisper was the .221 fireball.
@firesnake6556
Жыл бұрын
Check out the New 400 Legend. Maybe you can do a review on it. 400 Legend features and benefits: • energy equivalent to 450 Bushmaster with 20 percent less recoil • over 20 percent more energy than a .30-30 and 25 percent more energy than the 350 Legend, with greater penetration • 100 percent more energy than a 12-gauge slug at 100 Yards • 55 percent less recoil than a 12-gauge slug
@Brian10962001
9 ай бұрын
Being straight wall it’s easier to reload, they really need to switch over to the 1/10 twist on these barrels now that the really heavy subsonics are coming out. 300 whisper will always be the king of cheap component construction. I’ve been curious if .357 max (straightened out 5.56 case with a .355 bullet) will run in the 350 legend chamber.
@phillipbalagna7265
9 ай бұрын
.300 blackout was intended for use with a suppressor
@dannyo6699
8 ай бұрын
300 blk is a great round within its intended use. Yes, it can take a deer, White Tail or Mule deer, inside of 200 yards using the right ammo, in and around the 110-grain bullet size. I built a carbine 300 blk with a 16-inch barrel for that purpose. Outside of that, it's intended to be a special purpose round for shorter-range distances, for room clearing and special forces and law enforcement applications as well as self-defense. The 300 HAMR was designed to be a hunting round, and that's probably the better comparison to the 350 Legend.
@tonkatank045
Жыл бұрын
I bought a 300 blk when they came out with the intention of using it on close range whitetail. After having it a week I felt the cartridge wasn't up to my standard and then I bought a 350 legend. The 350 legend is a superior hunting cartridge.
@BigDmike24
Жыл бұрын
I have no problem with 300 black for white tail deer.. works great. Wouldn't try it on elk.
@chrissewell1608
Жыл бұрын
@@BigDmike24I would, but within 100 yards. Just like a 350 legend!
@RealHankShill
Жыл бұрын
.300 blk was specifically made to be a subsonic suppressed round out of an ar15 and using 5.56 brass. Its designed purpose is to push the heaviest projectile possible NO faster than 1100 fps. So you have to compare apples to apples. If your muzzle velocity is capped, projectile weight and BC are the only remaining factors.
@michaelhansen6977
Ай бұрын
Interesting how you completely misrepresent this comparison. The .309 blackout is meant to be a silenced round strong enough for those tasks. The 350 Legend is just a normal hunting round.
@Whiskey__Jackk
Ай бұрын
How many elk have you taken and why wouldn't the 300 BLK work within say 100-150 yards?
@chrissewell1608
Жыл бұрын
Its not over rated. 300 Blackout was made for the US Military. Short range combat, with highly devastating results. Its intended range is within 100 yards. Max. about 300 yards. The 350 Legend was designed as huntimg cartridge. Its intended effective range is about 100 yards, with a maximum at about 300 yards. Both shoot heavy bullets, that drop like rocks after 100 yards. Both have intended special uses! And when used, as designed, both rock!
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
300 Blackout wasn't made for the military. JD Jones made the 300 whisper as a target round, AAC stole the cartridge. The only reason there was no lawsuit is because it's notoriously hard to clame a cartridge as intellectual property.
@dsrrecordsent
10 ай бұрын
Ya see .300AAC/BLK has a better ballistic coefficient than say .350 legend! It is a spitzer style round vs a blunt/round/pistol type round! A true rifle/carbine round! The benefits of the better BC and spitzer rounds are accuracy, precision, range, ability to retain power, penetration and much more reliable feeding than a straight walled cartridge like .350Legend! The .300AAC/BLK gives you 30 rounds standard in a .556 magazine vs 26 of .350Legend! The .300ACC/BLK uses a standard .556 platform but uses a .30Cal projectile with full munition capacity in standard magazines with the ability to deliver over 1,400 ft/lbs of energy in a 16” configuration which .556 cannot do! It is for all intensive purposes one of the lightest .30Caliber “Battle” rifle platforms! It can be supersonic or subsonic with munition ranging from 78gr to 300gr! It can be outfitted with barrels from 5” to 20” losing no magazine capacity but gaining a wider selection of ammunition, a bigger caliber and the ability to use flash hiders, muzzle devices and suppressors if needed! (The most diverseAR platform in my opinion) It can deliver more energy with a larger pill in a 16” configuration than .556 while being lighter than an AR10, more accurate&reliable than .350legend with more ammo capacity and delivering more energy than 7.62x39 at 100 yards due to a better BC! .300AAC/BLK is military and war proven by the US military as a 21st century battle rifle and civilians gain all the benefits and advancements of military technology from billions of dollars of research and technology/.350 legend does not have this! These are all of the subtle nuances that make the .300AAC/BLK the amazing and proven round that it is👍 (.300BLK is the product of military advancement, testing and necessity where as .350legend is the product of arbitrary laws and statues for hunting in states that require a straight wall cartridge! Two different animals all together)🧠✅ ----------------------- Once you go black you don’t go back😉👍
@chrissewell1608
7 ай бұрын
@@dsrrecordsent Wow. You really split the atom, there. I just bet on the full house. I like them all. Each for there unique abilities. 😊
@PineyJustice
3 ай бұрын
@@dsrrecordsent Wrong, energy doesn't matter very much, you need energy dump to be an effective cartridge, which 300 blech is not. You get higher energy dump with a larger diameter or with more velocity, both of which the 300 blech lacks. The 350 legend is a 5.56 case blown out straight, it wasn't "designed for hunting laws" infact I drew up a very similar cartridge as the ultimate cqb ar cartridge 17 years ago but never had the resources to make it happen.
@dsrrecordsent
3 ай бұрын
You sound dumb stop it -✋🛑
@coolsly64
23 күн бұрын
This is proof that some people don't understand ballistics and why certain caliber rounds are made the way they are 300 blk was designed to simply be a nearly truly quite round for special operations deployments where stealth is key.... Now to kill a human effectively you do not need fast moving rounds you just just need a round to dump enough kinetic energy into the target which is why slower rounds can do more damage like shot gun rounds do so much damage... Because of the kinetic energy dump of the slow moving rounds....
@stay_based
23 күн бұрын
Go watch Garand Thumbs last video on 300blk. 223 runs circles around 300blk when it comes to dumping energy into a target. Secondly 300blk was originally developed by JD Jones as a cool subsonic target shooting round (300 whisper). The fud logic you are using is backwards. Heavy slow rounds transfer less energy than a fast light round. Foot-pounds don't matter if all the round does is poke a hole and go straight through. The way you're talk about ballistics makes me think you've never shot anything that was living.
@markmtbrider
9 ай бұрын
For an AR platform , I wonder how the 350 legend , and the Ruger SFAR 308 in 16" stack up?
@Rabiddonky
3 ай бұрын
This is my current conundrum I want an ar platform for so cal mule deer. Haha. Can’t decide on 300blk. 350 legend or just going sfar. Haha
@heathenprojects2639
3 ай бұрын
@Rabiddonky I feel ya in this one I'm a lefty so the 308 is an easy upper to get I want to get into an ar10 I use a 243 for doe left handed Tikka but like to try new caliber for buck last year was a 6.5cm was not overly impressed with it
@gkhin1990
2 ай бұрын
Here in Ohio, you can only hunt with straight walled cartridges. Either way, I'd still choose the 350 legend over the 300 BO.
@dannyprovolone1608
Жыл бұрын
Check out the 300 hamr its been my go to since wilson anounced it, blus the new speer bullet for it, smashes deer. Its a blackout but definitely gain 2-400fps. My 16in carbon 6 is a tackdriver
@dannyprovolone1608
Жыл бұрын
I love my 350 as well cant beat a speergdhp or hornady 147gr xtp
@warrenreed6702
Жыл бұрын
Considering 300blk was stolen from 300 whisper which was designed for shooting subsonic, would expect a supersonic round to get more velocity.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I would agree with you the only reason people push 300blk/300 whisper so fast it to emulate 7.62x39 in a AR15 and even then they can never get it going much faster then 2200 fps
@StyxxxxRiver
7 ай бұрын
Fps/Velocity does not mean kill efficiency. Energy/impact does
@handlesaredumb1
8 ай бұрын
300blk has loadings from 90gr to 240gr, that is why it's so liked. Very few other cartridges have that large of a spread.
@GTfromAG
8 ай бұрын
300 blackout is amazing in 110g
@garretthorsch8143
Жыл бұрын
I agree my dude. The reason this conversation has come up in the context of hunting is because a lot pf states (mine included) have finally allowed some for of rifles in the straightwall category. Our best choices before were slug guns using fully rifled barrels and scopes. I grew up using a remington 870 with a fully rifled barrel swap out and a 3x9. Using modern slugs like a Hornady SST. I was one of the fortunate ones too. Most people had to deal with a smooth bore and a rifled choke. No scope. Modern muzzle loaders were available too along with pistols and a modern muzzle loader is definitely capable but put all 3 of those up vs a real rifle and there is no comparison. Even straightwalls which we all know aren’t shit vs a 270, 338, 308, etc. BUT they are still extremely capable rifles. 350 legend much like the new Remington buck hammer was designed specifically for hunting where as 300BLK was more of a self defense round
@scottbradley7631
Ай бұрын
Pretty sure the 350 Legend was developed for hunting. The 300 AAC Blackout was developed to be a suppressed CQB round. Apples and oranges...
@lancelamoon6743
Жыл бұрын
My wife and daughter have killed quite a few deer with the 300 Blackout and I have dropped I don’t know how many hogs in their tracks with it very effective cartridge. Neither cartridge should be used on a animal like a elk anyways. I also have a 350 Legend as well. I prefer the 300 still not saying I don’t like the 350 I do.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I'm not really saying it shouldn't be used for hunting I'm just saying that some people seem to think it on the same level as 30-30 or 308 which it not. And that there are better rounds for hunting in the ar15. And yes I've tried to hand load 300blk to mimic 30-30 and there isn't enough room for powder in that case.
@levidotson6610
9 ай бұрын
The problem with .350 legend is magazine comparability. 350 legend need specific magazines while .300 blk just uses standard ar mags
@Shamus3
Жыл бұрын
But can you build a 350 legend with spare parts, same bolt, magazine, etc. only using a different barrel than an ar-15? How well does it suppress?
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
The only thing you need to change is the barrel and the magazine however you can modify magpul magazine to work with it. And I have not suppressed this cartridge personally but I have seen it done and it mimics 9x39
@Shamus3
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based So it's just a barrel swap? I may have to give it a try.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Yes but if you are going to do a build I would still suggest getting the property 350 legend magazines they work better then a modified magpul magazine.
@cymaticsmoke7658
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based I recommend cmmg mags for the 350 they run beautifully in mine
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I agree I've had good luck with cmmg but I haven't had good luck with cmmg's 20 round magazine.
@kyle18934
10 ай бұрын
i really wish the 6.5 grendel became more popular. its great for distance that case size.
@stay_based
10 ай бұрын
same here, but 6.5 Grendel has some problems.
@kyle18934
10 ай бұрын
@stay_based problems? what type of problems? I'm genuinely curious, I like them because I have one, but I'm not a die hard fan
@stay_based
10 ай бұрын
@kyle18934 finicky gassing issues, especially when suppressed and a weak bolt. The AR-15 bolt was never intended for such a large case diameter, so it makes the bolt prown to failure.
@kyle18934
10 ай бұрын
@stay_based ah, yeah I understand that. do you think it would do better in an ak platform?
@stay_based
10 ай бұрын
@kyle18934 The bolt would definitely be stronger, but I'm not sure if it would fix the other issues.
@adamadams6740
10 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the .350 legend,I have two uppers for it now,I’m still waiting on my can for them but I’ve got my dad experimenting with heavy weight bullets and lower powder charges for some good reliable sub loads!! Can’t wait!!!! Also I got to shoot a 289lb hog in Texas with the 16 inch .350 AR and it absolutely smokes them.
@GT-ev3om
Жыл бұрын
The Wilson combat 300 Ham'r vs 350 legend will be a lot more fair comparison the ham'r uses the same parent case as 300 blackouts
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't have any experience with 300 ham'r but after looking at the load data for it it seem pretty similar to 350legend except for the 300 ham'r only go's up to a 150 grain bullets and of course the diameter difference.
@pjbiggleswerth8903
Жыл бұрын
Bc has left the convo
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
How many people have you know that actually put 300blk high BC to work? That and none of the high BC bullets for the 300blk are good for hunting.
@jacobackley502
2 ай бұрын
@@stay_based there are some loads to make major with 300blk that push 168gr bullets at some 2100 fps. You have to load to the full 2.26” though, which only some magazines will accommodate. Those rounds hold expansion velocity out to some 500yds, WAY further out than most would be comfortable taking deer at (in terms of trajectory at least).
@murraypeacock9316
11 ай бұрын
Best hog caliber in the AR platform is the 458 Socom.
@mtdusmc9437
Ай бұрын
Nope. 450 Bushmaster.
@VariantOutdoors
3 ай бұрын
yet you havent seen someone take a alligator with a 22 round genius you is
@jam5287
11 күн бұрын
300 black out was designed to be shot suppressed.. it’s not a hunting cartridge.
@heathenprojects2639
3 ай бұрын
I use a 243 for doe session have for over 20 years every year i try my luck for buck with a new caliber last year i look at a 300 blackout but in my area was hard to find much 2 weeks before opening i ended up buying a 6.5cm was not impressed with it for buck in rutt but in feb of these year used it for hog hunting really great round for it buddy bought a 350 legend its a toss up not sure what caliber i want to try out this year i just know it will be in a ar10 platform
@mattandrews8528
Жыл бұрын
The .300blk isn’t overhyped, it’s just misunderstood. It’s basically a more powerful “pistol” round because of its pistol powder in the cartridge. It was made for short barrels and to possibly be subsonic. The 110gr Vmax is a great deer round within and around 100yds because it has good penetration even once the cartridge drops from 2300fps and even drops 1k fps. For elk if you’re within 100yds it’ll work, there’s some places where thick woods keep the shot at about archery ranges instead of shooting across a valley. Different situations for different rounds. I follow this rule of thumb, up to and around 100yds go .300blk, past that up to 4-500yds use a .308, if you plan to go past that just go with a .300 Win Mag. Easy. The .350 legend has NOTHING on the .308 and is ONLY the better choice in states that force you to use such a straight cased round such as the .350 Legend. Since I don’t have to use it I’ll pass on it, but I see the incredible use for where it has to be shot because of stupid gun laws that make absolutely no sense.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the stupid laws however I must point out a logical inconsistency, you said. "It’s basically a more powerful “pistol” round because of its pistol powder in the cartridge." By that logic, I could say the same thing about 350legend as both cartages use the same powders, secondly, the 350 legend is far more versatile than the 300blk as I can load a 90gr bullet and get it going about 3000pfs and then I could load a 250gr bullet and it would be subsonic. The only instance 300blk is comparable to a pistol round is with a 220gr bullet going subsonic as it closely matches 45acp. You would get a lot more power out of the 350legend as a 170gr bullet goes about 2300fps and which is the same speed as a 110gr bullet out of 300blk hopefully you can see the point I'm making. One last, not you said " possibly be subsonic" you should have said primarily subsonic as the 300 whisper which the 300blk is a rip-off of was designed only for subsonic use by J. D. Jones.
@dsrrecordsent
10 ай бұрын
Ya see .300AAC/BLK has a better ballistic coefficient than say .350 legend! It is a spitzer style round vs a blunt/round/pistol type round! A true rifle/carbine round! The benefits of the better BC and spitzer rounds are accuracy, precision, range, ability to retain power, penetration and much more reliable feeding than a straight walled cartridge like .350Legend! The .300AAC/BLK gives you 30 rounds standard in a .556 magazine vs 26 of .350Legend! The .300ACC/BLK uses a standard .556 platform but uses a .30Cal projectile with full munition capacity in standard magazines with the ability to deliver over 1,400 ft/lbs of energy in a 16” configuration which .556 cannot do! It is for all intensive purposes one of the lightest .30Caliber “Battle” rifle platforms! It can be supersonic or subsonic with munition ranging from 78gr to 300gr! It can be outfitted with barrels from 5” to 20” losing no magazine capacity but gaining a wider selection of ammunition, a bigger caliber and the ability to use flash hiders, muzzle devices and suppressors if needed! (The most diverseAR platform in my opinion) It can deliver more energy with a larger pill in a 16” configuration than .556 while being lighter than an AR10, more accurate&reliable than .350legend with more ammo capacity and delivering more energy than 7.62x39 at 100 yards due to a better BC! .300AAC/BLK is military and war proven by the US military as a 21st century battle rifle and civilians gain all the benefits and advancements of military technology from billions of dollars of research and technology/.350 legend does not have this! These are all of the subtle nuances that make the .300AAC/BLK the amazing and proven round that it is👍 (.300BLK is the product of military advancement, testing and necessity where as .350legend is the product of arbitrary laws and statues for hunting in states that require a straight wall cartridge! Two different animals all together)🧠✅ ----------------------- Once you go black you don’t go back😉👍
@blackhawk7r221
9 ай бұрын
Yea, .357 Supermagnum is pretty badass.
@stephenembrey883
Жыл бұрын
You're comparing apples and oranges, made for two distinctly very different purposes. I had to 300 was a joke until I finally understood what made it radical is the very high tech bullets available for it, and the ability to make it almost dead silent. The 350 legend is just another pig and deer cartridge.
@caleb-gt7pf
Жыл бұрын
At long range it's still a monster with hollow points
@Support4GunRights
Жыл бұрын
The .300 blkout won't damage the meat, and has enough energy needed
@richwood8650
Жыл бұрын
Ok. Instead of giving you my opinion, I will ask you a question. If all shots are within 40 yards. Like bow range. Shot placement is good. What will this not take. This is my hunting platform. Never would I shoot anything past 50 yards. What are the ballistics at that range? Does it meet your criteria for a decent round for hunting? Low recoil is important to me. You see, I am disabled due to back injury. The platform is lightweight. Also key. How much better is 350 legend for me?
@RideForLifeCR250R
Жыл бұрын
I recall an episode of Red jacket firearms where Joe built a 300 blackout and the owner made a 308 they put them on a turret on some buggy and at not very long a distance the 300 blackout wouldn't even set off tannerite they had to pull out the 308 and shoot it so it would explode.. 300bo is weak
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Ok so the 350legend is hitting with so much force that I have literally measured a 4 inch wound cavity this is do to the hydrostatic shockand the fact that lungs are not alastic. Compare this with 300blk which hardly has enough energy to create hydrostatic shock. In summary 350legend will leave a hole bigger then the expanded bullets diameter and 300blk will do the same but to a much lesser extent do to the overall lower energy
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
That's because 300blk even with the best loads is only going 2300 fps tannerite needs at least 2200 fps to work so if you pick the wrong ammo or you're more the a 100 yards out it will not work.
@anthonymurphy2540
Жыл бұрын
What barrel length r we comparing. My BO is an 8 inch barrel! Thats where BO shines😊
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
You do know 350 Legend does just as good out of a short barrel because it uses the same powders as 300blk.
@timmygunz7103
2 ай бұрын
I guess if you want to poach deer in the middle of the night without being heard this is the round…
@fuexiong88
9 ай бұрын
300blk was made for sbr in cqb when going from house to house, subsonic rounds with suppressor. Tell me you've never served without telling me you've never served.
@stay_based
9 ай бұрын
300blk was originally 300 Whisper and was developed by J D Jones and was a target round for use with a suppressor. AAC stole the concept and changed the design in order to skirt around intellectual property laws and market it to the military. Tell me you don't do research without telling me you didn't do research.
@sssrrr6223
Жыл бұрын
Bro inhaled that taco. Almost died for that wiper taco 🤣🤣
@timsanders1017
Ай бұрын
Elk have been killed with a .22 Magnum, it’s all about shot placement. The 350 Legend over penetrate with little to no expansion
@jacobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
9 ай бұрын
I mean yeah, I have a 300blk and the only scenario I’d use it in is one where you need a gun quieter than a pellet gun.
@Rick_Sanchez_C137_
Ай бұрын
Read title, clicked on video, hit pause, came to comments….. Answer: because it’s a bigger bullet moving faster. End of story, answered your title.
@Hayden49
9 ай бұрын
"why 20mm is better than 10mm. its twice the millimeter!"
@Indarow
2 ай бұрын
300 blackout can take deer. I would never use it for elk. But hunting isn’t what it was designed for, so it’s a moo point. 350 legend *was* specifically designed for hunting. (Though I still wouldn’t try for an elk with it)
@davidjohn6411
9 ай бұрын
For taking elk, i think id swing for the 8.6 sub but i would like something a bit more available when something happens so 308 in case i need to scavenge.
@michaelprobasco9883
2 ай бұрын
In Michigan it's illegal to shoot deer with anything under 350 legend. Completely illegal to use 300 black..,.
@Jrh-rp7np
15 күн бұрын
You got that right and wrong,, In the southern portion of the state the old shotgun zone you can you have to use .35 caliber or larger in straight walled cartridges with a minimum case length of 1.16 inches and no greater than 1.80 inches.. in the northern rifle zone you can use anything but a .22 caliber or smaller
@RobertSmith-ub6tk
9 ай бұрын
350 legend, I like using the 180 grain bullets
@caleb-gt7pf
Жыл бұрын
I love the 224 it's fast flat and at close range it's a monster
@themoose66
10 ай бұрын
6.5 creedmore is suuuuper hyped up
@stay_based
9 ай бұрын
Not really.
@joeyburrell3759
7 ай бұрын
Yes a 300blk out would absolutely kill an elk. But you’d need to be in closer distances which isn’t easily done.
@DrDuckMD
11 ай бұрын
300blk was intended to be suppressed and still be able to be loaded in pmags. In order to understand the purpose of the 300blk you have to understand why it was created. It’s meant to fire subsonic rounds while being suppressed. Subsonic is easier to suppress than supersonic.
@mike-yv9nt
11 ай бұрын
.300blk is awesome because it's made from recycled 556 NATO cases and 7.62 NATO bullets. No special mags or cases or bullets.
@NELLY-jg2rx
Жыл бұрын
My man, it's about BC and terminal ballistics, same weight in 30 cal and 35 cal means the 350 is going to have a lower BC and deflect much more Velocity does help but if it is dropping and deflecting because of poor BC the smaller same weight projectile is going to retain more energy Also straight wall can have reliability issues in the AR platform as well They are both great cartridges but not as clear cut and dry as you make it out to be
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Ones designed for hunting and the other is designed to gp subsonic
@shanep6528
Жыл бұрын
I rather my 350 Legend for hunting. my 300bo is only for home defense
@preacherbiggin
Жыл бұрын
Id rather use the legend for self defense UNLESS you're trying to defeat a threat with armor
@AJM357
9 ай бұрын
300 blackout was designed for subsonic Use. It’s for the guy who wants 9mm suppressed sound but still wants rifle caliber impact. So no it’s not “overhyped”
@stay_based
9 ай бұрын
300blk was also originally 300 Whisper and was designed by J D Jones as a target round.
@cymaticsmoke7658
Жыл бұрын
I have a 16" 350 legend in the AR platform(side charging)with a geissele ssae trigger and I love it awesome round!!!!!!
@chrissewell1608
Жыл бұрын
Cool. What is your comfortable, effective range?
@tylerd8516
9 ай бұрын
Agree. 300 blackout is almost useless
@jasondelo4354
9 ай бұрын
Would you be willing to test that theory with your body?
@handlesaredumb1
8 ай бұрын
350 legend isn't recommended for elk either. It is possible but only with a very specific load and under 150yds. Different rounds are for different things. If they weren't, then we'd only have one clear choice for everything.
@thegungooch639
9 ай бұрын
I use 300 blackout Hornady 110gr CX for deer and have had nothing but success out to 125yds. It's not over hyped just misunderstood. It's my go to cartridge for everything really.
@lindboknifeandtool
10 ай бұрын
We know indigenous people from Alaska that take moose and musk ox with .22 And the laws about not being able to take even deer with .223 is nuts to me
@defender119gonow5
Жыл бұрын
300 blk is expensive as well
@matthewgower
9 ай бұрын
No one’s using 300 blk to drop an elk bud
@stay_based
9 ай бұрын
Lol that's the point I was making
@WildEdits08
Жыл бұрын
300 blackout is self defense, I’d only use a 300. Blackout if I was hunting quietly. Even then it’d be useless. 303. or 30-06 in my opinion are the best for hunting
@solanuskc4303
10 ай бұрын
Fudd lore doesn’t make it overrated, if that’s of the argument, then many things are overrated. I disagree, I think .300blk is approximately rated. That rating being, a round that performs better in the shorter rifles that many AR owners like to use, relative to 5.56. And it uses the same bolt and mags as 5.56. I’m on my way to go hunt deer with it right now. Everything has a “philosophy of use” Hollow point ammo is overrated for those who don’t conceal carry, and only plan on shooting at targets
@linkbond08
11 ай бұрын
You can take an elk with 300blk just like you can take most things with a 22lr if you aim for the head. So when people say "you can take "x" with it" I'm sure you can, is it appropriate and humane?
@user-ny8nw8yl3u
Жыл бұрын
I took a cougar with three shots from a .22,dropped at about five feet from me.RDR2 is quite a game ! Lol
@back-woods
Жыл бұрын
I don't like the 300blkout, i much prefer the 7.62x39 or 350 legend in general but of your going for whitetail why not go with the 450bm? You get about the same range with alot more power
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I've shot both, and I like both. The main thing I don't like about the 450bm is price and recoil. With the 350legend, the recoil is low enough that if I need a second shot, I could easily take it. I've only once needed a second shot. So if I'm it only takes one shot with the 350legend that tells me that I really don't need the extra power of the 450bm. Again, I like both. I just choose one over the other.
@toamaiusdvignir9468
Жыл бұрын
"Throws Wilson Combat .300 HAM'R into the conversation"
@leovasquez5501
Жыл бұрын
I would throw .30 Remington AR into the conversation, but as usual, Remington screwed the pooch on it. Shame too, because on paper at least, it looked to be a game changer.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
@@leovasquez550130 remington AR was doomed from the start. The whole upper reserver was proprietary.
@rouchenelvann
Жыл бұрын
Considering the plethora of people having feeding and reliably issues with 350 legend, and mag alterations that have to be done, I’d say 300blk is better practically. Doesn’t matter what the round is for ideally if I can use it without any certainty for reliability.
@Jc-m1a1
Жыл бұрын
You might have missed the point of the blackout, it is a saami rated 300 whisper which was originally made as a wildcat load for silencers. Yea the legend is much faster but I’m not looking for fast. I’m looking for stability and low sound. The fact that it’s made in supersonic I get to increase the popularity and the keep the cartridge alive they made supersonic.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
No, I get that point. The reason I made the video is that a all lot of people think 300blk is heavy hitting when it's really not. When JD Jones made the 300 whisper, it was only intended for subsonic. I mean, sure, it can go super sonic, but why tow a trailer with a Mustang? It can do it, but there's better tools for the job, which is my point.
@Jc-m1a1
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based that response make sense I get it’s a 30 sec short. It’s a 223 necked up, it’s not really hard hitting. I’ve hit pigs and had it not go in past the shield.
@JustinOther
6 ай бұрын
Thank you, I've been making this argument for awhile now! (Though I still like and use 300blk; it serves its intended purposes well.)
@pigacres
9 ай бұрын
What makes you the gun genius
@Mijae_motion_man
Жыл бұрын
Which one got More kick.
@wildcatindustries8030
Жыл бұрын
There’s only 2 reasons I would own a .300 BLK, Home defense, and suppressor host. The controlled choas rounds and similar options offer great stopping power, especially from a 10.5in platform. The nature of .300BLK being a mostly Sub-Sonic cartridge makes for easy to find ammo to feed a suppressed build. Other than that, .350 is just better, if you can get it to act right.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
350 legend subsonic beats 300 blackout subsonic any day.
@wildcatindustries8030
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based is commercial .350 easy to find. I didn’t even know they produced it
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Yes. 350legend is in the top 5 best-selling cartridge Winchester sells. It's also cheaper to buy in both super and subsonic ammo than 300blk.
@chrissewell1608
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_basedShhh! Don't tell people! Damn!.... I want the prices to go back down, to their original prices! Its triple right now!
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
@@chrissewell1608 winchester white box 350 Legend was $14.99 back in 2019 today its $14.99.
@bozaiwarrior
Жыл бұрын
remeber bella twin used a .22 to kill the 1953 world record grizzly but all in all some one probaly did but doesnt mean they should have
@austinhall5933
9 ай бұрын
300blk shines at 110gr, not 308win weight loadings.
@stay_based
9 ай бұрын
Even with that weight range bullet, it is still one of the weakest alternative cartridges for the AR-15.
@kennystrange8705
Жыл бұрын
I’ve killed 3 deer with this gun.. Ruger 350 Ranch Rifle and dropped them with no problem. Lots of impact energy 💯👍
@Naso03
2 ай бұрын
.350 Legend can do everything the .300 Blackout can do. The 250 grain subsonic 350 Legend is also suppressible. And they hit much harder too.
@danielcurtis1434
Жыл бұрын
There a huge amount he missing!!! Buy the biggest is price and availability!!! For better or worse .300 BLK is the most popular .223/5.56 alternative.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
You can get a box of 20 350legend cartridges for $17.99 a box of 20 300blk cartridges for $18.99 The prices are from midwayusa.com and there the cheapest you can get in each caliber. As for as availability 350 legend even in the middle of 2020 it was always availability at ever sporting store close to me However that may not be the case for everyone. In 2020 I couldn't find 300blk at all.
@p99guy
11 ай бұрын
Lol I’m late to the game because I had a 5.56 suppressor for years but not a .30 or larger one to try these. Being that .300 Blackout’s main claim to fame is its use with suppressors , and its supersonic loads were just a plus… I allready have .30-30, 7.62x39, .303 brit,and even.30 carbine to cover low end 1900-2400 fps .30 stuff if I needed something to hunt a hog problem. Or Texas whitetails in a mesquite thicket. My first .300 blackout is coming to my FFl in 2 days… Ruger American Ranch. And im 150 days in wait on the form 4 on a Rugged Alaskan 360 to try it out. That can will also do the .350 legend ( and up to .338 lapua mag) and Ruger also makes the American in .350 to try the round in…. Im slow catching up lol
@stay_based
11 ай бұрын
I have experience with both 300blk and 350 Legend subsonic and suppressed. I would still pick subsonic 350 legend over subsonic 300blk due to its larger diameter and weight. Sure, subsonic 300blk has a higher BC, but I still have yet to meet someone who has taken any animal with subsonic 300blk farther out, then 100 yards, thus making the higher BC a non factor for hunting. Biggest down side to 350 legend suppressed is that you have to find a suppressor in 9mm rated for rifle rounds.
@p99guy
11 ай бұрын
@@stay_based that would be the suppressor im waiting to clear… the Rugged Alaskan 360… it will do up to .338 Lapua mag
@jsee2385
Жыл бұрын
W/ respect This is like comparing apples and oranges really as you say they are 2 completely different calibers so you might as well compare .22 to .50. 300 black was designed for several reason to fit certain parameters. Like, be super quiet when suppressed and work with AR type mags and is .30 cal for commonality to work with everything you already have that works with your .30cal stuff. You're speaking from the point that velocity is the only thing that matters.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
I would have gone into more detail however KZitem shorts are limited to a minimum. do you think I should do a video longer video and give more detail?
@AOMartialArts
Жыл бұрын
@@stay_based Why not? I'm siding with some of the other comments, it's just too much "apples to oranges" in terms of PURPOSE. Blackout was specifically created to run suppressed with subs for cqb/spec ops. Everyone knows the ballistics die reaching out past 100yds. Meanwhile: 350 legend was *specifically* created as a hunting cartridge for states with the "straight wall cartridge" restriction. It has low recoil, high velocity and an absolute thumper of lead tip. Would love to hear your take in detail. Sincerely, A dude that hunts with a single shot break action 300blk but also owns a 16" 350legend! 🤣🤣
@SecretLizardMan
2 ай бұрын
Have we never heard of 762x39? Same speed with only marginally less energy (actually more once you get further than 100 yards out)
@stay_based
2 ай бұрын
More energy then 350 Legend beyond 100?
@carltonboles6675
8 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@justinpoore2938
Жыл бұрын
Ones used in the military and law enforcement one for hunting, but neither are the 308 so 🤷🏼♂️
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Yes that's my point but I know some people who will compare the 300blk to 308 based only on the calaber. And they will talk as if you will receive the same terminal ballistic from both rounds.
@justinpoore2938
Жыл бұрын
I don’t see your point… who are “they” to get you fired up? 180-200 grains moving at any kinda speed in a given range will do the job. You’re working off to many hypotheticals “theys” “if’s”.
@stay_based
Жыл бұрын
Ok so a a 180 grain bullets in 300blk is going about 1600fps the same bullets in will be going 2550fps in a 308 1 most rifle 308 caliper bullets don't expand at velocity lower than 1800 fps 2. Hydrostatic shock only happeneds around 2100-2200 fps Hydrostatic shock is why 22lr doesn't match 223 even if there both loaded with the same weight bullets So if you took the same bullets loaded in a 308 and a 300blk then fired then into ballistics gel the 300blk would give you a .308 diameter wound chanal and a 308 would give you a much larger wound chanal regardless of if the bullets would expand or not do to Hydrostatic shock.
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