I'm open minded about the price of their games but having just bought tours and tournaments which is generally viewed as a good expansion I've noticed the same half dozen travel events in almost every trip my characters have made. I think there's a pretty accurate perception that a lot of ck3 systems are pretty thin even after 3 years of ongoing development.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
See now that is actually the first piece of good feedback I've seen. Yes, the "stuck in a tin can" event gets tiresome, and I agree with you that you end up seeing the same 2-3 events from a small pool. Tin can, you'll be worth less after I defeat you, a courtier or knight wants to leave court to hook up for a booty call, I stole your gardener, tell me the future oh wise one, should I defile this holy site, and someone wants to hook up with you for a booty call. I would 100% say that not only should PDX be creating more content than the 6-7 we get, but when they do an expansion pack, they should also be adding in 1 or 2 new events for the previous DLC. So I respect that you are saying that while they are doing expansions, and the expansions in a vacuum are good, they are also light and they don't add much replay ability or repeatability because they get predictable.
@LegateRioksia
5 ай бұрын
Hey Jahlon as someone who used to like Paradox I think I can shed some light on this. I think people's problem with Paradox stems from their newer titles and their DLC being dumbed down from the previous games. I remember when I played CK3 thinking this UI is clean and game is very accessible, but it felt that the game was watered down to accomplish which led me to quickly becoming bored and returning quickly back to ck2. Here are a couple of examples -Raiding -Armies used to have 3 flanks which led to some mildly interesting choices on how you should divide your troops and commanders. This was scrapped in ck3. -Boats. While microing boats in ck2 got tired it was the system that existed and added something meanwhile CK3 has completely gamified it to your army just magically building them. One would have hoped a sequel might have built systems to help with the micro management whilst adding ship combat etc. However I think Victoria 3 is the best example of this when you compare the pop system of that game to Victoria 2. So to make it short many players feel Paradox is releasing new titles with fresh paint designed to attract wider audience. While this sounds good it alienates the old guard as usually, this runs hand in hand with dumbing down the game. Instead of a sequel that allows devs revamp the core and build a better experience than the previous title it feels like Paradox is just trying to sell us DLC we already played which in some scenarios might be worse than what we previously had. Why people leave negative reviews after many hours? 1) You already bought it, might as well play it. I know when I bought Cyberpunk at launch I was disappointed but as I had bought the game I played it to competition and as I am very completionist in RPGs so I spent lot of time in that game. 2) No alternative. If you are playing game in popular genre you can easily change the game to something else to scratch itch, but in less popular genres like grand strategy that is not really option. If you want ck3 alternative there is not lot of places you could go for it. So one might have to continue playing despite grievances. (Good luck finding any other game like Victoria.)
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I think what you've said about dumbing down games is spot on, but at the same time we have to realize game companies need to make money. So Paradox sold 3,000,000 copies of CK3 over 3 years. That's an absolute max of $150,000,000 minus Steam's cut of course. Since the game has been deeply discounted many times, it is between $74,970.000 and $150,000,000 on the core game, and then the expansions. The thing is, it takes money, time, effort, energy, and resources to make those expansions. With CK3 as mentioned, they give away 50% or more of the "expansion" for free. I get your point about leaving a review after many hours, but if you play a game for 300 hours that you paid $50, exactly how much more value are you looking for? If you watch a movie for 2.5 hours and you say "Wasn't worth my $15, it was terrible" Then you were out $15 for 2 hours, but now imagine if someone said "I've watched this movie 50 times (250 hours) and it is terrible" Ok, well if it terrible then WHY did you watch it 50 times? I think the same has to hold true for gaming. If you have 300 hours dedicated to a game, you can of course have feedback in the forms of either complaints or constructive criticism, but if you've played for 300 hours I think its unfair to give it a negative review. I mean, you've played it for 300 hours.
@Metalord874
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Regarding the last part. That's true if it's a game with no extra content added. Problem with ck3 IMO is that it just feel like an early access game that waits to be finnished. It's in a state like bannerlord that is tagged as an EA game. Reason for playing hundreads of hours is bc you try it again once a new update comes and you think that this time it'll hopefully feel finnished. And since it takes many hours to even try out CK3 the hours adds up fast. I wont touch vanilla CK3 untill it is about as complete as CK2 or EU4. I do however play with overhaul mods like the game of thrones and lord of the rings mods instead. That's also a reason it says I've played the game for much longer than I actually have.
@bottomofthebarrelguardian
5 ай бұрын
While I appreciate the time and effort and love put into this review, I have to disagree that bring more players in is bad. I didnt play ck2 or any paradox game before ck3 and have no gone back and played them all. I am now part of a community of great content creators and mod makers. It is a fantastic community that seems to have turned toxic. Without the "DUMB DOWNED" version you speak of, I would never have tried these games due to the daunting challenge of learning these games on a tight time schedule. I supposed you and people like you would just rather me not get to enjoy all these games because the devs made it "too easy?"
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I could absolutely understand that then. If CK2 fans are saying that CK3 isn't as fully finished or flushed out as CK2 was, that's fair feedback. I've seen this comment a fair few times so I think its probably more likely to be true. Looking at CK2's DLC they certainly did have a robust game.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
@bottomofthebarrelguardian I'm a little lost. You disagree that bringing in more players is bad? I don't think I said that. I think I said that CK3 is often referred to as "dumb downed" from CK2 because CK2 was way more complex. I think I said that was a good thing because it brings is more players and that's a good thing.
@jz9991z
5 ай бұрын
I agree with the subscription plan for players as it is a lot cheaper than buying the dlcs, but I do understand why people don't like it since it will expire one day. For the reviews that have zero hours playing the DLC, I have that as well. I don't know how Steam does it, but it is clearly not tracking my hours of playing properly. I have controversial feelings toward the dlcs. I like their current approach where certain features are not fully locked behind dlcs like in the past with CK2, but a lot of the mechanics they have introduced are quite shallow. They all have the potential to be great, but eventually, they are just mediocre.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
This is one of the better pieces of feedback I've gotten so thank you. If people feel the DLCs are shallow, or they are shallow compared to CK2 then that is a problem. If people feel that CK3 took a step backwards, then maybe PDX needed to do that in order to make the game for more players. Or maybe they are doing it because they still can't dial in with their playerbase. Square Enix misses the mark sometimes too. Players have been begging for a Final Fantasy Tactics remaster ever single the I-VI remasters, but SE said that Tactics was [paraphasing] one of their most unfinished games by the players due to difficulty. That's ok. Some of us want that level, but then the company needs to think of the bottom line.
@Zarniwooper
5 ай бұрын
200+ dollars for a game is just stupidly overpriced.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
So then WoW, FFXIV, Guild Wars 2, Everquest, Everquest 2, Final Fantasy 11, and pretty much every online game that charges a box price for the expansions are all over priced.
@Zarniwooper
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Well, those are MMO's with considerably high monthly running costs just because of server upkeep. I don't mind paying for good DLC's but when they are this aggressively priced, i'm out. Most of this stuff should be free patches. Anyone telling it cant be done because of costs, look at No Man's Sky which has had whopping 38 updates, which of at least i count half of them as major ones.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
Well yes those are MMOs, but the Box Price isn't exactly geared towards covering the server upkeep (I mean it will if they make enough) but also remember, it takes hundreds of millions to make some of those, and they really make their profit on the monthly subs. No Man's Sky has been a success absolutely, ever update brings them more players due to work of mouth marketing. That is without a doubt true, but that's also how they are funding it. With each update they sell more product.
@JakopDalunde
5 ай бұрын
Then don’t buy it. Nobody’s forcing you.
@Saradominstr
5 ай бұрын
Are they not inflating the "Total value" of the game by cutting it up in many DLC that are priced individually? And thereby making the subscribtion seem more worth it?
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I wouldn't think so given that they keep a pace of 1 major expansion a year and one minor expansion a year (which is now picking up pace this year). The thing is they aren't "cutting" up the game and putting it into DLC. You could argue that CD Project Red did that with Phantom Liberty. From what developers who left the studio have said, much of the Phantom Liberty expansion was already done while working on the core game, and that it was cut from the game in order to make the deadline. In that regard, I would say CP2077 was "cut up" into a main game and a DLC to inflate the total value. As far as CK3, I would say that what they had for the Plagues and Legends in this year's expansion might have been vaguely planned for back in developer, but certainly wasn't ready for release in 2020. If it was ready for release, would they not have released it sooner? I believe it boils down to is the core game fairly priced at $49.99. Does it give enough value at that price point. For people who have played it, and all the free content updates for upwards of 1k 2k even 3k hours and have never paid another penny, that's amazing value. That's why I say $1 per 1 hour. If you pay $49.99 for a game that gives you 50 hours of entertainment I think that's a good deal. How many single player RPGs do we have that we spend 50 or 60 for, do one playthrough in 28/30 hours, then throw on the shelf and never play again?
@JoeBurner1720
5 ай бұрын
Well regarding ck3 i don’t think it has the subscription
@TheBusbyBabes
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeBurner1720 yeah it doenst afaik only the older ones with hundreds of dollars of dlcs have like hoi4 and eu 4
@Magicduelshelper1
5 ай бұрын
Im usually bored of a game by the time DLCs come out and they dont add enough to want to pay/come back. With Paradox games I will check the DLCs and see $200 worth, then just play the base game to scratch the itch. I may or may not buy a DLC or 2 depending how into the game i get. CK3 is also on Game Pass if anyone hasn't played it. With Diablo 4, I got more than $100 of play time. I still dont think the game was worth $100. Baldurs Gate was worth the $100, even if i played it less than Diablo. If that makes any sense. I played though the Rimworld expansions, those were pretty good and a new one was just announced.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
CK3 is on Game Pass thank you for reminding us about that, I don't have game pass so I never really look to see what's there. BG 3 is worth every penny. I think I spent 110 hours on that game and if they do anything like an expansion, I'll be on that.
@alexanderkostin6404
5 ай бұрын
270$ for a videogame is greedy, asking plkayers to pay suscription fee for a single game thats not an MMO is even more greedy, making your DLCs more expensive so that your fans are forced to subscribe to a game and pay you forever is the epitome of greed. That's it. That's Why people hate companies like that. Question answered.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I'd have to disagree with you on that. $270 for a single video game is greedy. $270 spread across 20 expansions, not so much. Now, we are debate if each expansion is worth the price they are charing, we can debate the quality, but if you don't need to download the new expansion to keep playing what you paid for, then I think that's fair. Don't want the new content...don't buy the new content. Also, I wasn't aware subscriptions were forever? Pay it for a month, play to your heart's content and if you move onto something the next month, cancel the sub. It wasn't until recently that Blizzard and Square Enix rolled all the expansions into just paying for the most recent. Prior to that you paid 50/60 bucks for an expansion or waited until it went on sale. I've had good discussions with people over the quality of the individual expansions, but I can't believe people would expect DLC for free. Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty was $29.99 and I think it added $30 worth of value to the game. The thing is, if they did another 3 expansions, and now suddenly the CP2077 family of games is $150 people would be outraged. So instead, CP2077 won't get any more DLC. We'll just get a Sequel game and be $69.99 when it comes out.
@mercster
5 ай бұрын
The DLC is perceived as overpriced and often underwhelming, filled with bugs, and gamebreaking. That's the read I get from reviews, etc.
@mercster
5 ай бұрын
I mostly play EUIV, which has a gazillion DLC, with many suffering this fate. CK3 doesn't have as many, and I don't know about Stellaris. But it's possible Paradox obsessives are seeing the same patterns emerge in those titles.
@mercster
5 ай бұрын
I think that the monthly sub (which I have actually used for quite a while) is a good deal for some people, but the problem is... it's a single player game. Why am I paying a sub on a single player game? Many of the DLC are roundly disliked and people feel they make the game actively worse, so...
@mercster
5 ай бұрын
I do agree a good 80% of gamers are insufferable and are addicted to the social gratification they get by hate-f*%^ing things in a communal fashion. It makes them feel discerning and powerful.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
All very spot on. I think the problem with gamers is that they see a $19.99 DLC and they rage about it, not realizing that 50% or more of the "expansion" was free. I could understand the rage if the DLC was $39.99 and nothing was free, but I think gamers have just become greedy. I also very much agree that people like to hate-fuck and gangbang. Being negative is easier than being positive, unless when you are negative you have a list of feedback, criticism, ideas, suggestions, solutions. Which sadly, most of the haters don't.
@I_am_nobody999
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Gamers aren't greedy, Paradox are greedy. Their practices are inexcusable. You're running defence for them because your channel is centred around their games.
@LunaMoon0
5 ай бұрын
I have to be honest. I hate the new legitimacy system. I had expected more
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
Having over 100 hours in Legends of the Dead now, I will say I agree with you. The legitimacy system is paper thin. Its too easy to max out, you aren't penalized enough for illegitimate actions and you are over penalized for irrelevant ones. Yes, I murdered someone, who plotted against me, my realm, and my family. Nope, lose a level. From reading other people's comments I will say, this system is very thin and needed some tender loving care. Personally, I think you should have to pick the bonuses you want, not just get them all at once. Also, you can be max level as a count holding a realm of 29. Why is a Count able to max legitimacy, shouldn't only Emperors and Kings be able to max it out? More would have been good.
@ub3rfr3nzy94
5 ай бұрын
You don't know why people hate on paradox? You don't know why the studio that pumps out over priced DLCs with sub par content, and broken games that are so poorly optimised they don't function in the late game, is disliked? CK3 is literally unplayable late game. When the game released, there weren't PCs on the market that were strong enough to play the endgame without significant lag, let alone now. They make one DLC, then cut it into pieces and sell it to us 3 times. You aren't thinking logically, you're just clouded by the fact you like their games. I like their games too, but they make greedy decisions that are bad for their customers. I was a hardcore Blizzard fan, I know what it was like to defend a company that I thought could do no wrong. It took me a while but I realised the truth. Nintendo fans are a lot like this too. You need to realise you can like their games and be unhappy with their decisions, it is not mutuall exclusive. It doesn't matter if some of the DLC is free, they know fans will buy the DLC, like you and me, and we're being screwed out of content and being charged more. Ever heard of shrinkflation, it's like that, but with DLC.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
So, while I appreciate feedback, I'm going to challenge this one: "When the game released, there weren't PCs on the market that were strong enough to play the endgame without significant lag, let alone now." The only time I have any lag with CK3, going back to launch all the way to now, is when I have a grand rite with over 2k visitors. Beyond that, I've not had issues with lag. As far as "overpriced" DLCs, I mean I have approaching 100+ hours on Legends of the Dead since it launched, and while I'm not even advocating for it to be "OMG GAME OF THE YEAR" I think for $19.99 the legend system and the rewards for the legend system are fine, also considering that the expansion pack provides a free update to people with the base game. Yes, I like their games, but that is why I'm ok with supporting a company. Do I agree that some of the stuff they put out is broken? Absolutely. Do I hate when a company puts out the next DLC while they still have a stack of bugs to fix, Absolutely. Do I wish they had fixed the bug in Tours and Tournaments where in the second round if in the second match someone dies you automatically lose the tournament? Yes. Are there a lot of other things that need to be fixed. Without a doubt. I think that can all be discussed though as a problem with the company and not a problem with the DLC. I absolutely understand shrinkflation, I also understand why people would think Stellaris (which I would have be disingenuous if I didn't mention) is an absolutely rip off at $200, but I think PDX fixed that with the monthly sub issue. At the same time I think Legends of the Dead is worth $19.99 because I think there is $19.99 worth of value there. Truthfully I think $20 means 20 hours. Did I get 20 hours out of this? And the answer is yes. Much like CP2077 Phantom Liberty. Did I get my value out of it? Yes, because I ended up doing a complete new run through the game, and that's knowing full well that Phantom Liberty
@TheBusbyBabes
5 ай бұрын
i dont get it either. i think the paradox approach is one of the best in financing long term development projects. i prefer this to ingame purchases, pay to win, or anything else. only thing i have a problem with is selling cosmetics for 5€ and the amount it comes to when trying to get into older games but i also think the subscription solution is pretty good
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I mean I 100% understand the sticker shock, which is why both FFXIV and WoW have rolled the box price of the game into the core game and the most recent expansion. But I remember getting involved with WoW after a few years off and having to pay like $99 or something to pick up the expansions I didn't have. Its much the same thing, but people will forgive it for an MMORPG.
@aleksej1389
5 ай бұрын
Where can i pirate the dlcs? I aint gonna pay every 3 months a full game price to get a lil more
@Kevin000
5 ай бұрын
CREAMAPI Search for it
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
So first of all I don't think $19.99 is a "full price game" I think $19.99 is a perfectly fair price for a DLC. Second, if you don't want to pay for the expansion, just be happy with the free additions to the base game? I mean, you don't technically have to buy it.
@zeryphex
5 ай бұрын
I know we're not supposed to mention torrenting, but ... let's just say that I got a hold of CK2 and played the hell out of it. Now that we have CK3, and a few merit raises later (at work) ... I am more-than-willing to pay full price (or discounted price) for CK3 and DLCs, and I have done so. If CK4 could move to a first-person perspective or third-person perspective, I would be more-than-happy to pay full price for that type of game. That would be a very enjoyable MMORPG for myself ... even if the player population would be relatively low (servers could be hosted by Paradox or hosted locally by game masters). edit: I also want to mention that the CK3 Steam workshop mods are really fun and worth it; I know we are not paying those mod developers, but I love the CK3 mods from the workshop.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I'm not quite sure how a Ck3 MMORPG would work, not that it isn't a cool idea, but I just don't think it would work well
@dexasmoru8333
5 ай бұрын
Anyone who says paradox tries to milk players are just freaking stupid. All of their major dlcs come with huge free updates and all the dlc's also spell out exactly what you will be purchasing. If you have any sort of patience, you can also buy even the new dlcs shortly after release on like instant gaming or something for a lil bit off. I actually enjoy knowing that a Paradox game will definitely get updated years after purchase.
@Danielsjordan05
5 ай бұрын
Brainwashed
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
@dexasmoru8333 makes a solid point. If you don't want to spend $19.99 right when the DLC is out, then pick it up later when its on sale. I agree with knowing that a game I enjoy will keep getting tweaks and additions, including free ones. @aymericism2 also hits the nail on the head. Paradox released CK3 in 2022 and in the first 2 years picked up just over 1.6M players. In the 3rd year they picked up 1.3M or 45.6% of the player base. I think its fair for them to continue charging for DLC as long as they don't release teeny, tiny DLC at a high price. I would argue $19.99 is fair. I've yet to hear an argument for why that price point isn't fair.
@Danielsjordan05
5 ай бұрын
Brainwash
@securion100
5 ай бұрын
I love Paradox, I love CK3, but Legends of the Dead is just s**t. Never going to pay that much for so little content.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I think that puts PDX in a terrible position. So if they give half the expansion away for free, and then charge $19.99 for the DLC half, people might say its too much for so little content. But, if they keep all the content in the $19.99 DLC, and provide no free content, then Paradox is "greedy corpos" They could have developed the base game and never added any more content. Or they could have been like CP2077 and actually removed stuff from the core game to later sell (confirmed by devs who left CD Project Red). I don't think there is a win then for PDX.
@mdc123-v2v
5 ай бұрын
CD Keys for 12 quid. There you go fella.
@I_am_nobody999
5 ай бұрын
if you don't know why they get the hate then you're probably the reason Paradox acts the way they do. They are cancerous. Their practices are AWFUL. When CK2 was finished with it had MANY incredible features and content that they then completely removed for CK3 so that they could charge us for everything all over again. What we're left with after 4 years is a blander, lesser experience. The game is prettier but it is less interesting and less full. For this we are made to pay almost 150 dollars. You can't even play their games in multiplayer because of desync issues which has been happening in every single one of their games since the beginning. Paradox is a horrible, awful video game company. I've been playing their game for 15 years and it has been beyond depressing watching them transform from an ambitious creator of wonderful content for this niche into a greedy money pit that nickels and dimes us for stuff we already had in prequels. It's disgusting.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
So that is very well said, but I'll ask you this. If you have this much hatred of Paradox and their games, why are you still playing their games 15 years later? I could see if you played for maybe 5 years hoping it would get better, but after 15 years? At what point does "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" lick in? Yes, I understand that $150 is a lot of money for CK3 and all the expansions, but we've been paying for Expansions in WoW and FFXIV for years. Only recently have they bundled all the prior expansions into the game (or the most recent expansion purchase price. I will admit maybe I am the problem, but if I have 1,000 hours in CK3 and I only paid $150 then I'm ok with paying 15 cents an hour for entertainment.
@I_am_nobody999
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetworkThey are the only company that make this type of game and Crusader Kings is such an attractive and compelling prospect that I simply cannot stay away. That said I have north of 1500 hours in CK2 and only 450 thus far in CK3, most of which is in total conversion mods, so make of that what you will. Please keep in mind that my hatred for them is only because I loved them so much. I don't mind them having many DLC's, and I don't mind paying for them. I adored them when CK2 was in its pomp. This isn't about that. The dlc's are shoddy and their new games are substandard and dumbed down to attract more players, at the cost of complexity which veterans like me need. CK3 is so easy that it's insulting and they deepen the issue with every new DLC. It's very frustrating.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I mean I was a little disappointed in CK3 when I found out my horse can't be my chancellor.
@I_am_nobody999
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetworkThere's no ledger. You can't configure message settings. You can't look up previously finished wars. The Character finder can't find missing traits, list by willingness to join court, filter by great house.... This is a small number of missing QOL features that were in CK2 but aren't in CK3. They're all asked for constantly on the forums and on reddit but Paradox don't add them, because they _don't care._ They are getting paid either way. They are a soulless company who really only care about doing as little as it takes to get paid.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
So I will agree with you on the things that are lacking, except great house. You can search by House or Dynasty in the Character Finder, but yes the missing traits (or does not have) is an issue. So I think, its more appropriate to say instead of "This DLC is bad" and instead "We didn't really want this DLC before all the QoL things we've asked for"
@axiomsofdominion
4 ай бұрын
For me personally, I didn't buy CK3, because I saw the focus on the 3D models and made a prediction about how the game would evolve. And I'm pretty happy with that prediction and that decision. I'm not saying the game did nothing. The game had some strong additions, and they had some things that were probably popular and increased sales from non-GSG people but which I personally don't care about when weighed against other things they could have done. I'll describe a major complaint below. In fact some of the things that drastically increased their market potential are the exact things I wasn't interested in. What I suspect is that many veteran Paradox players had desires similar to mine which were not met, and what is more upsetting than a company you supported and which made niche games you enjoyed that left you behind in search of greater profits? Not necessarily that Paradox is a cackling fat man with a monocle in a dark room planning evil, but the result is essentially the same. One thing that CK3 barely improved on over CK2 was the depth of the characters. Representing either medieval people or fantasy characters, in mods, really would benefit from characters being more distinct and having more depth. Crucial plot points in both historical fiction and fantasy fiction involved specific interests or hobbies of major characters, particular and specific goals, opinions on the status quo of the world either socially or politically or economically, and the relationships based on characters connecting through these distinct personalities. You also had stuff like cultural conflict, which doesn't really exist in CK2 or CK3. I always wonder why, aside from money, Paradox pushed forward on snazzy graphical upgrades instead of adding depth to the social simulation. That's what I was looking for from a sequel to CK2 but sadly that wasn't the direction the developers chose to go in. And CK3 made solid strides in multithreading, given the limitations of being a real time/tick based game. All that extra power could have given time to characters to take a deeper "consciousness" and base their actions and decisions on it.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
4 ай бұрын
All of this is very spot on. In another video I talk about if moddable games are finished products or development platforms. Truthfully, CK3 is much more enjoyable with mods because the mods do a lot of the flushing out that should be in the core game. I thin CK2 was a great game for a niche audience. I think CK3 tried to be a great game for a larger audience and as a development platform for modders it is one of the best starting points for grand strategy games.
@axiomsofdominion
4 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Mods would struggle to have a really deep character simulation for performance reasons. Though Tobbzn certainly tried in some cases. God bless him. CK3 has some work to do to be a truly great modding platform but it certainly has some advantages. But given the question posed in the video, I think that your comment here only concedes the point. CK3 abandoned the original audience, even if some members of that audience as individuals really love it. And there's basically no alternatives to be had.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
4 ай бұрын
I agree with you they abandoned the original audience. I think to reach their 3,000,000 sales for their 3 year anniversary last year they had to simplify the game to make it more easily accessible to people.
@axiomsofdominion
4 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork It is notable that CK2 was at 1 million sales of the base game within 2 years. I wonder what it had at the end vs the current total for CK3. I will say that as someone who made the call early not to buy CK3 or get invested in it, I have a lot of sympathy for people who bought in and feel like they were let down. I imagine I'd be angry rather than disappointed if I had bought the base game, which was priced pretty high, and then the first few DLC, and then realized the game was not for me. I think it will be very interesting to see how people, whether haters or lovers of CK3, feel about the game as more games release this year and next year with much deeper representations of characters and social/political groups and the consequently more interesting and varied gameplay that results in. Of course indie games have much worse production values and I know for a fact some large percentage of CK3 players value production values over game mechanics, so Paradox probably won't take a huge hit from the competition. Maybe 25% drop in players at most.
@dylanwysocki4406
5 ай бұрын
The legends system is stupid and I’m sick of them adding new features that do nothing but minutely affecting fucking opinion modifiers or oooh wow .03 more development
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
While I don't agree with your opinion, I respect that you had a negative thing to say but also backed it up with a why. I think the legend system is very expensive, that is very hard to manage with gold income as it is a huge gold sink. With that said, completing a legend does provide a lot of tangible benefits. I do agree that the legend feature may have missed the mark somewhat. I also think they may have slid a little bit back towards CK2 with the not as clear explanations.
@draccuzhc7113
5 ай бұрын
i literally own all Gameplay dlcs for eu4. I get that it is expensive, but i think if u wanna Test it just use the "new" sub model.. Also in Multiplayer just 1 person needs the dlcs, what i think is really cool.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I would agree that only 1 person needing the DLC to host allows other players to play is a good feature for people to try/experience the paid half of the DLC without having to buy it.
@Roseh77
5 ай бұрын
You make it clear at the outset of the video that you don't understand why people have lost faith in PDX, and it's clear that you don't understand. I don't know what else to say.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
You are right, I don't understand that's why the video is a question. I mean, its a $19.99 optional expansion pack, that pretty much for every feature in the paid for DLC side of the expansion, there is a free feature that gets added to the core game. I've seen some comments from people like "why was this removed from the core game?" Well, it wasn't removed from the core game, because it didn't exist three years ago. I think some people have fair concerns, complaints, and feedback, but other people, like the guy with 0.0 hours played in the last 2 weeks commenting on the politics in the DLC, well that's a negative baseless review just to be negative.
@Roseh77
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ey bro I agree. I personally love the way they support their games for years on end. My issue with them is the quality of the recent DLC, and the general shoddy nature of their releases over the past 5 or 6 years. The company has changed entirely. Outdated game design and sloppy releases with zero QA focus.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
Now that I can absolutely agree with. There is a bug in Tours and Tournaments that still exists years later. As someone said, the quality is "good" but "thin" Sure, the DLC is good, on the first playthrough, but then it gets repetitive. I can accept and respect that and maybe that is something PDX needs to be more aware of. Instead of pushing out a DLC with only 6 events I'm going to encounter, maybe they need to focus on having more unique events so the trip to my Tournament isn't always met with a dumb ass knight stuck in a tin can, or a guy who wants to pick a fight. I think that is better feedback and a better starting point.
@filipfenix
5 ай бұрын
A subscription for a game I have thousands of hours in, but play extremely sporadic, even skip a year here and there, a sub just doesn't sound logical. Some people fish bundles, and have all their cash.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
Yes but you can start and stop the sub at will just like your Netflix account. So if you are going to binge for a while, you can up the sub. If you are done this month and not going to play for a long while, then let the sub lapse. Personally I buy the DLC and expansions for the games I enjoy to support the devs.
@lorenzdaks2213
5 ай бұрын
Always remember that another reason for some negatives reviews is the urge to post a non-constructive comment, aor simply pure trolling
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
100% this. I think, though, gamers need to stop doing that because it just hurts the product.
@mdc123-v2v
5 ай бұрын
All of the updates PDX make to CK3 are about interweaving new complex systems into what is an already complex emergent RPG. None of these releases are perfect on release, because it takes time to bed them in, tweak and refine them. It then takes time for the modding community to add these systems to their overhauls. I feel I see the same posts time and time again every time PDX release a new core update. The initial wave of negativity, followed by the realisation that the updates have actually improved the overall experience. PDX aren't perfect, but the hate they get is completely undeserved. They aren't forcing anyone to buy DLC and you can frequently get newly released content at massive discounts from CDK etc. Imagine if PDX weren't around?
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
Basically this. I also notice the complaint shifts from price to quality back to price.
@dimoronen
5 ай бұрын
Always the same shit, people don't understand how expensive game dev is.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
We were just talking about that today on my stream with the 3 components: Correct, Fast, and Cheap If you want it Cheap and Correct - It won't be Fast If you want it Correct and Fast - It won't be Cheap and if you want it Fast and Cheap - It won't be correct Personally I've played Legends of the Dead over 75 hours now since release and its amazing. I'm having such a better time between avoiding the plagues and having to totally change all of my building plans and strategies, to pushing a legend early game to end up with 25+ claims, I think it was worth the $19.99.
@dimoronen
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork I'm definitely biased here as I work in the game industry but I think people need to consider the hours of fun per cost and the quality of that fun. If you have no problem spending 50 bucks on beers a evening out is it then so bad to spend 50 bucks on a game that you play a lot lot longer? IMO it's not but I am very financially secure so it might be easy for me to say.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with you. People will pay $21 for a 5 guys burger and that's ok People will pay $15 for a movie ticket and that's ok People will pay $25 for a DVD and that's ok People will pay $100 - $150 to spend the day at an amusement park and that's ok. But Paradox asking you to pay $19.99 for a DLC you'll get 50-100 hours of out? No, that's not ok. That's corporate greed.
@goldenballssmith9689
5 ай бұрын
im looking for relaible friend in archage as i had to start again and now cant get passed anthalons invation
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
Pretty sure you are on the wrong video as this video has nothing to do with Archeage.
@goldenballssmith9689
5 ай бұрын
could you recommend a video for archeage friends?@@ParadoxGamingNetwork
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
@@goldenballssmith9689 I actually don't have any friends still playing. Everyone left after Kakao stole all the player's credits. There are a few Archeage reddits and discords out there.
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