I'm a DC United fan, not necessarily an MLS fan (it's always weird to me when I hear ppl call themselves a fan of a league), and I agree w/ a lot of your points! From looking at the other comments here, it seems like you either have to be in the "let's Americanize everything with no pro-rel, single-entity, hard salary cap" camp or "let's Europeanize everything with no conferences, playoffs, financial regulation," etc. We are perfectly capable of blending the best aspects of both soccer cultures, maintaining some parity while giving greater opportunities to lower-division clubs. Unfortunately, I can't see MLS ever trying pro-rel. That's something USL might experiment with in the future, and I hope they follow through on it! If only there was a USL team in Maryland... Also, sorry to be nitpicky, but it's just "MLS," not "the MLS" :)
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
My god. You are a legend. I was beginning to think i may be the only person who can see there is a “best of both worlds” situation to strive for.
@fighterck6241
Жыл бұрын
Considering that the NBA is actually bringing up the concept of relegation unprovoked, I don't think this is as out of the question as many American soccer fans believe it is...
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of **my team** in this league (MLS), and of **my team** in that league (the NBA), etc. How does being a fan of "a league" even work?
@CTripodi1965
Жыл бұрын
I read that Baltimore is looking into a 10k seat soccer specific stadium. Maybe another minor league team feeder for DC United.
@spainishheron
Жыл бұрын
@@davidday2373 I'm a MLS FAN AND I follow my team but i also like wstching other games outside of my team (el trafico, texas derby, NY derby) heck I even watched all the 2022 playoff games. that is being fan of a legue, not just watching ur own team
@TomCat14
Жыл бұрын
Many people who are just now [or within the past 6-8 years] getting into MLS don't remember when the league was in decline and almost folded. That was just before Beckham...only 15 years ago. To see the growth and understand that it is/has been sustainable has been fantastic. I do think at some point your notes will be more of an issue than they are now. But as a guy who remembers the inaugural season and who remembers the league's retraction, I'm okay with where we are for now. Bonus points are that the level of play and expansion in the USL and other lower leagues has been phenomenal.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
This is why I wasnt so quick to trash them completely and tried to be fair in my criticism. Because I have only followed the mls loosely for about the last 10 years and ive seen MASSIVE strides and i get some of the nuances that have put us in the position we are today. But i believe alot of the things that made that growth possible is holding us back a bit from having a truly great domestic top division.. also not sure if they will push to stray from the NFL model but i think thats within our best intrest.
@TomCat14
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia absolutely. And I do feel you were fair. I don't think everyone else in the MLS sphere always is fair and objective. The reality is that pro/rel makes for some things to be more boring, but there are plenty of Europeans, Asians, South Americans, Africans tuning in because they love any team can win any game. Personally, I enjoy the parity and don't really want a league where a half dozen teams dump insane cash in order to dominate year after year (partially bc I support PTFC and fear that Seattle would be the ones shelling out $$ in that rivalry). And while realistically not every team has a chance to win every year, it's tight enough to be plausible...better odds than Leicester taking the Prem a few years back. Anyway, enjoyed the video. Cheers!
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@TomCat14 yes! Ideally we could find a mix between balance and open market innovation. Ive tried really hard to break down the logistics of pro/rel and it really would take and insane, unprecedented move by USSF and the leagues would have to find a way to be cordial. But unfortunately the history shows, that is not such an easy task for American sports leagues. The biggest part that seems exciting about pro/rel is I think we could do it better than anywhere here in the USA. especially with a top division of 20 teams. It would be insane. Also I appreciate your feedback, I am glad you enjoyed :)
@antman8887
Жыл бұрын
@@TomCat14 I believe you just made the case both for profit-sharing and for playoffs. Without profit-sharing, the same oligarchy of rich teams dominate, while the poorest alternate between promotion and relegation. Again, the modern Premier League illustrates this perfectly. Likewise, playoffs really DO give a large number of teams a chance to win a championship, and guarantee that the question of league champ will not be settled until the last match is played -- promoting both interest and attendance. At any rate, there now may be a de-facto system of promotion, of a sort, with the rise of the USL. So long as we continue to play the U.S Open Cup (which, it always bears repeating, is one one of the oldest continuously played championships on Earth), the chance for a Sacramento FC to sweep into the final match--defeating three MLS teams along the way--will always be there. And Sacramento may well be 'promoted' to MLS in the next league expansion. A big, sprawling, messy, multi-tiered conglomeration of professional and semi-professional leagues and titles... Sound familiar? It's a beautiful thing ... But it can only grow by producing an entertaining product while maintaining sound fiscal policy. We've tried going the "organic" route repeatedly in the U.S, and it has never been sustainable.
@donfrossa1432
Жыл бұрын
MLS should be 16 teams each conference, 30 Regular conference and 4 Inter conference games, the inter conference games should be position matched from last season, Example top 4E 🆚 top 4W, the conference winner should be the team that finished 1st 🥇 in each conference in regular league play, this would make every match very important, the playoffs should be a 16 team 4 groups of 4 UEFA Champions League or World Cup format.
@srivas180
Жыл бұрын
MlS is not boring, but they need better advertising and marketing. I think it will get better with time and with better people in charge. I agree with what he said.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
For sure, i think the games and especially attending them live is great entertainment. I think the branding is whats a bit boring to me. For sure feels less community driven and over commercialized. I think its the American model but still needs to be more attached to the communities
@oyaml1211
Жыл бұрын
EPL and Liga MX advertise a lot more and they do it for money, like any business does. But if MLS does it if feels out of place and too "Americannized"? 🤔 Will never understand that logic.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@oyaml1211 “Americanized”?… i dont think there is anything wrong with advertising. But when it feels like it came from the league office rather than the individual clubs it feels very franchised, and unoriginal.
@oyaml1211
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia Have you seen the advertising for Liga MX? It isn't done by the teams themselves. It's done by the TV network. Point is, for MLS every single little detail is under a microscope while other more popular leagues do the same and no one says anything.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@oyaml1211 I mean yeah, that makes total sense. Same with the EPL. But they are advertising their broadcast of the competition more so than the actual per team branding. I fully understand that in that aspect MLS will always be handicapped by SUM and whatever broadcast deal they have. But in terms of the way each team brands their club flows within a specific structure set in place by MLS.
@ja0349a
Жыл бұрын
Your last two points were spot on as far as why MLS has struggled to build up a TV audience. Games have always bounced around and there has never been a successful effort to generate interest in the players. MLS and their TV partners carry the blame on this as the league was clearly never a priority with Fox or ESPN so they always moved the game times and they never properly promoted the league on their channels. Hopefully, the Apple deal will give MLS the runway to start putting together programming that can generate human interest in the way that Welcome to Wrexham or Drive to Survive have done elsewhere.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think everyone wants to capitalize on the drive to survive thing but we can only hope for the best
@hyperrat12
Жыл бұрын
What's really annoying for me as an FC Dallas fan is that none of our home games are on ESPN plus because for whatever reason they black out our home games in Dallas, you have to watch it on a local station aka you have to have cable.
@bubba842
11 ай бұрын
I don't think putting it behind a paywall will help with growth.
@davidday2373
4 ай бұрын
Partly to blame for that are the Soccer fans in the U.S. who follow European leagues and LIga MX. They take away from what MLS _could_ and _should_ be if we had our own people following our domestic league (and not some foreign leagues).
@winstong7438
Жыл бұрын
The problem is American sports love implementing franchising. Relegation creates natural storylines and keeps the sport interesting for the top seeded teams as well as the lower seeded teams.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I know. Its really an uphill battle at this point
@davidday2373
4 ай бұрын
How is that "the problem"? The Major League system in the U.S. works great across multiple different sports. Never-end storylines, intensified Rivalries in the Playoffs, competitive... for decades and decades, for generations and generations. P.S. I'm a life-long sports fan, and I never even heard of "Promotion-Relegation" until a few years ago.
@michaelwalker7400
Жыл бұрын
Good point on the uniforms. MLS wanted guaranteed money for uniforms and that's how adidas became the league wide sponsor. The contract ends in 2026, but I'd expect MLS to keep adidas or bid it out to see if adidas, Nike, Puma or someone else will pay the price they want. Adidas also apparently doesn't like the idea of 3rd shirts for every team, which is why they went with a white kit for everyone. That doesn't help each team stand out as you pointed out. As far as stadiums, they are copying European stadia and unless you build onto a pre-existing stadium, like Portland's, they will be a version of a rectangle with maybe a different type of roof design used. Mexico is also copying MLS with no pro/rel for five seasons. I'd expect them to keep it because those teams in Liga MX are able to make more money with no fear of dropping down, and the players are paid better.
@nicolasjavaloyes4459
Жыл бұрын
"there's no history in the club" well it just got made
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
This is sort of my issue though, you just pay money, check some boxes and congratulations your the next “top” team. Not really sure what alternative option to offer though. Its just unfortunate we dont have a better way to grow clubs organically
@jetlifewill23
Жыл бұрын
MLS needs to stop making deals that keep the matches behind a paywall wether it be cable or streaming, also make it accessible as possible the same way we get NBA or NFL games, plus pro/rel doesn't hurt, great vid btw hope you find more success
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your feedback! I need to get promoted to afford this new mls deal lol. Or maybe the channel will take off and i could get one of them fancy apple tv + subscriptions(and also the mls addon). Haha in all seriousness though i fully agree and paywalls suck. I never thought cable like we had in the mid 2000s would be of such envy in the modern world…
@jetlifewill23
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia, as someone who grew up wit no cable i always struggled to find anything outside of Mexican football that wasn't the world cup at most a random game from Germany or Spain but 0 prem until after the 06 world cup when I finally came across fox soccer Channel at a buddies house while channel surfing lol No way I'm paying for an appletv sub just for the galaxy I'm already pulling my hair out just watching them and I hope you get to experience a few games live its a good experience just wish they had something for kids to get in cheaper it gets more families in the seats
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@jetlifewill23 luckily i live in Central Texas so i have no lack of options. Ive been to all 3. Austin FC is by far the most fun. And is actually what brought me excitement about the mls for the first time. Houston and FC Dallas are old guard and do a pretty lackluster job at putting a live event together. Houston is MILES better than Dallas. But the most praise to Dallas on what they do for youth development. Overall a game at Austin FC is on par with games ive been to in Europe. My main issue with the MLS is trying to follow the league from outside the stadiums. Its a horrid experience for a product that still needs work
@jetlifewill23
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia, I'm pretty lucky to be in California as we have the most soccer rich history imo plus all the teams we can watch from up north to San jose and all the way south with San Diego loyal in the USL which isn't too bad a league dived in head first this year mostly because of a certain Salvadoran player joining the switchbacks I feel they're only a good TV deal away of getting a piece of the pie hopefully it happens and destroys the elitist closed league MLS is
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@jetlifewill23 i am really really really rooting for the USL. Just because they seem to understand a different aspect of growing the game. And i think you are right. A good tv deal then the investment will be even better than it already is.
@AKUNJIG
Жыл бұрын
I've always said that the Financial Limits on the Clubs willing to spend is what's holding this League back. I'm for Salary Caps, but I want to see the MLS increase the Cap so that we'll get those Quality Players. I have no problem with some of these Cookie Cutter Stadiums. We're finally getting Soccer Stadiums! The Current MLS Schedule is subject to Change, but I like the set start times. Makes scheduling for Tailgating much better. One example was Atlanta at Charlotte, Kickoff was at 3:30 on Saturday then out of the Blue it was Switched to 1pm on Sunday by ESPN which pissed a lot of us off because we had to scrap our original plans.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
To be honest, the stadium point was absolutely weak as f**k. I shouldn’t have said that, they do a good job on that front to be fair. If you have ever even tried to get just a field constructed it is for sure a MASSIVE undertaking
@kelvinloyola6070
Жыл бұрын
MLS has increased it's salary cap for the last 10 years, the CBA requires that increase...
@AKUNJIG
Жыл бұрын
@@kelvinloyola6070 Needs to be at least $10-$15m
@carlos_takeshi
Жыл бұрын
They're getting there on the spending. Toronto FC, the top spending club in MLS, spent more than $26 million last year. However, spending more money is counterproductive if the team spends itself into the grave. Over time, teams have been spending more as revenues allow, and have been improving their rosters as revenues allow. The Apple TV deal will help, and hopefully the partnership with LIGA MX will help. And hopefully MLS will be able to capitalize on 2026 in a significant way. In any case, the main thing is to not be stupid with money while still continuously improving the teams.
@bubba842
11 ай бұрын
Well that's one massive problem there. Allowing the media companies to change times of games to suit their scheduling. Such a thing would be unheard of in any other league anywhere else in the world .
@brianlocal3
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love mls. Issue is you get more “story “ with the other leagues I.e. you get “to know and follow” more guys like Lewy, mbappe etc But if you follow mls writing and news you follow and get vested in the players
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
My argument would be that you dont need “lewa, mbappe, etc” thats the false ideas that the mls has in their heads. Look at austin fc and atl utd. They used their dp slots to bring in club heros, rising stars, and other players that may have lacked reputation but are absolutely peaked to be at thier clubs and fully bought into the community. This is how the club can connect with their communities.
@brianlocal3
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia 100% agree , I don’t feel like you need them either. I’m from STL, have followed STLFC (not CITY) our old USL team, and to me and my kids the players there were more interesting and important than any big name out there. We still run into captain Sam Fink at the park running… I have been a SKC fan for years, but my allegiance will be shifting to STL CITY.
@brianlocal3
Жыл бұрын
Need more coverage to allow the people to have buy in and feel like they “know” players NFL and mlb do it well
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@brianlocal3 you know that actually makes me sad that they just plop and mls team right on top of a usl team. Please continue to show love to your uls club
@brianlocal3
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia the club had to be disbanded completely unfortunately in order for CITY to come to fruition. I am one of the few who would have preferred to keep a usl team over MLS I also go to gateway grizzly games over stl cardinals. Something about the grassroots of it that makes it more enjoyable
@sevargas1
6 ай бұрын
It’s super expensive even compared to other better leagues.
@PatMcDonald41
Жыл бұрын
In England the glamour is in winning the league, but … the sheer, visceral drama is in the life and death fight to avoid relegation. How can a serious football league not have relegation and promotion? From the outside, football in the USA looks like rich men playing with money.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Thats what it looks like to me from inside America too haha
@Brookspirit
Жыл бұрын
Promotion and relegation are extremely important, i can't take a sport seriously that doesn't have it.
@49automedon
Жыл бұрын
Nice video dude -- I wanted to add that pro/rel will help attract audiences from smaller markets to the top-flight games. Also, the USL Championship (2nd tier) announced recently that they're playing inter-conference games in the regular season, keep adding new teams across their own closed pyramid with an endgoal of pro/rel, and allow much more individual branding/culture within teams. Detroit has a great fanbase, historically successful teams like Tampa Bay and Louisville draw in like 8k people per game, tons of teams are the only professional team in their city. USL Championship teams are also starting to recruit players from Europe, making big moves, as well as giving talented young players (Osundina, Kobi Henry, Wynder, Gomez, Gallegos). The leage is super competitive every year, playoffs seem more competitive, teams actually care about not placing bottom because of no draft, and there are some great rivalries! Very good option for American soccer fans, games are all on ESPN+ which is cheaper than apple TV or whatever MLS is on
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I really appreciate the feedback! I agree with you too. The USL for sure has a few of its own issues too but they do a great job with their product and at least making every club feel unique and attached to their communities better than the MLS. I really am curious to see how this could all look with an open pyramid. The USL is much more worth my time to pay attention to compared to the MLS just because the teams like Detroit and Tampa Bay. Also cant knock the teams like New Mexico United. They are doing a bunch of great things in that league!
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
Not in the U.S. We have the NFL, MLB, the NBA, College FB, the NHL, College BB to spend our time and attention on. My team having the possibility of getting "Relegated" is definitely not a selling point.
@49automedon
Жыл бұрын
@@davidday2373 Thanks for the response, dude! I hear your point. However, in my own experience as a Louisville City fan and Louisville resident, the soccer team is the only PROFESSIONAL sport in a city which probably deserves more -- the college basketball has great attendance, and we had an ABA basketball team back in the 70s. All in all, we're definitely a sports city, but never got the investment opportunity because we're only the ~50ish largest metro area, and big-time team investors don't like the idea of that. College sports are very much distinct from pro sports in my view, and are more than often supported much more casually (excluding major CBB/CFB rivalries, one of which is literally in my city). I'd like to focus more on the positive side of the pro/rel system first. I've seen our pro soccer team literally take over the town over the past decade through consistent success. If pro/rel was a thing, we would be in the MLS right now several times over. One of our local kids is the national team's brightest young prospects after he came up through our youth academy. Our already league-leading attendance would probably increase even more, the potential for our team to use MLS money to get star power would give tons more kids in Kentucky an idol, and the love of the sport would just do the city well. I think that the threat of relegation is scary for owners given the idea of decreased profits, and even the very slim chance of financial ruin (which is usually mostly the fault of faulty organizational setup anyways). It also demotivates fans of teams that are already secure with top-league teams. However, sometimes teams need a wake-up call to stop sucking. In American closed leagues, several teams over the years have not been faced with real risk, causing their fans and players to suffer. Also, taking the 17-week NFL schedule as an example, a team that's already eliminated from playoffs will often just slide for the last games of the season with little reward for trying to win. With the threat of relegation, less clout and less money, teams near the bottom actually give a damn about every game of the season. Also, since literally none of the other leagues will consider pro/rel systems anytime soon, it might be nice to have one sport that does it. If your team gets relegated, you have all the right to just watch more basketball instead, y'know? The important part of sports to me is the emotional connection between teams, players, and fans. That's the stuff people will remember for decades, that what inspires any sports fan's love of the game, and that's what a pro/rel system would facilitate for actual millions of people across the country. We all love underdog stories, we all love innovative teams, we all love good rivalries -- a non-meritocratic sports league doesn't help create these as well as a pro/rel might. Using the MLS vs. the USL as an example, the only really innovative team of the past few years has been Philly's moneyball/youth revolution. Every other team still does soccer the classic way, with little noticeable change to the formula. USL teams like Louisville, Tampa, Orange County, and San Antonio are all culturally unique, have unique brands and distinct play-styles, and are more well-run than most MLS teams (and dare I say have better, more special kits). If they could get promoted, the league's leading storyline will shift from: "another European pro retires in LA" or "Will Cincinnati suck for the 4th year in a row?" to "can this exciting new team kick in in the big league?" and "how will this relegated team, poorly managed and low on confidence, bounce back and try to refresh themselves?" All in all, I think the possibility of pro/rel would actually make the fan experince more interesting and rewarding, if a little more stressful, than the closed system we have today, and it wouldn't hurt to try with one sport with dozens of successful pro/rel systems abroad to use for reference.
@49automedon
Жыл бұрын
@@davidday2373 also, sorry for the giant essay. i have strong feelings on the topic and am also tend to ramble when sleep deprived hahaha
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
@@49automedon Better thought-out than most Pro-Rel people's arguments. But ultimately the juice is not worth the squeeze FROM A LEAGUE PERSPECTIVE.
@mheiseus
Жыл бұрын
The league is only 27 years old, we barely won our continents championship. It’s gonna grow but this takes time
@xiv1496
3 ай бұрын
As a football⚽️ fan from Cali who jumped on the MLS hype train after covid, I think the biggest reasons why MLS lack in TV viewership i think, is the lack of familiarity to the average American and how alienated it is from American culture. Then to American soccer fans the reason why people don’t watch it is due to its reputation as a league that shouldn’t be taken serious. I think a stronger presence in social media and in Hollywood (Netflix Show/documentary) can help, as if MLS gave Americans something to care about the sport and Americanize the sport brand the sport in our own way. Owned the sport, i think until then MLS could have more of a fighting chance against other leagues
@DynamicUnreal
Жыл бұрын
I agree with some things you said but I don’t agree that they should cut teams in the league. There is a market for a 40 teams in MLS, 20 in a Western Conference and 20 in the Eastern conference. I wish there was promotion and relegation to a lower tier but MLS is a closed system so it’s unlikely that it will ever happen unless the MLS creates the league below it themselves.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I guess the logic of cutting the league in half only works if you have pro rel. But i guess maybe 2, 20 team conferences with top 4 from each doing playoffs would be the next best thing
@samdryden7944
Жыл бұрын
So long as MLS has playoffs and no promotion/relegation, it's not a true soccer league.
@gregorybiestek3431
Жыл бұрын
@@samdryden7944 Relegation will not work in the USA. There are limited fan bases, TV & other media will refuse to provide any coverage and until there is a sufficient culture like that in other parts of the world (perhaps in 20-30 years) implementing relegation would mean the death of the American leagues. At the present, MLS depends entirely on wealthy individuals and media coverage to allow it to exist. If you are a fan from Europe, and you have interest in, say American lacrosse, how do you start a league where only a handful of people care about the sport, hardly any billionaires or millionaires want to fund your teams, and where the local media have no interest in covering your game? Right now, unless the local team is doing well, the local fans do not support it thru bad times which means with relegation a team does not get a chance to be better, it would just fold and within a couple of years the entire league. This has already happened three times already and MLS is so far, thanks to no relegation, been able to survive and grow.
@Krsto777
Жыл бұрын
As you mentioned, the lack of pro/reg really just saps the league of excitement. Obviously it's different in the top 5 European leagues because of the champions/europa leagues, but quite literally every position on the table is worth fighting for. Bottom 5 teams? Fighting relegation. Mid table? Fighting for European tournaments, top 6? Fighting for champions league/ the title. With the mls it's pretty much just qualify for playoffs. Not only that, but as you mentioned, teams who do not qualify are incentivized to do worse so they can get better draft picks.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Its for sure an odd predicament of American soccer. We are so young though, im sure we can find a way to provide a better competition. I also sort of regret just throwing “add pro/rel” in there as if its just such an easy task. But we can dream, hope for more, shoot for the moon. Nobody has ever been wrong for that. Lol
@Good100
Жыл бұрын
I'm convinced this is just something that is relevant to people who are already soccer fans. We have four other sports leagues on the continent that have proven models without pro/rel, and people find them plenty exciting, especially since there is actually a reasonable expectation that a team that gets the #1 pick will be in the playoffs before too long. The Bengals and Bills would have long since been relegated if the NFL had a pro/rel system, instead of playing each other in the quarterfinals.
@Krsto777
Жыл бұрын
@@Good100 I personality just think it's a better model for any sport in general. It promotes more competition for all positions on the table. In america its very much not a system owners of franchises want because it's super risky. Sure the model without pro/rel is proven in america, but that's because we haven't had any alternatives to the play off system. Do you know how much more interesting American sports would be if a minor league team had the opportunity to be promoted to the major leagues? It'd give people more of a reason to support their local teams.
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
Pro-Rel is not at all important. Who the hell actually "cheers not to lose"?!?!? That's silly. We have PLAYOFFS! Playoffs are infinitely more exciting. MOST OF THE LEAGUE is still invested late in the season in watching their teams, hoping to make the Playoffs, with a chance to still with the CHampionship. Pro-Rel, celebrates "Lets not be the biggest losers"... gotta be kidding me. That would never fly here in the U.S.
@deltaboy2011
Жыл бұрын
Probably with pro/reg is lower teams can't afford the financials of traveling a large country like the U.S. along with building a bigger stadium and so on.
@CTripodi1965
Жыл бұрын
The MLS fucked up by partnering up with Apple TV. No one is going to pay a ton of money we don't have just to watch our home team. Bad bad deal. Viewership WILL plummet, I guarantee it.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Idk what will happen with that, but I guarantee you the included memberships that come with the season tickets will be baked into those numbers. Trying to make it look better than it is. You know typical MLS things
@krotos6134
Жыл бұрын
Not having a second division is ridiculous. There is literally no punishment for being the bottom of the table.
@hyperrat12
Жыл бұрын
There are 2-5 divisions, and Mexico a couple of years ago also suspended pro/rel. What so many people around the world, and specifically Europeans don't understand is that you guys have had those teams and those leagues for over 100 years, I'm 29 and the MLS is younger than me. We have to have time for these fan bases to be built up before you can introduce something like promotion relegation, otherwise teams will just simply go out of business. No one's trying to go to El Paso for an away game at a stadium of 1.5 thousand people. People also forget how insanely large the United States is and how much travel costs here which makes it even more difficult for things like away fans. There's a lot that goes into the promotion relegation talk that European simply have just refused to acknowledge for so long
@DHW3008
Жыл бұрын
@@hyperrat12 the advantage to pro/rel is it means teams keep fighting until the end. Here you can't give up because if you do it could end in relegation. As a fan of a team who frequently flirts with relegation there's no feeling of relief like staying up. We were euphoric when we got promoted back to the EFL (after relegation the year before) and there's nothing like that in the MLS. You get rewarded for failure in US sports. You lost every game? Here's your #1 in the draft. I understand these teams need to be established but all it does is prevent NASL/USL teams having a reason to push. Also lack of pro/rel means there is no chance for a team to build itself up from nothing (as in a few friends start an amateur team and rise to the top) so the American Dream is impossible in football over there.
@hyperrat12
Жыл бұрын
@@DHW3008 My point being is, how old is your club, how much history does it have behind it, and if you get relegated will you go out of business?
@fishandsticks9339
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to America and it's cluttered, closed-system landscape! Also, there is a second division, as well as a third and fourth division. The leagues are closed, though.
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
LOL 😂... What good is having a "2nd division" for, Relegation? No other major league sports has that, or needs that. Why should MLS have it?
@Stewy-xw9fz
Жыл бұрын
To be honest with you, USL is a better run league than MLS. If USL can improve their stadiums and make them minimum 10,000 capacity and improve on their ESPN tv rights, they can become a real competitor to MLS.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100%. MLS is a gold covered shit sandwich as far as I am concerned. Looks awesome, but it will leave a bad taste in your mouth. USL is much much more pure and actually aims to include the nation at large in their soccer fun.
@Stewy-xw9fz
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia with MLS locked into that Apple deal, now is the perfect time for USL to go on offense. They need to get a big mega billionaire to invest in them and then they start to improve the stadiums and increase capacity. Then they sign a great tv rights deal with ESPN to play on Friday nights and eventually USL can move up to major league status. USL is a bottom up league as compared to MLS which is a top down league and that is why I like USL. USL gives the local kids opportunities.
@Slo-ryde
Жыл бұрын
A quick and easy remedy is to eliminate tie games… terrible to see 2 teams play for a tie in the last 10 minutes….put in PK or shoot outs!
@metalfuk69
Жыл бұрын
MLS is at its the best it's ever been. The games and teams are always getting better.
@kevinwilkins7851
Жыл бұрын
Which is why MLS has lost the CONCACAF CL 22 out of the last 23 years and regularly loses to Central American clubs.
@adamrafeedie1543
11 ай бұрын
lafc lets gooo
@davidday2373
4 ай бұрын
A year and a half since this video was posted, and MLS is even bigger and better. Some of these people just look for anything to complain about.
@johnconrad6263
Жыл бұрын
Ok The San Jose Eartquakes Seattle Sounders Vancouver Whitecaps Embraced Their Heritage But Teams Like The Dallas Fc Or Burn They Threw away Their History , Dallas Tornado But Thats another story and Your right All They Do IS Open Up a New Team Make them start fresh dislodge from the previous versions and cram it down our throat
@MarioSantos-zx4bj
Жыл бұрын
You could try playing Copa Libertadores, you know that playing against South America's big teams will give good publicity and they would have good competition to measure their clubs on a continental level
@Randy_Butternubs
Жыл бұрын
It is boring but just like the MLB, it's a way better environment when your there in person at the games live.
@kamui2970
Жыл бұрын
(Irei comentar em português porque me sinto mais a vontade) Não acho que a MLS tenha grandes problemas, mas não tem como lutar contra o tempo, uma cultura esportiva não vai surgir em tão poucos anos de liga, a liga vai melhorar conforme novos talentos regionais forem surgindo, e isso leva tempo para gerar um ambiente competitivo propricio pra isso. Mas, se eu fosse citar um fator que eu acho esquisito na MLS, o próprio formato da liga, temporada regular seguida de playoffs... eu sempre foi preferir um campeonato nacional de pontos corridos, e uma copa nacional baseada em playoffs, mas aí é gosto pessoal, os outros esportes americanos funcionam muito bem nessa formato, então não deve ser um problema.
@carlos_takeshi
Жыл бұрын
Desculpe-me se o meu Português será um pouco esquisito. Eu mudei para o Estado Unidos como criança, então não tenho educação em Português, somente em Inglês. Ao volta ao assunto, eu acho que se o MLS fosse se formando no começo do século XX, poderia usar as estruturas mais tradicionais nas ligas ao redor do mundo. Mas como, na realidade, existe mais de cento e cinquenta anos de história esportiva no país que funciona na moda de ter uma temporada que serve como qualificação para playoffs, acho difícil demais introduzir uma estrutura inédita. Especialmente para um esporte que não tem suporte em base popular. Na minha opinião, o MLS, vai continuar a maturar, e eventualmente vai chegar a ser uma das ligas bem respeitadas pelo mundo. Não ao mesmo nível de Inglaterra, Espanha, ou Itália, mais um nível inferior.
@kamui2970
Жыл бұрын
@@carlos_takeshi Concordo. Eu entendo que os fans da MLS fiquem animados com a possibilidade da liga rivalizar com as 5 grandes (isso se um dia conseguir). Por vários motivos, tanto por ser uma liga muito nova, tanto por motivos culturais. Estamos falando de ligas que ficam em países onde o futebol é importantíssimo. Primeiramente o interesse por futebol tem que aumentar na América do Norte, segundo, é necessário que uma quantidade de jovens se interessem pelo esporte para que entam gerem um cenário competitivo desde cedo. Na Europa e na América Latina, um menino começa a chutar uma bola mesmo antes de aprender a andar direito, e desde cedo joga contra outras crianças que tem a mesma criação. Isso é algo que vai além de investimento, por exemplo.
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
(Usei o Yandex Translate do Inglês para o português) esse é o simples facto. Está a levar tempo. MLS está indo muito bem no atendimento. Temos bons estádios novos, não muito grandes, perfeitos para a MLS. Muitas das novas equipas têm uma atmosfera animada nos estádios. A área em que a MLS precisa de crescer é em termos de audiência. O desenvolvimento dos jogadores não é onde a MLS pretende obter as suas receitas. Essa maneira de pensar é comum em outros países (e funciona para eles; Brasil, Argentina, Uruguai, etc), mas para a MLS nos EUA, trata-se de receita de TV/transmissão. (I used Yandex Translate from English to Portuguese) That is the simple fact. It is taking time. MLS is doing really well in attendance. We have nice new stadiums, not too big, perfect for MLS. Many of the newer teams have lively atmosphere in the stadiums. The area where MLS needs to grow is in viewership. Player development is not where the MLS aims to get its revenue from. That way of thinking is common in other countries (and it works for them; Brasil, Argentina, Uruguay, etc), but for MLS in the U.S., it's about TV/Broadcasting revenue.
@user-yf4gx9lw6c
8 ай бұрын
(Don’t speak Portuguese but I translated your comment) Even though I prefer the normal league method we use in most of Europe, I think MLS needs the play off system. Without play offs or relegation mid table teams have nothing to play for. Thnnka to the large number of play off spots it means that even teams that have no chance of coming first can still get something from the season if they can say they just scratched the play offs.
@kamui2970
8 ай бұрын
@@user-yf4gx9lw6c Entendo. Os playoffs dão a chances de times menos consistentes terem a chance de lutar por algo maior. Eu concordo com isso e sei que a existência dos playoffs é necessário. Mas levando em consideração o cenário Europeu/Latino americano como base, você tem a liga nacional (baseada em pontos) e as copas e campeonatos continentais decididas em playoffs. Mais troféus deveriam estar em jogo durante uma temporada, na minha opinião. Isso porque eu sinto que os times da MLS não se envolvem tanto em sua competição continental (concacaf) como vemos em outras regiões.
@SuperSirianRigel
6 ай бұрын
The Supporters Shield IS important. It's not for just one conference. It's for the whole league. That's one reason. The second reason is... The winner gets an automatic bid in the CONCACAF Champions Cup. Which is our Champions League. It's just that no one in America thinks about it because winning the regular season doesn't make you champion of the league in any of our other sports. lol.
@Shockwave0071
Жыл бұрын
here comes some fucking soccer! lol great line had me rolling.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
😎 its true tho
@chankongsun
Жыл бұрын
Make an supporter shield equal to EPL title. The MLS cup equal to league cup. And make an fa cup. Make an north american tier system like uk
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
We do have an FA cup equal. The mls teams just choose to make it irrelevant for themselves so its kind of a let off when a lower league gets to play an mls team
@FelipeCampelo0
Жыл бұрын
I bet that when they change the name to ML Football it’ll be 10x better.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
The NFL did not like that statement lol
@messynate
Жыл бұрын
Yea teams should be sponsored by different brands
@domenicdaluz1677
Жыл бұрын
Add promotion from and relegation to usl, its that easy, unfortunately Americans are too greedy
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I wish. Thatd be a phenomenal start
@jldch26
Жыл бұрын
The problem with that is the United States Soccer Federation has different requirements for teams depending on the tier they play in. A lot of USL teams would probably need more investments (and bigger stadiums) to meet the requirements put out by the federation for tier 1 teams.
@jldch26
Жыл бұрын
I say those requirements personally need to be scrapped and let teams be as big or small as they get and let them grow organically.
@domenicdaluz1677
Жыл бұрын
@@jldch26 but just open it up, teams in usl that get promoted will get more money just by being in the league, with time teams will have the chance to grow their team and fanbase, not saying it will be instant but it would be a step in the right direction
@domenicdaluz1677
Жыл бұрын
@@jldch26 also stadiums will be a limiting factor, maybe we could see a Atlanta united way of stadium sharing, like rowdies at Raymond James, and with time organic growth to teams will see more competition. But if we are looking at us soccer, we will see improvement with a more competitive league, but the whole draft mentality in sports here isn't helping, youth leagues not tied to school and better scouting will be nessisary
@ernestojohn3225
Жыл бұрын
New subscriber checking in, the MLS has come a long way, but I agree there’s still work to do. I’m a Galaxy fan and the games are entertaining especially when they play against LAFC.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!! And I’ve had a hell of a time at some MLS games. Glad that there are other fans of MLS who recognize that there are still bounds to be made in terms of progress. And over my life, MLS has honestly done some unimaginable progression. I just dont think we should sit and accept what they give us. Asking for more isnt always so bad
@ernestojohn3225
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia what is the closest MLS team from your town? I see that you’re a Manchester United fan. My Premier League team is Tottenham Hotspur. So far this season it hasn’t been the best, but maybe next season they might get better.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@ernestojohn3225 its a nearly even split between Dallas and Austin based on drive time. Austin is a much much better experience! And haha thats awesome word on the street is United is trying to get Kane on a transfer also spurs is a good choice. One of the only big 6 i dont hate lol
@ernestojohn3225
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia major loss for the Spurs if Kane leaves, but it’s understandable if he does leave. He is getting older and wants to add some silverware to his resume. I’ve also heard about Bayern trying to lure him as well. IMO, the PL is the most exciting European league to watch. I used to follow la liga but it got a bit boring seeing Real Madrid and Barcelona battling for the title all the time.
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
See you at the ROSE BOWL🌹 🏟... or are you part of the boycotting Supporters Groups??
@BootyToot47
Жыл бұрын
I’m American and I love the MLS.. grown exponentially since I’ve been a fan and will keep growing even more. Can’t wait for this season with the new Apple TV stuff
@larryfroot
Жыл бұрын
If you don't mind me asking, but from an American point of view, do you think promotion and relegation is possible or even desirable for MLS?
@davidday2373
4 ай бұрын
@@larryfroot Frankly, as a sports fan from the U.S., Promotion-Relegation is just strange.
@larryfroot
4 ай бұрын
@davidday2373 As a Brit, I find promotion and relegation to be essential in creating stakes, at both ends of the table. Games between two relegation threatened teams are as intense as a cup final. And teams in mid-table know that they are only a couple of losses away from being dragged into the mire, again creating pressure. We find the lack of promotion and relegation as strange as you find their presence!
@davidday2373
4 ай бұрын
@@larryfroot I would imagine so, but as a fan of a team in MLS, we constantly get lectured/pestered by people trying to sell us on the virtues of Pro-Rel... I doubt you get the same, the other way around (ex: "the British league should add Playoffs and a Salary Cap")
@larryfroot
4 ай бұрын
@davidday2373 A few years ago a franchise was created amongst some top European clubs. This was done in secret and then announced to the world. The idea lasted for about a week before being torn to shreds by the respective fan bases of each club.
@davidtoscanomedia8899
Жыл бұрын
They are providing the storytelling through the Apple TV required content, which will only be a good thing
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
We hope they will, it will be great if they do well. But it is unfortunate that you will be paying close to 20$ a month if you dont already have apple tv
@thomaswright5492
10 ай бұрын
The Apple situation has irritated me to no end. Seattle Sounder fan!
@joblaaa
Жыл бұрын
💯 totally agree with everything you’ve said. I’m an MLS season ticket holder and have been saying the same stuff for years. Teams desperately need more autonomy. I fell in love with soccer originally because of the culture and history around the world. It was easy to support my local team when they were introduced but it’s so challenging for the league to attract neutrals and local(traditional) sports fans.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Thats sorta how it seems to me. I go to the odd Austin fc game when i want to make the hike and they are fun. But i dont have a local team so i just stick to the pl mainly
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
Really, you agree with everything he said??? Having so many teams -- MLS expansion has added to the excitement, the quality, the viewership, and the significance of MLS. So having "too many teams" is not a problem at all. Having no Relegation is a POSITIVE for MLS. We have Playoffs, a much better more competitive system. Pro-Rel in the long-run, promotes a LACK OF PARITY in a league (less competitive). Attracting neutrals and other sports fans will come with the addition of bigger "star" names, see: the arrival of Messi "and friends". Mark my words: after the 2026 World Cup, MLS will grab-up "star" names from North America, like Pulisic, Alphonso Davies, the next Mexican star, etc.
@Jim-nt7xy
Жыл бұрын
Reason #1 is key. It's only a step up from watching the kids play.
@joshuahd1719
Жыл бұрын
It's getting better. Games are filling up. But the marketing needs to get better for it to be watched more on TV. Especially with the World Cup on the way. But they need to focus on getting younger hungry players.
@mgabriel225
Жыл бұрын
As a Romanian i watch the Romanian league wich has a worse football but god even if i want I can't bring myself to care about MLS it's like they are actively trying to stop me from enjoying it
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Im with you, supporting mls is like betting against your own intrest lol
@DynamicUnreal
Жыл бұрын
I think they should get rid the TAM, GAM, and DP and have a flat minimum spending floor and maximum spending cap. They could for instance set a minimum spending of 15 million per year and maximum spending of 30, and adjust that number yearly depending on revenue growth. This would give teams the freedom on whether they want to spend the money evenly on their roster or spend most of it on one big signing. And one thing they should absolutely do is to not be ashamed to promote their stars. Everyone knows the best players of the world are Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc. but you still have to promote and endorse your best players. Have pregame shorts/specials detailing how they grew up, what they sacrificed to get to where they are at, interpersonal and team rivalries, and showcase their talent to the viewers.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the financial regulations are just insane. Makes being a GM much harder than need be.
@Shock_Mike_Hawke
Жыл бұрын
The league format needs to change, let them have relegation and promotion.
@armandobrasil7880
Жыл бұрын
I’m a big fan of the MLS my only problem to name a few is too much lead control of the teams and the manufactured rivalries
@jeremyferrufino6849
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know man I just can’t get into European soccer. I’ve watched EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, and Serie A. I’ve had a favorite team in each of those leagues but the connection I feel to DC United is on a total other level. Maybe cause they are my local team and the league just seems much more like other American sports leagues. I love having two conferences and I love playoffs. This is what I’m familiar with. Although I would like to see Pro/Rel eventually because honestly you do see some quality soccer from USL and NISA. If I’m being honest Wrexham is doing a great job of showing us what we miss with Pro/Rel. But to be fair, we need the second and 3rd divisions and even the open divisions to have a level of sustainability before that happens.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, and i also think we are not able to just flip the pro rel switch and its all sunshine and rainbows. We would have to do a LOAD of work to make it happen. Across the entire ussf and soccer landscape. I also am willing to bet one of the big reasons you are so connected to dc united over the European leagues is nothing compares to the game that you can go watch live. And the mls actually has been really really good about making great experience for those in the stadium for the most part. I think a big part of the pro rel drive comes from people who are forced to support their team thru a screen either way because they dont have mls in their hometown and pro rel soccer is just more fun when thats the case… also i think we sre in an interesting chicken and egg situation because without pro rel it is very very hard for the lower leagues build out decent infrastructure. It works in all the places where there are just loads of people. But as you scale down it gets harder and harder to develop the bottom of the pyramid when all the money and intrest is being focused on 29 cities across the country
@mouhamedaminelaksiri7318
Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact:MLS title is actually more competitive than Bundesliga,Ligue 1 and Serie between 2012-2021 Combined
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
That couldn’t be farther from a fact. Its also artificially induced.. If my aunt had a beard shed be my uncle.
@Lucas6l5
Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling Michael Jordan will change the adidas kit problem lol I'm almost certain Charlotte's team with have Jordan kits like PSG
@mahiru20ten
Жыл бұрын
I don't think single kit suppliers is a problem. They could've done what the NBA did with the different versions of the team's kit. That league also had one company supplying their kits, namely Nike. You know, the different alternate jerseys (City, Statement and such)
@darkneozio
Жыл бұрын
It is funny to see how different from the world are american sports and rules. In general, Europe loves to make rules simple and reward consistency ( a league with round-robin format with pro/rel) and US prefer more complex rules but no pro/rel.
@Hide_and_Tweak
Жыл бұрын
the financial structure of the league does not allow for a relegation system because teams have to pay to be in the MLS.
@ryritchey12
Жыл бұрын
I'm your random Ajax fan in america ( I know, uncommon). I hope the best for the MLS but as you said, lack of competition. I would like to add, now this does happen in europe, albeit on a different scale, politics. I feel like MLS teams try to push different political agendas and it just in nature feels very left wing. Something with me is when I watch sports I do not want different political messages shoved down my throat. I get it enough in my day to day life. It is partly why I don't watch the NFL as much anymore, it is boring and the political stuff gets annoying.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! haha
@nicolaiagger7240
Жыл бұрын
I randomly stumbled upon your channel, and I’m incredibly surprised by the quality of editing in this video, along with your commentary. Definitely deserves a sub 👍
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate it! Been working to try and just make better quality videos more than anything. Glad you liked it 😁
@josephomundson5234
Жыл бұрын
Making it so nobody can watch the games is surely going to help!
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Yeah as long as they get to fill the stadiums at inflated ticket prices, sell overpriced merch, and generally ruin everything good about theb sport they are happy
@donfrossa1432
Жыл бұрын
MLS should be 16 teams each conference, 30 Regular conference and 4 Inter conference games, the inter conference games should be position matched from last season, Example top 4E 🆚 top 4W, the conference winner should be the team that finished 1st 🥇 in each conference in regular league play, this would make every match very important, the playoffs should be a 16 team 4 groups of 4 UEFA Champions League or World Cup format.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting take, ive honestly never though of a format like this. For sure leans into the American model over europe. Which seems worse than it is. Logistics of not splitting it east and west is kinda nuts
@donfrossa1432
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia Facts, This format is basically a US/European hybrid, regular season games needs to be more important, not just playoff or decision day games, the 4 Inter conference games could be turned into another competition as well during regular season.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@donfrossa1432 yeah its a lovely refresher to hear another opinion that’s actually trying to think about a creative way to overcome the challenges that are unique to here
@donfrossa1432
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia thanks man, we will continue to try, hopefully they will listen.
@gracielynn9623
8 ай бұрын
Lionel Messi watched this video and said hold my beer…
@wanr5701
Жыл бұрын
Put promotion-relegation system with other leagues, and the stage will be set for massive interest and growth!
@raidspadel
Жыл бұрын
Activate relegation system would be easiest thing to do right now, at least that would make it more thrilling for everyone
@1donjuego
9 ай бұрын
American's don't hate MLS. Eurosnobs do.
@chasebance5070
Жыл бұрын
A yes now we have to pay 100 dollars just to watch the mls now thanks to Apple TV
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
"BuT tHeY nEeD MoRE MoNEy"
@thierryhenry6724
Жыл бұрын
Morty has really grown up
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Oh geez….
@LordMcGuire
Жыл бұрын
They're trying to be like the NFL instead of copying the Prem or La Liga. Very hard to "Americanize" a European sport, without using some aspects of the European template
@shane9956
11 ай бұрын
More issues with MLS, awful seats, expensive food and even water, parking or access to facilities, owners don't care about the game, basically its all about profit not to build a beautiful game. Basically MLS wants to trick you to love thier team. This is from someone who loves soccer.
@quetzalcoa
Жыл бұрын
I think they need to decide whether they want to go fill American or to embrace the European model. It could never compete with European leagues with a salary cap since that naturally spreads talent around (Unless you bring in enough money so that the cap is that high)
@davidsevillano2509
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with this video. When I do want to watch MLS. First thing is the pitch. I hate there playing on crappy artificial turf. Makes the game look amateur. Second is the uniforms. No style. Everyone looks the same. Monopoly on kits.
@mikexstad1121
Жыл бұрын
The marketing, jerseys, so many other things. I was a huge fan of MLS, my city even got a team, one promoted from NASL even. I had season tickets for years. Just decided that I don't really care anymore. MLS wants to mirror the NFL, which treats its fans as stupid cattle to eat up everything in front of them. I literally don't care anymore and I was a diehard fan at one point
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Yeah man, just follow a usl club if one is nearby. I promise its a better and more in touch experience. If not, try to find npsl or something they can be tons of fun too. But yes. This is why i am more of a fan of the prem. These exact reasons haha
@javiojeda521
5 ай бұрын
Pro-Rel won’t work in American professional sports. This is because American pro sports have monopolized the professional sports world so much that if Pro-Rel was implemented it would mean fianacial collapse for many teams that get relegated. Particularly at the lower levels. There just isn’t that same level of infrastructure to support it. However, Pro-Rel could absolutely work in college sports. They have the infrastructure, the fan support/loyalty, etc. And I think there wouldn’t be the same level of financial strife since the colleges back the teams and fans are used to the Cinderella runs of NCAA.
@wraithwraith3291
Жыл бұрын
You can thank Adidas for the generic look since they're the only sporting company that produces kits for all clubs.
@andh2627
Жыл бұрын
Maybe not calling Americans who tend to watch European leagues as "Euro Snob" would be a start to win them over to watch some games in MLS. I have even seen big media personalities use this term on social media. Promotion/Relegation would open up the pyramid to every single community in this country and would be a motivating reason for those who don't have a MLS team near by to watch since their own community team has a chance to play in MLS. It would also increase the intensity in the league always playing for something. Attacking play has improved in MLS and keep developing the technical play and flair players would be entertaining to watch.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
This seems like an easy concept to understand, unless you are someone who is a diehard fan of a MLS club. Also i think one of the BEST parts of soccer is the almost magical sense of possibilities. I mean, your kept glued to the end of a 0-0 in most cases because of the prospect that someone COULD knick a winning goal. I think the same idea goes for the plight of a club, the fans are attracted to the club on a human element. The possibilities, the highs and lows. Sure it sucks to be relegated and release staf, etc. However it heightens the stakes to something very real, on a human level. Edit: this is part of the reason im more attracted to USL clubs. Because im not from a MLS market, i feel more attached to the usl story than mls
@bubba842
11 ай бұрын
If a team gets relegated, it should have no effect on fan passion. If you turn your back on your team because they got relegated then you are not a true fan. The revenue will change, but that should in no way inhibit you from filling a stadium, if you already did in a higher league. This glory hunting is one of the biggest problems with sport in America. In a passionate die hard Man Utd fan and have been since I was young enough to remember. If they got relegated I would in no way choose not to support them because it is in my blood. Having this attitude is the main reason why many fans in North America cannot build a passion or grass roots identity around their clubs. North American fans are always after the next best thing.
@elicarlson7682
11 ай бұрын
I love the MLS.
@shawnevans26
Жыл бұрын
Not all Americans hate MLS!! I’m an American and I love MLS!! I’m a huge Orlando City Soccer fan!!!
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t say all.. haha i know there are some die hards for sure.
@Brookspirit
Жыл бұрын
In the USA sport is a product, and having the franchise system is awful. It's a closed shop so the owners are protected, it's a really bad way to run a sport.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Yeah i agree.
@Lobags1984
Жыл бұрын
I prefer watching the MLS over some other smaller leagues the footballs really good quality and there’s some really good players
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_
7 ай бұрын
Couple things here. 1. The US can't be compared to any of the 5 top leagues in Europe because the country is the size of all of Europe to begin with. Travel is in itself a nightmare and having an East/West conference solves this issue outside of tournaments. 2. The USL isn't in a position to be a second tier league. There is no way in hell a team like Inter Miami, with it's stars and stadium would be playing away games at a local community college. The infrastructure needs to be built and those teams need academies. 3. The biggest wedge between the average fan/non-fan and the MLS is national coverage. Period. They don't speak about it on national networks, local sports radios don't even cover the league a lot of the time. To them, it's a new sport. They grew up with the big 4 being the ONLY thing that matters and to them, the rest of the country must feel the same way. There is a lot of buzz in my city who's the 30th expansion team. (SD). Which is already a huge soccer town. I think that with time a lot of USL teams who are in smaller cities will invest in their future with hopes of future pro/rel but US soccer needs to make it clear what this path forward will look like. At some point, the league will have to release ownership rights for this system to work. Until that happens, it's impossible for it to work.
@DubTuck002
Жыл бұрын
No star power and or major sponsorships for the players
@jldch26
Жыл бұрын
Supporters Shield guarantees you a spot in Champions League so that's basically the only thing that makes it important, especially considering the teams don't play every team each season. I wouldn't consider myself a MLS fan, however I am a NYCFC supporter (hold a season ticket holder, travel to away games and am involved in the supporters scene), but outside NYCFC, I don't really watch MLS. I would like an open system but that's something USSF needs to enforce, which they don't cause MLS makes them too much money.
@oscarlugo5765
Жыл бұрын
You team is getting regulated for breaking ffp rules
@jldch26
Жыл бұрын
@@oscarlugo5765 Fulham haven't broken any FFP rules so no my team isn't getting relegated for that, or in general.
@hvaldi31
Жыл бұрын
They need to relax on the designated player rule. It’s ridiculous at this point it exist.
@davidday2373
4 ай бұрын
They've added even more TAM and given teams more flexibility to spread the Payroll around.
@yaserkhalid4867
Жыл бұрын
I want more knockout football for me to watch... I only watch the playoffs
@yaserkhalid4867
Жыл бұрын
@Simulator and Andriod Gaming with Michael Jones why? I'm not arguing I just want to know.
@neastsports1408
Жыл бұрын
The Problem with MLS which by the way still an MLS Fan. They need to tap into the untapped Markets through Promotion/Relegation allow Midsize U.S. Cities a chance at MLS and also allow 2-3 Teams springing up in Major Cities to beef up Cross City/Crosstowm Rivalries. MLS has lots of potential for Growth but with their Current System they're limited meaning they can only reach a Certain Height or Limit and that's it. Pro/Rel can really expand MLS past those limitations and also help expand U.S. Pro Soccer as a whole because your tapping into every Community and giving them a Chance at the Big Stage.
@xaviercopeland2789
Жыл бұрын
Relagation would just mean that those small cities will never get into the big leagues. The bigger cities have all of the best people and many times more money,
@neastsports1408
Жыл бұрын
@@xaviercopeland2789 How is that when you have some USL Championship Teams that play better than some MLS Teams?
@davidcarriker6522
Жыл бұрын
Name of the league is about "baseball" not soccer. That is weak...
@facts2676
10 ай бұрын
MLS teams having academies and from there promoting their best players makes the draft lose meaning since the best players are not really there, but rather boys who did not find a place on the MLS next pro team and went to try out. good luck in college leagues
@simonhimself1
Жыл бұрын
The schedule is always a nuisance. The only good part of apple is the centralized element to it. But i wish most games were sat/sun at 1pm EST.
@felicianogarcia5536
Жыл бұрын
Pleas make more videos on the MLS, loved this video, just subscribed
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Ohh dont worry, i have a bunch planned. Only problem is i got a bit too perfectionist on the next one so its taking me forever. Hopefully that means its good. Still learning this new skill lol I appreciate the feedback though.
@declangaming24
Жыл бұрын
Add promotion and relegation so other American teams in lower Teirs can get promoted
@riccorich
Жыл бұрын
Nice on paper but PR on benefits lower Division teams which can drain MLS here in the US because there isn't strong money In Soccer here
@declangaming24
Жыл бұрын
@@riccorich honestly having promotion and relagation benefits your league the weak teams go down new teams from the USL rise up to take there Place the bottom 2 in each conference for example DC and Toronto from the Eastern conference would go down same with san jose and houston dynamo.
@riccorich
Жыл бұрын
@@declangaming24 regardless the Bottom teams suck so there is no appeal, and when the lower teams replace them, they'll still Suck until they start winning, again this is not a grand thing on this side of the globe. u make the playoffs, that's the standard
@declangaming24
Жыл бұрын
@@riccorich I get what are saying but it would freshen up the league a playoff is meant for your lower division teams or up in Scotland or Belgium the playoffs in them leagues determine who stays up, who wins the league or who gets European spots. In MLS you need promotion /relagation as teams from the USL league 1 could pull miracles and go to MLS. the bottom 4 MLS teams go down but may come straight back up in football or soccer as you call it in the US its not about buying a spot in the league it's the passion although it's not a popular sport in America the consequences of a MLS going down to the 2nd teir would involve a rebuild so MLS would give them parachute payments to help like a extra $5M the relegation clauses in some players contracts would allow them to leave should they choose to.
@peppitachips1764
Жыл бұрын
They need to stop buying players who already have carriers we want home grown home towns heroes I rather see one of my own be successful on a top level then someone who has already been there
@hyperrat12
Жыл бұрын
For me the whole promotion relegation thing just isn't realistic yet because there isn't enough of a want for a second division in the US. And I know we have the USL in all those other divisions underneath the MLS but they just don't generate the attention that any MLS team does. It's like this all over the US with every sport, they all have minor league teams, but those teams rarely generate more than a thousand fans per game, and on top of that their wages are absolutely minuscule. If an MLS team goes down and is paying players anything more than a couple thousand a week, that team is going to go bankrupt and not exist anymore. The league is just simply too young for it right now, just think of 25 years after the first teams in England were formed, it took a long time for other teams to be made to where enough competition could generate interest as well as profits to allow for promotion and relegation
@bubba842
11 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, this style of league becomes a victim of its own success. Having a top league that does not have promotion or relegation bleeds money out of other leagues. You monopolise the league, have all the best players in the one league, which takes away any interest from lower leagues. This is why the European Super League was so vehemently opposed. If created it would no doubt suck all the money out of domestic European Leagues and no doubt cause bankruptcies for certain clubs. The MLS is getting bigger and this franchise system will not be able to support more than 40 teams. Fans like local rivalries and identities. The single owner model is destroying any potential creation of an identity in teams. As you said copy and pasting only makes teams feel sterile. Partnering up with the USL and the Canadian Priemier league is a perfect option. Having a 2 or three leagues with promotion and relegation and removing the stranglehold of the franchise system will bring a more grass roots system. Most MLS fans love the European Leagues. Most don't like the normal American sports. They love the European Leagues because of the grass roots passion. That passion is not compatible with a franchise system. The people want a more European and South American style of league. Give them it.
@EannaWithAFada
Жыл бұрын
I don't know why they play all their games at the same time, no wonder nobody watches the MLS on TV, the games are all over by the time the team you support has played. in Ireland our games are all at the same time, but the league of Ireland is a semi-professional league with almost no TV coverage, so to play all the games on a Friday night actually improves attendances, in the MLS I don't know why they wouldn't spread the games out over a weekend like every other big league
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
They do similar things at the amature levels here. And yeah they would be doing themselves a massive favor buy throwing a few more midweek games in the season
@ronsal5968
Жыл бұрын
Slightly misleading title. They don't all hate MLS. For a league that doesn't even have a 30 year history it's actually done quite well and has grown since the early days of breakaway penalty shootouts. To be fair, the amount of competition in the country is quite strong going up against the NBA, MLB and NFL depending on the time of year. Also, the fact that it's not even a top 5 league in the world and is still able to draw strong crowds is pretty impressive. I don't see 21k average attendance as people hating it. Sure, the TV numbers haven't been there, but there has been a positive increase year over year excluding the COVID years.
@nilocastellano
Жыл бұрын
You need a salary cap to make it pretty even.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
I think it for sure could be in place, just needs to be raised. And simplified lol there is alot of complications with MLS roster regulations
@scotttild
Жыл бұрын
Soccer, Hockey, MLB just don’t translate well to TV unless you are a die hard and really into that spot. They will never draw the causal fan like the NFL does.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
That actually is potentially an incredibly valid point. And i dont think ive heard that one yet either. Hard to tell for soccer because i love it and not much of a fan of baseball at all. But with the NHL i always remark about how id love to go. But can rarely watch it on tv for more than 20 mins
@NibanoTransmontano
Жыл бұрын
MLS is an interesting football leage tbh
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
To be fair. For me its not the same. Its like sn entirely different sport in mls. Not a fan personally. They ruin it.
@JacksonS44
Жыл бұрын
I just like MLS for the fact that I can wear my local teams jersey without seeming like I’m posing as a European. As a North Carolinian, I can wear my Charlotte FC jersey without feeling weird about it.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Now i feel like thats a huge part of it. It would be much much easier to love MLS or even just follow it. If I had a local club, there is no better team than the one you can support at home. Im lucky to have Austin FC a few hours away. But still cant regularly go to the games or call them “my local club”
@amrf5335
Жыл бұрын
I Love football and I hate the MLS for calling itself soccer…. La honte… the US should step back and cancell it and do the test of the world a favour.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Blame england, the invented the word. Shipped it to their colonies, then switched its name to just “football” to be in line with the elitist in London.
@tblakemusic
Жыл бұрын
I think one of the biggest issues with MLS is how they’ve modeled the league after other American sports instead of using the widely known and accepted European formats. East and West conferences, playoffs, a draft (don’t even know how this works lol) etc etc. If MLS would merge with USL and other feeder leagues I think it would be a win for everyone involved. The threat of relegation and/or the possibility of promotion gives teams something to fight for. I do think there’s an argument to be made for salary caps, because it helps the competition be more even across the board. But I’m not sure this is entirely necessary, since you can watch a weekend or Premier League and all kinds of upsets are happening. Not sure on the best compromise here (maybe we could incorporate something similar to FFP?) All in all I would love for MLS to gain more attention and appreciation, and to ultimately give us beautiful football to watch. There’s so much potential here and the interest in the sport has skyrocketed in recent years. Great things ahead for MLS I hope!
@Embargoman
8 ай бұрын
If the MLS does what the NBA, and NFL does, then yet having all options and not only for the Spanish speaking community in the US showinf games in Univision, but to add FOX on the mix I bet you'll see some MLB teams leaving towns for example the Miami Marlins and yet all the InterMiami games having access for everyone and the MLS Cup Final show on FOX, then InterMiami wins with Messi, and all could lead with the lower viewership of the MLB on TV, then Messi hold his first MLS Cup Champiomship for Miami then after that afte InterMiami wins all the MLS Cup titles; Lionel Messi comes at Loan Depot Park to say the final good by at the last Marlins baseball game, then the Marlis packed their bags for Montreal and change their name to the Montreal Expos. That is what will be the effect of well promoting the MLS.
@geovanyvasquez3871
Жыл бұрын
First time seeing this channel, love it already
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
You are greatly appreciated! Much much more to come! (: These comments really inspire me to keep going!
@mlssoccer96
Жыл бұрын
I’m a Seattle Sounders fan...I think mls is good , not superb, but good . A lot better than the first few years of the league’s birth in 1996.
@antman8887
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but I pretty much disagree with you right down the line...1) USA doesn't "hate" MLS -- MLS out-draws both the NBA and NHL. The TV ratings aren't there because there has not been a quality package presented by broadcasters. Hopefully the new deal with Apple TV will change that. 2) A promotion / relegation system with no salary cap doesn't add excitement; quite the contrary, it all but guarantees that the same (meaning richest) teams will win the championship year after year - and the winner has been decided, frequently, weeks before the season ends. MLS awards the Supporter's Shield to the team that has the best regular- season record, and MLS Cup to the team that survives the knockout rounds that are the playoffs. The result of this arrangement? Something like 15 different teams have won MLS Cup in a time span in which only seven have won the Premier League's championship. 3) The stuff about the jerseys all being white?? Have you actually looked at an MLS jersey recently? They are every color of the rainbow, plus some colors rarely found in nature - from pink to gold to luminescent green. If anything, they are possibly a bit over-the-top when it comes to color schemes. Going to leave it there. Good luck with the podcast, but I would watch a few more MLS games before you comment on the league again.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Yes, obviously the MLS does a great jobs for the most part like i said. Sorry the salacious title got to you. They do have issues though. As for the jersey’s, they have improved a ton. But that is a recent phenomenon. Just a few years ago away jerseys were the same stitch with different badge and accent.. Pro/rel is amazing nearly everywhere that has it. And I think America has potential to be the best example, not sure we are there yet but there are many examples of how this keeps things incredibly exciting OUTSIDE of the first 29 markets that paid enough money to be apart of the pro soccer clique. Supporters Shied is still an odd award and deserves an * since the team that won it did not even have the same schedule as the one who didn’t…. Not saying alot of this stuff didnt come from place of good reason. But we should always be looking to improve our pyramid and look to include all markets in a linear competition with sustainable sized division to allow each team to play each-other. Edit: sorry for the typos, writing this in from the phone haha
@Good100
Жыл бұрын
@@worldymedia The 29 in the clique are there because the ones outside couldn't have the money to afford the logistics of the schedule in the first place. Local SC is not going to be able to hop over from Chicago to New York the way Local FC can hop over from North London to the other side of London.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@Good100 this is the type of conflicts i was speaking of. There is much much more to all of this than “these clubs could afford it, and those clubs cant”
@davidday2373
Жыл бұрын
1) Thats true for Average Attendance, not in TV Viewership... 2) Pro-Rel is just a revolving door of mediocrity, adds nothing to MLS success... 3) You can tell these critics of MLS are just grasping as straws, complaining about "jersey colors"?? LOL
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
@@davidday2373 My brother, you must have zero perspective of this game outside of your shiny new mls stadium. Please realize this game has been played for hundreds of years, before the mls came about. They are for sure not the end all be all of this game. The clear issue with your perspective is you are thinking ONLY what is good for the MLS and not what is good for US Soccer as a whole. And every club and every soccer community around the nation. Outside of the 29 biggest ones. And before you say it, i know MLB has figured out how to do it with their tiered system. And that’s exactly what every soccer fan would like to avoid. Pro/rel provides the solution where every team from every community can win the title in the top division. Regardless of probability it is possible while it is not otherwise.
@MarvelJesus10005
Жыл бұрын
I think the first step is to allow the “owners” be owners because the reality all the teams are owned by the MLS. The owners are really just investors. Yes this structure helped keep the teams from folding, for the most part. Now decades later the teams are making money
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Next video… ^^
@MikeP2055
Жыл бұрын
Now make a video about the positives of having MLS around. Like how, as an American, it's ALWAYS soccer season! Waking up early on Boxing Day to watch the EPL fixtures in your new Christmas jammies, or taking the train to the soccer-specific stadium for a sunny summer Independence Day RSL match and some fireworks. I don't know why my examples were both holiday themed, ha! But you get what I'm saying. And based on your reply to the pinned comment, I think we're on the same page. Take care, mate. ✌️
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
Haha yeah its not ALL bad. Im in texas so screw the summer season though. Night games are 93 degrees😂
@TheBobafettmaster
Жыл бұрын
I don't know where you are from but up in the Northwest we have a strong history since the 70s and the popularity is as strong as ever
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
MLS has only been around since 96’ and i dont live too far from one of the founding franchisees. 70s is not mls. And as I understand things worked alot differently in those days
@timothyhenneghan7271
Жыл бұрын
Combine Liga MX with MLS. USA vs Mexico has been one of the most heated international rivals in football, having their leagues directly in competition with each other is sure to produce a lot of results.
@worldymedia
Жыл бұрын
As entertaining as this sounds. The travel would be KILLER. Imagine NYCFC to Guadalajara. Haha
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