When talking about the death penalty, ignoring any moral objections, it is important to remember the justice system is not perfect. Innocent people have been put on death row and have been put to death. Then we find out they didn’t do it. There is nothing you can do to undo or make up for killing someone.
@heliosfromacrossastar878
4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s different for me on a emotional and theoretical level. Theoretically, I am very pro rehabilitation and treatment if necessary. But on a emotional level, I have seen quite some criminals with serious crimes (murder, rape, sexual abuse of minors) get ridiculously low sentences such as 3-5 years. To me it feels like it’s really good our justice system is focused on really making a difference rather than getting revenge, but sometimes it skips too quickly over the emotions and pain of the victims or their loved ones. On an individual level I wouldn’t sweat the small stuff, but I would absolutely revenge a loved one if they were seriously hurt.
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
3 жыл бұрын
Those serious offenders should be rehabilitated once they get in prison because without it and they get out they'll start committing crimes once again.
@JDdr86
Жыл бұрын
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 Yeah, I think they should be healed (rehabilitated), and made whole, for the sake of it. Good for goodness sake, is the only thing that matters, or at least that's what I'm willing to bet my life on.
@TheNamesIsabella
4 жыл бұрын
I personally think harsh punishments on violent crimes really prevents crime. If people knew that if you drive drunk and you get caught you would get your hand cut off your probably not going to drive drunk, but when the only punishment is sitting a night in jail and a slap on the wrist, people dont take it seriously when you purposely put yourself in a position that could lead you to harming/killing yourself and others.
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
3 жыл бұрын
I think the fundamental problem with your approach and the American mindset is that you view human prison treatment as something to be EARNED. I see this logic apply to terrorism as well. Americans will say a terrorist does not "deserve" a proper Court. I think you get it all 180 degrees wrong. It is for SERIOUS criminals you need this approach more than anything else. If a crime is very serious you need to make sure you get the right person. A court system is not a disposable luxury. Likewise when you imprison really screwed-up people you need MORE than other times to have a system that rehabilitates them. A violent person needs Rehabilitation more than of somebody who cheats on taxes, because of consequence of him/her not being rebuilt in by the time they are out of prison is far more severe. I see from your thinking that you are very focused on whether you can feel compassion for the "criminal" or not as a deciding factor. You should not let the motion design the prison system. You should focus on goals. The goals is to rehabilitate the criminal as fast as possible so that he / she does not hurt people in the future and can be a productive citizen, paying their taxes and contributing to society.
@bawarriner
9 ай бұрын
the entire conversation presumes that we can ever be certain of someone's guilt. consider the likelihood of having a justice system that isn't corrupt. isnt incompetent. isn't infallible.
@Demonoicgamer666
Жыл бұрын
The justice system should give them jobs so they don’t feel they need to reoffend.
@troyobrien4844
3 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty casual conversation. Less than point one of a percent is one-in- a thousand. Either you don’t you remember that data or you were distracted will reading it. Murder or Child Offending of course. How about rapists? Grievous assault? Hostage takers? Repeat violent offenders? And yeah dude, it’s called remand
@aylaedwards2968
4 жыл бұрын
I think in certain situations an eye for an eye should be a punishment i.e when it comes to the disgusting things that some do to children and elderly
@88feji
8 күн бұрын
Sure, the justice system is not perfect to stop wrong executions (which are rare in fact). BUT the same justice system is also not perfect in rehabilitating murderers to stop them from murdering innocent people AGAIN after being release by rehab officers who are imperfect in their judgement. The number of innocent lives lost by re-offending murderers is hundred of thousands of times higher than number of wrong executions, mind you. I think its safe to say that most people wants a justice that makes society safer to reduce overall murders over preventing that future potential one or two wrongly executions.
@gemmaweber4115
4 жыл бұрын
I had a respectful rant/tangent that I deleted 😅 I'm very pro rehabilitation for non violent crimes and possibly violent crimes that were not premeditated but as a consequence of a theft or something gone wrong or an accident. Even first offenses of violent crimes I have a bit of leniency...But like, the second or third time you rape someone or if you're caught for more than one murder or actually the first time you're found with child porn or molesting a kid...yeah, no mercy from me. My emotional and rational sides are aligned when I think we Canadians should have a deep well where we stick those ppl after they are found guilty, big rock covers the entrance hole and we don't ever think of those ppl again...gruesome I know, esp when you think of the food situation...srry, I'm not lobbying to change our corporal punishment laws in Canada, but I hate when ppl bring up the humanity of criminals who commit terrible acts when those very criminals didn't care or got off on the pain/suffering they caused someone else. I'm not saying an eye for an eye in every situation or even the majority, and I know the cases I'm thinking of are far and few between, but that's the point. At some point it becomes clear that a person is a danger and will commit a terrible act against someone if released or if they escape, and I hate to think that my tax money pays for their upkeep (and security when there is a simple basically costless solution). My brother makes fun of my position by using his Russian accent and being like: "the rope pays for itself after 2 uses" but yeah, I'm very cost conscious here XD. I hate that I pay for Paul Bernardo's and other Canadian serial killers and serial rapists food and board and I'd love to have a criminal justice system that includes more preventative measures and support for people after they are released and whatever measures we need to reduce recidivism: those measures would likely pay for themselves in savings and helping someone become a productive member of society. So yeah, I'm very justice oriented on one end but I balance that with rehabilitation. Also does anyone here think we should be allowed to throw whatever foodstuffs we want at domestic abusers (who have to have "abuser" tattooed on their foreheads or somewhere else, I'd hate to think I'd ever get involved with someone who was an abuser of someone and didn't tell me until I become a one-time-only victim). Idk. I live in a nice neighbourhood and woke up one Sunday to my neighbor in an ambulance and her husband being escorted into a police car. We all know why. I've seen him once since but idk why I'm not allowed to throw stuff at him and yell abuser at him...prob bc I'm not sure if he 100% did what I'm 99% certain he did... Tattoos ppl. Only for abusers and probably those sex offenders who are legally obligated to tell ppl they are...saves time really and then we can tell our kids they can talk to strangers, as long as those strangers don't have a tattoo on their forehead...good idea? I think so :) But on a more serious note, focusing purely on rehabilitation in egregious cases minimizes the significance if the emotional trauma on the victim and/or their families if they were killed. And I hate that. I hate to think that if someone seriously hurt my child or family or myself in unspeakable ways, I and other parents/family members might not go to the police if they knew who did it, bc our justice system focuses more on criminal rights than the rights of the victim's. I'd hate to think that in order to get justice in those cases someone might have to sully themselves or risk their own freedom even though they'd never intentionally hurt someone in regular circumstances. I think the justice system should make allowances for serious justice when it is warranted (but not for locking people in jail for decades, like who thought that was justice?) again, violent crimes repeatedly committed or egregious crimes against a person or persons. And otherwise we should focus those cost savings on crime prevention and education/job training and after school programs or whatever else reduces crime and makes ppl feel safe or better members of the community! :D
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
3 жыл бұрын
What I can tell it seems your Rehabilitation serious offenders isn't enough or isn't fully effective because well you guys haven't fixed the poverty problem, the mental illness problem, and gave middle-class people more job opportunities or if they come from a bad upbringing. this is why Norway is considered the best prison system in the world not just because Rehabilitation is successful but they also fixed those other problems that I mentioned.
@karencostanzo2906
4 жыл бұрын
An ey efor an eye leaves the whole world blind.
@marlowstanfield6815
2 жыл бұрын
So if someone murderers your child you think they should be able to live their lives normally? Thats fair..
@88feji
8 күн бұрын
Why would whole world be blind ... just because evil gets a taste of its own medicine ? Old sayings are not always wise.. A better saying would : eye for eye makes whole world safer.
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