We were promised a better alternative to the seasonal model in the form of episodes. What we got was the seasonal model again but with more time gating
@sequoia7284
Ай бұрын
Better? No, just a different narrative model
@bannedmann4469
Ай бұрын
Yup! Bungo lied again, and no one is surprised.
@fireburn247
Ай бұрын
@@sequoia7284What is different
@timnelson3431
Ай бұрын
I don't know what people thought it would be. The idea that it would be different because it' episodes and acts seemed kinda silly to me. That was probably the most ridiculous thing, calling it now "episodes". So now we have 200 items to claim in your "battle pass" of which, I haven't claimed almost any of it because I just don't need any of it. If anything, it would just be things I have to delete out of my vault.
@flamingscar5263
Ай бұрын
Everyone saying this is making themselves seem extremely stupid, stop comparing episode 1 to things like season of the wish or arrivals, this episode is launching alongside the expansion, meaning IT IS smaller in scope, just like every season to launch alongside an expansion, compare this episode instead to things like season of the hunt, or defiance, or risen, and quickly you'll see this is the best we've ever seen for content to launch with an expansion that isn't the expansion
@KeithH-zc6jt
Ай бұрын
PvP match making is horrible. Absolutely horrible. Solo trials is agonizing. Control is super sweaty. Comp is win one lose one. It’s awful
@WilliamVanderhoef
Ай бұрын
For a PvE main gambit is much more fun than any pvp mode. There's a lot of PvE to do. Lots of triumphs, but the raid takes up a whole evening of my playtime.
@SonicVibe
Ай бұрын
Yes the matchmaking has always been the most glaring problem in pvp I don’t know how most games get it right besides the destiny pvp team
@hworth3
Ай бұрын
Facts bruh, like TF is going on? How can they not see it! That’s normally where I go after the story but I believe this is it for me as well. Play out this and I’m done.
@nathgamer1156
Ай бұрын
Don’t play or get good
@sequoia7284
Ай бұрын
How is the matchmaking bad? Because you match against better players than you?
@TheMinor7th
Ай бұрын
I had so many friends come back to play crucible. We had so much fun and then…all of the hunter builds got maxed and nobody ever wants to play crucible ever again 😂. Nobody wants to play a “shooter” that has a lobby full of smoke bombs, scatter grenades and clones while hunters literally master the art of running away. Epic failure on Bungies part.
@ItsJeff_
Ай бұрын
I’m a Hunter main and the clone thing is so extremely annoying.
@alexanderminas28
Ай бұрын
As someone who plays the hunter the most, this is understandable.
@jasonrolley2224
Ай бұрын
Hunters have officially become ninjas from Naruto
@TheMinor7th
Ай бұрын
@@ItsJeff_I play my hunter and warlock pretty equally. And it’s hard not to use the whole hunter kit because it’s there. I even had mine set to slow the opponent when I leave my clone. It’s just too much ability spam and not enough gunplay. I did have fun for a few days though 😂
@justsomeguy2142
Ай бұрын
@@jasonrolley2224 wrong on so many levels, ninjas get down and take lives….hunters are straight beaches that always has their back turnt on their enemies the second shit doesnt go their way Hunters are just wanna be’s tryna be’s for legitimate cowards lol
@Michaelrice4199
Ай бұрын
At this point I’m going back to single player games 🤷🏽♂️
@EchoDoctrine
Ай бұрын
Very same. Too many pros for single player games and cons for Destiny ( and many always online nerfs/buffs/metas Fomo live service games) I can play my solo single player games offline, without internet, with multiple difficulty settings I can change on the fly, I can avoid updates and patch’s and play how I want to play, there’s less constant NERFs by devs and balance changes. Just so many wins for single player games.
@LiamFitzpatrick-pzzzt
Ай бұрын
I am playing Once Human, 188 hours in and I am enjoying it thoroughly. I would rate the game a 7/10 with a fun factor of 9/10, the devs have hit lightning in a bottle. Destiny was an 8.5/10 overall imo, having said that, the fun factor for me was a 5/10 in my last 3000 hours out of 6000 hours. In the end, it was nice just to move on from Destiny 2. I moved on after Lightfall, I will never purchase and play The Final Shape, I am just tired of Destiny 2.
@rla9889
Ай бұрын
Me too.
@TheRampageTaylor
Ай бұрын
Me too. Playing red dead redemption 2 again.
@HelloMyNameIsZON3
Ай бұрын
Single player is THE WAY even co op games are shit now because of every game you play with friends has to have Mobile game tactics a battle pass and cosmetics out the ass
@Alckee6904
Ай бұрын
Lightfall had record levels of creators leaving rightfully so. The seasonal model isn’t sustainable. A company with: +1,000 employees 28 year old engine Industry veterans A decade of feedback And all we get is 15 minutes a week of mid story.
@SonicVibe
Ай бұрын
Facts 💯%
@jonahbrown5669
Ай бұрын
Inb4 the Bungie whales attack you with the "Well lets see you do better, where's your game? 🤓" "Erhm, it's not 15 minutes a week, you see, I actually have a life, so I can't be good at games and because I don't have time, so that 15 minutes a week is actually 4 hours for me"
@yabuts
Ай бұрын
8 weeks after one of the biggest content releases they've ever done w new content being released every other week and y'all are like, 'this sucks, Bungie's dead'. There's really no pleasing you folks.
@justsomeguy2142
Ай бұрын
@@jonahbrown5669 homie got the trash pve casuals downpact 😂😂😂😂
@SomebodyYouUsedToKnow
Ай бұрын
@@yabuts zzz
@DeuceTreyz
Ай бұрын
My thought the other day is "Why am I grinding now?" I turned down the amount of time I play D2 now and not having any "end point" or a larger over arching story to look forward too. It does really feel like the journey is over, playing the game since the alpha
@amorfati4927
Ай бұрын
On a base level this is probably the most reasonable and accurate take… but many people don’t realize it. Other things are lackluster going on in the game after the content slam that was The Final Shape… but it really does feel like the end of a decade and an era. My life is always busy and it’s been extremely busy here lining pretty much right up with The Final Shape release… but I’m not really finding myself thinking or feeling like I need to “sneak in” some D2 playtime if I have a spare 30 mins here or an hour there.
@Reziel_azyr
Ай бұрын
Bro RDJ jr gonna be Voicing Xivu Arath . Come back.
@dennylafoss
Ай бұрын
I haven’t touched d2 since the Elden ring dlc came out. Really showed me the difference in what you should get when spending 50$ on a dlc, and by destiny’s standards the final shape had a lot of content.
@kingcurmudgeon8685
Ай бұрын
Exactly. Other games out there. That are made with care and respect for the playerbase
@invictuous9222
Ай бұрын
DLC was $40
@amorfati4927
Ай бұрын
@@kingcurmudgeon8685And the thing is…. D2 is objectively better than some other games as far as what you get for what you pay for. It really does show how people should be conscience in all aspects of life about putting your money and time towards things that deserve it.
@dennylafoss
Ай бұрын
@@invictuous9222 are u saying that because the dlc is 40 and the season included is 10… but though you had to pay 50…. There was no 40$ option for just the final shape
@hhaste
Ай бұрын
The way I look at it is, since it's a live service game, you're not really paying the 50 for the DLC, you're paying to play. It's just paying annually rather than monthly, like World of Warcraft does.
@jaylenharris343
Ай бұрын
Kinda like what happened after Avengers Endgame came out.
@kingcurmudgeon8685
Ай бұрын
Fitting since that’s the same ending in the final shape
@BuffGenji
Ай бұрын
This comparison just is getting even more accurate, if lightfall actually felt like a giant L for the guardians, not just like a to be continued, it would be just like marvel
@ChoZen369
Ай бұрын
Good analogy 👏
@eocampo34
Ай бұрын
For me it was the story. I was invested in the light vs dark saga for 10 years. I just had to see it through which is why I kept coming back every DLC. That story has now concluded and now I’ve decided to move on, I’ll still keep up with what’s going on through Byf and others but I experienced the ending to the story I’ve been following for the past 10 years so now it’s till next time guardians.
@hanknorris5642
Ай бұрын
Oh, it had a conclusion? I haven't been playing so out of the loop.
@eocampo34
Ай бұрын
@@hanknorris5642 yeah. Well the light vs darkness saga. Defeated the black fleet and its leader. I guess the story continues with the aftermath of us defeating the witness and the power vacuum he left
@thahorde7947
Ай бұрын
I played D1 on and off for the years it was going, but never everyday. D2 was no bueno on launch and I quit for 2yrs. Came back before Beyong Light and have been on and off since then. It's still fun but... I no longer enjoy PVP. TV has touched on this but it sucks when all I face is pure meta players. Played in a stack for the 1st time in about 4 months....all hunter teams using all meta builds. I used to love Crucible, but can't stand it anymore
@MoppedVAL
Ай бұрын
If it took you 10 years to realize destiny 2 PvP is trash than you might be on the spectrum
@stevegaspar
Ай бұрын
I'm half way through this video and just wanted to say I've been looking at the player count drop as well and it's wild. However, my take os slightly different as to why. Yes since it's literally the last big expansion (that we know of) but the drop off started 2-3 weeks after the release and I find it very hard to believe majority of the huge influx of players for the release finished the raid and dual Destiny. In fact I believe those 2 particular end game activities had so much of barrier that most people said forget it and just left after the campaign. Also, that 111k of course, as you said, is the peak because most days in the last 30 it's 64k-70k so a lot lower than the peak. That's below Onslaught release and we shall soon see player count in the 30k-40k range when everyone was saying D2 was dying Some proof of this is I tried using in game LFG for now coming up to 4 weeks for dual Destiny and on most days there are literally ZERO to one group per day...yup zero. How are new players supposed to know how to look for players when Destiny's own in game LFG has literally no one to choose. Oh make your own? Yup did that and it sat empty for 2 hours...yes no one joining. What about the raid? Just because something is very hard and complex doesn't mean it's good. If the best PvE players take 30-40 hours to complete how is any average player supposed to carve out time? I'd love to see what % of players since TFS have completed the raid and dual Destiny at least once. I bet it's well below 10% of the 314k peak. Too many barriers and after the campaign what can anyone really do. How many people knew to finish the overthrow stuff 9 times to get khovstov? Very very small %. This whole thing about Bungie making the end game accessible is actually a farce. It's actually the opposite IMO. I think the game is literally now officially dying and without D3 coming why would someone want to play a 10 year old game where 1/2 the content is sunset amd the other 1/2 has very limited accessibility?
@ghettochicken8420
Ай бұрын
there will still be people (like me) who will never stop playing
@stevegaspar
Ай бұрын
@@ghettochicken8420 who cares. We are experiencing the largest and fastest drop in player population in D2 history. And it's literally getting worse day by day
@F0XHunter
Ай бұрын
Ok, correction on the raid, it took the Best players 30-40 hours on Contest mode, on normal mode the raid lasts about an hour or 2
@chelsthegameruiner8669
Ай бұрын
I saw the game to its conclusion, so now my friends and I are finally able to move on to greener pastures. Personally, I've been playing FFXIV Dawntrail. The story wasn't the greatest but the encounters in Dawntrail are so damn fun that I haven't been able to step away
@EchoDoctrine
Ай бұрын
10000% agreed. I have screamed for years just because content creators and KZitemrs that make guide videos demand more mechanics heavy raids and harder content so they can make more guide videos, Sherpa streams or direct players to their discords for matchmaking is not a great idea. By making raids and Dual Destiny activities harder and harder I feel more casual and mostly solo player enjoyers have left and quit. Bungie can’t understand this. Well players are leaving. Creators are freaking out. Surprise surprise. Many solo players warned them for years on the forums.
@paul_tassi
Ай бұрын
"Destiny is solved" is a really good line and an important point
@d43m0n412
Ай бұрын
i agree lol... i know this to be true when a friend of mine used to ask if a weapon roll looked good or not all the time like almost a daily thing... (seemed like mostly humble brags...) but honestly? its been like a month or so since he has asked me if i felt like a weapon is good... now its hey look at my new god roll that i pulled from xyz... thats how i know that what vanguard is saying is true about the game being solved... and this wasnt a new player either... he did this like daily for almost 2 years lol so yeah....
@Noname-ol8ef
Ай бұрын
@@d43m0n412 Well of course a game franchise that has lasted 10 years with a community that dissects and optimizes everything in terms of gameplay down to the T is going to be solved in some way, on release or later on. But that's fine as every game is like that. New content releases, players play it then eventually master it and it's up to the devs to introduce more content for them to master. Also what you described was the natural progression of a player.
@tactician3023
Ай бұрын
Destiny needs a reboot …most of my friends would be down to play but feel too behind and it’s too confusing for them to catch up. A reset or destiny 3 and some balancing and PvP given the right amount of care would fix the game
@topical6574
Ай бұрын
I genuinely feel bad attempting to tell someone to play this game. Just when they load it, they get met with 20 different pop ups, 80% being microtransactions or expansions they have to buy. The biggest turn off for a game ever.
@Noname-ol8ef
Ай бұрын
Let's not act like introducing a new game will be a flat net positive though as that can potentially introduce a new can of worms.
@chelsthegameruiner8669
Ай бұрын
@@Noname-ol8efIt'd be a repeat of year 1, let's be honest
@GenXstacker
Ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm hoping they are slacking here, because they are building something better in D3. 😂
@GenXstacker
Ай бұрын
@@topical6574Oh, don't they want to donate money to help trans kids transition? 😂😂😂
@NeuroHead
Ай бұрын
As silly as it might sound the new duo missions and having the exotic class items behind that stuff probably pushed away a lot of solo players.
@MartiaLEagle2007
Ай бұрын
well said. they forced solo players to leave the game. they were listening just to the streamers and ignored others
@Yahtzee2000
Ай бұрын
The forced coop did it for me. My last clan and raid group dissolved after Lightfall and honestly I just don’t have time to try to re-engage, build up new friends with new clans which dry up anyways. I’m happy for people with crews to run this stuff with but for my limited gaming time now there just isn’t much moving the needle for me
@shadowarez1337
Ай бұрын
@@Yahtzee2000I feel there just isn't enough hours in the day though I work 12 hrs a day doesn't leave time.
@ericarmstrong8207
Ай бұрын
I am a Destiny veteran, played from day 1 of Destiny 1 and never stopped, continuing still today. I get why the Content Creator drop off is happening, it makes sense. The Light and Dark saga is over with the death of the Witness(in most people's eyes) But I will play Act 3, and will play until the first Episode. If it's anything near what we are getting now, I'm along for the ride. But if the Episodes aren't for me, it'll officially end my 10+ year Destiny career. Let's hope Bungie keeps cooking!!
@Elysian-III
Ай бұрын
👍
@Harrison-zc3hu
Ай бұрын
Act 1 and 2 are the first episode lol that’s why it’s called episode: echoes
@kingcurmudgeon8685
Ай бұрын
Exactly, it is a “ride”. Or as some would say “getting taken for a ride”.
@boatsfa2015
Ай бұрын
@@ericarmstrong8207 Same, been here a long time and dont plan on stopping. But i play mostly pvp and its unbearable. Their matchmaking is god awful most of the time.
@Vandal1985
Ай бұрын
Same…I’m much more of a casual than I used to be. But it’d suck immensely if Bungie moved on and all of the hours grinding was wasted.
@nZoot
Ай бұрын
Im a beta player and left before final shape to go back to runescape. Got over 6k hours into destiny and was 440 in the world for crucible and one point, had enough of them taking the piss now. Pvp has been a shit show for years now. Solo 6s playlist has been harder than competitive modes for years now💀
@OsrsAnbu
Ай бұрын
Same here osrs 4 life
@Bladedanced
Ай бұрын
Hilarious I literally did the Same thing, final shape hype wore off went back to osrs
@OsrsAnbu
Ай бұрын
Add me Maborel 1
@ValRalTal
Ай бұрын
Yeah the game feels like it ended. It’s wrapped up. A perfect time to fully step away or just take a break and explore other games or do some irl things
@SuPeRuNkNoWn..
Ай бұрын
D3.
@Ligmanuttz
Ай бұрын
@@SuPeRuNkNoWn..nah
@georgen5882
Ай бұрын
I think this is one of the most logical reasons. The game has had a 7 year lifespan so far, four more than the first. I’m not saying they need to get 3 out anytime soon, but the game had a good run. This is the natural series of events. People wanted to see the end of the story, and we have.
@SuPeRuNkNoWn..
Ай бұрын
@@Ligmanuttz Why would they just throw away a multi-billion dollar cash cow.
@Ligmanuttz
Ай бұрын
@@SuPeRuNkNoWn.. because this franchise is stained by bungies ignorance it’s time for it to end and for you to let go
@__Lento__
Ай бұрын
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@Chablo91
Ай бұрын
You sound like a bot. Ff14 is good just how you advertised it lol
@jdvplays1871
Ай бұрын
Bungie took PvP players for granted.
@SuPeRuNkNoWn..
Ай бұрын
What do you mean? They gave us Perfect Pitch. Some people are just sooo dissatisfied.
@Ayo_zak
Ай бұрын
@@SuPeRuNkNoWn..don’t forget better devils 😂
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
What does this comment even mean? You all cry no matter what happens. You cried when there weren't enough people, then they made it more casual friendly and the population sky rocketed but then you complained that too many people were getting loot they didn't "earn" So they changed it back. Then you cried again. Yall are just stupid and should have been ignored from the beginning.
@RealityRogue
29 күн бұрын
They wanted them to move over to marathon when it comes out
@seahawk1579
Ай бұрын
Havent played for 2 months and wont be continuing, 10 years was enough for me and ive moved on. Mainly playing deckbuilders on the steam deck and having a blast
@steverl22
Ай бұрын
The creators made the same video like a 100 times over 🙁 ‘This gun is the BEST GUN EVER’ 🙄 PvP is terrible
@Skull5604
Ай бұрын
I mean. Final shape was tremendously good but we're already back to our good ol regular schedule with lackluster and dripfed seasons/episodes. Also nothing big on the horizon so that's another downer for people
@yabuts
Ай бұрын
If they're not releasing a whole new game every few weeks, then what're they even doing?
@Skull5604
Ай бұрын
@@yabuts Way to miss the point. Into the Light was a top tier content drop and they didn't even need to do much, just engaging and meaningful content. What they do with episodes is the BARE minimum to be considered "content"
@yabuts
Ай бұрын
@@Skull5604 you're just insatiable and tired of the game, go play other stuff. D2 is releasing content on a regular basis, more than ever before: the biggest raid ever, the biggest exotic missions, new dungeon coming, events on a weekly basis They released ep 1 before most of the population even had time to finish the raid. It's not lack of content that's bothering you guys, you just want to play a different game, you're tired of the mechanics, the metas, the places....honestly take a break, it gets better when you do something else for a bit
@Skull5604
Ай бұрын
@@yabuts Nope. It's called having standards. This goes beyond what TFS offered (which was phenomenal as an expansion), this drip fed content will satiate no one, even if you take a long break. What are you going to come back to? 1 hour of "hey go plant this thing, and harvest these 5 things 10 times all around nessus"? no amount of break time will make you love something like that
Funny thing is when the pvp side of the game is good then the game has flourished. Because it's a super replayable
@gemini3266
Ай бұрын
I haven't played Destiny or watched any videos on it ever since The First Descendant came out.
@EchoDoctrine
Ай бұрын
Huge same. That game has been my absolute obsession. I love that I can make powerful builds and one shot bosses. Loving it. Only pop in on videos like these or the news about Bungie layoffs. Shame. But Bungo gonna Bungo.
@keithedwards499
Ай бұрын
I'm tired TV. I'm tired, been on the destiny ride since D1 when vault dropped. Defeated many gods and finally the witness. I'm just satisfied that I don't see a reason to continue anymore.
@timothyhouck9500
Ай бұрын
Bahhh. That’s the problem- people like TV tell you a game is dead just to promote raid shadow legends or whatever garbage is paying them more
@Noname-ol8ef
Ай бұрын
Btw the witness is canonically the sidekick of the ACTUAL main villain of the destiny universe, so you actually still have, at least, 10 more years ahead of you.
@keithedwards499
Ай бұрын
@@Noname-ol8ef ugh....let me go grind again 😔.
@keithedwards499
Ай бұрын
@@timothyhouck9500 tbh I could care less if the game is dying or not. I think bungie delivered an amazing dlc. I'm just personally tired of playing destiny. So an extremely long break is something I'm doing. Probably year break worthy maybe.
@timothyhouck9500
Ай бұрын
@@keithedwards499 I get it. That’s probably a healthy approach. But i’m the type who orders chicken tenders at a fancy steakhouse and still watches The Big Lebowski 5 times a week.
@frankcouper9377
Ай бұрын
The game feels done. Most on my FL are no longer playing. I haven't logged in for a few weeks. Im not surprised content creators are "taking a break." I'll probably pick up Black myth wukong this month.
@thebestbet1
Ай бұрын
Playing hitman world of assassination. My time with destiny is done and what a time it was. Always grateful Bungie. Thank you!!
@justsomeguy2142
Ай бұрын
You are grateful for the manipulation, fomo and the rest of the problems they purposely created to make and keep a fanbase? Yikes
@kingcurmudgeon8685
Ай бұрын
Why be grateful for what Bungie has done?
@ZeroTheNine
Ай бұрын
You can the two comments here are bitter tools who think because they didn't enjoy D2 no one should. How did anyone manipulate you when you have to manually by the expansions? Just be quiet kids and go enjoy your Fornite. To the op, I agree with you and sometimes it's like that. I have been playing since D1 since Alpha of June 2014 and this September will be my official 10th year. I am here to until Act 3 of Ep. 3 then I will move on to the future. Thanks to Bungie for giving me a great game for 10 years and the online friends I have met. I get where you are coming from unlike Beavis & Butthead here.
@Exton_Z1
Ай бұрын
@@ZeroTheNine deleting payed content then gaslight you that it’s ok what they did, bet you smell addicted my friend
@Noname-ol8ef
Ай бұрын
@@Exton_Z1 It's human nature to focus on the bad instead of why you care to look at the bad. People have been playing this game for the gameplay, world, loot, friends, and many more and have enjoyed themselves a lot because of that and are willing to give criticisms to make the game improve. Yes most of these criticisms are valid to an extent, but we can't just look at that and solely judge the game because of that. This is an obvious illogical bias.
@bannedmann4469
Ай бұрын
It’s Joever as expected. Especially since they lied also as expected about seasons.
@alaskayoung3413
Ай бұрын
I tried the first descendant and haven't been back on destiny ever since.... same with my 3 friends and we were all daily players for last few years. No class identity, same old game modes, no build variety, 90% of exotics are useless, unbalanced class power, continuous nerfs, millions of bugs, etc etc.
@hornbeamarmanik8590
Ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat, me and a few friends played first week of final shape n we are now done and invested in first descendant, I also played with warframe players on first descendant.
@alaskayoung3413
Ай бұрын
@@hornbeamarmanik8590 who u play the most? I’m maining Ajax and alt is Sharen
@MartiaLEagle2007
Ай бұрын
@@hornbeamarmanik8590 same here and just to share a funny story iwhile checking my emails yesterday i find out that my playstation plus sub has been expired 3 weeks ago and i m playing first ascendant every day . while even if you buy destiny 2 expansions and season passes and dungeons you can not play what you own without a playstation plus sub even if you are soloing that for me the reason why destiny are losing players they are pushing solo players away from the game
@snakekc1
Ай бұрын
I've been playing and getting addicted to The First Ascendent . I haven't played D2 in sooo long. I'll get back to it... Eventually 😅
@jpfunions
Ай бұрын
I don’t mind a game giving players its ending to be able to feel satisfied to put down and walk away. That kinda what the final shape felt. Episodes are hitting the stride they are hoping cause ultimately it still doesn’t address the biggest problem. This content is temporary in the next year it’ll be gone and unplayable they arent focusing on updates that brings sometbing to the core gameplay the only time we see that is when endgame content gets something and while we know its in the final shape annual pass but it doesn’t feel confident to know when it’s gonna be that and we have no idea about another raid if we’re even getting it. The flow of content doesn’t feel sustainable and retainable
@JJ-gk5tn
Ай бұрын
It's because Bungie refuses to disclose what comes after episodes
@kevinboykin3770
Ай бұрын
I just kinda lost all sense of a NEED to play honestly. There hasn’t been any feeling of fomo.
@paperbagman7515
Ай бұрын
My friend group called me an imbecile after I delisted destiny from steam. They didn’t understand that I wanted No reason to get back into the game after lightfall.
@aaron_ow
Ай бұрын
The whiplash from Finalshape to Seasonal content was tough, I feel bad for all Destiny creators but I agree with TV that PvP creators are suffering the most. The pivot from PvP to something different is especially challenging for channels that have such a dedicated viewerbase. We've been through this before, countless times, but right now it feels like it's the worst it's been for a LONG time. The game has reached the end of it's 10 year saga, yet we are still here, treading water on the remnants of player interest and hope for a Destiny 3.
@LiamFitzpatrick-pzzzt
Ай бұрын
Yeah, a lot of what TV said is just based facts. I was saying to my daughter the other day, she played D2 as well, that you just get tired of looking at the same assets, voice acting (mostly mediocre), writing (did get worse), activities. In the end, Destiny 2 reminded me of 'existentialist writer Camus', "Futile repetition! There's no meaning to it, thus it's absurd," lol.
@ip_freely
Ай бұрын
Yeah I recently left too as a player - been playing since day one of D1 - it's done. Thanks Bungie, syl.
@seanberry1428
Ай бұрын
Destiny pvp is just so bad now ever since the advent of powers 3.0. The population reduced drastically when Joe said they weren't gonna make maps. Bungie has done a terrible job with its pvp community I don't understand why they're making marathon. They don't have a clue.
@dxjjw
Ай бұрын
Honestly First Descendant just has my full attention atm
@dregudda6395
Ай бұрын
I’m at the point where I’m losing my interest with destiny again lol the Matchmaking is terrible,the pvp meta sucks,and pve is boring as fuck. Bungie wants this game to be entirely too grindy and I’m just not in the mood for it anymore. If bungie plans on a releasing a Destiny 3 they need a lot of big changes to build on going forward
@npc6254
Ай бұрын
Deleting Destiny 2 off my hard drive was one of the best things I’ve done recently. My guardian is retired.
@Specialzone5
Ай бұрын
Same! Too many good games to play to keep wasting time playing destiny for me.
@soundprooftraxwell
Ай бұрын
🧢 see you in August.
@tomz6594
Ай бұрын
I see 3 problems. 1. new player experience is still terrible, resulting in a dying player base. 2. zero skill cheese rules Crucible and really diminished the dedicated player base there. 3. too many bad decisions over the years that eroded the good will of a lot of players. Many invested enough to see this saga through but dont feel inclined to start another one. New players haven't been pulled in over the past few years either, so now we have the current situation.
@adrianluna1164
Ай бұрын
There’s a fine line between playing the game casually, and fully immersing yourself in it and trying to keep up with builds and weapons. I play destiny because I like to cause some ignitions and mix and match weapons, do a solo lost sector and call it a day. It makes sense to crave more and want more, but also take into consideration what you want to get out of the destiny 2 experience. Find your pace and play what you want at the end of the day.
@RYAN799
Ай бұрын
Please don't take this the wrong way, been watching your videos for years, but for me, as a player, it really is the way Bungie seems to communicate with and acknowledge well known content creators only and pee ons like myself were never heard. I've had in game issues, ask support/twitter and nothing. Enter all of these contests, art, motw etc nothing. Just seems like a very small group always seems to be in the spotlight and not once, but over and over and over and over again. Haven't been on for weeks and fell back into older hobbies, i feel so much better mentality. Have a good one.
@PopularNobody
Ай бұрын
I know they're so happy to leave this community.
@DeanVarney
Ай бұрын
I'm one of those players that's stopped playing. I don't hate the game, but it's gotten stale and boring. It's the same grind, the same formula, and the same issues. I used to look forward to PVPing almost every night, then I was told PVP players don't matter and I realized that was the way of it. So I started raiding and boy, the stories you hear about LFG almost all true. At this point there is only so much you can shine a turd. I admit there is some FOMO right now, and it'll get me and I log in and go "ok what do I need or want?" and then an hour later I'm afk in the tower or orbit because the thought of grind of the same boring activities, modes and maps that we've been doing for several years feels more like a chore than fun. All my friends have moved on, some bought Final Shape and it was great to have almost a full raid team again! But once the episodes dropped and we got next to nothing and it's right back to the regular seasonal model, they all stopped playing. I miss the old days, when it was exciting and fun to play Destiny.
@shadyrebob5999
Ай бұрын
Reasons: 1. nothing left to chase 2. Seasonal model is un-fun 3. Too many nerfs/buffs and the roller coaster continues 4. TFS was a solid ending and Echo's mostly stinks 5. Armor means nothing 6. Content is either too time consuming (raids, dual destiny) or completely brainless (chest farming Pale Heart) I just think Destiny has reached its end.
@deepappl
Ай бұрын
I just uninstalled destiny yesterday and installed Warhammer 3 coz it was on sale. I was in a situation where I had guns to shoot but nowhere to shoot them... as a solo player.
@KeillaSellay
Ай бұрын
Tooo many cheaters with XIM.
@victorcontreras5703
Ай бұрын
Titans best class ability is a dash that does nothing else but dash. Hunters have a better dash (dodge) that leaves a clone that manipulates everybody’s radar, reloads their weapon, heals them, and if you go anywhere near the clone it will knock you out of the fight for 6 seconds at least if it doesn’t kill you. So dumb
@Noname-ol8ef
Ай бұрын
Isn't that the entire point of hunter dodge? Why use the agile mobility class when their mobility class ability is the worst between the 2 subclasses?
@quentin000
Ай бұрын
I’ve been playing this game for 10 years and have only played 3 other games in that time. Final Shape was banger and I want to leave Destiny happy instead of bitter. Now it’s time to check out the 67 games in my library.
@Hrs3play
Ай бұрын
This right here
@Arieusblack1589
Ай бұрын
Pvp is an absolute dumpster fire. Chronuss are still an issue. Being a hunter is absolutely free. Cheating still exist. Just not worth the hustle anymore. This model of "episodes" is just season with extra steps and time gating. Match making still doesn't effectively put teams together. The new game statement hits hard.
@kyleswenson4568
Ай бұрын
If they would just balance PvP I think there would be a huge spike in player count this prism hunter meta is the worst one yet
@d43m0n412
Ай бұрын
here's the thing... its called recency issue... every META is horrible... META means 2 things in destiny 2... ease of use and time to kill... when something has a faster time to kill AND is easier to use it becomes the META until something otherwise surpasses it or it gets rebalanced back into the heap pile... thats just how game design works... games arent designed to be balanced anymore they are meant to have periods where something is good then something else comes along and it becomes good then the next thing and next thing... and this is especially true with destiny... because the hook is to have you endlessly grinding for the new thing... so yeah... asking for balance is basically out of the question at this point
@kingcurmudgeon8685
Ай бұрын
The game is 11 years old. It’s enough already. It’s that simple. Beating a dead horse
@Kalan3rd
Ай бұрын
I love how every game company wanted a "Destiny" type of live service game and almost all of them failed only to see that not even the original could come over the line and actually continue into the forever. Everything must end it seems, and while the game could have done so more gracefully I think the core player base is mostly just done.
@shadyrebob5999
Ай бұрын
Your Remnant 2 videos were great btw. Looks like they have a big DLC coming soon. Maybe time to hop over to that again?
@rechelieu
Ай бұрын
Is Remant 2 worth playing? I have looked at this game for a while. I don't have anything lined up. Hopefully not as hard as Soul games. I don't mind interesting bosses. Are the different level difficulties?
@chelsthegameruiner8669
Ай бұрын
@@rechelieuIt's a Souls-like but the game is truly amazing. It's a rare gem like the first game
@rock4ever812
Ай бұрын
I'm not a creator but I am a player and I've stopped playing. It has nothing to do with waiting out TFS and everything with being a pvp player. I just finally had enough. I can't reasonably log on and work on getting better today than I was yesterday. The majority of my games are more me vs the servers than me vs my opponents. I've put up with it for years because it felt worth it to me. It doesn't anymore. Will I change and come back later? 🤷♂️. Maybe. But I currently have no desire to turn on my game.
@SuperRaids13
Ай бұрын
PvP is the only replayable content Destiny has to offer and they completely ignored it in Final Shape.
@needmoresynth8350
Ай бұрын
They have trolled the PvP community to death.... The "renewed focus" was misinterpreted by the community...
@mattisixx1699
Ай бұрын
Nightfall and gambit are replayable and fun. Crucible is just boring and always has been. You get to be a super hero in pve, in pvp, you're just an average joe. I just hope whenever destiny 3 comes out, they make pvp a completely separate part of the game. Most people that like pve, don't like pvp and visa versa. I'd prefer if my builds didn't get completely destroyed by a nerf, because of some crucible players. It's getting really old
@SuperRaids13
Ай бұрын
@@mattisixx1699 you’re only an average Joe if you suck lol. No serious player wants to sit and shoot the same robots over and over
@danhalo1405
Ай бұрын
I do not really agree with that Live Service games don't need completely new iterations in fact the best of those games like World of Warcraft, Fortnite, Warframe, League of Legends, Sea of thieves or Elder Scrolls Online are all still in their first iteration never got completely new games and some of them are going strong since more than ten, fifteen or even twenty years since their releases. There are really not a lot of reasons for Bungie for why they should not follow in those games footsteps a new game is a lot of risk and there is not really a lot to gain for Bungie, Destiny is not a new IP this IP already has its basline for how big this franchise can be/become a new iteration will not change that and Destiny2 is already as successful as this IP can be
@mechazard9883
Ай бұрын
Final shape was a beautiful ending for the franchise. Echoes is a poor follow-up and i don't want to spoil how good final shape was for me in my mind by forcing myself to play mid content week on week.
@paulclay4229
Ай бұрын
Same problem since D1. Bungie: heres a new/novel bit of content. Players: hey, this is really enjoyable. Its novel and im looking forward to getting the exotic class items, and Khostov Bungie: now repeat it until you hate it to get Khostov, do a quest that has to be done in a team to get the class item and then grind the content that you're already burnt out on to get the class item. Players: oh.
@EchoDoctrine
Ай бұрын
Yep. And then two days after you get the item they NERF it into the ground and it becomes a joke. Rinse repeat And Bungo doesn’t understand why players (especially solo players) are leaving.
@Scrumps87
Ай бұрын
Bungie ruined all pvp matchmaking by catering it to the bottom 10% and the top 1%. The main player base wanted zero sbmm. The top players didn’t need help and the bottom players were never going to play anyways. The best time in pvp was when trials was card based and there was no sbmm in any playlist. They tried to hard to be like COD and forgot what made destiny pvp great.
@-geefius-5353
Ай бұрын
If EBMM wasn’t a thing, I could play PvP all day. XDefiant doesn’t have it, and it’s night and day. Wish something like destiny would come out with the same system.
@KalanosYT
Ай бұрын
I still love Destiny but it feels super bleak right now. Final Shape was great and an amazing way to just end things or at least a fitting end for most players. We don't know what Frontiers is, if it were an expansion I feel like they would have said that? Player count is dropping faster then Lightfall. So many devs are gone and continue to leave over the last year. It's just not looking good.
@Che9009
Ай бұрын
The bar is set SO LOW that this expansion got 9/10's and 10/10's. This expansion was just OK at best. Content drought and a desperate player base would think any content after that drought would be a banger.
@lokilucario
Ай бұрын
Destiny is hitting the end of it's lifespan. I'm having more fun playing the Witcher 3 next gen than ive had playing destiny in like 3 years
@1HomeBodies
Ай бұрын
Played trials earlier with a population of on 3.5k. It was brutal. Glad i went flawless and then immediately dipped.
@donaldellis8116
Ай бұрын
Or maybe it’s because of the woke narrative that has absolutely zero to do with the game or the lore and 100% disgusting to push that BS upon the massive amount of children who play this game. Also bothering how not one creator has the balls to talk about it. Disturbing how many people are ok with taking advantage of children to push a narrative this disastrous to children’s mental health, it’s mind boggling! I don’t give two shits what people do with their lives but to think they should have special rights and to take advantage of children is preposterous. Amazing how people sit by and let this happen, absolutely shameful!!!
@michaelmaddy5232
Ай бұрын
I have preached this in the past as well. We can get a new emblem for any social justice warrior agenda but can't fix servers to work at launch. After making us wait an extra 3 months for a better game and smooth launch. I checked TF out after getting to the final mission and getting booted for the 9th time in 20 hours.
@gigadrillbreakk
Ай бұрын
Usually i keep playin pvp. But the cycle of breaking pvp every big expansion has me burnt out on the mode. And i usually go solo flawless every week.
@Rubicon9
Ай бұрын
So are the players. DESTINY has become a meme.
@B4lz4k
Ай бұрын
Its not like the final shape pushed ppl away, its the inbetween, drama, timegates upon timegates. Scam practices (not being to redeem materials from the season pass via mandatory cap on a certain item thou its on the PAID version of it - you need a 3rd party extension to be able to do so), Boring old formula that doesnt work. New timegates on the season pass - ridiculous, geting 2 different lvl looks like a "i dont know what we are doing but we going to roll with it anyway" being deaf a LOT on the timegates - again - removing timegates on a 3week story to wait a month and a half to see another 3 weeks - ridiculous. A LOT of the decisions they made over the years ruined the game. Removing the only uncapped material - legendary shards - for pretty much no reason - final nail to the coffin. Players should be rewarded for playing, not punished.
@nyjets1984
Ай бұрын
Sounds like content creators scrambling around to keep their jobs because they know they might actually have to get a real job
@kingcurmudgeon8685
Ай бұрын
People have been warning them they better branch out. So now they’re finally getting it. Let see how they do.
@chelsthegameruiner8669
Ай бұрын
Zavalr is absolutely cooked in that regard. I remember her freaking out when she couldn't access her character for a few days and ignoring people telling her to try other games
@Luckydave123
Ай бұрын
@@chelsthegameruiner8669shes literally like most destiny players. Play the game for 5000 hours and complain when it gets stale and the same. Ofc that will happen
@baldman4187
Ай бұрын
I just got all of my gear to reach 2000 and honestly, it's the end of the grind for me. I see no reason to actively play for loot. PVP is a no go, Crucible is just full of ability spamming hunters and Trials is full of cheaters and still, ability spamming hunters.
@USConnexion
Ай бұрын
If you still play destiny 2 in 2024 you need mental help
@coled2424
Ай бұрын
back in the dropping by once a week play 2-3 hours mindset again, wish it wasn't that way. think we are ready for a fully fledged sequel at this point to refresh the game entirely.
@rebcommando587
Ай бұрын
Other video games exist to remove the destiny brainrot
@WormChi312
Ай бұрын
PvP is what kept me engaged. It’s so neglected now that I have drive to log in anymore.
@mythe6669
Ай бұрын
And when they don't neglect it, they actively make it worse. It's truely amazing.
@dredgenspace
Ай бұрын
People are of course leaving after the final shape. Everyone has been saying this for months and years. This is very obvious. It does not take 20 minutes to explore that. And due to everyone screaming from the mountaintops that they're going to leave the game it's pretty easy to predict lower viewership as well. It's very unfortunate that creators are leaving and making less videos about Destiny, but as you say it's not profitable anymore and families need to be fed. I want to also provide that this is criticism and not just negativity. I value your content and I watch it a lot so I'm not trying to provide any hate. Just trying to provide some criticism. A lot of these creators have also been saying that they have transferring to the variety for over a year now so this isn't a new conversation either. Comparing Halo to Destiny isn't a fair comparison because one is a live service and the other is just multiplayer. Destiny delivers far more content on a far more regular basis. I agree we need a hard reset and probably a Destiny 3 or an expansion that truly adds a lot and changes the system. But the content delivery is very very different which is why there's Halo 5 but only Destiny 2. It's not really a fair comparison.
@TrueVanguard
Ай бұрын
Video went live 5 minutes ago and you're pretending you know what the video says lol, we're actually comparing raw data now versus raw data then and chatting about the implications of it while also referencing what some creators have said and done in the last week. Calm down bud, no need to be a Debbie Downer on the internet. If you see something that doesn't interest you, you can always do what normal people do. Ignore it.
@Proxy_1996
Ай бұрын
Getting ratio’d pretty hard on this one bud
@dredgenspace
Ай бұрын
@@TrueVanguardI have made multiple edits to my comment and finish the video. I wanted to get my comment out quick because I didn't see the value in this video and taking people's time for 20 minutes and after finishing it, I still don't. Most of these points are nothing new to this conversation and have been around for a while. If I wanted be a Debbie Downer. I wouldn't have finished the video and I wouldn't be trying to provide criticism. I'm subscribed for a reason. It's because I value your content. That's why I'm criticizing it because I want to see it improve. It's good to see the raw statistics sure, but It's far from necessary, especially since it's the only part out of a 20 minute video that has any actual value. They should have been a social media post. I get you probably pushed this out because rent's due so I can't truly blame you. But this is far too long and it drags on in certain areas. It reeks of stretch to make sure more advertisements are served. I understand it's hard and you need to pay bills too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and act like it's quality content. The purpose of my comment is not only to provide criticism but also warn people that there isn't much in this video that they didn't already know so they don't waste 20 minutes of their life for nothing.
@dredgenspace
Ай бұрын
@@TrueVanguardI would also like to point out that there's no reason to call me "bub" for providing criticism. That's a bit extra.
@jimmyjab8090
Ай бұрын
@@dredgenspaceif you really care about the quality of content on the internet may I suggest deleting your comment?
@jiraiyajr344
Ай бұрын
Sandbox is horrible right now. Prob the worst with the hunter ability spam
@its_just_deej6034
Ай бұрын
I’m a pvp player and it’s absolutely horrific. Prismatic Hunter being a main issue. What were they thinking puttin the clone on that kit. Braindead move.lobby balancing and matchmaking at an all time shitshow. Not logged in for nearly a month
@Pack52022
Ай бұрын
All imma say is pvp in every mode the matchmaking is so horrifically sweaty, unbalanced and unfun is a big part. It's literally the same experience, die to the same meta weapons and abilities, stacked teams who care about elo in regular crucible when trials and comp exists and solo players especially having unbearable experiences. I'm a good player, I can only imagine the top 1 percent destiny players experience
@wannabesedated
Ай бұрын
Bungie should make class ability just a movement ability. Hunters keep their dodge, titans get truster and locks get icarus dash. 16 seconds cooldown for having 100 mobility
@ZzzQwiL420
Ай бұрын
Prismatic is scary to play against for a lot of people, new hunter super is taking away Bubble Titans and Welllock's which is actually kind of nice. If they only knew Arc subclass pretty easily takes care of em no matter which character you use, just a little tip for everyone ❤
@frankgtz23
Ай бұрын
For me it’s the pvp the match making and the abundance of auto rifles have ruined the fun for me
@zachmiller4575
Ай бұрын
I don’t understand how bungie can see these PvP numbers and think that the changes they made were good changes
@SiriusB592
Ай бұрын
I’ve tried so much over the years to get into PvP but the mm is so all over the place that I just gave up.
@andrelefebvre8035
Ай бұрын
I wonder what the carnation between destiny and the first desentant in sales and player base
@Phillip_Graves
Ай бұрын
Probably because everything Titans get is always "punch" based or rather its always a melee ability. Ranged supers for titans are throw axe, throw hammer, throw shield...though idk if i should count the ranged attacks on the supers like strand super range attack or shield throw for void because the super is melee based...Titan gameplay for Bungie is...please walk into the meat grinder whereas Hunter and warlocks always get ranged supers abilities and ranged melees. Prismatic hunter is the biggest problem in pvp. Playing this game is like being in a relationship with a narcissistic person. You know it can be better even have a few ideas..but corporate WILL NEVER let that happen...why improve the game when people are still spending and playing. We need better enemies and AI.
@kildozer9351
Ай бұрын
I curious how the people AFK farming with Marcos the pale heart for exotic class items is skewing those numbers?
@kurtnordli1381
Ай бұрын
I think part of the reason people are leaving destiny 2 is because The 10 year Light and Darkness saga is over, the games been around for so long now its getting stale doing the same stuff every season AKA episode "What's the difference anyways lol" i can't see a difference :).... What i'm getting at is people want something new AKA Destiny 3, We need a clean slate starting over with none of are current gear and weapons we need Destiny 3..... I'm sure if a D3 came out and things were to change up drastically people would be back, i feel comfortable saying that because we know its a fact this game does a really good job of pulling people back we just need a content wipe a game renewal..... I know I said it once already but we need a clean slate, a new empty vault, we need Destiny 3.
@Iron_Born_LLC
Ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing these things out, I thought it was sooo weird that I literally subscribe to every destiny content maker because I just love watching destiny stuff but anytime I’m on my home page there’s like nobody I’ve subscribed to on it and I literally have to work my way through all the extra irrelevant crap on KZitem and do a bunch of searching just to find a recent video from someone I subscribed too.
@shiftym1
Ай бұрын
Bungie also just laid off another 220 employees, representing 17% of their workforce.
@lewis18051
Ай бұрын
I played Elde Ring my first Souls game last year and after beating it(something I never thought I could do) it changed my view on gaming completely! I decided to give Destiny a break until FS ended up trying Remnant 2 and now I can’t even be bothered to finish Final Shape! I’ve been a Destiny fan since D1 day one and I’ve never been this disinterested in going back
@trainerred1345
Ай бұрын
I learned after Beyond Light that Destiny is a game that i will always come back to, but is not a game that i can play consistently on a daily basis anymore. I always go on and off to prevent massive burn out like i did in the past.
@Luckydave123
Ай бұрын
Most healthy approach, and somwthing even bungie said is a good thing to do. But most players only can focus on one game, and are literally addicted to destiny Guess what After 5000 hours the game will get stale, thats fucking normal 😂
@youraveragehotdog6836
Ай бұрын
Its because the final shape failed as a dlc, whether you liked the content or not, it was a lack of content compared to their two peaks, ttk and forsaken, and it had a weak content cycle at that. If this dlc wasnt the final dlc, everyone would shit on it. Bungie would rather stretch our content over a year then make actual good content, but not only that the game has felt the same since beyond light. You know the game has a bad foundation when the two most hated dlcs introduced a new element. We dont need new content, we need a new game.
@robbay8610
Ай бұрын
The reason is that people came to experience the final shape. They had their fill, and now they moved on. As always. Destiny is good in moderation, not as a lifestyle.
@6_Star_Neckphones_timelost
Ай бұрын
How long do they expect a dedicated player base to eat crow, when there’s filet mignon being served elsewhere ? People that have been playing since forsaken… how many times do they expect people to do the same thing over and over and over. They couldn’t even make a new unique mechanic or hell, even a new subclass (prismatic is mix and match). People are tired of pressing x to talk, throwing a ball etc. Content creators leaving is a GOOD step. Bungie will never ever innovate and continue to rest on its laurels otherwise. Unfortunately, as long as people keep whaling out in the Eververse, we’re never going to see it. Good luck on branching out!
@ammathislight6639
Ай бұрын
I'm one of those players that stopped after I beat the campaign. It was a really good expansion but I've played Desriny for 10 years. I'm ready to work on my back log of games I've neglected over the years
@Travis_22
28 күн бұрын
They shouldn't have fired Michael Salvatori. I mean he was the music ffs
@inventor4279
Ай бұрын
Yes finally! The day ive been waiting for!!!
@conversefall5928
Ай бұрын
I stopped playing after the post-campaign quests. I keep saying I'll come back and check out the season, but I find myself gravitating back to Elden Ring, Counterstrike 2, and Baldur's Gate 3. I've freed myself from Bungie's hamster wheel, and its so hard to get back in when we have so many great games to play.
@asakapa0003
Ай бұрын
Im a pvp main and i quit right when they brought back sbmm. Rip destiny
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