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@jess.olo16
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much guys!! Countries included: Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Dubai, UK (for doctors interested in working here), Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Singapore, South Africa
@r8chlletters
2 жыл бұрын
This does not seem controversial at all, just reasonable and necessary to say if the UK wants to have retention of healthcare workers.
@eliakimjosephsophia4542
2 жыл бұрын
They're shipping in more from abroad. Medics and nurses that have trained abroad. The issue with that can be that with non-western countries, some don't have the same health issues has people in the UK.
@kitfrew9983
2 жыл бұрын
This is not new they'll let these home grown guys go and bring in the dregs of medical doctors from third world countries ,who haven't got a clue, and run around wards with their pockets bulging with text books for quick referrals while on the job, because they just scraped past exams in their homelands. God help us all.
@thebadguy4206
2 жыл бұрын
My advice to those considering to be doctors or nurses etc. Don't do it. Go bring your intelligence, skills, knowledge and hard work somewhere else where you can be proud of your work and be rewarded rightfully for your efforts. I wish I had realised this earlier before entering the profession.
@kitfrew9983
2 жыл бұрын
Wise wise words.
@sakshambansal7383
2 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend Australia?
@trixo5
2 жыл бұрын
@@sakshambansal7383 i think he recommends not medicine anywhere
@sakshambansal7383
2 жыл бұрын
@@trixo5 and nursing?
@drmengawyong
2 жыл бұрын
Completely Agree all my non medic friends have better homes hols schools for kids and that makes a happier life = job satisfaction they don’t get treated like shit by managers
@neilcreamer8207
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, young doctors, if you have the opportunity to move abroad, take it. The UK is on the brink of a colossal economic crash and I think what you’re experiencing are simply the factors which are leading to that. It will not improve. There’s no money left. We’ve printed so much that it’s approaching worthless.
@lc5176
2 жыл бұрын
It might be bad in the UK but it's so much worse in most other countries... Europe is only a good option for prospective doctors because it's much more socialist than the UK, but their economic model is no longer sustainable. Germany was Europe's powerhouse mostly thanks to cheap Russian energy. That's gone now.... I'd argue the UK is fairing better for the long term than Europe, even if it looks uglier in the short term. Then there's population demographics. The UK isn't doing too good there either with the boomer generation retiring and not enough young people to replace them, but again, mainland Europe's demographics are so much worse.
@adwoa237
2 жыл бұрын
@@lc5176 Exactly right! I don’t know why people believe that other countries are a better option than the UK. Tell me what “developed” country right now doesn’t have high inflation, high cost of living (unless you want to live in a dump) and housing issues? Australia definitely has this, Canada does as well, USA is a disaster etc.
@shantnubhanwala5972
2 жыл бұрын
What are u talking about , we are hoping for good life in uk 😭😭 , I thought if I go to uk my life will be relaxing 😭😭 , here in india it's worse its hell , a bad f## joke .
@thomasjust2663
Жыл бұрын
@@adwoa237 US Doctors make an average of £270,000 per year, a specialist makes even more, inflation is nothing to them
@adwoa237
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasjust2663 Doesn't matter how much people earn. All that matters is how much they have at the end of the month. I know plenty of American doctors (I have some in my family) and they're skint because of student loans and lifestyle inflation.
@MyBlargh
2 жыл бұрын
Almost identical issues in the ambulance service. After 4 years of frontline work, I’m emigrating to Australia for exactly the reasons you’ve mentioned.
@audreyblack8629
Жыл бұрын
Paramedics work long hours, Public Holidays with no extra leave or time off and poor pay. Compare their job criteria with that of the railworkers who are demanding huge rises on already good salariesplus free travel, and double pay or higher for Public Holidays. How does their work compare with saving lives?
@Yelluz
2 жыл бұрын
I tried to take an MRCP test paper one night when I was drunk. I didn't even understand the questions, let alone answer them correctly. Massive respect for all medical professionals and the service you give for the benefit of others.
@Goodcitizen4
2 жыл бұрын
😃😃
@shivamsharma7084
2 жыл бұрын
Man, studying to become a doctor is hard enough, and now being a doctor is getting harder, not that it was ever easy lol
@pc3116
2 жыл бұрын
Not really they work as part of MDT . Every helath care profession have their own battle except Dr is heard the most , nurses have worst
@simzogun222
2 жыл бұрын
@@pc3116 becoming a doctor is the most difficult
@conqueror445
2 жыл бұрын
@@simzogun222. Wait till you apply for specialization.
@PLOA_UNSTOPPABLE
2 жыл бұрын
@@simzogun222 as you think or assume
@woolgloves
2 жыл бұрын
@@conqueror445 you mean getting a MS or MD degree? Can you explain briefly
@bluefishtutors7656
2 жыл бұрын
It's a similar situation in education. I did my PGCE in secondary education in 2019 and many students on the course were thinking about their exit plan. It baffles me why doctors and teachers are so underpaid. People outside will just shrug their shoulders and say the pay is decent. Failing to appreciate the insane number of hours put in week in, week out, leaving no room for a social life. What a lot of people also fail to appreciate is that workers in the public sector are not bound to the state and can leave anytime. We're free individuals and there is literally a world of opportunity out there for teachers and doctors and nurses
@carolenmarch7445
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a teacher , too! We've been told were expected to work 60-70 hours a week in our twice OUTSTANDING state comp .No life-work balance .Constantly under threat of OFSTED arriving any day , and , my God if we don't get another OUTSTANDING ! On top of that , we can't get a GP a appointment when sick. l studies Medical Physiology at a reputable University medical school and have fairly recently spotted hyperparathyroidism and a 10.5 cm diameter fibroid when my GPs told me the was nothing wrong with me ( had to get private diagnostic tests to refute their diagnosis !) Now , alarmingly , when staff can't see a GP they ask me what l think the problem is !!! I tell them what it might be but ADVISE TO HANG ON IN THERE AND GET A GP APPOINTMENT! Our practice only has 2 GPs most days seeing 16, 000 patients , currently.
@jibjub2121
2 жыл бұрын
12 years of tories destroying public services to pay for a housing market crash caused by greedy bankers.
@bluefishtutors7656
2 жыл бұрын
@@carolenmarch7445 I think there's a toxic culture around health generally in education. I remember a placement mentor boasting about how she had never taken a sick day in a decade and basically saying if you have a cold you're still well enough to teach. I hope overall schools are more lenient towards giving teachers sicks days and time for doctor's appts. post pandemic, but your story sounds a little concerning! I've left teaching for tutoring myself. Realised early on the pay did not compensate for the impact teaching was having on my physical and mental health. I think if the job demands almost all the hours you have, you should be financially well compensated
@carolenmarch7445
2 жыл бұрын
Nope.Theres an equation that's applied to your absence exceed the formula and your in the Head of HR's office. Being off is almost as stressful as staggering in I'll...All those cover lessons you have to prepare .And of course there dropping that bomb shell that you're going to be off...like detonating a nuclear bomb .Yes , things have changed, for the worse ! Just lost 2 experienced physicists to the private sector , less hours more pay , less admin and pointless meetings .
@mogznwaz
2 жыл бұрын
Not underpaid. Under appreciated perhaps. so many schools are now oversubscribed and trying to manage multiple languages and cultures thanks to mass immigration, so the pressure has increased - but the same teachers are commie activists and love open borders so bring it upon themselves frankly because they’re all whining snowflakes
@IndusbeautyMUA
2 жыл бұрын
This is the same for those completing thier PGCE. Many trainee teachers were leaving the profession before even completing their training. The reason we're similar to medical students and junior doctors. We teachers, including trainee teachers worked so hard during the pandemic and not even once did the government acknowledge our effort and dedication to the profession and children.
@carolenmarch7445
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah , they used us to get the economy going again by ordering us back into the classroom. No acknowledgement or thanks .Some of my colleagues have had covid 3 times ...been lucky , had it once but the virus infected my spinal nerves and had problems walking for 9 weeks, was off for 3 weeks ( bad vibes came my way for being off so long ), was hauling myself up stairs using both hands on bannister, let alone the fatigue that covid brings. Many think teachers are failed academics , were not ! By his own admission , my lab partner admitted l was more academically able than me .He went on to do medicine and soon emmigrated, has a good life as a GP in New Zealand .l have the stress and low pay of secondary school teaching .
@audreyblack8629
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but you get 3 months holiday a year plus inset days etc. and you don't work weekends or night shifts! PGCE students only study for a year on top of a 3 year degree and then get good money. Doctors have to study for 10 years. Where is the comparison?
@carolenmarch7445
2 жыл бұрын
@@audreyblack8629 Let's get the facts straight , first. Your teacher's job description is way off the mark. 1. I teach in a twice OFSTED OUTSTANDING state comprehensive. Senior management told my colleague that we're expected to work 60 -70 hours a week. 2. Weekends... all teachers work weekends. How can Friday's marking be done for Monday's lesson otherwise ? Similarly, how are you going to prepare Monday's lesson if you don't work weekends? Then there's the teacher assessed component of some syllabuses. 3. Trips and educational visits can take up a whole weekend .You burn the midnight oil earlier in the week to make sure when you return that Monday's lessons are covered and any other required marking. 3. The night shift ...we often work until 11.00pm at night, and once, until 4.00am in the morning, a marking teacher assessed component ; other colleagues have done similar Deadlines are deadlines . It's not a job openly advertised as having a 'night shift' but the full -time work load is punishing . 4. INSET , a day filled with so much information input it's impossible to absorb it all, then for the last 2 hours you go off in departments do do more, and finish that off outside hours. It's non- contact teaching time, yes, but neither is it a holiday as you infer. 5. Training ...It takes 6 years to fully qualify as a teacher. You need a 2:1 , a PGCE , then 2 years school-based probation. Some of us have a First from the likes of Oxford ( by his own admission , l was more academic than my lab partner, who went on to study Medicine; we studied Medical Physiology .) Teachers are by no means academically inferior. 6. Holidays ...every holiday except the summer of which 3-4 weeks are work -free, are used to get through marking or preparing for the next teaching unit. We've just lost 2 senior Physics teachers with young children, because family life, amoungst other things, was under pressure from the relentless workload. Weve had to take on 2 newly qualifieds.7. Pay...a newly qualified is paid around 26 k atm , top of main payscale is where most teachers are and is around 38k. I wish it was as you describe , but sadly it is not . Both teachers and doctors have a punishing workload, are paid poorly for the skill set and service we deliver and are underappreciated. Point to note: without teachers there would be no doctors...no skilled workers , no economy. I've crammed students for medical ( and dental ) school in my time . I hope this clarifies your misconception .
@carolenmarch7445
2 жыл бұрын
@@audreyblack8629 addendum: 8. INSET is non - teaching time but us so packed with information it's impossible to assimilate . You then go to departments to work on further assignments and finish off outside hours . It is by no means the holiday you infer.
@mattylamb9194
Жыл бұрын
@@carolenmarch7445 - supermarket workers had to work throughout the pandemic. Stop bleating on about working during a pandemic. Newsflash - schools were shut for months and then your unions tried to put in extra restructions to protect you poor lambs
@xavier4260
2 жыл бұрын
There are so many doctors leaving but the application rate for medicine is 10 to 1 , so how do they expect to fill in all this gab 🤔
@eliakimjosephsophia4542
2 жыл бұрын
There is always doctors willing to come in from abroad, same with nurses.
@marigoldbeam5475
2 жыл бұрын
Import foreign doctors trained at much poorer countries expense.
@ea3414
2 жыл бұрын
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542 Which is what keeps wages low.
@ea3414
2 жыл бұрын
@@marigoldbeam5475 Not the mention the massive brain drain.
@marigoldbeam5475
2 жыл бұрын
@@ea3414 That's the way of the current economic world order. If you don't like it work to change it, instead of just focusing on one sectors wages and conditions.
@Mazzie2022
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant piece. I found this extremely interesting and insightful and also quite sad that there are so many issues as to why doctors and nurses are leaving the NHS. All of the speakers were very clear and explained everything very concisely. Excellent presentation.
@DocGoku
2 жыл бұрын
Well As a doctor from India what you are complaining is about is something just we can wish for ....The Residents/ junior Doctors in most of clinical branches of our country work more the 100+ working hours and the no Overpay for night duties or extra hours also there is risk of getting beaten , literally 😅
@neetphodovideos9687
2 жыл бұрын
The competition in India horrible
@aditiroy6851
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree bro, however, I happily see the patients, as there is little to no chance of seeing such a wide variety of cases anywhere else in the world....you truly have to be an insane workaholic to love being a clinical resident here in 🇮🇳
@lightandnightEQUINOX
2 жыл бұрын
Agree. Not from india but also from asia. we have the same system. I find it appalling that the residency training pay is so bad that its not even enough to be independent.
@DocGoku
2 жыл бұрын
@@lightandnightEQUINOX there would be a disaster in our own country if someone is asked to work forr 100 + hours /week on such pays but since its doctor they think its our moral responsibilty, they forget we have our own lifes & families to look after 1st
@craigthebrute7929
2 жыл бұрын
The cost of living in the UK is much, much higher than india. Quality of life in india increases every year, quality of life in the UK decreases every year.
@Whatmobiledeal
2 жыл бұрын
The NHS isn’t fit for purpose anymore. Without a doubt there is a lack of funding but all we see is massive wait times and being unable to get a GP appointment. It seems like things have gotten far worse since the covid pandemic. My son recently had a bad nose bleed and went to A&E and waited over 5 hours and in the end came home and thankfully we managed to stop his nose bleeding. Also he he a bad fever/sore throat and rash all over his body last weekend. We called GP surgery and was told he had to have a PCR test before they would see him. Had one and came back negative. Called GP to be told they STILL couldn’t see him as too busy! He had been I’ll for 4 days by this point. Thankfully I have Bupa health insurance which allowed me to use the Babylon application and he had a video consultation and was diagnosed with scarlet fever and prescribed antibiotics. We will NEVER use the NHS again unless we’re absolutely desperate. The government need to wake up and invest what is needed to get the NHS back to being something we’re proud of.
@amronemhb2448
2 жыл бұрын
The government want it this way, they want to ruin it, basically
@jamie7374
2 жыл бұрын
I am a third year Student Nurse due to qualify next year, and I am unsure if I want to be a Nurse in the NHS. I am considering emigrating to Australia after I qualify.
@julietcrowson3503
2 жыл бұрын
Go somewhere else. Ozzzz has the same laws, and lawyers... All Corrie if you get my drift ...
@traceybullard2199
2 жыл бұрын
I think the term "junior" derogatory for someone who has been a qualified practicing doctor for more than two years. Hospital staff at levels other than consultant, surgeon etc are ALL underpaid and unappreciated. As usual those who do the most work are the worst paid 😠
@Kaplan20
2 жыл бұрын
As a healthcare profession what surprises me the most is how very few doctors/nurses/pharmacists fail to highlights the biggest problem is the healthcare system and the attitude of UK public. To put things in the most simple term the NHS acts as a sponge for so many problems which in many culture would hold the person directly accountable but its not politically correct to say this in UK such as obesity related ailments, alcoholism, failure for family to look after their elderly parents or individuals failing to take bold decision to overcome difficulties in life and instead they class it as a mental health problem. The reality is the kitchen sink is thrown at NHS which is not sustainable by trying to deliver everything we fail to deliver anything. I think that is also the reason why so many people are quitting because of the system and our regulators is another issue. Most of us feel with dread when we think of the case of Dr Bawa-Garba that poor women was hung out to dry.
@SamOwenI
Жыл бұрын
The problem is nobody would want the NHS to discriminate based on whether people are unwell based on their own unwise choices. Where does that mindset end? You'd eventually start penalising people for skiing or riding a motorbike because they put themselves at such high risk of requiring Orthopaedic services. This approach to a healthcare system is hard to enforce. What you do see is the government trying to prevent disease with public health and media campaigns, school education, GPs, pharmacists etc.
@Kaplan20
Жыл бұрын
@@SamOwenI I worked in this system for 10+ years and its true there will be winners and losers with what I am saying but this give everyone a fair chance to access NHS instead of a small minority hogging the services. I am sorry this sounds really harsh in terms of enforcing it is doable but no politician both Labour and Conservative will never enact such system because they will lose the election.
@SamOwenI
Жыл бұрын
@@Kaplan20 indeed, very difficult to enforce in a democracy.
@Kaplan20
Жыл бұрын
@@SamOwenI Absolutely funding NHS is for popularity purposes by political parties rather than what this country can realistically afford. For example 10% of NHS budget is spent on GP and Dentist but they are the most heavily used source in NHS. Huge amount is used to treat for conditions like diabetes and obesity which is due to the prevailing ignorance of general population. The NHS worked in the past because Britain did not have an endemic crisis of obesity/diabetes, alcoholism and etc. Instead they could spend more in training and recruiting medical staff. Throwing more money will not solve the problem. The NHS needs to be rebooted but no politician is decent enough to follow this through this applies to all the UK political parties.
@jenwhite8832
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has spent a lot of time as a patient, I really really want doctors and nurses to have tight limits to how many hours they can work a day and a week. I’m not being dramatic when I say I don’t want a doctor or nurse who works more than four hours a day. I don’t want to see any nurse that feels they don’t have the time to sit down for lunch, or the time to use the restroom. Also, I’m not shocked to hear junior doctors saying all the things that are in this video. The NHS has been in crisis for a while (I moved to the UK from another country), and when I had my first interaction with it almost 20 years ago, I was a bit shocked at how dysfunctional everything was. On a personal level, I will do anything I can to avoid having to interact with the NHS - this is following years of being at the bottom of the pile of 💩 as a vulnerable patient (I am aware junior doctors are near the bottom with us, not saying it starts with them)
@SKay92
2 жыл бұрын
Not just doctors, community pharmacists are also leaving the profession because of similar reasons.
@Liljenbergful
2 жыл бұрын
The NHS Car leasing scheme is an INCREDIBLE benefit. I've never seen such a benefit in the private sector. It's untrue that one needs to be a consultant to practice privately. The private medical & surgical sector is full of doctors who did not complete specialist training, many of them self employed. Take a look for example at the cosmetic medicine & surgery sectors and you will see there are probably more "junior" docs than consultants.
@umenn
2 жыл бұрын
A very honest video, we have got pretty much the same situation in Germany.
@bronzy958
2 жыл бұрын
It is despicable how the UK doctors regulator has treated doctors from abroad including Dr Bawa Garba, Dr David Sellu and Dr Manjula Arora. You can search for these and learn for yourselves.
@baz295
2 жыл бұрын
a lot of british doctors come here in saudi arabia and gulf to work. This video explain a lot. i hope you had a rise in salary.
@wombat6190
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a doctor in Australia. It's very much the same here now. Over supply of medical students but refusal by the government to create more training spots. For instance, on average only 1 person is accepted onto the paediatric surgery training program every 2 years. I've been allowed to practice surgery everywhere in Aus for 8 years now but I'm still unable to progress with my career because I can't get a training spot. After putting in over 100 hrs/week (not even counting on call hours/unpaid overtime/unpaid cpd requirements) year after year, I'm on the cusp of leaving the system myself. I see a lot of UK doctors coming over, but sadly they end up disappointed when they realise it's pretty much the same in Australia now. But hey at least it's sunny.
@goldenknowledge5914
2 жыл бұрын
1 training spot per 2 years? Thats madness!
@miriamchirowodza8332
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling the truth. I think it is very bad not to be able to do career advancement. It's all about money
@dadt8009
2 жыл бұрын
It's over supply of medical graduates in terms of training spots, right? It's not that Australia has too many doctors.
@0doublezero0
2 жыл бұрын
Its going to happen to the USA as well. Boomers hyperinflating academia with med schools and creating a glut to get into residency.
@amronemhb2448
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience, any ideas about New Zealand. I am considering moving there
@michellebyrom6551
2 жыл бұрын
The NHS is at the point of crisis. Some would say that's deliberate in an attempt to have it privatised. That's a side issue. Both pay levels and general mismanagement by government and administrators need to be looked at. I believe they should be considered s a whole package. Nurses have degrees beyond the old RGN training. Like doctors, they spend a lot of time doing admin rather than direct patient care. Yet there's an army of management and admin staff allegedly supporting both. Funding for all medical training is lacking, there's limited further training available for those trying to do it, yet there's also a shortage of staff at all levels - including Consultants. Focussing on pay and personal working conditions simply tinkers with the details. Bold leaders from both doctors and nurses need to present a consistent plan for change. One that can be easily understood and supported by Joe Public. Yes. Reform. Recent contracts related to the Covid pandemic provides a strong argument for proper cost and quality control by those who understand how supplies are used. Bean counters are only trained to recognise beans. It's illegal for one union to strike in support of another. Its also illegal to coordinate action between unions. It is legal to have several unions taking unilateral action over the same broad time period- rail workers and train drivers come to mind - with similar goals. As both doctors and nurses have shown in the past, strikes and work to rule action allows essential treatments to continue. The public is aware of underfunding, overworked, burnt out staff being called heroes as a substitute for proper recognition of essential work. We can support you, we won't be listened to if we try to speak for you because expert opinions will suddenly come into vogue, instead of being ignored.
@peachmelba1637
Жыл бұрын
My sister died from undiagnosed cancer because the GP wouldn't see her.... you can't diagnose over the phone...it was negligence, even one of the GPs said so...I honestly would have found the money for her to go private if I'd realised that level of neglect and disinterest...I trusted the GP.i know better now.
@medicostudy101
2 жыл бұрын
I wish we'd go on a global junior doctor strike. Same case in India. Add all the political propaganda, quacks as the cherry on top. From OBG bullying to the perks issues to pvt. practise.... even as a Junior Doctor from India I can relate to this in a heart beat.
@marigoldbeam5475
2 жыл бұрын
I don't mean to sound callous, but so much of what you describe is what everyone else is going through, inflation/ stagnant salaries, lack of attractive benefits, work place bullying, slow progression or absence of opportunity for development at all, even shift working and unreliable rotas in some sectors. I think you do extremely important work, but so do other sectors who will never earn a fraction of what you earn. I know they didn't spend years swotting, but long distant lorry drivers, farm labourers, cleaners, supermarket staff, rail and bus employees are all vital to a country and are in similar situations except because of their inferior education they have absolutely no hope for progression and will still be earning peanuts to the day they retire whilst graduate doctors will have eventually moved on to become registrars and eventually consultants. Let's fix things for everyone, inflation is killing us all.
@julietcrowson3503
2 жыл бұрын
Snot with u no but hooo u no
@premium3307
2 жыл бұрын
What happens if you don't fix it is mass brain drain, leaving the poor to pick up the scraps. See post communist states as an example. I don't think the UK is that bad yet for the general population as most of these things seem to be happening to all countries across the world, however, health care workers seem particularly likely to emigrate because there are 3 or 4 countries they can make a better life in without much further training.
@Q-W-E-R-T
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the sentiment of let's fix this for all, but the truth is if you don't stand up for yourselves as a profession you will be trampled upon. The medical profession's union has done a poor job of advocating for medics for many decades. As more and more individual doctors have taken the flack for systemic failures in the NHS and pay in real terms has reduced year on year, the goodwill of NHS workers is wearing thin. Clapping for us is not enough anymore. My advice would be if you can work privately or go abroad, do so and quickly. The NHS is sinking and you need to escape before it takes you down with it
@julietcrowson3503
2 жыл бұрын
@@premium3307 it depends on what's more important - the money or family !!
@samyakjain727
2 жыл бұрын
Yes they are universal problems, but also, the work doctors do is not universal. Are you a doctor? Have you had to certify a death? I did one last night, and cried throughout. Have you managed a patient who can’t breathe? Or whose heart is shutting down? I did that day before yesterday. Can you do that? Would you do that? The responsibilities and pressures we face are so far beyond most people’s standard of normal. So we deserve to speak up for ourselves and our own rights
@riyuphoenix4533
2 жыл бұрын
This is an issue in most industries now, lots of people soon are going to be in poverty as a full time minimum wage job won't cover cost for most people. The way the government is dealing with this is bloody atrocious. Somethings going to have to give or people will doing 50 plus hours weekly (basically working themselves to death) just to get by. Things have gotten so crap over the last decade.
@Beckham6578
2 жыл бұрын
I was planning for giving plab and work in London😬
@BasedApricot
2 жыл бұрын
Currently studying for the USMLE and leaving for America soon. Can’t afford to live in the UK with such wages.
@jeihka1
2 жыл бұрын
The USA health business is a shit show
@annette1433
2 жыл бұрын
Pharmacist here …… hoping to leave next year
@0doublezero0
2 жыл бұрын
Good luck. Our matching situation sucks and getting worse by the year.
@amiranazar9846
Жыл бұрын
@@annette1433hi, I’m going to do my OSPAP this sept to be a registered pharmacist in uk. Is it worth it with the current nhs issue?
@mroosie7488
Жыл бұрын
As a biomedical scientist within the NHS , I’m considering leaving. The stress isn’t worth the pay . There’s never any staff and you’re frequently doing the job if two or three people
@samanthamansi1184
Жыл бұрын
Yes I do admin receptionist it’s pay workload and there are so many problems. Sad so many are leaving 😢
@hikariuchiha977
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly to me the UK is heading towards more and more privatisation of healthcare and I do not like it one bit
@angelawilliams1830
2 жыл бұрын
When the waiting list from a GP's urgent referral is 4-6 months and you can get a private appointment the same week, the NHS is nothing but a failing business.
@elaminmochichi7767
2 жыл бұрын
@@angelawilliams1830 Its easy to point out the problems but hard to think of solutions, thats what you all are doing.. Think up a solution rather than being headless chicken echoing the obvious.
@lumaibrahim232
2 жыл бұрын
Shame to see this happens. I lived in a country when health sector is private, is awful.. Greedy companies affects the whole community. Health and education must be a national interest, period .
@nooneanonymous3340
2 жыл бұрын
Same. I have multiple, life-long health conditions. I’d never be able to afford private healthcare. It’s terrifying.
@lumaibrahim232
2 жыл бұрын
Need to stand up and work together ..The goverment is distracting the nation by making these trouble in paying bills, cut supports... I am originally from Iraq, I smell the dirty politics policies are coming to here. When goverment wants to do something against the people,they get them distracted by something else, till their policies run smoothly.. shame we lost under these greedy people
@homehere9817
2 жыл бұрын
I’m a new provider in the US. What is NHS? Y’all are not alone! Providers/nurses are quitting here too! Shortages of providers, overloaded patients, management ignore issues and more! The high pay does not matter! It’s exhausting and fuck$ with your mental health and destroys relationships with families and spouses!
@cx_xmi6697
2 жыл бұрын
NHS is the National Health Service of the UK that provides free healthcare to the population. However it comes at a cost where the government simply disregard the staff in the NHS (all fields)
@adw802
2 жыл бұрын
Something we should fight to resist here in the US - public healthcare can only look like this. The time, motivation and effort to study medicine is devalued - in all fairness, it has to if you provide such skilled and vital services for free. Healthcare salaries are low in universal health systems and to pull it off they try to make you believe becoming a doctor is "no big deal." Military healthcare is a good example of it here in the US - those military doctors that stay longer than their GI bill requires are those that barely passed their courses and can't find employment in any good private system.
@revieworr
2 жыл бұрын
In Australia as well from hospitals also as GP's. Slavery is not so good,. the provider number system in australia = slavery because you can't just leave the hopsital and go an work for your self get paid, unlike any other job. You have to get a provider number first to get the govt rebate. So it is a form of slavery dressed up as standards.
@julietcrowson3503
2 жыл бұрын
Lawyers are globularised and C orrie. Quite Corrie...
@nelc9824
2 жыл бұрын
This is happening in most jobs including university teaching eg poor system and not sustainable with little support from senior members etc. There is a lot of emphasise on medical doctors partly because of their job roles. I was wondering what is the salary for eg a police officer or a fire fighter get? All equally tough jobs.
@Zerpentsa6598
Жыл бұрын
I know many UK doctors who have advised others NOT to even contemplate being a doctor, especially in the UK. These are doctors who are at the frontlines and not those who are part-time and hold professorships and government posts and hardly do any clinical work and shifts and get others to do the "dirty" work.
@AndreNiemand
2 жыл бұрын
Same situation NHS dentists.
@eezekiel07
2 жыл бұрын
Aheha obs and gynae is where most bullying occurs. I wonder why...
@lotachionyemenam9445
2 жыл бұрын
I can completely relate, but however, where are the doctors leaving NHS going to? Which countries have better condition with regards ease on getting residency slots and good work life balance?
@luciedvorakova2167
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how there can be a staff shortage and a bottle neck of available jobs for junior doctors at the same time?? Because there’s no one to supervise them or??
@beatrizv7611
2 жыл бұрын
I’m assuming it’s because it’s expensive to train junior doctors so there aren’t as many training positions available compared to the number of medical students
@eliakimjosephsophia4542
2 жыл бұрын
@@beatrizv7611 Same with nurses, during Cameron's reign there were 800 places and 11,000 applicants. Cameron said he was going to ship in 200,000 nurses from India because it was cheaper than training our own.
@dadt8009
2 жыл бұрын
@@beatrizv7611 Yes, you are right. It's mostly a money issue. But also if there is already staff shortage at all levels, who are going to train these trainee doctors?
@prajwalvs1659
2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, in India I was paid around 700usd a month, and i even did 86hrs duty a week ......
@elainewhitelock5347
Жыл бұрын
If N.H.S. workers are given training there should then be an agreement for them to work within the service for a certain length of time before moving on.
@gailcrowe727
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard a doctor in A and E say that GPs are not pulling their weight.
@eliakimjosephsophia4542
2 жыл бұрын
Yea, last time I was at A&E, the nurses asked "Why didn't the nurse at your GP surgery deal with this?"
@gailcrowe727
2 жыл бұрын
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542 Yes, I was asked that as well.
@eliakimjosephsophia4542
2 жыл бұрын
@@gailcrowe727 I remember one time when the GP surgery sent me to walk-in clinic and the doctor at the walk-in clinic then sent me back to the GP. The walk-in clinic has gone now, when asking about the walk in clinic we are now told its part of A&E. Patients go around and around in circles to get help when required. My recent visit to the physiotherapy sub-contractor, first they threw me off the Pilates after one session, said I had to have one-to-one, then on the next meeting, was told I don't get any physio or one-to-one because they don't have time, they have too many patients they said. Those sub-contractors are getting paid huge amounts to provide a service that they don't. I'm now seeing orthopaedics consultant at a private hospital. He's providing three months with the private physio to see how I get on.
@timthomas6248
2 жыл бұрын
Yes that was me
@gailcrowe727
2 жыл бұрын
@@timthomas6248 Yes, I expect a lot of you have said that.
@stuartf2946
2 жыл бұрын
My question to you great Doctors is, Is this worldwide issue, or is just the UK government and consultants already in post, just ignoring the serious issues? I think you all do an absolutely fantastic job, but to carry on the way it is, is just futile. Good luck to you all.
@saharsaba391
2 жыл бұрын
I feel that nowadays in this modern world every one wants to earn but dont like the Hardwork.
@chrisstevens2706
2 жыл бұрын
Actually its a great question and the answer is that its not the same in every country. The training regime is hard, mostly because the GMC have their fingers in many pies. But the NHS has its fingers also in far too many pies( eg trans issues). And the public have grown far too used to perceiving it as an extension of the family: it has as a consequence become a " bad mother".
@ololadeshadare3888
2 жыл бұрын
I worked in consulting for a while and this is my thought, no one should be asking for a 40 hour work week. Simple
@Sexyoldgeraldorivera
2 жыл бұрын
its just not worth it. the NHS is sh*t and im fed up with the British public thinking it's beyond criticism. This is one of the reasons the problems don't get addressed and now it's too late to save. I cant blame the doctors, i wouldn't stick around for this either. Same story with teaching. Just another example of the public sector being grossly mismanaged and the key workers are giving up.
@FrankFurther
2 жыл бұрын
IT'S. THE. FUCKING. TORIES.
@abdunacerhouam1089
2 жыл бұрын
I think other health care professionals such as nurses ,physiotherapyists,cleaners and others.DONT FORGET.NOT JUST DOCTORS!!!!.NO HARD FEELINGS
@maz7953
2 жыл бұрын
Let's be real the tories want the NHS to fail but somehow not be accountable. Doctors pay will increase significantly once everything is privatised. The tough times are now for junior doctors but they will improve. Unfortunately it will be the patients that suffer in the long term.
@ooh_party_party_yeahh8614
2 жыл бұрын
Was speaking to my parents about writing plab instead of neet pg....and this pops up in suggestions 😅... don't know what to do anymore... literal crossroads.
@indranighosh229
2 жыл бұрын
Haha you can watch dr ashish bamania/dr monisha on youtube to get the indian perspective i guess. At the end of the day your choice! Ps- i just gave neet ug and i think i'll persue uk too for pg let's see😂 best of luck doc!!
@shirleyw8720
Жыл бұрын
The hours and working conditions do need to be sorted out, and it may be that a strike is necessary to achieve that, but junior doctors need to be real about the decrease in the value of wages. That has happened to all of us, and those of us who earn considerably less than doctors are feeling it much more acutely.
@hoodoo457
2 жыл бұрын
So is the government trying to make any changes???
@kaxar6954
2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why when they are qualified as a doctor they are not paid as their counterparts in other developed countries. This junior doctor nonsense must stop. Either you are a doctor or not. So many consultants and no one knows what they are consultants in. Another issue I have with this NHS system is the conflict of interests. Too many doctors are allowed to work both private and NHS at the same time. How is that possible? Same nonsense happening in dentistry. You can see a private dentists but can't get a NHS dentists in the same facility.
@fionamacrae8305
2 жыл бұрын
You state that a junior doctor is anyone below a consultant. You have ignored the SAS group of doctors who are a significant part of the workforce in healthcare. Please do not ignore us -it is disrespectful and demeaning ☹
@tomickes409
Жыл бұрын
I was a GP in the NHS for 20 years....... Advice ..... finish medical school and finish training and LEAVE the UK the day you finish your postgraduate training. Plan on it work on it in years in advance. Your family will understand if they don't they are not on your side. dump them. Australia is a good alternative. I went to New Zealand.......... Best thing I ever did... sorry I didn't do it years ago......
@Redtop1965
2 жыл бұрын
If there are 9000 vacancies how come you cannot get a job?
@julietcrowson3503
2 жыл бұрын
Managers manufacture problems - if it ain't broke, they break it and they don't like free thinkers o no notabit....
@bethanhamer.8669
2 жыл бұрын
Same reasons nurses and allied health care professionals , shit Money , conditions ,stress .
@julietcrowson3503
2 жыл бұрын
Regulatory lawyers are parasitizzzzing hcps by bring false a leg ations to walabee Corts And tar gotting those of us who show managers to be a bit plank-like
@dorin17429
2 жыл бұрын
Here, before this video will catch millions of views
@sunriselotus
7 ай бұрын
Getting into med school is not the hardest part. It is a stepping stone. The journey begins from there.
@heyu123
2 жыл бұрын
It’s gonna get privatized soon
@rontocknell5400
2 жыл бұрын
This is a really important subject... but I've had to take a break from listening to it, not because of the content but because of that excruciating repetitive "music" loop in the background. Two points worth considering: 1. three or four notes being played repetitively does not qualify as "music" and 2. it is not obligatory. Most of us are quite capable of listening to what you have to say without something sort of musicky type noise playing in the background. It lends absolutely nothing to the video and is an irritating distraction. This is important information, not a Coco Pops advert. We don't need jingles. I will come back to it and try to sit through the rest of this and comment on the actual content. But please bear in mind that your audience comprises largely adults and we can listen without clapping our hands and tapping our feet (and anyway, I can't imagine anyone tapping their feet to that God awful loop). It's a common misconception among many KZitemrs that videos must be accompanied by some sort of music but there are only certain circumstances where music might be appropriate through sections where there is no narrative... and, even then, it needs to be actual music and not a repeating loop.
@AP-nj1mr
Жыл бұрын
The public just doesn't realise how much their care costs. They expect doctors to come in and do their jobs and put up with abuse and hostility from the service users for the love of "helping people" and for peanuts. The days of smoking and drinking with abandon, getting obese, not exercising and generally making all the wrong lifestyle choices and then expecting the NHS to fix you when things inevitably go wrong ARE OVER. The public expects to pay for a Ford Fiesta and receive a Bentley.
@Salem_Rabbit
2 жыл бұрын
USA is expensive but at least they are not like NHS stupid policies.
@lezbriddon
2 жыл бұрын
10 outa 10 for the chart showing wages vs freddo bars, maybe now people will get it... would have been better to show it against a gallon of petrol.....
@Okay-cd6be
2 жыл бұрын
The Tory government is intentionally doing this; the eventual goal is to privatise the NHS.
@henkuanghoung4732
2 жыл бұрын
Agree but tony blair played a major role in executing that plan.
@trextor23
2 жыл бұрын
Because the general public hates doctors for what isn't in their control and taking their anger for politicians out on doctors especially on GP. And unfortunately the hate for GPS is also common with other doctors.
@joannetucker1538
2 жыл бұрын
Same in nursing. Leaving in droves. Good luck colleagues
@hightreegarden
2 жыл бұрын
Rather than Doctors, I'd like you to focus more on 'Healthcare workers' as a whole. If you've spent any time in the NHS you'll know that everyone is part of a larger team, and the whole will not work if one part of the link doesn't. For example, in a ward where HCAs are overworked and understaffed (because ALL parts of the NHS are leaving) then the nurses need to cover what the HCAs would usually do. The nurses then have to do their job on top of that, and because of that meds errors are increased and patient outcomes are worse.
@TempleMeadsAedan
2 жыл бұрын
The UK government should watch this video
@themsdoc1231
Жыл бұрын
I left NHS due to excessive workload, bureaucracy, poor work culture, salary cap and nationality discrimination after Brexit . Good luck the UK, I have learnt a lot. Too many errors have been made to stay for longer...Medicine is a free and beautiful profession not a slavery.
@danielw5204
2 жыл бұрын
I guess the same struggles happen to many other professions as well...
@chiro19811
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. The narrative seems to be elitism. Austerity is affecting absolutely everyone; not just Junior Doctors!
@gaurav.raj.mishra
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but doctors have studied more and they've studied for a tougher degree. Even getting into it is very competitive.
@chiro19811
2 жыл бұрын
@@gaurav.raj.mishra How do you assume the credentials and qualifications of others? The Pharmacist that may have done a BSc prior to Pharmacy and then an MSc and even a PhD? That’s still 12 years of study and only 1 example. Modern medicine has changed - and I think the reality is that some doctors are disgruntled as they are no longer the pillars of society.
@gaurav.raj.mishra
2 жыл бұрын
@@chiro19811 Yes I'm sure every pharmacist has done a B.Sc., M.Sc. , PhD, B. Pharm and three other degrees too. Most of them are definitely not a simple bachelor's degree. And I'm sure they've had thousands of hours of clinical experiences from residency too.
@chiro19811
2 жыл бұрын
@@gaurav.raj.mishra Not all ‘superhero’s’ wear stethoscopes. I’m sorry to disappoint you.
@quirkycat2489
2 жыл бұрын
Also, why won't GPS begin seeing patients again, now Covid restrictions are lifted?
@elaminmochichi7767
2 жыл бұрын
Its sad you have close-minded thinking. I do hope you open your eyes sometimes.
@roryokane5907
2 жыл бұрын
GPs never stopped seeing patients. During the pandemic they simply rationed who they saw to be those they absolutely thought needed seeing in person. There simply aren’t enough GPs to meet the demand.
@julietcrowson3503
2 жыл бұрын
Phasing out general practice in prep for privatising NHS...
@DrAbhiJeet
2 жыл бұрын
And I thought medicine was dying only in India
@marisahu6420
2 жыл бұрын
There r several factors but pay is the major reason which should be emphasized
@mattylamb9194
Жыл бұрын
I'd say the conditions is a bigger issue personally
@jen_81
2 жыл бұрын
So is it illegal for junior doctors at fy2 level to practice privately?
@roryokane5907
2 жыл бұрын
Not illegal, but it simply doesn’t happen at scale.
@maryamkhan2978
2 жыл бұрын
Broken system that adds to your stress by a narcissistic nurse screaming at the top of her voice 'Leave your bottle in the office because of fucking infection control'. Like seriously!!! The crazy amount of work rarely allows you to sit let alone going to the office for a sip of water
@zkla3372
Жыл бұрын
Despite all these horrible facts medicine is still a very competitive course to get in to not sure what everyone else are aiming for ?
@circe7954
2 жыл бұрын
I want to get into the NHS but I have failed the exam to start this August… I have got a job offer already lol. Now I want to kill myself because I have to wait for another year and take two more exams instead of one…to get back in… I am well off myself and don’t need to make load of money….So basically, I am leaving a career that pay me the same amount of salary as a consultant …to be come a junior doctor who get paid only 2000£ a month… feeling so bad for myself…
@gs90000
2 жыл бұрын
I failed an exam too. I have to do a whole year again. We’ll get through this 🙏
@circe7954
2 жыл бұрын
@@gs90000 :) All the best :)
@helheimpanda
2 жыл бұрын
You got this circe, plab is not easy.
@catrinroberts1693
Жыл бұрын
I'm in two minds about applying for graduate medicine this year at 30 y.o , i would really appreciate any opinions on this pros/cons?
@ganjamozart1435
Жыл бұрын
Don't do it. I did grad entry after leaving finance. I'm quitting after F2. The only possible upside is if you have an exit strategy in place ie going to Aus/Can/NZ. Even there the health systems are struggling. I just cannot see an upside to being a doctor in the UK. Paid a pittance/toxic work environment/mindless service provision for many years/using your free time to do portfolio nonsense. Not to mention being flung around the country and the competition ratios for higher training going up and up. Oh and I forgot to mention. Your managers are shockingly incompetent. I have been trying to arrange annual leave to attend a conference this July as of December 2022. Still not sorted.
@catrin1991
Жыл бұрын
@@ganjamozart1435 thank you, I really appreciate your reply x
@ganjamozart1435
Жыл бұрын
@@catrin1991 No worries at all, feel free to ask any more questions.
@catrin1991
Жыл бұрын
@@ganjamozart1435 thank you. Do you see it getting better in the next 10 years?
@SamOwenI
Жыл бұрын
I would say it's not worth it, but this is so subjective.
@Bam97277
2 жыл бұрын
6:30 is so relatable:(
@Smart_Tamaha
2 жыл бұрын
Doctors are also human beings. They also love money and rich life like other professionals. I can understand that.
@TamaEnergy
Жыл бұрын
I'm off to auz land
@maxpayne9996
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry guys but you are all behaving as snowflakes, best doctors are from India, come to a med school and government hospital in India and you will learn about work ethic and competitiveness. Your main worry seem to be work-life balance, sleep, perks, travel……in short I feel you don’t have what it takes to become a doctor. It is a penance and only those who have the capability to give what it takes should do it, there is dearth of other relatively easy jobs with good money, leave the profession to professionals and do a jib where you get all the perks and enjoy work life balance
@sextonblake4258
Жыл бұрын
Be thankful that you can leave if you want. Choosing to Leave implies a choice is available. The people that are being sent away without help don't have another place to go. Believe it or not, most of them worked long hours too. How hard done by you are feeling is not the only issue worthy of discussion.
@WhisperedWonders68
2 жыл бұрын
Racism by the GMC is also one of the important reason to leave the NHS
@rumit9946
2 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of doctors is Asia who will gladly take your job😅
@lightandnightEQUINOX
2 жыл бұрын
Im one 😅 though their exam to get there is immense
@rumit9946
2 жыл бұрын
@@lightandnightEQUINOX true but Asians work incredibly hard and have a lot of grit. Also they aren’t too worried about “ work life balance “ 😅
@lightandnightEQUINOX
2 жыл бұрын
@@rumit9946 very true, i have seniors who work 3 day shifts and don’t complain.
@rumit9946
2 жыл бұрын
@@lightandnightEQUINOX yep, its a totally different mind set which a lot of students in privileged western countries will never understand.
@emedlearning9035
2 жыл бұрын
me too haha, preparing hard to go over lol
@markkip2001
2 жыл бұрын
Medicine is Vacation it is sad that doctors forced leaving.The pressures are very high.
@mariajason3547
2 жыл бұрын
just come to Germany why bother with NHS .........or go to Canada better...
@dianamincher6479
Жыл бұрын
NHS juniors GPs and consultants are losing their status and respect of the NHS patients and general population. They'll be dead ducks if they remain?
@holmesfamily6746
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with all your points but disappointed that you dont even mention GPs in the introduction. GP trainees are also junior doctors. There plenty of jobs out there for all of them! Yes, general practice has its own issues but is not helped if hospital doctors ignore it as a career option.
@tidus-fc8rq
Жыл бұрын
Money is everything now and to be honest the doctors have everyright to tell patients to eff off now. Honeslty they should work abroad,quit medicine or go private and help the rich where they should hopefully get financially rewarded more. The NHS is dying and poor people need to learn to take better care of themselves. Its that simple.
@lawsonspedding6136
2 жыл бұрын
Work ethic ?
@e.carroll6164
2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the main issues is a persistent sense of injustice. If you look at the salaries of various other non-medical support staff, you can clearly observe that they out-earn most junior doctor staff grades, including specialist registrars. They often out-earn doctors by a large margin, with salaries of 1.5 - 3 times the average Registrar / CT3 salary. This is not fair, and makes for a very unfair working environment. Same situation for medical administrators and managers. They are excessively remunerated, in my opinion. Heck, ambulance drivers and phlebotomists are paid more per hour than most junior doctors. Realistically, there needs to be significant pay increases, and it needs to be focused over doctors doing on-call shifts and for those who work in Emergency Departments. You simply can't keep paying everyone the same, or the productive will walk. This is quite a basic issue, but because of the number of vested interests, people pretend that it is a difficult problem to solve. The truth is that, either the other staff working in hospitals accept a pay cut, or junior doctors need to get paid more. I would prefer if other hospital non-medical staff accepted a pay cut, because this prevents a runaway inflationary-type society. However, we are dealing with some really significant vested interests, so I do not hold out hope that things will get better. Perhaps hospitals should organise remuneration around procedures performed/ interventions performed, such as how private sector radiology operates. I believe that consultants should have displayed better leadership around these issues. Many of the problems that we now see are a result of consultants staying silent about issues of persistent injustice. They did this because the system rewarded them handsomely (reward-based power) for their silence, and they wanted to "get their bag and run". However, punishment-based power, which is the system under which junior doctors operate, only goes so far. I don't even think it's a good idea to pay consultants of various disciplines the same pay. Whoever thought paying a consultant community psychiatrist (useless) and a consultant general surgeon (useful) the same pay was a good idea? One wonders how far back the monetary corruption goes... Anyway, you have to pay the worker bees (junior doctors) more than the drones, or the whole hive collapses. Some of these drones are not even drones; they are varroa mites pretending to be drones.
@mojekonto9796
2 жыл бұрын
So is there anything worse than the Polish nfz? 🧐🧐😅😅
@mikesmith8313
Жыл бұрын
With a Doctor degree, you can go private, relocate, be employed by any prestigious company in any country. It's a no brainer when these political things happen.
@iankeeley1854
2 жыл бұрын
Because they are being over worked. Would you get on a bus/ train knowing the driver hasn't had a decent break ?. But you expect a doctor to treat you
@srinivas769
2 жыл бұрын
Its almost the same scenario everywhere. I did my junior residency at a government medical college in India . We used to get paid around 400 pounds per month and it used to be credited once in 4 months. The patient load in India is very high and doctors are understaffed. Govt said we will get COVID 19 incentives for the extra time hours but we never got any.
@faisalarnob7211
2 жыл бұрын
Try having more volume of patients, more abuse and bullying, more working hours and on a pay of about 130 pounds a month (which used to be 90 pounds a few years ago)...that's bangladeshi junior doctors by the way......
@drtrishmd
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, they still haven’t paid it ? I read about that while researching for my book, Doctors are human too, how to save lives without losing yours,resilience tools for doctors. It appears the same things are happening to junior doctors across several countries.
@aformula4198
2 жыл бұрын
@@faisalarnob7211 130 pounds? How?
@faisalarnob7211
2 жыл бұрын
@@aformula4198 15,000 Bangladeshi taka, used to be 10,000 like 3-4 years ago
@ashl8804
2 жыл бұрын
It was 30 pounds not too long back in a mission hospital. 40,000/- pm isn’t bad at all for a junior hs.
@drparasmodi7740
2 жыл бұрын
Habibi come to India 🤣🤣🤣 you have to work 24 hours and salary will be in pennys
@lesleyhubble2976
2 жыл бұрын
I hope I never get so sick I have to go to hospital, it’s terrifying knowing that the doctors are tired and most probably struggle to do there job; I don’t blame them if they leave, they deserve better. We deserve better
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