Finally finished watching the video. I had the same feeling as you after watching the tour videos. If you watch the Gibson Custom Shop video, one thing I was shocked by is how many times they said “we do it this way because it’s always been done” in contrast to how often PRS said “that’s the way we used to do it but found a better way”.
@sunn_bass
9 ай бұрын
Nailed it. Gibson and Fender suffer from living in the past. But part of that is the fan base. Most people Gibson to offer original spec Les Pauls and SG the way they were originally made and same with folks wanting Fender to sell Strats and Teles the way they did it in the 50s and 60s. Heck, some folks were upset in 1977 when Fender changed the 3 way switch on the Strat to a 5 way. PRS is trying to avoid all the traditional nonsense. I like traditional instruments, but I like modern too. They can coexist.
@DbeeSapphire
9 ай бұрын
I’ve played many Fender, PRS and Gibson. Mostly owned US Fenders. I just recently bought a 2023 Gibson Les Paul standard. It’s amazing, the manner in which they build guitars doesn’t need to change in my opinion.
@StupidGuitar
9 ай бұрын
@@DbeeSapphire I didn’t say it did…
@DbeeSapphire
9 ай бұрын
@@StupidGuitar Yea, true that. Just saying. 🙂
@abrahamct6
9 ай бұрын
@DbeeSapphire well, if there is a better way that costs less production money and saves time and work, thus giving the same results or even better results, I would say the change should at least be considered. Now, if that change translates into costing less for the end user, I am all in for it.
@emartinezr
9 ай бұрын
I got the same out of a simple video from the Gibson factory. They showed the process for a couple of burst guitars and it's incredible how much human and manual labour goes into it. Just price-pointing average wages, the difference in cost skyrockets. When you also add policy, environmental and infrastructure costs... it goes extreme pretty quickly.
@SonovaBish
9 ай бұрын
I watched the Schecter USA tour with Jared Dines. It's quite involved; even with CNC doing the cutting.
@rmaxtpmx
9 ай бұрын
Any yet, people still have no idea how money works. Plus, people are always going to assume any company is lying about their own pricing. We need detailed, unbiased explanations like this.
@misteress3840
9 ай бұрын
Kiesel and Balaguer manage to make guitars w higher qc at less cost in the good ol USA than Fender or Gibson
@mrspiderman519
9 ай бұрын
Outstanding video Dylan. You said this clearly and very well. Most people do not understand what goes into making a product.
@poodleguiderpeyes7388
9 ай бұрын
I'm still love'n my Epi '59 "Inspired by Gibson" Standard, sounds great & is an easy playing LP . Also picked up a SE McCarty 594 Double Cut; it's an awexome guitar. So, it inspired me to get another SE, a new Quilt top Custom 24 Wow, I can't put it down!
@misteress3840
9 ай бұрын
I prefer Eastman to Gibson. Better qc and prices. Love the design of the Romeo LA
@DennisAlvarezMusic
9 ай бұрын
Happy New Year to you and Leslie Dylan. Since I've been watching your content I've gone from thinking of you as a pessimistic guitar snob to a realist who knows what he's talking about who is simply being honest. I've taken note of the fact that every inexpensive guitar I've purchased has come with some sort of issue. Even my my Classic Vibe Strats (a 50's in Lake Placid Blue and a 60''s in Candy Apple Red). I like to tinker with them and learn. And I've learned a considerable amount .The biggest issue with the afore mentioned is that those two is that the tremolo bars are junk. I replaced the tremolo on each with Wilkinson. An inexpensive easy upgrade. On the 50's, the E first catches on the highest fret. I don't know ho to address that. I'll have to spend money and have a very good luthier fix it. I've been a working as a full time musician for thirty years and can't have that sort 0f thing happening on stage. While on my Gibson SG Standard, it only needed the nut height set which i I did myself. I live in a very dry climate and it's my only guitar that didn't get fret sprout . And yeah there's that cool factor that you talk about
@ScottfromBaltimore
9 ай бұрын
I made a guitar from a reclaimed floor joist with chinese parts, using a drill press and a table saw, and various other tools. I'm about $200 into it I think. It's okay. Took me a few weeks.
@jayman5384
9 ай бұрын
Hey Dylan I enjoyed this stream a lot. I’m still in my 20s and I feel like people my age don’t appreciate what it takes to make stuff. Good perspective thanks!
@shayneswenson
9 ай бұрын
My Suhr guitars are genuinely a cut above the others I own(Fender/Gibson/PRS). Worth every penny imo.
@olddogguitars23
9 ай бұрын
I’ve said it before, but those guitars AREN’T expensive by historic standards when adjusted for inflation.
@norseman61
9 ай бұрын
This was an exceptionally good episode. You had a great attitude and made several really valid points. It’s nothing NEW, it’s just you were definitely in the groove tonight. Nice job!
@TeamUltraSlow
9 ай бұрын
"By the thing you want." - WINNING. Good episode, Dylan! Nice descriptions of all the "hidden cost" things that nobody takes into consideration.
@misteress3840
9 ай бұрын
Going to NAMM, Dylan? I really appreciate your videos. Great work. Thoughtful.
@ThePlanarchist
9 ай бұрын
In general agree and the Andertons factory visits were an excellent eye opener into what goes into making these things....not sure the Murphy Labs one did anyone any favours but never been a fan of relics anyway (each to their own) Then today I get an email leading me to save £6,000 on a Fender Custom Shop Joe Strummer Esquire....now only £6,999! Love to know how many they sold at the "full price" and finding it hard to think there was really that much extra work in that one over a standard custom shop Esquire (wasn't even that beat up!). 😃
@ScottfromBaltimore
9 ай бұрын
A beginner violin looks like a professional violin. Same bridge, tailpiece, headstock, tuning pegs, f holes, strings.
@BrentAdams
9 ай бұрын
The basic Material management is going to be the same regardless of where the factory is located. The "grading" and selective process in the major U.S. Guitar Companies will be more important (and each company will differ as to how important they feel this step matters...) and will have that as an added step with the added cost. Some companies will pay more attention to the moisture content than others. Those guitars should be the most stable after they leave the factories. The import guitars also have a basic Maple Top with a Flamed Maple Veneer & more pieces of wood making up the body than most U.S. made guitars. The higher end U.S. guitars will have the best 1 piece bodies. Solid Flamed Maple tops instead of basic Maple with a very thin veneer over that. Better electronics that will cost more.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Yep.
@57stratkat
9 ай бұрын
I've always preferred bolt-on necks due to the versatility of being able to change necks if an issue develops. You can buy a quality neck for less than the cost of a fret job these days.
@richardzahumensky5253
9 ай бұрын
You don’t talk about Godin he biggest manufacturer of guitars in North America, there Canadian. They have great quality & great prices, look it up.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
I know who they are I just don’t like their guitars that much
@richardzahumensky5253
9 ай бұрын
@@DylanTalksTone regardless of personal bias should they not be in the conversation? Isn’t the idea of your channel to provide facts on the guitar industry?
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
I can't offer facts on something I Dont know much about.... @@richardzahumensky5253
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
I would however start with your “fact” that Godin is the biggest manufacturer in North America just being a non fact that has just been repeated without verification.
@charlesbolton8471
8 ай бұрын
@@DylanTalksTone Without researching it myself I would think it was “suspect” at best considering that Mexico is in North America and Fender, Taylor, and Martin all produce a significant number of instruments in Mexico. It is very telling with Martin and the fanfare they devote to production milestones like the millionth Martin, the 1.5 millionth Martin, and 2 millionth Martin. It took Martin over 150 years to reach the one millionth Martin, and less than 20 years to add the second million.
@WhyAlwaysMeMario
9 ай бұрын
Dylan, explaining economics to hobby guitar players is pointless. Most hobby "players" just want to have the guitar they wish they could afford... but can't. The truth is Gibsons and Fenders have ALWAYS been expensive. The Les Paul was nearly 2K when introduced. Same goes for the Fender Broadcaster. Oh, BTW, back then cases were not included.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Doesn’t matter, this is something I enjoy
@charlesbolton8471
8 ай бұрын
It drives me crazy when people say Leo Fender’s goal was to make affordable guitars for the masses. Leo was chasing the same customers (professional musicians) that Gibson was chasing. The only reasons why Fender instruments were less expensive than Les Pauls was because of Fender’s production methods, lower labor costs, and lower component costs because Leo was cheap (at least until professional musicians he respected suggested he use something different).
@sunn_bass
9 ай бұрын
Great video. The logistics and overhead are more important as any company scales up. There is so much that has to happen before that tree even hits the CNC. I always like the "as good as" discussion. I think it can mean so many things that it becomes meaningless. The more important thing is does the guitar meet someones needs and does someone want to pay more for frills or features they don't need. As a bassist I always like how some players immediately replace a stock bent metal fender bridge with a high end $200 or $300 bridge because the classic Fender bridge is not "as good as" this hi-mass brand X bridge. To me the Fender bridge is perfectly adequate and for all practical purposes is "as good as" the hi end one. Sure I understand the manufacturing process is miles apart in cost and I respect the quality of the high end one, but the bent metal bridge fits my needs. I have basses with both types and from a form, fit and function perspective it doesn't matter to me. Again great topic.
@ScottfromBaltimore
9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure you could buy a whole small town in Indiana for the cost of a PLEK machine.
@jimwoodard64
9 ай бұрын
While I agree with most everything you said, the thing about set and bolt-ons is not quite what I saw on the tours. Both Gibson (Custom and USA) and PRS showed the process of setting a neck, and that requires a person to hand sand the last bit, regardless of price point. And they rarely (if ever) get it right the first time. That's straight from the horses' mouths. You can't have any space in that neck pocket. Yet we see bolt-on necks with air in those pockets. Of course, not the higher end products (usually), but the mid-tier to budge often do. Does that mean that set and bolt-on are in a better/worse race? No. Just saying that I wouldn't use glue without some type of neck joint other than two flat surfaces to fight string tension. [edited to add] I went on the PRS Experience tour in 2018 when the Silver Sky first hit the streets. That was a big launch and it gives you a perspective on the build processes, that's for sure. I recommend it to anyone who can get to Silver Springs, MD.
@dividedbytimestudios
9 ай бұрын
We never see a “Chapman” factory tour 😂
@shanewalton8888
9 ай бұрын
lol Dude, there is a Chapman factory tour on the Net. Did you even bother to check?
@dividedbytimestudios
9 ай бұрын
@@shanewalton8888 guess I missed that one, thank you for your wisdom, I retract my statement
@PaulCooksStuff
9 ай бұрын
And ironically the videos mention how he filtered factories and personally visited them to find ones that treat their staff well.
@secretguitarlab
9 ай бұрын
absolutely enjoying this video!!!
@bouzoukiman5000
9 ай бұрын
It must cost less to make a Les Paul for instance now than in the 1950's because they spent decades finding better deals with suppliers, cheaper ways to make parts, and cutting costs in general. The thing is companies will not share the savings with the customer and will use perceived pricing. If they share savings with customers their inestors will feel like they're "losing money" by charging less then their competitors who do the same thing and will pull their money
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Yeah…. No.
@podfuk
9 ай бұрын
Yeah...Yes. If only Gibson didn't blew hunderds of millions in dumb ideas like Firebird X, robot tuners or trying to become "lifestyle" brand and aquering failing companies like TEAC or KRK...
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
You should keep up…. That’s old news.
@Scott__C
9 ай бұрын
I saw a few years back a guy at Framus said when they get wood in, it's air dried for 3-5 years. I'm always amazed how people want to pay little to nothing for stuff but want to get paid big bucks themselves, i.e. they don't apply the logic for why they want a good salary.
@guitar-niche
9 ай бұрын
Regarding opinions and responses, Rick Beato recently made an interesting comment about comments: "If somebody writes a negative comment - it's about them, if somebody writes a positive comment - it's about them."... There you have it sports fans.
@waynebake1123
9 ай бұрын
If you can't afford something human psychology drives you to take a shit on it. "I don't want it anyway!" Personally, I never understood why nitro finishes are more expensive till I tried to finish a raw wood guitar body with it. Just that experience alone taught me about what goes into instrument making, and why expensive guitars are expensive. It's not a 1:1 ratio of cost:benefit. That doesn't mean the benefit isn't there as price goes up.
@honkytonkinson9787
9 ай бұрын
I think there may be a factor of people looking at these things as toys that they want, versus tools to do a job, or a piece of art or a luxury item. They aren’t content to just buy the cheaper toy that does they same thing, so they have to hate on the thing they won’t work to earn. Maybe they’re jealous of these KZitemrs that have a room full of expensive guitars, amps, and pedals, in addition to video and audio recording gear to make videos! I’m a little jealous myself 😂
@cwwisk
9 ай бұрын
Thoughts on multi-scale and/or True-Temperament
@misteress3840
9 ай бұрын
Only custom shop Fenders can compete with Kiesel “strats”
@christopherfidler3019
9 ай бұрын
there is a typo in the video description 'dylanadnleslie'
@ScottfromBaltimore
9 ай бұрын
Why buy a pricey guitar when I can just cut down a tree, saw it into blanks, dry it for a couple years, work on it with a bunch of tools in my shop, and then go buy tuners and fret wire and glue and varnish and sandpaper and and and
@TheRealDealBobbySteele
9 ай бұрын
If the company owns vs rents will effect the cost of storage
@jamesonpace726
9 ай бұрын
This answers the question, "what's the difference between a $500 guitar & a $5000 guitar" nicely....
@anthonyrosa5006
9 ай бұрын
Squier and Epiphone for the most part just accept whatecver woods are cheap and available and will suit the purpose (MORE OR LESS) and they will go with that. I just bought a PRS SE DGT last month. I have about 2 dozen instruments from one or two cheap Chinese instruments that are playable beaters to the top shelf Fender or midrange Gibsons. The SE may not be flawlwess but I believe that the quality of the PRS SE is as good as the Gibson's produced in the USA. I can only go by the examples in my collection.
@taurektaurek6213
9 ай бұрын
After wtaching your video, for me two main questions remain: 1) Wheer is the sweet spot where better wood selection is only cosmetic but not creating a musically better e-guitar? And 2) In your opinion which low income countries better than living wages are paid for excellent "slow" guitars?
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
It doesn’t matter… if you like better wood buy better wood. Why does it have to be functional. This is your hobby. You should enjoy it. This is not buying socks
@taurektaurek6213
9 ай бұрын
@@DylanTalksTone Well, but assuming thst you can afford great socks, but not amazing, diamant-adorned socks?
@williamsporing1500
9 ай бұрын
Andertons from the UK did an hour long video of the Gibson factory. Watch and you’ll understand
@ChristopherOrth
8 ай бұрын
On your comment that you can't compare different guitars to each other for various manufacturing and design reasons.... I completely understand what you are saying. Yet, this is exactly why the guitar industry is in a period of largely unrecognized reckoning. As an intellectual or manufacture side exercise your approach stands. But it does not for consumers. All of those products ARE in fact commodities to a consumer. They will see them all lined up next to each other and make purchase choices based on things that have zero relevance to your manufacturing decisions. This shows up over and over and over in cycles in any economy. An easy example is when the internet appeared and you could now buy an item without the added overhead of a retail store operational cost attached. Brick and mortar tried to justify their need as if the consumer owed them, but we all know how that worked out. Any business who changes, iterates and innovates to meet the new consumer expectations and changed needs will survive. All others will be culled, and their resources will be transferred to a company that can better make use of them (from an economics standpoint). So bottom line... most people will never pay thousands of dollars for a guitar, no matters who's belt scratches are on it. Just because the manufacturer feels something is important doesn't mean the consumer will. And because there are choices, the consumer will win in the end. Don't believe me? his is not music industry specific.. Do some research... right after you ask Moog how high priced hand made instruments worked out for them as a business approach.
@nethbt
9 ай бұрын
ANY guitar that costs north of 2 Grand should come with stainless steel frets because I don't understand why nickel frets are still a sentimental choice to some. Heck YAMAHA was able to do it with their $800 Revstars with no compromises and other cost cutting measures, I still think that the Revstar Standard is still the best value guitar for 2 years running now.
@lou.yorke.x
9 ай бұрын
Agreed! and if they made a Pacifica with SS frets ...
@downshift00
9 ай бұрын
90% of people don't need SS frets.. It's a huge marketing gimmick. All the great guitars of the past never had SS frets. Come on man.
@taurektaurek6213
9 ай бұрын
Well, when you group the (North) American stuff together: Would you agree that USA and Canadan are on par, but Mexican a little less good?
@taurektaurek6213
9 ай бұрын
Or more in guitar terms: I might be able to spend 1000 to 1500 USD on one great guitar, but not more. so on what to focus to get a great instrument (without having a bad conscience.. and I think at least that the Mexican factories pay living wages, eg)
@primeDecomposition
9 ай бұрын
The way Gibson does the necks, they have to set in at a specific angle, so the person who does it has to shape the tenon, fit it, measure, shave the tenon some more, remeasure, on and on, it’s a skill position that takes quite a bit of time and practice to master. I don’t think it’s as simple as slap some glue on it and throw it in the pocket. A rather glib comparison on your part dude! I’m not even an expert, I bet it’s even more complicated and trickier than I described.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
I made it pretty clear that it depends on the build and I used a fender style neck as an example so….
@primeDecomposition
9 ай бұрын
@@DylanTalksTone Depends on the build… virtually all Gibson necks are joined to their respective bodies in this way, most Fender necks are bolt on. YOU claimed the Gibson joint is EASIER to complete than a Fender. That’s just blatantly wrong. If Fender fucks up a neck pocket and there’s gaps on the sides (loose pocket), whatever! Neck’s bolted down so it still goes out. Neck pocket routed too deep? They just stick a shim in it and send it out. The Gibson neck pocket 1) must be tight-fitting 2) and the neck joint has to be hand-sanded to fit into each particular pocket so that it achieves a specific angle. It’s MORE labor-intensive, point blank. I just wanna correct your silly claim. Otherwise, I’m sure you know far about guitars and guitar construction than I do. I don’t even know why you said such a thing.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
@@primeDecomposition no…… that is not what I claimed.
@primeDecomposition
9 ай бұрын
@@DylanTalksTone Yeah not explicitly, perhaps, you said “it’s easier to set a neck than to make a bolt-on.” Which just isn’t necessarily true, certainly not in the case of Gibson neck. Whatever, maybe it was an inadvertent blanket statement. Hopefully you see logical fallacy: just because a Fender neck could be easily glued in as a set neck, doesn’t mean ALL guitars are such. Hence, there often is quite a bit more involved with doing a set neck design than a bolt on. Some people just relish being contrarians.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
I said …. You can take a fender style neck, glue it, instead of bolt it,and do it faster. (For a proper like for like comparison) this is true. I have seen it and tested it.
@rmaxtpmx
9 ай бұрын
Let's establish a rule: If you haven't successfully built a guitar from raw materials, you don't get to cry about the cost of a guitar, or make "as good as" claims. Play what you like, and stop there.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
lol. That’s a good idea
@JuddLofthouse
9 ай бұрын
Great video and I agree about Lee/know it all Anderton 🤣🤣🤣
@MotownGuitarJoe
9 ай бұрын
Many years ago, Gibson LITERALLY chose "high prices" as a marketing strategy, to make their product seem higher quality than it actually was. And it worked. They'll not get my money. Much best is available for less.
@charlesbolton8471
8 ай бұрын
How many years ago was that “decision” made? It seems to me that Gibson has always been expensive.
@ChroniclesOfASadPunk
8 ай бұрын
Lee Anderton is a saint!
@Stratisfied22
9 ай бұрын
I don't have a problem with the price as much as I do with my American Fender having the worst fretjob I've ever seen, crappy pickups, chipped edges on the fretboard, and cheap hardware. My Schecter Nick Johnston absolutely blows it away for half the price.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Why didn’t you return it
@Stratisfied22
9 ай бұрын
I got a ridiculous deal on it and I know how to level and crown so I did the work myself. Still has crappy pickups and hardware but plays sweet now, lol. I should have you make me a set of pickups for it. @@DylanTalksTone
@HeavyRightHand09
9 ай бұрын
Dylan, bro. I love you man, but I'm just gonna say it: stop spending so much time in an your videos arguing with people who aren't there. It's not fun to watch. If people make stupid comments, scroll on. That's something I'm working on in my personal life as well. It certainly feels better to read those comments with indifference rather than irritation. These people aren't going to go away. We can't control them or their uninformed opinions. The only thing we can control is our response. I can't speak for the rest of your regular viewers, but I miss your old content. Stuff like guitar, maintenance tutorials and education. That's what brought me to your channel. Much love, and hope you and Leslie are doing good!
@nocturnal101ravenous6
9 ай бұрын
Fair enough and well said, but You also have Companies like Relish, I even called ahead of time that they were too expensive and their business model wasn't sustainable. Lambo and Ferrari may still be around, but their business model doesn't work because they don't exist to be profitable they exist to fund F1 passion as Enzo even stated in his biography, business is tough and there are many focuses of corporations especially these days some for passion, some for stock market ticket prices, some for profit, some for political agendas. Everyone has an agenda. Consumers tend to be piss poor and prosumers are even worse depending on the product type. I would argue Gibson barely held on over the years, and its give and take, I am sure Gibson and Fender survive based more so on the mass sales at lower profit margins of Squier and Epiphone and their mid range guitars of between the $600 to $1500(going by pre-pandemic).In the DIY PC space industry there was always the knowledge that once you went over $1000 the people that could actually afford your product takes a nose dive.
@olddogguitars23
9 ай бұрын
You could donate blood and have enough to buy a Gibson Les Paul in a year.
@mike70s
9 ай бұрын
I think Lee is just overwhelmed and excited. It's like seeing inside Santa's workshop. It would also be quite intense with all the noise, etc of a factory. I think he comes across as excited as anyone would be who loves guitars
@Serjm87
9 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@misteress3840
9 ай бұрын
I think Lee’s kind of obnoxious but it serves him well as a salesman
@mistergoat7357
9 ай бұрын
I’m still in the hobbyist category of guitar building having sold less than 20. I challenge anyone to set out to make the cheapest guitar they possibly can, assign your hourly labor a dollar amount. Do math. What is your cost? Mark it up 130-150%. Would you buy it for that?
@EricJohnson-fh8zj
9 ай бұрын
Small builders don't have giant factories with laborers that can pump out crates full of guitars each day. Comparing boutique builders to assembly lines isn't even a valid argument. Each peoce of equipment they spend money on is acquired to increase production and profit margins, so saying they are more expensive because of the machinery they invest in is ridiculous. That machinery will always make the cost of production less in the long term, not more. The extra cost is in the brand name and marketing....and corporate stock gains. Not because of any "super extra high costs it takes to achieve a absolute superior quality product". Thats B.S. They could easily sell them for far less and still have healthy profits, but corporations are by nature greedy beasts. But they will always charge the very most they can get away with from thier customers. That's the way it is. Period. But we still don't have to like it.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Equipment doesn’t increase margins….
@alanjackman2296
9 ай бұрын
The American stuff isn't better it's just more expensive lol😂
@shanewalton8888
9 ай бұрын
Agree. Japanese guitars are much better made than the crap Gibson is putting out these days.
@fawkesandhound
9 ай бұрын
Keep smoking’ that cope lol.
@jordanpratt3821
9 ай бұрын
@shanewalton8888 which Gibsons did you try, and what was wrong with them??
@gordonplatter9162
9 ай бұрын
There is also the cost of maintenance for the machine s
@rhoff7272
9 ай бұрын
I once heard someone say "the price of your item is directly related to how the workers who made it were treated".
@TheRealDealBobbySteele
9 ай бұрын
Gretsch mini humbuckers vs Gibson 😊
@TheRealDealBobbySteele
9 ай бұрын
Thoughts on Gretsch
@doctorscoot
9 ай бұрын
I couldn’t stand to watch that PRS tour because Lee Anderton made the thing unwatchable in the first 5 minutes. But yeah, the process has a lot more complexity than people imagine.
@TheRealDealBobbySteele
9 ай бұрын
Gretsch vs Gibson mini humbuckers
@kevinjenner9502
9 ай бұрын
My Shijie S-style guitar, made in China, has replaced my 2 FCS strats as my favorite, at 1/4 of the price. Roasted neck and SS frets.
@mr.giggles4995
9 ай бұрын
Why is Gibson selling $68 t-shirts, $275 denim jackets, $145 button-up shirts, and cheap-quality snapback baseball caps for $60?
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Because they are smart.
@ServantofErra
9 ай бұрын
Gibson knows that even people who don’t really know much about Guitars still know who Gibson is, and generally hold it high regard (even if that isn’t really deserved). As such, they know they can sell other products and expand their brand outside of guitars. They know they can make a lot of money as a lifestyle company, much more than they would from selling just guitars.
@honkytonkinson9787
9 ай бұрын
Maybe the tone wood stuff starts to make sense when the guitar is 99% of the way there and you’re looking for that fraction of a percentage better. Sort of like a pro athlete trying to shave fractions of a second off a sprint time. It’s ridiculous to most of us but for that OCD anal retentive pro guitarist the flames and magic smoke give them the edge they feel like they need at that corporate gig where all the VPs are debating which part of the wood grain has the most tone
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Or… it’s super stable and stays in tune… or… it is just cool.
@honkytonkinson9787
9 ай бұрын
@@DylanTalksTone yes, wood grain is cool. I secretly nerd out on bird’s eye and flamey figuring.
@mr.giggles4995
9 ай бұрын
How good you sound is directly correlated with the amount of liquor the audience has consumed.
@TheRealDealBobbySteele
9 ай бұрын
???????? Gretsch mini humbuckers vs Gibson mini humbuckers
@nicholaswoolfenden5254
9 ай бұрын
Stop. Boring
@TheRealDealBobbySteele
9 ай бұрын
I’m only seeing six comments and they are all mine but one
@dividedbytimestudios
9 ай бұрын
Now I’m curious companies like PRS we see the reason they cost $4000, but speaking of Lee what about companies like “Chapman” and “Victory Amps” do they have the same justification for high prices when they sub contract it all out?
@StupidGuitar
9 ай бұрын
Hard to say without knowing their deals but any time you add a middle man you’re adding another layer of people that need to make money thus more money vanishing into the ether
@PaulCooksStuff
9 ай бұрын
Chapman prices are low relative to the spec. They have no distributor margin. Factory direct to retailer. It's very difficult to find an equivalent WMI-built guitar (schecter, PRS etc) at a lower price than chapman if you try and compare WMI apples with WMI apples, for example.
@MichiganSkip
9 ай бұрын
I watched the Fender and Gibson tours. Very informative. I appreciate your trying to show people why American stuff is so much more expensive than their fake Chinese counterparts, but IMHO, you're wasting your time. People want 5K quality at a 200 price tag.
@chrishammonds72
9 ай бұрын
If you’re referring to Epiphone and squier then they aren’t fake Chinese counterparts as they are designed and licensed by Gibsonand fender which is why they can use the names Stratocaster telecaster and Les Paul on the headstock etc
@misteress3840
9 ай бұрын
Kiesel and Balaguer manage to make guitars w higher qc at less cost in the good ol USA
@MichiganSkip
9 ай бұрын
not referring to Epi's or Squiers.
@kevinjenner9502
9 ай бұрын
My made in China Shijie surpasses my 2 FCS guitars at 1/4 the price.
@misteress3840
9 ай бұрын
@@kevinjenner9502 Good to know! Phil McKnight really liked those.
@nicholaswoolfenden5254
9 ай бұрын
Dylan it's interesting but hard going at the same time frankly. Maybe don't get caught up in this very subjective stuff which you tackle objectively. People's emotions Trump objectivity. The only way to get a better deal is to buy used. And there's plenty.
@jacqueskools2566
9 ай бұрын
When I hear how the wood selection is done all manually, I say to myself : This looks like a factory from the 1950's.Assuming that it matters in the first place, if someone were to invest in advanced metrology ( e.g. use a piezo transducer to get an objective scientific measurement of the acoustic properties, automated image analysis of the grain structure etc), and some automation ( laser cut a bar code in the slab of wood, and have a database and some algorithm that matches wood blocks automatically), you can probably get rid of a good fraction of the labor cost.
@alanjackman2296
9 ай бұрын
Put a American made guitar exactly the same specks against its Japanese rival one winner and only Americans will have a different view 😂
@dizgil6881
9 ай бұрын
same with cars :D
@livefree2028
9 ай бұрын
Except, good japanese guitars aren't much cheaper...
@StupidGuitar
9 ай бұрын
I love how non Americans making everything about America as if they have an inferiority complex. His points stand for any non developing nation. Cost of labor varies marginally in developed countries and coincidentally that generally tracks guitar prices. I’m guessing you haven’t actually looked at hand made Japanese guitar prices or you wouldn’t have made that comment
@leftyo9589
9 ай бұрын
you do realize, on average most Americans buy the cheapest chinese made stuff they can find. LOL its the internet, or id say its amazing how someone can make a blanket statement just so they can bash a person/place/country, etc. but yeah its the internet, and it makes people feel big!
@waynebake1123
9 ай бұрын
Those guitars will also have the same price points.
@ntomatas1
9 ай бұрын
Consumers determine the price of USA-made guitars. They are non-essential products made in a wealthy country for a wealthy consumer base. They're going to be expensive. It's the "dentist guitar" effect on a national level. On top of that it's an Americana product made in the USA. On top of that people believe in tonewoods. They're going to be expensive.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
That’s not true actually lol
@leftyo9589
9 ай бұрын
if there is no demand, they wont be around long making up their own prices!@@lococomrade3488
@emartinezr
9 ай бұрын
This is an absurd comment. And not true either.
@StupidGuitar
9 ай бұрын
@@lococomrade3488this is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I’ve seen in a guitar video comments section…
@Eliphas_Elric
9 ай бұрын
@@lococomrade3488 we're talking guitars here, not the motherfucking pharmaceutical industry here bro.
@LukeMosse
9 ай бұрын
Its not relevant what lengths a company goes to, it's relevant whether it adds value, and whether other companies don't do the same effective thing for less money. There's so much confirmation bias here. The neck on my Cort G300 pro, and my Harley Benton Fusion 3, are both better than anything I've tried from Fender and Gibson. Or PRS. They will have processes that allow this. Its not just happening by accident.
@DylanTalksTone
9 ай бұрын
Confirming what? That you like cheap guitars and are happy with them? That’s totally cool too
@rhoff7272
9 ай бұрын
I think it's also relevant what conditions the workers are putting up with. Treating workers like dirt is cheap.
@StupidGuitar
9 ай бұрын
That is just factually untrue bud. You may like the shapes of those necks better but there’s literally zero chance they’re better manufsctured. Those companies all cut corners and a lot of those corners are in the QC areas. At BEST you’re going to get a comparable neck but it’s still going to be inferior wood
@LukeMosse
9 ай бұрын
@@rhoff7272 yeah apparently Gibson treat their workers as badly if you read up on it
@LukeMosse
9 ай бұрын
@@StupidGuitar give me the 'facts' then, which corners exactly do Cort cut. Lay some facts on me.
@voyagein2thecoreofthenight700
9 ай бұрын
because they are not made in the third world.... and because you pays for the brand and the "made in the US" that's all...
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