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@charlesrichmond4414
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video/experiment, Jeff! I think it really helps to put use of emtbs into perspective, which can be tough on a topic that understandably triggers many people. Clearly emtbs are not motorbikes, though, and this video helps to dispell that. However there is also the need to ride responsibly and understand that everyone of us on the trail is an ambassador for the sport whether we realize it or not. Great job!
@tobyvision
Жыл бұрын
I am for E-bikes. But I am certain that E-bikes and electronic components in general are a stepping stone to dragging the bicycle kicking and screaming into the Internet of Things and Subscription plans. Many E-bikes already require mating to a phone and will not even operate without it.
@downhill64
Жыл бұрын
What it all comes down to in the end is most people hate change, same thing happened when snowboarding started, I started snowboarding in 1987 and they weren't even letting snowboarders on the lifts now look.
@charlesrichmond4414
Жыл бұрын
I ride both regular and emtbs. The problem is not ebikes. The problem is a-holes. A-holes can be on regular MTBs too. Be a good human, be kind to your fellow trail users, and recognize you are not that important--certainly not any more important than others on the trail. Have fun, be nice, and be grateful that you are healthy enough to be outside riding bikes.
@andyeunson270
Жыл бұрын
Bang on. It’s not the bike but the rider. That said, there are crowd issues in Squamish and North Vancouver on weekends with a lack of parking. There are pretty busy trails. Ebikes will make them more crowded. The odd ebike has been riding up downhill primary trails but there are people riding down climb trails. We need to think about a growing sport now. Nor wait until it’s too busy. Ebikes are here though. Not going away so we need to deal with the differences now.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
100% truth Charles!
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
@@andyeunson270 Best way to deal with the addition of eMTBs is to join your local advocacy group- I'm a current member of both the NSMBA and SORCA!
@SnootchieBootchies27
Жыл бұрын
While this is true, the e-bike allows more a-holes access. And it seems to make the a-holes think it's necessary to make new shortcuts on the climbs because they can't be bothered to slow down and follow the actual trail.
@NDemanuele1
Жыл бұрын
I agree 1000%. A-holes are the issue and it's not just on bikes, but hikers included. I do not have an EMTB yet but may in the future, as a MTBer I'm hyper vigilant when it comes to safety, I ring my bell around blind corners, yell 'heads up' and take my time (don't go crazy fast). I always yield to other riders and hikers even when I have the right of way - safety first! I want to be able to ride another day and wish everyone out there the same. Despite this effort, there are a small percentage that are oblivious to the importance of safety which jeopardizes trail access. Because of this, at my local trails I ride there is a division between riders and hikers where certain groups want to get rid of MTBers and are trying to pass legislation to make it happen. This has been going on for years at my local trails but it could become a reality. In the upcoming election there are two opposing candidates: One is for inclusion, and the other want to regulate MTBs. Guess which one I'm voting for?...LOL. In the recent past I've contributed to city meetings with suggestions on ensuring safety for all trail users. We'll have to wait and see what the future holds....
@ryankramer7002
Жыл бұрын
The rivalry / fear of EMTBS reminds me of the skiers vs snowboarders BS of the 90s. I’ve heard it all including how EMTBers don’t know how to ride and they’re destroying the trails. It all stems from ignorance and ego in my opinion. What’s important is that we have more people on the trails enjoying themselves, getting exercise and growing their appreciation for the outdoors. Great video Jeff.
@spunkush
Жыл бұрын
What's weird is the only reason I'm considering a emtb is cuz I mtb so much. I would assume most people get into regular mtb before they spend thousands on an emtb
@LevoRider
Жыл бұрын
At 62 I wouldn’t be riding near as much if I didn’t ride a class 1. It levels me out with the emtb riders younger then me, I can keep up with them going up hill and I find the downhill I am way more planted so I am right on their bumper. 300,000 vertical last year and 3/4 of that this year almost all on local trails. Keeps me outside and it still keeps my heart rate up so win win for me. I understand the haters, (I was the same regarding snowboarders because they were wrecking all the mogul runs) but eventually people come around.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying your bike, Lance! 300k vert sounds massive!
@55mblindy
Жыл бұрын
Just got one at 67 I am having a blast 💥 there will always be haters their loss😂
@PL-fh8cz
Жыл бұрын
I have a pedal MTB and an eMTB... Both Rocky Mountains and over the last year I have slowly been riding the PowerPlay more than my Thunderbolt. Which is better for the forest access roads and the environment? Ride up on your eMTB, or put a few bikes in the back of a pick-up and drive up. I also find I use my PowerPlay more as a short distance commuter rather than take my car.
@LevoRider
Жыл бұрын
@@PL-fh8cz Ride on! I am looking at the RM ebikes test rode one, I was impressed.
@JosephPGerges
Жыл бұрын
Love both my Yeti, different rides, that’s it ;) EMTB is more bang for the ride time
@mtb_alan
Жыл бұрын
I think the most controversial part of this video are those jorts. 😂 Seriously though, nice work Jeff! This comparisons is a long time coming.
@edgerat
Жыл бұрын
good, I wasn't the only one ball-gazing the whole time....
@fastfish666
Жыл бұрын
beard ? ;-)
@testtesttesttesttest884
Жыл бұрын
hey look its the guy who's whole personality is his mustache. #influencer
@edensgardenshed9622
Жыл бұрын
We just jealous because we can’t affor…. I mean because they ruin trails.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
LOL
@TommyHuynh
Жыл бұрын
great video 🙌 I have both bikes I use my Enduro bike for DH, park and shuttle days and use my E bike on pedal days. my experience are same as your tests but much more extreme. Im much faster climbing up on the E bike (3-4 X) and much slower going down on the E bike. I have no idea why people would think that E bikes go faster going DH. The main benefits with the E bike for me is to get the climbs done quicker with less energy so you can get it in many more laps. E bikes are fun. I think most haters haven't tried riding E bikes and that's why they don't understand them.
@christopherstirrup5318
Жыл бұрын
My assumptions is that a ebike is faster, because the motor allows you to pack on more DH focused parts and still ride up hill. IE you can run chunky tires and a huge travel and still make it up the trail? Is this false though?
@downhill64
Жыл бұрын
@@christopherstirrup5318 no not false. I have set my ebike up as s downhill bike, 190mm travel front with 180mm back, 63 degree head tube angle, saint brakes etc. use it for shuttle runs, I get so many more runs now
@mattwendling267
Жыл бұрын
we hate them because we don't have an extra $10k laying around. 😉
@markcjr
Жыл бұрын
Strangely enough my 2022 scott ransom eride cost less than my 2017 ibis hd-3. I love both bikes. Ultimately I like having fun. And my scott ransom eride allows me to have far more fun in a day. And I can do it again the next day. And the next day and so on.
@gloger
Жыл бұрын
Whether riding mountain trails or commuting, I view e bikes as solving mobility issues for riders with disabilities and thus should be encouraged.
@stardustgirl1061
Жыл бұрын
Those darn cheaters are having more fun than me!
@TomKennedyUSA
Жыл бұрын
I got quadriceps tendonitis from my regular MTB. I could only ride 1 day and then I had to take 2-3 days off to heal. I got an e-MTB (Trek Rail) and I ride everyday now with no tendonitis. And hey, riding into uphill berms with some speed on an e-MTB is a kick!
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Glad you're recovering!
@MatthewTafoya
11 ай бұрын
The confidence and ability Emtb give riders levels the playing field a little, which some people don't like... Some people just need speed/momentum to get through technical sections or a little help on long uphills and a little push on switchbacks. EMTBs provide that push which results in confidence which adds to our ability!!! CHEERS 🙂
@Dadventures1190
Жыл бұрын
I'm not afraid of eMTB but as a person who rides both bicycles and motorcycles, which have been banned from trails all over the place, I want clarity about what constitutes a 'motorized cycle'. Locally, Galbraith trails started as motorcycle trails, and it was only because the trails already existed that mountain bikers started riding there. 31 years ago when I started riding here, motorcycles and bicycles shared those trails. Not any longer. So, if a motorcycle is banned, then other motorized cycles should also be banned. If motorized cycles are allowed, then allow motorcycles. It is also super annoying to have someone come up behind you on an ebike on a climb and have them itching to pass you because they have electric assist. I guess I do embrace certain aspects of the Puritan ethic, if you're on a mountain bike trail, use your own energy. If you're poaching a trail on which eMTBs are banned, then back the #@$! off and pass somewhere where the person on an allowed bike doesn't have to get out of your way. And if you're poaching it on a motorcycle...
@chaynech1
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I think I fall into the offended because I worked hard to get here category. Also I enjoy climbing, so I am typically seen as the weirdo. I am not against people riding E-bikes, just on the north shore there are alot of people speeding by at top speed with no disregard to others. If one of those guys runs a hiker off the trail, I can see us losing access for all. Oh, and don't get me started on the non pedal assist commuter bikes that people trick themselves I to thinking they are exercising and don't even pedal haha.
@danamesarchik3633
Жыл бұрын
Jeff Great Video. I think that we should share this video with all land managers to show the difference between the bikes. I had a land manager at Demo forest in CA tell me the reason they don't want E Bikes on their trails is that E bikes go 30MPH up hill. After a long conversation with her she let me know that her husband had a heart attack trying to keep up with their son. At 63 I cant push myself to climb as fast as my 21 year old son and by having some help from my E Bike we can share Mt Biking together. I agree that we all need to join the fight for more trail access. We recently had a protest at a local riding area where 12 of us got a ticket for riding on an I closed trail. By voicing our concerns they are now in the process of opening up some more trails to Mt Bikes. Keep fighting for our right to ride.
@JaggedTusk
Жыл бұрын
I am an e-hater because I don't want mountain biking to be more accessible. That's my selfish reasoning.
@forest_biker684
Жыл бұрын
I don’t have a problem with ebikes, but what makes me really cringe is calling mtbikes, “acoustic.” 🤣
@gfowkes
Жыл бұрын
Reluctantly bought a Fuel EXe after battling some lingering medical issues. Brought the joy back to riding. I've ridden it 8 times in the 10 days since I bought it. Best purchase ever. Hate if you want, I'm having a blast!
@rjahn3000
Жыл бұрын
Yes I bought the same bike 6 weeks ago and have logged 150 miles.
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_
Жыл бұрын
I haven't met someone who has actually ridden or owned one that hates them. They are ALWAYS people who haven't or won't try one.
@kelley71
Жыл бұрын
There is not much we can do to tweak bikes any further at this time, so now manufacturers are going to do anything to keep revenues up. Salesman in Bentonville said they are selling 3-1 E-bikes. It is difficult to convince me that these e-bikes will last as long as a regular bike. Then you have a >5,000 frame worth nothing when there are no replacement parts. 8-12k is out of reach for most people. I have no problems with medical or handicap riders. Riding is different for everyone. On a traditional bike, we earn our downhill. It keeps us in shape. I am 50. I ride to challenge myself. I know if I maintain my Ripley, it will last me as long as I want to ride it.
@BodieMoto
Жыл бұрын
ebikes are just mobile bike parks, for people who just wanna go downhill and have some fun its basically a ski lift lol
@kpmulcahy1
Жыл бұрын
I’m in the Midwest and ride a Ripley and a Rise. Half of our trails are old school tight technical XC trails and the ebike give you basically zero advantage. I still get passed by the XC guys! The biggest difference is that it takes me about half the time to ride out to the trails which is a huge win, as we are a one-car family.
@southernaccent
Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of it is riders just don't want any more people on the trails. They Should look at it as an opportunity to expand trails for everyone, and I ride an acoustic bike literally 95%+ of the time for the reasons you gave
@spunkush
Жыл бұрын
Yay, if there is more demand for mtb trails, maybe it'll lead to more being built. This scarcity mentality is annoying.
@cmacblue42
Жыл бұрын
@@spunkush depends on the culture of the place. Truckee has dedicated emtb trails in certain places now. In moab mtbs share a lot of trails with motos and jeeps. In Santa Cruz everything is volunteer maintained with illegal/access issues and not too much funding. The problem is if e-bikes turn every trail network into a bike park, who’s gunna be the metaphorical bike park maintenance crew?
@jasoncarlislecoradonative
3 ай бұрын
You definitely cannot blame that on e-Bikes . I have been riding mountain bikes in Golden, Colorado on the exact same trails for almost 40 years. The sport blew up 15 years ago and continues to gain popularity so it’s definitely not Ebikes to blame. I used to be the only on some of the busiest trails around and now you will see literally 50 riders or more on the same trails It’s a great sport people love it and the marketing in the industry doesn’t great job making people think every year they need a new mountain bike that’s adding more riders into the pool We all need to work together to keep the trails open If we go against each other eventually, the the land management committees just give up and close everything There are literally hundreds of miles of trails on the front range where you used to be able to ride a bike and now they are closed because they just simply couldn’t make a decision to appease everybody
@brucedecker8940
Жыл бұрын
Moved to EMTB and agree with all of your points. I will admit, however, on bi-directional trails, the increased speed that we EMTB'ers can climb does increase the close rate between uphill and downhill riders. This can increase chances of a collision, especially on blind curves. I use a bell up and down in the blinds and use caution but the larger contributing factor in these collision situations is often riders (both EMTB and MTB) wearing earbuds listening to loud music not able to use their hearing to alert them. On bi-directional trails, I think we EMTBers need to exercise extra caution on the uphills and everyone (imo) should take full advantage of their hearing to help alert them to oncoming traffic a bit sooner.
@legyvanmaster
Жыл бұрын
That is one of the the best posts about this theme. There is really no reason to hate e-bikers just because they ride a pedal assist bike. In every group there are dudes, that don t understand, what it takes to build a trail, taking care of it, that technical skills are needed for riding uphill and downhill etc. We can all ride and help each other, to have better and better trails. Cheers from eMTB Slovenia!
@ericrollins4607
Жыл бұрын
Reason #4: Gatekeeping due to a superiority complex shared by many MTBers who have "ridden for years". They'll hide behind anecdotes of an eBiker who ran into a hiker because they were going too fast, or some other generic reason all the while discounting there are just as many inconsiderate analog MTBers.
@Peter-nj5mv
Жыл бұрын
It’s annoying in Strava where ebikers snatch KOMs with no effort. Honestly normal restricted e-bikes (25kmh here) is Oke, but many tune their bike and have it go way beyond that. When does it become a dirt bike? Its just not the same sport.
@AdventureAwaits4u
Жыл бұрын
All great points. Hopefully we can use this new type of mountain biker to help with the trails through giving back to local mtb groups and dig days. You made this point as well and I never thought of that. Thanks for the great video.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@flgfish
Жыл бұрын
Good video. I’ve never tried an E-MTB. I’m always surprised by the vitriol on the internet around this topic.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Yea it's ridiculous!
@snigs5T5
Жыл бұрын
Ride one! They're so much fun and a great compliment to a pedally bike. Nothing like banging out 30+ miles and over 4k ft. AFTER work on a Tuesday. 😃
@flgfish
Жыл бұрын
@@snigs5T5 I live in south Texas. I wish I had that much vert anywhere close!
@fasterthanasupercar846
Жыл бұрын
It's the puritans that are full of hate. People who can't accept change just like skiers when snowboards started to become popular.
@MiloLife
Жыл бұрын
“Acoustic bike”? I think “analog”is what people mean. This isn’t a noise making instrument.
@knightstemplar6243
Жыл бұрын
E-bikes aren’t the problem but certain people that mountain bike resist the idea of peddling assist I’ve converted to e biking due to my knackered knees but you get comments like it’s cheating or can’t you do that without assistance. ……..eeeer well know actually I have arthritis
@JoseOjedaMTB
Жыл бұрын
ebikes should be called what they are: Motorcycles. Over here, a large portion of "ebikers" are former motocross riders that got scared of riding a regular motorcycle or realized there are more bikeparks than motorcycle parks. The problem is they ride bikeparks like a motocross track and completely wreck the trails, while blasting music on their bluetooth speaker. The others are begginners that now can climb to the black trails and then procede to decend as slow as possible, fully locking their brakes and... wrecking the trail!!
@burnum5433
Жыл бұрын
My issue with eMTB is related to trail etiquette and riding direction. In Boise, ID we have very few directional trails, but many that are traditionally ridden in one direction (or loops). It's most annoying when I'm downhilling a sweet section of trail, only to stop and let uphill rider pedal past me and realize it is an eBike. Before eMTB existed it was a rare occasion to see people pedaling UP steep or knarly sections. And if they were, kudos! eBikes are still technically illegal on most of our trails, mind you, so my rule following nature doesn't like seeing them. I am okay with allowing them on MTB trails, but only once directional routes are established. Maybe I just miss the days of less busy trails and clean runs on a loop without losing my flow! 🙂
@blairburton1234
Жыл бұрын
I live at the bottom of Hulls Gulch, ride those trails multiple t8mes a week, and tend to only ride Hulls itself on DH days. I never see e-bikes going DH, but always see them climbing up sidewinder and other trails like that. Last summer there were two ladies riding Surrons (e-motos) on 3 Bears. That was ridiculous.
@Zetler
Жыл бұрын
@@blairburton1234 There’s a huge difference between an eMTB and a Suron. HUGE difference. It’s ignorance that’s causing this issue not the ebikers. Suron are class 3s that borders on being a dirt bike and don’t belong on the trail, eMTBs however do belong on the trails and yes they do tend to ride uphill because eMTBs make climbs fun 😎
@snigs5T5
Жыл бұрын
So basically your issue is that you think you own the trails and that they're only for you and the way you want to ride them. I think your issues run deeper than ebikes.
@lokmtb8503
Жыл бұрын
@@snigs5T5 yeah just say fuck it and don't yield to people climbing the trail. DH for life! The idea of yielding for someone climbing is meant for non motorized bikes. If you have an emtb get out of the way for people who are descending.
@snigs5T5
Жыл бұрын
@@lokmtb8503 please don't ever come to CO. We don't want your ilk here.
@gregorybupp
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough I think the concept of the video "it's not that different!" is exactly why many people also see problems. This is generating e-waste; you have batteries which will die. The price is higher. It is using scarcer resources for a pure hobby benefit of "minor" deviation of performance. I think for some people it makes sense as they get older or are injured, but by and large it's wasteful for people who just don't want to pedal as hard and are physically capable of conditioning themselves to do so. My 2 cents.
@itto7915
Жыл бұрын
some goon called me a cheater on my hardtail non ebike cos i have a frame bag guess he thought was a motor? 🤡🌎 i ride an ebike if i was 80 years old and needed assistance i guess but prob not i have a super 73 and am over it honestly they're good for commuting on the street still tho people in the mountains playing music with a speaker is worse than ebikes
@whitest_kyle
Жыл бұрын
I have both an ebike and a pedal bike. Climbing and XC is significantly better with a motor, and going for an extended ride is much easier. Downhill on the pedal bike is massively better than the ebike. The ebike is heavy, hard to get off of the ground, hard to jump, hard to toss around, harder to change directions, etc. I don't go faster downhill on my ebike because I don't pedal downhill (does anyone? Lol). I ride my regular bike most days. I got into mountain biking because of the ebike that I bought first. I probably wouldn't have gotten a regular bike and subsequently donated time and money to the local mountain biking organizations without having gotten the ebike first. It allowed me to ease myself into the sport and get myself into better riding shape while learning how to control a bike on easy trails. E-bike hate just feels like pointless gatekeeping to me, but I do understand the fear of losing land access. There needs to be more advocacy regarding e-mtb and the fact that they are most definitely NOT motorcycles. The weight difference is negligible (what if I just gained 20 pounds?). The power difference is negligible (what if I just cranked harder on the pedals?).
@craigsj
Жыл бұрын
"...but I do understand the fear of losing land access." Except this fear is caused by MTB riders themselves. They stoke it, and their organizations lobby, and in some cases control, access. Decades ago, assisted cycling was anticipated and laws were created in advance. Then eBikes became a thing, MTB advocacy groups started knee-jerk reactions promoting trail access bans and PeopleForBikes sprang up to redo, in an inferior manner, work that had already been over much of the US. The current class 1-3 stuff is worse than what we had before. The industry has always had a healthy and responsible approach to the development of eBikes, it is conventional cyclists that are the problem. The fear of losing access is created by cyclists in order to cause loss of access to eBikes, access that was intended to be provided from the very start.
@snigs5T5
Жыл бұрын
The land access loss argument is nonsense. Here in CO Jefferson Co. just west of Denver has had open access to EMTBs for a few years on all open space trails. The bigger issues were user conflicts regardless of mode and those were resolved by advocacy and trail changes, not banning users.
@SWFBrickbox
Жыл бұрын
I can't stand ebikes because I live in a retirement community that is filled with the cheap class 2 ebikes. They aren't made by bike companies, they have a throttle, and they facilitate people being lazy and tearing up trail. Their are rich old people everywhere riding them all over the green trails. I'm totally fine with class 1 but not class 2.
@taim9736
Жыл бұрын
I think eBikes should be allowed on all trails. I don't own an eBike, but I have friends who are recovering from injuries or others with disabilities and limiting eBikes really hurts their ability to get a ride in. In the name of being inclusive and not ableist for all riders, I think there should at the very least be a placard for eBikes that allows those recovering from an injury or who need an eBike to be able to even get out. These people with placards should be allowed on all trails. Will this system get abused, surely it will, but at least it allows inclusivity for those with disabilities. Shimano just did a great video on someone with MS, and it makes this point beautifully. What is a person with MS to do if all their local trails don't allow eBikes?
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting, Tai!
@ninjazzrhythm400
Жыл бұрын
I dont want to be the caused of Forrest fire. Lithium based batteries are very very volatile! Do some research about, all you need is little moisture get inside and you're done.
@ericphillips9240
Жыл бұрын
At 67 and 40 years of mountain biking, 30 in Whistler, I have found I can again uphill again. Using a lightweight bike “ I.E.the Rise” the downhill‘s are definitely fun and the low centre of gravity has got me riding at a higher level again. Jealousy is the usual reaction here in BC when you have a dope e-bike.
@phil_dirt
Жыл бұрын
jorts jorts jorts jorts
@MTBinKY
Жыл бұрын
Do the same comparison test with an inexperienced out of shape rider (on some less tech trails, obviously) and let us know the difference. Thanks!
@phlatlander7388
Жыл бұрын
I don't believe it is only about speed. Additional factors to consider should be the additional weight of the e-mtb and the ability to ride more laps for the same amount of human effort. Like it or not these two additional factors will play a role in trail wear. If everyone used common sense when operating a e-mtb I doubt we would have videos like this, alas the few likely ruin it for the many
@mrmotomoto
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Not to mention the increase in torque causing wheel spin when going up steep hills. We will see more rutted out trails in the future for sure
@spunkush
Жыл бұрын
You will probably have a significantly larger community willing to maintain and build new trails too.
@ThunderStruckMTB
Жыл бұрын
I'm only afraid of the use of 'acoustic' when describing a mountain bike..... well that and jorts.
@kevinxodemonth
Жыл бұрын
Can we please stop referring to them as “acoustic” bikes? 😂
@lx93bill
Жыл бұрын
You can rationalize all you want. But having a motor makes it a motorcycle
@joncalhoun
Жыл бұрын
Things like the Surron being called "electric bikes" is an issue as well. I love pedal assist emtbs and how they get people on trails, but I've spoken with many people who think of throttles and going 20+mph all the time when I say "ebike."
@legyvanmaster
Жыл бұрын
Surron has electric dirt bikes. We are talking about pedal assisted mountain bikes.
@joncalhoun
Жыл бұрын
@@legyvanmaster I know. I'm saying the general public doesn't always know the difference which is a problem for getting pedal assisted bikes allowed on trails. This confusion is in part because surron calls their dirt bike an "electric bike" on their website.
@nelsdrugge4202
Жыл бұрын
I am a 50+ and just getting back into biking in general (car free) and mountain biking specifically to help my 7 year old son enjoy the sport. EMTB has allowed all of this for our family. We have taken a series of mountain biking courses to learn how to ride with specific interest in not damaging trail infrastructure and learning the etiquette of the sport. We have joined the local mountain bike trail advocacy network and helped with trail maitenace. We get out more often with my EMTB and when my son gets tired I can tow him wherever. Our mental and physical health is better because we are out way more often. "Daddy are you riding in Eco mode?". Yup I am. This whole conversation reminds me of when snowboarding appeared on the scene. Look at what that has done for the industry. EMTB is doing the same. This has changed our lives.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Awesome Nels!
@stevesanders2166
Жыл бұрын
Try skiing and snowmobile that’s the comparison
@stevesanders2166
Жыл бұрын
Try skiing and snowmobile that’s the comparison
@jeffp5418
Жыл бұрын
@@stevesanders2166 Steve that comparison is silly. Skiing to Snowmobileing... That is emtb to a 400cc motocross bike. completely different sport.
@InfectAion
Жыл бұрын
This steve dude two comments above mine, perfectly reflects the average intelligence from people crying and flaming over emtb's Just dumb af 😂
@onlysendsmtb
Жыл бұрын
We just purchased Two Orbea Rise (an h30 and an h15) Saturday afternoon, just after watching your review. Not saying your review sold us on them...but it certainly didn't hurt! We actually rented Rise h30s in Bentonville for a day over the summer. That's pretty much what sold us.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Congrats on the new bikes! Those things are way fun!
@mtbikeclown
Жыл бұрын
The best reason for eMTBs is conservation of energy. I’m 66 and the eMTB allows me to do group rides with younger stronger riders without them having to wait for me. It also means I can still do those longer rides of my youth. I don’t always ride my eMTB but when I do I usually have more energy left to ride further.
@Ryuk1138
Жыл бұрын
Just furthering the narrative that ebikes are for seniors. One of the reasons I won't be getting one anytime soon.
@One_mole_worth
Жыл бұрын
As a 24 year old, I like having to wait for people so I can also catch my breath too haha
@craigsj
Жыл бұрын
@@Ryuk1138 That reason being ageism.
@joelcruz4133
Жыл бұрын
That’s basically it , I feel young again @ 56 feels 16 😂
@stevesanders2166
Жыл бұрын
You should ride with people closer to your on abilities
@KevinBickmore
Жыл бұрын
A class 1 emtb is not the issue. It’s the risk of losing access to trails because of anything with a throttle on trails they don’t belong on. And there are plenty of assholes disregarding the rules. Though I have my own bias where I don’t feel they put in the same effort, I also believe they cost way too much and the rate of improvement is so high I see no reason to invest in one until I’m old enough to need one.
@mongkeefee5576
Жыл бұрын
Mountain biking has been monumental for my well being, both physically and mentally. This has been especially true during COVID, when getting out on the trail to clear my head became essential. Then last year, I tore my ACL and lateral meniscus in a crash, and got a post op DVT to complicate recovery even further. Suffice to say, that weekly blissful trail therapy was taken away in an instant, and I was devastated. After a slow healing process, I was able to get back on my bike eventually, but the knee pain and muscle atrophy were real, and limited my riding in performance and enjoyment. With rehab taking a lot longer than I expected, I finally decided to pick up a Kenevo SL on a black friday sale. I didn't want a full powered ebike, but something that would handle more like an acoustic bike, with just a little pedal assist (35Nm) to help lighten the load. I think ebikes have a place in modern MTB, whether it's to compensate for age, injury, fitness, or just increase your stoke. But we all need to remember to share the trails and be respectful to each other, especially if you have an ebike. Tread lightly, be kind, and pass with care, just like you should be doing already on your acoustic bike.
@stevesanders2166
Жыл бұрын
Jeff don’t be a mouth piece for bike companies , our concerns are real. The people we share trails with don’t like the speed of them, you say oh they’re not all that much faster! The speeds aren’t close after about 5 min of uphill plus do you really think they won’t be twice as fast in 5-10 years ( how do you feel about opening the trails up to Surons they have 2 wheels like to go up and down the trails , powered by elec. so you don’t pedal them some don’t do much pedaling on their e bike just move the pedals around. In closing don’t be a sheild for big profit , culture destroying e bike manufacturers it will cost you viewers
@mtbmike9866
Жыл бұрын
Lots of older more established and influential ($$$) folks on Ebikes. Might be good to have these folks on your side defending trail access
@jeromep4148
Жыл бұрын
Maybe we just want to be selfish and have the best trails be only accessible to fewer elite riders - ie, young , fit , males. After all, who wants to share the trails with a horde of older , chubby , non-athletes.
@tptrsn
Жыл бұрын
A lot of good sense in this video!! Most of the vigorous eMTB haters seem to soften dramatically after they actually try one. It just makes for waaaaay more fun on a bike. People should still be kind and considerate either way (but sometimes aren't, Lol).
@bkxc
Жыл бұрын
Good on ya for doing some tests and showing off the differences between the two styles!
@gioti9246
Жыл бұрын
Hello Jeff! I’d like to tell my experience as a rider from Central Italy who has recently switched to Ebike (Giant Reign E+2 2022) after several years riding a regular one. I am 35 years old, quite in shape (I regularly exercise twice a week) but with a little time available for MTB since 5 days out of 7 I am at work while the remaining spare time is shared between my family (mainly wife and a 10 months old son) and hobbies. This leaves me very little time for pedal training which is fundamental for dealing with the trails of my area, where very often you have to spare hours on hard climbing to enjoy a few tens of minutes of downhills. Furthermore, considering how much certain trails are rocky, steep and technical it becomes quite risky to hit them with the lack of concentration necessary to avoid ruinous falls, that in case of injuries would be a real “tragedy” for someone with so many commitments as I am. Before being a father I had way more free time to train with my muscular bike (this is the way we call regular bikes in Italy) and so, despite I always needed much time to reach trails I could at least hit them with the necessary lucidity. But now things are changed and the last rides I attended before the switch, have all been tiring and dangerous. So, together with a riding bud, we decided to witch to Ebikes and I am not regretting this choice at all! I can speed up the uphills and consequently ride more trails in the same time I previously needed for just one or two runs, while maintaining the necessary level of attention to enjoy the downhill without tiring-related-risks! So more fun, less fear and a better time management. It is also important to point out two main things…. First thing, it is not true that riding Ebike is not really training, since power must be managed properly if you want to ride more ant this requires more effort from the rider. Second, I want to reassure all those concerned about possible implications of the extra weight on riding performances; Ebikes geometry is studied to minimize the effects of this weight and you would at worst notice a bit more of fatigue during the first riding experiences together with the need of anticipating a bit the braking when dealing with curves. I hope telling my experience and reasons is going to be interesting and useful for you and your followers. PS. Forgive possible mistakes and typos but I wrote fast from my phone while pausing between tasks.
@austiwollongongwolf
Жыл бұрын
Mate I took up ebike downhill and enduro riding at 60, now 64. I’m doing stuff my son was doing on his bike as a kid, never thought I could do these things! Great sport, heaps of new friends , I ride with my son also, he is now 24. A great thing to keep in touch with a son and daughter. Make sure you share your passion with your kids.
@rickmccall7513
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff for this great video highlighting that both classes at the end of the day are MTBs. Where I ride, on Vancouver Island, we have eMTBs out on the trail and I've never seen any issues or heard from my riding buddies of eMTB specific issues. The key to me is this is a lifestyle as much as a sport, and if having an eMTB allows someone to continue in that lifestyle or join it then so much the better. Less than 1HP isn't going to make any impact on the trails or our experiences. And let's remember that even all acoustic bikes aren't the same nor is the fitness level of every rider. There are faster riders you'll need to accommodate whether they are on an ebike or not. Let's just support our trail builders, support each other regardless of what type of bike we are on, and enjoy being out in the forest doing one of the most enjoyable things (I believe) there is to do.
@DanielTorres-et8ky
Жыл бұрын
Also, my reasoning for rejecting e-bikes when they first came out was the fact that those riding them were not putting in the same "effort" I was. I didn't see it as fair. But I was mistaking. I was wrong. I rode for fitness and now I ride for fun.
@briannyob7799
Жыл бұрын
Last summer on Fromme there was a woman ripping up Mountain Highway on a e-bike doing laps of Bobsled and shooting, " on your lef"t as she stormed past. I dropped in about 30 seconds behind her on Bobsled and was practically running over her back tire pretty quickly; so I politely called out and asked to squeeze by. While passing I said, "now isn't that nicer than shouting on your left?"
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
@@briannyob7799 Wow great story! I can't believe folks think they don't need to be friendly to others on the trail- or in the world!
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
Great points Daniel! And who's to say that fitness and fun aren't exclusive?!
@Mental707
Жыл бұрын
They didn´t suffer enough..
@craigsj
Жыл бұрын
@@briannyob7799 To paraphrase, you got passed on a trail so you chased the rider down to pass back, and when you did you made a snide comment. Most of us have experienced your behavior, we just don't admire it. If you're gonna complain about "on your left", you're taking on a huge part of cycling culture. It is intended as a courtesy even if it wounds your pride.
@rjahn3000
Жыл бұрын
Class 1 pedal assist bikes should be allowed anywhere mountain bikes are, the throttle bikes are a different story. I've been riding for 30 years but at 65 my knees are not what they used to be, many new bikes like my Trek Fuel EXe are super quiet, most people have no idea it's an ebike.
@currentsupply
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand the concern about ebikes with a throttle. All ebikes have a motor. Whats the difference if your foot or thumb is activating that motor? Ive ridden ebikes with throttle offroad and they are actually perfect because you can put them in the lowest power mode and then just tap the throttle when you need boost to get over a rocky uphill section. Guys without a throttle just have the more awkward situation of having to take their bike out of eco and put it into turbo mode. The throttle is just a quicker temporary way into boost or turbo mode.
@rjahn3000
Жыл бұрын
@@currentsupply They have class 2 and 3 ebikes now with a throttle that are as fast as some motorcycles, like the Surron those have no place on MTB trails in my opinion.
@currentsupply
Жыл бұрын
@@rjahn3000 A class 1 Specialized emtb will be faster on a mountain bike trail than most class 3 ebikes with a throttle. And a MTB without a motor will be faster than any ebike at top speed. But yeah a Surron is an electric motorcycle, not an electic bicycle.
@NickBainas
Жыл бұрын
As long as they tag their Strava as E-mtb I don't care! I hate when a local KOM is obviously an ebike, no one climbs over 20km/h lol.
@downhill64
Жыл бұрын
What it all comes down to in the end is most people hate change, same thing happened when snowboarding started, I started snowboarding in 1987 and they weren't even letting snowboarders on the lifts then, now look.
@TheRicardoSanchez
Жыл бұрын
Price and weight yo. Price of a small car and weighs as much.
@edwinlarsen7942
Жыл бұрын
In your review of the Orbea Rise you said that you had to go to Canada to ride it as that bike is not legal on your local trails. Same situation where I live. Our local ranger district does not allow ebiking. So unless and until they are cleared for use, ebikes will not be of much interest to me. I can't see spending $8,000 (or more) on a bike with very limited riding potential where I live. Now all this said, I ride on average about 5 days per week, going from about 15 to 45 miles per ride with anywhere from 2500 to 7500 vertical on those rides. If ebikes were legal here, I might be interested in one. It might be nice to have a bit of extra go-go power one day a week and give my legs a rest. Haha! But that just isn't in the cards now and I don't see our forests opening to ebikes anytime soon. I have learned a good bit from your videos over the years. Thank you for sharing them with us all!
@pagosa1040
Жыл бұрын
Thanks jeff for shining a light on this issue. Imo the ebike paranoia is a replay of the " crisis " over snowboards at ski areas . Hand wringing. Cheers.
@dft1
Жыл бұрын
great vid. much of mine climbing is fireroad and i can blaze way faster on the ebike. just did a 4 day trip with 20,000 vert(each ride 5000 down in one shot). couldn't come close to that on my reg bike.
@kft4764
Жыл бұрын
I think actual mountain bikers have come a long way in accepting emtb’s even if they don’t personally ride them. Of course there’s still some hold outs that think they’re “cheating”, but it’s probably a continually shrinking minority. It’s the other non cycling trail users who mostly have a problem with them. Largely because they are not knowledgeable about them. They probably do think more along the lines of a motorcycle than a pedal bicycle when thinking of an electrical bike.
@jmo2752
Жыл бұрын
I agree - which is why it's so important to make the distinction between Class-1 pedal ASSIST bicycles, and any other electrically powered vehicles which don't require some rider input to activate the motor. Fundamentally, they are only E when you are actually pedalling, and ultimately the same as any other bicycle if you don't switch them on of course!
@robadobdob
Жыл бұрын
I hated e-bikes until I went to a Specialized demo day. Five minutes into the first ride, I was 100% converted.
@snigs5T5
Жыл бұрын
WORD
@ZanderTeeVee
Жыл бұрын
Stop calling them acoustic!
@Roaming50
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see some level headed commentary on this subject. I recently recorded a video also looking at how much faster is an ebike over a regular bike (I’m still editing it). I found that trail dynamics really comes into play. While the ebike felt much faster the overall time on an 8 mile, 1,000 ft course was not that great. I will post the results next week.
@jaquta69
Жыл бұрын
Some of us actually like going uphill and enjoy the challenge (pain) of getting fitter. I would never get an e-bike but I dont hate on them either. I mountain bike for the fitness aspect. I always notice the lack of fitness of MOST e-bikers....if it gets them out on the trails i say Great. I always laugh when people try to justify that there is no advantage to e-bikes. The reason people get E-bikes is because mountain biking takes a certain amount of fitness ( uphill are hard). IMO
@Ant02496-
Жыл бұрын
I love dh, I get to do multiple runs whilst on an ebike
@rducut
Жыл бұрын
100% acceptance from the mtb community might take awhile. Heck, It might not even happen but Ebike are here to stay and they are here to stay.
@Zetler
Жыл бұрын
eMTBs sales are increasing, MTB sales are static. The facts speak for themselves.
@nemesis256
Жыл бұрын
Please stop saying acoustic!
@Jcool721
Жыл бұрын
It was already in last summer when I was with my manual fatbike. When I stopped people were asking, do you have a motor, are you crazy not having a motor. It was opposite. They were amazed to see someone riding a manual bike. I was thinking WTF, this should be totally fine to ride my fatty :-) Next time I'll be there with an eMTB. No more stupid questions :-) I ride in Finland.
@MikeMountainBikes
Жыл бұрын
Just got an e-bike and tow my two sons up very long climbs. What would be a one and done ride has become sessionable. We ride longer, practice more, have more fun, while grinding less. And counterintuitively get MORE exercise because we don't bonk as quickly.
@freshseeker
Жыл бұрын
You missed the elephant in the room though. Most people who ride ebikes have an disability or a persistent injury and that's the only way they can have a "normal" mtb experience. The paranoia about ebikes is Qanon style. Like, can anyone name just 1 incident where MTB access was threatened due to ebikes???
@Sunday_Jazz
Жыл бұрын
Your clothes are so tight 😅
@jaredrude431
Жыл бұрын
Nobody cares except the people who ride ebikes. I rode an ebike one time, it was fun, maybe I'll buy one some day, but honestly, the only people I know who whine about ebikes, are the people who ride the ebikes. The more frequently someone whines about their opinion, the less likely it will be that their opinion is accepted by others. This is just human nature pertaining to any concept or idea.
@TRG36
Жыл бұрын
I find a lot of it is related to ego's. Seems the faster guys are mostly the ones that complain it's cheating. It's not cheating unless it's a race and you are the only on an ebike. They surely aren't going away.
@JeffKendallWeed
Жыл бұрын
LOL agree!
@JohnM-p5r
Жыл бұрын
Actually don't care about e-bikes being used I see their benefit but what I don't like and I'm only talking about where I'm from is the people who own e-bike have zero trail etiquette just recently I was on a ride couple days ago actually and I was lining up for the jump at the end of a trail it's an obvious jump line and at the end of the line a e biker was parked right on the landing ask him to move and he looked at me like I was crazy happens all the time and I told him it's not a very good idea to stop at the end of a trail line he told me he'll do whatever the hell he wants okay bud
@JulianoGSF
Жыл бұрын
Ride an e-bike to conserve energy. Ride a bike to consume energy, burn calories and fat, gain muscle and better cardio workout. Ride regular and your heart and lungs you will thank you later.
@IdrisFashan
Ай бұрын
The accessibility of e-bikes is consistently understated. Here in Alberta, I see plenty of older and differently able people on trails that likely would never have a chance to enjoy them without e-bikes. These devices democratize mountain biking. Once the prices come down, things will get even better for more people. I once saw a guy on a sports wheelchair with a fat bike fashioned to the front riding gravel. It was awesome!
@JeepingNet
Жыл бұрын
One of the biggest issues I see with emtbs (I ride an emtb) is the misunderstanding of a difference of the different classes and the difference between an emtb and e-dirtbike who also like to call themselves ebikes. There is a world of difference between a class 1 emtb and a surron. Even guys I've biked with for 20+ years don't want to learn the difference. (they also were against wider tires years ago and now swear by them)
@rjahn3000
Жыл бұрын
great point!
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_
Жыл бұрын
I always called them Emotos. I thought it was kind of a universally known thing. Guess I was wrong lol.
@MatthewTafoya
11 ай бұрын
If weight is the issue, how is it that Regular DH MTBs weight so much more than regular Trail MTBs. If weight was a concern for the Enduro racers then they would ride Trail bikes downhill instead of their heavy double crown heavy duty DH sleds... I think the weight issue is an uphill concern for regular MTBs... Ans that is where EMTB shine!!! Its like having a Bike-Lift ticket in your back pocket... CHEERS 🙂
@AussieCornerStudio
Жыл бұрын
Hi guys please call an E-bike an APA and normal non assist bike as a UNPA, Maybe we are confusing the general public with terms such as "Acoustic " This is a mesaurement of Sound. Emtb are electric devices that produce power at the engagement and point of torque. Thus we need a new acronym (UNPA) Unassisted Power Application and (APA) Assisted Power Application reguardless of the engery source. Ok I'm from a Electronics back ground and have a sound Engineering Degree. Anyone riding a bike will get caught up with those terms of Acoustic and any reference to that terminology. If the Federal or State Governments decide on Decibels of power your ebike will be declared at a 98 decibel reading that's just over the sound level of your voice it's just another way Governments adobt terms to quickly kill the fun factor! While riding a emtb in Forests park and natiuonal parks please stop calling them Acoustic before your audible levels are recorded from your e-bike it might frighten wild life or disturb people living in the area where your riding... Just saying yes a I'm A FORMER LAW INFORECEMENT OFFICER and I can see the can of worms waiting to be opened from the greenies out there.
@Plasmo20
9 ай бұрын
Im getting older 60+ and recently not a strong as I used to be. Not being as strong and lamenting getting older, the eMTB has become a real choice for me. I still have an 2022 EPIC EVO cause its a blast but I bought a used Orbea Rise 2021-22 for an event our group did and am struggling to let it go again. The Rise can be used power OFF and ride with the analogues in our bunch or power ON and chase the eMTBs when they join in. Some of the guys have full fat eMTBs and do lament the weight, however the Rise at 19kg, with pedals, is not too heavy to load into the van and agile enough on the trails that I am struggling to let it go. Ive taken the Assagai 2.5 off the front and installed Mountain Kings 2.3 front and rear, just the front dropped 600gms in tyre weight and made the Rise more agile. I plan to install some ELITE wheels 1450gr to get the last of the weight off that I will afford. Get the Rise down to about 18.3kg. I find that I go exploring on the Rise, where I wouldnt on the EVO, having that motor to climb the unclimbable fire roads and rough scrub just invites trail blazing and looking around.
@Adangertohimself
2 ай бұрын
Love my e-bike. Great video. Hope your e-bike advocacy promotes our beloved past time. It's hard to explain it to someone that doesn't know. But you see their understanding once they try your e-bike and Smile ear to ear. I've started the assimilation. 😊😂
@bradsanders6954
10 ай бұрын
What Im seeing is, I go out to a well known MTB trail riding area, and while it used to be a few EMTB's, now its more like 85% EMTB's.....so eventually the point may be moot. Once people try an EMTB and dont spend their whole day trying to get back up ride one more trail.....they see the point. Many places are renting EMTB's near trailheads. Using a truck to shuttle? No thanks. I go out there to ride. I ride my normal roadbike 100 to 200 miles a week, so Im not an E bike guy in total at all.
@danmorgan1706
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video!!! You did a great job of explaining the difference. I’ve been riding both e-bike and analog for about a year. The paranoia around class 1 e-bikes is redicilous and egotistical. Cheers all!
@tobythomas2632
Жыл бұрын
Afraid? Terrified? Pretty extreme choice of adjectives for this controversy. Seriously, ride what you want to. Personally, not a fan. The real issues that the MTBers that I know have with eMTBers is the constant unsolicited claim that the “workout is the same”. The effort is equal……then why do you need a motor? Just be real about it. It’s an advantage. Own it, enjoy it, know it’s not for everyone. And please, someone explain to me how a bicycle is not just a bicycle and an e-bicycle is just that. These analog and acoustic tags (amongst others) are inaccurate and unnecessary. Lastly; I am a true advocate for good trail manners. A young kid working the trail in front of me is worth the wait. A strong climber comes from behind, respect moves me to the side. eMTBers- your expectations that a MTBer cranking up a hill with raw human power should move over for your motor assisted climb…….well, that just seems ridiculous to me.
@leapnlarry
Жыл бұрын
I ride only cross country, no downhill in Florida. Don’t like it when an ebiker wants to pass on on tight single track trail. Whats the point of an eMountian bike? Larry
@KShadowCH
Жыл бұрын
In Switzerland they're only a small number of limitation, usually depending both, MTB's and eMTB's, everywhere else you can share the trails, forest roads, hiking paths with hikers and walkers. Here they established the Fair Trail method, means is enough space for all who love mountains and nature, but it only works with respect... respect to the nature, and respect to each other.... And in most of the cases, it works.. but to be fair, we have also in Switzerland stupid guys, on bikes and on feet, which thinks there're the only one on the planet and the rights only belongs to them... Me, myself and I.. without respect.. using the whole path for walking, no breaking passing walkers, etc. But overall the rules are clear and 99,99% follow these rules.. basically means, all official hiking paths are also available for MTB's and eMTB's with a small number of exceptions... So far things from the Swiss Alps 🤙 btw.. I ride eMTB only due to age, younger days MTBs...
@paulm9340
Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid of the loss of fitness ultimately leading to cardiovascular disease... And death Dirt bikes are a better deal for the money as well
@rjahn3000
Жыл бұрын
I ride twice as far on my ebike than I used to on my regular Trance, and it's still great exercise.
@paulm9340
Жыл бұрын
@@zed5129 You don't have to be upset that you're a fat slob, just accept it :)
@paulm9340
Жыл бұрын
@@rjahn3000 Yea, twice as far for what, 1/4th the effort? lol
@rjahn3000
Жыл бұрын
@@paulm9340 I would say a 2 hr ride on a ebike is equal to a 1 hr ride on my old bike.
@fanyang2295
Жыл бұрын
I just finished a cycle, started with analog and then switched to emtb, now I am back at analog. At the end of the day, at least I am riding for fun based on the constraints I have (time, energy level, skill set). There is no bad or good choices, I always asked myself at end of each ride, did I have fun, was I nice to the hikers/bikes on the trail, how can I improve the next ride.
@craigsj
Жыл бұрын
This seems entirely lost in the arguments. MTB riding is recreation, what others do does not affect your choices. Have fun riding and support others having fun too, even if they do it differently. What is important is that both MTB and eMTB be targeted to the same usage. As long as they are, access is a contrived problem to be opposed.
@lokmtb8503
Жыл бұрын
I own a stumpjumper Evo and a Levo. I loved the Evo so much that I bought it's eMTB doppelganger. I have an extremely busy life. I work 12 hour night shifts in a hospital as an RN. Sometimes I work 5 shifts in a row. I love that I can wake up and hit the trail for an hour and cover the same amount of ground I would in 2 hours and I don't exhaust myself. It's still a great aerobic workout and I burn about 600 calories. And I can hit my next shift in the hospital feeling the stoke from getting out when I never would have considered doing that on my analog bike. Still love ripping my Evo. Always take my analog bike when I'm riding with friends. Funny thing is I'm more fit since I bought an eMTB because I'm getting more rides in and I'm throwing around a heavier bike when I'm going DH.
@petedog9581
Жыл бұрын
No probs w emtbs on the correct trails. I think of them as a way to save cash and so that you could shoot the shit w your buddies on a fire road, rather than paying for lift fees. Other than that, I will rely on myself to clear climbs and obstacles. Why not just go moto or get a Sur Ron Ebike? JKW could hit some sick gaps w that. It is all getting blurred. I can remember fighting numerous parks systems in the 90's and early 2000's just to get trail access w our 26" trail bikes, even w the promise of properly making the trails bike sustainable... Oh, the trail erosion, the horses, the etc. Lol. Now that tourist $ is in play w mtb and emtb, the environment and all that is pushed aside. Lets make cart paths in the woods now. $ corrupts everything. Mtb used to be organic and about experiencing nature. It is all about the $ now, or they were full of shit all those years ago.
@NoBrakes23
Жыл бұрын
I'm not afraid of eMTBs, I just don't like riding them, (with the caveat that I have not ridden the current gen bikes like the new Ibis, the Orbea Rise, or the Trek Fuel eXe.) I find they are more challenging on technical climbs, and they push/understeer badly on descents, so they aren't fun downhill. On top of that, while the Giant Yamaha motor was nice, (Could alter modes while riding,) and the Bosch motors I have ridden were nice, the first gen Shimanos would shut down if you so much as breathed on the pedals during start up, (I enjoyed the Pivot Shuttle more with the motor off.) If I could have any of the e bikes I have ridden, I'd actually opt for the Bianchi Aria e road bike because it rides surprisingly well with the battery off, and you can remove the battery and the hub motor and make it a regular bike. It would be nice to ride near the end of my endurance, then turn on the motor for the ride home. It would purely be a cardio tool. As eMTBs improve, my attitude will probably change. As for the whole "we'll lose trail access," arguments, I think those are bunk. The hateful old hikers will hate us no matter what we do. The argument that eMTBs only appeal to newbies that are thoughtless assholes with no trail etiquette has some small kernal of truth, but treating them the way NorCal hikers treat MTBs won't improve them any. Better to try to show them the way. Lastly, if we worked with the moto advocacy groups like the Downieville folks do, we'd all be in a better spot.
@kigna1234
Жыл бұрын
Great video but I prefer the term Analogue vs Acoustic bike. or just MTB vs eMTB. Having ridden mtbs for many many years i moved to a focus eMTB and can now ride and keep up with mates who are much younger and havent had so many injuries from years of pushing analogue bikes around. The use case for an eMTB isnt to replace MTBs, its to support people who dont for whatever reason have the capability to ride long distances on MTBs
@jimm3379
7 ай бұрын
I love my EMTB and couldn’t care less, what other people think about it. I don’t understand the hate, coming from the ideological analog zealots. I’m sure that plenty of people using horse & carts, were throwing shade on Henry Ford back in the day too.
@boblatkey7160
2 ай бұрын
I took up electric unicycles and now that they have big powerful motors with full suspension, so mountain bike trails are my number one choice for a ride. So I think I'll add to the mix of the craziness.
@Lifesbeengood
Жыл бұрын
Nothing against emtbikers, but I have a small gripe about the industry itself. Bike manufacturers are definitely pushing the technology into more into electric bicycles. The cost to own some of the emtb available now is more than a gas dirtbike. If the goal was to get more people out on the trails this will scare new buyers away from getting an ebike. I’ve asked people that don’t mountain bike if they would pay 11k for a new ebike or a dirtbike, 9/10 they would buy the dirtbike. In short the benefit to cost ratio just isn’t there, i.e. how much easier is your ride for 11k$? If the point wasn’t to make your ride easier, why not just but a regular mtb?
@kylemoore2068
Жыл бұрын
So frustrated by my the USFS posting on EVERY single trailhead in my area that Ebikes and Pedal Assists are not allowed. It adds to the hatred and produces an unfair bias to EMTB's in general, but also for those who might really need the assistance of a Class 1 bike (like me, who has a medical limitation).
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