Well done Peter on managing to say all those product numbers! I'm sure there are a few "bloopers" you had to edit out and save for a rainy day 😂
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness for autocue! 😂👍
@huckleberry3822
Жыл бұрын
I do exactly what you do for a living. I've done it for 40 years. The best portable cordless table saw I have found is the dewalt 8-1/4" 60 volt. I think its a 54 volt in the uk. Its precise, quiet, very good on dust collection. I have been using it in houses for the last three years. Zero problems. Hope this helps.
@libertarian1637
Жыл бұрын
I have had this saw for years myself and am a,axed at how far battery technology has come over the years. I also have the larger DeWalt but find myself using the smaller battery one more often even when I have power at hand. When paired with the DeWalt roller stand it really is just do portable and quiet. When paired with a Bosch dust bag it does well even without a dust collector. While not intended I’ve found the DeWalt saw will even run a dado stack at least up to about 3/8” plywood; though I usually only run a couple 7 1/4” blades with a spacer which perfectly fits 5mm plywood, which is about the only affordable plywood left, but us good enough for drawer bottoms.
@adrianodonnell3853
Жыл бұрын
Mine arrived earlier this week after a few weeks on pre-order from Axminster. Looking at the type of work you do Peter I think you'll be happy with your purchase. Great features, accuracy and very impressive dust collection. Only thing I'd have liked to have seen is the option to use a mains adapter as well. Hikoki have it for their 36v Table Saw. Festool have the know-how for this as they're already using it in their cordless sanders.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Adrian! And yes, indeed - mind you, those mains adapters for the sanders cost about as much as an extra couple of batteries! 😂
@williamdoyle649
Жыл бұрын
Your criterion for tablesaw choices are spot on.However,my friend,you need a bigger, more size friendly outerbuilding.I love your shop and all you've done with it.I sell Festool where I work and a few of these saws are here for evaluation and are generally liked.Cant wait for you to receive it and your honest review.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Working on it! 👍
@pgriffithsulster
Жыл бұрын
You explained yourself very well, as we have come to expect.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙌
@sreval
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, great vid as usual ! very much interested in seeing how this saw performs....keep em coming.
@redC16
Жыл бұрын
I have the same wants/needs as yourself for a table saw. Having no festool batteries and really never ever needing a cordless table saw - I can't go with this new Festool. The Dewalt 10 inch is the perfect saw if the extraction was just a little better and it didn't scream like a banshee!
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Yep, those two things were deal killers for me and the DeWalt, sadly. I almost didn’t get the Festool because of the battery, but then I thought why not?. 🤷♂️👍
@andyc972
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter, a breathless run-through of your selection process with some interesting observations, looking forward to seeing the saw in action ! If you need help with the millions give me a call ! 😉
@phil2782
Жыл бұрын
I work in an apartment garage. When you get it I'm desperate to get sound measurements! If it's as quiet as it seems it will be a game changer for small shops.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Yep, I’ll be doing real world sound tests when I get it. 👍
@danlopretto7222
Жыл бұрын
You’ve taken the plunge! Can’t wait to see how you trim it out once you’ve lived with it for a few months.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Me too! 👍
@giginet56
Жыл бұрын
Hello Peter. Like you I am a track saw guy and I was interested to know what this new table saw will add compared to your MFT table + track saw setup?
@markjarman7819
Жыл бұрын
Being a festool crazed madman myself I’m looking forward to seeing what you think of the new saw. Out of interest peter what don’t you like about the tks 80 and the cs 70? I bought the cs 70 set myself with very little use and find it a great saw once set up properly.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. All the Festool table saws - until this one - follow the same pattern established way back by the CMS; instead of a simple t-slot/mitre slot there’s a proprietary extrusion around the perimeter of the saw that handles all the accessories/moving parts, and I just don’t like it. 🤷♂️
@markjarman7819
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop I can’t help but think this new saw Will development into a bigger unit. I guess I make you right it a old design. Thanks for the reply Peter😊👍
@54mgtf22
Жыл бұрын
Love your work 👍
@ErikSutton1
Жыл бұрын
Got mine Tuesday. Preordered it immediately when they came out here in Sweden. Working in a 2x3m shed as my workshop, so this table saw was a dream come true!😅 Unfortunately had to send it back the same day as mine came with the sliding plate being roughly 1mm lower on the left side (so not co-planer with the table) resulting in cross cuts not being square. Dug through the manual, but unfortunately no way to recalibrate or adjust the tilt of the sliding plate. Festool told me to send it back ASAP😅 Bummer since it is completely new, but should be getting it back fixed at the beginning of this week!🙏🏼 Festool has some incredibly swift and high quality customer service !🙌🏼
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
That’s really disappointing. Curious why you’d return to Festool and not the dealer?
@ErikSutton1
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Didn't really consider that to be honest. Figured it was open, so not much to be done other than a service appointment to be readjusted by a festool technician.
@ErikSutton1
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Just got mine back again from repair, and it still has the same issue unfortunately, starting to wonder if I'm just being picky😅
@lemech
Жыл бұрын
What was Festool’s response to the lower height? Is it by design or a tolerance issue? Can’t really understand why Festool did not make it level or at least only a very very small difference only. 1mm or 0.5mm seems too much.
@ErikSutton1
Жыл бұрын
@@lemech unfortunately it's a tolerance issue. Definitely a design flaw, they basically said it was within their acceptance tolerance. Really a bummer considering the price of this thing and it being 0.5mm tilted to the left making it non co-planer... They said I'm welcome to send it back for repair free of charge in the hopes of getting a better sliding table part, but I would just be rolling the dices at this point!😅
@cameronpeters7250
Жыл бұрын
great video there seems to be a gap in the market for a highly accurate job site size saw with a quiet and refined build but im looking forward to your video on the festool im really interested in how you get on with it
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, and yes I agree. Looking forward to getting it! 👍
@FuzzyScaredyCat
Жыл бұрын
I nearly brought that startrite! I had one of the bargain Drapers (£200) cast top plus sliding table + side extensions.. The rise/faull has broken so I've been looking for a replacement. Similar, was going to buy one of the Axy workshop 254's at Christmas because there was ~180 quid off but missed the boat and they havne't had them since (as you say) - still looking.... Can't afford your Festool prices though!
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
It's still available - great looking saw! 👌 👍
@FuzzyScaredyCat
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop unfortunately the money isn't 😏
@MD-gc4xq
Жыл бұрын
You call that a small workshop!? 😂😂 you want to see mine😅👍
@anwolfs9804
Жыл бұрын
I'm still scared of mine, so please be carefull in the "honeymoon period" I like your video's and wouldn't like this new addition stopping you from making them!
@Benmeglei1
Жыл бұрын
I’m dumbfounded as to why Festool refuses to sell this table saw in the US.
@davidmatke248
Жыл бұрын
Festool just announced on February 8th that the CSC SYS 50 is coming to the US later this year.
@luciflash
Жыл бұрын
Probabil the same reason they don't sell the SawStop in Europe.
@leedavies1852
Жыл бұрын
you tube millions 🤣
@barberspaddockwoodworking
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see how this works out Peter. While this wouldn't be a saw for me, the thing that I'm really intrigued by is the technology. The electronic display, motorized controls etc brings out the nerd in me. Makes me wonder what table saws will look like in the future!
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, and yes, looking forwards to getting my hands on it. Funny, the digital, motorised doodads are the least appealing thing for me! Then again, I thought lasers on a mitre saw were a gimmick… 🤷♂️😂👍
@newdutchworkshop7026
Жыл бұрын
Check out the Martin T75 and Altendorf F45 if you want to see the future :) These large sliding panel saws already had motorized CNC controlled functions two decades ago and nowadays the options are endless and the precision is amazing, working to 1/10th of a millimeter and 1/100th of a degree. This might sound silly but it makes all the difference in a professional environment. I believe there's a video where Peter explains why he never moved to a larger workshop and I think it's really inspiring to see how he runs a business out of a shoebox workshop. I certainly wouldn't be able to do that!
@Z-add
Жыл бұрын
@@newdutchworkshop7026 yes and that aldendorf also has 2d nesting of your parts in their electronic display.
@Edsdrafts
Ай бұрын
Nice video. I live in an apartment myself and I have been using Makita cordless track saw for a while as dare I say my first woodworking tool. I loved it for cutting long sheets on ply but when it comes to smaller pieces it's not ideal. I would love to get a table saw unfortunately Festool is 2x my budget. Axminster saw looks perfect if not for it's weight as I might need to move it around from one room to another. 89kg is no joke. Another option for almoat same price is Bosch 10XC and Dewalt 7492. I prefer the former. Any advise on choosing the right saw from the mentioned would be welcome. Especially if you had any experience with the Bosch one. Thank you.
@JimboJet737
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, you mentioned the DW745. I have it and it does have some issues, the primary one being too damned noisy. That said the fence and table is great if a little short on infeed and out feed. Despite this, it’s exceptional value for money in my opinion and believe it has now been updated with some improvements in the form of the DW7485. Not sure if it is freely available in the UK or on its pricing, but I’m sure it is a good “budget” option vs the new Festool which unsurprisingly is prohibitively expensive for most people.
@damiendowney5121
Жыл бұрын
This may have been more up you're alley Peter , TWX7 1800W Contractor Saw Module 254mm
@knottymatt
Жыл бұрын
5x the price of the Hitachi, 3x Dewalt in Aus. Brutal. I was looking at the Dewalt, but thought people were saying good dust extraction due to the design on the vacuum outlet... Not accurate?
@andrewschultz2504
6 ай бұрын
Interesting sir I faced similar thoughts about what to get for a table saw. I heavily considered the festival but the only packages here were the full package with the legs and Support I had quite a few Bosch battery powered tools at the time so I ended up buying the Bosch GTS 18 V - 08 n14 prop factor. I tend to shy away from festival battery powered tool due to the batteries, not going all the way across the line of tools I find the dust extraction extremely good for a benchtop, portable Saw
@handymadness
Жыл бұрын
Make sure you write off the saw! That'll get the price down to around 1300 pounds if your tax system works similar to the US system.
@mahmut123456
Жыл бұрын
As I saw this saw's introduction, I immediately thought of your table saw video and that this would be perfect for your workshop. You can also build wonderful things without such an expensive saw but I think you can enjoy and make the best out of it, too :)
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, fingers crossed! 👍
@DesignerMaker
Жыл бұрын
Great video Peter, I’ve just been going through the same dilemma myself. Just wondering why you dismissed the corded Festools? Personally I am hoping the Festool Cordless tech eventually migrates to the corded variants.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. It’s purely a personal thing; all the Festool table saws - until this one - follow the same pattern established way back by the CMS. Instead of a simple t-slot/mitre slot there’s a proprietary extrusion around the perimeter of the saw that handles all the accessories/moving parts, and I just don’t like it, unfortunately. 🤷♂️👍
@philipb867
Жыл бұрын
I have to say I love my Axminster Craft 25m table saw its great, its quiet, accurate and powerful with good dust extraction shame you couldn't get one.
@patrujo
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if festool will make a hybrid ac/ battery saw like this as well as integrating the saw stop technology. I believe they are both under the same umbrella company that owns that tech? Perhaps im asking too much from this little guy.
@T.v.d.V
Жыл бұрын
I have to spend my you tube millions...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you earned them tough...
@hjworkshop1
Жыл бұрын
I brought the AC254TS and it is great. It can be small or made bigger and most importantly the noise was low and extraction was good. Thanks for how thorough you are- you have a way infront of the camera.
@spilleradam
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, I agree with you about the Festool table saw, I don’t like it I don’t like the design, and its way to expensive.
@robmoss3501
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been talking to few kitchen fitters about this saw ( myself being one as well) but we are all being put off by the price, so to see a good review from yourself might sway or even confirm our doubts about this product. Looking forward to seeing it.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Look forward to getting my hands on it! I agree, it’s top money for a ‘site’ saw - especially when you compare it to the likes of the Milwaukee and Hikoki cordless - but in my brief time with it, it seems a much better product, and much better suited to finished cuts rather than, say, 600mm rips in OSB, which is where I feel the others are pitching themselves. We’ll see, when I actually get my hands on it. 👍👍
@silverfox8801
Жыл бұрын
My 745 in my small garage workshop sounds like a damn Boeing 747!!!
@multirevelator
Жыл бұрын
please do a little check on when you tighten the guide rail if it pulls is fractionally out of 'true', i think this can be an issue on the little tabletop saws, especially the proxon
@marklaffey7972
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, I love your videos, but I got to say this video should’ve been titled why not to buy everything else
@robertpearce802
Жыл бұрын
What happened to your old table saw? I remember that you did not feel comfortable about selling it on. Also, I was interested in your remarks about the Festool saw with Sawstop technology. It does seem underwhelming when compared with the actual Sawstop table saws, as demonstrated by Ron Paulk and others. The Sawstops are available in Australia as Dave Stanton has demonstrated them on his KZitem channel. He even did the hot dog demonstration thus ruining a blade. I am not sure that that was necessary as there are enough videos of this, but afterwards he did feed the hot dog to his dogs, after cutting them up using a knife.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I gave it away and a 10MW Plus member took it away for cannibalisation. 👍
@scottstarck293
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the Fusion 2 (and other 1.75hp saws) be 7A saws in the UK on 240V Power? For instance the F2 is rated at 1300W / 220-240V gets you roughly 6A of draw, not 13. The reason I ask is that before buying my sawstop I looked at the F2 and here in the states it is rated for 115V/14A, or 230V/7 Amp if it is rewired for 230V. I think you will be happy with the Festool, the sliding table design looks really nice for that size saw
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I do mention the Fusion 2 in the bud as running happily off a regular 13A socket, but it’s physically too big for the space I have. 🤷♂️👍
@415volts
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, great video as always and really interesting to see your detailed rationale of choosing a final product - that's a process that all customers make I know. Everyone has criteria, and in UK footprint size is generally near the top of their list in my experience too. All the best. Cheers, Nick - Laguna UK ;)
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Hi Nick, and thanks! If I had the space we’d be talking, no question! 👍👍
@RichardWalker66
Жыл бұрын
Peter, if you are still waiting, then Amazon UK has stock. I’m not affiliated to Amazon in any way, it just seems unusual that they have stock whilst all the other regular Festool retailers in the UK (and Festool themselves) have been out of stock for a while - and I suspect they are all still waiting. I bought mine a while ago (from the reliable team at D&M) and I absolutely love it, although I admit that I’m a newbie woodworker and amateur so my opinion counts for nothing. I’ve built a (not so portable) jig from aluminium extrusion that allows to me to cut larger boards accurately using the SYS 50 with an Incra Positioner when needed. Really looking forward to your review - keep up the great work. Richard W
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard! Honestly, it had never occurred to me to try Amazon! I'll take a look, thanks! 👍
@AlexB-hp3dj
Жыл бұрын
This man don't play he has a router for every bit he uses
@mickwilson127
Жыл бұрын
Just got the Axminster one at the last Black Friday for £1650 it is the dogs danglies. It replaces a 20 year old Sheppach POS
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Nice! 👌
@ChristopherClaudioSkierka
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter. I do not know if you maybe be interested or not but in around 2 weeks I shall cease to trade and have some very good electric tools for sale(and some non electric) , such as festool, dewalt and Lemelo brands. Would you be interested at all? They are all in very very good condition and some hardly used. Let me know of your thoughts or any questions you have. Chris
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris and thanks for the offer, but I’m pretty much all tooled up, so not really for me.Thanks though. 👍
@Viken43
Жыл бұрын
The everyday struggles of the you tube millionaire woodworker…. Am surprised at why you would buy a table saw when you never used the one you had. Am sure you could do thin rip with a tracksaw given the right setup.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
The ones I had previously were pretty terrible, and not capable of the kind of accuracy I’m looking for. As I say, it was the Mondrian-style patchwork table that pushes me to the limit of what was achievable with what I had - tracksaw and mitresaw - and I expect working precisley with very small workpieces to be easier with a small, precise table saw. And yes, the struggle is real. 🤷♂️👍
@CrookedSkew
Жыл бұрын
Great video Thank you. I really like how you explain things, the logic used and edit so there's no waffle.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks!
@CrookedSkew
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop You're welcome. Your process helps us buy tools. It's too easy to make impulse buys. What's needed, especially for this money, is a methodical approach and I completely agree that it we fly up to the peak of excitement initially with a new tool, the into the through of niggles until we rise up and plateau off, hopefully in a good state!
@keving8682
Жыл бұрын
Peter I appreciate the kind references to Paoson and his work. I also very much respect his work and am building one of his workbenches at the moment. When I saw that cast iron small tablesaw that he used from Axminster I was very intrigued both by the cast iron on such a small saw but also the motor. Too bad there is nothing similar here in Canada. I sure wish we had access to some of the tools and materials (ie: black mdf) that you have access to in Europe!
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Paoson is a great channel and does very meticulous work that has a lot of appeal. 👍
@Sunnbuzz
Жыл бұрын
Being a Brit that has lived 2/3 of my life in Canada I was already envisioning bringing a few pieces back lol
@jeffhawkes3380
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, I have been watching your videos for a while now and I must say they are very informative. It was watching your videos that got me hooked on the Festool Quality. I have just taken delivery of the CSC SYS 50 this week, and I absolutely love it! Like yourself I am space restricted and it's super compact portability and accuracy is fantastic. I have also got the trolley/table on back order. Looking forward to your full review. Jeff Hawkes.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff! Looking forwards to getting mine! I didn't go for the trolley as I want to make my own cabinet for it, but the trolley looked like a fantastic and versatile base. 👍
@daveramsay5692
Жыл бұрын
I ve tried the little Festool saw at a show, I ve got the dewalt flexvolt , and they don t compare at all, the Dewalt is way better and more powerful , and at over twice the price is madness, more overpriced Festool tools
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
As I say in the video, we all have different criteria for choosing a saw; if the DeWalt does it for you then be happy it’s what you,have. 👍
@tellis9844
Жыл бұрын
I would love one of theses saws but you can buy a who load of woodworking machines and still have change for the same price
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Yep. The budget for a table saw that met my specific requirements was £2500 inc VAT; T £1700 this fits right in there. 👍
@saiiiiiii1
Жыл бұрын
Will there be a follow up soon? I'm under the impression you can only build doll houses with this. 😂
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Just as soon as I get it delivered… 🤷♂️
@zoladkow
Жыл бұрын
why? i say "why not?" - there are worse symptoms of middle age crysis i can think of 😅
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
😆
@James-lo5ne
Жыл бұрын
I've also been bent over by insurance.
@louiesworkshop2023
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, hope your well my friend, great shortlist of table saws, you clearly have put alot of thought into this, I am lucky enough to have the big Laguna fusion 3 which is a beast but a very nice table saw that is extremely accurate, I love my festool 55 and use it alot mainly for cutting down sheet stock but I really couldn't do without my table saw, you will find that having the Table saw will make some cuts agood deal easier than the rail saw, in my humble opinion I think there is room for both saws, anyways your choice of the little festool table saw is interesting and I am looking forward to seeing you put it through its paces, stay safe, Louie . Northern Ireland Uk
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Cheers Louie! Yes, it’ll be interesting to have some time with it; if I had space I’d have a big hunk of cast iron - but I don’t 🤷♂️👍
@richardhasler6718
Жыл бұрын
'KZitem millions', yes, I always suspected your workshop was actually just a film set, the actual carpentry is done by unseen apprentices and when you are not filming, you are sunning yourself in the Bahamas! Look forward to seeing that new table saw. I have the Festool cordless plunge saw and I must say it is an absolute dream to use on site. Hoping the table saw will be the same.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
It's all true... 😂 😎 ☀️
@brettguthrie4705
Жыл бұрын
KZitem millions. 🤣😂🤣Cheers from Western Australia
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 😂😆
@chevyimp5857
Жыл бұрын
Exciting times.. 😄 can see this saw going down well with the kitchen fitter/fitted furniture people.. looking forward to your first impressions.. really rate my small DeWalt but it it makes a right old racket..
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely. 👍
@Flotschki
Жыл бұрын
Hey Peter , can you give me an quick Update on your track saw collection ? Can you call an mafell saw youre own now ? Since you dont Show IT in the Videos . Greetings from Germany
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Hi! I haven’t bought anything for a while, not since I added the used Makita and Mafell - so the track saw collection stays pretty much as it is. The Mafell and Makita were bought for a ‘new or used’ video I haven’t shot yet; must get a round to that one! 👍
@Flotschki
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the quick Response Mate . Really.would Love to See that Video . Greetings
@russellscott1151
2 ай бұрын
After hankering after a cast iron top table saw for more years than I care to mention i managed to pickup the Axminster AW254TS second hand in excellent condition and then bought the sliding table attachment for it. After a LOT of playing around and excellent support from Axminster I got it setup pretty well and overall am very pleased with it for my small shop.
@mikeenglish7063
Жыл бұрын
Its ridiculous how much saws have increased since pre covid. The 8inch charnwoods, scheppachs and that lumberjack were wall 599-700 depending on where bought from, now just under a grand. Its an absolute rip off
@BrookesWood
Жыл бұрын
Ah Peter see 14 years experience isn’t good enough for some people 😂 Great video & very informative. I am looking for new next saw, wish this was in my price range but gives me some ideas of the features I might want.
@ellmannvictor
Жыл бұрын
I am so glad that you are doing this. I hope that it ticks all the same boxes for me. I am a fitted furniture maker, working out of a tiny single garage. I love making small, very precise things and need something quiet and with good dust extraction. So I will follow your videos and hope to aquire one in the near future.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, looking forwards to getting it in my hands and having a proper play with it! 👍
@mikeking7470
Жыл бұрын
I came back to this video today, the Lumberjack looks a lot like the recently discontinued Ridgid R4512 (USA). The new Ridgid looks just like the Delta 36-725T2 (except for color), a saw that has both a lot of love and a lot of hate in USA, mostly motor woes. The Delta is sold mostly by Lowes and the Ridgid is almost a Home Depot house brand. I have two tablesaws, a Shopsmith and an old Delta 1160 tilt top and an ancient DeWalt radial arm saw. So, I am not in the market for another saw. If I were buying new, in the USA, I would probably opt for the new smallest Sawstop (a Festool owned company). Where I looking for another "project" a Delta Unisaw is offered right here in town for $500 (a steal but it needs 3-phase power or a VFD to make it work). The best news about the Festool is that you should be able to recoup all your money if you decide to resell it.
@DavidLee-cw6ci
Жыл бұрын
You know what I want? A vastly stripped down table saw, just the "guts". The motor, blade and adjustments for depth and angle, and a minimal table, so that I can mount it in a bench like people mount routers. I don't need a massive table, the workbench is the table. Some people do this with circular saw hacks, but they're not designed for that.
@alexwood020589
Жыл бұрын
I've got the Axminster workshop 10 inch saw. I bought it a few years ago when it was still under the Axminster red hobby brand and about £500. Im generally very happy with it, though like most Axminster products, it took some tweaking to get good results from it. The stops for 90 and 45 degrees were both way off. The 45 degrees one was about 43, so it wasn't possible to dial in 45 degrees with a digital angle scale until I adjusted it. The fence is suuuper naff, and the dust collection is crap. It's only 1100W, and it's very easy to stall the blade. All that said, I've had spectacular results with it now that it's all tuned up.
@yngndrw.
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious to know what you didn't like about the Festool TKS80 - The one with sawstop?
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
I have a general dislike of the Festool saws that are based around the standard set by the old CMS - no mitre slots, reliance on proprietary extrusion around the saw for accessories, a fence is an optional extra etc.. etc.. and I also know a few too many folks who have struggled to get a flat one, but before any of that, I just don't like them, simple as that. 🤷♂️
@yngndrw.
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop All fair points, thank you. I'm keen to see what you think about the Festool CSC SYS 50 when it arrives and if it's any good, I hope they end up making a sawstop version.
@frenchyroastify
Жыл бұрын
I started to get on the Festool choo choo train until my bluetooth vacuum remote broke within 4 months to no fault of my own. I then learnt that Festool does not warranty their accessories at all. I am not longer aboard that train. Remember: you have 30 days to return a Festool product.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
I’m in Britain, we have different rules here. 👍
@frenchyroastify
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop I'm in Canada. Sounds like you have better rules!
@charliefoxtrot7219
9 ай бұрын
Hello Peter, I have a small work space at my home in Seattle. How good is the Fest tool dust collection system in a small space?
@10MinuteWorkshop
9 ай бұрын
Hi Charlie. It’s excellent hooked up directly to a Midi. 👍
@charliefoxtrot7219
9 ай бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you.
@martinoamello3017
Жыл бұрын
I bought my big ass Sawstop at the height of the pandemic when almost every saw I looked up was on back order with no predictions for the future. Then quite by accident I stopped in a high end tool supply house near me and they had everything in stock in town and the price was the same, actually a little less than the online retailers. Having been bitten by table saws in the past and one finger shorter than it used to be Sawstop was a no brainer for me and the 52" length makes 4x8 plywood childs play other than being heavy.. The only drawback is NOTHING in my shop was the right height so I had to rebuild some benchery..Oh well ..I wasn't born with unlimited space for a shop..
@cedartreeworkshop
Жыл бұрын
Pete - thank you so much for the in-depth share-out of your journey and decision making process - it got me thinking about my needs for a new table saw and I have some new things to consider. The higher accuracy/repeatability with the digital controls might be an time saver on many of my projects. As I would like to keep my 2 car garage workshop open, the smaller size would help avoiding filling up space with equipment (I know, I'm unusual in this way by US standards). I do hope these comes to the states in the future. It has a lot more going for it than the Sawstop for the kinds of projects I build.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I believe Festool have recently announced US availability, so fingers crossed! 👍
@5280Woodworking
Жыл бұрын
I can live without a miter/chop saw but never again will I be without a tracksaw or table saw. Tracksaw only for years and years but I never realized you can get by without a table saw but you’re only kidding yourself that it’s the better way. At least for me. Looking forward to the hybrid workflow
@kevinchamberlain7928
Жыл бұрын
Oh, you got it! Big advantage to us woodworkers is tool fetish fulfilment! Enjoy!
@clutteredchicagogarage2720
Жыл бұрын
That seems like nice saw. I live in the USA, and I own the Milwaukee M18 battery-powered jobsite table saw. I went with it because it's easy to buy in the USA, I already own some M18 batteries, and it is indeed quite portable and lightweight. I occasionally do some woodworking and carpentry projects in my garage in Chicago. When it's warm outside, I take my saw out to my garden with a couple lightweight, adjustable-height folding tables (one for the saw and one as an outfeed), and I can get decent results with my cuts. I love the portability of my saw. Even though I always hook up a shop vac + dust separator to collect sawdust when I use the saw, I always prefer to work outside in the fresh air in my garden when the weather is nice rather than inside my garage. When I do work inside my garage, I have to park my car out on the street, which is a pain since I'm in the city and I often have to circle around my neighbourhood a bit to find street parking. So I think I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit of precision to have a tool that's optimized for portability and ease-of-storage. At some point, I may look at some small hybrid cast-iron saws. On the one hand, I'd love to have a truly flat machined top to my saw, and I'd love to have a rigid and sturdy fence. On the other hand, sometimes when I'm working on a project out in my garden over a weekend, we'll suddenly get some rain in the weather forecast, and I'll have to take my tools back into the garage until the rain clears up and then carry everything back outside to resume work. At those times, I'd much rather carry around a saw that's 20 kilos rather than a saw that's 40 kilos or more... Still, I'm jealous when I watch all these videos on KZitem of people who have these great cast-iron saws with large, precision-machined work surfaces, rigid fences, and great dust extraction.
@carlosilvestri6340
Жыл бұрын
Trovare un banco sega di dimensioni piccole con precisione e silenziosità è difficile, solo le macchine più grandi e pesanti sono precise ed affidabili. Non vedo l'ora della tua recensione per questo festool. Il prezzo poteva essere più basso con alimentazione 220 volt. Peccato. Grazie molto per i tuoi video illuminanti. Bravo.
@FierceSleepingDog
Жыл бұрын
That Lumberjack saw looks like the Rigid saw which was also sold as a Craftsman (Sears) saw. I used one for 15 years. My first TS. I upgraded to SawStop last year. The Craftsman saw is still in my basement. I need to sell or donate it.
@fugenfuller-rp1fu
Жыл бұрын
Well explained and similar thoughts on requirements than I had. I once purchased a used metabo 5348 for 50€ and it worker surprisingly well, also in hardword with only 500W power. Just take it easy and it will cut anything. It is silent (no brushes), angles can be adjusted accurately. The issue of dust collection got solved with simple enclosure around the base with a door in the front to set adjustments and a hole from underneath to attache vacuum. I won't miss for stripes and small parts. Everything that is smaller than the base of the track saw got cut on that saw. it is also helpful for groves and 🐇. Latly, it got some competition from the bandsaw. Thanks for showing the festool.
@MCsCreations
Жыл бұрын
Pretty nice saw indeed, Peter! Congrats! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do - and you too!!
@joytekb
Жыл бұрын
Cant wait
@marty259
Жыл бұрын
0.22 there she is .the mafell plunge saw.what a wonderful piece of engineering it is. The ultimate enabling tool
@charlier7711
Жыл бұрын
youTube millions 😂😂 thanks for another great video
@Therealphantomzero
Жыл бұрын
This when I saw it would compliment me well. I do cabinet installations, and use the track saw mainly for that. but I don't like bringing the big DeWalt table saw because of the weight, and with my lower back issues, it really is a problem for me
@richardmoss9188
Жыл бұрын
This sounds like an explain I give to the mrs when I’ve been in the pub longer than said.
@thetallcarpenter
Жыл бұрын
Be interested to see how you get on with this saw Peter, as I've been looking to replace my portable saw for quite some time🤔Unfortunately, I can only buy a new pencil with my KZitem millions😆 Thanks for the video👍
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
A whole pencil?? You're doing better than me! I usually just nick them from Ikea... 😂
@thetallcarpenter
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop 😲
@messenger8279
Жыл бұрын
I love Festool and have a few myself. I watched the promotional video by Festool and it does seem good. However I did note that they only cut thin boards on it. I have my doubts about rip cutting solid timber with a battery saw. I have the Hikoki cordless bench saw and it eats through batteries and it doesn't last long when ripping solid timber. It can be mains supplied though and I don't think the Festool can. This was a problem for the earlier Festool track saws. They lacked power. The new ones have a much thinner blade to help overcome this. If I were you I would have asked to try a demo saw fora few days. Here in Australia the Festool rep will oblige if they have one available. Not sure in the UK.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Find me a video on the channel where you see me ripping any solid timber. 🤷♂️ As I say in the vid, it’s for small, precise cuts and narrow rips in small workpieces, it’s not for everyone and I’m not 100% sure it’s for me, but I’m prepared to fit it a try. And Festool UK wouldn’t lend me the time of day.
@messenger8279
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Why the angry reply .I have never seen anything on your channel. I am new to your channel. I'm commenting on the saw not you or your ability. Hope it's all you believe it to be. Best of luck with your projects.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
@@messenger8279 I’m not angry at all. But you do seem to want to ascribe your use case of this saw to me, and as I’ve spent the entire video explaining, my requirements for a saw like this are very specific - small, quiet and precise, for repeatable cuts in thin stock. Yes, I’d prefer it to have a mains option, but it’s battery only; I don’t see that as being a huge problem, otherwise I wouldn’t have bought it. 👍
@messenger8279
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop I stated my business in a shop like yours in SW London 35 years ago. I totally understand your needs. The problem seems to be your ego. You're carrying on like a small child. Get over it mate Its just a saw. Hope it works out nd if it doesn't it's no big deal's it. Calm down mate.
@petercoughlan103
Жыл бұрын
I previously owned a Charnwood 650 couldn't wait to get rid of it replaced it with a Startrite panel saw brilliant piece of kit.
@DominicGiles
Жыл бұрын
Sooooooo.... I got mine on Friday. It ooooozes quality. On starting up and starting the calibration process the blade rose... went 45 degrees.... Then stopped. The display then said calibration was cancelled... Showed a red exclamation mark. And that was that. Can't do anything else... Powered on, Powered off, Batteries out... Batteries in. Restart... Nothing. Seems to have frozen. Won't do anything else... I phoned Festool... But caught them 2 mins before they were due to wrap it up for the weekend. With respect to them they did call back but I was on another call.... Now I have to wait till Monday... Hoping that there's some factory reset of process that enables me to move on.... Was so looking forward to using this. Quality for a small table saw is amazing. If only I could get it to work.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
That’s so disappointing! Let me know how you get on subsequently - I’d be very interested to hear. 👍
@DominicGiles
Жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Short update. Festool say it probably needs a software update.... This software update can only be applied via a Android device. I don't have one (sounds like Festool doesn't use Android devices either.). Phoned round my friends and found a tablet. We'll give it a go tomorrow... I know it's early days but even before I can use it... I need to update the firmware.
@lemech
Жыл бұрын
@@DominicGiles Did the update fix the issue? This is the second issue I've heard with the early batches. The first one is the sliding table not being co-planar with the fixed table. The delivery for the CSC 50 has been delayed worldwide. I wondering if the back log is due to high orders or Festool has stopped production to fix the unforeseen issues.
@DominicGiles
Жыл бұрын
@@lemech all sorted now. Festool support helped. I first updated the batteries and that that seemed to allow me to access the tool via an android device. That enabled me to rest the saw and was able to proceed.
@lemech
Жыл бұрын
@@DominicGiles Great! Glad to hear all working fine for you.
@davidmatke248
Жыл бұрын
I'm excited to see how you like it Peter. I'm even more excited to learn that the CSC SYS 50 is coming to the US later this year! I just wish it had the Sawstop technology in it.
@robertpearce802
Жыл бұрын
Last week, I raised the same point with Peter about Sawstop technology. He pointed out that the technology requires an earthed supply which is not available on a battery tool. This makes sense to me.
@davidmatke248
Жыл бұрын
That does make sense, but I still wish it had the finger saving technology.
@markhedquist9597
Жыл бұрын
Whoa! Coming to the US?? Ok, then. I'll take on a second job to start saving for one now. Or maybe a second mortgage. Lol
@BNMCarpentry
Жыл бұрын
Dewalt cordless! Would of saved yourself over a grand. Good dust collection and quiet. £1700 is nuts festool take the pee. Although my festool dust extractor is amazing.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
86dB is not quiet. 🤷♂️
@BNMCarpentry
Жыл бұрын
What is the festool peter?
@BNMCarpentry
Жыл бұрын
Also what difference does the noise of the motor make. Surely the wood being cut makes the same level of noise on any saw. Bit off a silly reason to spend an extra £1000
@madventure2318
Жыл бұрын
Best of luck with it, Peter. I have the Milwaukee M18 saw and love it but… I just wish there was a power adapter. I had a big job on cutting a lot of oak and it just ate batteries - even the 12ah ones. Waiting about for big (and expensive!) batteries charging is not good for productivity! The new Festool one looks stunning and very well designed - doesn’t all Festool - but batteries just aren’t worth the hassle for me for big kit. With all that said - I will watch your video with green-eyes because it does look soooo cool.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And yes, I agree re the mains adapter, it’s a baffling decision not to something available - even a power brick would get you out of a tight spot - and I’ve heard from more than a few kitchen fitters who’ve said that it’s the batteries that’s the most off putting aspect, as they’re not on the Festool battery platform. 🤷♂️👍
@colinmartin9797
Жыл бұрын
Speaking as a paramedic, if it's not a sawstop, it's not worth buying. I kinda wish sawstop went full Volvo with their tech and didn't patent it. It should be mandatory on all table saws. I've seen far too many amputations and deaths on the table saw to ever recommend anything else.
@brucelee3388
Жыл бұрын
The original patentee was a lawyer specializing in in patent and copyright actions. The conditions he proposed for licensing the product were commercially unviable.
@richardstevenson2727
Жыл бұрын
👍
@etafws
Жыл бұрын
any sign of the table saw yet ?
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
No, I need to chase them up, been busy on other stuff. 👍👍
@martijnfransen9933
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, i live in the Netherlands i bought the axeminster bench top saw (craft) great saw. Though i have it for a year now it good available here now (gereedschappro approx 1100 euro) i have the smaller (216mm) version and i added the side extensions to it. It is a relay nice saw. But on top of this you then also should buy a dust extraction with bigger capacity 100mm port a normal shopvac will not work. That also adds to the cost. Br. Martijn
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Martijn! I already have a 100mm vac, but part of the appeal of the Festool is that it’s designed to use a regular CTL extractor. 👍👍
@Smartie40.
Жыл бұрын
Surprised that you dismissed the Festool CS50 and CS70. You said you did not like then so fair enough but I have owned the CS70 for about 6 years and find it so versatile. I removed the legs and made a cabinet on castors with a CTL26 built in. Works amazingly well. Can position it in seconds to use surrounding surfaces as support or out feed tables. Extraction is great and can just lift it off the base and take it the work place if needed. Then you have the fantastic pull saw feature, which for me takes the place of a chop/mitre saw. This is hands down the most useful, versatile tool I have and I just love using.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m planning with this saw, cabinet with vac beneath. 👍
@kenzokan167
Жыл бұрын
"KZitem millions" 😆
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
😆
@sailrockpaperscissors8261
Жыл бұрын
hi are you going to do a follow up on this saw now you have it ?
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
I still don't have it yet, so my next follow up will be entitled "where's my fcuking saw!" 🤷♂️
@sailrockpaperscissors8261
Жыл бұрын
@10MinuteWorkshop oh dear I've had mine a few weeks clean cuts a few negatives with rip cut repeatability accurately interested to see how you get on
@TLDRDad
Жыл бұрын
Has the saw come in? Anxiously awaiting your review and the US release which seems to be at least 3 months away (although I would be surprised is they waited until the 3rd quarter of the year). When you do the review, can you measure the height of the Systainer. I can’t seem to find those specs anywhere online. I’m assuming it’s close to 22” (558 mm) based on the posted dimensions of the saw.
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
No, I still don’t have it yet. ‘Due any day now’ they say. 🤷♂️ And sure, I’ll measure the height against a regular stack of systainers. 👍
@leemarrett
Жыл бұрын
I got to this video because I'm currently trying to figure out the best way to accurately and repeatedly cut small pieces of wood (70 x 80mm) with a track saw. How did you do that before deciding to purchase a table saw? Have you done a video on this?
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Yep, have a look at Tricky Tracksaw Cuts [video 460] kzitem.info/news/bejne/2piJuY5ri2VilH4
@mikekaiser72
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, have you chased up to see where your saw is? I finally committed to getting one after watching this video. I was supposed to have got it last week, but I was told Festool Germany was delayed until mid-April, and that's just the saw, the undercarriage delayed until May. Hope it's worth the wait. Are you going to do an unboxing and set up video? Regards Mike
@10MinuteWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. I’ve been away, but no, no comment from anyone on the delivery. I need to base this up this week as it’s been a couple of months now. 🤷♂️👍
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