"I hate sand. It's coarse and it gets everywhere." - The Council probably
@watersensei1
4 ай бұрын
and rough and irritating
@acekechi
4 ай бұрын
To Cacturn - "You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master"
@sleekntears9467
4 ай бұрын
That’s why competitive pokemon is a joke. Something is strong? Ban it
@lucasgreer1736
4 ай бұрын
@@sleekntears9467 pretty much every other competitive game also bans unbalanced stuff
@sleekntears9467
4 ай бұрын
@@lucasgreer1736 Usually bans occur before each match and are decided by the players
@Nadid_Dhrabb
4 ай бұрын
People on their way to berate the OU council for not banning Kingambit and Gholdengo instead of Cacturne in gen 3 OU
@Fanimati0n
4 ай бұрын
I feel that Gholdengo & Kingambit aren't quite banworthy at the moment. I think menaces like Espathra & Annihilape that worked their way to ubers are the real bs ones, though I'd say that Kingambit & Gholdengo are just barely *not* oubl worthy
@downtownraw2676
4 ай бұрын
@@Fanimati0n OHH BROTHER STHAAAPPPP Gholdengo and Kingambit are literaly the most brain dead mons with busted abilities in the meta atm. They litteraly flip the script whenever they are in stage
@austinlundahl5349
4 ай бұрын
Tbf they didn’t ban cacturne they banned sandveil which is cacturnes only ability. You can still use gligar because it has another ability in hyper cutter. I learned all of this from the insane gamer jimothy cool
@samp_txt
4 ай бұрын
@@downtownraw2676 brother is still complaining about Ghold after a year and a half of it existing in the metagame. Can guarantee that you just straight up have not interacted with the competitive scene in a minute if you think Ghold is in anyway shape or form broken in its current state.
@underbandit2372
4 ай бұрын
@@downtownraw2676I agree that Kingambit is still brain dead, but Gholdengo is not that crazy anymore. He is countered by at least half of OU based on type matchups alone since OU is infested with heavy hitting ground and fire types like Volc, Heatran, Gliscor, etc. Not to mention how most of these mons are faster than Ghold (BST wise) like Samurott-H and Great Tusk. In fact, Gholdengo is best at deterring stall strats since Bliss and Corv barely have counters against it, or just chipping away at enemy health with make it rain. Gholdengo is not a balanced Mon, but I don’t think it should be banned either.
@ZBB415
4 ай бұрын
They banned cacturne because he was out standing in his field
@Pepesmall
4 ай бұрын
Brilliant
@phellowshipstar8756
3 ай бұрын
This is the only good comment in this entire comment section
@nathanrice8778
3 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. Like boohoo ur Tyranitar can’t beat a fuckin cactus💀fuckin get over it 😂
@CPUGoddessBlanc
2 ай бұрын
Dammit, take my like and get outta my comments! 😂
@zinzolin14
2 ай бұрын
Cacturne when he heard this: 😐
@echogaia1708
4 ай бұрын
"Cacturne unique typing in that generation" Shiftry : Am i a joke to you?
@minecraftoverlord4212
4 ай бұрын
Yes, actually.
@rifasclub
4 ай бұрын
Well, sun is not as good as sandstorm.
@TheSandwhichman108
4 ай бұрын
Sorry Shiftry…But carturn is better than you in practically every way until the gen 4 physical/special split.
@sheepisfortheweak6164
4 ай бұрын
Yes, you are. Away with you, you worthless tengu.
@Ed_man_talking9
4 ай бұрын
sorry Shiftry, but T-taur doesn't bring the sun.
@cinder8154
4 ай бұрын
It’s so cool to me that older generations still get some competitive play even today
@ianr.navahuber2195
4 ай бұрын
i wonder how that happens. they use emulator or official games?
@cinder8154
4 ай бұрын
good question
@fabiangrandez2957
4 ай бұрын
@@ianr.navahuber2195 they use pokemon showdown
@nd1095
4 ай бұрын
@@ianr.navahuber2195 it's mostly played on pokemon showdown
@ruludos1977
4 ай бұрын
@@ianr.navahuber2195 pokemon showdown mostly, it's an online simulator
@FiresBZ
4 ай бұрын
It's funny because it's not banned in UU because Tyranitar isn't there to set up sandstorm
@Fuhuhu
4 ай бұрын
But if sand veil is banned from OU, is it not also banned from UU ?
@Oscarus4250
4 ай бұрын
@@Fuhuhu No, because sand isn't nearly as prevalent there (if it is even slightly present in the first place...) In Gen 3, only three Pokemon total had weather inducing Abilities - Groudon with Drought, Kyogre with Drizzle, and Tyranitar with Sand Stream. Since legends are Uber-bound and pseudolegend is OU's #1, they are clearly out of UU's boundaries. And activating weather with a move isn't as good as with an ability. Still, when it comes to activating weather with a move, Sunny Day and Rain Dance are more likely to be seen than Sandstorm due to them being, I believe, slighty better in UU, as there aren't that many Pokemon in UU which could benefit from sandstorm; you have Cradily, Gligar, Sandslash, maybe Quagsire too... and that's it.
@matthewadams1674
18 күн бұрын
@@Fuhuhu Also something I want to add is that with past gens bans only affect the tier they happen in as to not shift metas with limited player basses.
@CountGremlin
4 ай бұрын
"Those damn Smogon bureaucrats!!" -Cactune after the ban 😂
@rjagad
4 ай бұрын
Literally China CPC moment.
@lazypaladin
4 ай бұрын
_Smogon Bureaucrats_ I love it 😂👌
@snakyYT
4 ай бұрын
Damn smogon you allow stall teams. BRING BACK EVASION(ONLY FOR ABILITIES)
@tysondennis1016
3 ай бұрын
Cacturne is what happens when a desert plant becomes terminally addicted to gambling.
@ItsJustKaya
3 ай бұрын
Feel like its JJK reference but also could be darktype joke
@tysondennis1016
3 ай бұрын
@@ItsJustKaya It's because its Sand Veil turns matchups against it into games where luck matters more than skill.
@hansbloodsmith
3 ай бұрын
Cacturne never acquired Evasion Boosting technique... But... The evasion overflowing due to Cacturne's Sand Veil caused his body to reflectively dodge every incoming attacks.... In other words.... In the 4:11 following a Sandstorm, Cacturne is effectively INVINCIBLE...
@cameronballz6154
Ай бұрын
Let's go gambling! *Gets hit* Aww dang it *Gets hit* Aww dang it *Gets hit* Aww dang it
@sephikong8323
28 күн бұрын
I swear that Hakari has forever tainted the word gambling in my mind
@yoalexdanoob4177
4 ай бұрын
He's outstanding in his field
@hps362
4 ай бұрын
folks...
@Draytherion
4 ай бұрын
Underrated comment 😂😂😂
@kaloncpu57
3 ай бұрын
There's the comment I was looking for
@miketacos9034
2 ай бұрын
“He’s just standing there… menacingly!”
@a.v.y8331
2 ай бұрын
an important factor is that cacturne is a REALLY good answer to 2 out of the three main rapid spinners in gen 3. neither starmie nor claydol match up well against cacturne unless starmie has ice beam, which can easily miss against sand veil. cacturne can also pretty easily take out offensive starmie and defensive starmie is hardwalled by cacturne. the only rapid spinner that cacturne can't match up well against is forretress which double resists both its stabs, but that's why you usually build a team that focuses on taking out steels (swampert, mag, etc.) and then cacturne sits on the field for WAY too long and leech seeds, spikes up, subs, whatever, and your opponent can do very little about it
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
Hadn't it been banned, people would probably be cautious enough to go with a Flying type stab aerial ace.
@a.v.y8331
Ай бұрын
@@alejandrop.s.3942 that probably would have been the case, which would take up moveslots on mons already overloaded with roles, allowing cacturne's team to exploit the lack of certain important coverage on key mons.
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
@@a.v.y8331 That´s the point, diversity, you cannot expect being prepared for everything. It´s funnier imo.
@a.v.y8331
Ай бұрын
@@alejandrop.s.3942 I think it IS funny as hell, but I also think that was probably the reason it was banned. I think the playerbase and council at the time figured that it was going to take too many resources to specifically prepare for cacturne that it would punch pretty exploitable holes in teams and would lead to a less "good" metagame overall. but it definitely would have been fun to see the metagame evolve around it and how different strategies and teambuilding concepts arise to handle it as a true part of the metagame.
@alejandrop.s.3942
11 күн бұрын
@@a.v.y8331 That was a mistake imo, like Baton Pass crippled and so on, although I still go sometimes with a BP Zapdos-Marowak that works great. That´s why it is so refreshing when you run into somebody with a really original team and idea, even for such an old team. I remember watching vapicuno´s Swellow strategy and being amazed, but I was afraid that the community would ban that berry hahaha
@naturalharmoniagropius4486
4 ай бұрын
I remember that. Cacturne's only ability is Sand Veil, and since Sand is just defines Gen 3 OU due to Tyranitar, they decide to just ban Cacturne entirely.
@mage3659
4 ай бұрын
Its almost as if he said all that in the video lol
@Kai............
4 ай бұрын
I remember that too. Cacturne’s unique typing allowed it to set up spikes against claydol, the premier rapid spinner in adv ou
@AizakkuAdoman
4 ай бұрын
Ironic for all the complains of too much water in gen 3, sand is the broken weather in the format
@why3994
4 ай бұрын
@@Kai............ Did you know that it is immune to psychic, and also resists earthquake?
@naturalharmoniagropius4486
4 ай бұрын
@@mage3659 not everyone has the attention span like yours, bro
@flameacegaming
4 ай бұрын
This also means my boy Sandslash was also banned :(
@KusogeMan
4 ай бұрын
was it? for real?
@airymems
4 ай бұрын
Didn't sandslash have the one that boosted speed?
@flameacegaming
4 ай бұрын
@@airymems As a Hidden Abbility, but those were introduced post-Gen 3
@flameacegaming
4 ай бұрын
@@KusogeMan Yeah
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
I tried him out in OU with Flail, Endure, Earthquake and sth else, Swords Dance maybe and a Salac, but he lacks the punch. I think I tried to Swords Dance after a Memento, but still it wasn't enough. Besides, Gengar...
@adnagapot
4 ай бұрын
Some people went so far as to use cacnea as a cacturn lite
@cellP8
16 күн бұрын
@@adnagapot if the parent isnt around the kid will take over!
@mistermisfortune13
4 ай бұрын
PSA: Sand Veil evasion is equivalent to using Double Team a single time
@foxshinehiyaa3933
3 ай бұрын
And PSA for the PSA : the sandstorm is infinite when the ability sand stream activates in gen 3 so sand veil is a evasion version of the ability intrepid sword
@mistermisfortune13
3 ай бұрын
@@foxshinehiyaa3933 very true
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
Imo that's not broken at all. Sand stream itself is way more broken. Every team must be prepared to deal with Tyranitar, it is the most relevant Pokémon in the meta. I'm not saying it should be banned, au contraire, I prefer as much variety as possible. Imo the only broken strategies were the stalemates between Woobofutes or whatever it's written.
@mistermisfortune13
Ай бұрын
@@alejandrop.s.3942 a single double team isn't even remotely broken
@FrostyTheCookie
16 күн бұрын
In other words, immortality. All it takes is one double team and I'll literally never hit the opponent. Also, substitute got way out of hand with it, especially since it ran sub seed. Sub Seed with evasion is premier bullshit. There's a reason evasion strats are always banned, there is zero skill involved. It is a 100% luck based cheese strat. Pokemon is full of luck, but there's such thing as too much luck. Evade strats are incredibly uncompetitive.
@rorozoro182
4 ай бұрын
Encountering a swords dance + sucker punch cacturne in showdown randoms is scary
@gregorymirabella1423
4 ай бұрын
Similar thing happened to garchomp, it was only unbanned in gen 5 once it got rough skin.
@cinderblockgamingweresolid5731
4 ай бұрын
The editing on these short is always so pleasing to look at
@CursedGamingLord
4 ай бұрын
We need a Cacturne live/video fam 😭 One of my favorite mons of all time, carried me through a whole gen 6 tournament Shotouts to Sorriso (it means "smile"), the PU demon
@victorluiz7945
3 ай бұрын
Portuguese?
@kekistani_meme_farmer7242
3 ай бұрын
They should make swift do more damage the higher the opponents evasiveness is and the lower your accuracy is.
@Jesse110
3 ай бұрын
that is one of the best balance ideas I have ever heard for Pokemon
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
Man, that's such a great idea. You could try to send it to Game Freak.
@cellP8
16 күн бұрын
@@kekistani_meme_farmer7242 multiply the damage of moves that dont miss by 1.5 if target has any evasion boost
@luigisilver818_7
4 ай бұрын
I actually used a Sandstorm team in Emerald once. It was a pretty well rounded team, I had Cacturne in it too, but when I went to fight Steven he was immune to my Sandstorm and as a result it became one of my favorite battles in a Pokémon game. When it came down to our last Mon I had Cacturne and Sand Veil kicked it at the right time, if it didn't activate I would've lost, and I won.
@barneythemusicmaker1098
4 ай бұрын
Ou accurate
@cobalt7248
4 ай бұрын
Cacturne mentioned 🍻 (I'm the one existing Cacturne fan)
@yosh9192
4 ай бұрын
It’s honestly so sick, absolutely deserves a crossgen evo or a mega
@Bulleta420
3 ай бұрын
Cacturne gang rise up, I've loved him ever since his debut, I always use him anytime I play through gen 3
@noble0155
4 ай бұрын
this pokemon killed friendships and caused divorces
@hyoroemongaming569
4 ай бұрын
Only for smogonscrub
@yosh9192
4 ай бұрын
@@hyoroemongaming569 We get it, you suck at battling and probably unironically struggled with Cynthia past the age of 14
@BrokenValentine-333
3 ай бұрын
He just like me fr fr 😤
@kingcradi
4 ай бұрын
This battle animation you just made is 🔥🔥🔥
@austinwilburn1772
4 ай бұрын
I’m a casual Pokémon player but even I can tell that Pokémon sounds really good against the current Pokémon used in tournaments. I did play Yugioh for 13 years and been playing Magic the Gathering for 11 years and one of my favorite card subject is Anti-meta. For me when I study a card that is no longer used in tournaments because they have fallen out of favor and it was a anti-meta card, aka a card that was good against what was being used at that point in time, it’s like a flashback, a piece of history that can be used to see how tournaments were in days gone by.
@_Rhatsody
4 ай бұрын
This is why everyone hates Justy in Pokémon colosseum
@forsetimaster0689
4 ай бұрын
I just wrapped up my playthrough and I absolutely can confirm.
@whitedragonzerureusu4480
4 ай бұрын
Yep actually one of the hardest or trickiest fights in that game. But i actually kinda like the challenge he brings in
@forsetimaster0689
4 ай бұрын
@@whitedragonzerureusu4480 True. Umbreon's Feint Attack made me appreciate moves that never miss a lot more.
@blazingkite8983
Ай бұрын
A cactus banned for living in its habitat. Damn. Even pokemons have it rough setting up a life.
@Regiultima
4 ай бұрын
Just like Articuno being banned from BDSP OU pre-Home since you could only get Snow Cloak Articuno in BDSP.
@stetsonherrick8090
4 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t that also mean Glaceon got shafted by proxy since Snow Cloak has been the only Non Dream World ability it has?
@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32
4 ай бұрын
Sandstorm is probably the best way to beat the battle frontier
@yosh9192
4 ай бұрын
I always run something that knows Sandstorm in the Battle Arena for the sole purpose of completely shutting down Greta’s Brightpowder Shedinja, even if I’d never use it otherwise
@echogaia1708
4 ай бұрын
Cacnea Sandslash and Sandshrew are banned too, at least Gligar can use Hyper Cutter
@verbalengine95
2 ай бұрын
Mentioning Evasion and Accuracy mods to smogon is like asking a baptist church what they think if metal music
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
Some say that if you say something about Mr. Mime and Batton Pass your closest Smogon mod shall implode.
@HaisaySasaki
4 ай бұрын
Nah he was banned for being too cool, the coolest looking mon in the game 😎
@Boomhandshoot
4 ай бұрын
Nah, Cacture is the Find out of Tyranitar's Eff around. It didnt deserve the ban
@s1rumbrens.u133
4 ай бұрын
yes, he deserve, gain evasion boost and trying to dealt with this is bullshit and uncompetitive
@FrostyTheCookie
16 күн бұрын
Maybe you should stick to slots with that gambler's mindset lol
@uberfiend2544
3 ай бұрын
This made me remember my trickroom sand doubles team.
@LimaFX
2 ай бұрын
That pokemon was a nightmare to deal with
@lucasboat
4 ай бұрын
Fun fact: they are still allowed in the lower tiers
@nightmare348
2 ай бұрын
Sand cactus ate EVERYTHING
@Petsinwinter2
4 ай бұрын
You could also count on Sand being up in Gen 3 because Tar is the only one with a weather ability in ADV OU.
@justindekoning9988
4 ай бұрын
Theres a lot going on here with this. It wasn't always banned. But Garchomp in gen 4 got banned and sand veil was the final straw because Chomp quite litteraly had no counters the only thing close was Choice specs Starmie and band Weavile could revenge kill it through a Yache berry but thanks to sand veil even that had a 20% chance to fail. People just argued that it was only broken on Garchomp so in Gen 5 a few players went out of there way to prove that it was sand veil that was broken and they used Cacturne and Cacnea to prove it was sand veil that was broken and it was then banned in every generation and snow cloak eventualy followed years later
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
The Garchomp issue sounds sensible, but I think Cacturne's ban was unfair. I havent run the numbers, but I don't think a defensive Cacturne could resist an Adamant Salamence's Aerial Ace.
@justindekoning9988
Ай бұрын
@@alejandrop.s.3942 agreed i understand why its banned in later générations because sub+ sucker punch can just cheese past things it shouldnt be able to beat with some luck. But in gen 3 it really ia just paying for Ttar's sins
@deathblowringo4168
4 ай бұрын
That reminds me in Pokemon Colosseum at the Orre Colosseum Lv.100 singles, where Athlete Naga at the round 2 uses a Sandstorm + Sand Veil + Bright powder / Lax Incense strategy just like with Worker Lobel at the 1st battle of the round 2 in XD, and it is even more worse because his Cacturne and Dugtrio have Double Team. As I said, Lax Incense in gen 3 reduces the accuracy of moves targeting the holder by 5% opposed to Bright Powder's 10%.
@bigboypapaboy
3 ай бұрын
Some out bans I didn’t even mind them before they were banned. Like when greninja got banned I was surprised because he just seemed like a regular mon
@FriedWafflez8208
2 ай бұрын
Imagine a giant metal monster blowing up and you just end fine up without taking any damage
@cuzwynaut7248
3 ай бұрын
I love your animation
@iuxbaesuzystan
4 ай бұрын
Pretty sure you can still use manual sandstorm + Cacturne in lower ADV tiers if I'm not mistaken? It was only in OU it's banned.
@thepedrojay
4 ай бұрын
we did mention this in the longer version on TikTok! Didn't make it to the 60s cut here unfort
@FrostyTheCookie
16 күн бұрын
Manual Sandstorm at the very least isn't permanent like Sand Stream in gen 3
@codyw454
2 ай бұрын
Super cool to know this info. Also, anyone else notice the "gliglar" misspelling. Still really cool that I didn't know this before.
@memebrain2177
4 ай бұрын
Survivability ties to your defense and hp Accuracy ties to kills per hour
@LathanFitzpatrick-vx5zp
3 ай бұрын
tbh, I love Cacturne and I never knew it was such a menace, so this makes me happy
@BigCaj
3 ай бұрын
god Smogon hates anything that isn’t boring as fuck
@nospimi99
3 ай бұрын
While I do agree, I don’t blame them in this case. No one likes evasion boosts. Moves are already “balanced” to incorporate them automatically missing a certain amount of times based on their power or secondary effects. The fact that people can just passively make an opponent’s turn randomly just be skipped is infuriating.
@BigCaj
3 ай бұрын
@@nospimi99 never-miss moves (like aerial ace, specifically in this case) exist and the para/sleep/freeze statues conditions are still allowed despite also providing the chance for an opponent to straight up do nothing, so i don’t get what the problem with evasion is. i honestly think it would’ve spiced up the competitive scene with people having to come up with strategies to work around it, rather than just getting rid of it and crushing any niche for underappreciated/underutilized mons
@nooooooooo432
3 ай бұрын
I promise you sand veil sub is not fun
@BigCaj
3 ай бұрын
@@nooooooooo432 garchomp and ttar go brrrrr
@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise
3 ай бұрын
@@BigCaj Why do people bring up aerial ace type moves like they actually make evasion balanced? It’s a 60 base power nonstab move and a very dead slot vs any team w/o the cactus. The Pokémon that can learn it in ADV OU will just be always worse if they run it outside of this one very specific matchup. If Zapdos or Skarmory or even freaking Metagross have to run Aerial Ace specifically to beat a Pokémon they should already always beat then something is very wrong. I don’t want a metagame revolving around evasion and neither does anybody else, 50 turns of dodging cacti using leech seed and substitute isn’t interesting or fun its mind numbing. If you really want evasion strats, play some Power Of Alchemy Muk-Alola teams in VGC, there are a couple of them you can find and they’re pretty powerful, singles and evasion though just do not mix well.
@brett1908
4 ай бұрын
I actually did know cacturne was banned thanks to a very cool guy named jimothy.
@anameyoucantremember
3 ай бұрын
Cacturne was my most powerful pokemon in Emerald, that was some really god tier thing back in the day lol
@slader-13
3 ай бұрын
Also cacturne being a grass dark type means it has a good type matchup agaisnt tyranitar
@NoSi_420
Ай бұрын
A lot of people dont seem to get that you cant out skill this strategy because its based on luck Also banning tyranitar would take a lot more from the meta than cacturn
@alejandrop.s.3942
Ай бұрын
It's equivalent to a single Double Team. It can be a problem, but it's not broken. Besides, what about Aerial Ace?
@e-duh3529
6 күн бұрын
@@alejandrop.s.3942 aerial ace is a weak move that would only be used for cacturne(and Breloom probably). You'd need to slot aerial ace into most of your team's movesets because you don't want a poor match up against one single pokémon, thus making teambuilding more restrictive. It's healthier to just ban sand veil
@alejandrop.s.3942
6 күн бұрын
@@e-duh3529 let's just ban everything that it's not in the meta, because it makes me think about alternative threats to my team
@e-duh3529
6 күн бұрын
@@alejandrop.s.3942 most of that which you call "not in the meta" is not a problem and doesn't need to be tested, let alone banned
@alejandrop.s.3942
6 күн бұрын
@@e-duh3529 I guess you didn't read my comment with the irony that it was intended. That's the point, why to ban Cacturne, as many other viable, not broken strategies? Imo, as long as a strategy is not blatantly broken, such as a Woobofet's ethernal match when they faced each other, or moves such as Guillotine, we should have as many alternatives as possible to have a funnier, more alternative meta. If you have to reserve an specific slot for a 100% move such as Aerial Ace or Shock Wave, that's too bad, but evasion, hax and luck are present in the base game. It sucks when you lose for a critic or for missing a hit, but it is what it is. Should we ban critic hits? Should we ban Rock Slide because it might cause flinching?Should we ban Fire, Ice, Thunder Punch because they might cause status, and only let specific status moves such as Will-O Wisp for this? To sum up, with all due respect, the waste of an specific slot for that is BS for me. You cannot expect to be prepared for absolutely everything someone can send to you, it's delusional, nobody has a 100% win percentage, considering how diverse the game is, and how talented are many players that come up with great ideas rather than following the meta. Otherwise, all matches would be solved only by who has the mon with the best stats, aside from the skill of the player to read the opponent and so on.
@user-dy9nr9yg4o
4 ай бұрын
The other cool thing about Sand Veil is it makes pokemon that would normal take damage in Sandstorm immune.
@mrburrito1096
4 ай бұрын
That animation is sick ngl
@kingster7853
13 күн бұрын
Knowing my luck I’d still manage to get hit by the flamethrower 😭😭
@Weareonenation303
4 ай бұрын
What surprises me was how long sand veil, brightpowder and other lucked based bullshit was allowed in OU.
@Fanimati0n
4 ай бұрын
Tbh, pokemon is luck based in general. You can do all of the preparation in the world, but one errant crit or missed will-o-wisp can make all of that work be worthless.
@JohnSmith-ik8nt
4 ай бұрын
Almost as if playing it competitively is dumb
@Snagavitch
4 ай бұрын
@@Fanimati0nthat’s true but the purpose of a competitive game is to remove the unnecessary mechanics that rely too heavily on rng, hence their eventual ban
@metareaper8008
4 ай бұрын
Its almost like random chance is a core mechanic of the entire rpg genre
@foxshinehiyaa3933
3 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-ik8ntyou are not the brightest in your school for sure
@LilZuZu
3 ай бұрын
Interesting considering a few generations later they introduced cacturne with secret ability (absorb)
@DoinkDeetus
4 ай бұрын
Crazy how they made this totally fun and cool event pass to make free to play players wait two weeks
@jamtone4492
4 ай бұрын
Oh, and caturne was so gimicky, people ran cacnea to get another one.
@cellP8
4 ай бұрын
They should have given cacturne water absorb And the pokemon that lives in the desert doesnt even learn scorching sands…
@armaggedon390
4 ай бұрын
Smogon: "This is too OP and over used." Also Smogon: "Stealth Rocks, my beloved."
@Gich101
4 ай бұрын
Depends on the meta
@itztaytay2
4 ай бұрын
Well this is also about gen 3, which didn't have stealth rocks
@nd1095
4 ай бұрын
stealth rocks actually helps to ensure that stall isn't op so it helps to make a less toxic meta
@oscen335
4 ай бұрын
Ppl: SMOGON LOVES STALL😠😠 Also Ppl: WhY Arent St-st-stEaltH rOCks banned!!(stealth rocks wasnt even in gen3)
@yosh9192
4 ай бұрын
If you can’t play around stealth rocks, your opinion is invalid
@icebearpanda7068
3 ай бұрын
Substitute and leechseed is evil itself I remember doing it on venosaur..
@Shusui60
2 ай бұрын
in a pokemon french let's play, a youtuber named it "Casseburne" that we can translate by Annoying, now i know it was for a reason 😂
@austinlundahl5349
4 ай бұрын
Joey we need a jimothy cool collab with the boys
@kadabraguy9846
4 ай бұрын
This would be insane
@barbaxamos
3 ай бұрын
Evasion is not something to trifle with in turn based games.
@ItsJustKaya
3 ай бұрын
I genuinly dont get the logic of competitive players. Hopes more for flinches and status instead trust to focus blast. Rather trust to +1 evasion instead of focusblast.
@callmezeldaonemoartime
3 ай бұрын
@@ItsJustKayabecause that’s genuinely a terrible move? Have you even touched competitive Pokémon before??
@matthewmiller1847
3 ай бұрын
Aerial Ace... There's literally a never miss move thats super effective against Cacturne. If people used Cacturne because Tyranitar, why couldn't people also adapt with flying types with Aerial Ace? Flying types are also immune to spikes. Gligar with sandveil is a different problem.
@crunch4743
3 ай бұрын
Having to run aerial ace for one specific team comp is highly unhealthy to the meta. You force a bad move onto a Pokémon solely to resolve one Pokémon being an issue in the meta. Why restrict team building so harshly, when there is a better answer in removing the Pokémon? Cacturne brings little value to the meta.
@rhouxfang4172
3 ай бұрын
@@crunch4743Well here's the issue. If Sandstorm is triggering Sand veil, just stop using a Sandstorm type. It's pretty ridiculous to me that sand veil would get banned just because it shook up the meta.
@crunch4743
3 ай бұрын
@@rhouxfang4172 does this not work the other way having to remove the far more helpful sandstorm which has a healthy effect on the meta is worse than removing a cactus.
@ZeraWitch
2 ай бұрын
You could say he was out standing in his field
@Somersalsa
3 ай бұрын
I got so distracted by that combat animation why isn't there a pokemon game like that yet omg
@BakedBaconBoi
4 ай бұрын
Question: Why is it called ADV OU instead of RSE OU or something like that?
@emperortoho
4 ай бұрын
because fire red, leaf green, and colosseum were the only ways to get some pokemon since rs didn’t have every pokemon rs ou is separate from adv ou
@callmezeldaonemoartime
3 ай бұрын
It includes FireRed and LeafGreen
@Noahloveless1
3 ай бұрын
I didnt understand a single one of those acronyms he used.
@doctordoom8875
4 ай бұрын
Cacturne still gets to be in UU though LOL
@JackieJackJackerJacky
4 ай бұрын
Because permanent Sandstorm isn't in ADV UU
@sketchydude8431
4 ай бұрын
Tyranitaur is the only pokemon with Sand Stream, which sets unlimited sand Using a move like Sandstorm only sets sand for a limited amount of turns, meaning OU is the only tier youre going to see sand 100% of the time.
@reidf96
3 ай бұрын
Were there ever any discussions about banning Ttar due to this
@Zomgnomnom1
3 ай бұрын
No. Sand wasn't the issue. Sand Veil was. Cacturne was still allowed to be played in lower tiers, where Sand wasn't a near permanent fixture of the meta game.
@khub5660
3 ай бұрын
@Zomgnomnom1 so in other words, Sand was in fact the issue but no one wanted to ban Tyranitar due to needing a clear cut difference between the tiers. Makes sense
@p0kem0nlvl1
4 ай бұрын
Step aside mega rayquaza, catcus is the og
@sutoriimmortal2177
Ай бұрын
"And then we put it on the next gen's pseudo legend" -Gamefreak.
@eightcoins4401
4 ай бұрын
Gen 3 OU is the most wacky meta
@robyban08
24 күн бұрын
playstation or xbox is like choosing a starter irl
@sayvionwashington1939
4 ай бұрын
"Hey guys, what do you think of Cacturne?"
@MattDustyParker
4 ай бұрын
Cacturne and gligar are my boys. Never thought to pair them up in gen 3. Maybe this is how i beat the battke frontier finally.
@Thrillin_Chillin_Drillin
4 ай бұрын
Mega Cacturne in Legends Z-A 🤞
@mattyfarber7751
2 ай бұрын
Is there a pokemon game with this style of battle ? I really enjoy this animation
@Bo0kwurmLL
26 күн бұрын
Go Cacturne! I’ve always loved cacturne
@sammicoporsammicopor
2 ай бұрын
I really have no clue what is being discussed. The last pokemon game I played was gold/silver & I remember being excited to finally run into legendaries & shineys.
@yosh9192
4 ай бұрын
I love how you can tell the vast majority of kids in this comments section have never even played or even looked at gen 3 ou. “WhY nOt BaN TtAr!!!??1!” Read the strategy dex pages. It litera says “basic reading comprehension is required to play this game” on every Pokemon game, please apply this skill to competitive as well.
@warbossonxy
2 ай бұрын
🤓
@a9a4m
2 ай бұрын
Bans like this are stupid. It's punishing someone for doing a good job. There was no cheating or exploits involved, just a masterful use of game mechanics.
@BrawlStars-gs4fi
4 ай бұрын
Shiftry also has Cacturbes typing
@OtisCluck
4 ай бұрын
But it doesn’t have sand veil, which was what got banned
@BrawlStars-gs4fi
4 ай бұрын
@@OtisCluck yeah I know but I said it only for the corrction
@Marcothy_
4 ай бұрын
This is insane
@1414walla
3 ай бұрын
oh yeah the only time i played online battles.
@alexanderelderhorst2107
26 күн бұрын
He can freely setup spikes in front of rapid spin claydol... so apparently the equivalent of a single minimize makes it a guarunteed miss now? Literally 3/4 rapid spins will hit and moves like minimize are allowed up to 3 uses (and double team too which is weird cause it's only a plus 1). They really salty about a 1/4 chance for using up an entire ability... smogon is not the official rules it's just a set for people who don't know how to play pokemon properly so they can avoid anything outside of the top 10 used mons. Using your favourites? NO use OUR favourites.
@optionfinder
4 ай бұрын
One of my fav mons I love this guy
@nearlawliet4468
4 ай бұрын
Cacturne was blessed by the sands of time.
@ZilNab
3 ай бұрын
I've never played the games, is there set ups like this worth exploring in game or is it all just PvP stuff?
@anthonygriffin4999
2 ай бұрын
I wasn't allowed my sand veil double team Garchomp online in gen 5
@bakonandsonicfamily2930
4 ай бұрын
Now, we have Darkrai with Bad Dreams that’s completely unusable lmao
@lolbp4200
2 ай бұрын
Sand veil and bright powder op af
@bluecanine3374
4 ай бұрын
Wonder how effective it would be if it used Double Team amd Sand Attack along with Substitute and Leech Seed. Just pure stall strats and chip damage
@StudyMusicAssist
3 ай бұрын
Evasion should've never been fucking made. For other players. Only i should get to use it.
@dequanandrews8972
3 ай бұрын
This make no sense to ban pokemon or anything for doing there job to well this the real world u do your job to great and they kick u out
@alexvergara479
4 ай бұрын
Please make vedios of battles with this!!
@ToshisGarden
4 ай бұрын
What does "OU" stand for?
@Naustrix
4 ай бұрын
That’s crazy man people thought cacturn was tier 3 before now it’s banned (I haven’t played adv in 4 months)
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